Ancient Hmong Writing System (Part 1 of 7)

[maithao003]

where can i get more infomation on this there a book that i can buy????

[QiLuHmongHeritage]

looks exactly like the Nvwa/Fuxi aphabet.

[TheHmongIdentity]

@QiLuHmongHeritage Interesting, I didn't know about the Fuxi alphabet until now. Hmong elders say we preserved this language since the great flood. I noticed the Fuxi have a similar claim. Thanks for sharing, definitely worth looking into.

[QiLuHmongHeritage]

@TheHmongIdentity yes..Hmong people are the descendants of Nvwa and Fuxi.

[4heavens]

I can read these now...well most of them? like 95% of them

[Laajkham]

Kuv pum qhov nuav tsi ntev lug nuav xib. Qhov zoo tshaaj plawg yog tuab tug tsaj ntawv has tau lug Moob leeg hab Moob dlawb tuab si. Kuv nyam kawg.

[AwesomeMaryy]

believe it.. my dad used to write it when i was young.. he says it is.. SOME ELDERS CAN WRITE THIS!!

[jephboy]

I questioned this last night, but I take it back. I had an epiphany on the toilet just 15 mins ago. Seriously, no joking. Why did the elders say to us younger folks go "rau siab kawm ntawv kawm dawb (losyog kawm ntawv dawb)". In English, this means "be persistent and go to school". Literally, it means "be persistent learn cloth and letters". My realization on the toilet is that indeed... our language hides the secret that has evaded researchers: our language truly is in our cloth!!!!

[InfamousTroller]

Wow it sorta looks like a type of Egyptian hieroglyphic and Chinese symbols put together? Lol

[song151]

where can i buy the book??...or learn this writing system??...i would really want to keep this tradition in our people..

[maivkiabxyooj]

how does the narrator/researcher know what the symbol stands for???

btw.. interesting. i like. =D

[TheHmongIdentity]

Same reason why some people know that the word Hmoob derives from the word hmoov/moov. Not everyone knows, but those who do learned it from others and so on.

[4heavens]

this is not hard to learn at all...well at first yeah its confusing and all but after viewing it over n over its ez.... im aready half way threw learning it

[TheHmongIdentity]

The elders say those of us who has the heart to learn as quickly as you do also has the heart to lead the others.

[zhengqin]

Granted yes, sewing is apart of the Hmong tradition but I would say its dangerous to accept a script, thoery, history, etc... so easily without rigorous study.

Putting academics aside, I fail to see this script as legitimate. Seems like someone just picked out hmong designs and assigned vowels n conconents to them. can you give me further evidence that this is not what happened?

[TheHmongIdentity]

Sure, you'd have to see it for yourself. Don't exactly have the time to upload it. My job is to share it with the masses, based on my limited time on the internet I'd recommend you see it in person. Isn't that what everyone prefers now a days, seeing stuff with their own eyes? I've always preferred this as truth.

[zhengqin]

i find this script quite impractical when it comes to actual application and writing. another qualm i have with this system is who actually decided whatever hmong symbol meant whatever consonant or vowel? from what i can tell a male "rediscovered" this writing system, right? but aren't the women the ones who sew the designs? anyhoo, just my two cents.. HmgIdentity maybe you can answer.

[TheHmongIdentity]

It's an ancient tradition so for today's standards it's probably a bit old that's why the elders say it's great for history but let the people decide our future. The women usually sew, correct. It was a unified effort and still is. Feel free to help out, too many things yet need work to help the youth come to better understand it.

I don't have further details, the cultural gap as a Hmong-American is already tough enough, to link modern and ancient makes it even more challenging.

[Shuzanne]

Dang.Hmong writing looks really cool :DD

[TheHmongIdentity]

Thank you. Our history records that the word Hmong means human being, so technically many of these characters can relate to other cultures as well. =)

[Shuzanne]

lol no problem.

I read in the book(about hmongs,laotians,etc.)

that hmong meant man,but i guess it's pretty similar?

[TheHmongIdentity]

Yeah, the word Hmong means human being. In some Western books they write about the Hmong as "the Mon". Hmoob = Human. Hmoov = Dust. Moov = Chewing. Moo = Time/Watch. Moos = The Plains, a City. By simply changing the tone of the word, the definition changes but all the definitions are usually related in a poetic form. This was how the Hmong language was designed.

Our story of antiquity, the beginning of mankind, talks about how we came from Hmoov (out of dust, out of luck, out of chance).

[qhuaglis]

i'm trying to learn this new writing system but i'm a bit confuse. does the character represent a vocabulary or a consonant like the niam ntawv, vowel or the tone?

If it presents a word, there's still so much more to learn!! but please tell me because i'm really interested.

[song151]

can you send me the booklet??

[princeyami]

What is the history on this? Who's the creator? Is there any literature written in this script?

[TheHmongIdentity]

The history is that mankind was once united and we did our best to keep as many symbols from the original writing. This is why many of these symbols are found in cultures all over the world.

[probabiliteegalzero]

It s not clear at all...

[TheHmongIdentity]

It's hard to understand, I know what you mean. I'm just doing my part in translating what the elder is saying since he doesn't know English.

[xiongch]

Can you send me a copy of your book?

Kevin

[legacyonetime]

so where do we buy this script?

[YangstaChix]

MY DADDY HELPED research hmong writing i think this hmoob xyooj guy taught him and he learned lots..he's passed away now though...i wanna learn badly and my brother knows it cause my dad taught him

[TheHmongIdentity]

There were several who knew, maybe more in China but we're all so scattered, so it's hard to keep in touch.

[XTruth]

this is awesome. now we are original.

[FangLYang]

most of the hmong youth out there, and even elders, can't even read and write the english written hmong language, hell some youth can't even speak it fluently, but this is cool, always something new to learn about my culture, would like more solid facts, but as for now keep up the good work.

[mandead10]

Hey my mom do pa dau..and she wants to learn how to read it...were can we find a place to study the pa dau words?

[TheHmongIdentity]

There's no official place to learn at the moment, she'll have to learn using these videos for now. or she can take private lessons from someone who can read and write it, they're located at various locations in the US. Just message me and I'll help you contact them.

[springingmelody]

if it haven't even been dug up then how could they already predict about it...hehee...well, i would easily believe in it too if my elder said so but when you ask these questions they wouldn't know how to answer. i'm just being curious...

[TheHmongIdentity]

It's good to ask these questions, that's how we'll eventually find the truth. The truth stands the test of time, it will stand after all the scrutiny, but in respects towards our elders and ancestors I'm helping preserve this writing system until we do find more proof.

What do you mean how did they predict about it? You mean how do they know about it? It's because it has been passed down from generation to generation.

Hope I answered your questions.

[changbrothers]

Since when this written was discovered? Is it really ancient Hmong written discovered in China? There's too many Hmongs that tried to come up with their own Hmong writing, and it's hard to know which one is the real one. If this was creat or found after 1975 then I would say that this is just another BS crap.

Until you can prove that this writing system is really the ancient and it belongs to the Hmong then I will start learning it.

This is different from "Ntawv Cob Fab" too.

[TheHmongIdentity]

Our elderly Hmong say it is, and I trust them. I seek the proof you seek too, as I mentione to others maybe in the future we can dig it up.

[springingmelody]

sorry but can you give us more prove please?

[TheHmongIdentity]

I assume you're talking about archaeological evidence? If so, you can either help us find it in the future, or wait until archaeologists do find it. Remember, the Terrcota Warriors sat underground for over 2000 years before modern civilization dug into it.

[jakesterzzzzz]

the evidence is in 1) hmong oral history and 2) hmong paj ntaub. hmong oral history clearly talks about having our own kingdom, writing system, legal system, etc.... all these are supported by ethnic han history. today, hmong paj ntaub is a form of steganography. yes, steganography, is a word, google it. someone who earns a ph.d. in cracking the hmong paj ntaub code will gain international fame and scientific immortality.

[beekyosuke]

I think I can crack it with the help of the chinese language and different hmong langauges.

[dashittt]

what proof do we have that this is real and not a hoax?

[TheHmongIdentity]

If you find the information on these videos hard to believe then I encourage you to learn the culture and history of the Hmong, because only then may you fully understand. We don't have a short version of a long story, we need to learn the details to fully understand what happened.

[sillykuv]

zoo sau tau Hmoob Leeg thiab dawb ua li cov ntawv nov puas sau tau cov kwvtij Hmoob nyob Suav teb cov lus thiab?

[TheHmongIdentity]

It applies to those of us who still speak Hmong, where ever we may live, China, US, SE Asia, Europe, Australia, and so on.

[paexou]

Cov ntawv no tawm thaum twg lawm? Ua cas tsis

muab coj los qhia rau peb Hmoob thaum peb cov

laus tsiv pem suav teb los, es niag no mam li

muab hai tswm tawm, ua rau Hmoob yuav tsis

nyiam kawm lawm, rau qhov Hmoob twb kawm pha xam

latin thiab Askiv tau zoo heev lawm.

[TheHmongIdentity]

The elder writes: Vim thaum ntawv tseem muaj txoj cai hais tias "suav hnov suav hlais nplaig, Hmoob hnov Hmoob tsoo puab tsaig" no los tswj Hmoob txoj kev kawm, Hmoob thiaj tau muab zwm coj los ua paj ntaub qauv laug lawm xwb thiab coj los zwm ua kwv txhiaj lus taum, dab neeg hais lawm xwb qhov lus no yeej tsis pub luag lwm haiv neeg paub li tsuas yog haiv neeg Hmoob thiaj li paub txog cov lus no lawm xwb ua tsaug koj nug.

[TheHmongIdentity]

Remember, when our ancestors fled from China into Southeast Asia, our future was still uncertain. For all they knew, we were gonna live in the mountains of SE Asia for a very long time. And then when the Americans came and asked for our help, all things changed.

It was then and now that we know we are in good hands, that's why it wasn't until today that you learn about this writing (if you didn't know about it sooner).

[samlorson]

Where can I learn this?

[TheHmongIdentity]

The elder recommends you to use these videos for now, we do not yet have a facility to teach it publicly. Our first goal is to spread its awareness and its direct cultural link to who we are as Hmong people.

[chaufly]

I appreciate this writing system more than the Pahawh. Do you know if there's an organization nor institution that preserved and teach this writing system? I would like to learn perhaps others would too.

[JoshCX]

Its good to know there was another hmong written language. Tabsi kuv xav tias cov ntawv hmoob Latin uas hniaj hnub no peb siv xwb tseem muaj coob tus tsi tau paub sau. Introduce another written would be impossible for us to keep up. Peb hmoob tsi vam meej li lwm hais neeg vim peb pheej ua tsi tau ib lub siab. Xus li ntawv hmoob no. Twb muaj li 2-3 yam lawm. xws li Ntawv hmoob Latin, ntawv hmoob cob fab, ntawv hmoob nplog, ntawv hmoob UCLA. Jux too many written language for one ethnic.

[TheHmongIdentity]

Whichever writing system the Hmong people choose is up to them. Our only goal is to preserve this writing system and its historical/cultural roots.

[springingmelody]

um..the thing is that too many people are saying that about their writing, nws tsis tshua zoo nkauj rau ntiaj teb saib...

[TheHmongIdentity]

A solid rock can stand the test of time, a hallow one will eventually collapse.

[springingmelody]

yes, i agree but sometimes they look to alike, we need to feel it so we know which one's which.

[TheHmongIdentity]

We just need to put it to the test so no one is mislead.

[Hmong2KY]

Koj twb yog hais lus Hmoob ua cas ntawm 1:42 koj tseen hais 4 los lus Blog (Ong Kan Sa Koun) no thiab, thov pab kho cov lus no es peb yuav tau kawm.

Ua tsaug.

[TheHmongIdentity]

"Ong Kan Sa Koun" txhais tau hais tias 'cov caj meem koom haiv'. Perhaps he was only using the Laotian words because he was addressing the many of us who knew them by that name.

[som3AZN]

yeah i really need to learn how to write in hmong,i only know a few words in hmong writing

[vangdiane]

Is this Tshuas Dawb? He came to Madison for a conference! i was very intriqued!

[TheHmongIdentity]

Yeah that's him narrating. A conference a few months ago at UW-Madison right? Missed it. =(

[vangdiane]

yeah. don't worry,we have lots more coming.

[txhuasijhawm]

thanks for sharing....