Threw out history Catholics have stood up for all groups suppressed? Are you kiddin, the Catholic Chruch has been the suppressor driving non-Catholic Native Americans in the late 1400's and early 1500's into a faith they rejected. And if these Natives denied to accept this faith as there own they were killed or tourchered. The story goes on with Catholics and there involvment with genocide, religious enforcement, and attempts for world domination. The Catholic Chruch home of the hypocrites.
@MrBowiekid There is not a church in the world that is free of guilt and can tell others to live well. Despite the sins of Catholics, we still urge the world to live righteously. Sure, Catholics have done terrible things in the past. You must understand that the mistakes are always condemned and we are openly willing to admit where we have committed human error. Don't let the sinners within take you from the Church, just as you don't allow Judas to take you from Christ.
By the way, I would like you to know that all types of legislative programs such as abortion regulation/prohibition are decided upon democratically. What is the point of democracy when it has the right to infringe on the fundamental principles the country was built on?
@clubsandwedge Your claim right/liberty right argument appears to be nonsense. Liberty is something claimed. Abortion takes a person's liberty altogether with death.
"Murder" is the unjust killing of a human. I only use the term "innocent" to the extent that the unborn child has not done anything warranting its death. "Right to life" means that a person must not be killed (excluding self-defense).
Abortion is not self defense because no life in is danger. Morality must supersede the consensus.
The more claim rights in a society, the less liberty rights. That's fundamental to any discussion here. You are the one who misunderstands things. The thing is, liberty implies volition. You cannot take liberty from an unborn child because it has no liberties. In fact it could be said that the older you get the greater your liberties become (usually). The life of the mother is in danger because she is forced to give birth and carry a child for 9 months. 'Unjust'?
@clubsandwedge That's nonsense. A sleeping person has no volition in his moment of slumber. Do we have liberty to kill him in his sleep? No, a mother's life is not endangered by carrying a child. That is a natural process. A threat to your life means that there is a high probability your life may be lost. I won't define "unjust" to its broadest extent, but suffice it to say that killing a person without proper warrant constitutes as an injustice.
The man in slumber is not considered a parasite by the man with the gun. They are independent of one another, whereas the rights of a foetus are the complete property of the mother since all of its rights are claims and it has no liberties until it is born when the bodies separate. Since liberties are proportional to will and hence maturity and a foetus is immature, it has no liberties. No free man may kill another. Force is violation of liberties, murder is forced termination of life.
@clubsandwedge What if the person in slumber is a 19 year-old boy who refuses to move out of his father's basement? By definition, the boy in slumber is a "parasite," dependent on his father. May the father proceed to shoot his child?
By the way, by definition, abortion is a claim right because it places on the child the responsibility to give up its life for the right of its mother.
Would you claim the right to kill an infant since it is immature? This seems a bit sick of you.
The idea that any principle of the American constitution could be violated was brought in with the idea of democracy. Thanks to democracy, you get to vote the liberty away from another joe. It is up to the individual to protect their own body and potential child. The mention of God in the constitution is only an allusion to volition. You may argue that a foetus is an organic thing, but it has not volition. So, then, do plants also have rights since they are organic and have no volition?
@clubsandwedge Look, this isn't that hard. If the unborn child deserves the right to life, then abortion is equivalent to murder. You might disagree with the premise (which in case we can shift the focus on that), but you cannot attack my reaction to what I perceive as mass murder. I think it is just to take away the "right" to murder.
I am not arguing that the child deserves the right to live because it has life or because it has organs. Rather, because the child is a human being!
Before we carry on, I'd like you to define, 'murder', 'innocent' (my definition includes volition), and 'right to life'. By our vague understanding of the third, does a person who has murdered another have the right to life? If so, why? This is a case of a liberty right being obstructed by a claim right. In a free society, there should be 0 claim rights and complete liberty rights. Since abortion is a liberty right, it should be legal. What type of rights is a foetus not permitted?
'Eye for an eye' is always justified once a person infringes on your rights. This is why the police say, 'you have the right to remain silent' when someone has disobeyed the law. Up until the start of the 20th century, murder was punishable by hanging or whatever means necessary. The very most you can call abortion is a form of manslaughter, because it is a form of self-defense, but even then a foetus does not have volition and so manslaughter is a silly term. This is why I ask for definitions.
What an amazing video! Thank You so much for taking such action in the pro-life movement! May God Bless you, and may your actions be seen by others as a moving experience that will change their hearts and as you said "vitalize" their spirits. Thank You!
Threw out history Catholics have stood up for all groups suppressed? Are you kiddin, the Catholic Chruch has been the suppressor driving non-Catholic Native Americans in the late 1400's and early 1500's into a faith they rejected. And if these Natives denied to accept this faith as there own they were killed or tourchered. The story goes on with Catholics and there involvment with genocide, religious enforcement, and attempts for world domination. The Catholic Chruch home of the hypocrites.
MrBowiekid 1 year ago
@MrBowiekid There is not a church in the world that is free of guilt and can tell others to live well. Despite the sins of Catholics, we still urge the world to live righteously. Sure, Catholics have done terrible things in the past. You must understand that the mistakes are always condemned and we are openly willing to admit where we have committed human error. Don't let the sinners within take you from the Church, just as you don't allow Judas to take you from Christ.
SeptemberCatholic18 1 year ago
By the way, I would like you to know that all types of legislative programs such as abortion regulation/prohibition are decided upon democratically. What is the point of democracy when it has the right to infringe on the fundamental principles the country was built on?
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
@clubsandwedge Your claim right/liberty right argument appears to be nonsense. Liberty is something claimed. Abortion takes a person's liberty altogether with death.
"Murder" is the unjust killing of a human. I only use the term "innocent" to the extent that the unborn child has not done anything warranting its death. "Right to life" means that a person must not be killed (excluding self-defense).
Abortion is not self defense because no life in is danger. Morality must supersede the consensus.
SeptemberCatholic18 1 year ago
@SeptemberCatholic18
The more claim rights in a society, the less liberty rights. That's fundamental to any discussion here. You are the one who misunderstands things. The thing is, liberty implies volition. You cannot take liberty from an unborn child because it has no liberties. In fact it could be said that the older you get the greater your liberties become (usually). The life of the mother is in danger because she is forced to give birth and carry a child for 9 months. 'Unjust'?
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
@clubsandwedge That's nonsense. A sleeping person has no volition in his moment of slumber. Do we have liberty to kill him in his sleep? No, a mother's life is not endangered by carrying a child. That is a natural process. A threat to your life means that there is a high probability your life may be lost. I won't define "unjust" to its broadest extent, but suffice it to say that killing a person without proper warrant constitutes as an injustice.
SeptemberCatholic18 1 year ago
The man in slumber is not considered a parasite by the man with the gun. They are independent of one another, whereas the rights of a foetus are the complete property of the mother since all of its rights are claims and it has no liberties until it is born when the bodies separate. Since liberties are proportional to will and hence maturity and a foetus is immature, it has no liberties. No free man may kill another. Force is violation of liberties, murder is forced termination of life.
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
@clubsandwedge What if the person in slumber is a 19 year-old boy who refuses to move out of his father's basement? By definition, the boy in slumber is a "parasite," dependent on his father. May the father proceed to shoot his child?
By the way, by definition, abortion is a claim right because it places on the child the responsibility to give up its life for the right of its mother.
Would you claim the right to kill an infant since it is immature? This seems a bit sick of you.
SeptemberCatholic18 1 year ago
I agree that morality must supersede the consensus. That is why we have rights.
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
The idea that any principle of the American constitution could be violated was brought in with the idea of democracy. Thanks to democracy, you get to vote the liberty away from another joe. It is up to the individual to protect their own body and potential child. The mention of God in the constitution is only an allusion to volition. You may argue that a foetus is an organic thing, but it has not volition. So, then, do plants also have rights since they are organic and have no volition?
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
@clubsandwedge Look, this isn't that hard. If the unborn child deserves the right to life, then abortion is equivalent to murder. You might disagree with the premise (which in case we can shift the focus on that), but you cannot attack my reaction to what I perceive as mass murder. I think it is just to take away the "right" to murder.
I am not arguing that the child deserves the right to live because it has life or because it has organs. Rather, because the child is a human being!
SeptemberCatholic18 1 year ago
Before we carry on, I'd like you to define, 'murder', 'innocent' (my definition includes volition), and 'right to life'. By our vague understanding of the third, does a person who has murdered another have the right to life? If so, why? This is a case of a liberty right being obstructed by a claim right. In a free society, there should be 0 claim rights and complete liberty rights. Since abortion is a liberty right, it should be legal. What type of rights is a foetus not permitted?
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
'Eye for an eye' is always justified once a person infringes on your rights. This is why the police say, 'you have the right to remain silent' when someone has disobeyed the law. Up until the start of the 20th century, murder was punishable by hanging or whatever means necessary. The very most you can call abortion is a form of manslaughter, because it is a form of self-defense, but even then a foetus does not have volition and so manslaughter is a silly term. This is why I ask for definitions.
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
What an amazing video! Thank You so much for taking such action in the pro-life movement! May God Bless you, and may your actions be seen by others as a moving experience that will change their hearts and as you said "vitalize" their spirits. Thank You!
silvamom05 2 years ago
Thank you so much. You should see the DC march video; that one was way bigger! God bless.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
You are a true blessing!! Thank you for posting this video!!!
pamperedroze 2 years ago
If I don't post it, who will? The media? Do you realize how little coverage the pro-life movement gets?
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
well i'm not an american so i can't join you people on one of these marches, but good luck anyway. God bless.
Radfahrer1985 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this Sergio
Naturalhit 2 years ago 2
Very heartwarming. Thank you for posting.
hymnsinger5 2 years ago
Our church is going to one in Washington, DC on January 22nd. I really want to go, but I have a Confirmation retreat that day.
hymnsinger5 2 years ago
Too bad. I'm going there the same day. I could have possibly met you. I'll post another video of the D.C. march when I get back.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
Thanks! I hope to go to one someday. It would be better though if abortion wasn't legal, though.
hymnsinger5 2 years ago
where have i heard this song before
WizArdOZfan42 2 years ago
Haha, yup. We sang that song for Mass on that day so I felt it was appropriate.
SeptemberCatholic18 2 years ago
its one of my favorite
WizArdOZfan42 2 years ago
The End of Abortion will be the rebirth of America
grekito 2 years ago 4
So true!
hymnsinger5 2 years ago 2
never give up!
god bless
sophophilo 2 years ago 2