well, since everyone is talking about the ping noise, i must say, it is audible when you are standing directly behind the shooter (or anywhere else within about 10 feet). i have 3 videos up of my friend and i shooting, and you can clearly hear it, but i dont think that it would have mattered in combat, due to so many other noises (bombs, bullets, screaming)
and about the m1 thumb, the key is to use the edge of your right palm to hold the op rod back, while using the thumb to release the action.
also why would somebody jump out of cover and start shooting when they hear a ping, there is other soldiers with him that have loaded guns ready to shoot
ive heard though, that in the pacific theater, soldiers would reload and then take empty clips and throw several on the ground in rapid succession to trick the enemy into advancing. the soldiers would start shooting as the unaware enemies walked into the trap.
@112ALONE Well theres only a couple documented cases of that, it quickly failed because the enemy didnt care if a couple soldiers in a platoon was out, advancing is still death. Plus if it was in a firefight, you wouldnt hear that tiny sound anyways in constrast to all the gunfire, and if you happened to be fighting on a soft ground surface, it'd muffle it completely, even the shooter would be hard pressed to hear it.
its most likely true being ive heard of it as well. Stranger things have happened like the one Airborne soldier who shot a Zero down with his 1911 while suspended in air parachute open. While not killing the plane itself, they did find the Zero which had one hole through the glass right into the skull of the Zero pilot.
How the fuck did the SWAT/clearing houses angle come in? To begin with, can anyone guess how the houses in a battlefield look like? A lot of shit was on the floors, destroyed furniture, etc. Second, try firing those old high powered rifles in enclosed spaces like a house. You'll be semi deaf after two shots, meaning you won't hear a pling after more than eight. And third, does anyone really think that the GIs cleared houses/rooms like SWAT? Heck no, everyone back then threw grenades instead.
@benthenoobernator Point there, though grenades were still prefered for obvious reasons if there was reason to believe enemy troops occupied a room. And it doesn't change the fact that the room clearing/SWAT angle on the Garand is fucking retarded CoD shit.
@truffyt no doubt about it. as great as the M1 is, its way to large to use in clearing a room, and by the time youve got it on target, you could have been shot. like you said, grenades were the main thing used when clearing rooms, just watch band of brothers or saving private ryan.
All these people who complain about people talking about the ping of the clip not being a disadvantage have obviously never seen a rifle outside of a movie or video game. fucking retards.
im going to uplaod a vid of my m1 tommorow. jsut to show you that when you are fireing it, the bang is so loud you cnat hear the ping, all you hear is a ringing from the 7 rounds before it.
really, the 1m is the loudest rilfe i have ever shot. first tiem i shot it everyone looked and went "what the fuck type of canon are you shooting?"
In my opinion, the M-1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised.
However, my admiration for Ordnance products does not stop with the M-1 Rifle.
Our machine guns, mortars, artillery, and tanks are without equal on the battlefields of the world. In the hands of the unconquerable veterans now composing our armies, the utter destructrion of the armed forces of our enemies is certain.
@ChrisTheChronic As much as I agree regarding the Garand, I had never heard the quote in its entirety before. Wow, our "tanks" are without equal? Was he paying attention at all when the shells from his Shermans were bouncing off of Tigers' armor??
People seriously? Unless you were on the battlefields of Europe and Japen instead of on wikipedia then chill out about peoples comments! Yes the tactic isnt that helpful with dozens of other guns shooting, but American commandos in Burma and places like that would use it.
The whole clip ping advantage/disadvantage thing is so unbelievably overrated. In real combat with hundreds of rifles, grenades, mortars, tanks, and artillery going on, there is NO WAY that you can hear the ping of the Rifle. NO WAY. And even if you do some how miraculously hear the ping of the M1, that doesn't mean stick your head up and fire, because that doesn't mean all of his buddies are reloading too. All of you people who buy into this fake story are completely ignorant fools.
@sethboy66 I have, and the percent are 1 in 50 died because of the sound, the rest were killed because of the uniform they wore, and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The numbers are so miniscule its not really worth nothing. More people died using bolt action rifles, due to the pause after each shot, they were shot while cycling the bolt. Box magazine weapons like the Thompson, BAR and MP-40 were also flawed, because the enemy sees you take the mag out and scrounge for another..
@sethboy66 From the German veterans testimony in combat 100-400 yards, the ping is of couse impossible to hear, in close urban comat, the combt is so fast moving and chaotic, that they didnt have time to stop, and go investigate an area because they may have heard something that might have been a clip hitting the ground. Theres just no time, and even if you see the clip eject, thats no reason to charge, since you'll be killed by the other 2 or so guys.
@sethboy66 No American or German veteran I've talked to said they "always used the ping to their advantage", It may have gotten a smal fraction of a percent killed in house to house fighting when outnumbered and alone, but the odds of that happening are little to nil. At my reenactments I fight on the German and American sides, from the German pespective, I usually never hear the ping from someone's rifle, never even crosses anyone's mind to try to listen for pings, it's just pointless.
@sethboy66 When fighting on the American side, we never fear the clip sound, since the Germans hear them 99% of the time, theres pings going off all oer, and when you run out of ammo, you duck back behind solid cover, and theres always someone covering you since tactically you move in pairs of 3 or more. making it impossible for the enemy (even if they magically DID hear it) to zero in on your position, everyone's too preoccupied with fire and maneuver, instead of some little meaningless ping.
@sethboy66 Well thts funny, because only 416,800 Americans died in WWII and 219,600 died in Korea. You say 1.2 MILLION died JUST because of the ping?!?! Do SOME research before posting such crap.
Trowing an empty clip on the ground did NOT make the enemy "pop their head up" in reality, we all know 99% of the time its impossible to hear a tiny ping noise amist earth shattering noise of battle, in addition 1 ping means nothing, because the enemy knows its only 1 man thats out, not the other 20.
@sethboy66 Just beause the enemy heard a clip ejecting, either from a rifle or thrown on a rock, they're not going to react in a firefight, they know a single ping in meaningless, becuase the American who's out, will have instant covering fire, and he relocates or ducks behind cover again, making it near impossible to zero in on that specific sound, plus theres ping going off all over, theres no time for the enemy to go investigate on where a single clip ping came from, its pointless and suicide
@sethboy66 Not to say it didnt get people killed, because it did, but according to eyewitness testimony, and AARs for Europe and the Pacific, the numbers roughly come out to 1 in 50. More pople were killed using bolt action rifles than the M1, they were shot while cycling the bolt between each shot, while they were doing that, the enemy lind them up, and when they poped back up, they shot them.
@SchutzStaffel441 I have an M! and it pings loudly. Did make a difference in combat, I don't know, You would have to be foxhole close to tell. But, it does PING.
@dddd4444666 During my re enactments I cant hear the ping sounds of the clips, the combat noise is just too loud, and the sound is just to small. I can tell from experience re enacting WWII combat as both American and German, using the ping to kill the enemy is pretty much useless all the time. Combat is just way too fast, and loud, and theres pings going off everywhere.
@bsrman36 Why not make a video of the clip ejecting from the rifle on grass or dirt at 200 yards (typical engaging distance for WWII infantry), prove how completely pointless it is to try to listen for it in a combat situation.
@LoneWolf051 I'm pretty sure he was trying to agree with your point but whatever. Even if 200 yards was typical engagement range, that doesn't mean it happened all the time. Plus WW2 was not the only war that the M1 saw action in. In Vietnam, many engagements were really ambushes made by the Vietcong in the dense jungle environment which they knew better than the US. In such guerrilla tactics, engagements can happen at much closer ranges where the M1's ping may be a lot more audible.
@mauiboynokaoi The Vietcong alo used alot of Garands captured from Korea. Its true the ping noise did lead to fatal consequences for some soldiers who carried it, but the way everyone lists is as its "fatal flaw" is so overrated, to actually be in th position to use the ping against the American, things had to be just right, you had to be extremely close (almost within feet of the enemy) he has to be alone, or has to be standing in the open (so he cant duck back behind cover), very rare indeed..
@mauiboynokaoi Not saying it never happened, because it did, but not even close to the extent that most people think, they think that like 9 in 10 will die just because of the sound, which is totally false, on record it was more like 1 in 50 in regular combat, and 10 in 50 in close combat. Whats funny is that nobody mentions how the Americans used the German's Mauser rifles against them nearly ALL the time, wait for them to shoot, then aim where they'll pop back up, and when they do, you get him
@mauiboynokaoi Even in close combat,. if the American has just 1 buddy covering him, the ping sound is invalid, because theres constant cover fire. What are the odds everyone will be out of ammo simultaniously? for every soldier that ran out, another 4 or 5 were still shooting, its constant suppressing fire.
The enemy wasnt stupid, just because 1 or 2 guys in 7 or 8 is out, you'll still die instantly, theres no records of the enemy making assaults because of 1 enemy in a group 8 or 10 is out.
@mauiboynokaoi As I said, even in close combat, especially 1 on 1, if the German had his bolt action and the American has his M1, the German would likely die first, since the American would wait for him to shoot, then kill him as he cycles his bolt, theres tons of written records and accounts of that happening. Even at close range 1 on 1, the American still has 5 opportunities (not to mention the German's reload) to kill him, the German only has 1 try with the ping, and he has to be very close.
@LoneWolf051 As a rifle at the time, the M1 really didn't have a fatal flaw (except maybe the occasional offset cartridge in the clip causing a misfire). Regardless I don't think it's fair to compare the Mauser K98 to the Garand. As you said, one is a bolt action and the other is semi. I personally think the Garand should be compared the German G43 rifle due to them both having semi-auto capabilities in which I think the G43 takes the prize in all terms but cost.
@mauiboynokaoi The G43 was one of the poorer semi auto rifles to serve in the war, it had many mechanical problems, accuracy issues at long range due to poorly made parts, it was much more complicated than the Garand, parts that wore out quickly, scarce replacement parts, and its leaf sights didnt have as good a sight picture as the Garand. The G-43 didnt have any edge over the Garand, it was meant to compete with the SVT 40, and did ok, but still wasnt up to par, so it was issued to snipers ect
@mauiboynokaoi The Gewehr 43 was a decent rifle, good accuracy at medium range, and great stopping power, but had many problems, in addition to what I said above, it also had an exposed extracter spring, dirt clogged it constantly, causing feed problems, and extracting problems, the magazines were made of poor, flimsy stamped steel which was bent rather easily if stepped on or crushed, which is why it was encouraged to use 2 stripper clips instead. Most Germans prefered the K98 or scavenged M1s
@mauiboynokaoi The G-43 (aswell as the SVT 40) also had trouble adapting to extreme changes in temperature and moisture, the M1 had no such problems (except the grease gumming up in freezing conditions) The G-43 was a rifle that really needed to be babied and nutrured, which is why they were issued mainly to snipers and demolition engineers. The G43 was not the favorite of the German foot soldier, which is why they were only issued to 2 rifles per platoon, it was not the best semi auto system.
@LoneWolf051 Accuracy issues at long range? It was more accurate than the Garand except late-war when pretty much every German piece of equipment was made of poor quality (A Tiger 2's turret armor could be penetrated by a relatively small caliber AT gun due to poorer quality steel). And yes the G43 needed to be well maintained and had issues in adverse conditions but so does the modern M16 rifle yet people still consider it one of the best rifles in the world.
@LoneWolf051 And this is where ping comes into play. When you're up against an enemy with 20 rounds while you only have 8, it's very possible to run out of ammo in a situation where you'd need it most and even if the ping is only heard by 10/50 enemies, that's still 20% of the soldiers out there. Considering the scale of WW2, that's actually a pretty large amount of soldiers. Basically the ping wasn't the only "flaw" in the rifle, but the garand's cheapness and reliability made it the better.
@mauiboynokaoi The only total flaw (the ping is a semi-flaw, since it was typically useless in battle and only worked in the conditions were just right) was the fact that the magazine only accepted clips. With bolt action rifles, single rounds can be added into the magazine without a stripper clip, the Garand required a clip in order to load the rifle, single rounds can be used in the Garand, but only to top-off while a clip is inserted.
@LoneWolf051 You're going to tell me that just because 2 weapons face off against each other they can be compared? next you'll be telling me you can compare Spanish cannons and muskets to Aztec wood-obsidian just because they went up against each other. They can't be compared because they're 2 very different weapons and just because they saw action with each other doesn't mean they were designed to do the same things.
@mauiboynokaoi Well if you compare the Garand to the G43, the M1 still wins, its cheaper, much more reliable, simple, robust, less recoil, better sights, faster reloding, ect. And the G-43 was tested by the Allies in 1943, and its maximum effective range was about 500-600 yards, the Garand reached out accuractly out to 700-800 yards, its because the machining proscess of the barrels and receiver design of the Garand is much more solid, and was developed and fine tuned over the course of 25 years
@mauiboynokaoi Remember the G43 began production in mid 1943, at that time the allied bombing raids on German factories were at an all time high, materials were being rapidly used in "priority" machines like tanks, aircraft, ships, U boats, ect. smallarms were laregly made of shotty wood, and stamped steel, like the MG-42 and MP-40. So the G43 wasnt at the top of the list, it was already not favored by the German high command or the troops, plus it was very expensive and complicated to make.
@LoneWolf051 What are your sources for effective range? Almost every source I found states the Garand's effective range to be around 400-500 yards with <5 inch grouping. If this is true, the G43 outclasses the Garand with an effective range of around 500 yards. As for the G43 not being at the top of the list, remember that Hitler was in charge of everything in the regime at the time. To Hitler the idea of a jet propelled interceptor was ludicrous.
@LoneWolf051 He also imagined a firearm firing intermediate rounds to be pointless as bolt action carbines and machine pistols together could handle almost any situation. This is the same man who thought that a massive 80cm railway cannon was a good investment while air superiority was not. So just because a gun wasn't mass produced/favored doesn't make it bad. It could just be really expensive (WA2000) or impractical for use in harsh conditions (AR15).
@mauiboynokaoi The range finding were from my own testing with my rifles, both had scopes to ensure the maximum range was utilized at 800 yards, I got 6 1/2 t 7 inch groupings with the M1, and with my G-43 at 800 yards I got groupings of around 6-10 inches. So its not by a whole wide margin, but the M1 is noticably more accurate, but then again, most G43s had scopes and a shooter with an unscoped M1 can really only focus on target out to 500 yards, eventhough the rifle itself will do much more.
@mauiboynokaoi The M1 can also focus at longr range targets than rifles rifles leaf sights, since the M1's peep sight slightly sharpens you vision and allows you to focus on long distance targets more easily, better sight picture. Hitler really didnt know how to utilize modern technology, he had a lot of new weapons avalible to him, like the jet, assault rifles, semi auto rifles, though the G41 was rushed, and the G43 was an improvement on a rushed design, so both werent 1st class systems.
@LoneWolf051 Couldn't the Garand be fitted with a scope attachment as well? I'm rather sure I've seen some M1 scope mounts around online. And regarding rushed designs, the BAR was also a "rushed" design but it was still a very good gun. The only real disadvantage I could see was its weight but disregarding that, it served as a great general purpose gun to accompany the M1 Garand. Also you mention reload time but the G43 had more than twice the capacity of the Garand.
@mauiboynokaoi The G43 only had 2 more rounds than the Garand,the M1 has 8, the G43 has 10. The BAR A1 model was rushed, and didnt perform as good as the later A2 and A3 models, however, the BAR was developed in the US, without the threat of th Browning and Colt factories being bombed, or overran by enemy troops, it was in complete peace, and had all the resources widely avalible, the BAR design was originally drawn up in 1915, and was worked on until it was needed in 1918, after the war....
@mauiboynokaoi The BAR continued where it left off before the war, it continued being experimented with and added to and improved, up unti the final A2 and A3. The BAR's only problems were it lacked a quick change barrel, was heavy, and had delicate tin metal magazines.
In my range and accuracy tests, I set up the rifles on an automatic firing rig, each rifle was perfectly lined up on the target boards, this was to eliminate any human interferance during the tests, to get the best results
@LoneWolf051 From what I've seen, the G43 had 4 different magazines of varying capacities. There was the standard 10 round mag, the "chopped" 5 round mag, the extended 10 round mag, and the adopted "Dreyse" mag from the MG13 with 25 rounds. The garand could only accept 8 round en bloc clips restricting it to no more than 8 rounds. As for the BAR, it was designed in 1918 by John Browning in only 3 months. 3 months sounds "rushed" to me.
@mauiboynokaoi The 10 round magazine was the only varient that saw active use in combat, the rest were experimentals. The BAR was introduced and entered service in 1918, but it was being developed since 1915.
@mauiboynokaoi I heard it from a documentary, and at a few museums, John Browning started drawing up its blueprints in 1915 after he had an idea of a machine gun that could be carried by a single man, and could be used to assault trenches with, the government was interested, but not enthusiastic about it, since they didnt want to get involved with the war, they allowed Browning to develop a few prototypes and by 1918 a workable weapon was ready, by that time the US had officially entered the war
@LoneWolf051 OK so he was designing a light machine gun. Does it say anything about him designing the specific M1918 action? As far as I can see, the actual design was drawn up in 1918 but the dimension restrictions etc. were the only part in the works before the action itself was designed. Else why would other documentaries claim the M1918 to have been "designed in 3 months"?
@mauiboynokaoi Idont know, it said "Browing Light Machine Gun" now that MAY be the M1919. What I heard was Browning had already been tinkering around with the BAR concept and layout for a few YEARS (could've been a typo?) when the military approched them looking for an automatic rifle able to be carried by 1 man, Browning said they had already been working on a few automatic weapons to fit that bill, and after 3 more months they presented the finalized BAR in February 1918.
@LoneWolf051 I suppose I'll have to look into that more. The main reason I praised the BAR as a genius gun was because I was under the impression it was designed in 3 months but now I'll have to research this more. Still according to this browning*com / library / infonews / detail*asp?id=245 (replace * with . ) among other sources, I've heard 3 months.
@mauiboynokaoi Yeah it seems theres some varying sources on exactly when it was designed, but it it was 3 months, then thats incredible engineering right there.
@LoneWolf051 I know right? Especially after watching the principle of operation video. Then again this was the guy who designed the M1911. If only we had people like John Browning designing firearms for the US today.
@LoneWolf051 As for your rifle tests, how long have you been firing each rifle? It could be possible that you were more comfortable with your Garand if you have been using it considerably longer than you have your G43.
@SchutzStaffel441 Not every skirmish involved hundreds of rifles and mortars. Some encounters were small detachments (mostly recon) who encounter one another. With a squad of only around a dozen men (perhaps less if you were airborne), it's very possible to hear the ping of the M1. And even if all his buddies aren't reloading, at least it means one less chance of you getting shot. You act like every engagement in war was D-Day and that Axis soldiers never fired back at all.
@SchutzStaffel441 Yeah, but what if you're trying to attack by sneaking by? you're not going to be shrouded by a hail of explosions all the time, so its still important if you can make as little sound as posible.
you would be screwed if you used this as the SWAT, with the thing being heard from potentially the whole of the building.
@LoneWolf051 A tiny ping? are you going deaf? that is fucking loud. Think about If it was a nightime mission when sound travels faster, you'd hear across the other end of a forest.
besides, that's why I mentioned SWAT's, perhaps more appropriete would be some form of Special Forces. Do you REALLY think that soldiers are going to be shooting ALL THE TIME? Don't you think the Germans would stop shooting if it was helping people sneak by even with huge clunky pieces of shit like the M1 Garand?
@Wombleonastick hi there from your comment i can tell you have never fire a gun before, you should go sometime, so you can hear how loud a real gun is.
@Wombleonastick Seriously, I've owned my Garand for the last 19 years, and you clearly have no clue about M1s, the clip ejects the instant the shot is fired (heard), completely drowning out the sound of the clip, the ONLY time you'd be able to hear it, is when it hits the ground, and if your shooting on grass, dirt, sand, leaves, ect, it makes no sound (muffled). Watch some videos of M1s being fired outdoors of grass, dirt, ect. listen to how quiet the clip is. Practically impossible to hear.
@Wombleonastick Yes, a "tiny" ping is correct, it's well known among me and my fellow firearms experts, here, let me educate you a bit on this...
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Not exactly what I'd call audible, in a REAL combat situation, I'm pretty certain the enemy would become aware to your position once the first GUNSHOT is fired. That why the ping sound in reality was not a problem 99.999% of the time, and why the Garand was the finest rifle of WWII.
@SchutzStaffel441 hm.. I guess you have been playing Call of Duty?.. because In ww2 they didn't go as a platoon or a batallion, they went out more as squads so there wasn't fire all the time.. but I see what you mean. .
@SchutzStaffel441 I take it that you've actually been in combat with an M1 rifle? If it's all the same to you, I'd rather go by witness accounts of actual World War II and Korean War veterans.
@GregHuismans It depends where you're at, if youre outside, and on grass,ect. its impossible to hear, if you're clearing out a building room by room, then its a problem,but then again if you have a friend with you, the Germans will likely not use it against you, since theres still another armed soldier with you, so the ping is invalid. Unless(in the rare occasion) you're alone clearing a house, the sound may be deadly, then again the Germans may not know your alone and use the sound to run away.
@SchutzStaffel441 These stories are usually from people who have never handled let alone fired a garand. It is a truly smooth and sleek battle rifle (in some ways more so than an AR15). Reloading it was so quick and intuitive that within an hour of the very first time I fired this rifle, I can reload before the ejected clip even hits the ground. So I highly doubt a highly trained soldier would give the enemy enough time to even react to the garand "ping."
I can believe it is a common held belief, at least for a time, everyone under fire or in combat is in adrenaline rush, shooting fast, seems likely at least somewhat that if one is out maybe all are. Better than just sticking your head out, in theory
@SchutzStaffel441 going against a single man in a pop shots mini conflict it works, by throwing a used clip, there is a chance they heard, and are going for the kill allow you to kill them being already set up!
@SchutzStaffel441 actually its taken from close quarter combat, in urban warfare some soldiers are alone in combat and when your fighting and empty your clip in close combat they can really hear it, its like the safe click in the AK47, not everything in war its crazy shooting and bombardment, there were also assault movements
Instructions for those who don't know: When pushing the catch down that releases the bolt forward hold the side of ur right hand down against the handle of the slide. Make sure its firm, then hold the bolt in place while u lift ur thumb out and then release.
I have been in numerous ww2 battle reenactments with M1 Garands around me and also often firing an M1 if not my M1903 Springfield. Let me tell u that its hard enough to hear the ping of ur own empty clip over weapons fire let alnoe someone else's empty clip; especially over automatic fire. Tricking the enemy with a fake ping as with many things told about ww2 is most likley a total myth or maybe happened once. and why wuld u drop ur aim just to do this when u could just flank the SOB
you know what i think is funny? has anybody ever gone to a shooting range full of people and tried to hear the Garands ping over all the gunfire? its not exactly the loudest thing in the world and you dont even really hear it to well if you hear it at all. and before anybody complains that i dont know what im talking about i actually own one of these rifles and i have shot it many times, you can hear it when theres not to much noise but in combat when is it ever quiet? :p
situation: you dont hav good reflexes you hav an m1 garand.(get it?) you run out of ammo you want to reload.... (you can fill in the rest by yourself)
The Garand will NOT sever your thumb or any other finger. It may break your pinky though, other wise it just hurts like a mother-fucker and will probably be black and blue.
lol some Americans Soldier lost their Finger because of M1 Garand Reloading......go Watch Band Brothers and the part where some guy called Blythe lost his Finger when he reloads his gun!
@luftwaffe789456123 U won't loose ur finger from jamming it in the M1. But it flippin hurts. One of mates managed to do it to himself during a battle reenactment. His thumb just bruised. And blythe never lost a finger in Band of Brothers.
The video would have been more true to its title if he actually caught his thumb. Sure it would hurt, but you gotta sacrifice a bit for a more interesting video.
I screamed when I saw the bolt close. Like the last episode of Seinfeld, my expectations have not been met and I'm calling this a fail. However, if he'd actually done it, it would have been EPIC WIN. Hmm... I have a Garand, but not a Garand thumb. I am also in possession of a digital camera with a video function. Should I do it for the lulz?
Frankly, the G43 is a piece of junk compared to the Garand. They had so many reliability and accuracy problems. The Garand was the best infantry rifle of WW2. The SVT-40 was also a good rifle, but not as well designed as the Garand was.
LMAO, not even, the Garand was much mre reliable, easier to mass produce (the Gewehr was never mass produced) the M1 was also much simpler, and user friendly. The G43 had a lot of jamming problems, somewhat delicate barrel, hard to mass produce, and towards the endof the war, they were rarely seen, and mostly used by snipers.
Oh jesus... I remember my first Garand... Had not the faintest idea how to load it, caught the bolt on the follower, pushed in the clip and smashed my thumb. Hurt like hell, but I never DID make that mistake again.
What I find so funny is that no one realizes that the "ping" was used to the allies advantage. You see, the ping noise was made by and empty clip, so a person would drop an empty clip, the enemy not knowing that the gun didn't eject it, would come up and one of the guys would shoot him.
There's no advantage in your weapon telling everyone you are out of ammo. It's great to throw empty clips around, but in a firefight you rarely have time to collect and throw clips around, sometimes you just got to shoot and keep the fire up or die. Purposely throwing clips means the enemy is going to rush en mass or do something drastic, loaded or not, that's not something you want.
@Mr2ndAmendment Too bad in the real combat the ping is impossible to hear in battle, and a single ping means 1 man is out, not the other 10 or 20 guys, the enemy isnt stupid, they wont "rush en mass" due to 1 man's rifle running out, they didnt hear it in combat, and if by magic they did, they ignored it.
I am not as convinced. Suppose you get attackeded by several enemies and it is just you or you and a buddy. The enemies we faced while using the Garand were not that stupid, if they have been receiving fire from one man and his rifle is out they will take advantage of it. Hearing the ping depends on distance and what it hits when it flies. Sometimes it can be heard, sometimes it can't. Soldiers will use brains to survive, don't underestimate this very serious flaw.
Obviously when a whole fire team or squad engages the enemy I seriously doubt the ping would ever be a problem but if it's just one or two guys this could be serious. Especially if one or two guys are laying down suppressing fire and the enemy blatant hears the ping when they run out. This kind of problem is the kind of problem rarely encountered but when it did happen it could be very serious.
@kuroganeki to get the actual noise the clip would need to eject, OR bash an empty clip on someone's helmet.This tactic is mostly a myth as there isnt always a nice lull in a firefight so u can play that kind of sound based trick
And you would bet your life on that ping? Well i would throw a grenade towards that "PING"... wouldnt stick my head out before it rains pieces of enemy
@kuroganeki The likleyhood of this actually happening on the battlefield is nonexsistant. Just because it was on TV doesn't mean it really happened. As with many stories/myths about ww2 this is probably a load of crap.
@kuroganeki You think the allies were just constantly throwing down en blocs the whole time to lure out the enemy? Sure it may have worked sometimes, but most of the time it was just an annoyance.
@kuroganeki: That and you get one person to burn through their ammo and get the ping. Then your buddies open up when the enemy thinks you are out of ammo and stick their head up.
@kuroganeki Sorry, that's a myth. You can't hear the ping over the sound over the last round firing, let alone when there are a number of other rifles firing too.
@kuroganeki Didn't they only start doing that during the Korean War though? My grandpa (Mom's side) was involved in that conflict, he mentioned the tactic a couple of times, but my other grandfather (on my Dad's side) didn't mention it at all in his stories.
@RocksNotDead101 Go to my profil, and watch the first video in my favorites list, listen to how loud the ping is/would be across the field to the enemy, then come back and tell me the ping is a "flaw"
well, since everyone is talking about the ping noise, i must say, it is audible when you are standing directly behind the shooter (or anywhere else within about 10 feet). i have 3 videos up of my friend and i shooting, and you can clearly hear it, but i dont think that it would have mattered in combat, due to so many other noises (bombs, bullets, screaming)
and about the m1 thumb, the key is to use the edge of your right palm to hold the op rod back, while using the thumb to release the action.
112ALONE 7 months ago 2
@112ALONE
also why would somebody jump out of cover and start shooting when they hear a ping, there is other soldiers with him that have loaded guns ready to shoot
Choncho203 6 months ago
@Choncho203 yeah, not worth the risk.
ive heard though, that in the pacific theater, soldiers would reload and then take empty clips and throw several on the ground in rapid succession to trick the enemy into advancing. the soldiers would start shooting as the unaware enemies walked into the trap.
sounds horrible, but i guess war, is war.
112ALONE 6 months ago
@112ALONE this is true
FPSCclanleader 5 months ago
@112ALONE I've heard that too.
Martyr9991 5 months ago
@112ALONE Well theres only a couple documented cases of that, it quickly failed because the enemy didnt care if a couple soldiers in a platoon was out, advancing is still death. Plus if it was in a firefight, you wouldnt hear that tiny sound anyways in constrast to all the gunfire, and if you happened to be fighting on a soft ground surface, it'd muffle it completely, even the shooter would be hard pressed to hear it.
LoneWolf051 4 months ago
@112ALONE Name the documented cases then.
omgwaffels96 2 weeks ago
@omgwaffels96
its most likely true being ive heard of it as well. Stranger things have happened like the one Airborne soldier who shot a Zero down with his 1911 while suspended in air parachute open. While not killing the plane itself, they did find the Zero which had one hole through the glass right into the skull of the Zero pilot.
nebraskapatriot01 1 week ago
How the fuck did the SWAT/clearing houses angle come in? To begin with, can anyone guess how the houses in a battlefield look like? A lot of shit was on the floors, destroyed furniture, etc. Second, try firing those old high powered rifles in enclosed spaces like a house. You'll be semi deaf after two shots, meaning you won't hear a pling after more than eight. And third, does anyone really think that the GIs cleared houses/rooms like SWAT? Heck no, everyone back then threw grenades instead.
truffyt 8 months ago
@truffyt ever heard of a bayonet or handgun?
benthenoobernator 7 months ago
@benthenoobernator Point there, though grenades were still prefered for obvious reasons if there was reason to believe enemy troops occupied a room. And it doesn't change the fact that the room clearing/SWAT angle on the Garand is fucking retarded CoD shit.
truffyt 7 months ago
@truffyt no doubt about it. as great as the M1 is, its way to large to use in clearing a room, and by the time youve got it on target, you could have been shot. like you said, grenades were the main thing used when clearing rooms, just watch band of brothers or saving private ryan.
112ALONE 5 months ago
i tak wac pocisne w cb
krztuszenie 8 months ago
dude you could catch rats with that thing.
HOPEFOR1MILLION 8 months ago
Crap, if you were a little slower, half of your thumb would be gone right now.
agfairsoftreviews 9 months ago
@8thman420 omg win
xhmaah 10 months ago
All these people who complain about people talking about the ping of the clip not being a disadvantage have obviously never seen a rifle outside of a movie or video game. fucking retards.
militarymuseumvol 1 year ago
Got me good the first time. It only took one time to teach me the lesson.
AlienZygote010 1 year ago
nice lockbars on that rifle
bsrman36 1 year ago
im going to uplaod a vid of my m1 tommorow. jsut to show you that when you are fireing it, the bang is so loud you cnat hear the ping, all you hear is a ringing from the 7 rounds before it.
really, the 1m is the loudest rilfe i have ever shot. first tiem i shot it everyone looked and went "what the fuck type of canon are you shooting?"
kainhall 1 year ago
lol this gun is like a mine u see u gotta hold or thumb if u let it it will hit ur thumb sry bad english :D
kiki0391 1 year ago
My dear General Campbell,
In my opinion, the M-1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised.
However, my admiration for Ordnance products does not stop with the M-1 Rifle.
Our machine guns, mortars, artillery, and tanks are without equal on the battlefields of the world. In the hands of the unconquerable veterans now composing our armies, the utter destructrion of the armed forces of our enemies is certain.
Truly yours,
G. S. Patton, JR.
Lieut. General, U. S. Army
ChrisTheChronic 1 year ago
@ChrisTheChronic As much as I agree regarding the Garand, I had never heard the quote in its entirety before. Wow, our "tanks" are without equal? Was he paying attention at all when the shells from his Shermans were bouncing off of Tigers' armor??
McGruff5150 1 year ago
People seriously? Unless you were on the battlefields of Europe and Japen instead of on wikipedia then chill out about peoples comments! Yes the tactic isnt that helpful with dozens of other guns shooting, but American commandos in Burma and places like that would use it.
DaBlackNinja1 1 year ago
The whole clip ping advantage/disadvantage thing is so unbelievably overrated. In real combat with hundreds of rifles, grenades, mortars, tanks, and artillery going on, there is NO WAY that you can hear the ping of the Rifle. NO WAY. And even if you do some how miraculously hear the ping of the M1, that doesn't mean stick your head up and fire, because that doesn't mean all of his buddies are reloading too. All of you people who buy into this fake story are completely ignorant fools.
SchutzStaffel441 1 year ago 40
@SchutzStaffel441 ask any gunsmith or vietnam vet and they will say many men lost there lives to the ping of the ejecting clip
sethboy66 1 year ago
@sethboy66 I have, and the percent are 1 in 50 died because of the sound, the rest were killed because of the uniform they wore, and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The numbers are so miniscule its not really worth nothing. More people died using bolt action rifles, due to the pause after each shot, they were shot while cycling the bolt. Box magazine weapons like the Thompson, BAR and MP-40 were also flawed, because the enemy sees you take the mag out and scrounge for another..
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@sethboy66 From the German veterans testimony in combat 100-400 yards, the ping is of couse impossible to hear, in close urban comat, the combt is so fast moving and chaotic, that they didnt have time to stop, and go investigate an area because they may have heard something that might have been a clip hitting the ground. Theres just no time, and even if you see the clip eject, thats no reason to charge, since you'll be killed by the other 2 or so guys.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@sethboy66 No American or German veteran I've talked to said they "always used the ping to their advantage", It may have gotten a smal fraction of a percent killed in house to house fighting when outnumbered and alone, but the odds of that happening are little to nil. At my reenactments I fight on the German and American sides, from the German pespective, I usually never hear the ping from someone's rifle, never even crosses anyone's mind to try to listen for pings, it's just pointless.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 and if you think 1 in 50 isnt big by your estimates 12 million people died because of the clip's ping
sethboy66 1 year ago
@sethboy66 When fighting on the American side, we never fear the clip sound, since the Germans hear them 99% of the time, theres pings going off all oer, and when you run out of ammo, you duck back behind solid cover, and theres always someone covering you since tactically you move in pairs of 3 or more. making it impossible for the enemy (even if they magically DID hear it) to zero in on your position, everyone's too preoccupied with fire and maneuver, instead of some little meaningless ping.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 whats up with the four message's .
and i have seen instructional video of veterans talking about there men dieing when the enemy heard the ping.
what they usually did was take a empty clip and throw it against the ground and wait for the enemy to pop there head up
sethboy66 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 i mean 1.2 million people died by the ping
sethboy66 1 year ago
@sethboy66 Well thts funny, because only 416,800 Americans died in WWII and 219,600 died in Korea. You say 1.2 MILLION died JUST because of the ping?!?! Do SOME research before posting such crap.
Trowing an empty clip on the ground did NOT make the enemy "pop their head up" in reality, we all know 99% of the time its impossible to hear a tiny ping noise amist earth shattering noise of battle, in addition 1 ping means nothing, because the enemy knows its only 1 man thats out, not the other 20.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@sethboy66 Just beause the enemy heard a clip ejecting, either from a rifle or thrown on a rock, they're not going to react in a firefight, they know a single ping in meaningless, becuase the American who's out, will have instant covering fire, and he relocates or ducks behind cover again, making it near impossible to zero in on that specific sound, plus theres ping going off all over, theres no time for the enemy to go investigate on where a single clip ping came from, its pointless and suicide
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@sethboy66 Not to say it didnt get people killed, because it did, but according to eyewitness testimony, and AARs for Europe and the Pacific, the numbers roughly come out to 1 in 50. More pople were killed using bolt action rifles than the M1, they were shot while cycling the bolt between each shot, while they were doing that, the enemy lind them up, and when they poped back up, they shot them.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@SchutzStaffel441 I have an M! and it pings loudly. Did make a difference in combat, I don't know, You would have to be foxhole close to tell. But, it does PING.
dddd4444666 1 year ago
@dddd4444666 During my re enactments I cant hear the ping sounds of the clips, the combat noise is just too loud, and the sound is just to small. I can tell from experience re enacting WWII combat as both American and German, using the ping to kill the enemy is pretty much useless all the time. Combat is just way too fast, and loud, and theres pings going off everywhere.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@SchutzStaffel441
dddd4444666 1 year ago
@SchutzStaffel441 i have started deleting the clip comments on both my Garand videos.
People will believe anything the history or discovery channel will tell them
bsrman36 1 year ago
@bsrman36 Why not make a video of the clip ejecting from the rifle on grass or dirt at 200 yards (typical engaging distance for WWII infantry), prove how completely pointless it is to try to listen for it in a combat situation.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 I'm pretty sure he was trying to agree with your point but whatever. Even if 200 yards was typical engagement range, that doesn't mean it happened all the time. Plus WW2 was not the only war that the M1 saw action in. In Vietnam, many engagements were really ambushes made by the Vietcong in the dense jungle environment which they knew better than the US. In such guerrilla tactics, engagements can happen at much closer ranges where the M1's ping may be a lot more audible.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The Vietcong alo used alot of Garands captured from Korea. Its true the ping noise did lead to fatal consequences for some soldiers who carried it, but the way everyone lists is as its "fatal flaw" is so overrated, to actually be in th position to use the ping against the American, things had to be just right, you had to be extremely close (almost within feet of the enemy) he has to be alone, or has to be standing in the open (so he cant duck back behind cover), very rare indeed..
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi Not saying it never happened, because it did, but not even close to the extent that most people think, they think that like 9 in 10 will die just because of the sound, which is totally false, on record it was more like 1 in 50 in regular combat, and 10 in 50 in close combat. Whats funny is that nobody mentions how the Americans used the German's Mauser rifles against them nearly ALL the time, wait for them to shoot, then aim where they'll pop back up, and when they do, you get him
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi Even in close combat,. if the American has just 1 buddy covering him, the ping sound is invalid, because theres constant cover fire. What are the odds everyone will be out of ammo simultaniously? for every soldier that ran out, another 4 or 5 were still shooting, its constant suppressing fire.
The enemy wasnt stupid, just because 1 or 2 guys in 7 or 8 is out, you'll still die instantly, theres no records of the enemy making assaults because of 1 enemy in a group 8 or 10 is out.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi As I said, even in close combat, especially 1 on 1, if the German had his bolt action and the American has his M1, the German would likely die first, since the American would wait for him to shoot, then kill him as he cycles his bolt, theres tons of written records and accounts of that happening. Even at close range 1 on 1, the American still has 5 opportunities (not to mention the German's reload) to kill him, the German only has 1 try with the ping, and he has to be very close.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 As a rifle at the time, the M1 really didn't have a fatal flaw (except maybe the occasional offset cartridge in the clip causing a misfire). Regardless I don't think it's fair to compare the Mauser K98 to the Garand. As you said, one is a bolt action and the other is semi. I personally think the Garand should be compared the German G43 rifle due to them both having semi-auto capabilities in which I think the G43 takes the prize in all terms but cost.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The G43 was one of the poorer semi auto rifles to serve in the war, it had many mechanical problems, accuracy issues at long range due to poorly made parts, it was much more complicated than the Garand, parts that wore out quickly, scarce replacement parts, and its leaf sights didnt have as good a sight picture as the Garand. The G-43 didnt have any edge over the Garand, it was meant to compete with the SVT 40, and did ok, but still wasnt up to par, so it was issued to snipers ect
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The Gewehr 43 was a decent rifle, good accuracy at medium range, and great stopping power, but had many problems, in addition to what I said above, it also had an exposed extracter spring, dirt clogged it constantly, causing feed problems, and extracting problems, the magazines were made of poor, flimsy stamped steel which was bent rather easily if stepped on or crushed, which is why it was encouraged to use 2 stripper clips instead. Most Germans prefered the K98 or scavenged M1s
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The G-43 (aswell as the SVT 40) also had trouble adapting to extreme changes in temperature and moisture, the M1 had no such problems (except the grease gumming up in freezing conditions) The G-43 was a rifle that really needed to be babied and nutrured, which is why they were issued mainly to snipers and demolition engineers. The G43 was not the favorite of the German foot soldier, which is why they were only issued to 2 rifles per platoon, it was not the best semi auto system.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Accuracy issues at long range? It was more accurate than the Garand except late-war when pretty much every German piece of equipment was made of poor quality (A Tiger 2's turret armor could be penetrated by a relatively small caliber AT gun due to poorer quality steel). And yes the G43 needed to be well maintained and had issues in adverse conditions but so does the modern M16 rifle yet people still consider it one of the best rifles in the world.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 And this is where ping comes into play. When you're up against an enemy with 20 rounds while you only have 8, it's very possible to run out of ammo in a situation where you'd need it most and even if the ping is only heard by 10/50 enemies, that's still 20% of the soldiers out there. Considering the scale of WW2, that's actually a pretty large amount of soldiers. Basically the ping wasn't the only "flaw" in the rifle, but the garand's cheapness and reliability made it the better.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The only total flaw (the ping is a semi-flaw, since it was typically useless in battle and only worked in the conditions were just right) was the fact that the magazine only accepted clips. With bolt action rifles, single rounds can be added into the magazine without a stripper clip, the Garand required a clip in order to load the rifle, single rounds can be used in the Garand, but only to top-off while a clip is inserted.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The Garand can be compared to the K98, since that was the rifle it went head to head with in Europe.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 You're going to tell me that just because 2 weapons face off against each other they can be compared? next you'll be telling me you can compare Spanish cannons and muskets to Aztec wood-obsidian just because they went up against each other. They can't be compared because they're 2 very different weapons and just because they saw action with each other doesn't mean they were designed to do the same things.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi Well if you compare the Garand to the G43, the M1 still wins, its cheaper, much more reliable, simple, robust, less recoil, better sights, faster reloding, ect. And the G-43 was tested by the Allies in 1943, and its maximum effective range was about 500-600 yards, the Garand reached out accuractly out to 700-800 yards, its because the machining proscess of the barrels and receiver design of the Garand is much more solid, and was developed and fine tuned over the course of 25 years
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi Remember the G43 began production in mid 1943, at that time the allied bombing raids on German factories were at an all time high, materials were being rapidly used in "priority" machines like tanks, aircraft, ships, U boats, ect. smallarms were laregly made of shotty wood, and stamped steel, like the MG-42 and MP-40. So the G43 wasnt at the top of the list, it was already not favored by the German high command or the troops, plus it was very expensive and complicated to make.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 What are your sources for effective range? Almost every source I found states the Garand's effective range to be around 400-500 yards with <5 inch grouping. If this is true, the G43 outclasses the Garand with an effective range of around 500 yards. As for the G43 not being at the top of the list, remember that Hitler was in charge of everything in the regime at the time. To Hitler the idea of a jet propelled interceptor was ludicrous.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 He also imagined a firearm firing intermediate rounds to be pointless as bolt action carbines and machine pistols together could handle almost any situation. This is the same man who thought that a massive 80cm railway cannon was a good investment while air superiority was not. So just because a gun wasn't mass produced/favored doesn't make it bad. It could just be really expensive (WA2000) or impractical for use in harsh conditions (AR15).
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The range finding were from my own testing with my rifles, both had scopes to ensure the maximum range was utilized at 800 yards, I got 6 1/2 t 7 inch groupings with the M1, and with my G-43 at 800 yards I got groupings of around 6-10 inches. So its not by a whole wide margin, but the M1 is noticably more accurate, but then again, most G43s had scopes and a shooter with an unscoped M1 can really only focus on target out to 500 yards, eventhough the rifle itself will do much more.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The M1 can also focus at longr range targets than rifles rifles leaf sights, since the M1's peep sight slightly sharpens you vision and allows you to focus on long distance targets more easily, better sight picture. Hitler really didnt know how to utilize modern technology, he had a lot of new weapons avalible to him, like the jet, assault rifles, semi auto rifles, though the G41 was rushed, and the G43 was an improvement on a rushed design, so both werent 1st class systems.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Couldn't the Garand be fitted with a scope attachment as well? I'm rather sure I've seen some M1 scope mounts around online. And regarding rushed designs, the BAR was also a "rushed" design but it was still a very good gun. The only real disadvantage I could see was its weight but disregarding that, it served as a great general purpose gun to accompany the M1 Garand. Also you mention reload time but the G43 had more than twice the capacity of the Garand.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The G43 only had 2 more rounds than the Garand,the M1 has 8, the G43 has 10. The BAR A1 model was rushed, and didnt perform as good as the later A2 and A3 models, however, the BAR was developed in the US, without the threat of th Browning and Colt factories being bombed, or overran by enemy troops, it was in complete peace, and had all the resources widely avalible, the BAR design was originally drawn up in 1915, and was worked on until it was needed in 1918, after the war....
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The BAR continued where it left off before the war, it continued being experimented with and added to and improved, up unti the final A2 and A3. The BAR's only problems were it lacked a quick change barrel, was heavy, and had delicate tin metal magazines.
In my range and accuracy tests, I set up the rifles on an automatic firing rig, each rifle was perfectly lined up on the target boards, this was to eliminate any human interferance during the tests, to get the best results
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 From what I've seen, the G43 had 4 different magazines of varying capacities. There was the standard 10 round mag, the "chopped" 5 round mag, the extended 10 round mag, and the adopted "Dreyse" mag from the MG13 with 25 rounds. The garand could only accept 8 round en bloc clips restricting it to no more than 8 rounds. As for the BAR, it was designed in 1918 by John Browning in only 3 months. 3 months sounds "rushed" to me.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The 10 round magazine was the only varient that saw active use in combat, the rest were experimentals. The BAR was introduced and entered service in 1918, but it was being developed since 1915.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 Citation? From what I've read and heard, I see the BAR as having been designed in 3 months not 3 years.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi I heard it from a documentary, and at a few museums, John Browning started drawing up its blueprints in 1915 after he had an idea of a machine gun that could be carried by a single man, and could be used to assault trenches with, the government was interested, but not enthusiastic about it, since they didnt want to get involved with the war, they allowed Browning to develop a few prototypes and by 1918 a workable weapon was ready, by that time the US had officially entered the war
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi The military accepted it and designated it Model of 1918 Browning Automatic Rifle A1.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 OK so he was designing a light machine gun. Does it say anything about him designing the specific M1918 action? As far as I can see, the actual design was drawn up in 1918 but the dimension restrictions etc. were the only part in the works before the action itself was designed. Else why would other documentaries claim the M1918 to have been "designed in 3 months"?
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi Idont know, it said "Browing Light Machine Gun" now that MAY be the M1919. What I heard was Browning had already been tinkering around with the BAR concept and layout for a few YEARS (could've been a typo?) when the military approched them looking for an automatic rifle able to be carried by 1 man, Browning said they had already been working on a few automatic weapons to fit that bill, and after 3 more months they presented the finalized BAR in February 1918.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 I suppose I'll have to look into that more. The main reason I praised the BAR as a genius gun was because I was under the impression it was designed in 3 months but now I'll have to research this more. Still according to this browning*com / library / infonews / detail*asp?id=245 (replace * with . ) among other sources, I've heard 3 months.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi Yeah it seems theres some varying sources on exactly when it was designed, but it it was 3 months, then thats incredible engineering right there.
LoneWolf051 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 I know right? Especially after watching the principle of operation video. Then again this was the guy who designed the M1911. If only we had people like John Browning designing firearms for the US today.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@LoneWolf051 As for your rifle tests, how long have you been firing each rifle? It could be possible that you were more comfortable with your Garand if you have been using it considerably longer than you have your G43.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 Not every skirmish involved hundreds of rifles and mortars. Some encounters were small detachments (mostly recon) who encounter one another. With a squad of only around a dozen men (perhaps less if you were airborne), it's very possible to hear the ping of the M1. And even if all his buddies aren't reloading, at least it means one less chance of you getting shot. You act like every engagement in war was D-Day and that Axis soldiers never fired back at all.
mauiboynokaoi 11 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 And your an idiot who thinks he knows what combat is like faggot
paintballKid545 10 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 Yeah, but what if you're trying to attack by sneaking by? you're not going to be shrouded by a hail of explosions all the time, so its still important if you can make as little sound as posible.
you would be screwed if you used this as the SWAT, with the thing being heard from potentially the whole of the building.
Wombleonastick 10 months ago
@Wombleonastick Yeah, sneaking by, they wont hear the massive gun shots, but WILL ALL hear a tiny pinging sound. ROFLMAO
LoneWolf051 9 months ago
@LoneWolf051 A tiny ping? are you going deaf? that is fucking loud. Think about If it was a nightime mission when sound travels faster, you'd hear across the other end of a forest.
besides, that's why I mentioned SWAT's, perhaps more appropriete would be some form of Special Forces. Do you REALLY think that soldiers are going to be shooting ALL THE TIME? Don't you think the Germans would stop shooting if it was helping people sneak by even with huge clunky pieces of shit like the M1 Garand?
Wombleonastick 9 months ago
@Wombleonastick hi there from your comment i can tell you have never fire a gun before, you should go sometime, so you can hear how loud a real gun is.
BurroBurrito1 9 months ago
@Wombleonastick Seriously, I've owned my Garand for the last 19 years, and you clearly have no clue about M1s, the clip ejects the instant the shot is fired (heard), completely drowning out the sound of the clip, the ONLY time you'd be able to hear it, is when it hits the ground, and if your shooting on grass, dirt, sand, leaves, ect, it makes no sound (muffled). Watch some videos of M1s being fired outdoors of grass, dirt, ect. listen to how quiet the clip is. Practically impossible to hear.
LoneWolf051 9 months ago
@Wombleonastick Yes, a "tiny" ping is correct, it's well known among me and my fellow firearms experts, here, let me educate you a bit on this...
watch?v=vXHGAXqFkz4&feature=related
Not exactly what I'd call audible, in a REAL combat situation, I'm pretty certain the enemy would become aware to your position once the first GUNSHOT is fired. That why the ping sound in reality was not a problem 99.999% of the time, and why the Garand was the finest rifle of WWII.
LoneWolf051 9 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 hm.. I guess you have been playing Call of Duty?.. because In ww2 they didn't go as a platoon or a batallion, they went out more as squads so there wasn't fire all the time.. but I see what you mean. .
TheSkarsbo 10 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 I take it that you've actually been in combat with an M1 rifle? If it's all the same to you, I'd rather go by witness accounts of actual World War II and Korean War veterans.
GregHuismans 10 months ago
@GregHuismans It depends where you're at, if youre outside, and on grass,ect. its impossible to hear, if you're clearing out a building room by room, then its a problem,but then again if you have a friend with you, the Germans will likely not use it against you, since theres still another armed soldier with you, so the ping is invalid. Unless(in the rare occasion) you're alone clearing a house, the sound may be deadly, then again the Germans may not know your alone and use the sound to run away.
LoneWolf051 9 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441
I have to disagree with you.
I had friends and family that served in Korea.
They can vouch for the ping story.
They saw it first hand.
fuzzysdad 10 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 These stories are usually from people who have never handled let alone fired a garand. It is a truly smooth and sleek battle rifle (in some ways more so than an AR15). Reloading it was so quick and intuitive that within an hour of the very first time I fired this rifle, I can reload before the ejected clip even hits the ground. So I highly doubt a highly trained soldier would give the enemy enough time to even react to the garand "ping."
redmunkee 10 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441
Yes, i completely agree, nice name btw haha
JustAnotherYtuber 10 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 I agree with you, but how are they 'ignorant'?
MrPooky9 9 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 IM glad someone finally said it!!!
pappybugington 9 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441
I can believe it is a common held belief, at least for a time, everyone under fire or in combat is in adrenaline rush, shooting fast, seems likely at least somewhat that if one is out maybe all are. Better than just sticking your head out, in theory
willowrhayne 9 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441
its because the majority of commentors on youtube are kids and play CoD.
pootubeftw 8 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 going against a single man in a pop shots mini conflict it works, by throwing a used clip, there is a chance they heard, and are going for the kill allow you to kill them being already set up!
Frogtalkin 8 months ago
@SchutzStaffel441 actually its taken from close quarter combat, in urban warfare some soldiers are alone in combat and when your fighting and empty your clip in close combat they can really hear it, its like the safe click in the AK47, not everything in war its crazy shooting and bombardment, there were also assault movements
KaelDragon 7 months ago
i like how everyone on youtube tries and acts like they know everything and like they were actually on the battlefield of wwII using this rifle...
8thman420 1 year ago 34
@8thman420 LOL, I know...they're so cute.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@8thman420 right suddenly history channel military channel and discovery channel makes everyone a expert these days legalize it
GFORCEpackattack 10 months ago
yeah! even if he ran out, the axis solider would pop out and get shot by another m1 garand!
14words4ever 1 year ago
that wasent garand thumb. the bolt has to slam on your tumb before you can call it garand thumb.
MrPennyworth007 1 year ago
The "ping" theory is bullshit. There is hearing-damaging gunfire all around, and you can hear a piece of metal hit the floor? It's invented lore.
csmybuttt 1 year ago
Instructions for those who don't know: When pushing the catch down that releases the bolt forward hold the side of ur right hand down against the handle of the slide. Make sure its firm, then hold the bolt in place while u lift ur thumb out and then release.
ginjaninja1988 1 year ago
I have been in numerous ww2 battle reenactments with M1 Garands around me and also often firing an M1 if not my M1903 Springfield. Let me tell u that its hard enough to hear the ping of ur own empty clip over weapons fire let alnoe someone else's empty clip; especially over automatic fire. Tricking the enemy with a fake ping as with many things told about ww2 is most likley a total myth or maybe happened once. and why wuld u drop ur aim just to do this when u could just flank the SOB
ginjaninja1988 1 year ago
how bad does that hurt
psycomonkey1231 1 year ago
you know what i think is funny? has anybody ever gone to a shooting range full of people and tried to hear the Garands ping over all the gunfire? its not exactly the loudest thing in the world and you dont even really hear it to well if you hear it at all. and before anybody complains that i dont know what im talking about i actually own one of these rifles and i have shot it many times, you can hear it when theres not to much noise but in combat when is it ever quiet? :p
gearsofmuffin 1 year ago
First time I closed the bolt of an M1, I didn't know it could close on your thumb :/ . Needless to say I won't be making that mistake again.
Jesuskrieger 1 year ago
fail lol
tehbagoftea 1 year ago
You cant hear the ping in 90% of combat situations.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
Couldn't they just puch it with something else? I mean, a rock, wood...
jrriojase 1 year ago
you should move the bolt to a hard stop, not to a loose stop (thats what I heard)
Jur2225 1 year ago
So it locks firmly in place.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
thats correct. all the way back
bentenren 1 year ago
situation: you dont hav good reflexes you hav an m1 garand.(get it?) you run out of ammo you want to reload.... (you can fill in the rest by yourself)
branko2301 2 years ago
lol great for cigars :P
dont put in any other parts of your body (thinkin about some people saying 'sexy gun') O_O
MeeGra123 2 years ago
so many nifty comments =D
masterjames0o7 2 years ago
I gotten M1 thumb from my M1 and it hurts like a son-of-a-bitch!
jroberts7387 2 years ago
I guess in the heat of WWII battle a lot of inexperienced soldiers broke their thumbs loading their rifles.
Rocktecho 2 years ago
My friend broke his thumb loading it...
badguy100000 2 years ago
The Garand will NOT sever your thumb or any other finger. It may break your pinky though, other wise it just hurts like a mother-fucker and will probably be black and blue.
vector6977 2 years ago
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my friend got his finger caught and cut off by putting his index finger in the glock 17 chamber.
themoviesboy 2 years ago
I doubt the recoil spring on a glock is strong enough to do that.
csmybuttt 2 years ago
No he didn't.
Theriomalstrom 2 years ago
@themoviesboy
bull shit
bigranger16 2 years ago
your mom asswipe
themoviesboy 2 years ago
what type of comeback is that fag?
bigranger16 2 years ago
Glock 17 is 9mm. He'd have to have a very small finger to fit it in the barrel.
NormanMatchem 2 years ago
lol so many /b/tards in the comments of this video.
w35m4n 2 years ago
I LOVE IT
csmybuttt 2 years ago
lol some Americans Soldier lost their Finger because of M1 Garand Reloading......go Watch Band Brothers and the part where some guy called Blythe lost his Finger when he reloads his gun!
luftwaffe789456123 2 years ago
Did he? I don't remember that.
mikefaille 2 years ago
@luftwaffe789456123 U won't loose ur finger from jamming it in the M1. But it flippin hurts. One of mates managed to do it to himself during a battle reenactment. His thumb just bruised. And blythe never lost a finger in Band of Brothers.
ginjaninja1988 1 year ago
The video would have been more true to its title if he actually caught his thumb. Sure it would hurt, but you gotta sacrifice a bit for a more interesting video.
csmybuttt 2 years ago
lol so true
rangers11000 2 years ago
I screamed when I saw the bolt close. Like the last episode of Seinfeld, my expectations have not been met and I'm calling this a fail. However, if he'd actually done it, it would have been EPIC WIN. Hmm... I have a Garand, but not a Garand thumb. I am also in possession of a digital camera with a video function. Should I do it for the lulz?
MrHongKongBuffet 2 years ago
His thumb should have become an hero.
csmybuttt 2 years ago
lmao true true
blueflagofmisery 2 years ago
g43 owns it.
Krieger91 2 years ago
Frankly, the G43 is a piece of junk compared to the Garand. They had so many reliability and accuracy problems. The Garand was the best infantry rifle of WW2. The SVT-40 was also a good rifle, but not as well designed as the Garand was.
esh325 2 years ago 2
I never have any problems with mine...
Krieger91 2 years ago
COD fag? I think so.
csmybuttt 2 years ago
I hate call of duty, I have one. I can send you pictures if really want me too???
Krieger91 2 years ago
Go ahead. In fact, that would be awesome.
csmybuttt 2 years ago
LMAO, not even, the Garand was much mre reliable, easier to mass produce (the Gewehr was never mass produced) the M1 was also much simpler, and user friendly. The G43 had a lot of jamming problems, somewhat delicate barrel, hard to mass produce, and towards the endof the war, they were rarely seen, and mostly used by snipers.
LoneWolf051 2 years ago
Oh jesus... I remember my first Garand... Had not the faintest idea how to load it, caught the bolt on the follower, pushed in the clip and smashed my thumb. Hurt like hell, but I never DID make that mistake again.
Thatevilmidget 2 years ago 2
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What I find so funny is that no one realizes that the "ping" was used to the allies advantage. You see, the ping noise was made by and empty clip, so a person would drop an empty clip, the enemy not knowing that the gun didn't eject it, would come up and one of the guys would shoot him.
Watch the top 10 combat rifles.
kuroganeki 2 years ago 21
Yup, very interesting bit of info.
O8SERVER 2 years ago
@kuroganeki
There's no advantage in your weapon telling everyone you are out of ammo. It's great to throw empty clips around, but in a firefight you rarely have time to collect and throw clips around, sometimes you just got to shoot and keep the fire up or die. Purposely throwing clips means the enemy is going to rush en mass or do something drastic, loaded or not, that's not something you want.
Mr2ndAmendment 1 year ago
@Mr2ndAmendment Too bad in the real combat the ping is impossible to hear in battle, and a single ping means 1 man is out, not the other 10 or 20 guys, the enemy isnt stupid, they wont "rush en mass" due to 1 man's rifle running out, they didnt hear it in combat, and if by magic they did, they ignored it.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051
I am not as convinced. Suppose you get attackeded by several enemies and it is just you or you and a buddy. The enemies we faced while using the Garand were not that stupid, if they have been receiving fire from one man and his rifle is out they will take advantage of it. Hearing the ping depends on distance and what it hits when it flies. Sometimes it can be heard, sometimes it can't. Soldiers will use brains to survive, don't underestimate this very serious flaw.
Mr2ndAmendment 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051
Obviously when a whole fire team or squad engages the enemy I seriously doubt the ping would ever be a problem but if it's just one or two guys this could be serious. Especially if one or two guys are laying down suppressing fire and the enemy blatant hears the ping when they run out. This kind of problem is the kind of problem rarely encountered but when it did happen it could be very serious.
Mr2ndAmendment 1 year ago
@kuroganeki to get the actual noise the clip would need to eject, OR bash an empty clip on someone's helmet.This tactic is mostly a myth as there isnt always a nice lull in a firefight so u can play that kind of sound based trick
bigblindguy 1 year ago
@kuroganeki really i though every1 knew that?, its a big problem in video games hahaha
clockwise3559 1 year ago
@kuroganeki Yea I saw that too, they found out how to use it to their advantage
hatednation 1 year ago
@kuroganeki
And you would bet your life on that ping? Well i would throw a grenade towards that "PING"... wouldnt stick my head out before it rains pieces of enemy
bowman2061 1 year ago
@kuroganeki The likleyhood of this actually happening on the battlefield is nonexsistant. Just because it was on TV doesn't mean it really happened. As with many stories/myths about ww2 this is probably a load of crap.
ginjaninja1988 1 year ago
@kuroganeki btu also, if it did pop, they would get their head blown off
massefeect18 1 year ago
@kuroganeki You think the allies were just constantly throwing down en blocs the whole time to lure out the enemy? Sure it may have worked sometimes, but most of the time it was just an annoyance.
DaphidDinh 1 year ago
@kuroganeki: That and you get one person to burn through their ammo and get the ping. Then your buddies open up when the enemy thinks you are out of ammo and stick their head up.
Shaka666 1 year ago
@kuroganeki Sorry, that's a myth. You can't hear the ping over the sound over the last round firing, let alone when there are a number of other rifles firing too.
ThunderCracker26 1 year ago
@kuroganeki it exualy was more a disadvantage
whatsoever, the guys woud know where you are, and silent reloading isnt posible
still ,i think its number one battle rifle in history
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
@kuroganeki Didn't they only start doing that during the Korean War though? My grandpa (Mom's side) was involved in that conflict, he mentioned the tactic a couple of times, but my other grandfather (on my Dad's side) didn't mention it at all in his stories.
I could be wrong though.
JSGayMusic 1 year ago
@kuroganeki Yeah but they only did that after realising the flaw in the 'ping' before hand.
RocksNotDead101 1 year ago
@RocksNotDead101 The ping is NOT a flaw
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@RocksNotDead101 Go to my profil, and watch the first video in my favorites list, listen to how loud the ping is/would be across the field to the enemy, then come back and tell me the ping is a "flaw"
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@kuroganeki yep, makes sense. But it could go either way.
satanwilleatyursoul 1 year ago