Iraq buying 100mill of AKs..well bugger me sideways, last thing id have thought that place needed was a shit-load of the worlds most reliable gun! couldn't make dat shit up, You think theres enough there already, though when i think about it writing this, i suppose most of the guns there have a few previous owners!
Like 15 minutes into this and I'm convinced....either the US and EU take control of this country or obliterate all the people and end the suffering today and spare the unborn, those are the only two options.
Damns guns...... fucken hate them..... Always killing people by itself. Mysteriously coming alive and shooting people...... GET REAL>>>> PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE>
Gunpowder is easily made from products you can buy at the hardware store. Restricting these would make everyday life tremendeously complicated. A bullet is easy to make, so is a shell. Maybe i couldn't build an automatic rifle or a sniper rifle, but a one shot wonder lethal up to 100ft is something anyone can make at home. So we're not about to get rid of guns, like them or not. What we need to ask is why war is concentrated to the areas of the poor world that has resources the rich world wants.
@norcofreerider604: you repeat the same things in your comments, yet they are no less false for that. You use Khyber Pass without any real knowledge of the term and misrepresent or deliberately misunderstand how a cease in the trafficking of small arms could improve these people's lives. Please eat shit and die
This is why you should be able to shoot back. If thugs or government came to burn my house down, they would be shot. Guns are needed so the rulers can not have their way with you.
genocide ? blame the West.. forced food importation, forced manufactured goods importation, puts the govt into debt, and poverty to the living. The US govt, who funds 2/3 of the finances of the UN, sanctions weapons, because they have a billion dollar industry.. food, well excess wheat are sold to kenya, and other African countries, rather then sending them equipment to make their own food.. sad ? .. ignorance is a bliss.
The guns do not "cause" conflict, that is utter BS. Ending the arms trade will not end violence and war. All this aside, those that have money will always be able to obtain arms.
@blackhawk438 I challenge you to name one instance where disarming both sides actually solved the underlying issues that caused the conflict in the first place. Sure, disarming both sides and sending in peacekeepers may temporarily stop the fighting, but that does nothing to solve the original cause of the conflict. The Rwandan genocide was committed mostly with machetes... so where was your gun control there?
@norcofreerider604 Thats not the point. The point here is you called what you said bs. "The guns do not "cause" conflict, that is utter BS."---quote. Read it clearly. you'll see it does not make much sence. I do not actually care about you arms trade thingy. I am just pointing out you contradicted yourself there a bit.
@bigcountrylolz I have to agree with you. Why are they not allowed to sell these people guns? These people are not children... They, and they alone, are responsible for how they use their guns. The US has a lot of guns, yet Americans have not descendent into anarchy and started killing their neighbours on mass with those guns. As has been said before, if they didn't have guns they would kill each other with stones and machetes.
@norcofreerider604 Thats like saying drugs don't cause drug addiction. To some extent it is right to say guns don't cause conflict but they do facilitate it and make it easier for a minority to harm and opress the majority in a country. Im not in favor of gun control in developed nations however the gun trade needs to end in nations where tribalism is always causing problems.
@liberalmike1994 A better example would be "That's like saying Alcohol doesn't cause wife beating." The point behind what I said being that guns are not the root cause of conflict, and they don't even aggravate the situation. Many of these "hot spots" have had tribal conflict for thousands of years, and have only been pacified under the force of arms from a strong central authority.
Also, that minority can only harm and oppress and unarmed majority...
@liberalmike1994 Look into arms production in "Khyber Pass" and you'll find that arms will always be produced and supplied to those who want them, regardless of what some bureaucrat in an office does.
@norcofreerider604 but more guns are created the cheaper those guns are for even poor people to obtain. So your logic doesn't make sense. This doc is talking about poor people getting heavy machine guns & grenades, rocket launchers etc.
@Laminaricflow The guns created in Khyber Pass are for poor people. And if they are available nowhere else, the production in that area will either rise or start up elsewhere. My point is don't focus on the gun, focus on the root cause of the conflict.
Actually, when you look at the agenda of the global anti gunners, they are always going on about the destructiveness of small arms, which covers everything from your bolt action Winchester and S&W revolver, to anti-tank rockets.
@norcofreerider604 it's so easy to kill with a gun. Not only that guy you are intending to kill but bypassers as well, yes those civilians that they talk about in war/terrorism news.
It's not only about small guns, what I have heard about military equipment trade isn't very flattering either. I have heard that they bribe government officials and try to pressure them into accepting their deals. In recent history there has been several corruption charges against military weapon producers.
@Laminaricflow I disagree part of the video was about bosnia selling 5000 ak-47 that they were going to destroy to the current government of Iraq to arm there police and army with. I spent 3 years as a patrollman in MI and I have saw cases were if an eldrly person didnt have a firearm they would not have been able to protect themselves from 20 year old thugs that kicked there door in to rob and beat or kill them.
@Laminaricflow international arms dealers dont sell hardware to poor people. There are acutaly laws about selling military hardware. I know of a former Marine who quit his job for a leagal arms manufaturer over the selling of .50 cal sniper rifles and scopes to pakistain on the grounds thouse weapons will be used against US Solders or Marines in Afganistian.
Regulating the arms trade is regulating the amount and quality of weapons. Like if there were no regulations the US troops currently in Iraq would have to deal with stuff like 12,7x55 calibered assault rifles made for penetrating class IV ballistic protection.
@Suojeluninja Wow, you obviously have little knowledge of external ballistics and body armour classifications. A level IV strike face provides single hit protection from a .30 caliber AP (armour piercing) projectile with nominal mass of 10.8 g (166 gr), impacting at a velocity of 869 m/s (2850 ft/s) or less. Many conventional hunting rifles loaded with the correct projectile well exceed this threshold.
@Suojeluninja What are you defining as an "assault rifle". SLAP ammunition is generally only used in DM and AM rifles.
Also, loading a 168gr projectile with tungsten penetrator into a 300 RUM cartridge will allow you to penetrate level IV strike faces out to 200 yards... not too shabby for a civilian rifle.
Assault rifle: At least medium calibre, can fire both rapid and semi auto, magazine feed, can be fired while standing, not yet an machinegun. One might also consider it an quickrifle. ( Direct translation since the english language does not have an direct equivalent.)
Also the values you mentioned are minimal values and toughest bulletproof wests are practically IV+.
@Suojeluninja The WA 2000 was not produced in 300 RUM, it was 300 Win Mag... but anyway... It's not like it matters which gun the round is fired from anyways (which was my point from the beginning)... A 300 Win Mag is the same, weather it is from a single shot falling block Ruger No.1 or WA 2000. My secondary point was any ATT that encompasses "armour piercing" rounds could likely be interpreted to include magnum rounds used for hunting big game (as many can penetrate hard strike faces).
Of course heavier rifle calibres have an better penetration but compact weapons that have an good penetration without tungsten sabots or HEAT rounds are currently an rarity.
If your weapons don't penetrate the vests of the enemy but their weapons penetrate yours its an significant disadvantage. ( Assuming that we are talking about similar weapon types. )
My point from the beginning (that still hasn't been addressed) is how do you distinguish (in any ATT) hunting rifles (which can defeat most types of body armour) from rifles that use dedicated armour piercing anti personnel rounds? Any sort of ATT drafted by the U.N. will not exempt sporting arms, thus I shall oppose it.
@Suojeluninja an assult rifle fires an intermediate cartridge in between battle rifle .303 brit,7.92mm mauser,.308win. and pistol calibre 9mm-45, .357. .44mag. most police vest in america just stop pistol rounds and a .44mag at close range even if vest stops penertration the impact can still stop your heart a police officer in romulus mi was kllled in just this way
@sass225 also assult rifle is capable of select fire ether auto or 3 shot burts a semi auto only weapon is not in military definition an assult rifle.
@Suojeluninja Also, what do you define as an "assault rifle", and no 12,7x55 cartridge exists. There is a 12,7x54mm sub-sonic cartridge that was designed by the Soviet Union as a sniping cartridge, but even this is only capable of penetrating heavy body armour at 100m.
Said cartridge is still an wildcat so its not surprising that you have not heard from it. Though its based on an already widely used cartidge. Also its supposed to fire sabots and the design is still not past the prototype stage.
My point is that without regulations the "bad guys" would have significantly better weapons than what they currently have.
Hey even the US army doesn't get all the stuff they wan't to buy due to outdated regulations that prohibit selling military weapons into countries that are involved in an war.
Like the US was not allowed to buy the AMOS system.
@Suojeluninja Also, why would you mention an unknown cartridge, then expect me to believe you that it's an "experimental" cartridge. What round is it based on? Which country is designing it? For use in what rifle? How heavy is the projectile? Muzzle velocity? Where can I verify what you've claimed?
Just make an 338 Lapua Magnum shorter. Its an project of an local weaponsmith so you can't verify it at the moment. Also its an wildcat not an experimental cartidge if you can make it easily from an already existing one.
Its partially based on the design of the AR-15 your next proper local weaponsmith can make you one if you wan't to have one.
Ok its not the best example. G3 variants that use Win.308 and have sub moa accuracy are also pretty nasty in the wrong hands.
@Suojeluninja Well, you gave no information about the cartridge initially, other than claim it was a wildcat... so since I had no information such as the originating cartridge to go from, I assumed it was an original design. What kind of testing has he done on the cartridge to prove its AP abilities? It's an interesting concept, but there's a local company to me that has essentially scaled up and AR-15 to take a full sized .338 Lapua, so I'd prefer that to a shortened wildcat.
Simple you can load already existing AP rounds into the cartrige as sabots but more powder and an larger "piston" for the same weight make sure that the bullets have significantly more starting velocity.
Though I'm not sure what sort of velocities he has already achieved.
Also considering the amount of burning gases to the bullet weight it won't have much recoil with an proper muzzle break.
Iraq buying 100mill of AKs..well bugger me sideways, last thing id have thought that place needed was a shit-load of the worlds most reliable gun! couldn't make dat shit up, You think theres enough there already, though when i think about it writing this, i suppose most of the guns there have a few previous owners!
hiphop101x 2 weeks ago
Like 15 minutes into this and I'm convinced....either the US and EU take control of this country or obliterate all the people and end the suffering today and spare the unborn, those are the only two options.
Joseph565112 3 weeks ago
Wow, that's really sad!
LionheartOC 1 month ago
What a fucking mess.
tharleyify 1 month ago
Damns guns...... fucken hate them..... Always killing people by itself. Mysteriously coming alive and shooting people...... GET REAL>>>> PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE>
MrJry2598 1 month ago
Gunpowder is easily made from products you can buy at the hardware store. Restricting these would make everyday life tremendeously complicated. A bullet is easy to make, so is a shell. Maybe i couldn't build an automatic rifle or a sniper rifle, but a one shot wonder lethal up to 100ft is something anyone can make at home. So we're not about to get rid of guns, like them or not. What we need to ask is why war is concentrated to the areas of the poor world that has resources the rich world wants.
gbzhemn1 2 months ago
@norcofreerider604: you repeat the same things in your comments, yet they are no less false for that. You use Khyber Pass without any real knowledge of the term and misrepresent or deliberately misunderstand how a cease in the trafficking of small arms could improve these people's lives. Please eat shit and die
Satakunta 3 months ago
This is why you should be able to shoot back. If thugs or government came to burn my house down, they would be shot. Guns are needed so the rulers can not have their way with you.
JimmyGunXD556 6 months ago
6:42 What did he say?
smurfieboo 8 months ago
genocide ? blame the West.. forced food importation, forced manufactured goods importation, puts the govt into debt, and poverty to the living. The US govt, who funds 2/3 of the finances of the UN, sanctions weapons, because they have a billion dollar industry.. food, well excess wheat are sold to kenya, and other African countries, rather then sending them equipment to make their own food.. sad ? .. ignorance is a bliss.
teddythebenny 8 months ago
Your all dirty whores
lowrida03 9 months ago
It's the farthest thing from BS, and I couldn't disagree with a person more.
Really? Giving guns to third world countries isn't a mistake, and demolishing the trade system would be a bad idea for these war-torn countries?
Right.
alphabetswap 1 year ago
YES go FRANCE !!
69musclecars 1 year ago
Its the human basic conditioning which causes all conflicts in the world. Guns doesnt kill people, people kill people.
Human mind is sick. Everyone sees the evil in others but never in themselfs. As long as this illusion keeps going, so does killing.
kimpsuu 1 year ago
The guns do not "cause" conflict, that is utter BS. Ending the arms trade will not end violence and war. All this aside, those that have money will always be able to obtain arms.
norcofreerider604 1 year ago 12
@norcofreerider604 The guns do not "cause" conflict, that is utter BS. ..................dude you said what you said was BS.
blackhawk438 1 year ago
@blackhawk438 I challenge you to name one instance where disarming both sides actually solved the underlying issues that caused the conflict in the first place. Sure, disarming both sides and sending in peacekeepers may temporarily stop the fighting, but that does nothing to solve the original cause of the conflict. The Rwandan genocide was committed mostly with machetes... so where was your gun control there?
norcofreerider604 1 year ago
@norcofreerider604 Thats not the point. The point here is you called what you said bs. "The guns do not "cause" conflict, that is utter BS."---quote. Read it clearly. you'll see it does not make much sence. I do not actually care about you arms trade thingy. I am just pointing out you contradicted yourself there a bit.
blackhawk438 1 year ago
@norcofreerider604 no wait. It does make sence.....my bad. sorry.
blackhawk438 1 year ago
@norcofreerider604 word. this is so BS. its our fault for making guns, and not thiers for using them, LOL.
bigcountrylolz 1 year ago
@bigcountrylolz I have to agree with you. Why are they not allowed to sell these people guns? These people are not children... They, and they alone, are responsible for how they use their guns. The US has a lot of guns, yet Americans have not descendent into anarchy and started killing their neighbours on mass with those guns. As has been said before, if they didn't have guns they would kill each other with stones and machetes.
evildeathmonkey1 11 months ago
@norcofreerider604 Thats like saying drugs don't cause drug addiction. To some extent it is right to say guns don't cause conflict but they do facilitate it and make it easier for a minority to harm and opress the majority in a country. Im not in favor of gun control in developed nations however the gun trade needs to end in nations where tribalism is always causing problems.
liberalmike1994 9 months ago
@liberalmike1994 A better example would be "That's like saying Alcohol doesn't cause wife beating." The point behind what I said being that guns are not the root cause of conflict, and they don't even aggravate the situation. Many of these "hot spots" have had tribal conflict for thousands of years, and have only been pacified under the force of arms from a strong central authority.
Also, that minority can only harm and oppress and unarmed majority...
norcofreerider604 9 months ago
@liberalmike1994 Look into arms production in "Khyber Pass" and you'll find that arms will always be produced and supplied to those who want them, regardless of what some bureaucrat in an office does.
norcofreerider604 9 months ago
@norcofreerider604 but more guns are created the cheaper those guns are for even poor people to obtain. So your logic doesn't make sense. This doc is talking about poor people getting heavy machine guns & grenades, rocket launchers etc.
Laminaricflow 8 months ago
@Laminaricflow The guns created in Khyber Pass are for poor people. And if they are available nowhere else, the production in that area will either rise or start up elsewhere. My point is don't focus on the gun, focus on the root cause of the conflict.
Actually, when you look at the agenda of the global anti gunners, they are always going on about the destructiveness of small arms, which covers everything from your bolt action Winchester and S&W revolver, to anti-tank rockets.
norcofreerider604 8 months ago
@norcofreerider604 it's so easy to kill with a gun. Not only that guy you are intending to kill but bypassers as well, yes those civilians that they talk about in war/terrorism news.
It's not only about small guns, what I have heard about military equipment trade isn't very flattering either. I have heard that they bribe government officials and try to pressure them into accepting their deals. In recent history there has been several corruption charges against military weapon producers.
Laminaricflow 8 months ago
@Laminaricflow I disagree part of the video was about bosnia selling 5000 ak-47 that they were going to destroy to the current government of Iraq to arm there police and army with. I spent 3 years as a patrollman in MI and I have saw cases were if an eldrly person didnt have a firearm they would not have been able to protect themselves from 20 year old thugs that kicked there door in to rob and beat or kill them.
sass225 3 weeks ago
@Laminaricflow international arms dealers dont sell hardware to poor people. There are acutaly laws about selling military hardware. I know of a former Marine who quit his job for a leagal arms manufaturer over the selling of .50 cal sniper rifles and scopes to pakistain on the grounds thouse weapons will be used against US Solders or Marines in Afganistian.
sass225 3 weeks ago
@norcofreerider604
Regulating the arms trade is regulating the amount and quality of weapons. Like if there were no regulations the US troops currently in Iraq would have to deal with stuff like 12,7x55 calibered assault rifles made for penetrating class IV ballistic protection.
Suojeluninja 3 months ago
@Suojeluninja Wow, you obviously have little knowledge of external ballistics and body armour classifications. A level IV strike face provides single hit protection from a .30 caliber AP (armour piercing) projectile with nominal mass of 10.8 g (166 gr), impacting at a velocity of 869 m/s (2850 ft/s) or less. Many conventional hunting rifles loaded with the correct projectile well exceed this threshold.
norcofreerider604 3 months ago
@norcofreerider604
And how many assault rifles succeed in this without SLAP ammunition?
Suojeluninja 3 months ago
@Suojeluninja What are you defining as an "assault rifle". SLAP ammunition is generally only used in DM and AM rifles.
Also, loading a 168gr projectile with tungsten penetrator into a 300 RUM cartridge will allow you to penetrate level IV strike faces out to 200 yards... not too shabby for a civilian rifle.
norcofreerider604 3 months ago
@norcofreerider604
Assault rifle: At least medium calibre, can fire both rapid and semi auto, magazine feed, can be fired while standing, not yet an machinegun. One might also consider it an quickrifle. ( Direct translation since the english language does not have an direct equivalent.)
Also the values you mentioned are minimal values and toughest bulletproof wests are practically IV+.
Unfortunately WA 2000 ain't produced anymore.
Suojeluninja 3 months ago
@Suojeluninja The WA 2000 was not produced in 300 RUM, it was 300 Win Mag... but anyway... It's not like it matters which gun the round is fired from anyways (which was my point from the beginning)... A 300 Win Mag is the same, weather it is from a single shot falling block Ruger No.1 or WA 2000. My secondary point was any ATT that encompasses "armour piercing" rounds could likely be interpreted to include magnum rounds used for hunting big game (as many can penetrate hard strike faces).
norcofreerider604 3 months ago
@norcofreerider604
Of course heavier rifle calibres have an better penetration but compact weapons that have an good penetration without tungsten sabots or HEAT rounds are currently an rarity.
If your weapons don't penetrate the vests of the enemy but their weapons penetrate yours its an significant disadvantage. ( Assuming that we are talking about similar weapon types. )
Suojeluninja 3 months ago
@Suojeluninja I already know all of that stuff.
My point from the beginning (that still hasn't been addressed) is how do you distinguish (in any ATT) hunting rifles (which can defeat most types of body armour) from rifles that use dedicated armour piercing anti personnel rounds? Any sort of ATT drafted by the U.N. will not exempt sporting arms, thus I shall oppose it.
norcofreerider604 2 months ago
@norcofreerider604
Oh my account didn't report this respond. The answer is:
Said assault rifles that can turn an BMP-2 into swiss cheese have an different kind of barrel.
Suojeluninja 3 weeks ago
@Suojeluninja an assult rifle fires an intermediate cartridge in between battle rifle .303 brit,7.92mm mauser,.308win. and pistol calibre 9mm-45, .357. .44mag. most police vest in america just stop pistol rounds and a .44mag at close range even if vest stops penertration the impact can still stop your heart a police officer in romulus mi was kllled in just this way
sass225 3 weeks ago
@sass225 also assult rifle is capable of select fire ether auto or 3 shot burts a semi auto only weapon is not in military definition an assult rifle.
sass225 3 weeks ago
@sass225
So US cops are using crappy vests. And?
Suojeluninja 3 weeks ago
@Suojeluninja Also, what do you define as an "assault rifle", and no 12,7x55 cartridge exists. There is a 12,7x54mm sub-sonic cartridge that was designed by the Soviet Union as a sniping cartridge, but even this is only capable of penetrating heavy body armour at 100m.
norcofreerider604 3 months ago
@norcofreerider604
Said cartridge is still an wildcat so its not surprising that you have not heard from it. Though its based on an already widely used cartidge. Also its supposed to fire sabots and the design is still not past the prototype stage.
My point is that without regulations the "bad guys" would have significantly better weapons than what they currently have.
Suojeluninja 3 months ago
@Suojeluninja You mean better than the stuff we supplied to them in the 80's?
norcofreerider604 3 months ago
@norcofreerider604
Hey even the US army doesn't get all the stuff they wan't to buy due to outdated regulations that prohibit selling military weapons into countries that are involved in an war.
Like the US was not allowed to buy the AMOS system.
Suojeluninja 3 months ago
@Suojeluninja Also, why would you mention an unknown cartridge, then expect me to believe you that it's an "experimental" cartridge. What round is it based on? Which country is designing it? For use in what rifle? How heavy is the projectile? Muzzle velocity? Where can I verify what you've claimed?
norcofreerider604 3 months ago
@norcofreerider604
Just make an 338 Lapua Magnum shorter. Its an project of an local weaponsmith so you can't verify it at the moment. Also its an wildcat not an experimental cartidge if you can make it easily from an already existing one.
Its partially based on the design of the AR-15 your next proper local weaponsmith can make you one if you wan't to have one.
Ok its not the best example. G3 variants that use Win.308 and have sub moa accuracy are also pretty nasty in the wrong hands.
Suojeluninja 3 months ago
@Suojeluninja Well, you gave no information about the cartridge initially, other than claim it was a wildcat... so since I had no information such as the originating cartridge to go from, I assumed it was an original design. What kind of testing has he done on the cartridge to prove its AP abilities? It's an interesting concept, but there's a local company to me that has essentially scaled up and AR-15 to take a full sized .338 Lapua, so I'd prefer that to a shortened wildcat.
norcofreerider604 3 months ago
@norcofreerider604
Simple you can load already existing AP rounds into the cartrige as sabots but more powder and an larger "piston" for the same weight make sure that the bullets have significantly more starting velocity.
Though I'm not sure what sort of velocities he has already achieved.
Also considering the amount of burning gases to the bullet weight it won't have much recoil with an proper muzzle break.
Suojeluninja 3 months ago
@norcofreerider604 I agree with you man. If we destroyed all the guns in the world today the wars will still continue.
scapolaris90 1 month ago
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Savroso 2 years ago 10