Prop 8 debate KTTV Fox 11 LA News

[MamaMario13]

if gay marriage becomes legal, imagine the horrible things that will happen to our children. then imagine we said those things.

as a mother, those things worry me

[gato123452]

@MamaMario13 what horrible things, as a bisexual i do not influence Heterosexuals to become gay, i don't think i am a menace to society lady.

[coolguy852]

@MamaMario13 OK, THIS.. what do your children have to do with gay marriage?!

[MamaMario13]

@coolguy852 they will be taught that being gay is okay in school, Im seriosuly scared that my rights will be taked away!

Honestly though gay people r like nazis, u dont allow christian to have the right to disagree with you. WHy was that poor New York clerk fired for not signing a gay marriage license? I think you people are very cruel and hateful. PLS PLS I BEG YOU LEGISLATORS DONT PASS GAY MARRIAGE, DONT TAKE OUR (CHRISTIANS) RIGGHTS AWAY!!!1

[MamaMario13]

@coolguy852 lol Im joking, Poes law in effect :P

[EatMeCoconut]

I say fox is being Very bias by only letting us listen to the Garner state his arguments alot long than Duran could talk and he was interupted and it seemed to me the station didn't let anyone interupt Garner.

All i see is more of the same thing that is said over and over of these "facts" and arguments that it's Immoral. What about the people who consider is acceptable we are looking more at morals in cases that clearly involve our amendment allowing us to believe in what we see fit.

[seahorse05]

"traditional marriage?" Not at all. Lakota chief Crazy Horse had one or two male spouse(s) and many other Native American nations also had what we now call same-sex marriages. Ethnographers have documented this. Some examples: Omahas, Zapotecs, Mohaves, Crow, Winnebagos, Yumas. Other cultures too. In 17th century Fukian Province China, same-sex marriages between gay men seem to have been common. And in West Africa, "woman marriage[s]" was practiced by many nations.

[mcrmeadows]

Did he just say there is a board that controls what we learn? Thats kind of scary

[yogurtking]

Counsel-man: "The thing is that, every time you PWN me on something I'm just going to switch topics. I learned how to do that in my creationism class."

[yogurtking]

@yogurtking oops, I meant the judge. I think I assumed the smarter one had to be the judge.

[yogurtking]

drinking fountain comparison - win.  here we see the intellectual chasm between two men sitting right next to one another.

and the old "child" argument. this counsel is a douche fuck.

[karleffandy]

Isn't it ironic for America to say yes on prop 8 when it is supporting divorces. Where is the protection of marriage there?! and then, posting the Ten commandments is not allowed in school; why all of the sudden America is claiming verses in the Bible for proposition 8? i'd say there's quite a lot of imbeciles or more in america than the world knows. Peace brothers!

[gjc82071]

All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.

Thomas Jefferson

[meryanoneill]

haha they did a good job of putting him on the spot that being the pro prop 8, i dont think his aging ass could comprehend it, but he contradicted himself many times, and his attempted makeup cover up of his bigotry began to wash off

[Blade5276]

Ive never really cared if gays can marry or not but what angers me beyond all else is the utter hypocrisy of P 8 This country was founded on freedom for all Dr King Lincoln JFK RFK all fought for freedom and equality for every man woman and child living in this country! The Statue of Liberty says "Give me your tired your poor Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" maybe "Gays need not apply" might as well be added If P 8 remains things need to change "FREEDOM FOR SOME" just about says it

[smokeydman]

@FalconCrestlover73 I'm glad you asked for statistics. I'm sending it the your message box. It comes from the center for disease control. It's full of facts.

[smokeydman]

@FalconCrestlover73 I too am Catholic and am aware that the Church forbids homosexuality. My position on homosexuality comes from disease control. It's proven that gay male sex is the higest risk for HIV. Just continue reading what the Bible says about homosexuality. You must change your way.

[MamaMario13]

@smokeydman actually blacks have the highest rates of HIV. Gay sex is perfectly healthy, so keep your hate speech to yourself and stop trolling.

Peace

[smokeydman]

Who the hell are you to be judging people? It says clearly in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin: "Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." and 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

[smokeydman]

@FalconCrestlover73 Only one state out of 50 states idiot. Disgusting perverted gay men's bathhouses are legal everywhere. and again, it's not the same for the reasons I stated above. Just fly back into the closet birdboy.

[smokeydman]

@FalconCrestlover73 LOL, hey leave cingular girl alone birdboy. Just because you've been dumped by women and turned gay as a result, doesn't mean you must turn to hating women. The female form is God's greatest gift to real men not birdmen like U.

[smokeydman]

@FalconCrestlover73 Brothels are against the law here in the USA, gay bathhouses are not. A brothel wouldn't be the same as a bathhouse. In a brothel, a man pays for sex with a prostitute. At a gay bathhouse, a gay man will cruise on other gay men for sex, this disgusting behavior isn't practiced by us str8s.

Tell me where I can cruise on stranger women for anonymous sex and not have to pay for it.

[MrSupercool2cool]

Most of us have sin in our lives & when we are in love with our sin, we will do our best to find justification in God's Holy Word. Through the blood of Christ homosexuals can be free for many have done so. With God nothing is impossible. You are 'NOT BORN THAT WAY' sin is always a matter of choice.Of course, this spirituality & mentality requires total humility, faith, obedience, submission & trust in God. May God help us all.

[idaman12345]

if gays arent born that way when did you choose to be straight

[DarkRoseST]

@MrSupercool2cool There is no proof that you aren't born homosexual. There is actually increasing evidence that homosexuality is linked to genetics.

[cingulargirl22]

:DDDDDDDD prop 8

skanks homos fruitcakes ikes an faggotsget over it

you arent welcome in california

STRAIGT IS THE WAY

[smokeydman]

@cingulargirl22 Yes cingular girl you're so right. Fact is these gay men are this way cuz no woman wants them so they turn to have sex w/ each other. What a disgusting bunch of perverts.

Straight is the way!!! Yes on proposition 8. :)

Enjoy your weekend hun.

[smokeydman]

That gay guy debating against prop 8 looks so fruity. Kinda reminds me a bit of stan laurel. He knows he lost the argument.

[eVVVVV]

'hotathlete2' obsessing about bathhouses again ; "When I even suggest taken away their bathhouses they act like you're trying to take their life away too. Man they are so effen disgusting."

I don't know the numbers but it seems to me a small percentage frequent bathhouses.

Houses of worship spread hate and discrimination far more effectively. Try again.

[hotathlete2]

It'd be better if 0% of gay men frequented bathhouses. They shouldn't be open in the first place.

[eVVVVV]

'hotathlete2' obsesses; "It'd be better if 0% of gay men frequented bathhouses. They shouldn't be open in the first place."

You know how men are. Take football for instance but - let's apply your perspective.

'Those men don't have to be so rough or so many to move balls between goal posts. It's really unnecessarily brutal and injurious to the players. And for what? Let's close down the football stadiums.' Yup, that's what you'd be saying.

[hotathlete2]

Well then, sorry to traumatize you in my suggestion that gay bathhouses be closed.

There's a difference between a sport and an unhealthy gay man's bathhouse. When a football player gets injured, he goes to a doctor to recoop from his injuries. When gay men are screwin each other in the butt and spreading aids, there's no remedy for that!

[eVVVVV]

hotathlete2 obsessing about gay sex again; "When gay men are screwin each other in the butt and spreading aids, there's no remedy for that!"

When applied to str8ts;... "When str8ts are screwin each other in the butt and the pussy spreading aids to their babies, there's no remedy for that!"

So 'hotathlete2', don't you see how you obsess about male to male sex. Doesn't it tell you something about yourself?

We're all beginning to wonder about you.

[hotathlete2]

Hmm, you may have a point there. I maybe gay afterall. I've been getting the urge to wear pink tutus and I instintively painted my apartment shocking pink. I've also been getting an urge to prance into a bathhouse to invite aids into my system. Great, now I can go out infect every person out there w/ my irresponsible lifestyle.

I've already bought 20 year supply of AZT pills for myself and all 5000 of my lovers.

[eVVVVV]

Gosh, hotathlete2 you need help!

Is it because of incredible loneliness from an early age? Feeling so isolated, hated and worthless because your family rejects you? Because of what the bible says of you and what should happen to you. Do you feel ugly because of what you've been told you're entire life?

Why do you think you are taking such risks? Isn't it to feel better and to feel loved?

Please talk to someone about it before you put yourself and others at risk.

[hotathlete2]

No queer. It's just like some disgusting fudgepacker that you are to hurl insult when you can't think of anything better.

My family hasn't rejected, i'm not a queer like you. I choose to live normal and str8. U choose to pack fudge and walk around w/ your dick smelling shit. Slip on your pink tutus and prance into your aids infested bathhouses. Let brucey and pixie give you a nice shot in the buttt of aids. Die faggot.

[eVVVVV]

hotathlete2 rants; "No queer. It's just like some disgusting fudgepacker that you are to hurl insult when you can't think of anything better."

What insult? You've confused me with someone else.

And about your obsession with "fudgepacker"; you certainly realize str8 folks do that too and with probably far more occurrences as a group than queer folks.

(anal sex occurrences heterosexual)

"tried by 35 percent of young women and 40 to 44 percent of young men"

Whose the "fudgepacker" now? LOL!

[hotathlete2]

any type of sex done by straights has to be safer than sex done by gay men. there are alternate forms of sex we participate in that's very safe such as a dick into a vagina to produce another human being.

[eVVVVV]

hotathlete2 "any type of sex done by straights has to be safer than sex done by gay men. there are alternate forms of sex we participate in that's very safe such ... to produce another human being."

Wrong again!

The planet is way, WAY overpopulated. Global warming is a symptom along with pollution.

Because of overpopulation mankind is THE disease organism of the planet causing mass extinctions not seen for millions of years and much more.

So keep it in your pants for at least a few decades.

[hotathlete2]

Why does God give man and womankind the natural urge to have sex. It's to reproduce. He wants for us men to keep our pants down to seduce women and create other human beings. Your dad should've kept his pants zipped up before creating you! That would've meant one less gay pervert to spread aids.

[eVVVVV]

hotathlete2 believes; "He wants for us men to keep our pants down to seduce women..."

If 'He' is a smart 'god', 'He' would say that you should keep it in your pants when appropriate. It has been appropriate for decades if not a century. It's common sense really in an overpopulated world.

But blind 'faith' isn't really about common sense is it? It's about compliance, conformity and not thinking for yourself except to support your addiction to faith.

Queers aren't the problem, it's your kind.

[waster125]

I think your father should have kept his pants up. Another blind idiot.

[hotathlete2]

No,thank God my dad didn't keep his pants up. What resulted from him keepin his pants down are 6 sons and 4 daughters. Of the 6 boys all are straight and 3 are doctors.

I myself don't keep my pants up, I enjoy the ladies and they enjoy me!

[DarkRoseST]

@hotathlete2 With a name like "hotathlete2"...

[hotathlete2]

@DarkRoseST what about the name hotathlete2?

[smokeydman]

Who the hell do you think you are liberace?You talk a whole lotta shit. hotathlete called you a fudgepacker. LOL. it's so true. Reading your comments, you do seem to have mental problems. Get yourself checked out for aids and some cure for your gayness while you're at it.

[smokeydman]

Very well said my friend. You got that down to a tee. This guy, evvvvv trying to compare a sport to a perverse gay lifestyle, what an idiot. You're very smart.

I'm sure these queers all wear pink and lavender tutus in the bathhouses. I'll tell ya what's bullshit, where the hell can we str8 guys go and have anonymous sex w/ hot women? Can you say double standard?

[hotathlete2]

Exactly my friend. These gay perverts can have their bathhouses to have anonymous sex. Where are the one's for us straight men where we can walk around naked and cruise on hot women and fuck them good. Big double standard.

[hotathlete2]

Also football injuries are not contagious, aids is!

[eVVVVV]

hotathlete2 obsesses; "Will gay perversions stop the overpopulation of the earth? absolutely, by the spreading of the aids virus. You are THE disease organism of the planet on every continent not us!"

The combined negative consequences of all the out of control queer sex addicts on the planet PALE in comparison to the dire consequences brought on by the continued exponential population increases by religiously sanctified HETERO sex acts.

You are part of the problem 'hotathlete2'. Try again.

[hotathlete2]

For the life of me, I can't understand gay men. When I even suggest taken away their bathhouses they act like you're trying to take their life away too. Man they are so effen disgusting.

[Vincemendoza86]

are you also suggesting to take away the heterosexual bathhouses as well? try to bring that up and see how much opposition u get

[hotathlete2]

there's no such a thing as a heterosexual bathhouses. If there is, I'd like to know where???

[smokeydman]

LOL, HAHA, You are so stupid! There's no such a thing as a heterosexual bathhouse. Where are they? Where can we str8 guys walk around naked and cruise on women for anonymous sex. U know they're not out there. Thanks for proving my point. You get irrational when the suggestion is made to close down these places of gay perversions. All you gay men are sick!

[davidls11]

moron

[hotathlete2]

Prostitution's been around since the beginning of time. Gay men's bathhouses been w/ us for past 50 years. this coincides w/ the spread of aids. This is why I support prop 8. It's to discourage gay men to attend bathhouses.

[eVVVVV]

hotathlete2 proclaims; "This is why I support prop 8. It's to discourage gay men to attend bathhouses."

Well then, for the good of the planet, you should vote to prevent str8 marriages worldwide because their sexual activity is destroying the planet through overpopulation.

Yes it's true, you have turned humanity into THE disease organism of the planet causing mass extinctions and profound ecological destruction. Allow str8 sex after 30+ years, or when the planet has a chance to recover.

[hotathlete2]

Man, you're so stupid. Did God create Adam & Steve or Adam & Eve? So all us guys are supposed to go around fudgepacking each other, stop populating the earth? Wouldn't that make the human race vanish? Think w/ the head on your shoulder not the one you fudgepack with.

Will gay perversions stop the overpopulation of the earth? absolutely, by the spreading of the aids virus. You are THE disease organism of the planet on every continent not us!

[eVVVVV]

hotathlete2 says; "Prostitution's been around since the beginning of time. Gay men's bathhouses been w/ us for past 50 years. this coincides w/ the spread of aids."

What _ALSO_ coincides with the spread of AIDS is the vaccines made from monkeys and chimps. Some vaccines were given only to gay men in the U.S. during a time they were still very hated and feared and when they were just beginning to organize politically in a significant way.

There is a lot to hide in something you cannot see.

[hotathlete2]

No, what helps to spreads is the gay male anal sex. The lining of the wall along the man's anus is too thin for a penis. When this wall is penetrated, it invites diseases.

The lining of the wall along the women's vagina is made to accomodate the man's penis cuz it's thicker. Plain and simple, the penis was meant for a lady's vagina not supposed to go up some guy's butt.

[eVVVVV]

to 'hotathlete2'; Your obsession with male to male anal sex and your general ignorance about AIDS transmission reveal you to be only a hostile troll with not redeeming value to a functional community discussion.

Since the beginning of human history, the activities you bring up occurred with gay AND str8 people but no epidemic AND no evidence of transmission to humans until the time vaccines were made from primates.

Sexual activity did not cause the epidemic. Humanity is infected gay and str8.

[Vincemendoza86]

im sorry what? lol aids is spread only by gays? what people do on their personal time have NOTHING to do with you

[Alize101586]

Separate drinking fountains? Are they really likening their struggle with the struggle of African Americans?

[Alize101586]

What happens when the kids say, "Daddy, where's my mommy?" or "Mommy, where's my daddy? I want to be with both of my real parents." Just curious. Kids are very smart and as the curious beings they have always been and are, they are going to pose such questions. What do you say? Just tell them the truth or how do you go about this?

[Joe402]

Anyone who voted yes on prop 8 should have their civil rights taken away for a few days, you know, just to see what gays are going through.

[hotathlete2]

Most black people have had their civil rights taken for many years and know what that's like, yet most blacks voted for prop 8. Goes to show, this is not an issue of civil rights but gay rights!

[feenin4u247]

Definition of the word FAG= A bundle of sticks.

Let's all celebrate by gathering a bunch and starting a camp fire

[Alize101586]

The only right you're fighting for is marriage. You have all other rights as an American. Like hotathlete2 said black ppl had little to no civil rights. They had to worry about being lynched everyday, being harrassed and called racial slurs, segregated in schools, theatres, restaurants, etc. It was a lot worse for them than gays.

[Joe402]

"Gays don't suffer as much as black therefore they should put up with not getting more civil rights."-you

get out

[hotathlete2]

absolutely and most important to note is blacks don't chose their color, gay men do.

[ayrawwk]

i think the fact that they talk about kids is just stupid. kids are just as affected with divorced parents. that doesn't mean that people can't or won't get divorced. if they're going to bring kids into it. they should make it right.

[PersonGuyDude1212]

Yay I can marry whoever I love! Well, I love my dog, I think ill marry her. You know what? I love my dad. I think I will marry him too. YAY THREESOME BOOYA!

[WHATNAMETHEN00]

are gay people confuse about their gender?coould it be that it is a disorder?

[football607]

its a swap of hermonz...lol so in a way it is....lol luky your not born with it?

[Siamese25]

I never learned about Marriage when I took sex ed in school. We learned biology... and some things about drugs/depression and other health issues. Not about marriage or love.

[cmnt11]

When Schools teach sex ed they have to teach what happens when people have sex like std's pregnacy etc.Now if prop 8 passed then they have to teach about gay sex which can cause aids and i know that u can catch it either way gay or straight but it originated from gay sex and the schools will have a moral obligation to teach that because it would be more common than it is now.

[eVVVVV]

"they have to teach about gay sex which can cause aids and i know that u can catch it either way gay or straight but it originated from gay sex"

My but aren't you a smart one. Is that faith based 'logic'? Don't change a word. Yes we should have civil rights decided by people like you voting. So qualified. About the sex part, switch the word 'gay' for 'black' and read again what you wrote.

[football607]

lier...AIDz orginated becuse they say someone had sex with a monkey itz spread throw the gay community cuz they hav way more sex....dumbass

[eVVVVV]

football607 "lier...AIDz orginated becuse they say someone had sex with a monkey.."

The original comment was from ' cmnt11'. I replied by quoting him first, then responded with a bit of anger because of the charge AIDS "originated from gay sex". It did not, but we get the blame.

If you're interested in the circumstances that have bearing on the origin of the epidemic do a youtube search for "THE ORIGIN OF AIDS pt 1" there are 6 parts. I recommend it but the origin is a bit more complicated.

[PersonGuyDude1212]

Do not compare Prop 8 to civil rights. Racism is wrong because blacks do not have a CHOICE about being black, yet being gay IS a choice.

[Joe402]

Prop 8 is comparable to the civil rights.

It's you, you are the person holding back humanity.

[PersonGuyDude1212]

Well, I believe it is not. You believe it is; lets just leave it at that if you won't provide an arguement. "It's you, you are the person holding back humanity" Congrats on another vague comment!

[hotathlete2]

It's gay rights not civil rights. If it were civil rights, why did so many african americans vote for prop 8? They want to preserve the few good black men in society. There are too few good black men for black women. This gay issue ruins the black household.

[eVVVVV]

PersonGuyDude1212 "Do not compare Prop 8 to civil rights." Marriage IS a civil right!

"Racism is wrong because blacks do not have a CHOICE about being black, yet being gay IS a choice."

Oh my god. You are steppin' in it big time. LOL

But YOU DO have a choice about acting on your heterosexual urges. Realize your choice IS destroying the planet with overpopulation. The consequences of your sexuality is by far the worst of all! Please all of you hets keep it in your pants for a few decades.

[PersonGuyDude1212]

Ya, so babies = bad, and AIDS = good. Nice reality man.

[eVVVVV]

AIDS? No, you all out do us there too. Your uncontrolled heterosexuality has turned the human population into THE disease organism of the planet. But hey, it's sanctified by god. Or whatever excuse you can think up to justify having sex while the world burns.

Isn't it funny. The most respected sexuality is the one that's actually destroying the world as we know it and eroding the quality of life. It's not at all the gay folks who are bringing down society and destroying civilizations.

[hotathlete2]

Actually gay men are destroying our civilization with their perverted lifestyles, not us heteros. If you want gay laws to pass anywhere do the following: close down all these perverted bath houses, stop that disgusting promiscous lifestyle many of you lead. The str8 community will then have respect for you and help you pass gay marriage.

[sweetadversity]

Give me a break. Think of all the phone sex line's and the ads for female escorts in newspapers and in telephone books. Hookers who walk the street waiting for str8 men to pick them up. When it comes to children being molested both male and female studies show that its done overwhelmingly by str8 men. I agree that the bath houses should be closed and that an overly sexual lifestyle isn't the best life to live but that's a two way street and both gays and str8 are on the road!

[hotathlete2]

phone sex lines don't involve physical contact that can spread diseases. Prostitution is illegal, bathhouses are not.

You're the only gay person I've heard suggest that bathhouses be closed. GOOD FOR YOU. Now go out to the gay community and convince everyone to have these bathhouses closed down 4ever. That'll be the first step in earning our respect and passing gay laws!

[sweetadversity]

Phone sex line don't involve sexual contact therefore there ok? LAME!!! If we're going to act as sexual morality police it has to be fair. Do you think its proper that young people see ads with women barely dress asking them to call and tell her his fantasies? I have a feeling that a str8 guy who calls himself hotathlete2 wouldn't have a problem with such things, only if it were a man asking another man to call...this is about your not being comfortable with sexuality unless its your own!!!

[hotathlete2]

it's not a morality issue with me but the control of STD's. This is why I'm so against the bathhouses and they should be closed down.

[sweetadversity]

I agree 100% but we also have to look at the illegal brothels and the thousands and thousands of escort services that str8 men frequent. Stop being so one side and fixated on the point of your own insecurity and open your mind and then maybe we'll solve some bigger problems in society. Not "gay problems" or "str8 problems" but human problems that affect us all!

[feenin4u247]

hahah most hookers are crossdressers; do an observational study off of SUNSET or just CHECK out all the TGIRLS AND CD's passing on AIDS over at CRAIGSLIST

[sweetadversity]

Call around and talk to a few people that work with sex workers. Ask the people who are in the streets trying to solve these problems and ask them about women who were born female and ask how many of them are working the street or held against there will in brothels all over the world. This problem isn't about being gay or trans or str8 its about society and us not being able to see past all this bullshit and labels so we can finally fix some of our shit. Its sad very very sad!

[eVVVVV]

Read it and weep 'Person1212'. You lose. The Constitution wins.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Loving v. Virginia, U.S. Supreme Court, June 12, 1967

"The freedom to MARRY has long been recognized as one of the VITAL personal RIGHTS essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."

[basketballakev]

Again, these are your opinions on this matter. After all, it is to be expected coming from liberal capital of America in San Fransicko, where the sodomistic creatures dwell.

[eVVVVV]

LOL! My opinions? Hey 'basketballakev', don't take my word for it. Look them up yourself. I'll even help. To which "opinions" were you referring?

My location has nothing to do with the truth. You seem to use "San Fransicko" as a crutch to believe of me (and the points I present) what you MUST to shield yourself from the awful truth that, among other things, the ever increasing consequences of 'sanctified' hetero sex is by far worse for us all than homo sex.

[eVVVVV]

basketballakev "After all, it is to be expected coming from liberal capital of America in San Fransicko, where the sodomistic creatures dwell."

LOL! "sodomistic" ?

Funny how your kind doesn't see THAT is exactly what has been done to us in Law - for centuries.

In addition, culturally or personally forced sexuality is rape! But your kind doesn't see that either.

So tell me... whose the real pervert?

[emsloveesyouuxOxO]

THANK YOU !!!!!!!! how is gay marriage even an issue?! its totally obvious to me that prop 8 should not even be a problem.!!! how could a woman and a woman or a man or a man getting married effect ANYONE else besides them???? and why is it up to the people of the united states to decide who anyone can marry??? that is so fucked up to me and people who say "yes on 8" are actually unconstitutional.

[feenin4u247]

uh no IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL. AMERICA DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR PERVERSION

[namordecai]

Irrelevant. California law now demands that marriage be taught in schools whenever sex ed. is taught. That's just a fact.

[Whytsaber]

Not to sound rude, but concerning Proposition 8, I don't give a SHIT about what your God and your Bible says. You can't PROVE it which pushes me to mention thenon-preferentialist approach to the Establishment Clause in the Bill of Rights First amendment.

[namordecai]

Well, no one in their right mind believes that a man+man=man+woman. THat is pure, mindless dogma that you psychos on the far left embrace as Ultimate Truth.

[Johnkim510]

The real reason why people are for and against this propostion. Marriage=legitimacy in society. people disagree about this legitmacy

[fuseli]

Why are all Yes on 8 people butt ugly? Are they really that cross they can't find anybody they feel the need to ruin it for everybody?

[hotathlete2]

This is not true. I was at a yes on prop 8 rally yesterday. I saw some hot lookin ladies there!

[SystemError]

In the video, William Garner gave more than adequate answers to the next 3 user comments. I grew up in a similar home as you. It was not ideal. But bottom line, mothers cannot "father" and fathers cannot "mother." Neither can two fathers "mother"...neither can two mothers "father" when a child needs one or the other. Having two loving parents is ideal but sometimes the ideal isn't possible (because of death, abuse, divorce, or other circumstances)...but the IDEAL doesn't change. Thank you. :-)

[namordecai]

Good on ya'. So true. I'd like to further add that this was never about civil rights. If you look at at "marriage," as defined by the left, it is the SAME as a domestic partnership, which gays have had and continue to have. Thus, they can still get "married." This was ALWAYS about language and free speech. Specifically the free speech of our cultural heritage and the free speech of parents regarding their children without teachers undermining their authority on such an important value.

[o0MyValentina0o]

By William Garner my psyche is forever destroyed because my mother decided to divorce my abusive father and be a single mother. I would have been better off being beat every night I guess that's why I believe in equal rights for all. Damn my daddy should have been around to beat some sense into me. Rights for everybody how dumb of me to believe that's the way our nation should be. Let's just go back and say women should not have the right to vote, I mean we are inferior to men anyway!!!!

[rougen]

Most intelligent comment on the page award. Congrats, you earned it.

[spdskt]

In my opinion you shouldn't teach marriage at all in school. Just because the school is teaching your views its OK but when its flipped its now a problem. And about what the judge said about kids that are missing a father-figure get into more troble. Do you think it has to do with that there is only one adult watching the kid and the single parent cant give the attention needed(needs to consider all variables). There needs to be studies on same sex marriage inorder to determine that.

[namordecai]

One study shows that children of lesbian couples ask questions like, "Didn't you like daddy?" and, "Didn't daddy want me?" That is not a good feeling for a child. Studies show that fathers (not mothers) help boys avoid anti-social behavior and help girls to have the confidence to say no to sexual advances in their youth. Only 50% of gay people want children. Only 50% of gay men think monogamy is important in committed relationships. This will effect how people view marriage and behave inmarriage

[rougen]

Okay, retard.

First, that study was pulled out of your ass, but I'll assume that it wasn't and continue.

If what you said above was true, then every adopted child would ask the same question "Didn't daddy want me?"

If what you said above was true, then single mothers would all have anti-social children.

Now, consider this...

Children without a mother tend to seek a female role model.

Children without a father tend to seek a male role model.

Now that you know this, make an educated comeback...

[namordecai]

Actually, only children in lesbian homes or single mother homes tend to ask, "Didn't daddy want me." Adopted into a home with a mother and father, the need for male acceptance and love is filled. Also, single mothers are FAR more prone to have anti-social children, in fact. Also, this is simply about statistical facts. My initial post WAS the education. Your post is simply mindless drivel.

[booradley800]

I think this Judge knows what he is talking about. 96% of schools teach about marriage and the law will require them to teach about homosexual marriage.

Parents will not be allowed to opt out. In Masachusettes, there is an opt out option also, but the education system worded it in a such a way, that teaching homosexuality doesn't fall under the opt out option.

Research the facts.

You will see that a YES on 8 is the only way to protect children's rights and homosexuals' rights.

[PixieGal262]

I completely agree with the No on 8 people. This is about religious tyranny. This is about religious people forcing their will on the masses.

Jonthebaptist is right: if the majority of Americans got their way, we'd still be slaves in this country.

[benjamnt]

I just read an L.A. Times article that said the Yes on 8 "protesters" were hostile and the No supporters were friendly. The footage in the clip suggests just the opposite. Also, a lot of "out-of-state" money has come in for Prop 8, mostly on the "No" side with about 33% of their funds from out-of-staters.

[danzindaizy]

I would agree with the judge. This is not about civil rights. It is indisputable that a child needs both a mother and a father. There are well-meaning gay couples who adopt children, but it is undeniable that the welfare of the child increases when there is both a mother and a father in the home.

[RYANTUCKER4]

What about single parents?

[bebelove110]

I am understanding more and more each day just how important it is to pass Prop 8. It's not about rights- same sex couples already have all the same rights through domestic partnerships. It's about changing the age old definition of a word and forcing everyone else to view it as normal. 96% of schools (that's how many choose to teach sex ed) are required to teach about marriage. I don't want my children being taught marriage is between Party A and Party B. YES on 8!

[doogie5151]

The judge was both articulate and extremely well-informed."No on 8" voters don't seem to like that.If Prop 8 doesn't pass, children will be taught in schools that same sex marriage is on a par with heterosexual marriage.Parents will not have opt out rights.Children in their formative years-perhaps developing their own sexuality-don't need that influence.Parents should have the right to teach their own children values in their own homes--not have others' values forced on their children in school.

[jonthebaptist666]

You obviously do not know that California has an opt-out policy for education. Besides, you have convoluted two different issues. Even if we didn't have an opt-out policy, this is no reason to reject equal rights. If we didn't have such a policy, that could be voted in later, it is no reason to reject principles of democracy for religious tyranny.

[danzindaizy]

There isn't a single time in CA when the opt-out policy has been honored with respect to this issue. This is not about civil rights or unalienable rights. Marriage is an insitution created by the will of the people IN that society. Second, every adult already has the "right" to marry within set boundaries. Anyone would agree that a democracy upholds religious freedom, which IS a right and which Proposition 8 honors. Let's let the will of the people speak louder than 4 government officials.

[jonthebaptist666]

First off, I know the opt-out policy works because my parents, who happen to be members of a very extreme wing of christianity, opted me out of everything the saw objectionable, and I was allowed to leave. Also, two of the students of the lesbian teacher were not at the field trip because their parents declined the trip for them.

[jonthebaptist666]

On your second point that our constitution must always agree with the majority opinion; If the majority got its say all the time, slavery, interracial marriage, and Jim Crow laws would never have been overturned. Just because a majority thinks it is okay to take away a minority's rights, doesn't make it okay. Prop 8 is not about religious freedom, it is about imposing religion on others. Your religious opinion on marriage doesn't warrant it being a principle of the constitution.

[jonthebaptist666]

When will you realize that you can still think that homosexuality is an abomination even if gays can legally marry? your religion, your marriage, your way of life, your children's education will not be affected by allowing gays to marry. You still have the religious freedom to preach that it is sin. However, you do not have the right to limit someone else's rights to experience life by imposing your faith.

NO ON 8!!!

NO TO RELIGIOUS TYRANNY!!!

[trevnuke]

Judge knows the law. Too bad he wasn't sitting on the bench for the Supreme Court when the chief judge kowtowed to the gay rights pressure and created a right that never before existed.

Yes on 8!

[pkiverson]

Children are going to learn about gay people whether or not you or their teachers talk to them about it. Wouldn't you rather they are well informed, and learn to be tolerant of different people? I think this is what Christianity teaches. I don't know what people are so afraid of.

[FacelessFacade]

They don't want their kids to even know that gay people exist. THEY WANT TO DENY REALITY JUST LIKE THEY WANT TO MAKE INTELLIGENT DESIGN AND THE IDEA THAT MAN SLEPT WITH DINOSAURS EQUAL INTELLECTUALLY TO EVOLUTION.

What they don't understand is that they can not change reality by passing this measure. Truth is that thing that all religious fundamentalists fear most - that is why they so desperately try to silence it. Truth is like a fossil it may be burried deep but it will surface and be known.

[baysickleebuck]

They will learn about gay people. The hope is that it will be from their parents. Christianity teaches to be tolerant of people, but Christ taught, "For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance." Being tolerant of people is different from their actions. Christ came to save us from our sin, not in our sin.

[Johnkim510]

where did you get this quote from "Christ"? That quote does not exist in the bible.

[rougen]

Okay, you brought religion up, flame time.

Being tolerant of people: How can you say that by forcing a separate but equal law on homosexuals that this solves anything? Are you retarded or just ignorant?

Also, that wasn't Jesus you idiot. Jesus NEVER said "I the Lord" let alone all of the other stuff you pulled out of your ass. Instead of typing this, next time try using a REAL quote?

Christianity: Why aren't Church and State separate...? This should be common sense, even to you idiots...

[namordecai]

This is NOT separate but equal, you ignoramouses. You're not f'ing Black and quit pretending to be, posers. This is different names for DIFFERENT things, you moral cretins. Geze. No one is SEPARATING you the way Black people were. They are keeping a social institution in its place, where it belongs, below marriage. Marriage is not a PERSON, either. It's a THING. So this is not about the equality or inequality of gay people. It's the ROLE they play, not reproducing, not having mom&dad in home.

[sfphilboy]

When people don't have the same rights, that is inequality so you are wrong about that. Also, people who are gay are not "playing a role", they are being who they are. Why would someone choose to be gay and deal with hate and discrimination? Finally, you should be thanking anyone who chooses not to reproduce. The Earth is only so big and we are overpopulating it and destroying it. Maybe we need more gays and fewer welfare queens with nine kids.

[namordecai]

They DO have the same rights. They can marry the opposite sex, in fact. They just DO NOT want to. Also, gay people DO play a role in society (figuratively speaking, of course). It's just not an important one, typically (other than those who adopt the unadoptable, which is good). Lastly, it is not your right to demand that certain people have fewer children. You should stay out of people's procreative business and mind your own instead.

[baysickleebuck]

First of all, Jesus did in fact say that in the scriptures I referenced. Those volumes of scripture are not from the Bible as stated.

Secondly, marriage began long before government. Government implemented marriage into it to protect it. Therefore the problem is because our government choose to mix church and state. Go blame the founding fathers if you like.

Compromise. Use a term like "civil union" under which give gays receive the same rights. Marriage is protected, rights are too. Game over.

[Whytsaber]

You bring up a very interesting point and it is indeed the best argument I have heard yet. However, I still don't agree. Correct me if I am wrong, but their are religious homosexuals, right? Seems to me that they might want to share in the same religious practices as others of their faith. If your rebuttal now is to say that the Bible doesn't condone homosexuality, neither does it arguing, and so in the same right YOU should be denied the right to marry as well, correct?

[sfphilboy]

First of all, you have no idea what Jesus did and did not say. You're getting your information from a book that also claims an old man named Noah built a boat and got two of every species of animal on Earth to have sex on it. How irrational does someone need to be to buy in to this crap. Also, Gays DO NOT receive equal rights in Civil Unions.

[cmnt11]

if you don't think that Noah existed due yourself a favor and watch this debate just about this issue 1 scientest vs 3 on youtube the video is called "kent hovind debate vs three scientist p.h.d 1-15" you might find it interesting and maybe change your view on the subject.

[cmnt11]

if you don't think that Noah existed due yourself a favor and watch this debate just about this issue 1 scientest vs 3 on youtube the video is called "kent hovind debate vs three scientist p.h.d 1-15" you might find it interesting and maybe change your view on the subject.

[SucculentSaskie]

Hovind? Really? Yep, that's some good science right there.

[agentbong138]

Gay's do recieve the same rights in a civil union, tax benefits, medical benefits, next of kin... etc. You are uninformed if you think otherwise. These fags do not need a marriage license. Marriage is traditionally for a man and a woman, and my kids do not need to be taught otherwise. Keep your fuckin warped relationships to yourself sfphilboy, if you wanna suck some dudes dick, go for it, but the rest of us don't wanna hear about it.

[sfphilboy]

What your kids don't need is to have your hate and intolerance passed on to them. They have my sympathy.

[pkiverson]

I will agree that the man arguing the no position didn't do much justice to the argument. The fact is that gay marriage protects children more than it harms them. Who is protecting the children of gay couples? AND why is it such a terrible thing for children to learn about the diversity of America. There are at least 1 million children being raised by gay couples in this country. Wouldn't you rather your child learned something about this and learned to be tolerant even if you don't agree?

[hotathlete2]

tolerance is taught by hetero couples, gay perversions should never be taught to children by anyone!

[booradley800]

Sounds like the judge has a bit more wisdom and intelligence. He knew the laws and the realities of the issue. The other participant was looking at the issue very narrow-mindedly. That is that only the desires of the adult matter.

This actually effects children and society has a whole.

I agree with the Judge. All couples have the same rights currently, but to change a definition, a tradition that has significant meaning for all, would be destructive.

A YES on 8 for me!