@DaRkLORDnUb Liquid nitrogen just gets things very cold... Things with a lot of water (like fruit) freeze and crack. Other things (like metals) just get very, very cold.
Obviously, Conservation of Energy (and Entropy) still has to apply.
The energy required to cool down the magnet will always be greater than the kinetic energy and sum of forces of acceleration (e.g. using a piece of paper to give the magnet a push) times distance. Although, I'm sure, the difference btw the energy input and the useful work of transport done is very small
(i.e. highly efficient) for this technology, compared to other technologies
@saloniSurana In order to get it to stay on the track you have to have enhanced flux pinning. This is not easy to accomplish, and also too long for a YouTube reply!
@brenck The information to build a track is included in our paper linked in the description. The only difference is we bought our superconductors from a company in Germany for $700.
If your track is 10kg and your superconductor is 100g, and you put it all on a scale. Would the scale show 10kg? Or would it be effexted by the superconductor and become 10 100kg? Like, if the weight of the superconductor added to the overall weight eaven if it levitates? I'm in 11th(16 years old) grade so sorry if it's a stupid question.
@enocon22 Great question. The scale will read 10kg + 100 g, the mass of the track AND the superconductor. It will read this when it is levitating and when it warms up, stops levitating, and falls to the track. Take physics in the 12th grade, and you'll learn exactly why this happens!
@DaRkLORDnUb The information to build a track is included in our paper linked in the description. The only difference is we bought our superconductors from a company in Germany for $700.
@DaRkLORDnUb Check out the paper linked in the description, it tells you how to build the track. We bought our superconductor from a company in Germany.
@enocon22 At 5:10 you see the loop moving a little bit when the superconductor passes by, meaning that gravity still plays a role in this.
It actually is pretty obvious, as the permanent magnet pushes the superconductor up with magnet fields, the superconductor also pushes the magnet down with the same magnet fields.
@enocon22 well, the superconductor is holding from somewhere, and that is from the force between the track and the superconductor, so basically it is holding from the track, so the weight is resting on the track.
well, that's my conclusion, it makes sense but im 16 as well :P
@danger2society78 No, the electrons in the wire wouldn’t feel a force. If it were a loop instead, they would move, but their movement would be miniscule – you wouldn’t get any current out of that loop.
@bayian There's only one puck in this video, just insulated one is insulated and the other is not. The only place I can find to buy these superconductors now is a company in Germany. They are about 1 inch in diameter. We can make 1/2 inch diameter pucks at Ithaca College and are working to grow 1-inch diameter pucks. We sell the small ones for $50.
I have a question... If the superconductor was released on the track with the loop, and the track was contained within a vacuum, would the superconductor slow down and stop quickly, like in the video? Or would the motion be perpetual?
@keildouglas It would eventually stop, but not because of air resistance. The joints in the magnets create a slightly non-uniform magnetic field which causes what's essentially magnetic friction inside the superconductor. This friction will slow the superconductor down.
Also, it will warm up eventually, and stop superconducting, and when it does, it will not work at all, of course.
@Joelalati It's actually mostly magnetic friction that slows it down, so we could remove the air friction by putting it in a vacuum, but that won't help very much.
In the very first experiment, you say the magnet allows no magnetic field inside, however you mention you're using liquid nitrogen, which implies that it's a type II superconductor and will allow field inside (and it does look like there's some flux pinning going on).
Also you mention that it doesn't allow field inside by becoming a magnet. I was under the impression that external magnetic fields create currents inside which have field lines in opposition to the external field?
@jellington90 Yes, you are absolutely right; the information in the voiceover is simplified so we can discuss the basics of what is happening without going into details about superconductivity too much.
The superconductor is YBCO, or Y-123 (YBa2Cu3O7) and is type-II, so it admits some magnetic field. It suspends below the track because it can also pin the magnetic flux, as you point out.
My group and I are attempting a similar project and came across a problem with the track. When we place the magnets much like you do on your experiment (S-N-S..), whenever the superconductor comes to the end of one magnet, where it would transition over to the other magnet, it stops and changes direction. Is there a way to prevent this from occurring? Thank you in advance.
@MrTurkishDelightx Are you sure the magnets are magnetized through their thickness, and not end-to-end? End-to-end is the case with typical bar magnets.
Take a look at the paper we wrote (the link is in the description) and see if the diagrams there answer your question. If not, feel free to email me with pictures of your track.
How did you make the puck? What was used for insulation? Also, do you hav any recommendations if the puck is to go upside down? I'm using 1" x 0.5" x 0.25" Thick NdFeB Rare Earth Magnets n42, will that be strong enough?
@diehardskifreak93 Check out the link in the description, it will tell you how we made the track and the insulation we used. The magnets you propose to use will work fine.
Where did you get the superconductor? We're trying to grow them here at Ithaca College, I don't know of a place to get them cheaply.
@IthacaCollegePhysics The ones we are using are not ideal. I believe they are from Colorado Superconductor Inc. We used YBCO I think and they are expensive and not very big, but it might be worth a look. I looked up the paper you guys wrote, but I was wondering what you did to easily replenish the puck with liquid nitrogen. Is part of it easily detachable?
@diehardskifreak93 Yes, we have a couple from Colorado Superconductor. They're the only ones still making them in the USA as far as I know.
We didn't have any kind of liquid storage device for the pucks -- it made them too heavy. We just wrapped them in insulation and then cooled them, and then removed them from the liquid nitrogen and let them warm up slowly in the air.
@brtos We bought ours for $125. The company we bought them from doesn't make them anymore, we have found a place in Germany that sells them for $700. We hope to be able to grow them at Ithaca College by August 2011, and we plan to sell them to other people interested in making demonstrations for $125.
@dman1z90 You can get very small one from Colorado superconductor for about $100. Large, nice ones are $700 from a German company. We hope to be able to grow them here at Ithaca College by August 2011, and we plan to sell them to other people interested in making demonstrations for $125.
@baijokull We can grow small ones, 1/2-inch diameter pucks. We're working to grow larger ones now. The larger ones are more impressive for the demonstrations, of course.
We will sell them to anyone interested in making a demonstration or using them for science outreach. We only charge the cost of the starting materials, which for the small ones is about $50.
@jh014809 They've stopped making them since we wrote the paper. We're working to grow crystals here at Ithaca College, we can grow small ones and hope to be able to grow large ones by the end of summer 2011.
@chrixthegreat You're right -- the Earth's field is about 50 microTesla (0.00005 T). The field from the strong permanent magnets is about 1.5 Telsa -- 30,000 times larger! That's why the superconductors don't levitate in the Earth's field.
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how much we need of weight of superconductor to make it able to left heavy subjects attached to a metal. I can see that when you push a little bit harder the magnet and the superconductor still touch each other ... how to make it much stronger carrier?!
@haqona It's not the size of the superconductor, but the quality. Lots of scientists re trying to make better quality superconductors, and what they are trying to do is too complicated to discuss here.
@L00NGB00W The superconductor would still stop because the field changes, as you say. The perpendicular magnets just make the field change more abrupt so the brakes are more dramatic.
@portugalbetaEalfa All cuprate superconductors (high-temperature superconductors) are type-II. You can't get flux-pinning in a type-I superconductor. This is YBa2Cu3O7, sometimes called YBCO or Y-123. It has a Tc of about 93 K and it is strongly type-II.
so, how long would you say it's gonna take to use this concept in everyday vehicles? i saw on NatGeo or it might have been History, but anyway, New York is going to replace all the power lines with underground superconductor's. if its successful or if it works and saves lots of money for New York, then do you think its possible for us to change our infrastructure to use magnetic cars? if superconducting becomes that easy, then shouldn't we use it for a better infrastructure?
@Twixgtx We still have to keep the superconductors cold, so superconducting power lines are only economic in big cities that need a lot of power (like New York City). We're still looking for room-temperature superconductors, and when we find them, the whole world will change. Until then, our infrastructure probably won't change too much (though superconducting MagLev trains are in the works).
@IthacaCollegePhysics thx! here's another question, has the technology in producing liquid nitrogen been going foward? in other words, is the process taking up less space than 20 years ago and less time? i'm just really curious about this kind of thing cuz it has a lot of potential to change the world. imagine seeing people walking in the grass, in shade while drivers glide across a track above them. and imagine a world where the most used fuel is the most abundant resource in the atmosphere.
@Twixgtx Liquid nitrogen is currently less expensive than gasoline -- about $2.50/gallon. So we can make a lot of nitrogen very cheaply, like you say, we just take it from the air. But there are no plans to turn it into a fuel, and it can be dangerous in liquid form (though no more dangerous than gasoline). So, to answer your question, the technology is already in place to make lots of LN2 cheaply -- there's just need for it (at least not like gasoline).
@stludachris Naturally, I can't say much about UFOs. However, I can say that the Earth's magnetic field is not strong enough to levitate anything, much less a hypothetical spaceship.
And these experiments do make sound. Check out our other videos, we haven't muted the soundtrack.
@stludachris Ok if you say so. If you really believe in UFO, then you believe in alien, not talking about Mexican or aircraft from other country. Ok so we are on the same page. Your talking about photoshop images. So if you believe it then there is no further to go with you cause your a mentally redneck, hillbilly, cracker jacker, insane clown pussy.
@delvinmacmillen18 most every scientist, astronomer, astrophysicist, etc... agrees that the probability that there is alien life somewhere else in the universe is high. the universe is so large that our minds, let alone your puny brain, can't even comprehend it. have you ever seen the photo of the pale blue dot (90's voyager 1's picture of earth)....if not look into it and shut up.
@stludachris I agree with you that there is a possibility that there is other live form out there. But when i say UFO you think of big circle aircraft or triangle, or if i say alien you think skinny, short, big eye looking creature. Why cause you watch to many people that loose there sense reality. You believe what you see. I believe there is other life form out in space. I dont believe they look like that or fly big saucers. If there is alien, i believe they dont look like how everyone thought
@stludachris I believe life form in outer space mite be microscopic, or the size of a dog or human. You can ask anyone. What first comes to mind when you say alien? And they will describe the average looking alien people show cause that is what they put in you head, also the same thing go for UFO. Is there life form out in space? I dont know. No one know for show. There is no evidence. So until then that is all fake. And if there is life out there i dont think they had visited earth or smart.
@stludachris And i just seen there picture of that dot. Hmmmmmm. Look like a star. Dumb shit Your retarded. What proof does that makes? There has been alot of picture where things appear and cant be explained. What kinda evidence do you have to prove to me that is a UFO or life form? Shit. Go suck a alien penis if they have one. How do they reproduce?
@delvinmacmillen18 you must be an idiot...its NOT a UFO or life form...the pale blue dot is voyager's view of our EARTH from over 3.7 BILLION miles away... So as far as life form's being on that pale blue dot, it is everyone you know and love and basically everything you have ever known is in that one little tiny pale blue dot of a spec. Now did you see the rest of the billions and billions and billions of dots in that photograph? Ever heard of probabilities? Geesh...
After posting my last comment i went and read your paper it pretty much answered most of my question except one. Due you have any adhesive between the magnets that make up the track?
I realized that we initially tried to build the track on a sheet of metal that was to thin, so the attractive force between the magnets and metal was overcome by the repulsive force between the magnets causing them to separate. After realizing that, I got a 3' x 18" x0.25" steel plate and successfully built a circular track (took 10hr). In my set up we are using a Bi2Sr2Ca2Cu3O10 superconductor. It experiences little flux pinning, as a result, it ends up falling off the track at higher speeds.
I'm in the process of making a maglev train for a school project and am wandering what the orientation of the magnets on the track are with respect to their poles. If the south poles are in the middle and the north poles on the edges, how did you get them to stay together this way? Also after watching your video i am now worried that i made a bad investment in buying BSCCO superconductors for this project, seeing as how its not a flux pinning disk...
@lubanks The magnets are magnetized through their thickness, not along their length like typical bar magnets. They actually stick together quite easily. See our paper (the link is in the description) for more information.
Yes, BSCCO is not a good choice; it has to be a flux-pinning superconductor. We are growing them here at Ithaca College and hope to have some ready to sell for projects like your by the end of the summer.
Just wondering if you have compared the efficiency of your superconductor on the 'rollercoaster' to the efficiency of a normal small metal ball. Should be interesting!
@Kardenum : Unfortunately, the roller coaster is very inefficient it only goes around once or twice. With this bumpy track, thats better than a small aluminum ball can do, however.
The Earth's magnetic field is too weak to be able to support something as large as a UFO, even if we could make superconductors the size of a car and keep them below the superconducting transition temperature.
I know that this is true for magnetic suspension, but does the superconductor have to be an enhanced flux-pinning superconductor for the levitation part? Or will a normal YBCO superconductor work?
All YBCO pucks have some flux pinning. Without enhanced flux pinning, the YBCO will levitate and will sort-of stay on the track. But it definitely won't suspend below it.
I found you can buy normal YBCO and BSCCO superconductors with diameters up to about an inch online (Colorado Superconductors), But I can't seem to find enhanced flux pinning ones larger than half an inch in diameter.
Colorado Superconductor is pretty much the only place that makes pucks now, and as you say, their flux-pinning pucks are small. The place where we got ours no longer makes them, unfortunately. We found another place in Germany that makes them for like 500 euros (~$800), but that's too expensive for most people.
We're trying to grow our own here at Ithaca College and will give them out when we succeed. We're pretty close, we'll have large flux-pinning pucks probably in another six months or so.
@IthacaCollegePhysics Wow, you remembered after all this time! Well, you're just in time, I was thinking of getting some superconductors this summer. I look forward to hearing from you again when you're done. Best of luck!
have you tried suspending the superconductor and using a magnetic field to rotate it then measure the weight of an object placed directly over it to see if the weight decreased?
I'm not sure I follow. If I have a superconductor on a scale that weighs 1 N (1 newton). If my track weighs 10 N, when the superconductor levitates above the track, the scale will still read 11 N, whether the superconductor is levitating or not. Adding something above the superconductor won't make a difference.
It might be problematic to make a vacuum chamber for some of these demonstrations, but It'd be worth the trouble!
The "full pipe" demo is super-cool (pardon the pun), but it demonstrates entropy with air resistance. If you could do that in a near-perfect vacuum, how long would the super-conductor "ride?" How long would a magnet spin? I'd LOVE to see that!
Thanks for the comment. We had a great time making the demo and showing it to people here on YouTube.
Unfortunately, it's not air resistance that slows it down. At the joints of the magnets, the magnetic field isn't constant. Those slight changes in the field cause the superconductor to slow down -- it's magnetic drag. To get rid of that, we have to have completely uniform field, and there's no easy way to do that.
The place where we bought ours (SCI Engineered materials) doesn't make them anymore. We're trying to find a new place to buy them or learn to make them ourselves. Until then, we don't know where to find one either.
i will very appreciate it your answering me again.
(sorry if i was lack retree in English)
wht i really want to know tht is the weight (when all of these superconducting system put on the weighing machine ,it been cooling down and later a magnet put on and levitated,
just observation and its weight still constant "after and before" a magnet have there??)
Suppose you have a superconductor on a scale that weighs 1 N (1 newton). You have a magnet that weighs 0.1 N. When you place the magnet above the superconductor, the scale will read 1.1 N -- whether the magnet is levitating or not.
No material has been found to superconduct above -135 Celsius (about -250 degrees Fahrenheit). Dry ice is about -110 degrees Fahrenheit, so we've a long way to go just to reach dry ice temperatures.
hi, i'm only 13(and i know'age doesn't matter') but my school will probably never teach me this and i was just wondering if anyone could give more information about it and if this is what they use on the japanese magnetic tracks.
Levitation occurs due to the expulsion of magnetic fields, creating a magnetic force to float it above the track. It suspends below the track due to magnetic field trapping. This tends to keep the field constant so it does not want to change, hence it will fight gravity to keep the magnetic field constant.
There is one train in Japan that uses superconductors like this. Most MagLev trains use electromagnets.
Hey again. I managed to replicate the track. However, when the superconductor levitates, it seems to meet resistance at the points where the rows of magnets connect. I was wondering how I could fix this and get the magnet levitating freely. Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks!
can i use this video in my report? i'm a little short in money and i can't find some of the materials needed for this experiment here in my place, only for a visual aid?...tnx.
I was hoping to reproduce the magnetic track experiment, and was wondering where to obtain the type 410 steel and shim shocks. I would appreciate it if anyone could let me know about this.
Ormus particles are another example of pseudo-science. Trust me, if we had room-temperature superconductors, the world would be quite different, and whoever discovered them would be universally famous.
ok ok. it has never been proven. i hear we've only learned about ormes within the last 12 years? should ppl not even study ormes? is it a waste of time? researchers admit they know very little about it.
I can find no mention of ORMEs or ORMUS in any reputable scientific journal. I do not presume to say what scientists should or should not study; however, I cannot accept the wild claims the websites make in regards to ORMUS particles without data and research to back up their claims. Such research would be published in scientific journals where would undergo peer review. Without peer review and without being published, it is just pseudo-science, as believable as a fairy tale.
They work on levitation via magnets, but usually they use two electromagnets, rather than magnets and superconductors. I think there's only one train in Japan, and only for a few kilometers, that uses superconductors.
We used liquid nitrogen -- liquid hydrogen is much colder (about 20 kelvin, as opposed to 77 kelvin for nitrogen), and much more dangerous.
Unfortunately, no one has discovered a room-temperature superconductor (yet), and the material has to be cold in order to superconduct. Without the liquid nitrogen, it is just a rather boring, expensive, brittle rock.
Whoever discovers a superconductor that does not require cooling will 1: become rich and famous, and 2: win the Nobel Prize in Physics.
Pretty well, currently there are two trains that use the same principle with third in construction. They are pretty expansive, but I think this is the future of trains as a hole.
You mentioned that it was a "type 2" super conductor, what is "type 1" and what does the types mean?
sivadfa 1 month ago
I thought liquid nitrogen cracked everything..... How does this work?
DaRkLORDnUb 2 months ago
@DaRkLORDnUb Liquid nitrogen just gets things very cold... Things with a lot of water (like fruit) freeze and crack. Other things (like metals) just get very, very cold.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 months ago 6
@IthacaCollegePhysics Thanks!
DaRkLORDnUb 2 months ago
Obviously, Conservation of Energy (and Entropy) still has to apply.
The energy required to cool down the magnet will always be greater than the kinetic energy and sum of forces of acceleration (e.g. using a piece of paper to give the magnet a push) times distance. Although, I'm sure, the difference btw the energy input and the useful work of transport done is very small
(i.e. highly efficient) for this technology, compared to other technologies
(like an ICE!).
mphello 2 months ago
@saloniSurana where did you get YBCO???
DrinkUrPruneJuice77 2 months ago
@DrinkUrPruneJuice77 We bought our from a company in Germany, evico.de. They cost about $700.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 months ago
i made a YBCO superconductor but it is not working. can we do something do make it successful??
saloniSurana 2 months ago
@saloniSurana In order to get it to stay on the track you have to have enhanced flux pinning. This is not easy to accomplish, and also too long for a YouTube reply!
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 months ago
can u please explain me what is vortex and flux exactly as i am in 11th grade only.
saloniSurana 2 months ago
@saloniSurana Sorry, that is too complicated for a YouTube comment! I suggest you look on Wikipedia for magnetic flux vortex.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 months ago
if you put this in a vacuum chamber, could it move without stopping?
because the only friction is made by air, i guess
JosePablo24 2 months ago
@JosePablo24 No, there is a lot of what is essentially magnetic friction -- it will still stop moving because of the joints in the magnets.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 months ago
@IthacaCollegePhysics magnetic friction? like because of the inconsistency of forces? =P
JosePablo24 2 months ago
4 people don't understand whats happening with the superconductor
2milehigh 3 months ago
Where do I buy a superconductor? Is there something I can open to get one from?
brenck 3 months ago
@brenck The information to build a track is included in our paper linked in the description. The only difference is we bought our superconductors from a company in Germany for $700.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 months ago
The roller-coaster possibilities are endless!
XxXIANXxXXxXIANXxX 3 months ago 2
Is this magnet Neodymium?
themrfj 3 months ago
@themrfj Yes, the magnets are NdBFe magnets.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 months ago
Now all we need to do is find a superconducter that works at room temperature.
emperorofcheese27 3 months ago
If your track is 10kg and your superconductor is 100g, and you put it all on a scale. Would the scale show 10kg? Or would it be effexted by the superconductor and become 10 100kg? Like, if the weight of the superconductor added to the overall weight eaven if it levitates? I'm in 11th(16 years old) grade so sorry if it's a stupid question.
enocon22 3 months ago 13
@enocon22 Great question. The scale will read 10kg + 100 g, the mass of the track AND the superconductor. It will read this when it is levitating and when it warms up, stops levitating, and falls to the track. Take physics in the 12th grade, and you'll learn exactly why this happens!
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 months ago 4
@IthacaCollegePhysics Okey, thanks :)
enocon22 3 months ago
@IthacaCollegePhysics Could you give me the supplies on how to build a super conductor?
DaRkLORDnUb 2 months ago
@DaRkLORDnUb The information to build a track is included in our paper linked in the description. The only difference is we bought our superconductors from a company in Germany for $700.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 months ago
@DaRkLORDnUb Check out the paper linked in the description, it tells you how to build the track. We bought our superconductor from a company in Germany.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 months ago
@enocon22 At 5:10 you see the loop moving a little bit when the superconductor passes by, meaning that gravity still plays a role in this.
It actually is pretty obvious, as the permanent magnet pushes the superconductor up with magnet fields, the superconductor also pushes the magnet down with the same magnet fields.
Ollie1405 3 months ago
@enocon22 well, the superconductor is holding from somewhere, and that is from the force between the track and the superconductor, so basically it is holding from the track, so the weight is resting on the track.
well, that's my conclusion, it makes sense but im 16 as well :P
JosePablo24 2 months ago
@JosePablo24 Thats what I thought, thx :)
enocon22 2 months ago
@enocon22 It's okay. I am only in 7th grade XD
DaRkLORDnUb 2 months ago
@enocon22 It would weigh in at 10.1kg
delightfullyshit 1 month ago
If a copper wire was placed between the superconductor and the magnets would the wire's electrons flow in a certain direction?
danger2society78 3 months ago
@danger2society78 No, the electrons in the wire wouldn’t feel a force. If it were a loop instead, they would move, but their movement would be miniscule – you wouldn’t get any current out of that loop.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 months ago
360p that wants to be 240p
drumaboy013 3 months ago
I would like to know the dimensions for a larger puck and the dimensions for the smaller puck and how much each cost. Thanks
bayian 3 months ago
@bayian There's only one puck in this video, just insulated one is insulated and the other is not. The only place I can find to buy these superconductors now is a company in Germany. They are about 1 inch in diameter. We can make 1/2 inch diameter pucks at Ithaca College and are working to grow 1-inch diameter pucks. We sell the small ones for $50.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 months ago
I have a question... If the superconductor was released on the track with the loop, and the track was contained within a vacuum, would the superconductor slow down and stop quickly, like in the video? Or would the motion be perpetual?
keildouglas 3 months ago
@keildouglas It would eventually stop, but not because of air resistance. The joints in the magnets create a slightly non-uniform magnetic field which causes what's essentially magnetic friction inside the superconductor. This friction will slow the superconductor down.
Also, it will warm up eventually, and stop superconducting, and when it does, it will not work at all, of course.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 months ago 2
Great drinking game here, you gotta take a shot every time he says "superconductor", you would get so wasted.
psymon777 3 months ago
5:20 for you thumbnailers
ipaqmaster 3 months ago 8
try the rollercoaster in an evacuated enclosure
Joelalati 7 months ago
@Joelalati It's actually mostly magnetic friction that slows it down, so we could remove the air friction by putting it in a vacuum, but that won't help very much.
IthacaCollegePhysics 7 months ago
Excellent video! Very informative.
jellington90 8 months ago
In the very first experiment, you say the magnet allows no magnetic field inside, however you mention you're using liquid nitrogen, which implies that it's a type II superconductor and will allow field inside (and it does look like there's some flux pinning going on).
Also you mention that it doesn't allow field inside by becoming a magnet. I was under the impression that external magnetic fields create currents inside which have field lines in opposition to the external field?
jellington90 8 months ago
@jellington90 Yes, you are absolutely right; the information in the voiceover is simplified so we can discuss the basics of what is happening without going into details about superconductivity too much.
The superconductor is YBCO, or Y-123 (YBa2Cu3O7) and is type-II, so it admits some magnetic field. It suspends below the track because it can also pin the magnetic flux, as you point out.
IthacaCollegePhysics 8 months ago
@jellington90 When the superconductor creates magnetic field in opposition to the external field, it behaves the same way a magnet would.
IthacaCollegePhysics 8 months ago
Amazing stuff! i have been researching BEC in the hope to understand stuff i don't understand enough to say what i'm trying to understand!
jony1710 8 months ago
thats nice, BUT CAN SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A SUPER CONDUCTOR SUIT AND A ROOM WITH MAGNET WALLS>!>!??
CheeseBon 8 months ago
My group and I are attempting a similar project and came across a problem with the track. When we place the magnets much like you do on your experiment (S-N-S..), whenever the superconductor comes to the end of one magnet, where it would transition over to the other magnet, it stops and changes direction. Is there a way to prevent this from occurring? Thank you in advance.
MrTurkishDelightx 10 months ago
@MrTurkishDelightx Are you sure the magnets are magnetized through their thickness, and not end-to-end? End-to-end is the case with typical bar magnets.
Take a look at the paper we wrote (the link is in the description) and see if the diagrams there answer your question. If not, feel free to email me with pictures of your track.
IthacaCollegePhysics 10 months ago
How did you make the puck? What was used for insulation? Also, do you hav any recommendations if the puck is to go upside down? I'm using 1" x 0.5" x 0.25" Thick NdFeB Rare Earth Magnets n42, will that be strong enough?
Thanks!
diehardskifreak93 11 months ago
@diehardskifreak93 Check out the link in the description, it will tell you how we made the track and the insulation we used. The magnets you propose to use will work fine.
Where did you get the superconductor? We're trying to grow them here at Ithaca College, I don't know of a place to get them cheaply.
IthacaCollegePhysics 11 months ago
@IthacaCollegePhysics The ones we are using are not ideal. I believe they are from Colorado Superconductor Inc. We used YBCO I think and they are expensive and not very big, but it might be worth a look. I looked up the paper you guys wrote, but I was wondering what you did to easily replenish the puck with liquid nitrogen. Is part of it easily detachable?
Thanks for the help!
diehardskifreak93 11 months ago
@diehardskifreak93 Yes, we have a couple from Colorado Superconductor. They're the only ones still making them in the USA as far as I know.
We didn't have any kind of liquid storage device for the pucks -- it made them too heavy. We just wrapped them in insulation and then cooled them, and then removed them from the liquid nitrogen and let them warm up slowly in the air.
IthacaCollegePhysics 11 months ago
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diehardskifreak93 11 months ago
How much does a superconductor cost?
brtos 1 year ago
@brtos We bought ours for $125. The company we bought them from doesn't make them anymore, we have found a place in Germany that sells them for $700. We hope to be able to grow them at Ithaca College by August 2011, and we plan to sell them to other people interested in making demonstrations for $125.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
where can i pick up one of the pucks??????
dman1z90 10 months ago
@dman1z90 You can get very small one from Colorado superconductor for about $100. Large, nice ones are $700 from a German company. We hope to be able to grow them here at Ithaca College by August 2011, and we plan to sell them to other people interested in making demonstrations for $125.
IthacaCollegePhysics 10 months ago
@IthacaCollegePhysics Just wondering, have you managed to grow them at Ithaca yet and are you selling them?
baijokull 3 months ago
@baijokull We can grow small ones, 1/2-inch diameter pucks. We're working to grow larger ones now. The larger ones are more impressive for the demonstrations, of course.
We will sell them to anyone interested in making a demonstration or using them for science outreach. We only charge the cost of the starting materials, which for the small ones is about $50.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 months ago
Thanks
jh014809 1 year ago
Great video, I read the paper link as well. Very interesting. But I thought SCI engineered materials didn't sell to the public?
please answer
jh014809 1 year ago
@jh014809 They've stopped making them since we wrote the paper. We're working to grow crystals here at Ithaca College, we can grow small ones and hope to be able to grow large ones by the end of summer 2011.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
Why don't superconductors levitate in the earths magnetic field. Is the field to weak or is there some other reason
chrixthegreat 1 year ago
@chrixthegreat You're right -- the Earth's field is about 50 microTesla (0.00005 T). The field from the strong permanent magnets is about 1.5 Telsa -- 30,000 times larger! That's why the superconductors don't levitate in the Earth's field.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
nice vid, very cool demos :)
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faerydhhlo 1 year ago
how much we need of weight of superconductor to make it able to left heavy subjects attached to a metal. I can see that when you push a little bit harder the magnet and the superconductor still touch each other ... how to make it much stronger carrier?!
haqona 1 year ago
@haqona It's not the size of the superconductor, but the quality. Lots of scientists re trying to make better quality superconductors, and what they are trying to do is too complicated to discuss here.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
What would happen if the track did not have the perpendicular sections?
Would the superconductor decelerate at the ends once it felt the field's orientation change?
I suppose one could also make a track out of a tubular or torroidal electromagnet. with the superconductor on the inside.
Eeek! Transport tubes!!! Just like Futurama! XD
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
@L00NGB00W The superconductor would still stop because the field changes, as you say. The perpendicular magnets just make the field change more abrupt so the brakes are more dramatic.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
what type of superconductor is this one? I or II? Answer please ^^
portugalbetaEalfa 1 year ago
@portugalbetaEalfa All cuprate superconductors (high-temperature superconductors) are type-II. You can't get flux-pinning in a type-I superconductor. This is YBa2Cu3O7, sometimes called YBCO or Y-123. It has a Tc of about 93 K and it is strongly type-II.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
@IthacaCollegePhysics Thanks ^^ nice from you to reply!
portugalbetaEalfa 1 year ago
so, how long would you say it's gonna take to use this concept in everyday vehicles? i saw on NatGeo or it might have been History, but anyway, New York is going to replace all the power lines with underground superconductor's. if its successful or if it works and saves lots of money for New York, then do you think its possible for us to change our infrastructure to use magnetic cars? if superconducting becomes that easy, then shouldn't we use it for a better infrastructure?
Twixgtx 1 year ago
@Twixgtx We still have to keep the superconductors cold, so superconducting power lines are only economic in big cities that need a lot of power (like New York City). We're still looking for room-temperature superconductors, and when we find them, the whole world will change. Until then, our infrastructure probably won't change too much (though superconducting MagLev trains are in the works).
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
@IthacaCollegePhysics thx! here's another question, has the technology in producing liquid nitrogen been going foward? in other words, is the process taking up less space than 20 years ago and less time? i'm just really curious about this kind of thing cuz it has a lot of potential to change the world. imagine seeing people walking in the grass, in shade while drivers glide across a track above them. and imagine a world where the most used fuel is the most abundant resource in the atmosphere.
Twixgtx 1 year ago
@Twixgtx Liquid nitrogen is currently less expensive than gasoline -- about $2.50/gallon. So we can make a lot of nitrogen very cheaply, like you say, we just take it from the air. But there are no plans to turn it into a fuel, and it can be dangerous in liquid form (though no more dangerous than gasoline). So, to answer your question, the technology is already in place to make lots of LN2 cheaply -- there's just need for it (at least not like gasoline).
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
@IthacaCollegePhysics thats pretty badass. thx for the responses, i hate when people just completely ignore the comments.
Twixgtx 1 year ago
the silver is hot or cold ?
wl02232626 1 year ago
@wl02232626 They are nickel-plated magnets. The magnets are at room temperature, so 22 degrees Celsius
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
do ufo's work like this?..using the earth's magnetic field? do these experiments make any sound?..ufo's usually don't...so i've heard.
stludachris 1 year ago
@stludachris Naturally, I can't say much about UFOs. However, I can say that the Earth's magnetic field is not strong enough to levitate anything, much less a hypothetical spaceship.
And these experiments do make sound. Check out our other videos, we haven't muted the soundtrack.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
@stludachris UFO are not real, only to the tards.
delvinmacmillen18 1 year ago
@delvinmacmillen18 Flying objects that are unidentified are real you tard.
stludachris 1 year ago
@stludachris Ok if you say so. If you really believe in UFO, then you believe in alien, not talking about Mexican or aircraft from other country. Ok so we are on the same page. Your talking about photoshop images. So if you believe it then there is no further to go with you cause your a mentally redneck, hillbilly, cracker jacker, insane clown pussy.
delvinmacmillen18 1 year ago
@delvinmacmillen18 most every scientist, astronomer, astrophysicist, etc... agrees that the probability that there is alien life somewhere else in the universe is high. the universe is so large that our minds, let alone your puny brain, can't even comprehend it. have you ever seen the photo of the pale blue dot (90's voyager 1's picture of earth)....if not look into it and shut up.
stludachris 1 year ago
@stludachris I agree with you that there is a possibility that there is other live form out there. But when i say UFO you think of big circle aircraft or triangle, or if i say alien you think skinny, short, big eye looking creature. Why cause you watch to many people that loose there sense reality. You believe what you see. I believe there is other life form out in space. I dont believe they look like that or fly big saucers. If there is alien, i believe they dont look like how everyone thought
delvinmacmillen18 1 year ago
@stludachris I believe life form in outer space mite be microscopic, or the size of a dog or human. You can ask anyone. What first comes to mind when you say alien? And they will describe the average looking alien people show cause that is what they put in you head, also the same thing go for UFO. Is there life form out in space? I dont know. No one know for show. There is no evidence. So until then that is all fake. And if there is life out there i dont think they had visited earth or smart.
delvinmacmillen18 1 year ago
@stludachris And i just seen there picture of that dot. Hmmmmmm. Look like a star. Dumb shit Your retarded. What proof does that makes? There has been alot of picture where things appear and cant be explained. What kinda evidence do you have to prove to me that is a UFO or life form? Shit. Go suck a alien penis if they have one. How do they reproduce?
delvinmacmillen18 1 year ago
@delvinmacmillen18 you must be an idiot...its NOT a UFO or life form...the pale blue dot is voyager's view of our EARTH from over 3.7 BILLION miles away... So as far as life form's being on that pale blue dot, it is everyone you know and love and basically everything you have ever known is in that one little tiny pale blue dot of a spec. Now did you see the rest of the billions and billions and billions of dots in that photograph? Ever heard of probabilities? Geesh...
stludachris 1 year ago
@stludachris Yes there is a probabilities of other life forms. Space never ends. There is no limit which i know of.
delvinmacmillen18 1 year ago
After posting my last comment i went and read your paper it pretty much answered most of my question except one. Due you have any adhesive between the magnets that make up the track?
lubanks 1 year ago
@lubanks There is no need for an adhesive; they are stuck to the track magnetically. In fact, they are *very* hard to move.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
I realized that we initially tried to build the track on a sheet of metal that was to thin, so the attractive force between the magnets and metal was overcome by the repulsive force between the magnets causing them to separate. After realizing that, I got a 3' x 18" x0.25" steel plate and successfully built a circular track (took 10hr). In my set up we are using a Bi2Sr2Ca2Cu3O10 superconductor. It experiences little flux pinning, as a result, it ends up falling off the track at higher speeds.
lubanks 1 year ago
I'm in the process of making a maglev train for a school project and am wandering what the orientation of the magnets on the track are with respect to their poles. If the south poles are in the middle and the north poles on the edges, how did you get them to stay together this way? Also after watching your video i am now worried that i made a bad investment in buying BSCCO superconductors for this project, seeing as how its not a flux pinning disk...
lubanks 1 year ago
@lubanks The magnets are magnetized through their thickness, not along their length like typical bar magnets. They actually stick together quite easily. See our paper (the link is in the description) for more information.
Yes, BSCCO is not a good choice; it has to be a flux-pinning superconductor. We are growing them here at Ithaca College and hope to have some ready to sell for projects like your by the end of the summer.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
Just wondering if you have compared the efficiency of your superconductor on the 'rollercoaster' to the efficiency of a normal small metal ball. Should be interesting!
Kardenum 1 year ago
@Kardenum : Unfortunately, the roller coaster is very inefficient it only goes around once or twice. With this bumpy track, thats better than a small aluminum ball can do, however.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
could UFOs be big superconductors on the giant magnet that is Earth? or any planet for that matter
What i mean is, do you think it could ever be built to that scale?
what would it take?
potludog 1 year ago
The Earth's magnetic field is too weak to be able to support something as large as a UFO, even if we could make superconductors the size of a car and keep them below the superconducting transition temperature.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
F-Zero, here we come.
SixStringSamuraiGuy 1 year ago
oop quality......cant see details...
coolnitin2110 1 year ago
You should try to make a mini maglev train.
SachinProductions 2 years ago
We're working on it! We have a figure-8 track (see our other video) and are currently building a train.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
Now get a giant magnetic plate, then use smaller magnets to play some epic pong with the conductor. That would be the most awesome thing thing ever.
AzerathAngelWolf 2 years ago 15
Great video! Thanks for posting this up.
I have a question though:
I know that this is true for magnetic suspension, but does the superconductor have to be an enhanced flux-pinning superconductor for the levitation part? Or will a normal YBCO superconductor work?
Thanks.
MMurchie 2 years ago
All YBCO pucks have some flux pinning. Without enhanced flux pinning, the YBCO will levitate and will sort-of stay on the track. But it definitely won't suspend below it.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
Thanks for replying!
I found you can buy normal YBCO and BSCCO superconductors with diameters up to about an inch online (Colorado Superconductors), But I can't seem to find enhanced flux pinning ones larger than half an inch in diameter.
Where did you obtain yours?
Thanks
MMurchie 2 years ago
Colorado Superconductor is pretty much the only place that makes pucks now, and as you say, their flux-pinning pucks are small. The place where we got ours no longer makes them, unfortunately. We found another place in Germany that makes them for like 500 euros (~$800), but that's too expensive for most people.
We're trying to grow our own here at Ithaca College and will give them out when we succeed. We're pretty close, we'll have large flux-pinning pucks probably in another six months or so.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
Thanks for all the information!
Well I guess it will have to be Colorado Superconductors then.
Good luck on developing your own!
MMurchie 2 years ago
We've had some success making pucks, and we plan to have large (1" diameter) pucks ready by the end of summer 2010.
IthacaCollegePhysics 1 year ago
@IthacaCollegePhysics Wow, you remembered after all this time! Well, you're just in time, I was thinking of getting some superconductors this summer. I look forward to hearing from you again when you're done. Best of luck!
MMurchie 1 year ago
have you tried suspending the superconductor and using a magnetic field to rotate it then measure the weight of an object placed directly over it to see if the weight decreased?
Scottnice 2 years ago
I'm not sure I follow. If I have a superconductor on a scale that weighs 1 N (1 newton). If my track weighs 10 N, when the superconductor levitates above the track, the scale will still read 11 N, whether the superconductor is levitating or not. Adding something above the superconductor won't make a difference.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
Dear ICP,
THANKS for this great video!
It might be problematic to make a vacuum chamber for some of these demonstrations, but It'd be worth the trouble!
The "full pipe" demo is super-cool (pardon the pun), but it demonstrates entropy with air resistance. If you could do that in a near-perfect vacuum, how long would the super-conductor "ride?" How long would a magnet spin? I'd LOVE to see that!
FIZIX ROX!
OldSchoolSkill 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment. We had a great time making the demo and showing it to people here on YouTube.
Unfortunately, it's not air resistance that slows it down. At the joints of the magnets, the magnetic field isn't constant. Those slight changes in the field cause the superconductor to slow down -- it's magnetic drag. To get rid of that, we have to have completely uniform field, and there's no easy way to do that.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
Hey there!
Thanks for the reply!
I wondered if my assessment was correct or not.
Obviously "not."
I sincerely appreciate your explanation, because now I can research "magnetic drag" and "uniform magnetic fields" for more information.
To prevent a self-perpetuating chain of replies, I hereby let-you-off-the-hook from replying to this message. I'll do more homework on the subject.
Until next time, THANKS! &
THIS IS A GREAT AND NOBLE USE OF THE INTERNET!
OldSchoolSkill 2 years ago
This is cool, and I like how it hovers. My parents bought me one, and it can even be hovering upside down =]
R3G1C1D31 2 years ago
where I can buy the superconductor ??
I caaaan't find it :@
is it expensive ????
I want to do the experiment in my school
plllz help :(
aaammaaa11111111 2 years ago
The place where we bought ours (SCI Engineered materials) doesn't make them anymore. We're trying to find a new place to buy them or learn to make them ourselves. Until then, we don't know where to find one either.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
Search in google for "YBCO".
You will find an advertisement on the right hand side.
MrBruzzo 2 years ago
can someone pls answer me few question:
will these hts plate gain weight when the magnet put on it ?
weght(hts plate+magnet>hts plate,or hts plate+magnet=hts plate)??
did the earth g-force play any disturb function in this system or it was been "insulate"???
Dreamland2100 2 years ago
The mass of the superconducting puck remains constant, so the weight (the gravitational force due to the Earth) will remain the same.
There are additional forces on the superconductor, namely an upward force to balance gravity when it is levitating and when it is suspended.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
i will very appreciate it your answering me again.
(sorry if i was lack retree in English)
wht i really want to know tht is the weight (when all of these superconducting system put on the weighing machine ,it been cooling down and later a magnet put on and levitated,
just observation and its weight still constant "after and before" a magnet have there??)
Dreamland2100 2 years ago
Suppose you have a superconductor on a scale that weighs 1 N (1 newton). You have a magnet that weighs 0.1 N. When you place the magnet above the superconductor, the scale will read 1.1 N -- whether the magnet is levitating or not.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
Thank you,it was detail.
Dreamland2100 2 years ago
i was wondering can u get a super conducter that is for dry ice.
Ive been trying to find it.
church947 2 years ago
No material has been found to superconduct above -135 Celsius (about -250 degrees Fahrenheit). Dry ice is about -110 degrees Fahrenheit, so we've a long way to go just to reach dry ice temperatures.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
My physics teacher said that just 2 weeks ago they found one for 240 deg.K so -30 deg.C
i4mcon 2 years ago
hi, i'm only 13(and i know'age doesn't matter') but my school will probably never teach me this and i was just wondering if anyone could give more information about it and if this is what they use on the japanese magnetic tracks.
DunkDaMan1 2 years ago
Levitation occurs due to the expulsion of magnetic fields, creating a magnetic force to float it above the track. It suspends below the track due to magnetic field trapping. This tends to keep the field constant so it does not want to change, hence it will fight gravity to keep the magnetic field constant.
There is one train in Japan that uses superconductors like this. Most MagLev trains use electromagnets.
IthacaCollegePhysics 2 years ago
Hey again. I managed to replicate the track. However, when the superconductor levitates, it seems to meet resistance at the points where the rows of magnets connect. I was wondering how I could fix this and get the magnet levitating freely. Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks!
sirsoham 2 years ago
AMAZING >>>> JUST AMAZING
sidthegr8est 3 years ago
That was sick
LeJoker88 3 years ago
can i use this video in my report? i'm a little short in money and i can't find some of the materials needed for this experiment here in my place, only for a visual aid?...tnx.
jamdgoodAnGEl 3 years ago
Of course you are welcome to use the video. If you can, an acknowledgment for Ithaca College in your presentation would be appreciated.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 years ago
of course i will, tnx:)
jamdgoodAnGEl 3 years ago
I was hoping to reproduce the magnetic track experiment, and was wondering where to obtain the type 410 steel and shim shocks. I would appreciate it if anyone could let me know about this.
sirsoham 3 years ago
You can read how we built it in our paper (linked in the description for the video). We bought the shims and stock from McMaster Carr.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 years ago
Thanks. The steel was like $170 from other places. I am hoping to experiment with a version of this for a science fair.
sirsoham 3 years ago
i was just wondering, is it possible without a magnet, i mean another sort of material?
asphixa 3 years ago
No, superconductors only have this unique behavior with regards to magnetic field; hence, magnets are necessary.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 years ago
i heard soemwhere that ormus particles might be able to be room temperature superconductor? tell me if i heard that from a retard please :D
stevo12369 3 years ago
Ormus particles are another example of pseudo-science. Trust me, if we had room-temperature superconductors, the world would be quite different, and whoever discovered them would be universally famous.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 years ago
ok ok. it has never been proven. i hear we've only learned about ormes within the last 12 years? should ppl not even study ormes? is it a waste of time? researchers admit they know very little about it.
stevo12369 3 years ago
I can find no mention of ORMEs or ORMUS in any reputable scientific journal. I do not presume to say what scientists should or should not study; however, I cannot accept the wild claims the websites make in regards to ORMUS particles without data and research to back up their claims. Such research would be published in scientific journals where would undergo peer review. Without peer review and without being published, it is just pseudo-science, as believable as a fairy tale.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 years ago
okie dokie smokie! thanks a bunch for clearing things up :D
stevo12369 3 years ago
is that how those bullet trains work
thegitboxshredder 3 years ago
They work on levitation via magnets, but usually they use two electromagnets, rather than magnets and superconductors. I think there's only one train in Japan, and only for a few kilometers, that uses superconductors.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 years ago
nice!
ruicgf123 3 years ago 2
can i do that without liquid hydrogen?
9drumdrummer3 3 years ago
We used liquid nitrogen -- liquid hydrogen is much colder (about 20 kelvin, as opposed to 77 kelvin for nitrogen), and much more dangerous.
Unfortunately, no one has discovered a room-temperature superconductor (yet), and the material has to be cold in order to superconduct. Without the liquid nitrogen, it is just a rather boring, expensive, brittle rock.
Whoever discovers a superconductor that does not require cooling will 1: become rich and famous, and 2: win the Nobel Prize in Physics.
IthacaCollegePhysics 3 years ago
cool :D...unfortunably...i'm not that smart :(
9drumdrummer3 3 years ago
awesome demo! let's plate the ground somewhere with room-temp tracks and make a hoverboard park!
andrewgarcia86 3 years ago
Cool!! Thanks for the info!!
Adelbert1309 3 years ago 2
nerd!
Nah just kidding. This is so cool, i wonder how it's being applied on a larger scale?
spectrelives 3 years ago 6
Pretty well, currently there are two trains that use the same principle with third in construction. They are pretty expansive, but I think this is the future of trains as a hole.
DaniOcean 3 years ago