"There are no negro problems, or Polish problems, or Jewish problems, or Greek problems, or women's problems, there are human problems".~Jacque Fresco
“You speak of racism, for example, and I tell you that there’s no such thing as race. The point is that racism is the product of tribalism and ignorance and both are falling victim to communications and world-around literacy.”~R. Buckminster Fuller
"As a consequence of the slavish “categoryitis” the scientifically illogical, and as we shall see, often meaningless questions “Where do you live?” “What are you?” “What religion?” “What race?” “What nationality?” are all thought of today as logical questions. By the twenty-first century it either will have become evident to humanity that these questions are absurd and anti-evolutionary or men will no longer be living on Earth."~R. Buckminster Fuller
@14SHARPSHOOTER88 All of them are strawmen. Disotell's presentation represents what most mainstream Anthropologists believe on the topic. Perhaps you would like to identify points Disotell made in this video and link them to the fallacies in that video series then we can discuss them.
well I'm black (well, "biracial") and i have no problem admitting differences in race intelligence. its quite obvious to me that the higher challenges an individual encounters, the better off one will be
BUT
this is still no excuse to accepting any racist policies
create a society that simply doesn't admit members below a certain IQ - all your problems will be solved
because judge a human by physical features SOLELY from the start you can't and that's quite common sense to me
@FIGHTFANNERD3 Do you hate your Dad or something? Why would a part-Black biracial person come on Youtube and enthusiastically promote the inferiority of part of their ancestry?
Not only that, but such a small sample size proves not a damn thing. Also, HIS SUBJECTIVE BIASED OPINION that he's smarter than his dad proves nothing.
Those last two posts were directed at AstriaICOW who blocked me from her page because she was upset over my style of debate which consistent of debating in a civil manner and correcting her when she said things that weren't true.
And that's real nice blocking me from your page. I come here to offer some constructive criticism and debate in a civil manner. When you express frustration with the debate I even opted to just end it there and move on but you want to block me to get in the last word and make sure you get rid of me. That's very immature.
I have constantly had to correct you for making claims that simply aren't true. Such as what you said about Nazism, Eugenics and the article I sent you. I've said what I have to say so I'm done. Scholars have a right to conduct research however Jensen and like-minded colleagues are promoting pseudoscience and an attempt to lend credibility to ideological agendas which most people would consider to be racist. They have in fact been refuted.
Twin studies overwhelmingly confirm that intelligence is almost 80% predetermined by GENETICS. Even twins subjected to dramatic disparities of education, diet and social environment were found to have IQs which differed by less than 4 points, on average. This small difference is consistent with the statistical margin of error found in identical twins raised in identical environments!!!!
This correlation was strongest amongst identical twins of the highest/lowest IQ extremes.
Would you care to provide some examples with exact quotes? Graves in particular had a great presentation in my opinion. I'd like to see some examples of his speech that you feel put him below Rushton.
@DarwinzFriend 48.9 percent of all African immigrants to the U.S. hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.
In 1997, 19.4 percent of all adult African immigrants in the United States held a graduate degree, compared to 8.1 percent of adult white Americans and 3.8 percent of adult black Americans in the United States, respectively. Source US CENSUS BUREAU DATA. Enjoy that
@Raybanmonster I can't claim to understand your shame and constant frustration at belonging to the lowest, most primitive, most despised and most outnumbered of the races of man. When I graduated from college, I had 4 friends of mixed black heritage who were at the TOP of their class, and had better grades than me; yet,I got hired LONG before them, then watched as the laziest of my white friends got jobs before them. The few good blacks suffer because of the reputation of the 90% bad blacks.
So you are trying to say that obtaining a DOCTORATE is an indication of intelligence? Phwahahahaaaaaa clearly you have not been to University. A PhD is and highly focused extension of academic study, you do a DOCTORATE to further pursue research or academic carrer, not because you want a degree for an employer per se you STUPID CLOWN!! Thge degree is more accurate because to pass one takes mental agility. BLACK AFRICANS TAKE DEGREES at HIGHEST RATE
@DarwinzFriend Do you think that this is due to genetics or culture/opportunity? For example: How many white people that come out of a trailer park become PHD's? I believe that culture plus opportunities that one has in life play a larger role than genes. Most well off people in the U.S. are white. so it will be no surprise that these people will have a higher percentage of persons going to college than well off blacks who are a very small minority.
Where did you cook up your VOODOO SCIENCE (statistics)?
FYI:
1. Africans do NOT immigrate to USA, as many & much as ASIANS & EUROPEANS do.
2. 99% of Asians immigrants move to USA to REPLACE DIAPERS FOR SENIORS IN NURSING HOMES, DRIVE TAXIS & COOK CHINESE FOOD for Americans.
3. While African Americans constitute 10% of American population, African Americans have more EDUCATION & EARN MORE INCOME than the FIVE BILLION ASIANS COMBINED.
Until the US military pooled out the 25yrs South-East Asian war to "CONTAIN" Chinese communism in 1975, silicon valley was just an Orchard farms, therefore in no need for Asians or Asian labor.
But, as soon as the USA pooled out of Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos, the ASIAN BOAT PEOPLE, bare-footed farmers & fisherman escaping from the ADVANCING COMMUNISTS in LEAKY BOATS , flooded to Silicon Valley as ILLITERATE REFUGEES, concentrating in EAST SAN JOSE GHETTOS by Berryesa Road (LITTLE SAIGON).
"Reverse racism has become very very problematic in the world today. I’m nothing but scared… I’m scared when I see things like parades for different races. I get scared when I see people quote “take pride” and have a jingoistic relationship to their race which they had no control over- they’ve done nothing for. It is an arbitrary distinction which is scientifically invalid."~Peter Joseph
Until the USA military pooled out the 25yrs South-East Asian war to "CONTAIN" Chinese communism in 1975, silicon valley was just an Orchard farms, therefore in no need for Asians or Asian labor.
But, as soon as the USA pooled out of Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos, the ASIAN BOAT PEOPLE, bare-footed farmers & fisherman escaping in LEAKY BOATS from the COMMUNISTS, flooded to Silicon Valley as ILLITERATE REFUGEES, concentrating in EAST SAN JOSE GHETTOS by Berryesa Road (LITTLE SAIGON).
It's so comical to watch this debate! All of the white speakers are articulate, fluent and gramatically correct in their speech; all the blacks are halting in their speech with glaring errors both in grammar, word usage and logic.
They may as well have gotten up and said " Well, suh, we-uns is all in dah complete unanoniblity dat we is jes as telligent as ahl of you-uns white fokes is...show nuf foe show....dats duh trufe...Jes ax anybodies!!"
VERY FUNNY,,, Every con-artist through out human history claims to be 'SCIENTIST", presenting "scientific evidence" to every DECEPTIVE & forged self-serving AGENDA.
ONLY "scientific" HITLERS, preach "scientific" Gospel.
But, HOW ARE ALL WHITES FROM THE SAME ETHNIC RACE/CLAN, when Russians, Germans, Jews, Gypsies, Irish, Scots, English, French,,, EXTERMINATE each other?
Too bad.,,,, YOU CAN NOT FOOL, ALL THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME.
Thank you for the invitation but RACE is INSIGNIFICANT & IRRELEVANT to me.
For I can see that, through out BIBLICAL TIMES & human history, the Romans, Greeks, Portuguese, Spanish, Ottoman Turk, Persian, Arab, Japanese, Chinese, English, American EMPIRES etc,,, had tried PROVE THEMSELVES prestigious than their own NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS to ONLY proven WRONG & fall to the dust bins of history.
Therefore, PEOPLE OBSESSED WITH RACE ARE JUST INSECURE OF THEIR OWN STATUES IN THEIR OWN PLACE IN SOCIETY.
but the inhabitants of the Nile weren't sub-Saharan Africa.??
Are you some kind of clownish expert on the racial mix of Ancient Africans now? You who have no degree, have never been there or has even a decent grasp of his own countries History let alone an African country. lol Can you see how fucking ridiculous your sad musings sound? You are claiming Africans now to have been what? Swedish people living in the SUN of the hottest place on Earth? lolol oh my days the stupidity.
@jbearden Blacks are indigenous to all parts of Africa including Egypt. Lighter-skinned North Africans migrated there mainly during historical times, particularly the Greco-Roman and Islamic periods.
Are you for real? you think there are no black people in North Africa? are you insane? Have you been there? Phwahahahaaaa what about Mali?No you uneducated quack
Are you sick? Is Egypt your home continent? Why do you think you know about a foreign place than the people who came from the same? Where does this arrogance come from? It is well documented that the ancient Egyptians were not white people or Asians or Latin Americans. What does that leave you? Have you seen a flowing European lock of hair in any depictions of Egypt? Do you think Neferitti bust looks like Brittany spears or Black Somalian Supermodel Iman? Get a life
@Raybanmonster "It is well documented that the ancient Egyptians were not white people or Asians or Latin Americans. What does that leave you?"
It is well documented that MODERN Egyptians are not white people or Asians or Latin Americans. What does that leave you? Answer the question fucktard.
No one is following you for a geography lesson, you who is obsessed with my blackness, you have given to following me on twitter and stalking every comment I make, setting up new accounts in my name and yet again here, trying your hand at any subject to try and somehow discredit me.. you a clownish racist with too much time on your hands. lol
If you believe Mali to be South of the Sahara so be it. No one is coming to you for any advice or information on any thing African are they? Havnt you got better things to do than troll all my Youtube comments? lolol wasnt it you who said Einstein was a fraud? lolol Oh my days... lol
@Raybanmonster Well take a look at a population density map of Mali. The vast majority live in the southern part, because the northern part is in the sahara desert. So clearly it is disconnected from the north african civilization, and sub saharan.
What I find funniest is how niggers in europe know even less about africa than white people. And you still claim to be an expert because you have a black face.
You know as much about africa as a second generation zoo animal.
I have rebuffed you on twitter, I have refused conversation based on your utter stupidity because our values are different.I stand for academic knowledge,self improvement, human compassion, kindness of spirit and a hard charging approach to get things done, Equity of women, I do not believe the world is going backwards towards hatred, U dont have any advantage o me. Racism is a mental fault, dont u think u should define u by u alone & leave any other type of people out of it?
@Raybanmonster What absolute bullshit. You are a sanctimonious moron.
"I stand for academic knowledge"
LMAO. Do you HONESTLY not know how stupid you are? You are probably the most offensive, obnoxious ignoramus I have ever encountered. This is a classic case of the Dunning Kruger effect.
You stalk me on twitter, claim Einstein is a fraud, you come online to insult black people using the N wiord that makes you sound like a wigger Jay-Z wannabe, your obsessed with the sex I am having, the size of my brain and Penis, the academic qualifications I have and still, you have the effrontery to claim I am offensive?
Phwahaha a Fuck off mentally ill knuckle headed cunt. you need black people to survive, black people do not need u
@Raybanmonster Mentally ill? You really think so? Specifically what is your diagnosis, Dr. Nig Nog?
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER makes me sound like a white Jay Z? I can agree, actually that sounds a little more intelligent than Jay Z.
"your[sic] obsessed with the sex I am having, the size of my brain and Penis, the academic qualifications I have"
Yes this is all correct. Pretty much zero on all counts.
Graduates have class, that is the stunning overriding thing that comes across when you engage with educated people. You do not have this sensibility. You are no academic Im afraid, what is more, look at your awful low brow English. Epic Fail racist clown, look at your Youtube account name. You spent time constructing that and the many accounts youve now had banned blocked and restricted for racist hate speech?
@Hereditarian The architects of Ancient Egypian civilization were tropically adapted Africans who resembled modern Nilotics and more Southerly East Africans (ex. Somali and Oromo).
@Sivels Civilizations have been built without the use of the wheel. The argument about Black inferiority based on historical cultural achievement falls apart when you consider that Africans had civilization in the Nile Valley centuries before Europeans had one to speak of.
LOOK WHO IS ASKING, Does Diversity Cause Conflict? Is Racism Natural?
After Europeans EXTERMINATED each other for more than 5000yrs & boarded their leaky wind-boats to ESCAPE EUROPE & DISPLACE, EXTERMINATE & LOOT all OTHER human RACES all over America, Asia, Africa, Australia, etc,
When does EXTERMINATION, DISPLACEMENT & LOOTING turn to DIVERSITY?
Where do you draw the line for EXTERMINATION, DISPLACEMENT or DIVERSITY?
So far, The path to hell has ALREADY been paved with "good" intentions.
Lets not forget that all men are born equal, just some are born more equal than others. I belive that whites have a higher IQ than blacks( just not quite as high as those little asians). But on the flip side, how many great asian athletets can you name. So you either have high intellignce and low physical at attributes or low physical attributes and a higher mental abilites, so we are all euqal just in diffrent ways. Maybe this is why Tiger Woods is so dam good.
@ClarenceBeeks1 There are great Asian athletes. Probably the most visible one right now is Manny Pacquiao, a Filipino Boxer. Then there's Ichiro Suzuki, Michael Chang, Yao Ming, KJ Choi, Hideo Nomo and Dat Nguyen to name a couple more. Did you watch the video? It's been established that there's no scientific basis to the claim that human population evolved differences in mental traits such as intelligence and temperament. Such traits are polygenic but not population specific.
@ClarenceBeeks1 There are great Asian athletes. Probably the most visible one right now is Manny Pacquiao, a Filipino Boxer. Then there's Ichiro Suzuki, Michael Chang, Yao Ming, KJ Choi, Hideo Nomo and Dat Nguyen to name a couple more. Did you watch the video? It's been established that there's no scientific basis to the claim that human population evolved differences in mental traits such as intelligence and temperament. Such traits are polygenic but not population specific.
China's dominance in the Olympics. The Soviets placed emphasize on athletic competition and rigorous work to triumph, hence Russians today,dont win as many gold Medals as the Soviets.
@fringeelements Russia should still have the genetic stock as most of the Soviet Union so their recent slip in Olympic success is most likely due to culture. I don't deny biological factors in athleticism and other traits. I don't even deny a genetic component to intelligence and variation in intellect but the racialist insistence on race and intelligence being linked while acting like their evidence is overwhelming and trying to take the Scientific High Ground on the issue is ridiculous.
@retrogamerist Evidence that "no race has a generalised predisposition to being smart or dumb." You understand that that is claim that require empirical evidence? Are you saying that the well known black white IQ gap has an entirely non genetic etiology? How do you know? What is your evidence?
Many of you don´t realise that when we talk about racial IQ averages, we are dealing with AVERAGES.
Say 10 people take a test. Their scores are: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. 1 being the least score possible, and 12 being the highest score possible.
Another group of 10 takes the same test and scores are: 1,1,1,3,5,7,8,8,9,12 What is the average score of each group? NB. if u cannot solve this ur IQ is certainly low! Do the averages tell u anything about the composition of both groups?
@TheAsianEngineer As a black(mixed race) person I salute the ASIAN MASTER RACE! LOL! You are so right, it only works for them if they end up on the top. When you try to use their own logic against them then they shift the goal post to other factors. It is as difficult to get through to a racist as much as it is to get through to a religious fundamentalist.
The racial IQ gap seems to explain the catastrophic condition of black populations worldwide. A recent standardized exam in Detroit public schools found that 69% of black students failed to meet national benchmarks--that their scores were the same as if they answered the test questions randomly! That's frightening. It means their cognitive powers, their ability to comprehend, analyze and synthesize, is shockingly weak. Yet so many are boisterous and loud. Are they just shouting nonsense?
@takfam07 Or perhaps IQ correlates with racial groups worldwide because human societies have been effected by racism worldwide leading to disparities in standard of living and quality of education which leads to differences in the nurturing of IQ.
@MysticNinjaJay I agree IQ is probably cultural, not hereditary. However I don't think it's entirely a result of monolithic racist oppression. It is also the result of how societies choose to deal with consequences of contact with Europeans--oppressive or otherwise. Some groups fare better than others in dealing with European imperialist expansion that dominated the world from 14th-20th centuries. This presumes more self-determinism and free will than most undeveloped cultures will admit.
@takfam07 Not all populations have the same history with European contact. East Asian populations for instance were not colonized, enslaved or displaced through genocide. The world economy was shaped by Western European imperialism. Generally the less technologically advanced a people were the more severely they were exploited. Racialists often look to cultural achievement as a reflection of intelligence and ignore anything other than a genetic explanation for cultural differences.
@MysticNinjaJay True. And sadly, many primitive societies were highly susceptible to corruption, at the expense of their own race. For example, From the 14-19th centuries, an estimated 80-200 million Africans were shipped as slaves to Europe, the Middle East and the New World. And the vast majority were sold by black leaders to the Arabs and Europeans. As one African chief put it: "you have 3 things we want--powder, ball and brandy. And we have 3 things to sell--men, women and children."
@myfletcher Actually, it would be 800,000 shiploads at 250 slaves per ship. (Or perhaps 80,000 shiploads at 2,500 per ship-- if they used the 18th century equivalent of the "Royal Princess" line). But you're right, either was 200 million sounds way too high, even spread over four centuries.
I got these figures from African Economist Tunde Obadina and his essay on the African Slave Trade (google "Obadina Slave Trade"). But you should definitely read the article--it's a sobering eye-opener.
@takfam07 Were there 200 million people in Africa back then? Blacks tend to put the numbers up much higher than whites. That much I know.
I believe the number of American Indians in ALL of North America, Canada to Mexico is estimated from just 2.1 to 30 million. The population of Paris was estimated at just 415,000 in 1637. Populations all primitive cultures were very low. Slave ships carried a max of about 500, 250 as the average.
@myfletcher Not sure about 200 million. Maybe in the aggregate over four centuries. But yes, marginalized cultures always revise history by inflating their numbers at the coming of the white man, in order to enhance their victim status, and to magnify white crime. But the fact is, most were agrarian or (at best) semi-feudal societies who were not designed to hold large populations.
@MysticNinjaJay when caucasian Europeans came to Africa they hadn't even invented the wheel. You're saying that racism (codeword for white--oppressing->black) is at fault. What an astonishingly original idea!
@Sivels African civilization predates European civilization by thousands of years and the wheel was invented in Mesopotamia not Europe. There were several kingdoms and complex societies in Africa many of which were documented by Middle Eastern and European travelers.
@EgalitarianJay It was not invented in Mesopotamia. It's in fact unknown exactly where it was invented, maybe it was some caveman, but there's a consensus among archeologists that it was probably invented somewhere in Asia.
"African civilization predates European civilization" the age enlightenment and reason and the Renaissance that has leaped the Western world from being farmers digging in the dirt with their bare hands have all been eurocentric
What a ridiculous inference and opposing question you came out with. Your EQ is so low it obscures your objectivity. Please... do not reply to me with such nonsensical randomness again.
Amerindians are the unequivocal descendents of Siberian hunters, those very adjacent to the cognitively demanding Pleistocene environment that Mongoloids evolved in. Thus it is safe to assume that the (true) IQ of amerindians is 102-103. The true hispanic IQ thus should be equal to that of whites. I would rank the true IQ of races as follows, taking in to account history. Indians-110-North East Asians 105-Amerindians 102-Persians( Middle East-101 and whites/hispanics 100
There's a point. Since a higher proportion of niggers are dependent on state aid to produce children in the USA, and heritability is agreed to be high in both groups, isn't it logically certain that even if black ans d whites were equal, at this point groid IQ must have dropped relatively? Just hypothetical, of course groids are not equal.
This video is labeled as a scientific debate because it is a debate among scholars about race and intelligence. Whether race is a valid taxanomy or not it is a concept that is discussed in science. I think you would be quite pleased with this video actually.
Disparities in standard of living between ethnic grouos can be explained by evironmental differences which influence culture. There is no biological rationale for assuming there are racial differences in intelligence. Listen to Graves reasoning in the video. He is an expert on evolutionary biology.
@ray25620 Darwin himself did not believe in intelligence differences between human races. Scientific research suggests humans have lived in one region (Africa) far longer than they have lived elsewhere so our evolutuionary history indicates we have more in common than we have differences.
There are no empirical reasons for even suspecting that races have the same IQ. Blacks do all those things we associate with low IQ, petty crime, illegitimacy, drug abuse, school expulsions, unemployment. Chinese do all those things we associate with high IQ, school achievement, professional qualifications, low crime rate, stable marriages. What empirical grounds are there for the belief that all the races have the same IQ? There are none. Such a belief is driven by ideology, like religion.
@ray25620 ..To be under the nihilistic belief that intelligence is fundamentally fixed is retarded. No matter how much one is exposed to or studies, their intelligence will remain fixed? Retarded. Once one figures out exactly what IQ tests wants from them, intelligence still remains fixed? Even more retarded. If this we're the case. We're ALL incapable of learning. People learn...Just slap a number on a person brain and call it a day? LOLOL
@ray25620 The same thing was said about Irish people once upon a time. And I dont think you grasp the concept of evolution if you think more time = more intelligence.
Racial differences in intelligence are EXACTLY what Darwin's theory predicts, because each race has developed in isolation over thousands of years, which is exactly the driver of evolution. If therewere no racial differences in intelligence then that would disprove evolution for humankind and perhaps would prove the existence of God.
@ray25620 ..Darwin ? Where's vitality in following gurus? Where's the creative energy? Where's the original thought? Vitality is lost when relying SOLELY on guru research....Asians don't commit many crimes? maybe not in America. See the Triads, the sale of babies, see the japanese drug and prostitution rings. Any organized crime anywhere constitutes nothing less than a guerilla war against ALL of society. And this is people with high IQ's...Where's common sense? Good grief
@HyperBorealOperator It was never argued that morphological traits are not distinguishable only that classifying people into biologically distinct groups based on their morphological traits isn't justified. Disotell's focus is on criteria for classification and argues that because human biological variation is discordant there is no basis for grouping human populations into sub-species.
You already said that the gap is increasing, yet in the United States it has been a consistent standard deviation, so in Europe it is increasing because you want it to?? The blacks who can afford to go to Europe are not from the bottom of the barrel, that is preposterous. Where do you get your sources?? Majorityright?? LoL!! Nisbett already proved the smartest blacks have more African ancestry in them, so what you are telling me is meaningless.
@sovietamerican2 Yeah this is a myth. So many africans drive cars, and have flats. And ofcourse they can afford to save 1000 dollars to leave their country and get to europe. Even the lower IQ ones considering the fact that the imigration restrictions in lots of european countries are not that strict as America Then they children perfom far much better then their parents due to better environment. I have also met some metal workers from Africas here in Europe.
@sovietamerican2 HyperBorealOperator just thinks the stereotypical of Africa because he only knows it from the Media. I have been there and I can say that even africans from the ghettos save money to come to europe. THATS the reason why they come to europe. if they would be the TOP IQ why should they move if they had a good job and wealth. But they are not that poor as it often suggested by Americans and Europeans due to what they see about africa on TV :D
The average IQ gap is decreasing, it is impossible that most black people would mate with asians/indians or Europeans, which is the reason for the increase in the mean IQ. There is high selective immigration of black africans with IQ's in the 115 in the Western world, especially Europe. This would indicate an increase in the IQ of blacks in Europe. What you are telling me is a bunch of wishfull thinking and assumptions, not coalescing with reality.
@sovietamerican2 most african americans are 20% white european on average so that should be taken into account. You may want to look up a term called "regression towards the mean"
@sovietamerican2 are you joking me? There is no selection of immigrants IQ at all. However, it is the case in Australia and look how strong their economy. I wonder if there is a connection.
Did you not understand what I said?? I said those people in Africa, coming over have the intelligence and the money to be able to do so. It is impossible for a low IQ black to make it to Britain and Europe lol!!!
To those that say Rushton will never be disproven, you are wrong. The black-white IQ gap in Europe is shrinking, and as for Africa, they have alot of turmoil that is detrimental to their overall development. Read "where have all the Liberals gone." It explains many things, one of them is that the Black-white IQ gap in Germany is gone. When Africa gets their shit together, and blacks in several nations also rise up, there would be no gap.
AS things become better for blacks, statistically there will be individuals who will strive to go in to math and science, and succeed. Which brings me to my next question, why would blacks be inferior???hmm......... Its already been proven that the smartest black people have more black in them than white.
Coincidences do exist, and for the record, different ways of thinking and a build up of intuition over time doesnt qualify as superior intelligence. Low income does that to you, it makes you on average score bad on everything. IQ's have been rising, back in the 1930's, white americans had an IQ of 85, now look at them.
@andrzejewski1960 I spend less time on this stuff than you do. At best this is mild entertainment for me. For you the subject matter forms the basis of an ideology you have a strong emotional attachment to. I do other stuff on the internet and on Youtube. Don't worry about what I do in the real world it's none of your business. You can strongly disagree with the views being expressed here but do not personally attack me or anyone else. If you do you will be blocked. That's my final warning.
@andrzejewski1960 You talk about Whites as some type of collective. 12% of Blacks will score above the White mean of 100? What is that based on? And no I didn't lie plenty of counter evidence was presented in this video as well as by me across these debates. The most damning evidence against your views is that Rushton's evolutionary theory was discredited and the racial admixture studies cited by Nisbett show that White ancestry doesn't make Blacks smarter. And Black IQ is rising.
@andrzejewski1960 The problem with your arguments is that it is based on assumptions and not proof. There is plenty of evidence that invalidates or seriously challenges your core assumptions. You also have to deal with the reality that there are individual Blacks that are clearly more intelligent and successful than individual Whites.
@andrzejewski1960 Don't send me any more articles via PM please. I'm actually going to cool off debating this stuff for awhile. I've had intense discussions over this issue on several platforms recently.
@andrzejewski1960 Alot of people regardless of culture still feel that way. My perspective is that if society has a problem with interracial relationships there is something wrong with society. If it were unnatural to mix so-called races it would not be possible to do so. Also Ali is talking about different species of birds who can't mate together. If you put breeds of dogs together they will intermingle indiscriminately. That's why I believe people should be. Cut the racist bullshit.
@EgalitarianJay "Possible" is not the same as "natural" or "desirable". Don't get me wrong, I think you're disingenuous, but sometimes I wonder if you really are that thick.
@HeCameHeSawGROID Noone said anything about desirable. That's a matter of opinion. It is indeed natural for members of the same species to mate and produce fertile offspring.
@EgalitarianJay "My perspective is that if society has a problem with interracial relationships there is something wrong with society. If it were unnatural to mix so-called races it would not be possible to do so."
Clearly you are using "natural" with overtones of "desirable". You go from discussing how society should not have a problem, to how it is "natural" because it is "possible".
@HeCameHeSawGROID I'm not using it as an overtone I am saying that society is the one that has a problem with something that is natural. What is desirable or undesirable to society is irrelevant to nature.
@HeCameHeSawGROID I mean it's "possible" to breed only those who have congenital deformities and mental retardation. Does that mean it's "natural" and "society should not have a problem with it"?
@HeCameHeSawGROID Is it unnatural for people with deformities and mental disability to mate? No. My point is that there is nothing unnatural about it. Whether society should accept it is a matter of opinion.
@EgalitarianJay I think you are playing fast and loose with the ambiguity of "natural". Disingenuous. Most people think it means "normal" not "possible" or "happens sometimes". Also earlier you reasoned from "natural" (in your opinion) to "society should accept it".
Wow, I guess Rushton made a fool of himself, go figure. His conjectures and wishful thinkings on white supremacy are unfounded and unsubstantiated by science. Instead he goes along contemplating that correlation is unequivocally causation. He refuses to acquiesce to the concept that civilizations and intelligence evolve around warm weather, not the nordic environment he proclaims. He is a charlatan and a pretentious acrimonious psychologist, who is a mere pseudoscientist, nothing more.
Now I'm "trolling" because you just got nailed to a cross? Who's the troll going thru my playlists, calling me "insecure"? As if your meaningless ad hominem assumptions have anything to do with the content of this video? I was justified in seeking clarity when a fraud tries to dilute scientific inquiry with buzzwords like the last presenter in this video did when he dropped the r-bomb (IN THIS VIDEO)
@strong8action The problem is you're not actually addressing the scientific arguments in the video but going on and on about the word racist. You're only empowering the word by doing that.
@EgalitarianJay I have no problem addressing the scientific arguments, but it makes sense to establish/define our terms at the outset. It happens that we entered a mini semantic debate, which I maintain that I won on both factual and moral grounds. Moving to the scientific argument, I think Rushon's theoretical analysis is sound because he uses facts and graphs to illustrate a non biased depiction of population behavioral traits around the globe. I agree that it's not a question of superiority.
@strong8action Here are my problems with this claim. 1. His evolutionary argument was refuted by Graves based on empirical experiments which falsified r/K selection theory 2. His claim of population behavioral traits is based on crime rates which is unrepresentative of the general population
@EgalitarianJay Graves didn't refute r/K selection theory in whole, although he may have exposed weaknesses. Keep in mind that ALL theories must be revised as new information comes to light. For example, blacks exhibit higher fecundity than whites, and higher fecundity is considered an r selected trait. Regarding your issue with crime rates. Rushton also discuses sexual behavior traits, and they ARE representative of the general population. Both show a three way split among Blk,Wht, Asn.
@strong8action Yes he did show that the theory was falsified. Rushton did not show any empirical proof that Blacks exhibited greater fecundity than Whites. He bases this on twinning rates although Graves pointed out to me in email that Rushton's data show no source for standard deviation or sample size which are necessary to establish this claim. His claims about sexual behavior are also rubbish. He doesn't provide any evidence of this beyond STD rates which don't objectively indicate behavior.
I'm not complaining about words. In academia, there is a phrase called "define your terms". It's very useful in combating buzzwords, fostering clarity in communication. Unfortunately, you wish to characterize me as "complaining", but seeking clarity and exposing fraud is not complaining. Here's an idea, if Trotsky USED the word in 1930 documents, he is the progenitor. He coined and first used it. That's the true etymogical basis. Today, the r-word continues to be used in a europhobic sense.
@strong8action Yet I have already defined the term citing its etymology and the dictionary and you continue to fixate on it despite my recommendation that you move onto other things. At this stage your behavior must be considered trolling because you refuse to address the actual video and want a long winded off-topic argument over the word racist. I don't really care what your view on the word racist is so stop talking about it over and over. I personally will use it when appropriate to do so.
The people in the audience acted like a pack of hyenas towards the end. Its too bad there was a lack of decorum, in my opinion. I know its an emotional topic for many, but science is designed expressly to view the world objectively, unabated by fickle emotional outbursts. I still don't understand what people mean when they say this was "racist". Is that a pejorative attack on science, or do they just not like the results?
"There are no negro problems, or Polish problems, or Jewish problems, or Greek problems, or women's problems, there are human problems".~Jacque Fresco
MyMindTank 2 weeks ago
@MyMindTank "There are no human problems or goat problems or starfish problems, there are animal problems" - A complete idiot.
JAYforgiveMYsins 2 days ago
@JAYforgiveMYsins lol you made my day!
eduTouY 23 hours ago
“You speak of racism, for example, and I tell you that there’s no such thing as race. The point is that racism is the product of tribalism and ignorance and both are falling victim to communications and world-around literacy.”~R. Buckminster Fuller
MyMindTank 2 weeks ago
"As a consequence of the slavish “categoryitis” the scientifically illogical, and as we shall see, often meaningless questions “Where do you live?” “What are you?” “What religion?” “What race?” “What nationality?” are all thought of today as logical questions. By the twenty-first century it either will have become evident to humanity that these questions are absurd and anti-evolutionary or men will no longer be living on Earth."~R. Buckminster Fuller
MyMindTank 2 weeks ago
@EgalitarianJay How is that a strawman?
14SHARPSHOOTER88 1 month ago
@EgalitarianJay Can you give me an example?
14SHARPSHOOTER88 2 months ago
@14SHARPSHOOTER88 All of them are strawmen. Disotell's presentation represents what most mainstream Anthropologists believe on the topic. Perhaps you would like to identify points Disotell made in this video and link them to the fallacies in that video series then we can discuss them.
EgalitarianJay 1 month ago
@EgalitarianJay I suggest you watch a video called 10 fallacies of race deniers.
14SHARPSHOOTER88 2 months ago
@14SHARPSHOOTER88 I've seen it. It's full of strawmen.
EgalitarianJay 2 months ago
well I'm black (well, "biracial") and i have no problem admitting differences in race intelligence. its quite obvious to me that the higher challenges an individual encounters, the better off one will be
BUT
this is still no excuse to accepting any racist policies
create a society that simply doesn't admit members below a certain IQ - all your problems will be solved
because judge a human by physical features SOLELY from the start you can't and that's quite common sense to me
cleopatrajones90 2 months ago
Blacks smart athletically (which does exist)
BeepimajeepBeep 2 months ago
im smarter then my dad and he's black par french he also has good education
but both me and my brother are smarter.
end of story
FIGHTFANNERD3 3 months ago
@FIGHTFANNERD3 Do you hate your Dad or something? Why would a part-Black biracial person come on Youtube and enthusiastically promote the inferiority of part of their ancestry?
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Not only that, but such a small sample size proves not a damn thing. Also, HIS SUBJECTIVE BIASED OPINION that he's smarter than his dad proves nothing.
ChristophDollis 2 months ago
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@EgalitarianJay "Why would a part-Black biracial person come on Youtube and enthusiastically promote the inferiority of part of their ancestry?"
Maybe they are honest more than racially devoted.
JAYforgiveMYsins 2 days ago
@FIGHTFANNERD3
As long as you accept the superiority of Indians(not malnourished) and Chinese in terms of IQ, than you are good -_- ????
sovietamerican2 3 months ago
Those last two posts were directed at AstriaICOW who blocked me from her page because she was upset over my style of debate which consistent of debating in a civil manner and correcting her when she said things that weren't true.
EgalitarianJay 3 months ago
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And that's real nice blocking me from your page. I come here to offer some constructive criticism and debate in a civil manner. When you express frustration with the debate I even opted to just end it there and move on but you want to block me to get in the last word and make sure you get rid of me. That's very immature.
Egalitarianjay02 3 months ago
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I have constantly had to correct you for making claims that simply aren't true. Such as what you said about Nazism, Eugenics and the article I sent you. I've said what I have to say so I'm done. Scholars have a right to conduct research however Jensen and like-minded colleagues are promoting pseudoscience and an attempt to lend credibility to ideological agendas which most people would consider to be racist. They have in fact been refuted.
Egalitarianjay02 3 months ago
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Twin studies overwhelmingly confirm that intelligence is almost 80% predetermined by GENETICS. Even twins subjected to dramatic disparities of education, diet and social environment were found to have IQs which differed by less than 4 points, on average. This small difference is consistent with the statistical margin of error found in identical twins raised in identical environments!!!!
This correlation was strongest amongst identical twins of the highest/lowest IQ extremes.
DarwinzFriend 3 months ago
@DarwinzFriend
Would you care to provide some examples with exact quotes? Graves in particular had a great presentation in my opinion. I'd like to see some examples of his speech that you feel put him below Rushton.
EgalitarianJay 3 months ago
Silicon valley, is the home of the brightest and most creative minds in our nation.
The 2010 census of silicon valley showed it's population was:
78% white
19% Asian
2.7% other(mostly native American or non-black ,Pacific islander)
0.3% Black
This dramatically illustrates the fact that blacks have the most primitive brains of any race.
It is truly heartbreaking to watch the primitive black race struggling to survive amongst intellectually superior whites and Asians.
DarwinzFriend 3 months ago
@DarwinzFriend 48.9 percent of all African immigrants to the U.S. hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.
In 1997, 19.4 percent of all adult African immigrants in the United States held a graduate degree, compared to 8.1 percent of adult white Americans and 3.8 percent of adult black Americans in the United States, respectively. Source US CENSUS BUREAU DATA. Enjoy that
Raybanmonster 3 months ago
@Raybanmonster I can't claim to understand your shame and constant frustration at belonging to the lowest, most primitive, most despised and most outnumbered of the races of man. When I graduated from college, I had 4 friends of mixed black heritage who were at the TOP of their class, and had better grades than me; yet,I got hired LONG before them, then watched as the laziest of my white friends got jobs before them. The few good blacks suffer because of the reputation of the 90% bad blacks.
DarwinzFriend 3 months ago
@Raybanmonster You should quote the ENTIRE study:
48.9% of AFRICAN Immigrants hold a college bachelor's degree, 4% master's degree, less than1% P.H.D.
72.7% of EUROPEAN Immigrants hold a college bachelor's degree, 23% master's degree, less than11% P.H.D.
89.2% of ASIAN Immigrants hold a college bachelor's degree, 31% master's degree, less than17% P.H.D.
Once again, blacks come in dead last.
DarwinzFriend 3 months ago
@DarwinzFriend
Phwahhahahahahahahahahaaaaaa
So you are trying to say that obtaining a DOCTORATE is an indication of intelligence? Phwahahahaaaaaa clearly you have not been to University. A PhD is and highly focused extension of academic study, you do a DOCTORATE to further pursue research or academic carrer, not because you want a degree for an employer per se you STUPID CLOWN!! Thge degree is more accurate because to pass one takes mental agility. BLACK AFRICANS TAKE DEGREES at HIGHEST RATE
Raybanmonster 3 months ago
@DarwinzFriend Do you think that this is due to genetics or culture/opportunity? For example: How many white people that come out of a trailer park become PHD's? I believe that culture plus opportunities that one has in life play a larger role than genes. Most well off people in the U.S. are white. so it will be no surprise that these people will have a higher percentage of persons going to college than well off blacks who are a very small minority.
99percentatheist 3 months ago
@99percentatheist Not true at all..
michael616joaquin 3 months ago
WOW, Albert Einstein,
Where did you cook up your VOODOO SCIENCE (statistics)?
FYI:
1. Africans do NOT immigrate to USA, as many & much as ASIANS & EUROPEANS do.
2. 99% of Asians immigrants move to USA to REPLACE DIAPERS FOR SENIORS IN NURSING HOMES, DRIVE TAXIS & COOK CHINESE FOOD for Americans.
3. While African Americans constitute 10% of American population, African Americans have more EDUCATION & EARN MORE INCOME than the FIVE BILLION ASIANS COMBINED.
Once again, Blacks come first, Ain't so?
BahreNeGash 2 months ago
@BahreNeGash African immigrants have more qualifications than east Asians do.
Abdikarimelmi 2 months ago
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Until the US military pooled out the 25yrs South-East Asian war to "CONTAIN" Chinese communism in 1975, silicon valley was just an Orchard farms, therefore in no need for Asians or Asian labor.
But, as soon as the USA pooled out of Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos, the ASIAN BOAT PEOPLE, bare-footed farmers & fisherman escaping from the ADVANCING COMMUNISTS in LEAKY BOATS , flooded to Silicon Valley as ILLITERATE REFUGEES, concentrating in EAST SAN JOSE GHETTOS by Berryesa Road (LITTLE SAIGON).
BahreNeGash 2 months ago
"Reverse racism has become very very problematic in the world today. I’m nothing but scared… I’m scared when I see things like parades for different races. I get scared when I see people quote “take pride” and have a jingoistic relationship to their race which they had no control over- they’ve done nothing for. It is an arbitrary distinction which is scientifically invalid."~Peter Joseph
MyMindTank 2 weeks ago
@DarwinzFriend
Until the USA military pooled out the 25yrs South-East Asian war to "CONTAIN" Chinese communism in 1975, silicon valley was just an Orchard farms, therefore in no need for Asians or Asian labor.
But, as soon as the USA pooled out of Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos, the ASIAN BOAT PEOPLE, bare-footed farmers & fisherman escaping in LEAKY BOATS from the COMMUNISTS, flooded to Silicon Valley as ILLITERATE REFUGEES, concentrating in EAST SAN JOSE GHETTOS by Berryesa Road (LITTLE SAIGON).
BahreNeGash 2 months ago
It's so comical to watch this debate! All of the white speakers are articulate, fluent and gramatically correct in their speech; all the blacks are halting in their speech with glaring errors both in grammar, word usage and logic.
They may as well have gotten up and said " Well, suh, we-uns is all in dah complete unanoniblity dat we is jes as telligent as ahl of you-uns white fokes is...show nuf foe show....dats duh trufe...Jes ax anybodies!!"
Ha Ha Ha!
DarwinzFriend 3 months ago
VERY FUNNY,,, Every con-artist through out human history claims to be 'SCIENTIST", presenting "scientific evidence" to every DECEPTIVE & forged self-serving AGENDA.
ONLY "scientific" HITLERS, preach "scientific" Gospel.
But, HOW ARE ALL WHITES FROM THE SAME ETHNIC RACE/CLAN, when Russians, Germans, Jews, Gypsies, Irish, Scots, English, French,,, EXTERMINATE each other?
Too bad.,,,, YOU CAN NOT FOOL, ALL THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME.
BahreNeGash 4 months ago
@BahreNeGash Speak brother
Abdikarimelmi 2 months ago
Thank you for the invitation but RACE is INSIGNIFICANT & IRRELEVANT to me.
For I can see that, through out BIBLICAL TIMES & human history, the Romans, Greeks, Portuguese, Spanish, Ottoman Turk, Persian, Arab, Japanese, Chinese, English, American EMPIRES etc,,, had tried PROVE THEMSELVES prestigious than their own NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS to ONLY proven WRONG & fall to the dust bins of history.
Therefore, PEOPLE OBSESSED WITH RACE ARE JUST INSECURE OF THEIR OWN STATUES IN THEIR OWN PLACE IN SOCIETY.
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jbearden 4 months ago
@Hereditarian
but the inhabitants of the Nile weren't sub-Saharan Africa.??
Are you some kind of clownish expert on the racial mix of Ancient Africans now? You who have no degree, have never been there or has even a decent grasp of his own countries History let alone an African country. lol Can you see how fucking ridiculous your sad musings sound? You are claiming Africans now to have been what? Swedish people living in the SUN of the hottest place on Earth? lolol oh my days the stupidity.
Raybanmonster 4 months ago
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@jbearden Blacks are indigenous to all parts of Africa including Egypt. Lighter-skinned North Africans migrated there mainly during historical times, particularly the Greco-Roman and Islamic periods.
EgalitarianJay 4 months ago
@jbearden
Are you for real? you think there are no black people in North Africa? are you insane? Have you been there? Phwahahahaaaa what about Mali?No you uneducated quack
Raybanmonster 4 months ago
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Are you sick? Is Egypt your home continent? Why do you think you know about a foreign place than the people who came from the same? Where does this arrogance come from? It is well documented that the ancient Egyptians were not white people or Asians or Latin Americans. What does that leave you? Have you seen a flowing European lock of hair in any depictions of Egypt? Do you think Neferitti bust looks like Brittany spears or Black Somalian Supermodel Iman? Get a life
Raybanmonster 4 months ago
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@Raybanmonster "It is well documented that the ancient Egyptians were not white people or Asians or Latin Americans. What does that leave you?"
It is well documented that MODERN Egyptians are not white people or Asians or Latin Americans. What does that leave you? Answer the question fucktard.
HeCameHeSawGROID 4 months ago
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jbearden 4 months ago
@jbearden Calm down and stop spamming my channel.
EgalitarianJay 4 months ago
@Raybanmonster Mali is sub saharan you ABSOLUTE RETARD. Race and Intelligence? Rayban has all you need to know.
HeCameHeSawGROID 4 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID
No one is following you for a geography lesson, you who is obsessed with my blackness, you have given to following me on twitter and stalking every comment I make, setting up new accounts in my name and yet again here, trying your hand at any subject to try and somehow discredit me.. you a clownish racist with too much time on your hands. lol
Raybanmonster 4 months ago
@Raybanmonster Yeah that's the same comment you put every time I correct your nonsense.
"Mali is in North Africa"
"No it isn't"
"i DIDN't cOME HERE for a GEOGRAPhY LESSON YOU ARE obsessed wiTH MY BLACKNESS"
HeCameHeSawGROID 4 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID
Why so upity? lol
If you believe Mali to be South of the Sahara so be it. No one is coming to you for any advice or information on any thing African are they? Havnt you got better things to do than troll all my Youtube comments? lolol wasnt it you who said Einstein was a fraud? lolol Oh my days... lol
Raybanmonster 4 months ago
@Raybanmonster Well take a look at a population density map of Mali. The vast majority live in the southern part, because the northern part is in the sahara desert. So clearly it is disconnected from the north african civilization, and sub saharan.
What I find funniest is how niggers in europe know even less about africa than white people. And you still claim to be an expert because you have a black face.
You know as much about africa as a second generation zoo animal.
HeCameHeSawGROID 4 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID
I have rebuffed you on twitter, I have refused conversation based on your utter stupidity because our values are different.I stand for academic knowledge,self improvement, human compassion, kindness of spirit and a hard charging approach to get things done, Equity of women, I do not believe the world is going backwards towards hatred, U dont have any advantage o me. Racism is a mental fault, dont u think u should define u by u alone & leave any other type of people out of it?
Raybanmonster 4 months ago
@Raybanmonster What absolute bullshit. You are a sanctimonious moron.
"I stand for academic knowledge"
LMAO. Do you HONESTLY not know how stupid you are? You are probably the most offensive, obnoxious ignoramus I have ever encountered. This is a classic case of the Dunning Kruger effect.
HeCameHeSawGROID 4 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID
Phwahahahaaaa You are mentally ill.
You stalk me on twitter, claim Einstein is a fraud, you come online to insult black people using the N wiord that makes you sound like a wigger Jay-Z wannabe, your obsessed with the sex I am having, the size of my brain and Penis, the academic qualifications I have and still, you have the effrontery to claim I am offensive?
Phwahaha a Fuck off mentally ill knuckle headed cunt. you need black people to survive, black people do not need u
Raybanmonster 4 months ago
@Raybanmonster Mentally ill? You really think so? Specifically what is your diagnosis, Dr. Nig Nog?
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER makes me sound like a white Jay Z? I can agree, actually that sounds a little more intelligent than Jay Z.
"your[sic] obsessed with the sex I am having, the size of my brain and Penis, the academic qualifications I have"
Yes this is all correct. Pretty much zero on all counts.
LOL @ Raybanmonster, offensive nigger
HeCameHeSawGROID 4 months ago
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@HeCameHeSawGROID Phwahahahahahaaaaaa
Graduates have class, that is the stunning overriding thing that comes across when you engage with educated people. You do not have this sensibility. You are no academic Im afraid, what is more, look at your awful low brow English. Epic Fail racist clown, look at your Youtube account name. You spent time constructing that and the many accounts youve now had banned blocked and restricted for racist hate speech?
Your just not fooling anyone, yr Mentally ill
Raybanmonster 4 months ago
@Hereditarian The architects of Ancient Egypian civilization were tropically adapted Africans who resembled modern Nilotics and more Southerly East Africans (ex. Somali and Oromo).
EgalitarianJay 4 months ago
@TheTruthcentric sure-
Sivels 4 months ago
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@Sivels Civilizations have been built without the use of the wheel. The argument about Black inferiority based on historical cultural achievement falls apart when you consider that Africans had civilization in the Nile Valley centuries before Europeans had one to speak of.
MysticNinjaJay 4 months ago
LOOK WHO IS ASKING, Does Diversity Cause Conflict? Is Racism Natural?
After Europeans EXTERMINATED each other for more than 5000yrs & boarded their leaky wind-boats to ESCAPE EUROPE & DISPLACE, EXTERMINATE & LOOT all OTHER human RACES all over America, Asia, Africa, Australia, etc,
When does EXTERMINATION, DISPLACEMENT & LOOTING turn to DIVERSITY?
Where do you draw the line for EXTERMINATION, DISPLACEMENT or DIVERSITY?
So far, The path to hell has ALREADY been paved with "good" intentions.
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jbearden 4 months ago
@jbearden
What's "racist"?
WHAT MAKES ONE TO BE "RACIST"?
Who decides who is racist & who's NOT?
Why is it those who pointed out YOUR CRIMES AGAINST MANKIND, the obvious truth & the historical facts CONDEMNED TO BE "RACISTS"?
Too bad, the truth hurts. Doesn't?
Sure, You would rather justify & cover up the truth.
At some point, SOME ONE HAD TO TELL THE KING NAKED.
So are you.
BahreNeGash 4 months ago
Lets not forget that all men are born equal, just some are born more equal than others. I belive that whites have a higher IQ than blacks( just not quite as high as those little asians). But on the flip side, how many great asian athletets can you name. So you either have high intellignce and low physical at attributes or low physical attributes and a higher mental abilites, so we are all euqal just in diffrent ways. Maybe this is why Tiger Woods is so dam good.
ClarenceBeeks1 5 months ago
@ClarenceBeeks1 There are great Asian athletes. Probably the most visible one right now is Manny Pacquiao, a Filipino Boxer. Then there's Ichiro Suzuki, Michael Chang, Yao Ming, KJ Choi, Hideo Nomo and Dat Nguyen to name a couple more. Did you watch the video? It's been established that there's no scientific basis to the claim that human population evolved differences in mental traits such as intelligence and temperament. Such traits are polygenic but not population specific.
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jbearden 4 months ago
@ClarenceBeeks1 There are great Asian athletes. Probably the most visible one right now is Manny Pacquiao, a Filipino Boxer. Then there's Ichiro Suzuki, Michael Chang, Yao Ming, KJ Choi, Hideo Nomo and Dat Nguyen to name a couple more. Did you watch the video? It's been established that there's no scientific basis to the claim that human population evolved differences in mental traits such as intelligence and temperament. Such traits are polygenic but not population specific.
MysticNinjaJay 5 months ago
@ClarenceBeeks1
China's dominance in the Olympics. The Soviets placed emphasize on athletic competition and rigorous work to triumph, hence Russians today,dont win as many gold Medals as the Soviets.
sovietamerican2 5 months ago
@sovietamerican2 Also their population is smaller.
fringeelements 5 months ago
@fringeelements Russia should still have the genetic stock as most of the Soviet Union so their recent slip in Olympic success is most likely due to culture. I don't deny biological factors in athleticism and other traits. I don't even deny a genetic component to intelligence and variation in intellect but the racialist insistence on race and intelligence being linked while acting like their evidence is overwhelming and trying to take the Scientific High Ground on the issue is ridiculous.
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@retrogamerist Evidence that "no race has a generalised predisposition to being smart or dumb." You understand that that is claim that require empirical evidence? Are you saying that the well known black white IQ gap has an entirely non genetic etiology? How do you know? What is your evidence?
HeCameHeSawGROID 5 months ago
@retrogamerist And why should they "understand" that? What evidence do you have for it?
HeCameHeSawGROID 5 months ago
Many of you don´t realise that when we talk about racial IQ averages, we are dealing with AVERAGES.
Say 10 people take a test. Their scores are: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. 1 being the least score possible, and 12 being the highest score possible.
Another group of 10 takes the same test and scores are: 1,1,1,3,5,7,8,8,9,12 What is the average score of each group? NB. if u cannot solve this ur IQ is certainly low! Do the averages tell u anything about the composition of both groups?
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TheAsianEngineer 6 months ago
@TheAsianEngineer As a black(mixed race) person I salute the ASIAN MASTER RACE! LOL! You are so right, it only works for them if they end up on the top. When you try to use their own logic against them then they shift the goal post to other factors. It is as difficult to get through to a racist as much as it is to get through to a religious fundamentalist.
EarlRegent 6 months ago
The racial IQ gap seems to explain the catastrophic condition of black populations worldwide. A recent standardized exam in Detroit public schools found that 69% of black students failed to meet national benchmarks--that their scores were the same as if they answered the test questions randomly! That's frightening. It means their cognitive powers, their ability to comprehend, analyze and synthesize, is shockingly weak. Yet so many are boisterous and loud. Are they just shouting nonsense?
takfam07 6 months ago
@takfam07 Or perhaps IQ correlates with racial groups worldwide because human societies have been effected by racism worldwide leading to disparities in standard of living and quality of education which leads to differences in the nurturing of IQ.
MysticNinjaJay 6 months ago
@MysticNinjaJay I agree IQ is probably cultural, not hereditary. However I don't think it's entirely a result of monolithic racist oppression. It is also the result of how societies choose to deal with consequences of contact with Europeans--oppressive or otherwise. Some groups fare better than others in dealing with European imperialist expansion that dominated the world from 14th-20th centuries. This presumes more self-determinism and free will than most undeveloped cultures will admit.
takfam07 6 months ago
@takfam07 Not all populations have the same history with European contact. East Asian populations for instance were not colonized, enslaved or displaced through genocide. The world economy was shaped by Western European imperialism. Generally the less technologically advanced a people were the more severely they were exploited. Racialists often look to cultural achievement as a reflection of intelligence and ignore anything other than a genetic explanation for cultural differences.
MysticNinjaJay 6 months ago
@MysticNinjaJay True. And sadly, many primitive societies were highly susceptible to corruption, at the expense of their own race. For example, From the 14-19th centuries, an estimated 80-200 million Africans were shipped as slaves to Europe, the Middle East and the New World. And the vast majority were sold by black leaders to the Arabs and Europeans. As one African chief put it: "you have 3 things we want--powder, ball and brandy. And we have 3 things to sell--men, women and children."
takfam07 6 months ago
@takfam07 80-200 million Africans shipped to Europe? If 200 million were taken. Let's do the math on that.
200,000,000 / 250 slaves per ship which was typical, equals only 8,000,000 ship loads. Seems high. I think you better check your math.
myfletcher 6 months ago
@myfletcher Actually, it would be 800,000 shiploads at 250 slaves per ship. (Or perhaps 80,000 shiploads at 2,500 per ship-- if they used the 18th century equivalent of the "Royal Princess" line). But you're right, either was 200 million sounds way too high, even spread over four centuries.
I got these figures from African Economist Tunde Obadina and his essay on the African Slave Trade (google "Obadina Slave Trade"). But you should definitely read the article--it's a sobering eye-opener.
takfam07 6 months ago
@takfam07 Were there 200 million people in Africa back then? Blacks tend to put the numbers up much higher than whites. That much I know.
I believe the number of American Indians in ALL of North America, Canada to Mexico is estimated from just 2.1 to 30 million. The population of Paris was estimated at just 415,000 in 1637. Populations all primitive cultures were very low. Slave ships carried a max of about 500, 250 as the average.
myfletcher 6 months ago
@myfletcher Not sure about 200 million. Maybe in the aggregate over four centuries. But yes, marginalized cultures always revise history by inflating their numbers at the coming of the white man, in order to enhance their victim status, and to magnify white crime. But the fact is, most were agrarian or (at best) semi-feudal societies who were not designed to hold large populations.
takfam07 6 months ago
@takfam07 IQ is probably more genetic than cultural [Science 250 (4978): 223–8].
apresesco 6 months ago
@MysticNinjaJay when caucasian Europeans came to Africa they hadn't even invented the wheel. You're saying that racism (codeword for white--oppressing->black) is at fault. What an astonishingly original idea!
Sivels 5 months ago
@Sivels African civilization predates European civilization by thousands of years and the wheel was invented in Mesopotamia not Europe. There were several kingdoms and complex societies in Africa many of which were documented by Middle Eastern and European travelers.
EgalitarianJay 5 months ago
@EgalitarianJay It was not invented in Mesopotamia. It's in fact unknown exactly where it was invented, maybe it was some caveman, but there's a consensus among archeologists that it was probably invented somewhere in Asia.
"African civilization predates European civilization" the age enlightenment and reason and the Renaissance that has leaped the Western world from being farmers digging in the dirt with their bare hands have all been eurocentric
Sivels 5 months ago
google:
"Intelligence tests highlight importance of genetic differencesr"
Quote:
"Intelligence is known to run in families, but no single genes have yet been identified that can be reliably linked to mental ability."
myfletcher 7 months ago
@myfletcher That's because intelligence is thought to be the result of multiple biological factors.
Whiteoutx86 7 months ago
when racist barriers are removed, highly intelligent blacks can be successful. simple
Raybanmonster 7 months ago
@Raybanmonster highly intelligent blacks... Thus the Paradoxs. Their Low intelliegence i blame on White Racism, thus the cycle of bullshit continues
runisunke 7 months ago
@runisunke
YES, LIKE MRS OBAMA, IMAN, AND PELE WOULD AGREE, IT IS ITERATIVE ISNT IT.
Raybanmonster 7 months ago
@Raybanmonster "when racist barriers are removed, highly intelligent blacks can be successful. simple"
How would removal of the existing racial barriers to white and East Asian success allow more success for high-IQ blacks?
hitssquad 7 months ago
@hitssquad
What a ridiculous inference and opposing question you came out with. Your EQ is so low it obscures your objectivity. Please... do not reply to me with such nonsensical randomness again.
Raybanmonster 7 months ago
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@Raybanmonster "Your EQ is so low"
Encephalization quotient?: en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Encephalization_quotient
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How low is it?
hitssquad 7 months ago
@hitssquad
Because they will be judged for their mental capacity and talent and not by being well...black
SuicidalKiller4life 6 months ago
Amerindians are the unequivocal descendents of Siberian hunters, those very adjacent to the cognitively demanding Pleistocene environment that Mongoloids evolved in. Thus it is safe to assume that the (true) IQ of amerindians is 102-103. The true hispanic IQ thus should be equal to that of whites. I would rank the true IQ of races as follows, taking in to account history. Indians-110-North East Asians 105-Amerindians 102-Persians( Middle East-101 and whites/hispanics 100
sovietamerican2 7 months ago
The first guy needs to learn what family resemblance means. There doesn't need to be essentialism in thsi context.
darklord220 7 months ago
There's a point. Since a higher proportion of niggers are dependent on state aid to produce children in the USA, and heritability is agreed to be high in both groups, isn't it logically certain that even if black ans d whites were equal, at this point groid IQ must have dropped relatively? Just hypothetical, of course groids are not equal.
HeCameHeSawGROID 8 months ago
@Raybanmonster
This video is labeled as a scientific debate because it is a debate among scholars about race and intelligence. Whether race is a valid taxanomy or not it is a concept that is discussed in science. I think you would be quite pleased with this video actually.
MysticNinjaJay 8 months ago
What a sham. There is no SCIENTIFIC DEBATE on race and intelligence because race is not a scientific taxonomy . end of racist discussion
Raybanmonster 8 months ago
@ray25620
Disparities in standard of living between ethnic grouos can be explained by evironmental differences which influence culture. There is no biological rationale for assuming there are racial differences in intelligence. Listen to Graves reasoning in the video. He is an expert on evolutionary biology.
MysticNinjaJay 9 months ago 2
@ray25620 Darwin himself did not believe in intelligence differences between human races. Scientific research suggests humans have lived in one region (Africa) far longer than they have lived elsewhere so our evolutuionary history indicates we have more in common than we have differences.
MysticNinjaJay 9 months ago
There are no empirical reasons for even suspecting that races have the same IQ. Blacks do all those things we associate with low IQ, petty crime, illegitimacy, drug abuse, school expulsions, unemployment. Chinese do all those things we associate with high IQ, school achievement, professional qualifications, low crime rate, stable marriages. What empirical grounds are there for the belief that all the races have the same IQ? There are none. Such a belief is driven by ideology, like religion.
ray25620 9 months ago
@ray25620 ..To be under the nihilistic belief that intelligence is fundamentally fixed is retarded. No matter how much one is exposed to or studies, their intelligence will remain fixed? Retarded. Once one figures out exactly what IQ tests wants from them, intelligence still remains fixed? Even more retarded. If this we're the case. We're ALL incapable of learning. People learn...Just slap a number on a person brain and call it a day? LOLOL
gmccall22 9 months ago
@ray25620 The same thing was said about Irish people once upon a time. And I dont think you grasp the concept of evolution if you think more time = more intelligence.
scientific1982 8 months ago
@scientific1982 Yes, more time can reduce intelligence. Such as in the welfare nigger community.
HeCameHeSawGROID 8 months ago
Racial differences in intelligence are EXACTLY what Darwin's theory predicts, because each race has developed in isolation over thousands of years, which is exactly the driver of evolution. If therewere no racial differences in intelligence then that would disprove evolution for humankind and perhaps would prove the existence of God.
ray25620 9 months ago
@ray25620 ..Darwin ? Where's vitality in following gurus? Where's the creative energy? Where's the original thought? Vitality is lost when relying SOLELY on guru research....Asians don't commit many crimes? maybe not in America. See the Triads, the sale of babies, see the japanese drug and prostitution rings. Any organized crime anywhere constitutes nothing less than a guerilla war against ALL of society. And this is people with high IQ's...Where's common sense? Good grief
gmccall22 9 months ago
@HyperBorealOperator It was never argued that morphological traits are not distinguishable only that classifying people into biologically distinct groups based on their morphological traits isn't justified. Disotell's focus is on criteria for classification and argues that because human biological variation is discordant there is no basis for grouping human populations into sub-species.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago 2
@HyperBorealOperator
You already said that the gap is increasing, yet in the United States it has been a consistent standard deviation, so in Europe it is increasing because you want it to?? The blacks who can afford to go to Europe are not from the bottom of the barrel, that is preposterous. Where do you get your sources?? Majorityright?? LoL!! Nisbett already proved the smartest blacks have more African ancestry in them, so what you are telling me is meaningless.
sovietamerican2 10 months ago
@sovietamerican2 Yeah this is a myth. So many africans drive cars, and have flats. And ofcourse they can afford to save 1000 dollars to leave their country and get to europe. Even the lower IQ ones considering the fact that the imigration restrictions in lots of european countries are not that strict as America Then they children perfom far much better then their parents due to better environment. I have also met some metal workers from Africas here in Europe.
DennyJohnny 7 months ago
@sovietamerican2 HyperBorealOperator just thinks the stereotypical of Africa because he only knows it from the Media. I have been there and I can say that even africans from the ghettos save money to come to europe. THATS the reason why they come to europe. if they would be the TOP IQ why should they move if they had a good job and wealth. But they are not that poor as it often suggested by Americans and Europeans due to what they see about africa on TV :D
DennyJohnny 7 months ago
@HyperBorealOperator
The average IQ gap is decreasing, it is impossible that most black people would mate with asians/indians or Europeans, which is the reason for the increase in the mean IQ. There is high selective immigration of black africans with IQ's in the 115 in the Western world, especially Europe. This would indicate an increase in the IQ of blacks in Europe. What you are telling me is a bunch of wishfull thinking and assumptions, not coalescing with reality.
sovietamerican2 10 months ago
@sovietamerican2 most african americans are 20% white european on average so that should be taken into account. You may want to look up a term called "regression towards the mean"
ScoundrelzNTwK 10 months ago
@ScoundrelzNTwK
That is more assumption data- my previous posts debunk it already.
sovietamerican2 9 months ago
@sovietamerican2 are you joking me? There is no selection of immigrants IQ at all. However, it is the case in Australia and look how strong their economy. I wonder if there is a connection.
Seano71 9 months ago
@Seano71
Did you not understand what I said?? I said those people in Africa, coming over have the intelligence and the money to be able to do so. It is impossible for a low IQ black to make it to Britain and Europe lol!!!
sovietamerican2 9 months ago
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DennyJohnny 7 months ago
@HyperBorealOperator
Lol, it is decreasing, not increasing. It would make no sense for it to decrease, especially with selective black immigration in Europe.
sovietamerican2 10 months ago
To those that say Rushton will never be disproven, you are wrong. The black-white IQ gap in Europe is shrinking, and as for Africa, they have alot of turmoil that is detrimental to their overall development. Read "where have all the Liberals gone." It explains many things, one of them is that the Black-white IQ gap in Germany is gone. When Africa gets their shit together, and blacks in several nations also rise up, there would be no gap.
sovietamerican2 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960
AS things become better for blacks, statistically there will be individuals who will strive to go in to math and science, and succeed. Which brings me to my next question, why would blacks be inferior???hmm......... Its already been proven that the smartest black people have more black in them than white.
sovietamerican2 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960
Coincidences do exist, and for the record, different ways of thinking and a build up of intuition over time doesnt qualify as superior intelligence. Low income does that to you, it makes you on average score bad on everything. IQ's have been rising, back in the 1930's, white americans had an IQ of 85, now look at them.
sovietamerican2 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 I spend less time on this stuff than you do. At best this is mild entertainment for me. For you the subject matter forms the basis of an ideology you have a strong emotional attachment to. I do other stuff on the internet and on Youtube. Don't worry about what I do in the real world it's none of your business. You can strongly disagree with the views being expressed here but do not personally attack me or anyone else. If you do you will be blocked. That's my final warning.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay
Hey man, it is amazing the amount of logical holes the hereditarian hypothesis has, isnt it?? Lol I find it funny and sad
sovietamerican2 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 That's going to be your last personal attack on my channel. If you do it again you'll be banned.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 You talk about Whites as some type of collective. 12% of Blacks will score above the White mean of 100? What is that based on? And no I didn't lie plenty of counter evidence was presented in this video as well as by me across these debates. The most damning evidence against your views is that Rushton's evolutionary theory was discredited and the racial admixture studies cited by Nisbett show that White ancestry doesn't make Blacks smarter. And Black IQ is rising.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 The problem with your arguments is that it is based on assumptions and not proof. There is plenty of evidence that invalidates or seriously challenges your core assumptions. You also have to deal with the reality that there are individual Blacks that are clearly more intelligent and successful than individual Whites.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 I don't recall telling you to send me multiple articles.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 Don't send me any more articles via PM please. I'm actually going to cool off debating this stuff for awhile. I've had intense discussions over this issue on several platforms recently.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@andrzejewski1960 Alot of people regardless of culture still feel that way. My perspective is that if society has a problem with interracial relationships there is something wrong with society. If it were unnatural to mix so-called races it would not be possible to do so. Also Ali is talking about different species of birds who can't mate together. If you put breeds of dogs together they will intermingle indiscriminately. That's why I believe people should be. Cut the racist bullshit.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay "If it were unnatural to mix so-called races it would not be possible to do so."
Wow, I'm off to shove a banana up my ass....
HeCameHeSawGROID 10 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID Good luck with that. What do you have against my comment?
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay "Possible" is not the same as "natural" or "desirable". Don't get me wrong, I think you're disingenuous, but sometimes I wonder if you really are that thick.
HeCameHeSawGROID 10 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID Noone said anything about desirable. That's a matter of opinion. It is indeed natural for members of the same species to mate and produce fertile offspring.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay "My perspective is that if society has a problem with interracial relationships there is something wrong with society. If it were unnatural to mix so-called races it would not be possible to do so."
Clearly you are using "natural" with overtones of "desirable". You go from discussing how society should not have a problem, to how it is "natural" because it is "possible".
HeCameHeSawGROID 10 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID I'm not using it as an overtone I am saying that society is the one that has a problem with something that is natural. What is desirable or undesirable to society is irrelevant to nature.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay Is it "natural" because it is "possible"? Your logic is wrong, or you are using "natural" in a very twisted sense.
HeCameHeSawGROID 10 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID I mean it's "possible" to breed only those who have congenital deformities and mental retardation. Does that mean it's "natural" and "society should not have a problem with it"?
HeCameHeSawGROID 10 months ago
@HeCameHeSawGROID Is it unnatural for people with deformities and mental disability to mate? No. My point is that there is nothing unnatural about it. Whether society should accept it is a matter of opinion.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay I think you are playing fast and loose with the ambiguity of "natural". Disingenuous. Most people think it means "normal" not "possible" or "happens sometimes". Also earlier you reasoned from "natural" (in your opinion) to "society should accept it".
HeCameHeSawGROID 10 months ago
Wow, I guess Rushton made a fool of himself, go figure. His conjectures and wishful thinkings on white supremacy are unfounded and unsubstantiated by science. Instead he goes along contemplating that correlation is unequivocally causation. He refuses to acquiesce to the concept that civilizations and intelligence evolve around warm weather, not the nordic environment he proclaims. He is a charlatan and a pretentious acrimonious psychologist, who is a mere pseudoscientist, nothing more.
sovietamerican2 10 months ago
Now I'm "trolling" because you just got nailed to a cross? Who's the troll going thru my playlists, calling me "insecure"? As if your meaningless ad hominem assumptions have anything to do with the content of this video? I was justified in seeking clarity when a fraud tries to dilute scientific inquiry with buzzwords like the last presenter in this video did when he dropped the r-bomb (IN THIS VIDEO)
strong8action 10 months ago
@strong8action The problem is you're not actually addressing the scientific arguments in the video but going on and on about the word racist. You're only empowering the word by doing that.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay I have no problem addressing the scientific arguments, but it makes sense to establish/define our terms at the outset. It happens that we entered a mini semantic debate, which I maintain that I won on both factual and moral grounds. Moving to the scientific argument, I think Rushon's theoretical analysis is sound because he uses facts and graphs to illustrate a non biased depiction of population behavioral traits around the globe. I agree that it's not a question of superiority.
strong8action 10 months ago
@strong8action Here are my problems with this claim. 1. His evolutionary argument was refuted by Graves based on empirical experiments which falsified r/K selection theory 2. His claim of population behavioral traits is based on crime rates which is unrepresentative of the general population
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
@EgalitarianJay Graves didn't refute r/K selection theory in whole, although he may have exposed weaknesses. Keep in mind that ALL theories must be revised as new information comes to light. For example, blacks exhibit higher fecundity than whites, and higher fecundity is considered an r selected trait. Regarding your issue with crime rates. Rushton also discuses sexual behavior traits, and they ARE representative of the general population. Both show a three way split among Blk,Wht, Asn.
strong8action 10 months ago
@strong8action Yes he did show that the theory was falsified. Rushton did not show any empirical proof that Blacks exhibited greater fecundity than Whites. He bases this on twinning rates although Graves pointed out to me in email that Rushton's data show no source for standard deviation or sample size which are necessary to establish this claim. His claims about sexual behavior are also rubbish. He doesn't provide any evidence of this beyond STD rates which don't objectively indicate behavior.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
I'm not complaining about words. In academia, there is a phrase called "define your terms". It's very useful in combating buzzwords, fostering clarity in communication. Unfortunately, you wish to characterize me as "complaining", but seeking clarity and exposing fraud is not complaining. Here's an idea, if Trotsky USED the word in 1930 documents, he is the progenitor. He coined and first used it. That's the true etymogical basis. Today, the r-word continues to be used in a europhobic sense.
strong8action 10 months ago
@strong8action Yet I have already defined the term citing its etymology and the dictionary and you continue to fixate on it despite my recommendation that you move onto other things. At this stage your behavior must be considered trolling because you refuse to address the actual video and want a long winded off-topic argument over the word racist. I don't really care what your view on the word racist is so stop talking about it over and over. I personally will use it when appropriate to do so.
EgalitarianJay 10 months ago
The people in the audience acted like a pack of hyenas towards the end. Its too bad there was a lack of decorum, in my opinion. I know its an emotional topic for many, but science is designed expressly to view the world objectively, unabated by fickle emotional outbursts. I still don't understand what people mean when they say this was "racist". Is that a pejorative attack on science, or do they just not like the results?
strong8action 10 months ago