I suppose you misunderstand my idea! Independent could be equal to separate. Hence, 宜兰is different from places you mentioned. Actually, it is more close to Taipei county or Keelung city. Wish this can be useful. BTW, Dr. Lin is a judicious economist and banker.
That's why the high unempolyment rate is so high and people are so poor. People should not object blindly without knowing what the environment technology is behind it. This is the biggest regret of I-Lan people. Look at the argument given in the interview, just so weak without factual argument. Sad...
How ironic... You are the perfect example of the type of people you just described yourself. Stop making blunt comment on something you obviously don't have a clue of. You're making a statement without any factual argument either.
Why don't you tell us what exactly was behind the "environmental technology" of 台塑 Mr. Wiseguy?
Here is my suggestion to you, Mr. Objective; do your homework before posting. Stop making a fool out of yourself; and stop being a hypocrite.
What does this have to do with hyporcracy? I love I-Lan, and I just bought a house there a few months ago. The house was built more than 10 years ago and the price was down by 30%! The infrastructure is third world class and the income level is among the lowest in the country, what other evidence do you need? Do you work and live in I-Lan? did you visit Formasa in Yun-Ling? Please do not use irresponsible words to critize others, this is just not nice.
Today must be your lucky day. I grew up and live in Ilan and I also lived in 雲林 for half year in 06. Have you visited Formosa in Yun-Lin? Do you actually know anything about the types of environmental measures and implementation they have there? You're accusing me of being irresponsible and yet you couldn't back up any of your claims; you're accusing others of making false claims and yet you couldn't validate your own claims, if that is not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
If you're just gonna continue making claims without any valid backup, then you're just really making a fool out of yourself. I mean, really. Show us the beef.
雲林自來水 致癌物砷超標
居民不滿未告知「喝出問題誰負責」
2012年 01月30日
bj8888jb 1 month ago
@bj8888jb 這個問題其實不應該被提出的,因為民主社會的真諦其實不能允許任何一個人被犧牲。當考慮到會犧牲人民的健康時,這個議題就應該被中止了
chaosstory 1 week ago
@chaosstory 美牛還不是~!
bj8888jb 1 week ago
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台灣的"企業家"不會計算外不成本,不知道是數學不好,還是沒有心肝
williampisce 2 months ago
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他們都死了!! 他們的主張~今日回頭看來.....滋味無窮
今日的藍綠紛爭~是不是~也將過往雲煙呢?
大家都說活在當下 享受生命....
今日子孫看看那當時的紛爭 似似乎 看見了
有人前瞻的看見了"青天" (汗顏)
ps 那開場白的小子 不是2100的搧風者ㄇ
artfun228 3 months ago
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artfun228 3 months ago
每次看到台塑爆炸
就會想起三十年前的縣長 守護了三十年後的未來
希望他在天上 能夠繼續守護著這片土地
不能說王永慶是錯的 只能說立場不同罷了
但王永慶留下的是物質 陳定南遺愛的是精神
兩者在時間的考驗下 高下立判!!!
Lxr213 6 months ago 2
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Lxr213 6 months ago
【更正】錄影日期為76.12.09,播放日期為76.12.13 才對喔~ ^_^~
glimmer1976 6 months ago
政客誰短視誰有遠見...
現在很清楚了!
learnman1 7 months ago
不得不佩服陳定南的遠見...
宜蘭人沒了石化工業
卻多了品質跟幸福!
learnman1 7 months ago
六輕又爆了
stevencheng1988 7 months ago
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現在麥寮那些受害者,一部分也曾經被國民黨發動迎接六輕,現在是後悔莫及,真得應了一句「害人又害已」,反觀宜蘭因為當初地方首長的遠見,保住了一片好山好水,麥寮近來就發生了三次爆炸大火,毒氣漫天,生態、土地環境遭受到破壞,人民罹癌率增加;相反的,當初反六輕的宜蘭卻是歡喜迎接綠博,享受花與綠和新鮮好空氣,真的很諷刺!讓雲林人更嘔的是之前台塑和國民黨官員虛構的承諾,那些什麼帶動經濟發展,增加地方就業人口、福利設施建設全部都跳票,除了醫院在興建中(蓋好再賺麥寮人罹癌的錢,台塑、長庚在雲林真的是一石二鳥),選對一個首長對中央或地方來說,真的是興亡之間的差別,一九九一年八月,當時的雲林縣長廖泉裕、議長張榮味、國民黨縣黨部主委薛正直、麥寮鄉長林松村,是雲林縣今日慘況的罪魁禍首,雖這其中有的死了,有的仍逍遙過日的,但是人民的怒氣會轉變成怨念,將來報在這些人後代子孫身上。
reg3122010 9 months ago
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reg3122010 9 months ago
國光石化 也蓋在麥寮好了,反正麥寮都爛掉了~~~
話說,林明昌的兒子,還是一堆人擁護~~~
survive4survey 10 months ago
Cancer Manufacturer...
sonpp945 10 months ago
以GOOGLE概估,六輕在麥寮築起長8.5KM寬3.4KM,請各位自行用GOOGLE看看,從你家算起8.5公里是多長的距離,你能想像嗎,將近塊一個宜蘭市的大小。政客、財團可以往國外去爽,那我們這些農民能去哪?當年多少雲林的民眾們被政客洗腦,鑼鼓喧天的歡迎六輕設廠,現在換到的是什麼??
pigeggbon 10 months ago
20年前的政客 跟20年後的政客 講話內容都一樣
就.......400億投資 可帶來稅收 繁榮地方 增加就業..城市升等............結果...............屁!.
但台灣還是有人 為了幾百塊 出賣人格 甘願被騙!
台灣人 哪時候才會有遠見?
3988jc 1 year ago
現在政治界就是少了向陳定南的這樣政治人物...
hsujames63 1 year ago
@hsujames63 不是少了陳定南,而是台灣多了國民黨這種黑心貨,而這種下流貨本不屬於台灣!要知道當初是連中國也不想要,而把牠們掃地出門的。當初迎接六輕的不論是廖泉裕、張榮味…等地方首長、民代,還有當時那個國民黨黨部主委,全都是國民黨籍的,這其中有沒有官商勾結,其實問問地方人士都知道!
reg3122010 9 months ago
想念陳定南
jewellai1978 1 year ago
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懷念陳縣長
敬佩他對 對的理念堅持
5790558 1 year ago
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懷念陳縣長
敬佩他對 對的理念堅持
5790558 1 year ago
懷念陳縣長
敬佩他對 對的理念堅持
5790558 1 year ago
看看麥寮吧!!真的有台塑說的那樣嗎,台塑真的說到做到嗎??
為什麼長庚沒有做調查,是沒有調查還是不敢調查???或者是不公布呢????
a1616256q 1 year ago 2
沒有陳定南的堅持就沒有現在宜蘭
先知識寂寞的.....安息吧
liyun34 1 year ago 4
好年輕的李濤喔!!!
lion810816 1 year ago
雲林到現在還是很窮
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lsktn8603 1 year ago
幸好六輕沒蓋在宜蘭,陳定南是先知
mikimotoh 1 year ago 16
剝掉經營之神的光鮮外皮,骨子裡原來是毒害土地的惡鬼
kyasob 1 year ago
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云林人、高雄人、彰化人都去死吧
mhc009 1 year ago
@mhc009 中國政腐允許你翻牆嗎?
還是你是中國政腐的5毛軍
叫個兩聲我就給你1塊
ffu832658 1 year ago
@mhc009 見ㄧ隻支那豬就砍死ㄧ隻的行動開始
ffu832658 1 year ago
@mhc009 為什麼不是你去死呢?
huanlung 1 year ago
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@huanlung 因为云林人、高雄人、彰化人他们有被虐待狂病症,我可没有
mhc009 1 year ago
懷念陳定南老縣長,宜蘭人永遠感謝您!
maymeik 1 year ago 8
現在的雲林失業率有比宜蘭低嗎?沒有! 雲林在外地工作的比率有比宜蘭少嗎?沒有!
雲林有了台塑後生活有更好嗎?沒有!
當初六輕說要在雲林造鎮、創造20萬就業機會,實現了嗎?沒有!
現況六輕真如王永慶說的是 零污染工業嗎?不是!
ukey783 1 year ago 9
哇
好珍貴的影片
56ching 2 years ago
這些有智慧有遠觀的長輩替我們保護住了20多年的美麗宜蘭遠景,我們能替未來20年的人做些什麼....看看雲林吧
okley0523 2 years ago 10
影片裡的林明昌
是這次國民黨提名的宜蘭市縣議員參選人林岳賢的爸爸
MorningHaine 2 years ago
污染都留給雲林人了,真甘心。
bastain12000 2 years ago 3
主播是李濤嗎?
taiyujuin 2 years ago 2
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到了2008這一年,兩位主角都過世了,陳定南留給宜蘭人的沒有增加,王永慶留給雲林人的越來越多。
minmouse0927 2 years ago
越來越多污染,越來越多人得癌症。
TEAMJGY 2 years ago 27
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minmouse0928 2 years ago
(附圖3)麥寮國小海豐分校小朋友書包中放著口罩,隨時要派上用場。(記者方賓照攝)
minmouse0927 2 years ago 7
(附圖2)懷孕的老師,在常瀰漫刺鼻臭味的環境中上課,心理壓力可想而知。(記者方賓照攝)
minmouse0927 2 years ago 6
(附圖1)麥寮國小海豐分校距六輕僅三公里,是工業局六輕健康風險報告點名五大高風險學校之一,小朋友天真笑容,絲毫不知道自己生活在風險環境中。(記者方賓照攝)
minmouse0927 2 years ago 9
「難道我們鼻子都有問題?還是環保局放水?」是鄉民心中最大納悶。新興國小資深女職員就說,最近兩年,每天早上出門到校,常覺得頭暈、全身無力、手不自主發抖,傍晚返家,一開車庫,悶熱的臭味撲鼻,到那裡都擺脫不了毒氣,實在是「走嘸路啊!」
minmouse0927 2 years ago 6
月投訴17次 紀錄寫無異味
新興國小校長丁福慶,曾創下一個月向環保局投訴十七次的紀錄!常一週連續三、五天都有臭味,有時次數太過頻繁,學校職員還會婉轉對師生說:「忍耐一點,等氣味濃些再通報環保局!」儘管如此,翻開學校公布欄掛著的縣環保局六輕臭味巡查紀錄簿,幾乎都紀錄「無異味」。
minmouse0927 2 years ago 5
「有冷氣後,孩子更敏感,下課跑出戶外,不久又紛紛摀鼻衝回冷氣房。」為對抗臭味,新興國小在校園內種植大樟木、羅漢松、老榕樹,請老樹幫忙阻斷臭味,但成效有限。
minmouse0927 2 years ago 5
種樹抗臭氣 無奈成效有限
台西鄉新興國小,是六輕唯一為全校教室裝設冷氣、支付電費的學校。校方表示,台塑希望學校節約用電,數次要求師生少吹冷氣,但小朋友常常一早來就覺得臭,吵著開冷氣,臭氣有時到下午都還沒散去。
新興國小老師說,有的師生聞臭味聞到出師,已能分辨飄來的是重油味、瓦斯味、人工芳香劑或是酸醋味。
minmouse0927 2 years ago 5
「如果我知道懷了第二胎,就不會從麥寮國小調過來和丈夫同校!」謝老師挺著八個月大的肚子,穿梭在常現惡臭的海豐分校,令人心驚。「擔心也沒有用啊!現在少子化,每個學校都有超額老師,要調去那裡?」她一臉無奈。
minmouse0927 2 years ago 4
別人聞到臭味趕緊閃躲,海豐分校主任廖玉華最無奈,她必須拿著氣體採樣瓶,第一時間趕到最臭的地方採樣,並通知台塑人員到校取走樣本化驗,連躲臭味的權利都沒有。她淡淡說:「比較輕微的臭氣,別人聞得到,我聞不到,可能嗅覺麻痺了。」
minmouse0927 2 years ago
爸媽在六輕上班 不敢說壞話
天真的孩子,把聞臭之苦,變成好玩的事。也有小朋友的爸爸、媽媽在六輕上班,不敢講六輕壞話,只擔心家人為了賺錢,犧牲健康。
minmouse0927 2 years ago
四年庚班每個學生抽屜,都放有五顏六色口罩。其中兩個女生,還把對抗六輕的「秘密武器」收在心型小鐵盒。三年級有個小男生,每聞到臭味,就把左手掌貼在右腋,猛振右臂,發出「噗噗噗」聲音,問誰在「放屁」?逗得老師、同學笑呵呵。
minmouse0927 2 years ago
聞臭酸塑膠味 走路搖搖晃晃
怎樣臭?小三的鄭又瑋形容,「就像塑膠燒起來臭臭、酸酸的,簡直臭到爆,頭腦昏昏,下課走路還搖搖晃晃。」小四的許庭榕則坦言,「聞了一個早上,常常中午吃不下飯」。
minmouse0927 2 years ago
近百名師生,終日生活在臭味恐懼的環境中,也都培養出一套閃躲臭味的反應模式,「捏鼻、摀嘴、戴口罩」成為校園中最熟悉的景象。
「老師,好臭好臭!」;「忍耐一點,口罩戴上,繼續上課!」這類對話,不時在課堂上演。小朋友說:「一週大概有三天聞到臭味,尤其早上第一、二節」。「有時還臭到第三節!」許佩鈺同學懊惱地說。
minmouse0927 2 years ago
海豐分校師生 身心受折磨
海豐分校距六輕僅三公里,是經濟部工業局二○○五年出爐六輕健康風險報告中,直接點名五大高風險學校之一。記者實地走訪該校,一進校門,小朋友天真笑容與不遠處六輕高聳煙囪排放出濃濃廢氣,對鄉民造成的心理恐懼,形成強烈對比。
minmouse0927 2 years ago
「我覺得六輕把我們當垃圾,讓我們一直吸毒氣、一直吸、一直吸」、「六輕很不衛生、沒有公德心」、「有時臭到真想拿椅子砸過去、把『它』巴下去!」麥寮國小海豐分校學生,提起六輕,你一言我一語,猛吐怨氣。
minmouse0927 2 years ago
學童聞惡臭 「六輕把我當垃圾 」
2009-6-28自由電子報
minmouse0927 2 years ago
正解。
minmouse0927 2 years ago
我覺得陳定南當時的堅持是對的~~
至少宜蘭現在依然保持著它的好山好水~~不是嗎~~
justsport 3 years ago 50
These two guys are good guys. But, they have different standpoints. Taiwan should cherish and respect this kind of persons.
sanctum2002 3 years ago
Please be fair! Don't say something you don't understand. I can pity your lack of conservative concepts.
sanctum2002 3 years ago
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宜兰?就是林毅夫老家的那个?是在台中还是台南?
tobeornot00 3 years ago
Actually, it's in the northeast, an independent county. I'm sorry I can type only in English because of the computer system. You're right!
sanctum2002 3 years ago
宜兰 is a independent county in Taiwan?How could it be?
tobeornot00 3 years ago
I suppose you misunderstand my idea! Independent could be equal to separate. Hence, 宜兰is different from places you mentioned. Actually, it is more close to Taipei county or Keelung city. Wish this can be useful. BTW, Dr. Lin is a judicious economist and banker.
sanctum2002 3 years ago
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知道了,宜兰是在台北县和基隆之间的一个地方.
tobeornot00 3 years ago
陳定南不是害怕宜蘭人有錢、而是身為宜蘭弟子的他、不忍心看宜蘭人繼續被欺副、繼續落後、繼續被打壓、他不忍心宜蘭出現像你這種無知的弟子。
siaoguai 3 years ago
哇~感謝分享 實在太感動哩
ccf1812t 3 years ago 4
還好沒有在宜蘭設廠
bctvanw 3 years ago 5
That's why the high unempolyment rate is so high and people are so poor. People should not object blindly without knowing what the environment technology is behind it. This is the biggest regret of I-Lan people. Look at the argument given in the interview, just so weak without factual argument. Sad...
yehjenyu 3 years ago
I-Lan is doing fine.
You should take a look at Yulin. All they got is the factory and the polutions...
1. TW's unemployment rate isn't that high.
2. TW isn't poor.
3. TW慢慢轉向為服務業為導向, 以前失業率不高但許多人都窩在小工場做代工賺個幾千塊
4. 目前的結論..雲林苦了, 宜蘭人健康幸福
bctvanw 3 years ago 4
How ironic... You are the perfect example of the type of people you just described yourself. Stop making blunt comment on something you obviously don't have a clue of. You're making a statement without any factual argument either.
Why don't you tell us what exactly was behind the "environmental technology" of 台塑 Mr. Wiseguy?
Here is my suggestion to you, Mr. Objective; do your homework before posting. Stop making a fool out of yourself; and stop being a hypocrite.
siaoguai 3 years ago
What does this have to do with hyporcracy? I love I-Lan, and I just bought a house there a few months ago. The house was built more than 10 years ago and the price was down by 30%! The infrastructure is third world class and the income level is among the lowest in the country, what other evidence do you need? Do you work and live in I-Lan? did you visit Formasa in Yun-Ling? Please do not use irresponsible words to critize others, this is just not nice.
yehjenyu 3 years ago
Today must be your lucky day. I grew up and live in Ilan and I also lived in 雲林 for half year in 06. Have you visited Formosa in Yun-Lin? Do you actually know anything about the types of environmental measures and implementation they have there? You're accusing me of being irresponsible and yet you couldn't back up any of your claims; you're accusing others of making false claims and yet you couldn't validate your own claims, if that is not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
siaoguai 3 years ago
If you're just gonna continue making claims without any valid backup, then you're just really making a fool out of yourself. I mean, really. Show us the beef.
siaoguai 3 years ago
@yehjenyu
ridiculous... look at 雲林 (the place Formosa Industry located), u will see the truth.
Anthonykero 1 year ago
lolololololol ...is this 李濤? classic stuff man! thanks!
Pikaangelus 3 years ago 3