Natural Capitalism: The Next Industrial Revolution

[kiaweking]

Many of the commentators on this video miss the speakers point. What is largely missing in today's view of capitalism are including the two components of natural resources and human resources. He then goes on to illustrate using examples of companies that are beginning to see the light and finding it to be profitable to consider the environment and human welfare. I like that he shows that the technology exists today to make automobiles 2-4 times as efficient than what we see on the market.

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[riverlioness]

People like whining about capitalism. However, I don't read any complaints about the computers and ipods that capitalism produces. 

[robheusd]

@riverlioness Sure you don't hear that here, the polution caused by mining the minerals needed for those equipment and slave like working conditions happen elsewhere.

[MrMsFanta]

@riverlioness Well, that's the good side of capitalism...there is also a bad side sweetie!

[bapyou]

Bunk!

[kviapunx]

I'd move to cuba in a heart beat, they've (cuban people)have begun a very anarchistic /mutualistic/anarchosocialisti­c form of participatory cooperative economics, its working great and they are ahead of the game on sustainability-they are doing some really cool stuff. AND it is not directed by government, they are doing it on there own.

[DK0526]

Then what is stopping you?

[DK0526]

problem with your failed theory is that all those workers are capitalists operating in a capitalist market...so if your beef is with the rich and your envy of them..maybe you should try to emulate them instead of spitting on success! Cancel the country? lmfao....go to cuba or N korea and enjoy the great system they have set up for your self!

[robheus123]

It is rather naive to think that the same system that caused this massive problems of ecology and poverty, also has the capacity to solve these same problems (that is, without majure restructuring the economy). The free market that solves all the problems is a dogma: in reality the capitalist structure is subsidized massively by the state, without it the capitalist structure would have already have been collapsed due to it's own internal periodic crisis.

[conspirator272727]

@robheus123 Your comment is supported by nothing whatsoever.

[robheus123]

@conspirator272727

The bailout of the banks proofs my point

[Sweden8990]

@robheus123 I would have listened to your argument, but your spelling errors have prevented me from doing so. Spell on

[robheus123]

The problem of capitalism though is that it goals to short term profits, and for changing the wastefullness of the economy and turn it into a durable economy long term planning is required.

More likely is that resource scarcity ends up in military conflicts then application of new technologies for solving the real problems.

Also capitalism does not solve the problems of poverty.

Only a socialist based economy can help solve those problems.

[riverlioness]

@robheus123

Sure, turn your life over to war mongers. The government that sends your son to bleed to death in a desert, is looking out for your social interests. You don't need a long, happy life. You need to trade your opportunities for measly government benefits to keep you alive, and bordering on poverty your entire life. Score.

[DK0526]

everyone is capitalist even those who think they are socialists...they work for profit...many see profit as money...others seek other types of profit...such as recognition, power, love, ect. capitalist who want to spread their own money or wealth are philanthrapists but when they want to take others wealth and spread it to others they are simply theives.

[bapyou]

What makes you think that a capitalist's money is actually theirs?

[DK0526]

That question misses the point..money is only a (receipt ) from goods produced or a service rendered..so it changes hands during the process of trading goods and services...temporary ownership..but when it is taken from someone without that someone freely exchanging it for another good or service..then it is theft. And it destroys the will to earn or produce more goods or services. Or sometimes the wrong goods and services like a glut of houses that no one wants are produced.

[bapyou]

No. My question IS the point.

Your ideology is based upon a fantasy. The majority of people have no choice with respect to "freely" exchanging anything. The majority live within limits strictly defined by their circumstances; there isn't anything "free" about it in the least. Does a factory worker in Guangdong have unlimited choices about where s/he works? Absolutely not. And if no one needs them, and they have no resources, your argument is worthless.

[DK0526]

iIam afraid you are simply too stupid to debate anything...you need to have at least some grounding in reality to begin with when discussing a topic...you seem to be very well insane..perhaps some medication would help to calm the voices!

[DK0526]

the factory worker in Guangdong has less choices then the factory worker in Chicago or New york but he has more then the worker in N korea or Cuba. The common denominator....the more capitalism the more freedom. If you dont agree then move to Cuba and embrace your wonderful system..try not to run over any Cubans in inner tubes trying to escape north from thier social paradise while your at it! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bapyou]

A factory worker in New York or Chicago. just as in Guangdong, is beholden to the whims of the market or the factory's owners.

Just ask the millions thrown out of work in the past year.

And, in fact, no one IS out of work in Cuba, nor are there any homeless.

And sorry, asswipe, I'm not going to live anywhere else but the U.S. I'm an American.

Maybe you should go to Cuba and see that the people there are not monsters who hate every day of their lives, unlike many Americans!

[DK0526]

no need to call names because I exposed the weakness of you ideology. I can proudly say Im staying here in the US because we have the best system. But the argument falls apart for you because you say it so much better under socialism yet you wouldnt want to live there..because your "american" and apperently neither would the troves of people leaving thier socialist corrupts turd holes world wide who risk thier lives to get here. I wonder why that is...riddle me that batman?? your dismissed!

[bapyou]

Well, sorry simpleton, expose the "weakness of (my) ideology" you did not do.

Furthermore, learn how to properly write English. Your grammar is horrible.

[DK0526]

I knew it...hahah it always seems the commie economic flunkys are english majors...stick to grammer and leave the economics alone...your strong point is not economics

[bapyou]

Hate to use good grammar?

Jesus H. Fucking Christ.

Milton Friedman is close to the antichrist in my book. But even he -- unlike you -- could communicate his ideas clearly using proper Egnlish.

Economics is your "storng suit"?

A little advice, wingnut:

Learn how to write before you expound your torturously bland economic "theories." No one can understand what the fuck it is that you're trying to say.

[nothingisgreener]

So true, that's why they always attack grammar and spelling mistakes instead of the actual content of an argument. LOL.

[bapyou]

What you conveniently leave out of your "argument" against socialism is that every socialist government that has existed throughout the 20th century has been either invaded, overthrown, or had life made impossible for it by the United States. Even Russia was invaded by the US, France & Britain in 1918. As a result, many socialist nations had to focus their resources on fighting this U.S. agression.

"I was a ... gangster for capitalism" - Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC

You're a weak tool.

[DK0526]

Let me guess you dont live in N Korea or Cuba do you...? If you did then I could respect your failed opinion only you envy those systems...well go there then you commie loving shit for brains...see how much they love you and how much you fit in..hahahahahha You are so fucking stupid you can even accept that fact...oh I suppose mythical invation led to the down fall and economic collapse of the former soviet turd pile that you so long for..go back to school and learn some thing you stupid turd

[bapyou]

Still a weak tool.

[bingosumma]

@DK0526 You cant compare N Korea with Cuba. North Korea's leader is dead. A dead man is leading the country.

[DK0526]

A dead man with the most extreem socialist policies...a totalitarian communist legacy that pushes its people into starvation even today in this technologically advanced world...........very sad and more proof that capitalism is the answer not some sick form of socialism

[DK0526]

If Cuba is so great then why do its citizens risk thier lives trying to get to Florida on rafts and inner tubes? Your examples are laughable...Keep watching Micheal Moore movies for your info. LMFAO a millionare capitalist movie maker who bashes capitalism and praises Cuba and its ruthless socialist dictator. What a sick joke only a fool would buy into that type of nonsense...the poor Cubas who are trying to escape Cuba must not know whats good for them...hahahahh!

[bingosumma]

@DK0526 When was the last time you heard of Cubans trying to come to America? It is true, the Cuban people and leadership are realizing their potetial. Everyone has tarnished pasts. Look at ours.

[kviapunx]

screw Michal Moore, and yeah, cuba does have some messed up laws, comparable to many of ours now, AND buttloads of people will always be coming to america cuz they hear propaganda that everybodies freakin rich.All I was saying was that the cuban citizens were doing some cool shit and castro was staying out of the way,if I could disregard my responsibilities here and had the money I'd go there. those poor cubans arent nearly as bad off as you think, things are changing

[bapyou]

Further, your example of a "glut of houses" begs a discussion of surplus commodities - a major theme of Marxian economics. The surplus of commodities is a function of the capitalistic enterprise; and one reason why it is such an unstable economic model.

[DK0526]

capitalistic enterprise that was managed into this mess via an idiodic gov...and the Credit reinvesment act...marx was a complete idiot and a failure in every way..dont follow him or you could end up the same.

[MagnitudePerson]

Socialism>Catastrophism Money Great/IIndustrialism/Satanism/­Totlaitarianism-in-progress

[CoryLazyMan]

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[chadisapunkrocker]

to think of all the poor spellers that have wasted their time misunderstanding the first 5 minutes of this video before turning the 'channel' to watch some Glen Beck...

[hfortenberry]

This is a more pure form of capitalism.

[adamndirtyshame]

if youre against capitalism, go move to china, tho theyre also kind of capitalist now. just dont be here in america. just make money someplace else buddy.

[thesonofmatuzalem]

I figuered out how to kill capitalism!

[nbm34]

Absolute BULLSHIT. Natural Capitalism has been promoted even in the early industrial ages.

This will not work because while money and greed exists. Those who own the means of production will not

PUT OFF SHORT TERM profits,and get in line for resources etc. The workers will still not recieve living wages.The SHORTAGE of money and mass debt, even in such an adulerated concept of CAPITALISM stuttering on, In illusions of enviromently freindly etc. The realitY is LABOUR AND MONEY are unbalanced.

[nbm34]

Also the age of peak oil, shortages of food and homes and jobs, still fixed to the false claims that hard work and labour will bring these benifits to you, UNDER ANY CAPITLALIST SYSTEM. The scientific age that MACHINES produce more than humans, and NOT NEED even cheap labour by some multi nationals etc.FEW PEOPLE OPERATE 90% of human resources which are presently in Capitalist hands. Even China who use money. ONLY BY A CHANGE to MACHINES ending LABOUR & MONEY. Details,,

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[dandan8787]

dude, capitolism is all around the world..

[adamndirtyshame]

hahaha i wish. once you leave america its not a pretty sight.

europe is socialist, latin america is communist, africa doesnt have any money, and asia is a mixed bag.

thankfully ppl like bono are trying to spread the message. i can only prey he succeeds/

[dudeeeeee16]

You can't be serious......The US is more socialistical than Europe(meaning it has a lot more state owned companies),also,your healthcare,which makes about 27% of ur GDP,is state owned.....do the math

[billyysands]

The Third Way is a term that has been used to describe a political position which attempts to transcend left-wing and right-wing politics by advocating a mix of some left-wing and right-wing policies.[1] Third Way approaches are commonly viewed as representing a centrist compromise between capitalism and socialism, or between market liberalism and democratic socialism. However, proponents of third way philosophies often claim that the third way represents a synthesis of these competing viewpoint

[TheElectricHeat]

This makes sense if you assume all of politics can be encompassed along one straight line. Instead imagine a grid with liberal at the left, conservative at the right, statist on the bottom, and libertarian on the top. As long as we have a two-party system, the pendulum swings from left to right and back, and just as predictably the blade dips lower towards statism. The Third Way does away with the pendulum and goes for the most direct way to cut to the bottom: a guillotine

[ulgrum]

I liked this, very encouraging.

[flowww88]

ohjee :s

[homerthompsonman]

We strangle people to get more productivity. This is done by tech. We do the same to ALL things, land trees etc. And we do this to get rich individually. When we put the surplus back into tech we strangle everything with more efficiency, and get richer faster.

Putting money back into strangled things is "right" (far-sighted) but wont happen, it cuts into the surplus (the stuff owners take and everyone else wants).

This lecture is pie in the sky.

[ArcAnge1M]

Without something to strive for, we stop trying.

[psbjr]

you're right we should probably just give up

[homerthompsonman]

That's the spirit. After all, if you can't join the stockpilers what is there to strive for?

[wtfitzgerald]

Given the massive environmental crisis and the land speculation bust that is at the heart of the current real estate/mortgage meltdown, is it not time to question the practice of buying, selling and speculating with land and natural resources the value of which is created 100% by the community as a whole, the private collection of which is a free lunch to land "owners" and the entire motivation for all environmental abuse? Lovins et al never question this obvious error in market economics. Why?

[LastReplaySC]

just by looking at his light bulb solution shows me that he's lobbying for a wide range of polluting industries to stay around for as long as possible using the failed monetary system.

He's telling the dinosaurs to be more efficient ... that's all. Motto If our Masters don't want a slave revolt, they better start there transition earlier than they had expected. It's only a smoke screen and time buyer to give 1 generation a bit of time before collapse

[CptCrash21]

I've read the book "Natural Capitalism." It's really great. Every time I watch the news, or even big name economists on shows like Charlie Rose, I'm left banging my head against the wall. The model laid out in the book could save our economy and our environment at the same time, without resorting to a bloated government.

[wndrwatsnxt]

CptCrash, I read the book as well. I'm a staunch Republican and I very well believe that this revolution will be somewhat the opposite of the first industrial revolution. I think whether the government must impose it or it naturally occurs in the market place, seen as a more profitable idea, it will happen eventually.

[CptCrash21]

Here's hoping. It's good to hear from Republicans that seem to have a good head on their shoulders. I used to be Repulican, but then both parties became too much about demonization and straw men. But I don't necessarily think the "free" market will solve everything, especially if it doesn't use environmental constraints as a means of guiding capital flow. But I believe in small gov't. So I've coined the term "Eco-Libertarian".

[billyysands]

i am a former socialist and i think socialism is dead but i think there is a role for governement

[gilgamesh011]

@CptCrash21

It ignores far to many relevant factors though

[dazenman11]

Interesting....hmmm.

[LastReplaySC]

it's more like fascist global slavery at the moment