A question, since the Scots is sort of hard to understand for me: is the song speaking for or against the Jacobite cause? "I met the devil and Dundee" and "Claver's got a clankie" doesn't sound too positive, though I can only assume what "clankie" means :D)
I have to express my disappointment at certain people here arrogantly braying on an on with thumbs-in-braces forcing their personal perception of history on everyone.
For people who wish to learn: Walter Scott was NOT the first person to invent the name 'Bonnie Dundee' and the Williamite-Jacobite wars were certainly not 'about' the Stewarts "foisting 'Scots Catholicism' on England"!
Those who wish to read historical FACT please read encyclopedias rather than read the nonsense posted here.
@felipescotland77 "Walter Scott was NOT the first person to invent the name 'Bonnie Dundee'" Can you actually point us to a contemporary source actually showing anyone calling Graham by that name or if not then something at least prior to Scott's use of it in in his song "Bonnie Dundee"? As I understand it the phrase was in use and it was the name of an existing tune - but that it referred to the city of Dundee. Graham wasn't even made Viscount Dundee until pretty near his end!
nicknamed Bonnie Dundee at a much later date (by Walter Scott) but known at the time as Bluidy Clavers. 'Bloody' because he was the chief henchman during the persecution and would have been a marked man once James fell anyway. Graham could find little support so went to the Highlands and drummed up an army there. They won the initial battle but Graham was killed. However it was Scot v Scot. The Jacobite army led by a Lowlander against the Scottish govt army ironically led by a Highlander
@sabbathslaves Killiecrankie was before the union and the battle had nothing to do with any future union. It was two Scottish armies fighting over who should be monarch in scotland.
there were many English Jacobites. It was in the 45 that they failed to recruit many in England bar the Manchester Regiment. But they wanted too. It was never meant to be a predominantly Scottish affair. The Scots only invaded England because Charles assured them the English would rise in support. All the risings were Scottish civil wars within Scotland though.
Presbyterian settlement in Scotland which deposed James VII and his descendents. It was an ongoing conflict from the 1640s period. Neither was it Gael versus non-Gael. There were plenty of Willaimite/Hanovarian Gaels and vice-versa Jacobite Scots speakers. In fact at Killiecrankie the Jacobites were actually led by a non-Gael (which was normal) and the Williamites by a Gael.
I have had the honour of being and living in Scotland for my entire life, i irst heard this song thanks to my grandmother as a young lad.... much later as part of the British army i have heard this song inspire, not only myself, but soldiers fom England, Canada, New Zealand and America... a folk song that transends borders and beliefs,,,, TRUE folk music for everyone!
@danonutube1 I found this in the urban online dictionary "Loofing is when a girl lies on her neck with her body in the air, legs spread, vagina accessible. Then, the guy will shit inside of her vagina." EEEWWWW!
@gattodelmare Aye! I am Lord Bernard McPherson, and I would also like to see a "translation" for our non-Scottish speaking neighbors. This is a well celebrated song, and we would better enjoy this music if it were shared in "translation."
I believe this is the official song of the Graham / Greame clan. I am an English born Graham and proud to be associated with this Scottish connection.
The difference is Coleyman, some of those Scots were fighting for Scotland, while the traitors of Scotland fought on behalf of their saxon neighbours.
I am English, play the pipes in a bagpipe band, and love this tune. Please don't use it to insult anyone. Although I am English, I wasn't there mate. Just enjoy it as a great piece of music.
A Red coat soldier survived the massacre of the Government troops and ran for his life pursued by bloodthirsty Claymore men. As the Highlanders closed in he reached a cliff and was trapped. To their astonishment he lept over 100 down into a small pool and escaped with his life. They gave up the pursuit in admiration at his bravery. That spot is still known as 'Soldiers leap.'
All the tudors were dead and thats how Stuarts came to power, not marriage but it's true that henry 7th daughter married james 4th. I've never heard anything about the Hanovarian involvement in the earlier jacobite rebellion, i think some people might be confused
General Hugh McKay was commander-in-chief of the Williamite (Government) forces they marched against the Jacobites. His forces largely from Scottish Lowlands & included professional Highland soldiers who fought against their relatives. Williamite means William III of Orange
The song is addressed to a young soldier by a veteran. who asks the young soldier why hes all kitted out and where he has been. The veteran and young soldier are both on the side of Mackay i.e. Covenanters.
The highland clearances were an outrage!..I know its 2009 and i have no problem with the english,,infact my sister in-laws, english but its still a diabolical act and was another attemp to wipe out the scottish race. Saor Alba!
The highland clearances were done by Scottish landowners to make way for sheep farming.
I speak as an Englishman who had a Scottish granny with a very confused and romantic notion of Scottish history from this period. She used to sing this song, that's what made me think of it.
I asked for some good scotish songs and was told O'flower of scotland and others but this is the 1 I'm really struggling to understand, enjoying it though.
Unfortunately, I don't see Jim Malcolm's version of Killiecrankie on YouTube anywhere. Anyone who's interested in listening to another great version, his recording "Acquaintance" is well worth a download from Itunes
Before I post post this, I am Scottish. Lived in glasgow until i was 22, now live in Edinburgh for the past 8 years.
I have to laugh at all the people that say they are proud to be scottish after listening to this song. I love the Corries, and i'm proud to be scottish, I have been to soldiers leap, which is where it all happened. For scottish people to use this as a song against the English is lunacy. It was Scots Vs Scots.
The hanover are as much scottish as stewarts, well hanover would have had more conections at the time with the tudors but you can't forget that the stewarts married into the tudors so thus it was bascily a big family brawl in the end... and we are the ones who suffered
But this was before the Hanovers, the Jacobite uprisings were all but squashed by the time of Queen Anne, And I don't think King George had to deal with any of it.
William of Orange was Dutch. I think the first Jacobite uprising was essentially a Scottish civil war over religious (as well other) grievances. I'm fairly certain there were no English fighting at Killiecrankie.
Yeah fair enough maybe you're right about the Hastings Regiment but the Earl of Leven was Scottish and his regiment were also known as the Edinburgh Regiment so I don't see why they would have been English. I still stand by my main point that this was more about Presbyterian Lowlanders vs Catholic and Episcopalian Highlanders than Scottish vs English.
You may be right. But for one reason or another his regiment is listed among the only "English" regiments that served at the battle.
I dont dispute your argument at all. Never did to my knowledge. But I do disagree with half your statement. There were Protestants on the side of the Jacobites as well as English and lowlanders. It its a flat civil war and nothing else. I confess myself a Jacobite but not Catholic or Episcopalian.
You're right, as with most history it's more complicated than some people like to think. One of my ancestors was actually an English Jacobite who was hung for trying to assassinate William of Orange. I also have Farquhar ancestry who I believe fought for the Jacobite clause at Culloden. In relation to the song I do remember my Scottish Granny used to sing a much quicker and catchier version of this.
History is always complicated; Scots history reminds me of nothing so much as a ball of wool after it's come to the attention of a few kittens! Add the clans, with their tangle of alliances and feuds and it gets more complicated still :P
Easy to say your Jacobite now, you wouldn't have dared say it after the 45, and in the long run thank God the Cheiftans had the sense to turn back at Derby, they were happy winning Scotland, wisely didn't want the English Crown, there would have been no Scottish Enlightenment or Diaspora, Charlie meant a step back to feudal rights.
Im unaware if you realize the context of your statements. The house of Stuart, was not planning to turn England and Ireland into the same Feudal system one found in the Highlands. Secondly if say the Hanoverians were planning to end such a system it seems to me by murdering men women and childeren so much as suspected of being Jacobites is a bit of a contradiction.
I think you also ignore the brave English Manchester regiment or all the Lowland Scots who were Jacobites. No Chieftains there.
It should also be noted that some how you have changed this discussion from being about the Jacobite rising of 1689 to the Jacobite rising of 1745. Rather a large difference there.
The 1715 either. Freind, read NYT bestseller, "HOW THE SCOTS INVENTED THE MODERN WORLD" "how western Europe's poorest country created our world and everything in it", by Arthur Herman. Everyone read it, he is a historian, spent 5 years on this book, an amazing 750 pages of fact, it skinned my eyes on my misconceptions, and he tells of the English Jacobites, in the long run, for the world's sake as well as Scotlands, the Cheiftans were right to turn back,
Or the rising of 1708 or 1719. I actually have the book in my collection already. Its interesting. The Jacobite risings were a civil war not a Scotland VS England as you well know, so the Jacobite army turning back at Derby was actually no action of the Chieftains. Many of them wanted to push to London. It was all Prince Charles doing as he believed the false rumor that there was an army of 7500 chasing him with another army of 5000 coming from London to meet him. Both were untrue.
I dont want to contratict you but the Prince did want to carry on to London. Lord George Murray and the chiefs were for returning to Scotand with the exception of Gordon of Park and the Duke of Perth who wanted to join up with the Welsh Jacobites. I would suggest you investigate a chap called Dudley Bradstrreet who
convinced the chiefs about the mythical forces oppoaing them, a Hanoverain spy.
Im sorry but from what I have read I dont believe you are correct. To my knowledge he bought the rumor hook line and sinker. Though, yes he did wish to press on to London his Generals talked him out of it. There was much folly in the Prince's strategy.
Can you provide primary documentation backing what you are saying? If so please provide it.
Affairs of Scotland 45-46 lord Elch p339, Prince Charlie Compton Mackenzie p72
The White cockade baron Pocelli " The Prince pleaded in vain" The noblest jacobite
p10 "the council broke & the distraught prince left the room" derby and the 45 excellent info p188-9 lord G Murray author of the retreat. Blakie origins of the 45
Your wrong. It was a government army the Scots were fighting meaning all them who fought against us were on the English side be it Scots,Hanovarian or anyone else who joined the rent-an-army! I dont class them as true Scots as they are traitors. They are Brits not Scots!
@Obergefreiter352 More confusing than you think. The deposed Stuarts were Catholic and in Ireland and England the risings tended to be Catholic but Scotland was different. The Scottish Reformation was pretty thorough. Outside some of the islanders and small pockets elsewhere there simply weren't many Catholics in Scotland. Yes Catholics came out but in all the risings the big majority in the Jacobite ranks were non-juring Episcopalians. That is Scottish Anglicans who refused to recognise the
@mohawkmohican Scots English!! who was that? It was Scots v Scots. If anything the royalists in the 17thC were siding with the English royalty in that from the civil war onwards the monarch wanted to force the English religion on to Scotland. Most Jacobites were Episcopalians (ie Anglicans) and attended what many people in Scotland still call "the English church".
@mohawkmohican What I meant was there was no English involvement at Killiecrankie. It was purely Scots versus Scots. I dare say there may have been the odd English or Irish individuals there but it was Scottish army v Scottish army. The Jacobites rebelled against the Scottish government after it branded James a traitor and threw him off the throne. In the later rebellions which were post-union there was obviously English involvement but again it wasn't purely on one side. In the 1715 rebellion
@felipescotland77 You are right. More than a few individual Irish. Still probably amounting to only about 5% or so of the total combatants though so not huge numbers. The point about English individuals stands though. The other poster claimed it was Scots v Scots and English. There was no signifcant English presence and despite the Irish the battle was still for the most part Scot versus Scot.
@gaconnochie , if we are talking about the two major uprisings of 1705 and 1745 then im pretty sure that both the old and young pretender were catholics who wanted to foist scots catholicism on the english. We are all scots like man but sometimes the english bashing is so engrained we cant see past the shine of a bold saltire emblazoned arse that scotland has been in the past to other countries, from time to time
@AlmightyMan01 You mean 1715 and 1745. Yes the Pretenders were Catholic and in England and Ireland Jacobitism was Catholic uprisings. But not so in Scotland. Yes many Catholics rose for them - but in all the risings the bulk of their support was Episcopalian. That is Scottish Anglicans opposed to the Presbyterian settllement for the Church of Scotland. But yes you are right in that the wars in Scotland and England (despite other factors intermingling) were over who sat on the throne(s)
@AlmightyMan01 Though in this song we are actually talking about the first Jacobite Uprising in Scotland which was pre-union. Once James VII fled his English power base the Scottish Estates met and (after receiving letters from both James and William of Orange putting their cases) the Scots branded James a traitor and threw him off the Scottish throne too. He had been persecuting Presbyterians in Scotland and the only significant person to stand by him was Graham of Claverhouse, romantically
If anyone wants to see killiecrankie its a natural trust site. and as well as amazing senery it has a visitor center about the battle and if you want to find out what the soldiers leap is youll have to see for yourself!
Hi...i'm sorry for my awful english. I live in the North of Italy, and last autumn i was in Scotland for my first time...Wonderful! I think I've seen one of the best contry in the world, in the best season to do it.
...and I think that scottish music (and history) are an example of Culture integration. From October I'm tryng to search Corrie's music and lyrics, but here is very difficult! So, thanks to all, for these songs an for your help in translation!
I was back in Scotland some years ago for my brother's wedding and we drove into the Highlands in the North of Scotland. My God,how my heart pounded as we drove through the pass of Killiecrankie on our way into the the Highlands, with the sun setting, and the magnificent Scottish Red Deer stags and hinds down by the river for a drink of water, and the tragic yet glorious history of the place, I knew i was home, in the land of my birth , Scotland , Alba Gu Brath
This could only have been written by a combat veteran, nor do I think another could fully understand it. That said, for all the spirit and honor of Auld Alba, by the time of this battle Scotland had already been lost in all but name with Bonnie Prince Charlie. All that was left here is bickering over false kings.
I was just looking up some of the Graham clan history (since my family is part of the Graham clan, came over just before WWI) and I guess this is the song of them. This is a good song.
Could someone please translate this. I would love to be able to understand what it all means. What is brankie or swankie? Those sort of words. Great presentation. I really enjoy this tune. I've read the history of the battle.
its old scots{auld scots}the english made us speak english by banning our native gailic,this is a mixture of both,brankie means smarmy,self assured,swankie means walking to walk away,ie there nae shame tae be swankie o
Bumchiner, Thanks, Could you please include the following words...Cantie, Sae, bauld pictur, furr, clankie, and gled. With those definitions I will have a clearer idea of what the song is really saying. I spent 24 years in the US Army and understand that this is a soldiers song. It's great!!! Thanks so much for your time.
Hi Denny9000 i can try and help with some of the words - Gled is a name given to a buzzard which is a bird if you didnt know , Sae means So , Bauld Picturr and Furr - Pitcur, who fell in a furr, was Haliburton of Pitcur , fighting on Dundee's side, who fell in a drainage ditch. Cantie-o - means light hearted , brankie-o means strong and hearty and clankie-o means a strong blow
love this song...theres another 1 which i liked, its called "i will go" but i cant find it anywhere, its like irish/scottish music, like this 1, if any1 knows who sang it, could ya reply 2 this? will be much appretiated.
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A question, since the Scots is sort of hard to understand for me: is the song speaking for or against the Jacobite cause? "I met the devil and Dundee" and "Claver's got a clankie" doesn't sound too positive, though I can only assume what "clankie" means :D)
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cruelintone 3 weeks ago
Ne Oublie! From a Graham in California
CinDeeLou15 1 month ago
Proud to be a Graham, Ne Oublie from Australia.
94Aequitas 1 month ago
English, but love this.
Cosser 1 month ago
Am Scottish and Thank god for the Lyrics lol
normal01guy 1 month ago
You can banish the Graham from Scotland, but you can't banish Scotland from the Graham.
We remember you, Bonnie Dundee! Ne Oublie!
TheTraumarama 3 months ago in playlist Music for Me 11
@TheTraumarama Ne Oublie my clansman!!!
BOBWIRE1995 2 months ago 8
And so! as in the Good book, the fighting continues.
weefateflla 3 months ago
And so it contnues!!!!!!!!
weefateflla 3 months ago
@Coleyman1874 but at least William of Orange side lost
3tangle3 5 months ago 3
gorgeous song
3tangle3 5 months ago
I have to express my disappointment at certain people here arrogantly braying on an on with thumbs-in-braces forcing their personal perception of history on everyone.
For people who wish to learn: Walter Scott was NOT the first person to invent the name 'Bonnie Dundee' and the Williamite-Jacobite wars were certainly not 'about' the Stewarts "foisting 'Scots Catholicism' on England"!
Those who wish to read historical FACT please read encyclopedias rather than read the nonsense posted here.
felipescotland77 7 months ago
@felipescotland77 "Walter Scott was NOT the first person to invent the name 'Bonnie Dundee'" Can you actually point us to a contemporary source actually showing anyone calling Graham by that name or if not then something at least prior to Scott's use of it in in his song "Bonnie Dundee"? As I understand it the phrase was in use and it was the name of an existing tune - but that it referred to the city of Dundee. Graham wasn't even made Viscount Dundee until pretty near his end!
gaconnochie 5 months ago
nicknamed Bonnie Dundee at a much later date (by Walter Scott) but known at the time as Bluidy Clavers. 'Bloody' because he was the chief henchman during the persecution and would have been a marked man once James fell anyway. Graham could find little support so went to the Highlands and drummed up an army there. They won the initial battle but Graham was killed. However it was Scot v Scot. The Jacobite army led by a Lowlander against the Scottish govt army ironically led by a Highlander
gaconnochie 7 months ago
wit a fud. its not Scots v Scots. its Scots V dirty stinking Brits. A parcel of rogues don’t you know
sabbathslaves 9 months ago
@sabbathslaves Killiecrankie was before the union and the battle had nothing to do with any future union. It was two Scottish armies fighting over who should be monarch in scotland.
gaconnochie 9 months ago
there were many English Jacobites. It was in the 45 that they failed to recruit many in England bar the Manchester Regiment. But they wanted too. It was never meant to be a predominantly Scottish affair. The Scots only invaded England because Charles assured them the English would rise in support. All the risings were Scottish civil wars within Scotland though.
gaconnochie 9 months ago
Presbyterian settlement in Scotland which deposed James VII and his descendents. It was an ongoing conflict from the 1640s period. Neither was it Gael versus non-Gael. There were plenty of Willaimite/Hanovarian Gaels and vice-versa Jacobite Scots speakers. In fact at Killiecrankie the Jacobites were actually led by a non-Gael (which was normal) and the Williamites by a Gael.
gaconnochie 9 months ago
I have had the honour of being and living in Scotland for my entire life, i irst heard this song thanks to my grandmother as a young lad.... much later as part of the British army i have heard this song inspire, not only myself, but soldiers fom England, Canada, New Zealand and America... a folk song that transends borders and beliefs,,,, TRUE folk music for everyone!
swp4445 11 months ago
Twa sassenach hisnae seen wha I hae seen.
QuietReckoning 11 months ago
Two sassenach hisnae seen wha I hae seen.
QuietReckoning 11 months ago
WTF is a loof lol
danonutube1 11 months ago
@danonutube1 I found this in the urban online dictionary "Loofing is when a girl lies on her neck with her body in the air, legs spread, vagina accessible. Then, the guy will shit inside of her vagina." EEEWWWW!
zePippin 11 months ago
@zePippin Re: Killikrankie lyrics.
Mate, a "loof" is the palm of a hand.
To kiss the palm of a hand was seen as an act of great submission, just like a dog licking its master on his return.
UrukEngineer 10 months ago
@UrukEngineer I know
zePippin 10 months ago
@danonutube1 LOL, no a "loof" is the palm of a hand.
To kiss the palm of a hand was seen as an act of great submission, just like a dog licking its master on his return.
UrukEngineer 10 months ago
you have a problem with scottish words just ask me lad i'll help lol
davidwilliamc89 1 year ago
@davidwilliamc89 can u tell me what cantie,o
means ?
MrSlappyMode 1 year ago
@MrSlappyMode Re Killiekrankie lyrics. "Cantie" means jolly, swaggering, self-assured. :)
UrukEngineer 10 months ago
Love this song, but could someone post a translation? Brankie? Cantie? Brae?
gattodelmare 1 year ago
@gattodelmare Aye! I am Lord Bernard McPherson, and I would also like to see a "translation" for our non-Scottish speaking neighbors. This is a well celebrated song, and we would better enjoy this music if it were shared in "translation."
BernieM19051 1 year ago
Life's good when there's people making music like this
Obelisk1990 1 year ago
I believe this is the official song of the Graham / Greame clan. I am an English born Graham and proud to be associated with this Scottish connection.
Graofengland 1 year ago
FANTASTIC!
fester73666 1 year ago
The difference is Coleyman, some of those Scots were fighting for Scotland, while the traitors of Scotland fought on behalf of their saxon neighbours.
Scotland Out Of Britain...!
celticblack100 1 year ago
Ye'd better kiss'd King Willie's lofe
Than come tae Killiecrankie-o
activator1688 1 year ago
I am English, play the pipes in a bagpipe band, and love this tune. Please don't use it to insult anyone. Although I am English, I wasn't there mate. Just enjoy it as a great piece of music.
UrukEngineer 1 year ago
i bought the cd called the king has landed and this is track 4 an its awsome
mrvegas2005 1 year ago
Yeeeop
flemingdfc 1 year ago
Thanks for the lyrics. Now I can sing along whenever Rowdy Roddy Piper comes to ringside.
Suriel1981 1 year ago
thanks for the lyrics!
motte1168 1 year ago
i love it!
lollolovegirl2 1 year ago
@lollolovegirl2 love it? think not sure if it was my response you were refering to?
but I can respond to challenges, in fact thrive on it!!
1marystuart 1 year ago
@1marystuart was willst du von mir? ich versteh deine sprache nicht so gut, tut mir leid
lollolovegirl2 1 year ago
THE BAULD PICTUR FELL WEY AFAR
dangledoop 1 year ago
Give ya 2-1 that Rabbie said "hae" every time, never "had".
locheelad2 2 years ago
Donald McBean who jumped over the River is my ancestor on my mothers side of the family
CamzoOBrien 2 years ago
stop scattering this political rubbish on this video. it isn't here for you to do that kind of thing.
pierrebourdieu 2 years ago
i love this song!!!!!!
11AJH11 2 years ago
God Bless you, Dundee, Nane sae Brave on the day Sir!
jacobiker 2 years ago
inspiring..
Howster007 2 years ago
A Red coat soldier survived the massacre of the Government troops and ran for his life pursued by bloodthirsty Claymore men. As the Highlanders closed in he reached a cliff and was trapped. To their astonishment he lept over 100 down into a small pool and escaped with his life. They gave up the pursuit in admiration at his bravery. That spot is still known as 'Soldiers leap.'
tirnaog09 2 years ago
I have heard of "Soldiers Leap", Now I know the meaning
Thanks Mate
ac130ugunship 2 years ago
lyrics at 1:27 are bullshit.
bigscotsman 2 years ago
Aye, my Weegie friend ;
The bauld pitcur fell in a furr
And Clavers gat a crankie-o
Or I had fed an Athol gled
On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o
What seems to be the problem ?
IC2720 2 years ago
The bauld pictur fell wey afar?
dangledoop 2 years ago
william of orange the racist bastard that he was , was taught how real men fight at killiecrankie tho it took dundee his life to show him
witchhunter32 2 years ago 3
All the tudors were dead and thats how Stuarts came to power, not marriage but it's true that henry 7th daughter married james 4th. I've never heard anything about the Hanovarian involvement in the earlier jacobite rebellion, i think some people might be confused
seanyw89hotmailcom 2 years ago
General Hugh McKay was commander-in-chief of the Williamite (Government) forces they marched against the Jacobites. His forces largely from Scottish Lowlands & included professional Highland soldiers who fought against their relatives. Williamite means William III of Orange
The song is addressed to a young soldier by a veteran. who asks the young soldier why hes all kitted out and where he has been. The veteran and young soldier are both on the side of Mackay i.e. Covenanters.
activator1688 2 years ago 2
The highland clearances were an outrage!..I know its 2009 and i have no problem with the english,,infact my sister in-laws, english but its still a diabolical act and was another attemp to wipe out the scottish race. Saor Alba!
paul6j7o 2 years ago
It still remains in our hearts we shall be the ones who retrive what we were deprived off
Mr424all 2 years ago 2
The highland clearances were done by Scottish landowners to make way for sheep farming.
I speak as an Englishman who had a Scottish granny with a very confused and romantic notion of Scottish history from this period. She used to sing this song, that's what made me think of it.
duncan280777 2 years ago 3
Not all landowners at the time were Scottish, Plenty of english involved too.
diamondbhoy 2 years ago 2
best song ever. *wipes tear from eye*
mouldfamily 2 years ago 9
notorious ....type big country and the killiecrankie lol
Yaldarra 2 years ago
I asked for some good scotish songs and was told O'flower of scotland and others but this is the 1 I'm really struggling to understand, enjoying it though.
I'll ask Billy Connolly for help. :D
must be great being scottish
notoriousss247 2 years ago 3
Unfortunately, I don't see Jim Malcolm's version of Killiecrankie on YouTube anywhere. Anyone who's interested in listening to another great version, his recording "Acquaintance" is well worth a download from Itunes
romoly22 3 years ago
I'm Scottish but I got the acent o' someone English.
GO SCOTLAND!!!
( I support Man U ) :P
SamiRockStar 3 years ago 5
Because as has always been the case... we could never stand together. We need to sort it ..... Now.
Great song.
Coleyman1874 3 years ago
Before I post post this, I am Scottish. Lived in glasgow until i was 22, now live in Edinburgh for the past 8 years.
I have to laugh at all the people that say they are proud to be scottish after listening to this song. I love the Corries, and i'm proud to be scottish, I have been to soldiers leap, which is where it all happened. For scottish people to use this as a song against the English is lunacy. It was Scots Vs Scots.
Coleyman1874 3 years ago 31
But some of the Scot's fought for a King of Scottish ancestry, and some fought for an English king. What does that say, do yo figure?
falconlord5 2 years ago
rofl!!!
sorry man but hate to be the bearer of bad news,
The hanover are as much scottish as stewarts, well hanover would have had more conections at the time with the tudors but you can't forget that the stewarts married into the tudors so thus it was bascily a big family brawl in the end... and we are the ones who suffered
spr65 2 years ago
But this was before the Hanovers, the Jacobite uprisings were all but squashed by the time of Queen Anne, And I don't think King George had to deal with any of it.
falconlord5 2 years ago
William of Orange was Dutch. I think the first Jacobite uprising was essentially a Scottish civil war over religious (as well other) grievances. I'm fairly certain there were no English fighting at Killiecrankie.
duncan280777 2 years ago
Wether english where there or not is irrevelvant the enemy were either fighting for english or along english lines
Mt ancestors fought with Dundee and followed their Cheif to the field and kicked arse
Clan Cameron
ac130ugunship 2 years ago
There were several of King Williams regiments of foot at Killiecrankie. Including Hastings 13th regiment of foot and Levens 25th Regiment of foot.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Yeah fair enough maybe you're right about the Hastings Regiment but the Earl of Leven was Scottish and his regiment were also known as the Edinburgh Regiment so I don't see why they would have been English. I still stand by my main point that this was more about Presbyterian Lowlanders vs Catholic and Episcopalian Highlanders than Scottish vs English.
duncan280777 2 years ago
You may be right. But for one reason or another his regiment is listed among the only "English" regiments that served at the battle.
I dont dispute your argument at all. Never did to my knowledge. But I do disagree with half your statement. There were Protestants on the side of the Jacobites as well as English and lowlanders. It its a flat civil war and nothing else. I confess myself a Jacobite but not Catholic or Episcopalian.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
You're right, as with most history it's more complicated than some people like to think. One of my ancestors was actually an English Jacobite who was hung for trying to assassinate William of Orange. I also have Farquhar ancestry who I believe fought for the Jacobite clause at Culloden. In relation to the song I do remember my Scottish Granny used to sing a much quicker and catchier version of this.
duncan280777 2 years ago
@duncan280777
History is always complicated; Scots history reminds me of nothing so much as a ball of wool after it's come to the attention of a few kittens! Add the clans, with their tangle of alliances and feuds and it gets more complicated still :P
BoireannachGael 2 years ago
Easy to say your Jacobite now, you wouldn't have dared say it after the 45, and in the long run thank God the Cheiftans had the sense to turn back at Derby, they were happy winning Scotland, wisely didn't want the English Crown, there would have been no Scottish Enlightenment or Diaspora, Charlie meant a step back to feudal rights.
locheelad2 2 years ago
Im unaware if you realize the context of your statements. The house of Stuart, was not planning to turn England and Ireland into the same Feudal system one found in the Highlands. Secondly if say the Hanoverians were planning to end such a system it seems to me by murdering men women and childeren so much as suspected of being Jacobites is a bit of a contradiction.
I think you also ignore the brave English Manchester regiment or all the Lowland Scots who were Jacobites. No Chieftains there.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
It should also be noted that some how you have changed this discussion from being about the Jacobite rising of 1689 to the Jacobite rising of 1745. Rather a large difference there.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
The 1715 either. Freind, read NYT bestseller, "HOW THE SCOTS INVENTED THE MODERN WORLD" "how western Europe's poorest country created our world and everything in it", by Arthur Herman. Everyone read it, he is a historian, spent 5 years on this book, an amazing 750 pages of fact, it skinned my eyes on my misconceptions, and he tells of the English Jacobites, in the long run, for the world's sake as well as Scotlands, the Cheiftans were right to turn back,
locheelad2 2 years ago
Or the rising of 1708 or 1719. I actually have the book in my collection already. Its interesting. The Jacobite risings were a civil war not a Scotland VS England as you well know, so the Jacobite army turning back at Derby was actually no action of the Chieftains. Many of them wanted to push to London. It was all Prince Charles doing as he believed the false rumor that there was an army of 7500 chasing him with another army of 5000 coming from London to meet him. Both were untrue.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
@scottishconfederate
I dont want to contratict you but the Prince did want to carry on to London. Lord George Murray and the chiefs were for returning to Scotand with the exception of Gordon of Park and the Duke of Perth who wanted to join up with the Welsh Jacobites. I would suggest you investigate a chap called Dudley Bradstrreet who
convinced the chiefs about the mythical forces oppoaing them, a Hanoverain spy.
1marystuart 1 year ago
@1marystuart
Im sorry but from what I have read I dont believe you are correct. To my knowledge he bought the rumor hook line and sinker. Though, yes he did wish to press on to London his Generals talked him out of it. There was much folly in the Prince's strategy.
Can you provide primary documentation backing what you are saying? If so please provide it.
scottishconfederate 1 year ago
@scottishconfederate
Affairs of Scotland 45-46 lord Elch p339, Prince Charlie Compton Mackenzie p72
The White cockade baron Pocelli " The Prince pleaded in vain" The noblest jacobite
p10 "the council broke & the distraught prince left the room" derby and the 45 excellent info p188-9 lord G Murray author of the retreat. Blakie origins of the 45
finally Duffy the 45 p300
1marystuart 1 year ago
@1marystuart
How many of these are primary documentation? Do these books site their sources?
scottishconfederate 1 year ago
Mate tell me about it and isnt it generaly the young who post ideocracy.
This was the Jacobite rising still a passionate song for any scot
South Africa 2010
We'll Be Coming ;)
JapaneseSt33L 2 years ago
@Coleyman1874
Your wrong. It was a government army the Scots were fighting meaning all them who fought against us were on the English side be it Scots,Hanovarian or anyone else who joined the rent-an-army! I dont class them as true Scots as they are traitors. They are Brits not Scots!
valelacoste 1 year ago
@valelacoste aye right mate, couldnt have said it better myself!
gaelscot 1 year ago
@Coleyman1874 how much do you know it was covenanters fighting for the freedom to worship as christians
tam19681 1 year ago
@Coleyman1874 you forget the lowlanders were called 'english' by the hughlanders.......if you spoke english in the past you were deemed english
3tangle3 1 year ago
@Coleyman1874 Scots fighting for the English dressed in Red Coats. You can hardly call them Scots.
tearlach45 1 year ago
@tearlach45 No, they were Presbyterians SCOTS fighting Roman Catholic GAELS. Scotland has always been ethnically confusing.
Obergefreiter352 11 months ago
@Obergefreiter352 They were mostly episcopals, actually.
QuietReckoning 11 months ago
@Obergefreiter352 More confusing than you think. The deposed Stuarts were Catholic and in Ireland and England the risings tended to be Catholic but Scotland was different. The Scottish Reformation was pretty thorough. Outside some of the islanders and small pockets elsewhere there simply weren't many Catholics in Scotland. Yes Catholics came out but in all the risings the big majority in the Jacobite ranks were non-juring Episcopalians. That is Scottish Anglicans who refused to recognise the
gaconnochie 9 months ago
@tearlach45
aye
my ancestors did not wear redcoats, "Cameron"
ac130ugunship 9 months ago
@Coleyman1874 yep royalits vs goverment
scots vs scots english etc
mohawkmohican 9 months ago in playlist Jacobite Songs
@mohawkmohican Scots English!! who was that? It was Scots v Scots. If anything the royalists in the 17thC were siding with the English royalty in that from the civil war onwards the monarch wanted to force the English religion on to Scotland. Most Jacobites were Episcopalians (ie Anglicans) and attended what many people in Scotland still call "the English church".
gaconnochie 9 months ago
@gaconnochie i meant scots vs scots and english sorry mate wee bit of a typo there ;)
yep ive studyied this whole time period and really enjoyed studying it
mohawkmohican 9 months ago
@mohawkmohican What I meant was there was no English involvement at Killiecrankie. It was purely Scots versus Scots. I dare say there may have been the odd English or Irish individuals there but it was Scottish army v Scottish army. The Jacobites rebelled against the Scottish government after it branded James a traitor and threw him off the throne. In the later rebellions which were post-union there was obviously English involvement but again it wasn't purely on one side. In the 1715 rebellion
gaconnochie 9 months ago
The 'odd irish individual'? I'd hardly call Colonel Cannon — and his 300 Irish Jacobite soldiers — 'individuals'
felipescotland77 7 months ago
@felipescotland77 You are right. More than a few individual Irish. Still probably amounting to only about 5% or so of the total combatants though so not huge numbers. The point about English individuals stands though. The other poster claimed it was Scots v Scots and English. There was no signifcant English presence and despite the Irish the battle was still for the most part Scot versus Scot.
gaconnochie 7 months ago
@gaconnochie , if we are talking about the two major uprisings of 1705 and 1745 then im pretty sure that both the old and young pretender were catholics who wanted to foist scots catholicism on the english. We are all scots like man but sometimes the english bashing is so engrained we cant see past the shine of a bold saltire emblazoned arse that scotland has been in the past to other countries, from time to time
AlmightyMan01 7 months ago
@AlmightyMan01 You mean 1715 and 1745. Yes the Pretenders were Catholic and in England and Ireland Jacobitism was Catholic uprisings. But not so in Scotland. Yes many Catholics rose for them - but in all the risings the bulk of their support was Episcopalian. That is Scottish Anglicans opposed to the Presbyterian settllement for the Church of Scotland. But yes you are right in that the wars in Scotland and England (despite other factors intermingling) were over who sat on the throne(s)
gaconnochie 7 months ago
@AlmightyMan01 Though in this song we are actually talking about the first Jacobite Uprising in Scotland which was pre-union. Once James VII fled his English power base the Scottish Estates met and (after receiving letters from both James and William of Orange putting their cases) the Scots branded James a traitor and threw him off the Scottish throne too. He had been persecuting Presbyterians in Scotland and the only significant person to stand by him was Graham of Claverhouse, romantically
gaconnochie 7 months ago
made a few mistakes but pretty good
paul0837 3 years ago
If anyone wants to see killiecrankie its a natural trust site. and as well as amazing senery it has a visitor center about the battle and if you want to find out what the soldiers leap is youll have to see for yourself!
Theshoerules 3 years ago
by robbert burns! cool song!
Theshoerules 3 years ago
Hi...i'm sorry for my awful english. I live in the North of Italy, and last autumn i was in Scotland for my first time...Wonderful! I think I've seen one of the best contry in the world, in the best season to do it.
...and I think that scottish music (and history) are an example of Culture integration. From October I'm tryng to search Corrie's music and lyrics, but here is very difficult! So, thanks to all, for these songs an for your help in translation!
Bye.
Goshawk75 3 years ago 4
try downloading some Corries albums from torrent sites! I have like 7 of them all from torrents! And I also bought one from Amazon. :)
kolosdamk 2 years ago
I was back in Scotland some years ago for my brother's wedding and we drove into the Highlands in the North of Scotland. My God,how my heart pounded as we drove through the pass of Killiecrankie on our way into the the Highlands, with the sun setting, and the magnificent Scottish Red Deer stags and hinds down by the river for a drink of water, and the tragic yet glorious history of the place, I knew i was home, in the land of my birth , Scotland , Alba Gu Brath
Macangusagain 3 years ago 4
where could i like download this??
SpumSon 3 years ago
This could only have been written by a combat veteran, nor do I think another could fully understand it. That said, for all the spirit and honor of Auld Alba, by the time of this battle Scotland had already been lost in all but name with Bonnie Prince Charlie. All that was left here is bickering over false kings.
galendulac 3 years ago
The Battle of Killiecrankie was in 1688, and Bonnie Prince Charles attempt to revolt was in 1745. That is 57 years after Killiecrankie.
Hefferman1 3 years ago
go campbell clan oh yeh
pyr0tecnick 3 years ago
I was just looking up some of the Graham clan history (since my family is part of the Graham clan, came over just before WWI) and I guess this is the song of them. This is a good song.
Kage6415 3 years ago
it's written as it seems pronounced I think
1mackayder 3 years ago
Could someone please translate this. I would love to be able to understand what it all means. What is brankie or swankie? Those sort of words. Great presentation. I really enjoy this tune. I've read the history of the battle.
denny9900 3 years ago
its old scots{auld scots}the english made us speak english by banning our native gailic,this is a mixture of both,brankie means smarmy,self assured,swankie means walking to walk away,ie there nae shame tae be swankie o
bumchiner 3 years ago
Bumchiner, Thanks, Could you please include the following words...Cantie, Sae, bauld pictur, furr, clankie, and gled. With those definitions I will have a clearer idea of what the song is really saying. I spent 24 years in the US Army and understand that this is a soldiers song. It's great!!! Thanks so much for your time.
denny9900 3 years ago
Hi Denny9000 i can try and help with some of the words - Gled is a name given to a buzzard which is a bird if you didnt know , Sae means So , Bauld Picturr and Furr - Pitcur, who fell in a furr, was Haliburton of Pitcur , fighting on Dundee's side, who fell in a drainage ditch. Cantie-o - means light hearted , brankie-o means strong and hearty and clankie-o means a strong blow
mcwrules4life 3 years ago
@denny9900 US?
fuck......just listen and enjoy, my colonial cousin...............
gadgie3 1 year ago
andy chung does the best version of this
iamcairnsy 3 years ago
its old scots,some english some scots words,very much the way we speak today!scotland forever
bumchiner 3 years ago
is this a old language ore gailic ore something,sure has a nice tone, greetings from holland
chevalier783 3 years ago 3
Its english, but its written they way its said
LowlanderEightyThree 3 years ago
love this song...theres another 1 which i liked, its called "i will go" but i cant find it anywhere, its like irish/scottish music, like this 1, if any1 knows who sang it, could ya reply 2 this? will be much appretiated.
ohno1113 3 years ago
There is a guy called bardofcornwall on youtube who does that song your talking about check out his channel and you will find his version there.
thistlewarrior 3 years ago
aye. very good interpretation by the bard. makes me always cry. SCOTLAND FOREVER!
Favnir666 3 years ago 2
Good one mate ive listened to the song for years and just realised ive been singing a few words wrong thanks buddy,keep up the good work mate.
cycloneaxe 3 years ago
Any other stuff by the corrie folk trio and paddie bell,I especially love the sea shanty stuff... Thank you kind sir!!
Arran1994 4 years ago
very nice 5 starts frae me!
spr65 4 years ago
Ill be adding more songs and lyrics
u can ask and ill see wat i can do
mcwrules4life 4 years ago 4