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  • TERSERAH Lo mau BACOOOTTTT apa GW tetep ISLAM......>>>>>BACA<<<

  • gbu...

  • sampe versi 4 ini ngocehnya ngalor ngidul aje

  • ini semua pandangan melalui saintifik..hmm..kalau kaji dalam2 sangat,nanti jadi gila sebab tidak akan jumpa asal kejadian..contoh yang mudah,laut...dari mana air yang banyak tu datang?? dari awan?? bagaimana pula sistem suria boleh tersusun elok?? siapa yang selarikannya??tidak mungkin bulan dan matahari boleh terapung sendiri dan bumi pandai berputar mngikut paksi..jadi tak usah mengkaji,sebab tidak akan jumpa asal kejadian..itu semua kuasa Allah,Kun Fayakun (Jadi maka jadilah ia)..

  • ya Allah...apa yg org kafir ni cakap??? x paham la......

  • dri mula smpai habis dia neh ckap bnda yg x dk makna, psing2,

  • kuliah broo...ni dosen palingo...kon debat kok malah ngene...gendeng ki pendeta...!!!

  • pusiiiiiiiiiiiiing dengar org ini bicara..

  • ngk jelas.......:))

  • Dan pada saat mereka dikumpulkan di padang kiamat mereka (Nasrani dan yahudi )ditanyai siapa tuhannya maka mereka menjawab dengan sebutan selain Allah lalu malaikat pesuruh Allah menyamar menjadi Tuhan mereka dan mengajak mereka masuk kedalam neraka Jahannam sedang mereka kekal di dalamnya

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  • gw bingung nih orang ngomong apa'an yah..sepertinya gak siap dan kerjanya baca text mulu....emang repot kalo org yg kerjaanya mutar balik fakta....

  • pendeta gila, ngaco bicaranya

  • james paul juan

  • kau mmg musuh islam yang kekal wahai yahudi dan nasrani. sentiasa memutar belitkan yang benar. Allah sentiasa bersama kami. Insya'allah..

  • ni ape ni penbahasan ke..macan baca surat khabar adala...ashik2 tengok kertas je.....nanpak sangat tak stdy ape yg dibahas.. ape la.. dok

    ter ke macanni..

  • banyak omong.........

    smua th membingungkan, ngomong apaan tuh.....

  • Buat Org Kristen

    Coba beri contoh TUHAN yg BENAR itu yg kayak apa???? he...he...he...

    Lo itu cuman BISA ngomong tok!!!! Tapi gak tau apa2 tentang TUHAN!!!!

    BIBLE aja Kamu Tidak Baca.. Kenapa Pusing ya, ?kebanyakan Versi, Dan Bahasanya sulit di PahamiSebab itu Kamu tidak bisa memBedakan Mana Tuhan, dan Mana Manusia.... hehehhh

  • Assalamualaikum..mgikut Al-Quran,isa tidak disalib,dia di angkat ke langit untk dimberi ptlongn pda umat akhir zman,pada saat Imam Mahadi tidak dpat mengalhkan dajjal.. yg saya tak faham,knp kristian perlu ada 3 tuhan?cntohnya kalau kita ada 3 pmimpin,tidakkah kita akan kucar kacir?sprti yang chemchiko kata,apa yg saya nk nyatakan, mgkin injil tu mngatakan tntang Nabi Muhammad S.A.W. , injil tu palsu smata2.. sifat mnusia suka mngubah ubah ssuatu bnda spya ia nmpk hebat,dan lgkap..Wallahu alam..

  • ni orang ngomongin apa sih??

  • There are no differences in any religions teaching but just being good. The argument is here which God to believe & the real truth.... but definitely Quran can never be amended by any mankind as it is Allah's words & be protected.

  • Did U want me to translate this to U?,I thought U knew it....or U just want to testify me?All is written in Al Quran nur qarim - Life beyond future are all created and stated by Allah s.w.t. And as a Muslim who study Al Quran we should knew it since birth. While prophet Muhammad is Allah messanger to lead non Muslim in to a right path in term of to beleive who is the right creator than about life, medical science and so on as Islam are the only true religion which are so comlete religion.

  • Duet 7:7 says that God chose the Jews because they were the smallest of nations. God chose the weakest of nations to show his greatness! I find it very difficult to believe what is written in the Koran because Muhammad could not tell the difference between the voice of God and the voice of Satan! This is a very big issue because the Bible say that if a messenger brings a message that is not from God, then he is a false prophet.

  • Yes. That's is absolutely right. To we human to understand the truth is a prove & fact. And yes, there is in Quran stated that many of Allmighty Messenger is jewish. Cause jewish people is soo ignorant & doing bad things. And Quran as a Last Testiment, comfirm some of the story in Bible. We as muslims believe in Injil to, but the Injil now knowing as Bible is corroupted.

  • I have answer you in my longgest message ever.

  • Adakah Bible mengatakan org2 Yahudi lebih hebat dari mana2 bangsa lain? Sebenarnya tidak, ia mengatakan orang2 Yahudi adalah yang paling kecil di dunia. Tuhan memilih mereka untuk menunjukkan kasih nya. Tuhan memilih satu bangsa yang kecil dan lemah untuk menunjukkan kuasa dan kebesaran nya. Asal usul ugama Yahudi, Kristen dan Islam adalah sama dan bermula dengan org2 Yahudi? Kenapa harus kita marah dgn fakta ini.

  • Duetronomy 7:7 (Ulangan 7:7)

  • to chemiko seandainya ada ayat di alquran yang sedikit saja menyinggung atau mengatakan bahwa orang arab lebih hebat dari kaum manapun di dunia ini.satu hal yang akan saya lakukan saya akan membuang alqur an dan mencari agama baru.tapi alhamdulillah itu tdk ada di alquran,bagaimana dengan injil tuhan yesus sendiri mengakui dia diutus tuk yahudi apakh anda yahudi?bila tidak carilah agama lain karna tuhanmu pilih kasih terhadap umatnya.

  • Yes, you are right about Jesus addressing the Jews. In the Bible the Jews were God's chosen people, and all the prophets up to that time were Jews. And the chosen Jews (Jesus disciples) brought it to the rest of the world. (Acts 13:47) About Vista, people did not adopt it because there were too many problems with it. About how many cores, I can't see the correlation. The main question is: Is Jesus God? Can you believe in the Trinity? 3 but 1. Even the Old Testament word used for God is plural.

  • 1- Is Jesus God? -Absolutely not.

    2- 1=3, 3=1? That must be something wrong isn't it?

    3- About old testiment, God is plural u said. There is a unique language about hebrew & arab. God plural have 2 meaning here in both languages. Respect & numbers.

  • I respect you opinion that you think Jesus is not God. I hope you would continue to explore why Christians think so.

    1x1x1=1 and 1U1U1 is still one. *U = union. Also I suppose you've have heard about 3 in 1. 3 separate items combining to become 1 final product. It's good to know what other's believe and why they believe that. It might seem not logical to us but logical to others. I hope we can keep on the discussion and agree to disagree.

  • Lets say:

    ⅓ - Jesus

    ⅓ - Holy Ghost

    ⅓ - God.

    Then, ⅓+⅓+⅓=1 right? But, when Jesus became man in earth, then ⅔ of God supposed to rule the universe. ⅓(Jesus) to rule earth. How about other planet? There is not perfect equation. There will be imbalance if we thought it tru right? Im still exploring y christians think that way. But still, in many ways such mathematical reason, i can't see the prove. Maybe u can show some light?

  • I was only showing you some of the possibilities of understanding the Trinity. 1x1x1 tells you that each and every person of the 'Godhead' is fully God. Each is capable of ruling on his own. 1U1U1 shows that they are fully united and share the same plan and vision, but each performing different roles. Jesus role was the salvation of mankind among others things. I don't expect you to fully understand Christianity in a short while, also for me to understand Islam in a short while. Let's keep discu

  • I respect u for believing in the concept of Trinity. Let discuss it further and maybe me & u can understand Islam & Christianity better.

    Peace.

  • Jesus said that he is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End. Would you use new technology if it is faulty or not as good as your previous technology. For example why many use Windows Xp instead of Windows Vista. Also if you talk of later revelations why have you not become a Bahai? They also believe in the Prophets, Jesus and Muhamad. If you read the life of Jesus (from the Bible) you will be amazed at his life. In Jn 8:58 Jesus said before Abraham was born, I am. How can this be?..

  • ..........unless He is God. Many things that Jesus said and did proves that he is God. Also the Bible says many thing about the divinity of Jesus. For example Hebrews Chapter 1. I like discussing with you since you use facts and reasons. My first language is English. I also can use Malay but not too good.

  • About Bahai, the new religion. God send His messenger with a prove. Like Moses who can cut the sea, like solomon govern human, jin & animal. Like Mohammad that can cut Moon. True miracle that cant be done by sihir/magic. So, what Baháulláh can do that prove he is God mesenger? Im malay and my english not soo good, pardon me if i mess up my language.

  • U didnt read the John 8:58 properly my friend. U must read the whole story ie 8:50 to 8:60. By then, u'll understand y Jesus said that. And u know why Jesus is sending by God to Jews. So, u interpet this text tru jews view. And obviously, u r nor jew.

    About windows thing, that because we dont have much software to work with vista. Thats y peoples chose to use XP rather than vista. Do u rather use single core instead dual core? Or quad core maybe?

  • to chemiko kalau seumpamanya tuhan tuh ada di surga maka pertanyaanya ngapain dia disitu,dan kalaupun dia dineraka apakah neraka itu menyiksanya,tuhan tuh gak butuh surga dan ga takut ma neraka karna dia yang menciptakan,dari penjelasan anda tadi saya melihat bahwa yesuslah yang butuh dengan manusia sampai dia rela disalib,so kalau seluruh dunia berdosa apakah yesus tadi turun tahta dari tuhan.kalau memang dia tuhan dan seluruh mausia berdosa dan dia tdk ingin menyiksanya cukup ampuni saja

  • Bila manusia pertama menderhaka terhadap Tuhan, dengan memilih sesuatu yang di larang oleh Tuhan, maka manusia di singkir dari tempat asalnya dan manusia putus hubungan dengan Tuhan.Yesus datang untuk membuka jalan untuk menghubungkan manusia dengan Tuhan. Dan Yesus perlu mati untuk mencukupi syarat Tuhan. Sekarang jalan itu sudah buka, yang memilih untuk masuk ke jalan itu di selamatkan. Itu faktanya yang di ambil dari Bible, saya hanya memberitaunya.

  • Sbb itu kami muslim percaya Jesus/Isa itu Pesuruh Tuhan, 1 of the AllMighthy Messenger like Solomon, David, Moses & Mohammad. The concept here that christian beleived that he Jesus is a God@ son of God. How can God Died? God have all the power & He can forgive everyone that His chosen. He dont have to sacrifice Himself. Dont u get the logic?

  • This is where the difference is btween Christianity and Islam. Christian believe Jesus is God. The 2nd person of the Trinity. Jesus chose to die on the cross to meet the righteous demands of a Holy God. A price had to be paid for man's rebellion. That is why Jesus chose to lay aside his divinity (God) and allow to be born as a human. Jesus chose to die on the cross. When we die only our body die. Our spirit and soul is immortal. That is why we can enjoy heaven or suffer in hell for all eternity.

  • U said, Jesus is God. Then u said, Jesus aka God chose to die to meet demands of Holy God. The issues here, Do u think Jesus aka God died? How can God died? Then there is holy God? Which mean another God beside Jesus?Think Logic. If so, God created heaven & hell. If each & everyone on earth including died peoples before & live today are christian & go to heaven, who suppose to go to hell? If noone go to hell, why God created it? Dont make sense isn't?

  • Christians believe in the Trinity as revealed by the Bible. 3 but 1. John 3:16 says that God so loved the world that he sent Jesus to save mankind. I have explained to you that Jesus set aside his divinity (God) and became man, to live a sinless life that pleased God, then to die for sinful men. I have also explained to you that when 'humans' die, only the body lies in the grave but the soul/spirit departs the body. If i am not mistaken Muslims also believe this. Hell is reserved for Satan......

  • ...........and the fallen angels. (demons) and for those who rejects Jesus as Saviour and Lord, also for those 'bad Christians' (Matt 7:21).

  • Yes, we muslims believed in hereafter. And of course hell is reserve for satan and who worship satan or do sin like satan do ie drink alcohol which is forbidden. Rape, murder & many more. So, ie if u kill me, than Jesus has to blame cause Jesus carry all the human sins. He will go to Hell. But, Father forgive him. How can He let His only Son rod in hell right? So, where is Justice here?

  • We are definitely responsible for our actions. If we kill someone, then we have to pay the price, be sent to jail or sent to the gallows. If I killed someone because I was very angry at that time, but after that I feel sorry for what I have done and ask God to forgive me, will God forgive me? Yes, but I still have to face the human judgement. Or if in the system of doing good to balance out the bad, how much good must I do to pay for this sin?

  • In Quran God encourages muslims to fight to defend themselves from oppression, but warns them not to trangress limits that He has set (killing innocents or without reason, spreading corruption etc) because he does not like trangressors. IE Quran 4:92 and many more. I think in bible say "an eye for an eye". Maybe u can comfirm in what verse. Now, the human law/system. We can clearly see that many country does not follow God rules right? Who do u think responsible for this?

  • Yes it is in Matt 5:38, but please do read on till verse 48 on this matter. We need to understand what the Bible/Koran teaches and not what the Christians/Muslims do. If I do something which is not from the Bible then no body should say Christianity is bad. Or Islam likewise. Also we need to understand the general concept of a religion and not just pick up a verse from here and there to justify something. We also need to understand what our own religion teach.

  • Yes. i agree. The concept of all religion no matter monotheism & polytheistic, is belivieng in good & do good deeds. I read the matt 5 tru verse 48 and it ask/want christians to be perfect. As we know human will never be. But i understand that 38-48 clearly cause i have heard it before.

  • Jd skrg, kamu ambil faktanya dr Bible. Mari kita selidiki dlu bahan bukti adakah Bible itu Word of God. Kami sbgi muslim percaya Injil, zabur & taurat. Tp jika dilihat skrg, most of the bible is Old Testiment. Which mean, Jesus/Isa just bring some of the New Testament. & now, we all have The Last Testiment which is Quran. Jd, klu anda manusia yg mempunyai akal, kamu akan menggunakan teknologi yg lama @ yg baru?

  • Yes I have read parts of the Koran where the contradictions are. And yes I have read the Bible many times over. Also I am talking about the difference in the Bible and the Koran.

    For example Jesus himself said that there is no 'sex' in heaven and why does the Koran teach that those those who died in Jihad gets the 'service' of 70 virgins.

    You did not answer this question. Is this in the Koran. Pls do answer, lets have a healthy debate. The search for the TRUTH is a live long journey.

  • Where is the part in Quran say that? In what surah & what ayat? Same here, u didnt answer the question. We all here to searching for the truth. How can i answer that question if there is not in quran? & yes, let have a healthy debate.

  • kesian org christian yng baik2 tapi tetap mati didalam keadaan kafir.dan tetap keneraka...wahai org2 christian dan apa jua agama anda selain islam...pelajari lah islam dengan sebaik-baiknya..dan nilai lah sendiri..islam adalah agama yg sebenar bagi semua hamba tuhan dimuka bumi ini..islam tidak menyuruh hambanya membunuh atau meletupkan diri..islam itu indah..teliti lah makna al quran yang diturunkan oleh tuhan yang maha berkuasa..iaitu ALLAH TAALA..

  • You read your Koran and ask yourself why it contradicts so much with the teaching of Jesus in the Bible. For example Jesus himself said that there is no 'sex' in heaven and why does the Koran teach that those those who died in Jihad gets the 'service' of 70 virgins. You apparently don't know your own religion because your 'holy book' is filled with commands to kill and humiliate non Muslims. For your own sake, and for your personal salvation make a genuine search for the truth.

  • Koran don't have any contradictions what so ever. On the other hand, your Bible sir have so many contradictions. For example, did u find any text that say Jesus is god? or worship him as god? Koran never teach to kill & humiliate non Muslims. Did u read Koran sir? Can u show it & prove it to me that any single text command to kill other peoples without concrete reason?

  • aaahhh....cape deehh...GATOT tuh dr campbel. alias GAGAL TOTAL!!! mempertahankan keyakinannya. klo sidang skripsi dah diusir dah tuh. tolong cari yg lain yg bisa ngimbangin dr naik dong

    kasian dia gugup, dah kayak ayam gagal bertelor.

  • yesus bukan nabi isa! isa diangkat Allah ke langit supaya baginda tidak diburu oleh org2 nasrani yg ingin menyalib baginda. yesus yg disalib adlh sorg llki yg menyerupai nabi isa...trus, sy t'pikir... knapa org kristen mhu menyalib yesus?itu menyiksa makhluk bkan?

  • Tuhan Yesus sendiri berkata yang Dia datang untuk mati buat keselamatan manusia. Utk saya dan kamu. Yesus sanggup utk mengalami segala kesakitan dan penyeksaan kerana dia bagitu mengasihi manusia. Saya harap kamu dapat selidik dengan sendiri kenapa Yesus 'perlu' mati. Bible mengatakan Allah tlh meletak segala dosa manusia di atas bahu Yesus. Yesus di hukum buat dosa kita. Kalau bukan kerana pengorbanan Yesus, jalan keselamatan masih tertutup buat kita. Cari kebenaran, kamu pasti menemuinya.

  • Bagaimana seorang manusia boleh menanggung dosa seorang yg lain? Cth, sy membunuh org. Semua saksinya & bahan buktinya ada. Tetapi yg dihukum adalah kamu. Itu baru sy seorg, klu ramai yg bunuh org dlm dunia ni, kamu akan memikul tanggungjwbnya? Tidakkah pelik & berlanggaran dgn hukum akal & logic?

    Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.Matthew 5:38.

    Tidakkah kamu memahami al-kitabmu sendiri?

  • Kamu perlu memahami siapa itu Yesus. Manusia yang berdosa tidak boleh menangung dosa orang lain. Tetapi Bible mengatakan Yesus datang dari Syurga. Tuhan menjadi manusia. Hidup sebagai manusia tetapi tanpa dosa. Akhirnya mati buat manusia yang berdosa, untuk membuka jalan keselamatan buat manusia. Hanya mereka yang memilih untuk memasuki jalan ini akan di selamatkan. Yesus perlu mati untuk memenuhi syarat Tuhan yang maha suci.

  • Kamu tidak faham tentang agama Kristian. Kalau kamu faham, tentu kamu akan tahu mengapa Yesus perlu di seksa dan di salibkan. Yesus memilih untuk melakukan sedemikian untuk membuka jalan keselamatan buat manusia. Kata Yesus kepadanya: "Akulah jalan dan kebenaran dan hidup. Tidak ada seorangpun yang datang kepada Bapa, kalau tidak melalui Aku. -Joh 14:6.

  • palehotakko.....

    kata yesus tuhan patu nape lak die kene mati, tuhan mane leh mati? itu menunjukkan yang yesus itu tak berkuasa maksudnya die bukan tuhan paham....

    satu lagi kalau die anak tuhan apsal bapak die tak selamatkan die?

  • SEHARUSNYA !!!!!

    masalah agama itu nggak usah DIPERDEBATKAN !!!!!!!!!

  • kristen itu ada sesudah Nabi Isa AS diangkat ke surga..lha ko mau2nya orang ikutin si paulus yang gk pernah ketemu Nabi Isa, tapi ngaku2 bawa agama Nabi Isa..

  • Kamu yang silap. Paulus memang telah berjumpa dengan Yesus. Bacalah Bible untuk mendapat pengetahuan yang sempurna tentang Agama Kristian sebelum membuat komen tentang agama itu.

  • nabi isa,musa ialah makhluk kepada allah...orang islam sembah kepada allah..

    orang kristian menyembah kepada makhluk allah..

    jadi mana lebih maha agung..???

    allah atau makhluknya..??

  • Yesus sediri mengatakan yang Dia dtg dari syurga, maka dia bukan makhluk tapi Allah sendir. Ngak pernah kamu dengar tentang Allah Tritunggal? Kalau kamu benar2 mencari Kebenaran dgn hati yang merendahkan diri, pasti kamu akan menjumpainya, dan kebenaran ini akan memerdekakan mu.

  • setiap agama ada individu2 yg tidak baik..kita hanyalah manusia biasa..

  • gw bingung sama kalian semua..

    agama islam itu senang sekali ya kalau merasa terhina..

    padahal saya kristen malah senang bergaul dengan siapapun.. teman2 juga banyak yang islam dan agama lain.. kami tidak pernah menghina agama kalian..

  • saya juga islam. saya keturunan chinese dan teman2 saya kebanyakan chinese kristen. kita senang2 aja temanan.

    soal menghina itu tergantung individunya, gak semua orang islam begitu. teman saya yang chinese aja banyak yang suka menghina..terang2an malah didepan mata. begitu gwe jawab, dia uda gabisa jawab lagi..

    emang kebanyakan cuma bisanya ngomong doank.. hahaha :D

  • Wah yang dibahas disini bukan penghinaan tapi mengungkap kebenaran.Zakir berusaha mengungkap kebenaran dan dia berhasil (lihat akhir) sementara chambell menyerang kebenaran dan dia kalah,karena bagaimanapun juga kebenaran itu akan menang.

    Kalau kebenaran itu terasa pahit bagi beberapa pihak dan merasa terhina itu yah resiko,tapi semua orang tetap berhak untuk tau kebenaran,seperti apa kristen itu sebenarnya.

  • oke no problem...

    smua tentang kepercayaan bagi saya tidak bisa di selami dengan akal dan logika manusia karena terlampau dalam dan mulia..

    hanya waktu yang dapat membuktikannya.

  • Sebenarnya agama tuh bukan untuk diperdebatkan tapi untuk dijalankan, wong satu agama aja banyak aliran karena beda persepsi tafsir karena beda sudut pandang, nah ini orang yang bener-bener beda sudut pandang mau ngomentari agama orang lain, bener-bener ga nyambung ... udah lah prens ... PEACE ...

    saya Muslim

  • nyambung banget lagi, dr sambel kan bilang islam tidak sesuai dgn teknologi, sementara Zakir Naik membuktikan bahwa itu tidak benar, dan membuktikan yang sebaliknya, bible-lah biang kebodohan dan gak masuk akal.

    Lagian inikan bukan debat kusir, jadi bermanfaat,banyak loh yang masuk Islam lewat pencerahan begini, walaupun yang ndablek lebih banyak siihh...

  • eng gimana ya,tentang perdebatan ini mungkin untuk lebih terbuka antara islam dan kristen, karena memang dua hal itulah yang selalu diperdebatkan, munkin agar semua hal menjadi jelas antar islam dan kristen saya Muslim

  • Kitab Kejadian 2:16 menyatakan bahwa Allah mengizinkan mereka memakan buah dari pohon manapun juga yang ada di taman itu, termasuk buah Pohon Kehidupan. Ketika Hawa, dan kemudian Adam, memakan buah yang terlarang itu dari Pohon Pengetahuan tentang Yang Baik dan Yang Jahat (3:6), setelah dicobai oleh si ular (3:15)

  • pelecehan bibel kepada tuhan....tuhan menyesal dan pilu hati(kejadian6;5,6 keluaran32;14.tuhan jorok,menyuruh makan tahi(yehezkil4:12-15) tuhan kalah duel dg yakub(kejadian32;28)

  • leewien itu gila orgnya

  • faithfreedom . org?? web gak mutu.. yang isinya propaganda kristen yang gak berdasar.

    "

    "Bila setiap orang memfungsikan akal dan kalbunya secara obyektif niscaya kebenaran islam tidak terbantahkan".

  • ya kalau yang diberitakan itu adalah kebenaran janganlah menutup mata.....

  • memang itulah ciri 2 kaum munafik, ahli kitab dan sejenisnya. mereka suka memutar- mutar kata,merubahnya dan menjualnya dgn tukaran yg kecil.kasihan mereka.mereka kaum yg tidak tau walaupun ilmu dunianya mungkin tinggi.mereka seperti sama saja dngn orang yang tak bergama. naudzubillah.

  • Kalian Kristen selalu memfitnah,tidak berdasarkan fakta,suka ngubah kitab sendiri,Jangankan seorang Dr.Naik.Nabi-nabi pun kalian hina.

  • Itu lah yang di ajar oleh org2 islam, tapi kalau di selidik dgn terperinchi kamu dpt tahu sebaliknya. Masih ada dokumen2 asli yg menunjukkan bahawa Bible yg kami ada sekarang sama seperti Bible di zaman permulaan. Kami org2 Kristen tak mungkin menghina Nabi2 yg benar. Cuba kamu katakan fakta mana yg di ubah? Koran mengatakan yg Ingil(Bible) itu Firman Tuhan dan Allah dpt melindungi Firman nya dari di ubah. Kalau benar Bible di ubah maka Koran sdh tak betul juga.

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