They want to fucking read our minds so that they can predict how humans react to certain sensations. They will sell the information for billions to big brand companies and the government to successfully manipulate us.
Either things can go the way as it is in the Terminator films or in The Matrix films haha.... that's kinda scary... but at the same time, this is a pretty cool and neat step beyond.
They'll have to get beyond what we know as computers today before they can make a self aware computer.
It took around 20,000 processors to simulate 10,000 neurons or a single neocortical column in a rat's brain.
A human brain has 100 billion neurons.
IBM does not have to money to make the thing It's going to need to be a very complex quantum computer or atleast have qbit elements to be fully accurate.
Building the machine would cost more then NASA's moon base.
Those 20,000 processors where normal processors running software that simulate neurons. What Facets or IBM are trying to do is build processors that simulate neurons on the hardware level.
Simulation is not awareness. Awareness is something beyond computation. A computer is still computing things based on its atomic operations, no matter how powerfull it is.
In the end if you look at individual neurons in the brain it's not that different. Whether these processes are carried out by biological neurons or by silicon processors/circuits emulating their information processing behavior shouldn't make a difference.
@QuintusSecundus If it doesn't make a difference then there can a computer and a life-algorithm exist that is able to get self-aware just by controlling "biological hardware", neurons etc...Interesting stuff but life will remain a mystery. But it seems the main problem in future will be how to deal with parallel processing, more a software-engineering one.
1) Monitors will project into the air and use NANO dust for imaging
2) Keyboards will be replaced by "hologram boxes" projected by a flat piece of material where your keyboard used to sit. You manipulate data with your hands. Certain gestures like snapping your fingers will launch powerful program commands.
3) Your PC storage will be in the QUADRABYTES
4) The Internet will be 50,000 times faster than now
Some people say "WE don't know..." when really they mean "I don't know..." If "we" means the neurobiologists among us, and not people who program desktop digital computers, then "we" know a lot more about how the brain functions than most people realize (though admittedly many things are still left to investigate).
There are approaches in neuronical-clusters(theoretically can even manage some things a lot more efficient like our brain), still they can only learn things being clearly definable, jurs one thing why no computer passes a turing test for long.
Other than that many very very understimate how much knowledge it is required to write a programm for such "monitoring" then. About how brain functions you can hardly grab it concretely, for example in a computer memory is digital, in a brain not
I used to be a computer designer for the Big Blue Machine. I have to actually laugh when I listen to this. It's all a pipe dream at this point. Maybe the presenter could actually tell me how the brain works since that is his foundational model. Scientists know about as much of the human brain as they know about nuclear fusion. - Fifty years after predicting fusion as an energy source was a few years off, we are still beating our heads against the wall. This is no different.
Why don't you send me an email to my Youtube address and tell me all of the finer points of why scientists can't create sustainable nuclear fusion after fifty years and hundreds of billions of dollars trying. You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Perhaps a class on science would help you. You are big hat and no cattle. I can make that statement because I understand our limitations of science in fusion. You are just an ignorant mite pestering me. Go fly a kite.
Scientists really do know an awful lot about nuclear fusion. Fixating on the fact we don't have fusion power plants is moving the goal-posts somewhat; but you keep peddling your straw man fallacy.
If you really are ignorant of the achievements in this field then you should know that a detailed model of nucleosynthesis that happens within stars via fusion exists, thermonuclear bombs that utilise fusion have been tested. Fusion reactions have even been intiated in prototype power facilities albeit at an energy deficit.
They also happen to know that fusion occurs due to the nuclear weak force; which converts protons to neutrons and neutrons to protons via bosons. And, indeed, there is a mountain of literature on the mechanics of this fundamental force which has been united with electromagnetism under super symmetry in the standard model. Either you're trying to say scientists know a lot about the brain or you chose a poor example.
This has to be the shittiest interview I've ever seen. Add the woman's shrilly voice, and we have the shittiest video I've ever seen. Thanks, WIRED! You're my shining boy.
PS: Thank GOD the world's economy is melting down. Perhaps IBM will go under and without funding ALL of the MAD SCIENTISTS will have to get real jobs like pumping gas or at 7/11 or???
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If it sounds like a mad scientist,
has ideas like a mad scientist,
it just might be a mad scientist.
Do we really need one super computer without emotion or a sense of right vs wrong to monitor everything we do think and say on earth? The good news: IF computers do EVERYTHING then Mad Scientist will soon forget how to do anything. When the computer breaks we can all go back to normal.
God this is awesome. They are basically creating AI! If they succeed at this, which they will...eventually (meaning nearest 10, 20, 30 years) , well..all I can say this will become a very, very interesting world. AI brings so much new possibilities...mind uploading will become a reality and people won't ever die but continue existing in virtual worlds or become cyborgs. I am also downloading Kurzweils book right now...holy shit this is awesome!
This - or a later more advance version - will be God. And I will worship it, when it uses its intelligence to solve our problems and to protect us. But it shouldnt have emotions. THATS really, really bad.
Yep, you are right. But emotions might also be a good thing, like for example, being unemotional they AI might thing it would be a good plan to neutralize humans because they are ruining the planet or something...and you won't be able to appeal to its emotions for symphaty or love...see what i mean? This is matrix all over agian
Obviously a lot of the commenters here have watched too many Hollywood sci-fi movies. Relax a bit. Sure, there are potential dangers with building an advanced AI (or artificial general intelligence as it is also called), but there are also potential benefits. Again, I can recommend reading Ray Kurzweil's excellent book "The Singularity is Near". He deals with both the potential dangers and benefits with an AGI, and does so with great insight.
You don't know how dangerous Ray Kurzweil actually is.
He is FOR world government and acknowledges that only a tiny few will get to reap the rewards of the Transhumanist movement.
Don't be like the Russian suckers that fell for Communism - it's the same shit but wrapped in a new cybernetic package. Altruistic movements, such as eugenics and collectivism, had a habit of turning out bad - and I don't see any reason to think that Transhumanism will turn out any different.
are you a fuckng idiot??? why dont u justdrop a fucking nuke on every country on this planet... creating this fucking thing will only lead into a disaster.. if the object learns all that.. it WILL learn to kill to survive.. start fuckin thinking of what your about to do... i dont wana think about whats gona happen if you guys build this.. so fucking think about what your doing
It doesn't need to kill to survive stupid. It isn't a biological organism but computer stimulated. It just needs electricity, also if it synthetic there is no problem for it surviving.
who the fuck u calling stupid u piece of shit? How the fuck would u know what would happen in the future. Idiots like u always say shit like, nothing is going to happen, and then in the end who gets fucked. It's always the ones that think they know shit.
Wow ... the Matrix trilogy is coming to life ... I think computers with the ability of human cognition will think of themselves as part of human life; only thing is they may see themselves as slaves and may not like that! Naturally no human wants to be another's slaves. So these pcs may backlash first by building themselves to levels we could only dream off, helped to robotics and then gain the upper hand. Man will be history then!!!
If this works, it will be the ultimate armageddon for humans. There just will be no reason to think or to work or to study any more. All humans will just become absolutely useless, they won't be able to compete against an artifical superbrain. It won't harm anyone directly, it just will take the reason to live.
I'm not against progress.
I know it's good. Good for intelligence.
I'm just pissed off, that i'm not the one who is going to build this thing
I hope that this will be the case. If the machine respects lower intelligence (like us) and helps us to become something better, this would be much more comfortable, than just becoming extinct, of course...
But i fear, that it rather becomes aware of threats like asteroids or gamma bursts. Then it becomes scared, and just wants to protect itself, e.g. by getting out from our solar system. For this, the machine might want to use all ressources for its own resque, instead of wasting energy on ppl
Yeah, we should hardcode stuff in the AI like "always save humans/planet first", "human/planet life above AI life" Something like in that movie Irobot
Creating a computer that the designers don't fully understand isn't a problem in itself. However, a natural byproduct of that creating will be emotion and I can't see the benefit of an emotional computer.
If it indeed works as planned, it will be a trillion times more intelligent and smarter than Albert Einstein. It might even (with a bit of creativity) think of the equation for Star Trek's Warp drive. This is the Future.
check out Ray Kurzveill´s "the singularity is near", "When humans transcend biology", amazing book on the future of humanity, the most fascinating book I have read.
I can recommend Kurzweil's book, too. Some of his predicitions might be a little optimistic, but no doubt many of the potentially world-changing technologies he speaks of will see daylight within a couple of decades.
"They" said that Isambard Kingdom Brunel's design of the Great Western Railway would cause the trains passengers to suffocate. Good job he ignored "them"
Oh jeah, how can you reverse ingeneer brain if you dont have a clue how it works?
71GA 5 months ago
Incrívelll! :D IBM Sempre impressionando! ;) eu quero ter um computador desses, será se vai dar tempo ou só meus netos? Rss
wgarrito 5 months ago
They want to fucking read our minds so that they can predict how humans react to certain sensations. They will sell the information for billions to big brand companies and the government to successfully manipulate us.
TrickyEmu 5 months ago
Either things can go the way as it is in the Terminator films or in The Matrix films haha.... that's kinda scary... but at the same time, this is a pretty cool and neat step beyond.
OrlyDudeGuy 5 months ago
Computing... the only way to save the human race is to eliminate all humans,release all Nukes :D
danielking104 6 months ago
beep here is the terminator calling beep
hogendorn 1 year ago
Wow! Now we'll be "monitored" in our homes, I wonder who'll be doing that & what they'll do with such technology !!!
Someone hand me over George Orwell's book 1984 on how totalitarian state would look like.
lomocan 1 year ago
this is a sick man
Mauro1002 1 year ago
what a stupid joke.
Taropok 1 year ago
obviously one needs to learn from the brain how to build better computers, but IBM was just called on their scam.
davidgreen2020 2 years ago
I think I will just stick to mouse and keyboard
jkman10 2 years ago
They'll have to get beyond what we know as computers today before they can make a self aware computer.
It took around 20,000 processors to simulate 10,000 neurons or a single neocortical column in a rat's brain.
A human brain has 100 billion neurons.
IBM does not have to money to make the thing It's going to need to be a very complex quantum computer or atleast have qbit elements to be fully accurate.
Building the machine would cost more then NASA's moon base.
Membrane556 2 years ago
Those 20,000 processors where normal processors running software that simulate neurons. What Facets or IBM are trying to do is build processors that simulate neurons on the hardware level.
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
@Membrane556
Simulation is not awareness. Awareness is something beyond computation. A computer is still computing things based on its atomic operations, no matter how powerfull it is.
jurisnake8 1 year ago
@jurisnake8
In the end if you look at individual neurons in the brain it's not that different. Whether these processes are carried out by biological neurons or by silicon processors/circuits emulating their information processing behavior shouldn't make a difference.
QuintusSecundus 1 year ago
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jurisnake8 1 year ago
@QuintusSecundus If it doesn't make a difference then there can a computer and a life-algorithm exist that is able to get self-aware just by controlling "biological hardware", neurons etc...Interesting stuff but life will remain a mystery. But it seems the main problem in future will be how to deal with parallel processing, more a software-engineering one.
jurisnake8 1 year ago
If we could see a future computer from the year 2050, we would truly be scared.
It's better that we don't see it yet. We are not ready to think that big yet.
It would be like if you showed the Pilgrims of 1607 a Commodore 64 in action...they would panic and kill you for such "witchcraft".
TruthandJustice101 2 years ago
@TruthandJustice101 mabye your just not ready but I wanna see that shit. Peace
putthisonmytab 2 years ago
Future computers in our lifetime:
1) Monitors will project into the air and use NANO dust for imaging
2) Keyboards will be replaced by "hologram boxes" projected by a flat piece of material where your keyboard used to sit. You manipulate data with your hands. Certain gestures like snapping your fingers will launch powerful program commands.
3) Your PC storage will be in the QUADRABYTES
4) The Internet will be 50,000 times faster than now
5) A PC will be 1,000,000 times more powerful
TruthandJustice101 2 years ago
nano's are being looked at as a health problem, they could get into your lungs and you're basically dead.
keyboards will always stay the way they are, they'll probably have screens on them for a tablet pen or finger.
thumb drives will hold over 400 gbs.
and instead of holograms we'll have glasses that work with software on a pc..
nsewx 2 years ago
Our lifetime ?
I'm 95 years old.
couga8888 2 years ago 11
@couga8888 your profile says you're 37. we are watching.
unabonger777 1 year ago
@unabonger777 héhé yes you're right ;)
My point was that when someone say our lifetime it's doesn't mean mutch since the listener could be 8 years old or 100.
couga8888 1 year ago
@couga8888 Are you still alive? Then Google "Cognitive Computer". ;)
J2897Tutorials 5 months ago
@TruthandJustice101 There's no such thing as a quadrabyte
Leobons 2 years ago
@Leobons
Wrong.
Quadrabytes will be invented by the year 2000. Just wait. You'll see.
TruthandJustice101 2 years ago
its 2010, your "Quadrabyte is about 10 years late
Patriot16100 1 year ago
Some people say "WE don't know..." when really they mean "I don't know..." If "we" means the neurobiologists among us, and not people who program desktop digital computers, then "we" know a lot more about how the brain functions than most people realize (though admittedly many things are still left to investigate).
dtstrain 2 years ago 3
There are approaches in neuronical-clusters(theoretically can even manage some things a lot more efficient like our brain), still they can only learn things being clearly definable, jurs one thing why no computer passes a turing test for long.
Other than that many very very understimate how much knowledge it is required to write a programm for such "monitoring" then. About how brain functions you can hardly grab it concretely, for example in a computer memory is digital, in a brain not
jurisnake8 2 years ago
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jurisnake8 2 years ago
we are gods who made our selves in our own image ....
djredi 2 years ago
I used to be a computer designer for the Big Blue Machine. I have to actually laugh when I listen to this. It's all a pipe dream at this point. Maybe the presenter could actually tell me how the brain works since that is his foundational model. Scientists know about as much of the human brain as they know about nuclear fusion. - Fifty years after predicting fusion as an energy source was a few years off, we are still beating our heads against the wall. This is no different.
123BDG123 2 years ago
Scientists know an awful lot about nuclear fusion; what a poor analogy for the point you were trying to make.
myblueipod 2 years ago 2
Why don't you send me an email to my Youtube address and tell me all of the finer points of why scientists can't create sustainable nuclear fusion after fifty years and hundreds of billions of dollars trying. You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
123BDG123 2 years ago
Knowing about something and putting that knowledge into practice are two different things; perhaps a class in semantics would help you?
myblueipod 2 years ago 2
Perhaps a class on science would help you. You are big hat and no cattle. I can make that statement because I understand our limitations of science in fusion. You are just an ignorant mite pestering me. Go fly a kite.
123BDG123 2 years ago
Scientists really do know an awful lot about nuclear fusion. Fixating on the fact we don't have fusion power plants is moving the goal-posts somewhat; but you keep peddling your straw man fallacy.
myblueipod 2 years ago 3
If you really are ignorant of the achievements in this field then you should know that a detailed model of nucleosynthesis that happens within stars via fusion exists, thermonuclear bombs that utilise fusion have been tested. Fusion reactions have even been intiated in prototype power facilities albeit at an energy deficit.
myblueipod 2 years ago 2
You can make fusion reactions in a desktop device called a Farnsworth Fusor.
Getting fusion is easy getting break even in controlled fusion is what is difficult.
JET comes close to break even ITAR is supposed to achieve several times break even.
Membrane556 2 years ago
They also happen to know that fusion occurs due to the nuclear weak force; which converts protons to neutrons and neutrons to protons via bosons. And, indeed, there is a mountain of literature on the mechanics of this fundamental force which has been united with electromagnetism under super symmetry in the standard model. Either you're trying to say scientists know a lot about the brain or you chose a poor example.
myblueipod 2 years ago 2
Bahhaaaaa. You are an idiot. You copied and pasted some wikipedia garbage and it shows.
123BDG123 2 years ago
Sure man, I'm the idiot ;)
myblueipod 2 years ago 3
This has to be the shittiest interview I've ever seen. Add the woman's shrilly voice, and we have the shittiest video I've ever seen. Thanks, WIRED! You're my shining boy.
Tobaman111 3 years ago
PS: Thank GOD the world's economy is melting down. Perhaps IBM will go under and without funding ALL of the MAD SCIENTISTS will have to get real jobs like pumping gas or at 7/11 or???
MIBstudios 3 years ago
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If it sounds like a mad scientist,
has ideas like a mad scientist,
it just might be a mad scientist.
Do we really need one super computer without emotion or a sense of right vs wrong to monitor everything we do think and say on earth? The good news: IF computers do EVERYTHING then Mad Scientist will soon forget how to do anything. When the computer breaks we can all go back to normal.
MIBstudios 3 years ago
God this is awesome. They are basically creating AI! If they succeed at this, which they will...eventually (meaning nearest 10, 20, 30 years) , well..all I can say this will become a very, very interesting world. AI brings so much new possibilities...mind uploading will become a reality and people won't ever die but continue existing in virtual worlds or become cyborgs. I am also downloading Kurzweils book right now...holy shit this is awesome!
LatestUFOSightings 3 years ago
This is Terminator's Skynet meets The Matrix.
And, of course, we as human cattle should just accept all this, right? After all, what right do we have to live UNMONITORED?
squarepusher2 3 years ago
Brain -> Pineal gland simulation is possible with a matrix of Random Number Generators and a Boltzmann neural net.
ORIONCUBE 3 years ago
he says emotion twice.
bellend181818 3 years ago 17
Did anyone see the batman movie with the riddler! Isnt that what he was working on?
quake8791 3 years ago
хаха ще го направят като първо направят reverse engineering на мозъка
em111o 3 years ago
So there are two points of achievement here.
One where you mange to produce a brain that operates to the same complexity as the human brain.
And the point where you manage to make that component act even faster than a human brain.
I think the latter is referred to as 0 point.
I suppose we should call the other point the point of human cognition.
wildchildplasma 3 years ago
LOL SKYNET Lets do it maybe we can let it fix our economy haha
Teller1337 3 years ago 6
*coughs (bullshit)*
melloki76 3 years ago
This - or a later more advance version - will be God. And I will worship it, when it uses its intelligence to solve our problems and to protect us. But it shouldnt have emotions. THATS really, really bad.
angel2901 3 years ago
Yep, you are right. But emotions might also be a good thing, like for example, being unemotional they AI might thing it would be a good plan to neutralize humans because they are ruining the planet or something...and you won't be able to appeal to its emotions for symphaty or love...see what i mean? This is matrix all over agian
LatestUFOSightings 3 years ago
calm down, IBM just needs public attention
ServetCetin81 3 years ago
Obviously a lot of the commenters here have watched too many Hollywood sci-fi movies. Relax a bit. Sure, there are potential dangers with building an advanced AI (or artificial general intelligence as it is also called), but there are also potential benefits. Again, I can recommend reading Ray Kurzweil's excellent book "The Singularity is Near". He deals with both the potential dangers and benefits with an AGI, and does so with great insight.
LunchAnderson 3 years ago 3
You don't know how dangerous Ray Kurzweil actually is.
He is FOR world government and acknowledges that only a tiny few will get to reap the rewards of the Transhumanist movement.
Don't be like the Russian suckers that fell for Communism - it's the same shit but wrapped in a new cybernetic package. Altruistic movements, such as eugenics and collectivism, had a habit of turning out bad - and I don't see any reason to think that Transhumanism will turn out any different.
squarepusher2 3 years ago
are you a fuckng idiot??? why dont u justdrop a fucking nuke on every country on this planet... creating this fucking thing will only lead into a disaster.. if the object learns all that.. it WILL learn to kill to survive.. start fuckin thinking of what your about to do... i dont wana think about whats gona happen if you guys build this.. so fucking think about what your doing
Mr9000and1 3 years ago
It doesn't need to kill to survive stupid. It isn't a biological organism but computer stimulated. It just needs electricity, also if it synthetic there is no problem for it surviving.
LatestUFOSightings 3 years ago
who the fuck u calling stupid u piece of shit? How the fuck would u know what would happen in the future. Idiots like u always say shit like, nothing is going to happen, and then in the end who gets fucked. It's always the ones that think they know shit.
Mr9000and1 3 years ago
You have watched too many conspiration theories.
LatestUFOSightings 3 years ago
And you talk to much shit you dont really know about. So do us all a favor and stfu
Mr9000and1 3 years ago
lol and this is coming from a guy which name is LatestUFOSightings.
Mr9000and1 3 years ago
Ignore that. Long story.
LatestUFOSightings 3 years ago
Wow ... the Matrix trilogy is coming to life ... I think computers with the ability of human cognition will think of themselves as part of human life; only thing is they may see themselves as slaves and may not like that! Naturally no human wants to be another's slaves. So these pcs may backlash first by building themselves to levels we could only dream off, helped to robotics and then gain the upper hand. Man will be history then!!!
tobysutube 3 years ago
Someone needs to assassinate this guy.
ZeRo2545 3 years ago
I'm really afraid, that this could happen.
Some furious hopeless people could blow it all up, declare war against any kind of intelligence, prohibit usage of electricity and wheels...
And live happily in the stone age...
...until they got smashed by the damn asteroid or eliminated by a quantumsuperbrain build by another civilisation
machines win like that or not, it's only question of time.
Blowing all up is not the answer, you can't stop evolution
0x7F800000 3 years ago 3
It's the most dangerous invention since WMD.
If this works, it will be the ultimate armageddon for humans. There just will be no reason to think or to work or to study any more. All humans will just become absolutely useless, they won't be able to compete against an artifical superbrain. It won't harm anyone directly, it just will take the reason to live.
I'm not against progress.
I know it's good. Good for intelligence.
I'm just pissed off, that i'm not the one who is going to build this thing
0x7F800000 3 years ago
Perhaps we can use this (not yet existing) artifical superbrain to help enhance ourselves. That's what many futurists think will be the case.
LunchAnderson 3 years ago
I hope that this will be the case. If the machine respects lower intelligence (like us) and helps us to become something better, this would be much more comfortable, than just becoming extinct, of course...
But i fear, that it rather becomes aware of threats like asteroids or gamma bursts. Then it becomes scared, and just wants to protect itself, e.g. by getting out from our solar system. For this, the machine might want to use all ressources for its own resque, instead of wasting energy on ppl
0x7F800000 3 years ago
machines are not going to have complete control over humans ... by then humans would be half machine anyways.
vrshowdown 3 years ago 2
Space Marine Techmarine.
dragoons9009 2 years ago
Yeah, we should hardcode stuff in the AI like "always save humans/planet first", "human/planet life above AI life" Something like in that movie Irobot
LatestUFOSightings 3 years ago
Creating a computer that the designers don't fully understand isn't a problem in itself. However, a natural byproduct of that creating will be emotion and I can't see the benefit of an emotional computer.
hughbee2002 3 years ago
This is a very exciting project. If it succeeds it might be the start of a transformation of humanity into something better.
LunchAnderson 3 years ago 3
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If it indeed works as planned, it will be a trillion times more intelligent and smarter than Albert Einstein. It might even (with a bit of creativity) think of the equation for Star Trek's Warp drive. This is the Future.
A good one, I hope.
dragoons9009 2 years ago
check out Ray Kurzveill´s "the singularity is near", "When humans transcend biology", amazing book on the future of humanity, the most fascinating book I have read.
bastienfrancois 3 years ago 2
I can recommend Kurzweil's book, too. Some of his predicitions might be a little optimistic, but no doubt many of the potentially world-changing technologies he speaks of will see daylight within a couple of decades.
LunchAnderson 3 years ago
I want one!
bastienfrancois 3 years ago
Makes me think of Doctor Sivasubramanian Chandrasegarampillai.
connectdotstars 3 years ago
knickname "Deep Thought" seems apt
TennisSal 3 years ago
is intelligence merely a function of complexity. hopefully with project like this in the next 50 years we will find out
mathmyster 3 years ago
No chance! Mrs. Connor will shoot this system down to pieces :)
mawaii 3 years ago 5
Incredible. Absolutely mind blowing.
winterkm01 3 years ago 3
Welcome to FrankenScience. This technology has big downsides and upsides.
1BuckeyeNation 3 years ago
depends how you percieve it brother
grotrev 3 years ago
"They" said that Isambard Kingdom Brunel's design of the Great Western Railway would cause the trains passengers to suffocate. Good job he ignored "them"
TheHolySpirit 3 years ago