@thebigbad47 didnt u know eveybody on here could beat brock lesnar even the fat out of shape kids who cant walk up a flight of stair without oxygen mask lol get over it brocks the champ for a reason
Where's colossuswright01? I see him spouting and touting himself, then he closes his account?
Oh yes! That's right he had to close it due to the fact that Dana White called him up as a future hopeful to slam Brock Lesnar's face through the earth so Australians in Perth can enjoy him as well.
Loud-mouths like him can't back anything up, so they come here to spawn their own pathological narcissism. Did I mention I could shatter Lesnar's spine with one kick to his solar plexus? It's true I swear.
i think brock should cut down to 185 and fight anderson the spider silva or maybe 170 and fight gsp. that would be awesome. shoot who knows once brock gets down to 170 he could go to 155 and fight bj penn. the skys the limit for this guy. but then i dont even think the sky is the limit for him, i think he could use his freaky athletic ability and get past the athmosphere and float off into space. he is a warrior.
There is one way that Coleman could win. Wait for the perfect moments, and counter. Don't let it go to the ground. Sprawl all takedowns(if that's possible), and try and put in a guillintine choke in. I give Coleman a 3/10 chance to beat Brock. Though Mark in his prime would kill brock.
@MyComedy2k I don't know that a prime coleman would kill Brock. But he would definitely have a better shot than a lot of other guys because of the weight difference. Back then Coleman was like 255 pounds and all roided up, so the strength of Brock wouldn't have been so overbearing. But Coleman now, off the juice, is lucky to be 230 and would be smashed by Lesnar.
@Warrior25Wolf No, you read my comment wrong. I said he'd have a better CHANCE of winning. I agree he'd lose to Brock in a fight nowadays. BUT if Brock was like the guys back then and wanted to just KO someone and had no strategy, he'd get flat-lined by Mark.
@Warrior25Wolf Oh God yeah, he's pretty damn strong. I think the Velasquez fight was his wakeup call to tell him that he still has to fight. He is one beast of a fighter and he's a tough S.O.B without a shadow of a doubt.
@MyComedy2k yeah true! he's a crazy athlete for his size and im sure he'll get better and better,everyone can tell that he's a quick learner,only having like 4 wins and champion.I still think he could be the best if he gets WAY better boxing,thats probably the main thing he's gonna be working on.But we know he can take a punch but ya he needs to learn how to take one on the feet.
@sisudo21 yea ur nuts.....i still dont see y mark coleman is even in the hall of fame. i mean yea he pretty much was the founding father of ground n pound but other then that hes a bum. he hasnt beat anyone really of importance. every fight he faught sum1 with skill he got his ass handed to him. his record isnt that great....just dont think he is a good fighter period.
Ok lesnar sucks plain and simple! He won one damn match and got a title shot... He is 3-1 and I guarantee Carwin beats the hell out of him. Carwin is a better striker and wrestler.
Division 1 and Division 2 is like comparing a Black belt with a Brown belt. There is no damn difference in terms of skill. I've seen state wrestling champs get beat by a ranked 24th wrestler. Watch some of Carwins wrestling matches and then watch some of Brocks...No comparison of who's better skilled! All Carwin. He is going to win.
@slothdaddy915 I'll admit im wrong, Lesnar won.....Kind of funny though he got his ass kicked in the first round. Its also funny because most times a ref would have stopped the fight from the beating that Brock took while he was against the cage. Carwin ran out of steem and I gave him too much credit. Lesnar can not take a punch and you all know it, he froze like a pop-sicle was jammed in his ass. Even the critics thought the fight should have been stopped when Lesnar was getting his ass beat.
@colossuswright01 i had lesnar winning this and im not being bias when i say this....the ref did a good job. every time brock was asked if he wanted out he moved around. he defended most of the shots carwin threw at him. yes some got through but he defended most and kicked carwin away when he needed to. he cant take a punch? was he knocked out after the punches carwin threw landed? no0o i think he can take a HARD ASS PUNCH if u ask me. if he was THAT hurt he wouldnt have come back and won.
@slothdaddy915 He was hurt, he had his arms up trying to protect his face and wasn't answering with anything. The 265lb bloody mess in the corner of the first round wasn't my imagination. Fights have been called for a hell of alot less then the beating Lesnar took in the first round. Lesnar won I'll admit, but guy is not a legitimate Champion though. Who else in the UFC has ever had a 1-1 record and gotten a title shot??? Lesnar is Dana White's side show attraction. Nothing more.
@colossuswright01 first off he was 2-1 just 1-1 in the ufc. yes his name helped but he won the belt. and not a legit champ? he beat randy friggan couture for the title knocked him out actually, finished what he started in the first meeting wit mir and knocked mir out, and just survived the first round and submitted shane friggan carwin...how much more legit can u get. he WAS hurt...but ur acting like guys werent hurt in fights before and won the fight. he was answering back he kicked him away...
@slothdaddy915 This is kind of funny neither of us is going to sway from our own opinions so how do you think Lesnar is going to fair against Cain Velasquez?
@colossuswright01 look at gsp's face after the first round in his first fight with bj penn. brock lesnar answered every time the ref said he needed to do something. multiple times he pushed carwin off of him during the onslaught. just carwin kept coming back but brock DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO TO STAY IN THE FIGHT. the ref made a very good decision in keeping the fight on. if brock wasnt a legit champ and didnt deserve the belt then y does he still have it. y did he win it and defend it twice?
@slothdaddy915 Ok.. The guy has too cut weight from 300lbs, he is a gigantic heavyweight. He beat Randy Couture by nothing more than having 50lbs on him. Thats a hell of alot of extra weight to put behind a punch. Couture has never been a huge heavyweight to begin with ranging usually around 215lbs. Couture lost because of a huge weight disadvantage. I will give you the fact fact that in their second fight Mir laid on his back like a prostitute and was a joke to all BJJ practioneers.
@colossuswright01 he cuts from 285. and ur really downplaying brocks skills man. saying randy couture lost cuz he was too small and thats the only reason and mir lost cuz he just laid there. couture has better hands then brock and brock dropped couture and pounded him out plain and simple and brock kept mir on his back he didnt just lay there he couldnt get out. it was brocks doing not mirs. and i like the fight i think it might be like carwin vs brock just not as hard for brock. brock wins in 2
@slothdaddy915 285 is still close enough to where he has been at 300 before. Couture's hands are great but it doesn't matter when your trading blows with someone 50lbs heavy than you. Lesnar throws harder because of his weight advantage and that is what beat Couture! Lol don't get me started on Mir.. Mir laid on his back. He did not even once try to establish full guard from half and its not that damn hard. I do it all the time against guy's heavier than me and with better wrestling skills
@colossuswright01 but normal guys who are heavier and have better wrestling skills.....arent brock lesnar. brock lesnar isnt just heavier then couture. brock lesnar is friggan huge and practically made of muscle lol and hes a division 1 champion wrestler. hes a freak of nature joe rogan says it all the time. i mean be real u cant say ANYTHING is easy against a guy like brock lesnar and even couture said brock wasnt as strong and big as he anticipated. so that throws that excuse out the window.
@slothdaddy915 its not an excuse its the truth. Mir did nothing!!! Watch the fight again and tell me did he even once try to work on bettering his position???? NO he didn't. What Eeks my chain more than anything, Mir is a guy that has trained with the best damn grapplers on earth "one of which is Eddie Bravo" and he made an ass out of himself by just laying there. I will also say again that Division 1 is no different than division 2 champ. Even Cale Sanderson has said that in his college days.
@colossuswright01 im talkin about the couture excuse. randy even said yea brock was very strong but not as big and strong as he had anticipated. so brock didnt OVERPOWER couture he just got caught. and i kno eddie bravo and i kno mir is one of the best bjj practitioners in the heavyweight world but HE COULDNT do anything. brock was laid flat on top of him in halfguard. kinda hard to move 285 pounds of muscle off u. and it is different division 1 has tougher competition point is he was champ
@slothdaddy915 He did Overpower couture... More weight = More weight behind strikes. Its a reason why there are weight classes. Mir could of done stuff if he would have pulled his head out of his ass. Watch it again and then say the same thing. MIR JUST GAVE UP. Arrrgh! and a Division 1 champ has the same skill set, move set, and everything else that a Division 2 champ has. This is apparent by just watching College wrestling. Watch anything from Iowa or Iowa state and you'll see.
@colossuswright01 ur right that IS y there are weightclasses...and couture was in the same weightclass. randy couture has been beating bigger guys his whole career in the heavyweight division. what makes brock any different besides him being the biggest? he still made it into the weightclass so technically they were on even playing fields. and either way couture being smaller hes still an amazing fighter. brock beat an amazing fighter who was in his weightclass. i just think u dont like brock.
@ralfmalf420 Listen hear you little son of a bitch, I was keeping everything civil. I have wrestled guys his size before with alot better of a wrestling pedigree as well. You need to go back to watching your little WWE programming. If you have nothing intelligent to contribute to a conversation then go lay back under your boyfriend Brock Lesnar. You are apparently not a Martial Artist. Just one on the stupid proffessional wrestling fans that think male oriented soap operas are cool.
@colossuswright01 ok first of all, i dont watch wwe or do i like it. I hate the fake shit. and you are full of shit when you say you wrestled guys with a better pedigree. he was a division 1 champ how much better do you have to be than that. and brock said it best when he said. guys say there stronger than me and faster. but they do not have talent like me. thats right you dumbass. every wrestler you played with does not have the talent like brock, and if they do they would be in the ufc.
@colossuswright01 and if your punk ass ever fought brock he would kill you. not knock you out of submit you but actually kill you. so shut the fuck up and quit acting bad. you aint shit. if you were anything you would be in a professional cage match. send me a video of you fighting. oh wait you dont have one cause your all talk. so fuck you
@colossuswright01 i have a hard time believing you have wrestling people more skilled and as big as brock... here are three examples of why you wouldn't say that if you really did 1. if you did you would also be world class wrestler and you would have respect for brock 2. you werent a world class wrester and just got your ass beat and then would have respect for all d1 wrestlers 3. you wrestled someone like brock and got brain damage from it and are now on youtube making stupid comments
@colossuswright01 i didnt get to elaborate much on my cain vs brock fight so ima do it here. i think carwin and cains fighting style are similar. they like to bang and are very good at it but if they have to take it to the ground they will. saying that i believe on the feet carwin is a lot more dangerous then cain. on the ground i think cain is better then carwin but i still think brock is better overall on the ground then both. i think if its tough on the feet brock takes it down and wins.
He tried to make a comeback and was beat by Randy Coture. At 205 Coleman just wasnt able to keep up and lets face the facts, going to heavyweight wouldnt be smart at all.
im impressed of coleman he wasnt acting cool,but he is not cool for many peolpe to meet in the ring.. but he was honest telling that brock is a machine etc
Coleman is a real cool and respectfull guy outside of the ring but in the cage/ring when he is in the zone he is a total asshole, so dont get caught as his next opponant, or ref!!
much earlier in his career he would have a chance against lesnar and it would be a good fight. he just isnt well rounded enough to handle brock like randy was doing earlier in the fight. brock has a similar style to coleman but hes much bigger, faster, has huge hands and a longer reach. lesnar is an incredibly gifted athlete.
Sorry bout that one dude, hope it doesnt keep you out for too long. But like i said striking takes more on your brain and ribs and stuff like that so that's why strikers don't last as long as grapplers.
Wrestling/grappling the hardest on your muscles to train because your working with both your own weight and your opponents, while standing and striking you only have to hold up your own weight. But you don't take the same punishment doing wrestling/grappling as you do when striking, espescially brain damage and espescially if competing at it. That's why guys that grappled 'til they were in their 30's, and then started doing mma, have lasted longer than those who started in striking or just mma.
Ground n' Pound is just basic fighting. Wrestlers are great at take downs so they take their opponents down and since they can't head butt since the early days, elbows and punches are all they could do.
The fact that Mark Coleman and Randy Couture can still compete at age 45 is incredible. Definately they are the last respectable fighters from their generation. Both foughtoff old age. Most MMA fighters retire in their mid 30's. There's a reason why Ruten, Ken Shamrock, Frye, Severn, Royce Gracie can no longer compete in the UFC. Age caught up with them. Wrestling is just as grueling at striking, beleive me.
@Vazcular Yeah, I think everyone was very suprised at the decision. Randy is going to destroy Mark Coleman though. I have nothing against Mark, but I really don't see him beating Randy......
Wrestling might be as grueling when you're doing it but you don't get the same damage to the body and especially brain from getting hit as you do when competing in competitions that allow strikes.
Well then you are the only one that has it that way, most people would say striking is hardest on the body (bones) but ofcourse if u think that wrestling is hardest then its ok by me but the majority think the other way.......
Wrestling is the best base to for MMA,no doubt about that. wrstling take downs, mixed with good G and P, combined with ground controland submission defense is the best base. There's a a reason why Brock Lesnar has walked through the HW division, mostly dueto his wrestling base. Also,wrestlersappear to be physically the strongest practitioners strength wise. Brock, Carwin, Cain
Lets see. Rampage Jackson, Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddel, Matt Hughes, Mark Coleman, GSP, Tito Ortiz, Dan Henderson, etc. How many people with wrestling backgrounds spank these BJJ guys. Look at Damian Maia, once punch to the face and he went down. I think his BJJ is great but next to a wrestler with submission he is gonna get killed.
i think it matters who u are and how u train there are also a lot of bjj fighters or non wrestinling base fighter like shogun rua anderson silva, wandelia silva, fedor emeiliko (one of the best of all time ), BJ penn, frank mir, bas rutten and ect. so i think it is who u r and how u use your skills andthere is a lot of wrestling guys that r bjj black belts that r makin there own jui justu and with all the new guards like the rubber guard that breaks you down
Also I must add that Coleman has faced much tougher opponents in his career, Noguira, Fedor, Crocop, Shogun. No disrespect to Bas, but he never faced as tough competition as Coleman did. At 44, Coleman held his own against Shogun, who I think is much better than Bas in MMA today. Don't get me wrong, but age catches up to every fighter. As of right now, the only 2 fighters from that age group who can still compete are Rand Couture and Mark Coleman.
Yep faced tougher opponents and lost to all of them. The win over Shogun was a non victory in which Coleman showed some of the most unsportng behaviour I have ever seen in MMA Second time round Shogun destroyed him as did every half decent opponent right back to Pete Williams.
The only people Coleman has been succesful against are people of limited skill and fitness. Anyone with any takedown defence and fitness makes Mark Coleman look stupid Coleman has never been able to perform past round 1.
He's never been the world's best, but he basically invented G&P, proving that wrestlers have their place in MMA.
And he looked great in his last fight. He went 3 rounds with Bonnar and didn't tank. Factor in that was his first time training at a serious camp (Xtreme Couture) and he could improve at age 44.
And the 2nd Shogun fight sucked! Shogun tanked too and wouldn't have finished Coleman. With 30 sec left in a fight that Coleman could've won on the cards, that was a premature stoppage.
Coleman was not winning the 2nd Shogun bout, I agree they Shogun gassed too in the 3rd round but Coleman looked like he did in the Pete Williams fight, ready to go at any minute. I would also agree that with 30 seconds to go the ref could have let it go but then if there had been a minute to go then Coleman would have got hurt. Even if Shogun was gassed he still almost K'Od Coleman with an uppercut at the end of the fight, watch it again Colemans eyes go like slot machine reels, fight over.
I suppose he was getting hurt, but he only fell on his hands and knees. And you could see Shogun wasn't going to pounce, and it wasn't because he thought Coleman was already out. It was because he was dead tired. The bout definitely should've gone at least 5 more seconds so we could see how both fighters would behave after Coleman dropped. I still think Coleman could've gone for a takedown from there by using what was left of his energy. And he had Shogun's back for much of R3. He could've won.
Today Coleman will be able tobeat every fighter from his generation except Randy Couture. Trust me, Bas would get destroyed by everyone in LHW in the UFC. He's been out of the game for long time and age has caught up to him. Evenin his early days had trouble with wrestlers. Ken Shamrock twice beat him, and Coleman is a far superior wrestler than Ken Shamrock. I can see Coleman holding Bas down the same way he did to Bonner. Bas isn't the greatest on the ground.
when a person tells me that a person is a better wrestler as it relates to MMA...i take that for a grain of salt. why? MMA isn't wrestling. clearly BJJ is def more applicaple.
BAS is a damn master on the ground. the fighter can has attacked an oppenent from the crown to the toe. NO other current MMA fighter is as skilled. and if you haven't noticed, partner...90% belt holders are strikers. not many will survive Bas' leg kicks! NO!
There's a reason why Bas Ruten no longer competes, age has caught up with him. Not every fighter can still hold their own at age 44. If Bas and Colman fought 10 years ago, then Bas would have on. But today, I think Mark Coleman would get the better of him. For his age Coleman is very strong, and to be able to control Bonner is a big thing. I'm sure injuries have taken their toll on Bas, that why he can't compete, same with Ken Shamrock, and most fighters from that generation.
striking style is much more harder on body than grappling style, striking is bone vs bone where as grappling is muscle vs muscle thats why you see grapplers over 40 years old still competing and not strikers cuz there body just can not hold to it,
dont get me wrong grapplers get some time seriously injuries too but styels like kick boxing, muay thai and kyokushin are much more harder on body than BJJ, wrestling and judo......
If you think wrestling has no application your on crack friend. When I was stationed in Japan I started learning traditional jiu jitsu and these BJJ guys from California talking shit were wrecked when I slapped wrestling moves on them. BJJ has weak take downs, and many of those guys are not that good at control. They are too busy looking for submissions rather then controlling their opponent then getting a submission. Wrestling has already proved itself for years in MMA.
answer one question...out of all belts held by major orgs..how many of those are held by a fighter that is like mark coleman...you know, wrestler at base.
wrestling has proved that it provides a fighter with ground control, but also can not finish (many not all). so you're saying the worlds top wrestler could beat um...NOG in mma?
your right most BJJ dudes are average...but you're telling me that you're going to make someone tap with wrestling?
Coleman is still impressive for his age. After Randy Couture, I'd rank Coleman number 2 from fighters around age 45. I think today, Coleman would beat Don Frye, Bas Ruten, Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Royce Gracie, Pat Smith. I'd easily rank him #2 from fighters that are in his age group, second only to the legendary Randy Couture.
Very well said, I agree with every word, coming from a man whos seen every single UFC and Pride to date. Colemans age factor also contributes to his class, just like Randy. BTW that would be a good fight.
But dude, him beating bas rutten? Bas has a way more impressive record!
Ok, he stopped fighting a while ago. but get serious. If Bas is given the time to get back in shape he would crush coleman. He is technically (on the ground AND standup) a far better fighter than coleman.
Have you seen the kicks of bas? that like an army truck driving at your leg at 80 mph.
Hes reasonable enough to understand his limitations and implications of even thinking of testing the HW division! Coward? nope thats just the difference between fantasizing and actuality.
Saying that UFC has more talent is quite ignorant. Everyone that has joined UFC has come from Pride, K-1, and Rings... All those talented fighters came from other MMA organizations before UFC became popular.
only the best fighters from different orginizations.champs and veterans.not just some geeks off the street.thats why ufc is the leading most antisepated fight group.cause they have former champs vs champs or veterans. only the best in the world
dude HW division is 205-265 and brock lesnar is using fighters' stupidity against them..HW division should be for fighters who are around 280-300 lb after weigh-in cus those HW's who walk around 205-220(230 maybe) are stupid..they should all drop down to 205 and fight in LHW..as other option they could make another division and cut HW from 205-225(230) and make super HW 230-265 but that is hardly possible if not impossible..it might be fun but then there'd be to few fighters in SHW so fk it.. :P
Well the whole point is most fighters don't get up past 230 lbs. Lesnar has a weight advantage over just about everybody. That said I still think Fedor would beat him.
ofcourse fedor will kick his ass but i was just saying what i think..the HW division is 205-265 and not 205-230 so fighters should get used to it..and it aint all about being so heavy, brock is also much bigger then some HW's that walk around 220lb..i mean height not muscles etc..
why should fedor quit?? he isnt past his prime.. and no offence but he should wait till he starts losing... considering the ONLY loss he has was a minor technicality of the specific rules for the tournament he was in... fedor has many years of fighting left youll see
Brock will not be a true champion until he starts defending his title, having exciting fights, and not acting like a complete roidnut with a bad attitude.
Guys stop calling Fedor #1. Whats the #1 MMA organization in the world? UFC. Has Fedor held the UFC Heavyweight title? No. Brocks holding it, so hes #1. Hes not the best P4P fighter in the world, because the top P4P is meant to be someone other than a Heavyweight. Anderson Silva or Georges St. Pierre are the best P4P fighters in the world.
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dude statistics dont mean anything when one is bullshit (Brock) and one is is one of the lower on the popularity means that skills speaking the best in the world is Anderson 'Spider' Silva or Lyoto Machida. Fedor fought in the UFC once and got his ass handed to him did you see that fight?
anyway Fedor is ONLY undefeated in PRIDE but UFC is bigger and way more talent in there also heavyweight bouts are boring cause they are so slow just my opinions so dont try to convice me otherwise
just cuzz ufc is the biggest doesnt mean squat... fedor for the most part has never lost a fight... 2nd off he is 30-1 brock is 4-1 so yes statisticly speaking fedor is #1
Fedor isn't the hardest hitter. Though he is fast, but there are faster. Lesnar is the hardest hitter without a doubt, the fastest in takedown ability and footwork, and the best wrestler (tied with couture IMO). I think Fedor would lose to Lesnar in the second round. IF Fedor does come to the UFC, it'll first be Fedor vs Couture, and the winner faces Brock. Couture deserves another shot because he actually was giving Brock a lot of trouble in the first round of their bout.
In regards to Fedor's weight, he is fighting at his natural weight. Fedor looks chunky in comparison to other MMA competitors because many fighters cut weight before a bout to the point of dehydration, which makes them look shredded. Take Rumble Johnson for example, he drops 30 pounds for every bout. As for the fighters, Coleman doesn't have much of a chance against Brock anyway. Realistically, a fight between Fedor and Brock could go either way, and would be awesome to see.
Fedor's skill is superior but will struggler with Lesnar. Brock cuts to 265- solid muscle. He is also quick thanks to his wrestling years. Fedor hasn't faced anyone like brock. Sure some bigger guys but not as athletic as Brock.
those of you who think Fedor is slower because he's pudgy , well... he's got the natural speed and strength. He maintains it by not building heavier muscles which will slow down his overall speed. He's probably faster than any heavyweight out there.
C'mon.. are you really giving Fedor advice on how he should work on his cardio??? puhahahha...
true. but in a way they're trying to level the playing field as well. i agree with you about p4p...its something we'll never know. in a way its the weight classes that cause the argument to be useless.
you're right, size is an important factor, and that's exactly why they now have weight classes...a good big guy will beat a good little guy every time pretty much. take someone the size of nate diaz, no way he could beat brock lesnar. extreme example but its the truth. size matters.
i agree, even technique will only get you so far. thats the bad thing about the heavyweight division. if you fight at a lower weight class, there is a limit to how big your opponent will be, not in heavyweights though
haha he said he would drop down 2 205??? hahaha he has a better chance at winning a belt in the heavy wieght division he would get demolished in 205..
he actually did drop down to 205, he just beat stephan bonnar on the undercard for ufc 100. im sure he came in the ring at 230, but he somehow weighed in at light heavy.
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you sound so stupid gsp is the best pound for pound fighter in the world considering fedor isn't even the best in his weight class brock would woop his fat ass
Fedor is ranked no.1 in the world. I like Brock Lesnar-- but you have no argument. How do you rank best pound for pound? I want you to think about that REAL hard for a minute and then try again.
As soon as you put the name "Fedor" and the words " isn`t the best" your comment stopped making sense,and thats not just my opinion,its the opiniof of 99 % of people with brain.......
uhmm gsp is the best p4p but how many weight classes has he won the belt in 1 how many times has he beat a top 10 fighter in more than one weight 000000000000000000000
stupid fuck you dont know shit keep that cocksucker of your shut
wow lol if coleman is not going to fight lesnar then wtf! theres theres not that much heavy weights in ufc all of the heavy weight fighter are in affliction.
piece of shit will prolly throw this fight too. dispicable worthless loser. go get kicked in your stupid empty head and face again. do what you do best. LOSE. lose streak artist.
Brock should drop down to 155 pounds
speedcorematik 10 months ago
@speedcorematik maybe if he lost both his arms and legs,he could make 155 lol
tapoutish 10 months ago
Pussy!
jasonatme 11 months ago
lol coleman is scared of ufc fighters in heavyweight.
ty99999returns 1 year ago
he was 280 and cut down to 265 duh!!!!!!!!!
robertwbarnes19940 1 year ago
@thebigbad47 didnt u know eveybody on here could beat brock lesnar even the fat out of shape kids who cant walk up a flight of stair without oxygen mask lol get over it brocks the champ for a reason
bob2012isfake 1 year ago
Where's colossuswright01? I see him spouting and touting himself, then he closes his account?
Oh yes! That's right he had to close it due to the fact that Dana White called him up as a future hopeful to slam Brock Lesnar's face through the earth so Australians in Perth can enjoy him as well.
Loud-mouths like him can't back anything up, so they come here to spawn their own pathological narcissism. Did I mention I could shatter Lesnar's spine with one kick to his solar plexus? It's true I swear.
TheBigBad47 1 year ago
@TheBigBad47 i would kick ur ass, its true, i could lift an elephant over my head with my dick, and out wrestle a polar bear
Butterdean 1 year ago
i think brock should cut down to 185 and fight anderson the spider silva or maybe 170 and fight gsp. that would be awesome. shoot who knows once brock gets down to 170 he could go to 155 and fight bj penn. the skys the limit for this guy. but then i dont even think the sky is the limit for him, i think he could use his freaky athletic ability and get past the athmosphere and float off into space. he is a warrior.
ralfmalf420 1 year ago
@ralfmalf420 Are you on crack? dude Brock would never even be able to do 205 let alone 170.
Purepwns3234 1 year ago
@Purepwns3234 In order to make it even close he'd have to do crack . . . for about 5 years . . . and never eat
inaccurateaxes 1 year ago
There is one way that Coleman could win. Wait for the perfect moments, and counter. Don't let it go to the ground. Sprawl all takedowns(if that's possible), and try and put in a guillintine choke in. I give Coleman a 3/10 chance to beat Brock. Though Mark in his prime would kill brock.
MyComedy2k 1 year ago
@MyComedy2k I don't know that a prime coleman would kill Brock. But he would definitely have a better shot than a lot of other guys because of the weight difference. Back then Coleman was like 255 pounds and all roided up, so the strength of Brock wouldn't have been so overbearing. But Coleman now, off the juice, is lucky to be 230 and would be smashed by Lesnar.
JASM4collection 1 year ago
@JASM4collection Maybe. But I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MARK CAN MAKE A FUNNYA** COMERCIAL WITH WANDERLEI BETTER THAN BROCK CAN. lmao
MyComedy2k 1 year ago
@MyComedy2k very true. lol
JASM4collection 1 year ago
@MyComedy2k he would still get owned if he was in his prime,brocks way bigger,heavier,stronger then coleman when he was in his prime
Warrior25Wolf 1 year ago
@Warrior25Wolf No, you read my comment wrong. I said he'd have a better CHANCE of winning. I agree he'd lose to Brock in a fight nowadays. BUT if Brock was like the guys back then and wanted to just KO someone and had no strategy, he'd get flat-lined by Mark.
MyComedy2k 1 year ago
@MyComedy2k maybe but brock is a pretty fuckin strong guy,regardless...
Warrior25Wolf 1 year ago
@Warrior25Wolf Oh God yeah, he's pretty damn strong. I think the Velasquez fight was his wakeup call to tell him that he still has to fight. He is one beast of a fighter and he's a tough S.O.B without a shadow of a doubt.
MyComedy2k 1 year ago
@MyComedy2k yeah true! he's a crazy athlete for his size and im sure he'll get better and better,everyone can tell that he's a quick learner,only having like 4 wins and champion.I still think he could be the best if he gets WAY better boxing,thats probably the main thing he's gonna be working on.But we know he can take a punch but ya he needs to learn how to take one on the feet.
Warrior25Wolf 1 year ago
prime coleman versus brock would have been good.
Carlinism 1 year ago
Cant fucking believe these crappy excuses about Carwins lost are still running
dany9169 1 year ago
Fedor would still ko Brock....
SkywarpMach7 1 year ago
coleman would be the only fighter in the ufc that could ground n pound lesnar
stugats77 1 year ago
@stugats77 your crazy dude
focusizhere 1 year ago
Mark Coleman back in the day would KILL Brock Lesnar
sisudo21 1 year ago 2
@sisudo21 omfg.
Tertzzi 1 year ago
@sisudo21 yea ur nuts.....i still dont see y mark coleman is even in the hall of fame. i mean yea he pretty much was the founding father of ground n pound but other then that hes a bum. he hasnt beat anyone really of importance. every fight he faught sum1 with skill he got his ass handed to him. his record isnt that great....just dont think he is a good fighter period.
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
Ok lesnar sucks plain and simple! He won one damn match and got a title shot... He is 3-1 and I guarantee Carwin beats the hell out of him. Carwin is a better striker and wrestler.
colossuswright 1 year ago
@colossuswright buddy.. say the same shit on July 4th and If Carwin beats Lesnar.. I will pay you $100... I promise..
brockufc100 1 year ago
@colossuswright Brock will win this dude
Tertzzi 1 year ago
@colossuswright ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? CARWIN IS A BETTER WRESTLER? HAHAHAHA
Carwin was a division two champ/
Lesnar is a division ONE champ.
metalhead1118 1 year ago
Division 1 and Division 2 is like comparing a Black belt with a Brown belt. There is no damn difference in terms of skill. I've seen state wrestling champs get beat by a ranked 24th wrestler. Watch some of Carwins wrestling matches and then watch some of Brocks...No comparison of who's better skilled! All Carwin. He is going to win.
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 how wrong were u lmao
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
@slothdaddy915 I'll admit im wrong, Lesnar won.....Kind of funny though he got his ass kicked in the first round. Its also funny because most times a ref would have stopped the fight from the beating that Brock took while he was against the cage. Carwin ran out of steem and I gave him too much credit. Lesnar can not take a punch and you all know it, he froze like a pop-sicle was jammed in his ass. Even the critics thought the fight should have been stopped when Lesnar was getting his ass beat.
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 i had lesnar winning this and im not being bias when i say this....the ref did a good job. every time brock was asked if he wanted out he moved around. he defended most of the shots carwin threw at him. yes some got through but he defended most and kicked carwin away when he needed to. he cant take a punch? was he knocked out after the punches carwin threw landed? no0o i think he can take a HARD ASS PUNCH if u ask me. if he was THAT hurt he wouldnt have come back and won.
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
@slothdaddy915 He was hurt, he had his arms up trying to protect his face and wasn't answering with anything. The 265lb bloody mess in the corner of the first round wasn't my imagination. Fights have been called for a hell of alot less then the beating Lesnar took in the first round. Lesnar won I'll admit, but guy is not a legitimate Champion though. Who else in the UFC has ever had a 1-1 record and gotten a title shot??? Lesnar is Dana White's side show attraction. Nothing more.
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 first off he was 2-1 just 1-1 in the ufc. yes his name helped but he won the belt. and not a legit champ? he beat randy friggan couture for the title knocked him out actually, finished what he started in the first meeting wit mir and knocked mir out, and just survived the first round and submitted shane friggan carwin...how much more legit can u get. he WAS hurt...but ur acting like guys werent hurt in fights before and won the fight. he was answering back he kicked him away...
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
@slothdaddy915 This is kind of funny neither of us is going to sway from our own opinions so how do you think Lesnar is going to fair against Cain Velasquez?
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 look at gsp's face after the first round in his first fight with bj penn. brock lesnar answered every time the ref said he needed to do something. multiple times he pushed carwin off of him during the onslaught. just carwin kept coming back but brock DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO TO STAY IN THE FIGHT. the ref made a very good decision in keeping the fight on. if brock wasnt a legit champ and didnt deserve the belt then y does he still have it. y did he win it and defend it twice?
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
@slothdaddy915 Ok.. The guy has too cut weight from 300lbs, he is a gigantic heavyweight. He beat Randy Couture by nothing more than having 50lbs on him. Thats a hell of alot of extra weight to put behind a punch. Couture has never been a huge heavyweight to begin with ranging usually around 215lbs. Couture lost because of a huge weight disadvantage. I will give you the fact fact that in their second fight Mir laid on his back like a prostitute and was a joke to all BJJ practioneers.
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 he cuts from 285. and ur really downplaying brocks skills man. saying randy couture lost cuz he was too small and thats the only reason and mir lost cuz he just laid there. couture has better hands then brock and brock dropped couture and pounded him out plain and simple and brock kept mir on his back he didnt just lay there he couldnt get out. it was brocks doing not mirs. and i like the fight i think it might be like carwin vs brock just not as hard for brock. brock wins in 2
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
@slothdaddy915 285 is still close enough to where he has been at 300 before. Couture's hands are great but it doesn't matter when your trading blows with someone 50lbs heavy than you. Lesnar throws harder because of his weight advantage and that is what beat Couture! Lol don't get me started on Mir.. Mir laid on his back. He did not even once try to establish full guard from half and its not that damn hard. I do it all the time against guy's heavier than me and with better wrestling skills
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 but normal guys who are heavier and have better wrestling skills.....arent brock lesnar. brock lesnar isnt just heavier then couture. brock lesnar is friggan huge and practically made of muscle lol and hes a division 1 champion wrestler. hes a freak of nature joe rogan says it all the time. i mean be real u cant say ANYTHING is easy against a guy like brock lesnar and even couture said brock wasnt as strong and big as he anticipated. so that throws that excuse out the window.
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
@slothdaddy915 its not an excuse its the truth. Mir did nothing!!! Watch the fight again and tell me did he even once try to work on bettering his position???? NO he didn't. What Eeks my chain more than anything, Mir is a guy that has trained with the best damn grapplers on earth "one of which is Eddie Bravo" and he made an ass out of himself by just laying there. I will also say again that Division 1 is no different than division 2 champ. Even Cale Sanderson has said that in his college days.
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 im talkin about the couture excuse. randy even said yea brock was very strong but not as big and strong as he had anticipated. so brock didnt OVERPOWER couture he just got caught. and i kno eddie bravo and i kno mir is one of the best bjj practitioners in the heavyweight world but HE COULDNT do anything. brock was laid flat on top of him in halfguard. kinda hard to move 285 pounds of muscle off u. and it is different division 1 has tougher competition point is he was champ
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
@slothdaddy915 He did Overpower couture... More weight = More weight behind strikes. Its a reason why there are weight classes. Mir could of done stuff if he would have pulled his head out of his ass. Watch it again and then say the same thing. MIR JUST GAVE UP. Arrrgh! and a Division 1 champ has the same skill set, move set, and everything else that a Division 2 champ has. This is apparent by just watching College wrestling. Watch anything from Iowa or Iowa state and you'll see.
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 ur right that IS y there are weightclasses...and couture was in the same weightclass. randy couture has been beating bigger guys his whole career in the heavyweight division. what makes brock any different besides him being the biggest? he still made it into the weightclass so technically they were on even playing fields. and either way couture being smaller hes still an amazing fighter. brock beat an amazing fighter who was in his weightclass. i just think u dont like brock.
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 yeah but you cant do it against a monster like brock so shut up. the queers you wrestle with are midgets compared to him.
ralfmalf420 1 year ago
@ralfmalf420 Listen hear you little son of a bitch, I was keeping everything civil. I have wrestled guys his size before with alot better of a wrestling pedigree as well. You need to go back to watching your little WWE programming. If you have nothing intelligent to contribute to a conversation then go lay back under your boyfriend Brock Lesnar. You are apparently not a Martial Artist. Just one on the stupid proffessional wrestling fans that think male oriented soap operas are cool.
colossuswright01 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 ok first of all, i dont watch wwe or do i like it. I hate the fake shit. and you are full of shit when you say you wrestled guys with a better pedigree. he was a division 1 champ how much better do you have to be than that. and brock said it best when he said. guys say there stronger than me and faster. but they do not have talent like me. thats right you dumbass. every wrestler you played with does not have the talent like brock, and if they do they would be in the ufc.
ralfmalf420 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 and if your punk ass ever fought brock he would kill you. not knock you out of submit you but actually kill you. so shut the fuck up and quit acting bad. you aint shit. if you were anything you would be in a professional cage match. send me a video of you fighting. oh wait you dont have one cause your all talk. so fuck you
ralfmalf420 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 i have a hard time believing you have wrestling people more skilled and as big as brock... here are three examples of why you wouldn't say that if you really did 1. if you did you would also be world class wrestler and you would have respect for brock 2. you werent a world class wrester and just got your ass beat and then would have respect for all d1 wrestlers 3. you wrestled someone like brock and got brain damage from it and are now on youtube making stupid comments
focusizhere 1 year ago
@colossuswright01 i didnt get to elaborate much on my cain vs brock fight so ima do it here. i think carwin and cains fighting style are similar. they like to bang and are very good at it but if they have to take it to the ground they will. saying that i believe on the feet carwin is a lot more dangerous then cain. on the ground i think cain is better then carwin but i still think brock is better overall on the ground then both. i think if its tough on the feet brock takes it down and wins.
slothdaddy915 1 year ago
Brock should drop down to 185 and fight Anderson. that would be awesome to see a skinny ass Brock lesnar!
jwang604 1 year ago
Keep on fightin Coleman!! GOOD LUCK!
acarch 1 year ago
lol Got to love honest fighters like Coleman and Griffin.
gkdrummerboy 1 year ago 4
@gkdrummerboy yea i really like the wanderlei interview on Fedor. The interviewer was like would you beat Fedor? Wanderlei's like no
The interviewer asks would you like to fight Fedor ? ande wanderlei's like no
HEYIMATANK 1 year ago
smart man
thetschieman 1 year ago
He tried to make a comeback and was beat by Randy Coture. At 205 Coleman just wasnt able to keep up and lets face the facts, going to heavyweight wouldnt be smart at all.
papajdizzzle 1 year ago 2
I'd like to see Lesnar drop to 205 and fight Coleman.
That would be a WAR!
Can you imagine two 205 pounders like Colemand and Lesnar duking it out?
That would be killer and fun to watch.
I don't do MMA because I'm scared of breaking some toes or getting my eye punched out. I don't want my nose broken.
Who wants busted ribs?
Sure, I'd like to be rough and tough, but I don't want brain damage. I'd end up cooking food for a living or being a waiter of something.
No, I'll just watch.
JoeJacari 1 year ago
@JoeJacari r u fuckin retarded u think theres a chance that brock cud ever cut down to 205, ur joking right
HEYIMATANK 1 year ago 24
@HEYIMATANK lol..maybe if he like cut off one of his legs cuz one of those thing must way 50 pounds
Purepwns3234 1 year ago
@HEYIMATANK Forget 205. Lesnor has never actually weighed 265! Fixed!
klimacs 8 months ago
dude Brock cuts 30 pounds to make 265! He is 290 the night of the fight
valdostastate77 1 year ago 5
brock at 205, wtf have u seen his size
KingMEXxxx 1 year ago
im impressed of coleman he wasnt acting cool,but he is not cool for many peolpe to meet in the ring.. but he was honest telling that brock is a machine etc
111thomas111 2 years ago
I'd love to see Coleman vs Lesnar. Old aggression vs new.
11Bomber29 2 years ago
Mark Coleman will beat Randy's ass! he is no paper weight!
oldirty818 2 years ago
Coleman is a real cool and respectfull guy outside of the ring but in the cage/ring when he is in the zone he is a total asshole, so dont get caught as his next opponant, or ref!!
TKO2121 2 years ago 3
much earlier in his career he would have a chance against lesnar and it would be a good fight. he just isnt well rounded enough to handle brock like randy was doing earlier in the fight. brock has a similar style to coleman but hes much bigger, faster, has huge hands and a longer reach. lesnar is an incredibly gifted athlete.
WorldTravelerMan 2 years ago
You've got to give Coleman credit, but he's definately be crushed by Brock.
MrSalamander7 2 years ago 23
brock would have mauled this old fucker to death
UFCBrockLesnar1 2 years ago 2
Sorry bout that one dude, hope it doesnt keep you out for too long. But like i said striking takes more on your brain and ribs and stuff like that so that's why strikers don't last as long as grapplers.
innibinni92 2 years ago
Wrestling/grappling the hardest on your muscles to train because your working with both your own weight and your opponents, while standing and striking you only have to hold up your own weight. But you don't take the same punishment doing wrestling/grappling as you do when striking, espescially brain damage and espescially if competing at it. That's why guys that grappled 'til they were in their 30's, and then started doing mma, have lasted longer than those who started in striking or just mma.
innibinni92 2 years ago
A true legend and innovator(ground and pound) Brock Lesner and all wrestlers in MMA owe their careers to Coleman!
ramrod20042000 2 years ago
Ground n' Pound is just basic fighting. Wrestlers are great at take downs so they take their opponents down and since they can't head butt since the early days, elbows and punches are all they could do.
Vazcular 2 years ago
The fact that Mark Coleman and Randy Couture can still compete at age 45 is incredible. Definately they are the last respectable fighters from their generation. Both foughtoff old age. Most MMA fighters retire in their mid 30's. There's a reason why Ruten, Ken Shamrock, Frye, Severn, Royce Gracie can no longer compete in the UFC. Age caught up with them. Wrestling is just as grueling at striking, beleive me.
Uppercut416 2 years ago
@Uppercut416 Yeah, and Randy didn't really START fighting until he was in his mid 30's. I don't care if he loses every fight, he's the man.
JackPantz 2 years ago
I like him a lot as well. He is a very respectful and nice guy. But Vera beat him plain and simple.
Vazcular 2 years ago
@Vazcular Yeah, I think everyone was very suprised at the decision. Randy is going to destroy Mark Coleman though. I have nothing against Mark, but I really don't see him beating Randy......
JackPantz 2 years ago
Wrestling might be as grueling when you're doing it but you don't get the same damage to the body and especially brain from getting hit as you do when competing in competitions that allow strikes.
innibinni92 2 years ago
Well then you are the only one that has it that way, most people would say striking is hardest on the body (bones) but ofcourse if u think that wrestling is hardest then its ok by me but the majority think the other way.......
munk25 2 years ago
brainwashed UFC fanboys no idea about nothing.
dietermauer 2 years ago
So i ask again, who has fought the best of the best if not Wanderlei and Fedor?
dietermauer 2 years ago
mark knows that brock would ko him in about 20 seconds
chaosinesco 2 years ago
Sry but if there are any fighters who fought the best of the best, than it would be Fedor and Wanderlei.
dietermauer 2 years ago
Wrestling is the best base to for MMA,no doubt about that. wrstling take downs, mixed with good G and P, combined with ground controland submission defense is the best base. There's a a reason why Brock Lesnar has walked through the HW division, mostly dueto his wrestling base. Also,wrestlersappear to be physically the strongest practitioners strength wise. Brock, Carwin, Cain
Uppercut416 2 years ago
Once MMA did away with headbutts, they took out a big weapon from Wrestlers like Coleman, Kerr and the rest
They still find ways to win though
StSimonOfTrent 2 years ago
Lets see. Rampage Jackson, Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddel, Matt Hughes, Mark Coleman, GSP, Tito Ortiz, Dan Henderson, etc. How many people with wrestling backgrounds spank these BJJ guys. Look at Damian Maia, once punch to the face and he went down. I think his BJJ is great but next to a wrestler with submission he is gonna get killed.
Warpath2198 2 years ago
i think it matters who u are and how u train there are also a lot of bjj fighters or non wrestinling base fighter like shogun rua anderson silva, wandelia silva, fedor emeiliko (one of the best of all time ), BJ penn, frank mir, bas rutten and ect. so i think it is who u r and how u use your skills andthere is a lot of wrestling guys that r bjj black belts that r makin there own jui justu and with all the new guards like the rubber guard that breaks you down
mmagamer4life 2 years ago
Mark Coleman look like Van Diesel
rulyraul 2 years ago
He knows, dont fuck with brock!
kastro696989 2 years ago
he is old enough to be his father
paulanka2000 2 years ago 2
damn ashton kutcher shouldve popped out behind some bushes cz this old sunuvabitch got PUNKED the fuck out.
MrPimpsmakk 2 years ago
man...i don't favor mark...but why would you back down on camera.
damn, mark!
doctorsizzle 2 years ago
bealtiful nocaute ,shogun win.
andersonkimo 2 years ago
Also I must add that Coleman has faced much tougher opponents in his career, Noguira, Fedor, Crocop, Shogun. No disrespect to Bas, but he never faced as tough competition as Coleman did. At 44, Coleman held his own against Shogun, who I think is much better than Bas in MMA today. Don't get me wrong, but age catches up to every fighter. As of right now, the only 2 fighters from that age group who can still compete are Rand Couture and Mark Coleman.
Uppercut416 2 years ago
Yep faced tougher opponents and lost to all of them. The win over Shogun was a non victory in which Coleman showed some of the most unsportng behaviour I have ever seen in MMA Second time round Shogun destroyed him as did every half decent opponent right back to Pete Williams.
The only people Coleman has been succesful against are people of limited skill and fitness. Anyone with any takedown defence and fitness makes Mark Coleman look stupid Coleman has never been able to perform past round 1.
NoDiggity1976 2 years ago
He's never been the world's best, but he basically invented G&P, proving that wrestlers have their place in MMA.
And he looked great in his last fight. He went 3 rounds with Bonnar and didn't tank. Factor in that was his first time training at a serious camp (Xtreme Couture) and he could improve at age 44.
And the 2nd Shogun fight sucked! Shogun tanked too and wouldn't have finished Coleman. With 30 sec left in a fight that Coleman could've won on the cards, that was a premature stoppage.
DirtcruncherUFC 2 years ago
Coleman was not winning the 2nd Shogun bout, I agree they Shogun gassed too in the 3rd round but Coleman looked like he did in the Pete Williams fight, ready to go at any minute. I would also agree that with 30 seconds to go the ref could have let it go but then if there had been a minute to go then Coleman would have got hurt. Even if Shogun was gassed he still almost K'Od Coleman with an uppercut at the end of the fight, watch it again Colemans eyes go like slot machine reels, fight over.
NoDiggity1976 2 years ago
I suppose he was getting hurt, but he only fell on his hands and knees. And you could see Shogun wasn't going to pounce, and it wasn't because he thought Coleman was already out. It was because he was dead tired. The bout definitely should've gone at least 5 more seconds so we could see how both fighters would behave after Coleman dropped. I still think Coleman could've gone for a takedown from there by using what was left of his energy. And he had Shogun's back for much of R3. He could've won.
DirtcruncherUFC 2 years ago
Today Coleman will be able tobeat every fighter from his generation except Randy Couture. Trust me, Bas would get destroyed by everyone in LHW in the UFC. He's been out of the game for long time and age has caught up to him. Evenin his early days had trouble with wrestlers. Ken Shamrock twice beat him, and Coleman is a far superior wrestler than Ken Shamrock. I can see Coleman holding Bas down the same way he did to Bonner. Bas isn't the greatest on the ground.
Uppercut416 2 years ago
whoa hold on....here
you make some points...
when a person tells me that a person is a better wrestler as it relates to MMA...i take that for a grain of salt. why? MMA isn't wrestling. clearly BJJ is def more applicaple.
BAS is a damn master on the ground. the fighter can has attacked an oppenent from the crown to the toe. NO other current MMA fighter is as skilled. and if you haven't noticed, partner...90% belt holders are strikers. not many will survive Bas' leg kicks! NO!
doctorsizzle 2 years ago
There's a reason why Bas Ruten no longer competes, age has caught up with him. Not every fighter can still hold their own at age 44. If Bas and Colman fought 10 years ago, then Bas would have on. But today, I think Mark Coleman would get the better of him. For his age Coleman is very strong, and to be able to control Bonner is a big thing. I'm sure injuries have taken their toll on Bas, that why he can't compete, same with Ken Shamrock, and most fighters from that generation.
Uppercut416 2 years ago
striking style is much more harder on body than grappling style, striking is bone vs bone where as grappling is muscle vs muscle thats why you see grapplers over 40 years old still competing and not strikers cuz there body just can not hold to it,
dont get me wrong grapplers get some time seriously injuries too but styels like kick boxing, muay thai and kyokushin are much more harder on body than BJJ, wrestling and judo......
munk25 2 years ago
If you think wrestling has no application your on crack friend. When I was stationed in Japan I started learning traditional jiu jitsu and these BJJ guys from California talking shit were wrecked when I slapped wrestling moves on them. BJJ has weak take downs, and many of those guys are not that good at control. They are too busy looking for submissions rather then controlling their opponent then getting a submission. Wrestling has already proved itself for years in MMA.
Warpath2198 2 years ago
hello, thanks for the reply...
answer one question...out of all belts held by major orgs..how many of those are held by a fighter that is like mark coleman...you know, wrestler at base.
wrestling has proved that it provides a fighter with ground control, but also can not finish (many not all). so you're saying the worlds top wrestler could beat um...NOG in mma?
your right most BJJ dudes are average...but you're telling me that you're going to make someone tap with wrestling?
doctorsizzle 2 years ago
Just like BJJ has proved itself for years in mma
dietermauer 2 years ago
hes never lost.... so whats your point
Vinniemoore89 2 years ago
Coleman is still impressive for his age. After Randy Couture, I'd rank Coleman number 2 from fighters around age 45. I think today, Coleman would beat Don Frye, Bas Ruten, Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Royce Gracie, Pat Smith. I'd easily rank him #2 from fighters that are in his age group, second only to the legendary Randy Couture.
Uppercut416 2 years ago
Very well said, I agree with every word, coming from a man whos seen every single UFC and Pride to date. Colemans age factor also contributes to his class, just like Randy. BTW that would be a good fight.
db2012 2 years ago
it sure would, there both fighting at 205, maybe it would happen?? Randy Vs Coleman battle of the OAF's
speedfreak18ish 2 years ago
I agree with almost everything you say.
But dude, him beating bas rutten? Bas has a way more impressive record!
Ok, he stopped fighting a while ago. but get serious. If Bas is given the time to get back in shape he would crush coleman. He is technically (on the ground AND standup) a far better fighter than coleman.
Have you seen the kicks of bas? that like an army truck driving at your leg at 80 mph.
kobeke88 2 years ago
Hes reasonable enough to understand his limitations and implications of even thinking of testing the HW division! Coward? nope thats just the difference between fantasizing and actuality.
pissballs 2 years ago
Saying that UFC has more talent is quite ignorant. Everyone that has joined UFC has come from Pride, K-1, and Rings... All those talented fighters came from other MMA organizations before UFC became popular.
SturmWolfe 2 years ago 3
thats what they want.
only the best fighters from different orginizations.champs and veterans.not just some geeks off the street.thats why ufc is the leading most antisepated fight group.cause they have former champs vs champs or veterans. only the best in the world
kyrierauwhero 2 years ago
Yeah, but people make it out to sound like the UFC made MMA.... They didn't make MMA, the FIGHTERS made MMA and the UFC what it is today.
Don't tell me that the UFC will have the best fighters, when there are still the best in the world still not in the UFC. One of them being Fedor.
SturmWolfe 2 years ago 3
i hate lesnar, but coleman would get his fucking ass kicked!
steryle1 2 years ago 2
Coleman makes a good point about dropping to 205;Lesnar's advantage is his 'roid size - he's at least 50lb heavier
than all his competitors - he's really a super-heavyweight....
parannoyance 2 years ago 4
lesnar takes roid 10 times a day up the anal passage inserted by none other Dana white,
SpirtualSuzie 2 years ago 5
LFMAO!! so true..
kallebaah0 2 years ago
I don't even get why the UFC puts Lesnar in the HW class.
Seriously, he's like a 300 pounder, he packs on the pounds after every weigh-in.
They should make a new division just for the freakshow types like him.
There's no point putting him up against guys who he outweighs by 50 pounds or more.
It's fairly obvious he's just going to dominate them.
The UFC needs to restructure it's weigh divisions.
omglollmao123 2 years ago
dude HW division is 205-265 and brock lesnar is using fighters' stupidity against them..HW division should be for fighters who are around 280-300 lb after weigh-in cus those HW's who walk around 205-220(230 maybe) are stupid..they should all drop down to 205 and fight in LHW..as other option they could make another division and cut HW from 205-225(230) and make super HW 230-265 but that is hardly possible if not impossible..it might be fun but then there'd be to few fighters in SHW so fk it.. :P
iLuvHardStyle 2 years ago
Well the whole point is most fighters don't get up past 230 lbs. Lesnar has a weight advantage over just about everybody. That said I still think Fedor would beat him.
Kovaji 2 years ago
ofcourse fedor will kick his ass but i was just saying what i think..the HW division is 205-265 and not 205-230 so fighters should get used to it..and it aint all about being so heavy, brock is also much bigger then some HW's that walk around 220lb..i mean height not muscles etc..
iLuvHardStyle 2 years ago
why should fedor quit?? he isnt past his prime.. and no offence but he should wait till he starts losing... considering the ONLY loss he has was a minor technicality of the specific rules for the tournament he was in... fedor has many years of fighting left youll see
Nomad22280 2 years ago 3
Coleman is a class act.
BigBadassR 2 years ago
Brock will not be a true champion until he starts defending his title, having exciting fights, and not acting like a complete roidnut with a bad attitude.
SturmWolfe 2 years ago 2
you all stupid bigs
fedor is the best figther on the planet
bitch brock losses after the first minute of round 1!!!!!!
actually the work on a contract for fedor to rule Ufc
stay tuned keyboard warriors
Beenie0085 2 years ago 2
Guys stop calling Fedor #1. Whats the #1 MMA organization in the world? UFC. Has Fedor held the UFC Heavyweight title? No. Brocks holding it, so hes #1. Hes not the best P4P fighter in the world, because the top P4P is meant to be someone other than a Heavyweight. Anderson Silva or Georges St. Pierre are the best P4P fighters in the world.
Humberwood87 2 years ago
...................... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
There's a reason why people call Fedor #1... HE IS FUCKING NUMBER 1, YOU DIPSHIT.
You sound like some 12 year old UFC fanboy. There are plenty of great MMA organizations in the world today, and plenty have amazing fighters.
Fedor is not going to chase after some ape like Brock, just because he's the heavy weight champion. Hell, Brock's only fought 6 fights.
Fedor is UNDEFEATED in 29. Brock already has a loss.
SturmWolfe 2 years ago 3
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dude statistics dont mean anything when one is bullshit (Brock) and one is is one of the lower on the popularity means that skills speaking the best in the world is Anderson 'Spider' Silva or Lyoto Machida. Fedor fought in the UFC once and got his ass handed to him did you see that fight?
anyway Fedor is ONLY undefeated in PRIDE but UFC is bigger and way more talent in there also heavyweight bouts are boring cause they are so slow just my opinions so dont try to convice me otherwise
parkouris4u 2 years ago
Haha... You have no idea what you're talking about. Fedor has not fought in the UFC once, nor has he been part of the UFC. Don't start making shit up.
Fedor has fought in Pride, Affliction, Bodog fight, and rings. NOT the UFC, not even once.
So, stop making shit up, because you obviously know nothing about Fedor. LOL
SturmWolfe 2 years ago 5
so your saying you didn't see all of the UFC Top 100 best fights? cause otherwise i wouldn't be talking
parkouris4u 2 years ago
just cuzz ufc is the biggest doesnt mean squat... fedor for the most part has never lost a fight... 2nd off he is 30-1 brock is 4-1 so yes statisticly speaking fedor is #1
Nomad22280 2 years ago
Heavyweights can!
if they are dominate enough
you need learn semantics
Vinniemoore89 2 years ago
Fedor isn't the hardest hitter. Though he is fast, but there are faster. Lesnar is the hardest hitter without a doubt, the fastest in takedown ability and footwork, and the best wrestler (tied with couture IMO). I think Fedor would lose to Lesnar in the second round. IF Fedor does come to the UFC, it'll first be Fedor vs Couture, and the winner faces Brock. Couture deserves another shot because he actually was giving Brock a lot of trouble in the first round of their bout.
Humberwood87 2 years ago
In regards to Fedor's weight, he is fighting at his natural weight. Fedor looks chunky in comparison to other MMA competitors because many fighters cut weight before a bout to the point of dehydration, which makes them look shredded. Take Rumble Johnson for example, he drops 30 pounds for every bout. As for the fighters, Coleman doesn't have much of a chance against Brock anyway. Realistically, a fight between Fedor and Brock could go either way, and would be awesome to see.
fallen3156 2 years ago
infact the extra body fat helps him go that bit further.
FASEOFMARS 2 years ago
Fedor's skill is superior but will struggler with Lesnar. Brock cuts to 265- solid muscle. He is also quick thanks to his wrestling years. Fedor hasn't faced anyone like brock. Sure some bigger guys but not as athletic as Brock.
9IVANKA 2 years ago 2
those of you who think Fedor is slower because he's pudgy , well... he's got the natural speed and strength. He maintains it by not building heavier muscles which will slow down his overall speed. He's probably faster than any heavyweight out there.
C'mon.. are you really giving Fedor advice on how he should work on his cardio??? puhahahha...
SOjuice 2 years ago
listen up all of you on the weight issue of fedor..GET OVER IT who cares!@##$he is still the best even if he is a little out of shape
wocketipus 2 years ago
true. but in a way they're trying to level the playing field as well. i agree with you about p4p...its something we'll never know. in a way its the weight classes that cause the argument to be useless.
kempobrad 2 years ago
you're right, size is an important factor, and that's exactly why they now have weight classes...a good big guy will beat a good little guy every time pretty much. take someone the size of nate diaz, no way he could beat brock lesnar. extreme example but its the truth. size matters.
kempobrad 2 years ago
i agree, even technique will only get you so far. thats the bad thing about the heavyweight division. if you fight at a lower weight class, there is a limit to how big your opponent will be, not in heavyweights though
kempobrad 2 years ago
ufc 91 pay per view 1 million
ufc 100 over 1.5 millon because of what cuture or mir or chuck NOT
because of brock lesnar fans and wwe fans my friend true story
sastasfasbas 2 years ago
Fedor is unstoppable. 'Nuff said.
b0xeybr0wn666 2 years ago
brock will destroy the chikn russian
sastasfasbas 2 years ago
if anyone can work lesnar it will be fedor
jud928 2 years ago
fedor
MurdKnife 2 years ago 2
love him or hate him brock is a beast and i cant see anyone beating him hes just to big and powerful
wiganmadlad 2 years ago
finally somebody makes a realistic comment about brock lesnar.
dougerber 2 years ago
haha he said he would drop down 2 205??? hahaha he has a better chance at winning a belt in the heavy wieght division he would get demolished in 205..
arronpatt 2 years ago
he actually did drop down to 205, he just beat stephan bonnar on the undercard for ufc 100. im sure he came in the ring at 230, but he somehow weighed in at light heavy.
dougerber 2 years ago
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you sound so stupid gsp is the best pound for pound fighter in the world considering fedor isn't even the best in his weight class brock would woop his fat ass
xxAjFxx 2 years ago
Fedor is ranked no.1 in the world. I like Brock Lesnar-- but you have no argument. How do you rank best pound for pound? I want you to think about that REAL hard for a minute and then try again.
JRM008 2 years ago 2
Your a fucking moron.
stringray13 2 years ago
"xxAjFxx"
As soon as you put the name "Fedor" and the words " isn`t the best" your comment stopped making sense,and thats not just my opinion,its the opiniof of 99 % of people with brain.......
znjfl 2 years ago 2
it's not opinion it's fact. ignore the mma noobs/converted wwe fans nuthugging brock
WIGTRON5000 2 years ago
uhmm gsp is the best p4p but how many weight classes has he won the belt in 1 how many times has he beat a top 10 fighter in more than one weight 000000000000000000000
stupid fuck you dont know shit keep that cocksucker of your shut
21redskins21 2 years ago
wow lol if coleman is not going to fight lesnar then wtf! theres theres not that much heavy weights in ufc all of the heavy weight fighter are in affliction.
armytaskforce11x 2 years ago
coleman wouldnt stand a chance against lesnar, at least hes still got some brains to realize that
RideTehLightnin 2 years ago 2
i will bet u Carwin will kick lesnars ass
bahionic 2 years ago
dude carwin is probibly the slowist fighter in mma the only person i think can mayb'e beat him is cro cop
armytaskforce11x 2 years ago
dame chucks face is fucked up
unchartedfan818 2 years ago
I totally agree, I'm the biggest Fedor fan out there, he is the best, the greatest ever!
DaRealDeal2008 2 years ago 4
Coleman was the brock of the past
jesemus33 2 years ago
COLEMAN FTW
VoteOnWalkthroughs 2 years ago
so many people have no clue about weight cutting. these guys are a lot bigger than their wiehgt classes.
canuckman87 2 years ago
coleman, please just fuckin retire so I can try my best to remember you for the fighter you were.
raoulthompson 2 years ago
right now mark stamina is like negative. he was good when he was young though
mr3ggroll 2 years ago 2
piece of shit will prolly throw this fight too. dispicable worthless loser. go get kicked in your stupid empty head and face again. do what you do best. LOSE. lose streak artist.
imwatersoluable 2 years ago