Max More - Transhuman and the Singularity

[KhanneaSuntzu]

Sounds all pretty solid what he says here, and increasingly subtle over his earlier statements. He even seems to quote me in two spots, but that might be my imagination. Still very little about the economic hurdles that lie squarely in the way of any rapid progress, but hey. Nice to see he also grabs 'the new elan' Giulio Prisco called for recently. We need this optimism, and for one thing Extropianism was always about optimism. Occupy the future!

[TheRationalFuture]

@KhanneaSuntzu What is the 'the new elan' Giulio Prisco talks about that you mentioned Max grabbed? I think I missed that part.

[KhanneaSuntzu]

@TheRationalFuture - giulioprisco.blogspot.com/2011­/09/my-talk-at-humanity-commun­ity-event-in.html

[MrAdvancedAtheist]

@KhanneaSuntzu Ugh, you want to slum with the Occupiers? Someone on IEET's website compared them to parasites who demand that their hosts stop scratching at them.

[KhanneaSuntzu]

@MrAdvancedAtheist - Occupiers are only stage one. They are the rumbling in the ground for the approaching bison herd. Trust me on this. After stage one follow stage two, and that will be a wholelot more vicious. Then there will be stage three. But whatever you do - you should make sure stage four does not happen. It involves Guillotines and a lot of people dying.

[MrAdvancedAtheist]

@KhanneaSuntzu

I get the impression that about a decade ago the Extropy Institute announced that - poof! - Extropianism had ceased to exist. In the absence of progress towards these visions derived from science fiction, middle aged reality has a way of checking one's enthusiasm for this stuff. For example, Eric Drexler's "nanotechnology" continues to elude us because he apparently got the physics wrong. By contrast, genomics and connectomics exist in the here and now and get results.

[KhanneaSuntzu]

@MrAdvancedAtheist - Eric Drexler wrote a book on assumptions XYZ. We are now two+ decades onwards and you, me, anyone (+ the proper science skills) cahn write a variant book on nanotechnology 2.0. Call it microform robotics. Call it hive miniature diverse robotics. Call it algorithmic pasticity engineering. It is accent differences. HIS version of nanotechnology didn't pan out, new forms of alchemy will. You know it, I know it, commercial applications are just years away.

[SingularityUtopia]

Surges are not the Singularity, but it is common for people misunderstand the Singularity. Consumer adoption regarding the future and economic factors are a fallacy based on *scarcity-bias*.

Increasing order isn't religious. People aren't drawn to great progress of heart transplants, or other examples of increasing order/control, due to yearning for religious or mystical events. Heart transplants are not religious and the Singularity isn't religious. People are drawn to order/control.

[wulai]

I really hope more people watch this.

[MrAdvancedAtheist]

Of course you have the problem that plenty of people in the modern world can reach advanced ages without becoming wise. I got to know three of my grandparents well into my adulthood, but I could tell even as a child that they didn't have much going for them in the wisdom department. We don't all turn into sages as we age, or even into just experienced elders who demonstrate phronesis, like, for example, Warren Buffett.

[MrAdvancedAtheist]

19:02 As I like to put it, cryonicists want to transform death from a permanent off-state into a temporary off-state.

[skippyau]

There will never be a time when 100% of humanity explores this path, and both those who choose this path and those who don't choose it will look down upon eachother, and also protect narrow agendas, as humans do. This discrimination leads to much violence, and even global civil war. My hopes lay with technology (such as active camoflage, and non-earth colonies) allowing humanity as a whole to avoid any further conflict and death, and in time fix things between humanity.