I am Muslim and don't think they discriminated, I believe cases like this make Islam look intolerant and Muslims in the West should be more responsible in representing their faith!
@abuabdillah333 No, f*ck that!! If Western Muslims represent their faith as real Muslims do in the Middle East, we'ld be in trouble like Western Europe is getting into.
@abuabdillah333 Man, I can't tell you how much I hate your religion. I've had to study it ever since 9/11 to learn why the f*ck Muslims would attack us in the first place. Now it's very clear to me. I sincerely hope all non-Muslims unite to keep all Muslims out of the West. I don't give a shit if Western Muslims are relatively tame - there is always the potential there for Islamic orthodoxy to spread like cancer.
The real question is how the hell do they hire a Muslim for a math teacher there Holy book the Koran has multiple incorrect math entries and Islam claims the Koran came from Allah, so if Allah can't get the math right how can a She.
@wownycrrcom I should be embarrassed, not everyone can be just a wonderfully ignorant, hypocritical, bigoted ass like you. I'm sure you read the Bible all the time.
@Candiecane908 Now Is that any way for a Christian to speak, if you where a true Christian you would pray for me not cruse me I guess your one of those Christian that believe Islam & Christianity share the same God you embarrass me the way you speak to me & the way you embrace the devils religion.
What the fuck? I hate how people use religion in this country to justify anything. I would rule against her. I believe in goblins. So what? Other people should respect my stupid beliefs. I have a problem with the first two amendments of the constitution i have to recognize it.
@alexdarko80 Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
I wouldn't rule in her favor at all. Pregnancy is completely different from something you "want" to do. With pregnancy she's going to be physically encumbered and unable to do her job and she's not choosing when to have the child, it's just going to happen despite her. It would have been nice if they had given her it off but the fact is if it was a burden they don't have to do so and thus there is no plausible case.
One of my teachers took nearly half a year off to take care of her sick parents, my school was willing to accomodate that so why can't this school accomodate 3 weeks?
@megasword33 well actually haj can only be done during a certain kind of month in the islamic calender and in the calender we use it would be during november or december
@xsam116x YES!!! If you're stupid enough to sacrifice your career, for your faith then who knows what else you're willing to sacrifice in the name of your God and religion.
Look, you know what I'm insinuating however I will say this. Good men do good things, evil men do evil things but for a good man to do evil things, that takes religion. I presume you're a sensible and 'good' guy, but you just stated you would give up a promising career for religion, that is ridiculous.
@grobo11 i'm sorry but the thing u just said sounds even more ridiculous, i know exactly what ur insinuating and ur way of thinking is completely out of line, jumping to conclusions and pointing fingers before anything happends brings nothing but hatred and ignorance in this world.
i assume ur not very religious but just cuz i believe my religion is more important to me than money does not give u the right to abuse or criticise me! stick to ur belief and keep ur nasty comments to urslf!
@xsam116x My implications are totally justified. In a world full of job shortages and low paying wages you come out with the statement on how you would give up a career (it doesn't just have to do with money) just so you couldn't go to 'hell'. It is that kind of fear mongering that has been embedded into people that stunt's humanity's progression. You've adopted a foolish mind-set that you will most likely pass on to your children and once again have humanity cowering from the supernatural.
@xsam116x YOU CHOOSE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE SCARED!!! You literally implied that if you didn't go to a specific religious festival or do as your religion commanded you would go to hell, making you frightened. Why can you not see this? Answer me.
"am not gonna continue this argument" stop being such a coward, if you're going to defend your faith then do it.
"narrow minded individual" Prove how I am narrow minded. I've read the Bible and the Quran and know equally about both, you buffoon.
How the hell does some QUIT THEIR GOD DAMN JOB FOR RELIGION ?I mean , that is simply stupid. No matter how you look at it,it's just stupid.
These things just make me sick...you quit your jobs , kill your children , kill your family , start damn wars , overpower ,humiliate and abuse women and many many more ,everything in the name of a who knows what invisible man in the sky and yet you considers yourselves human.
Humanity should promote intelect ,reason and logic not god damn fairytales !
@sjraiders50 Enough for a vacation. While i agree that she should have been given the three weeks, if it is true that she quit and was not fired, then i still stand by my third sentence. I don't see how she has grounds for a lawsuit.
@benjamine128 haj can only be done during a certain kind of month in the islamic calender and in the calender we use it would be during november or december
Atheist, think you could find a way to work it out with her, but just because you have freedom of religion, doesn't mean you're guaranteed jack. If your religion says you're supposed to eat shrimp for a holiday, you buy your own damn shrimp. You have the freedom to buy & eat the shrimp for a religious ceremony, that's it.
Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. But would it fall at a more convenient time next year or the year after? Easter is scheduled by the lunar calender, and happens between the end of March and the beginning of April.
@m00se321 haj can only be done during a certain kind of month in the islamic calender and in the calender we use it would be during november or december
yes you have the right to practice whatever region you please, so long as it doesn't become disruptive to others (if my religion wanted me to sacrifice a virgin every year, i doubt that would go well). Extreme's aside, in this case after considering the 4months thing (which i didn't hear before I commented, "My Bad") you/she are correct.
I would argue that Freedom of religion comes with the responsibility to be a good citizen... and in this case I think she was, if you look at the facts.
@witawillie Hajj is done at a specific time every year. You could call it a holiday in that sense. But it's more solemn than it is festive. It's easy to consider Hajj a "religious retreat" but it's not that simple.
Irrespective of that, the teacher gave the administrators ample time to adjust to her request. That they didn't want to make the adjustment.
Since when isn't Hajj an official, religious holiday? Also, you're not her boss. You didn't see her contract. You're not a member of her union. You're in no place to declare what her job is supposed to be. "She was being real selfish to those kids". Hogwash. They could've gotten a sub. I dunno about you but I had subs when I was in school. I remember when my AP Biology teacher needed to take leave. She was also the division chairwoman for the science department. We got a sub. It was no big deal.
@upabittoolate Since they live in america its not an officail religious holiday... so its left up to discretion of employer. Any you are right, the school good have done much better.
Also you are getting to worked up on this issue... responding to every comment. Don't have an aneurysm (im serious). PEACE
@DocSolomon Bullshit. In America we respect everyone's right to practice whatever religion they so please. And you're talking about employers' discretion now? That all sounds like a solid argument. But after considering 2 critical facts: 1) she gave them 4 (FOUR) months notice. That's AUGUST which is at the beginning of the school year if you remember school. 2) She took it as an unpaid leave.
I think she wanted special treatment. She is Muslem, but she didn't deserve any better than any other teacher. Who else got 3 weeks off? If no one else did, then they weren't discriminating.
Excuse me, but 'Haj' I think, does NOT need to be taken ONLY during Dec. And, doesn't this school have the summer off? She couldn't go THEN? Hey, she has/had a responsibility to the students and she bailed. Let her find work in Saudi Arabia. After all, it was SOOO important to go THERE during work time. But, SHE wouldn't have equal rights there. Or did we forget that? Can you say have your cake & eat it, too?
@TheSchmuckLook Nonsense. Jewish professionals who follow get all Saturdays off AND Rosh Hoshanah & Tom Kippur off. You're not telling them to move to Israel. She had a responsibility to her students. Tis true. But you're ignoring the fact that she told her bosses about her Hajj in AUGUST. Also, why are you trying to run Americans off to other countries? She has as much a right to be here as anyone else. But most of all, why are you putting "Hajj" in quotations? Is it not tangible to you?
@upabittoolate Sorry to misspell Hajj. That's why it was in "quotation marks'...I wasn't sure of the word. And Saturdays are NOT school days. And the other two holidays you mentioned do not last three weeks. Get a grip I have nothing against the following of religion, any of them, but people KNOW that that following should not be used to get out of THREE WEEKS of scheduled work. This is someone taking advantage of religion and observances. She COULD go in the summer. Right?.
@TheSchmuckLook Bullshit. You put it in quotes to marginalize it. There's elective school programing on Saturdays in IL too. Are you gonna make it this easy? Do you know how long Rosh Hoshanah & Yom Kippur last? Go'head. Tell me without googling it.
And no. You can't do Hajj in the summer. It's time specific.
@upabittoolate Time specific??? Now YOU are the bser. Hajj can be done anytime or Saudi Arabia, et al., would be waaay overcrowded by the faithful. And you damn well know it. And, sir, I do NOT marginalize any religion. Stop the histrionics and try to start thinking. And Jewish teachers do not take off all of Yom Kippur or Rosh Hoshanah and you damn well know that, too. Stop trying to confuse the issue. It's the school year and she knew that when she took the job.
@upabittoolate Not as stupid as you, nor am I trying to be a 'professional offended fool who is making a big deal out of someone saying no. You cannot always get your own way. She, and you, need to get a grip on that.And just because someone says no to a request does NOT mean discrimination. Get a grip on that, too. Now shut up.
Well if she wasn't getting paid who cares. This is her problem not the schools. She made her own decision that this was more important then her job fine, they'll find someone who finds the job more important then their own desires. This is why you get paid to be there. One of the great part of the freedoms we have in America is you are free to leave your job when ever you want, and your employer is free to find someone else if you do.
@clemssss I know. So like I said, the school should have acted better. But did they say: 'you can't leave because you're a Muslim'? No, that's ridiculous. She would have a stronger case if another teacher in the school who was in the same situation (only teacher in the subject, during exams), was allowed to leave for three weeks for his fishing trip or Jesus camp or something.
If they had the information for longer than 3 months and didn't voice concern at that time then not letting her do it is bullshit. I don't think it's a religious problem on the school's part but just laziness for not dealing with the issue months prior and working out a compromise. If no compromise could be reached then fine but this is not because of her religion, her timing was just inconvenient.
@zweezey Do you have any knowledge in the arabic language? If you don't know arabic then please don't try to explain. The word Algebra comes from the word Al -jabr which means the mending or welding of a broken bone ,later it was used in maths when dealing With fractures ,the first mathematician to use it was AL- Khawarizmy also from his name the word '' algorithm '' was taken. Muslims have contributed to Algebra while Europe was in the Dark Ages LOOK IT UP
this is retarded. a person has a right to believe whatever BS they want, but no one else has any obligation to cater to your retardation. I love though how this is practically admitting your belief is so debilitating it makes you a special needs child.
@qtzlctl2012 Asking for 3 weeks, a single time does not equate you to a retarded child, especially when it was requested 4 months in advance. I'm an atheist, but I believe there are plenty of things out there that are WAAAY more important than my shitty fucking job. So did she. Let her go; find a fucking sub.
@shipmaker14 oh please, if i said i needed 3 weeks off to go look for a mystical chicken in brazil or something, you'd call me crazy. but a walk to mecca? oooooo holy
the point though that makes her look like a retard child is how she needs accomodations that i would not get for no good reason at all, what if i did want to go search for a mystical chicken in brazil? should i get 3 weeks off too?
and if you try to do some equivocation fallacy crap, i honestly don't see a difference between them
@shipmaker14 You're a fucking idiot with no idea how the world works. You don't have a job. If you did you would recognize how stupid it is to let someone out of work whenever they want, especially a teacher. The stupid bitch doesn't need to take the pilgrimage right now, she can do it any time in her life, like in the summer when she isn't obligated to do the job she just got hired for. And wow there are more important things than a shitty fucking job? You're such a free spirit bro!
They seem to have forgot to mention that this teacher had only been on the job for 8 months . Big surprise that Cenk and Obama would sympathise with a muslim .
the teaher only has to go once in a lifetime, and it's based on the lunar calender. that basically means she could have gone another year (ANY other year), during a different time of the year.
This just goes to show the absurdity of "anti-descrimination" laws. One person asks to get 3 weeks of vacation for personal issues and they are fired. Another does the same but adds religion to it and they are magically given special privildeges.
It's only three weeks once! Big fucking deal. I had teachers in highschool that were gone for waaaay longer if you were to accumulate the amount of time some spent in a vacuos stupor!?
Good Thing she's only a math teacher, and not teaching something valuable like... INTELLIGENT DESIGN!
@RealityGrapple And its not a dick move to "not let her do it". She signed up for a job that required her to be there teaching at the time she wanted to leave. That should be pretty damn simple to understand... If you cannot get off of work for whatever reason (not just your religious beliefs) and you decide to QUIT then the discussion is over.
By the way, many people go through this kind of problem at work but we only make a big deal out of it when the reason behind them is religious... WTF
@RealityGrapple this really comes down to what your priorities are, and let me remind you the woman made her choice and decided to quit. That should have been the end of it but then the bitch comes back and sues.
And if you managed to know more about my life and you happened to find stupid shit in it, I would not be offended if you told me about this. In fact, I would welcome these comments from you.
Unlike the religious, I can deal with opinions different than my own.
@shipmaker14 simply giving your employer notice in advance does NOT mean they will be able to cover for her. I have requested certain days off from work with several months in advance even though I only need two weeks.
Sometimes they tell me they cannot make it work since they dont have anybody to cover me. If I decide to QUIT as a result I have no grounds to complain..
Simply giving notice does not mean your employer will magically cover your spot...
@guitarmaestro078 My parents were teachers (in Canada) and taking three weeks was no big deal, as they were in a union and allowed to bank sick days. Many teachers I had took time off for parents dying, trips to Ecuador, etc. without four months in advance; there's always substitute teachers available.
@shipmaker14 while that sounds awesome and like something we all would like to see everywhere it is not sustainable. In any case, you are trying to compare Canada with the US and we know Canada has a huge number of social programs that the US does not have so that might be part of the reason why this is possible in Canada but not the US.
@RealityGrapple sorry dude, but last time I checked NOBODY is granted the right to not be offended. If I am running a business and I need you to work for me but your religious beliefs prevent you from doing what I need you to do, tough day for you dude, you are getting fired.
I dont have to respect anybody's religious beliefs, specially when we are dealing with issues like these or matters that can be demonstrated and proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
@armygrunt1992 I actually did a paper on that in college. I think this piece of legislation would actually agree with me considering she was hired, she did work there, and she eventually quit.
She is not asking for equal protection, she (and many religious people) is asking for special treatment. I request days off from work all the time with plenty of notice and sometimes it can be done and sometimes it cannot be one.
@guitarmaestro078 specifically in Title VII it's stated that an employer has to provide "reasonable accommodation". the supreme court has set a precedent that any reasonable accommodation offered by an employer will satisfy their obligation, not necessarily the one proposed by the employee or even most reason reasonable. but in this case the school district did't offer anything just refused. do you agree or disagree?
@armygrunt1992 As far as I understood the video the school did not "refuse" to do it but rather was UNABLE to do it. That is what they said at least. By the way, I dont think that what happened was done BECAUSE of her religion.
How does the supreme court define "reasonable" then? If an employer MUST accommodate these types of things even if doing so would hurt the business then I think the law must be changed. Its stupid.
i call shenanigans. i think all religion is bs but in her case, the leave was unpaid. there was no reason to say no. we all know exam time is just babysitting students and putting a piece of paper thru a scan-o-tron. they have substitutes teachers for this reason.
@hint0122 oh get out of that "won't somebody think of the children" mentality. it's exam time. where every student sits silently, focusing on their own paper and then they leave. oooh real suffering there. you live a shallow or simple existance if that's your idea of "suffering"
And I am sorry, but I have to disagree with Cenk once again. It is NOT really important to respect people's religious beliefs. Sorry dudes, but if you are religious and we do or say something that offends you GROW A PAIR AND MOVE ON.
We ALL hear and see stuff that offends us every day and only religous people have made it a sport to demand special treatment and call foul every time everyone around them does not deem their personal beliefs important enough to change policy... This has to end!
If I had my own business and some dumbass came to me asking for that much time off I would fire them too. I dont give a damn if you believe in Buddha or Jesus or the magic leprechaun... I have a business to run.
There is a belief around that tells us it is OK to make these types of exceptions for religious folk. I cannot smoke marijuana because its illegal, but if you happen to be Native American and if you believe some bullshit about nature its ok...
Sorry dudes, but the idea of making exceptions for people simply because of their religious beliefs is ridiculous and impractical. What is next? Should we stop all our activities five times daily to allow prayer for muslims? And before you morons start going after me I will make it very clear, THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST MUSLIMS and this applies to ALL religions.
If you have something more important than work to do and you get fired over it, its your damn fault.
So, if it's a once in a lifetime thing why does she have to schedule in the middle exam time? Why not schedule it in quieter time of the school year? I can understand not wanting to go to the desert in the Summer.
Forgive my ignorance on this but does the Hajj rotate though the calendar like Ramadan does or does it have specific dates? If it does rotate then this Lady could easily plan ahead so her time off falls in summer break, spring break, or winter break so as to minimize her time missed from work. If not then my point simply does not apply.
Okay, so as long as I tell my employer 6 months in advance, I am entitled to any amount of time off I want? That's great. I'm going to tell my boss I'm taking 50 years off starting on the new year. If he says no, I'll sue him for religious discrimination. My religion is not working, you see.
Why is this such a big issue. The school system is under a lot of stress and maybe this one in particular didnt want to unnecessarily pay her and a substitute. So they said no. She could have gone next year
actually we don't have to respect their religion, we just have to give them the freedom to practice it, that includes some holidays... but ya, three months? cya later lady
@ninetysevenecho what i'm trying to say is the school district didn't do anything to try and compromise or get a substitute teacher, i think 4 months in advanced is enough time to at least make some phone calls to see if there were anymore qualified teachers in the area or to training some one on the math labs, if they had made an attempt and then couldn't find anybody then i would've given my support for the school district
the school uses public funds from the government, so the government is supporting an establishment of religion. Everyone is entitled to holiday (which they can use for whatever purposes) but part of being a teacher is to be available to teach during term-time. If the teacher cannot fulfill his/her duties then they should not be in the job
@armygrunt1992 No, it's not. Students aren't being compromised by Christmas break. Both students and teachers of all religions get to take the break. This also brings up the question why couldn't she just wait until Christmas break and then leave? She would only miss one week of school. You think a teacher of another religion would be allowed to just leave for three weeks during exams? Also I can't believe people are saying to just get subs. Half the time subs have no clue what they're doing.
@ColJ2 first off, my point about winter/Christmas break was that Christian teachers don't have to ask for time off to celebrate Christmas because a break is already built for them. secondly, the Hajj season happens only certain time of the year so going during winter break wouldn't mean anything. third, i don't believe another teacher would be given three weeks leave for religious reasons and that would still be religious discrimination. last, if its during exams nothing is actually being taught
@armygrunt1992 Well I guess the real issue then is just religion. Maybe people should stop following stupid superstitions that preach peace but only bring violence and actually look for spiritual meaning within themselves. I guess I expect too much... reasoning and the ability to think independently is far beyond our species' abilities. Honestly I'm tired of religions looking for sympathy after all the pain they cause. Also she left for three weeks including exams but not only for that time.
@armygrunt1992 : becoz Christians form the majority.....becoz Christians built & developed this nation...yes we can add the Jews and in a few but significant cases : Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists. Muslims however have NO claim to America's greatness except that Islam is a clear threat and an undesirable anti-western force which thrives like a dreadful parasite planning world domination. If Muslims are so darn sensitive about their darn cultural requirements, they free to return back home.
@paxfromindy are you serious 'free to return back home' what about american born muslims and those who choose to convert, i guess they just don't count as much. and saying christians built and developed the nation is funny because i didn't know christians believed in building a country on the backs of slaves
@armygrunt1992 : Arguing with the likes of you makes as much sense as banging my head against the wall. Please read a decent history book. Btw, we're not talking about blacks or slaves...but Moslems.
@paxfromindy you brought up history buy talking about how christians 'built and developed' the nation. but thats not even the worst part of your last comment. anyone who is an American citizen has a claim to its greatness. i'm american born muslim convert and i leave for Army BCT next week so do i not have a claim to "America's greatness"?
@armygrunt1992 : Well goodluck to you! I agree those who work hard and contribute DO indeed have a claim, irrespective of their race, nationality, sexual orientation, gender, religion etc. Except that this Moslem teacher like many others in the gravy train acted like a freaking nut and hope she gets fored for her stupidity.
I am Muslim and don't think they discriminated, I believe cases like this make Islam look intolerant and Muslims in the West should be more responsible in representing their faith!
abuabdillah333 2 months ago
@abuabdillah333 What do you mean, 'look intolerant'?? Islam IS intolerant!
TheUltimateCynic 22 hours ago
@abuabdillah333 No, f*ck that!! If Western Muslims represent their faith as real Muslims do in the Middle East, we'ld be in trouble like Western Europe is getting into.
TheUltimateCynic 22 hours ago
@abuabdillah333 Man, I can't tell you how much I hate your religion. I've had to study it ever since 9/11 to learn why the f*ck Muslims would attack us in the first place. Now it's very clear to me. I sincerely hope all non-Muslims unite to keep all Muslims out of the West. I don't give a shit if Western Muslims are relatively tame - there is always the potential there for Islamic orthodoxy to spread like cancer.
TheUltimateCynic 22 hours ago
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abuabdillah333 2 months ago
i dont think im buying the whole discrimination claim they could have really needed her i meen this type of think happens all the type in work places
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The real question is how the hell do they hire a Muslim for a math teacher there Holy book the Koran has multiple incorrect math entries and Islam claims the Koran came from Allah, so if Allah can't get the math right how can a She.
wownycrrcom 2 months ago
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wownycrrcom 2 months ago
This is why I send My Kids to Christian School because they don't hire Devil worshipers like her. End of Story.
wownycrrcom 3 months ago
@wownycrrcom I'm a Christian. You embarrass me.
Candiecane908 2 months ago
@Candiecane908 Well you should be embarrassed if you defend Islam
wownycrrcom 2 months ago
@wownycrrcom I should be embarrassed, not everyone can be just a wonderfully ignorant, hypocritical, bigoted ass like you. I'm sure you read the Bible all the time.
Candiecane908 2 months ago
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@Candiecane908 Now Is that any way for a Christian to speak, if you where a true Christian you would pray for me not cruse me I guess your one of those Christian that believe Islam & Christianity share the same God you embarrass me the way you speak to me & the way you embrace the devils religion.
wownycrrcom 2 months ago
@wownycrrcom You should be embarrassed for being a bigot!
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wownycrrcom 3 months ago
What the fuck? I hate how people use religion in this country to justify anything. I would rule against her. I believe in goblins. So what? Other people should respect my stupid beliefs. I have a problem with the first two amendments of the constitution i have to recognize it.
alexdarko80 5 months ago
@alexdarko80 Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
wownycrrcom 2 months ago
@wownycrrcom Qur'an 4:59 "Obey God and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you..."
abuabdillah333 2 months ago
How the hell does a school only have one math teacher, how tiny is this school?
KingArthur13th 5 months ago
I wouldn't rule in her favor at all. Pregnancy is completely different from something you "want" to do. With pregnancy she's going to be physically encumbered and unable to do her job and she's not choosing when to have the child, it's just going to happen despite her. It would have been nice if they had given her it off but the fact is if it was a burden they don't have to do so and thus there is no plausible case.
DarkBunnyLord 6 months ago
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MrAlexbradley 7 months ago
One of my teachers took nearly half a year off to take care of her sick parents, my school was willing to accomodate that so why can't this school accomodate 3 weeks?
mayxdrew4lifefosho 8 months ago
@mayxdrew4lifefosho Its diffrent you have to care for a parent, you dont have to worship a Sky God.
ldmonahan1 7 months ago
doesn't she has the whole summer?
megasword33 8 months ago
@megasword33 well actually haj can only be done during a certain kind of month in the islamic calender and in the calender we use it would be during november or december
12nabbia12 6 months ago
to choose between a job and my religion!? oh gosh let me think about that...i aint going to hell, bye bye job!
xsam116x 9 months ago
@xsam116x Retard.
grobo11 9 months ago
@grobo11 what why?? cuz i placed my faith before all??
xsam116x 9 months ago
@xsam116x YES!!! If you're stupid enough to sacrifice your career, for your faith then who knows what else you're willing to sacrifice in the name of your God and religion.
Look, you know what I'm insinuating however I will say this. Good men do good things, evil men do evil things but for a good man to do evil things, that takes religion. I presume you're a sensible and 'good' guy, but you just stated you would give up a promising career for religion, that is ridiculous.
grobo11 9 months ago
@grobo11 i'm sorry but the thing u just said sounds even more ridiculous, i know exactly what ur insinuating and ur way of thinking is completely out of line, jumping to conclusions and pointing fingers before anything happends brings nothing but hatred and ignorance in this world.
i assume ur not very religious but just cuz i believe my religion is more important to me than money does not give u the right to abuse or criticise me! stick to ur belief and keep ur nasty comments to urslf!
xsam116x 9 months ago
@xsam116x My implications are totally justified. In a world full of job shortages and low paying wages you come out with the statement on how you would give up a career (it doesn't just have to do with money) just so you couldn't go to 'hell'. It is that kind of fear mongering that has been embedded into people that stunt's humanity's progression. You've adopted a foolish mind-set that you will most likely pass on to your children and once again have humanity cowering from the supernatural.
grobo11 9 months ago
@xsam116x If religion can force you to quit your job it can force you to do other things as well.
grobo11 9 months ago
@grobo11 THAT exactly my point! MY religion does NOT FORCE ME TO DO ANYTHING!
PURE IGNORANCE, read my first comment. I CHOOSE to do what i want!
am not gonna continue this argument, u clearly are a narrow minded individual. wasting my time and effort here.
xsam116x 9 months ago
@xsam116x YOU CHOOSE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE SCARED!!! You literally implied that if you didn't go to a specific religious festival or do as your religion commanded you would go to hell, making you frightened. Why can you not see this? Answer me.
"am not gonna continue this argument" stop being such a coward, if you're going to defend your faith then do it.
"narrow minded individual" Prove how I am narrow minded. I've read the Bible and the Quran and know equally about both, you buffoon.
grobo11 9 months ago
How the hell does some QUIT THEIR GOD DAMN JOB FOR RELIGION ?I mean , that is simply stupid. No matter how you look at it,it's just stupid.
These things just make me sick...you quit your jobs , kill your children , kill your family , start damn wars , overpower ,humiliate and abuse women and many many more ,everything in the name of a who knows what invisible man in the sky and yet you considers yourselves human.
Humanity should promote intelect ,reason and logic not god damn fairytales !
Zerrattul 8 months ago
all religion is a retardation of humanity.
thorspinky 10 months ago
@thorspinky well lennon fan dont say tht out loud
MrOscarCoban 10 months ago
@sjraiders50 Enough for a vacation. While i agree that she should have been given the three weeks, if it is true that she quit and was not fired, then i still stand by my third sentence. I don't see how she has grounds for a lawsuit.
crackerkiller89 10 months ago
Like watching two jr high kids argue Justin Bieber.
Regulus149 10 months ago
@uncleady1
Oh I see, I wasn't aware Islam became a nationality or was mutually exclusive with such.
blackplatypus 10 months ago
@uncleady1
"Our" country? Who exactly are "we"?
blackplatypus 10 months ago
Why can't she just go during summer? She could go for 3 months.
benjamine128 10 months ago
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@benjamine128 haj can only be done during a certain kind of month in the islamic calender and in the calender we use it would be during november or december
12nabbia12 6 months ago
@uncleady1 what do you mean "our country"? america is for everybody
armygrunt1992 10 months ago
best use of soundboard ever!! GO ANA!!!
riotriotriot55 11 months ago
Atheist, think you could find a way to work it out with her, but just because you have freedom of religion, doesn't mean you're guaranteed jack. If your religion says you're supposed to eat shrimp for a holiday, you buy your own damn shrimp. You have the freedom to buy & eat the shrimp for a religious ceremony, that's it.
MyTemporaryAccount88 11 months ago
Tough issue. Should not be all or ni
krss12 11 months ago
RACIST SCHOOL
BusTerxUaE 11 months ago
Thanks. I wasn't aware of that. But would it fall at a more convenient time next year or the year after? Easter is scheduled by the lunar calender, and happens between the end of March and the beginning of April.
whoareyoutalkingto1 11 months ago
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In Islam one of their rules is that if you can not do something you do not have to do it!
vitalem4 11 months ago
Ana and the soundboard.....FTW! on this issue, I need more info to decide.
Foreverclever87 11 months ago
She could go during SUMMER BREAK!!
m00se321 11 months ago
@m00se321 thank you! I thought i was the only person here using common sense.
UncontestedTruth 11 months ago
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@m00se321 haj can only be done during a certain kind of month in the islamic calender and in the calender we use it would be during november or december
12nabbia12 6 months ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't schools close during the Summer in the US? Is that not ample time for the Hadj?
whoareyoutalkingto1 11 months ago
@whoareyoutalkingto1 Hajj time changes every year because Islam runs on the lunar calendar. Hope it helped.
MacAronySalsa 11 months ago
Islamists are the victims of their own cult.
BurnAllQurans 11 months ago
@BurnAllQurans LOVE YOUR NAME! If not for the guise of religion Islam would be banned! "Best way to become an Atheist, is read the bible".
ledaohio 11 months ago
yes you have the right to practice whatever region you please, so long as it doesn't become disruptive to others (if my religion wanted me to sacrifice a virgin every year, i doubt that would go well). Extreme's aside, in this case after considering the 4months thing (which i didn't hear before I commented, "My Bad") you/she are correct.
I would argue that Freedom of religion comes with the responsibility to be a good citizen... and in this case I think she was, if you look at the facts.
DocSolomon 11 months ago
Could she not have gone in the summer, when she doesn't have to be at the school?
OnceUponML 11 months ago
liberals like Obama and TYT supporters are destroying the Country with their PC and Anti-American attitudes.
cam1126 11 months ago
@cam1126 You're an idiot. You can't even generate an original thought.
upabittoolate 11 months ago
Doesn't she get 2 months off in the summertime?!?! Couldn't she go at that time?!?!
witawillie 11 months ago
@witawillie Hajj is done at a specific time every year. You could call it a holiday in that sense. But it's more solemn than it is festive. It's easy to consider Hajj a "religious retreat" but it's not that simple.
Irrespective of that, the teacher gave the administrators ample time to adjust to her request. That they didn't want to make the adjustment.
upabittoolate 11 months ago
@upabittoolate um... her job is to be there, unless its an official religious holiday or and emergency.
Anything is too bad so sad. She could have waited till the next year and took a part time teaching job.
She was being real selfish to those kids
DocSolomon 11 months ago
Since when isn't Hajj an official, religious holiday? Also, you're not her boss. You didn't see her contract. You're not a member of her union. You're in no place to declare what her job is supposed to be. "She was being real selfish to those kids". Hogwash. They could've gotten a sub. I dunno about you but I had subs when I was in school. I remember when my AP Biology teacher needed to take leave. She was also the division chairwoman for the science department. We got a sub. It was no big deal.
upabittoolate 11 months ago
@upabittoolate Since they live in america its not an officail religious holiday... so its left up to discretion of employer. Any you are right, the school good have done much better.
Also you are getting to worked up on this issue... responding to every comment. Don't have an aneurysm (im serious). PEACE
DocSolomon 11 months ago
@DocSolomon Bullshit. In America we respect everyone's right to practice whatever religion they so please. And you're talking about employers' discretion now? That all sounds like a solid argument. But after considering 2 critical facts: 1) she gave them 4 (FOUR) months notice. That's AUGUST which is at the beginning of the school year if you remember school. 2) She took it as an unpaid leave.
The school dropped the ball.
Yes. I get worked up about stupid people.
upabittoolate 11 months ago
I think she wanted special treatment. She is Muslem, but she didn't deserve any better than any other teacher. Who else got 3 weeks off? If no one else did, then they weren't discriminating.
mrsbelcher1987 11 months ago
Well she offered to go unpaid though....
ucofw 11 months ago
Excuse me, but 'Haj' I think, does NOT need to be taken ONLY during Dec. And, doesn't this school have the summer off? She couldn't go THEN? Hey, she has/had a responsibility to the students and she bailed. Let her find work in Saudi Arabia. After all, it was SOOO important to go THERE during work time. But, SHE wouldn't have equal rights there. Or did we forget that? Can you say have your cake & eat it, too?
TheSchmuckLook 11 months ago
@TheSchmuckLook Nonsense. Jewish professionals who follow get all Saturdays off AND Rosh Hoshanah & Tom Kippur off. You're not telling them to move to Israel. She had a responsibility to her students. Tis true. But you're ignoring the fact that she told her bosses about her Hajj in AUGUST. Also, why are you trying to run Americans off to other countries? She has as much a right to be here as anyone else. But most of all, why are you putting "Hajj" in quotations? Is it not tangible to you?
upabittoolate 11 months ago
@upabittoolate Sorry to misspell Hajj. That's why it was in "quotation marks'...I wasn't sure of the word. And Saturdays are NOT school days. And the other two holidays you mentioned do not last three weeks. Get a grip I have nothing against the following of religion, any of them, but people KNOW that that following should not be used to get out of THREE WEEKS of scheduled work. This is someone taking advantage of religion and observances. She COULD go in the summer. Right?.
TheSchmuckLook 11 months ago
@TheSchmuckLook Bullshit. You put it in quotes to marginalize it. There's elective school programing on Saturdays in IL too. Are you gonna make it this easy? Do you know how long Rosh Hoshanah & Yom Kippur last? Go'head. Tell me without googling it.
And no. You can't do Hajj in the summer. It's time specific.
upabittoolate 11 months ago
@upabittoolate Time specific??? Now YOU are the bser. Hajj can be done anytime or Saudi Arabia, et al., would be waaay overcrowded by the faithful. And you damn well know it. And, sir, I do NOT marginalize any religion. Stop the histrionics and try to start thinking. And Jewish teachers do not take off all of Yom Kippur or Rosh Hoshanah and you damn well know that, too. Stop trying to confuse the issue. It's the school year and she knew that when she took the job.
TheSchmuckLook 11 months ago
@TheSchmuckLook You cliam she's "taking advantage of religion & observances". That might be an argument if she didn't do it unpaid or use her pto.
Just how stupid ARE you?
upabittoolate 11 months ago
@upabittoolate Not as stupid as you, nor am I trying to be a 'professional offended fool who is making a big deal out of someone saying no. You cannot always get your own way. She, and you, need to get a grip on that.And just because someone says no to a request does NOT mean discrimination. Get a grip on that, too. Now shut up.
TheSchmuckLook 11 months ago
Well if she wasn't getting paid who cares. This is her problem not the schools. She made her own decision that this was more important then her job fine, they'll find someone who finds the job more important then their own desires. This is why you get paid to be there. One of the great part of the freedoms we have in America is you are free to leave your job when ever you want, and your employer is free to find someone else if you do.
Richardisdorky 11 months ago
It's so funny how scheduling works out for schools to take so much time off for Christmas... oops, I mean "Winter Break" wink wink
naturalmystic33 11 months ago
@Idsmashit22 again.. u just think of stereotypes.. life here is much much better, than in the west..
falcondadas 11 months ago
such pc bs. Ive had it with these fucks
Panchee123 11 months ago
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Muslims don't do compromise!
MrNodzilla 11 months ago
@clemssss I know. So like I said, the school should have acted better. But did they say: 'you can't leave because you're a Muslim'? No, that's ridiculous. She would have a stronger case if another teacher in the school who was in the same situation (only teacher in the subject, during exams), was allowed to leave for three weeks for his fishing trip or Jesus camp or something.
ksthebest 11 months ago
off the topic but you look very pretty and very well dressed today.
KitaroED 11 months ago
If they had the information for longer than 3 months and didn't voice concern at that time then not letting her do it is bullshit. I don't think it's a religious problem on the school's part but just laziness for not dealing with the issue months prior and working out a compromise. If no compromise could be reached then fine but this is not because of her religion, her timing was just inconvenient.
TheDynastQueen 11 months ago
@zweezey no need to insult me bro be more mature in your answers and Im not biased thank you :)
kandousha 11 months ago
@zweezey Do you have any knowledge in the arabic language? If you don't know arabic then please don't try to explain. The word Algebra comes from the word Al -jabr which means the mending or welding of a broken bone ,later it was used in maths when dealing With fractures ,the first mathematician to use it was AL- Khawarizmy also from his name the word '' algorithm '' was taken. Muslims have contributed to Algebra while Europe was in the Dark Ages LOOK IT UP
kandousha 11 months ago
this is retarded. a person has a right to believe whatever BS they want, but no one else has any obligation to cater to your retardation. I love though how this is practically admitting your belief is so debilitating it makes you a special needs child.
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012 MOTHERFUCKING THANK YOU! XD
Seriously.
That was what I was trying to say, but I couldn't find the right words to express my opinion; and you did it eloquently, if I may say so.
DameunPutazo 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012 Asking for 3 weeks, a single time does not equate you to a retarded child, especially when it was requested 4 months in advance. I'm an atheist, but I believe there are plenty of things out there that are WAAAY more important than my shitty fucking job. So did she. Let her go; find a fucking sub.
shipmaker14 11 months ago 23
@shipmaker14 oh please, if i said i needed 3 weeks off to go look for a mystical chicken in brazil or something, you'd call me crazy. but a walk to mecca? oooooo holy
the point though that makes her look like a retard child is how she needs accomodations that i would not get for no good reason at all, what if i did want to go search for a mystical chicken in brazil? should i get 3 weeks off too?
and if you try to do some equivocation fallacy crap, i honestly don't see a difference between them
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012 You done just be discriminatin' boy!
Besides, everybody knows the great Mystical Chicken lives in Paraguay!
shipmaker14 11 months ago
@shipmaker14 You're a fucking idiot with no idea how the world works. You don't have a job. If you did you would recognize how stupid it is to let someone out of work whenever they want, especially a teacher. The stupid bitch doesn't need to take the pilgrimage right now, she can do it any time in her life, like in the summer when she isn't obligated to do the job she just got hired for. And wow there are more important things than a shitty fucking job? You're such a free spirit bro!
grasd2 11 months ago
most open minded show in America,,,, screw all those conservasses ^_^
aalsuwaidi2010 11 months ago
They seem to have forgot to mention that this teacher had only been on the job for 8 months . Big surprise that Cenk and Obama would sympathise with a muslim .
imN0Ttheone 11 months ago
@imN0Ttheone ur a dumbass
kazekage321414 11 months ago
@kazekage321414 Coming from a snot nosed gook ... hahaha
imN0Ttheone 11 months ago
the teaher only has to go once in a lifetime, and it's based on the lunar calender. that basically means she could have gone another year (ANY other year), during a different time of the year.
pyr666 11 months ago
This just goes to show the absurdity of "anti-descrimination" laws. One person asks to get 3 weeks of vacation for personal issues and they are fired. Another does the same but adds religion to it and they are magically given special privildeges.
Houshalter 11 months ago
It's only three weeks once! Big fucking deal. I had teachers in highschool that were gone for waaaay longer if you were to accumulate the amount of time some spent in a vacuos stupor!?
Good Thing she's only a math teacher, and not teaching something valuable like... INTELLIGENT DESIGN!
shipmaker14 11 months ago
Why didn't she go during the summer?
devourerofbabies 11 months ago
@devourerofbabies 'Cause lust like your birthday, that's not when the Hag is.
shipmaker14 11 months ago
@RealityGrapple And its not a dick move to "not let her do it". She signed up for a job that required her to be there teaching at the time she wanted to leave. That should be pretty damn simple to understand... If you cannot get off of work for whatever reason (not just your religious beliefs) and you decide to QUIT then the discussion is over.
By the way, many people go through this kind of problem at work but we only make a big deal out of it when the reason behind them is religious... WTF
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
@RealityGrapple this really comes down to what your priorities are, and let me remind you the woman made her choice and decided to quit. That should have been the end of it but then the bitch comes back and sues.
And if you managed to know more about my life and you happened to find stupid shit in it, I would not be offended if you told me about this. In fact, I would welcome these comments from you.
Unlike the religious, I can deal with opinions different than my own.
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
@guitarmaestro078 If she told the school in August, they could have covered her, as many teachers I had who left for that long.
shipmaker14 11 months ago
@shipmaker14 simply giving your employer notice in advance does NOT mean they will be able to cover for her. I have requested certain days off from work with several months in advance even though I only need two weeks.
Sometimes they tell me they cannot make it work since they dont have anybody to cover me. If I decide to QUIT as a result I have no grounds to complain..
Simply giving notice does not mean your employer will magically cover your spot...
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
@guitarmaestro078 My parents were teachers (in Canada) and taking three weeks was no big deal, as they were in a union and allowed to bank sick days. Many teachers I had took time off for parents dying, trips to Ecuador, etc. without four months in advance; there's always substitute teachers available.
shipmaker14 11 months ago
@shipmaker14 while that sounds awesome and like something we all would like to see everywhere it is not sustainable. In any case, you are trying to compare Canada with the US and we know Canada has a huge number of social programs that the US does not have so that might be part of the reason why this is possible in Canada but not the US.
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
@RealityGrapple sorry dude, but last time I checked NOBODY is granted the right to not be offended. If I am running a business and I need you to work for me but your religious beliefs prevent you from doing what I need you to do, tough day for you dude, you are getting fired.
I dont have to respect anybody's religious beliefs, specially when we are dealing with issues like these or matters that can be demonstrated and proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
@guitarmaestro078 i really think you should check the Civil Rights Act of 1964
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 I actually did a paper on that in college. I think this piece of legislation would actually agree with me considering she was hired, she did work there, and she eventually quit.
She is not asking for equal protection, she (and many religious people) is asking for special treatment. I request days off from work all the time with plenty of notice and sometimes it can be done and sometimes it cannot be one.
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
@guitarmaestro078 specifically in Title VII it's stated that an employer has to provide "reasonable accommodation". the supreme court has set a precedent that any reasonable accommodation offered by an employer will satisfy their obligation, not necessarily the one proposed by the employee or even most reason reasonable. but in this case the school district did't offer anything just refused. do you agree or disagree?
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 As far as I understood the video the school did not "refuse" to do it but rather was UNABLE to do it. That is what they said at least. By the way, I dont think that what happened was done BECAUSE of her religion.
How does the supreme court define "reasonable" then? If an employer MUST accommodate these types of things even if doing so would hurt the business then I think the law must be changed. Its stupid.
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
i call shenanigans. i think all religion is bs but in her case, the leave was unpaid. there was no reason to say no. we all know exam time is just babysitting students and putting a piece of paper thru a scan-o-tron. they have substitutes teachers for this reason.
o3MTA3o 11 months ago 27
@o3MTA3o but the substitute might have (dramatic music) MUSLIM BLOOD
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
so the students should suffer? do you really think having a sub for weeks will help them?
hint0122 11 months ago
@hint0122 oh get out of that "won't somebody think of the children" mentality. it's exam time. where every student sits silently, focusing on their own paper and then they leave. oooh real suffering there. you live a shallow or simple existance if that's your idea of "suffering"
o3MTA3o 11 months ago
so you dont care if the kids dont get the education?
hint0122 11 months ago
@hint0122 you moron. it's exam time. there is no learning. there is only test writing and leaving.
o3MTA3o 11 months ago
And I am sorry, but I have to disagree with Cenk once again. It is NOT really important to respect people's religious beliefs. Sorry dudes, but if you are religious and we do or say something that offends you GROW A PAIR AND MOVE ON.
We ALL hear and see stuff that offends us every day and only religous people have made it a sport to demand special treatment and call foul every time everyone around them does not deem their personal beliefs important enough to change policy... This has to end!
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
Great analysis Ana
tommypickles09 11 months ago
If I had my own business and some dumbass came to me asking for that much time off I would fire them too. I dont give a damn if you believe in Buddha or Jesus or the magic leprechaun... I have a business to run.
There is a belief around that tells us it is OK to make these types of exceptions for religious folk. I cannot smoke marijuana because its illegal, but if you happen to be Native American and if you believe some bullshit about nature its ok...
BULLSHIT
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
Sorry dudes, but the idea of making exceptions for people simply because of their religious beliefs is ridiculous and impractical. What is next? Should we stop all our activities five times daily to allow prayer for muslims? And before you morons start going after me I will make it very clear, THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST MUSLIMS and this applies to ALL religions.
If you have something more important than work to do and you get fired over it, its your damn fault.
guitarmaestro078 11 months ago
muslims are idiots, fuck you muslim bastards, opressors of women and gays, I spit on you
MyLocalman 11 months ago
So, if it's a once in a lifetime thing why does she have to schedule in the middle exam time? Why not schedule it in quieter time of the school year? I can understand not wanting to go to the desert in the Summer.
LokiSilverFlame 11 months ago
Forgive my ignorance on this but does the Hajj rotate though the calendar like Ramadan does or does it have specific dates? If it does rotate then this Lady could easily plan ahead so her time off falls in summer break, spring break, or winter break so as to minimize her time missed from work. If not then my point simply does not apply.
tzimtzum1618 11 months ago
Okay, so as long as I tell my employer 6 months in advance, I am entitled to any amount of time off I want? That's great. I'm going to tell my boss I'm taking 50 years off starting on the new year. If he says no, I'll sue him for religious discrimination. My religion is not working, you see.
shmeebegek1 11 months ago
I remember the phrase "youll need to find your own substitute". Whatever happened to that?
grendelee 11 months ago
Why is this such a big issue. The school system is under a lot of stress and maybe this one in particular didnt want to unnecessarily pay her and a substitute. So they said no. She could have gone next year
UncontestedTruth 11 months ago
Even if she left...Have they not heard of substitute teachers before?...Apparently not...
Jarethenator 11 months ago
actually we don't have to respect their religion, we just have to give them the freedom to practice it, that includes some holidays... but ya, three months? cya later lady
vkvladman 11 months ago
@vkvladman its not three months, its three weeks...its still a lot of time but she did ask 4 months in advance
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
Why the hell can't that woman do her religious thing during the summer?
Nessule 11 months ago
@Nessule because Hajj, the religious pilgrimage, only happens a certain time of the year
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 Oh ok, my bad... that does kind of swing the argument in the teacher's favour, then...
Nessule 11 months ago
@Nessule
not really, hajj is based on the lunar calender, which means it move around from year to year.
pyr666 11 months ago
@ninetysevenecho what i'm trying to say is the school district didn't do anything to try and compromise or get a substitute teacher, i think 4 months in advanced is enough time to at least make some phone calls to see if there were anymore qualified teachers in the area or to training some one on the math labs, if they had made an attempt and then couldn't find anybody then i would've given my support for the school district
sjraiders50 11 months ago
Ana's face after soundboard hit...priceless
datniggami7 11 months ago
the school uses public funds from the government, so the government is supporting an establishment of religion. Everyone is entitled to holiday (which they can use for whatever purposes) but part of being a teacher is to be available to teach during term-time. If the teacher cannot fulfill his/her duties then they should not be in the job
waxybadger 11 months ago
LEt her go to mecca and make it a one way fucking ticket
DeathKorps94 11 months ago
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cheesydarkside 11 months ago
Love ya Anna, but in the new america, a school is lucky to have 1 math teacher. most just have a Gym Coach with a calculator.
henchmen999 11 months ago
the school did not discriminate her because of her religion. There is enough vacation during the year for a muslim to do the hadj !
Melpheos1er 11 months ago
An slightly awkward "hypothetical" here given that Cenk *is* effectively Annas employer.
tangent272 11 months ago
couldn't she wait until the summer? teachers get 3 months off of school. discrimination !? Nonsense.
trickcatcher 11 months ago
@trickcatcher thats the same as saying christians should celebrate christmas in the summer so there doesn't need to be a winter break
armygrunt1992 11 months ago 10
@armygrunt1992 excellent point
HardikG121 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 Good point.
LtShock 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 No, it's not. Students aren't being compromised by Christmas break. Both students and teachers of all religions get to take the break. This also brings up the question why couldn't she just wait until Christmas break and then leave? She would only miss one week of school. You think a teacher of another religion would be allowed to just leave for three weeks during exams? Also I can't believe people are saying to just get subs. Half the time subs have no clue what they're doing.
ColJ2 11 months ago
@ColJ2 first off, my point about winter/Christmas break was that Christian teachers don't have to ask for time off to celebrate Christmas because a break is already built for them. secondly, the Hajj season happens only certain time of the year so going during winter break wouldn't mean anything. third, i don't believe another teacher would be given three weeks leave for religious reasons and that would still be religious discrimination. last, if its during exams nothing is actually being taught
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 Well I guess the real issue then is just religion. Maybe people should stop following stupid superstitions that preach peace but only bring violence and actually look for spiritual meaning within themselves. I guess I expect too much... reasoning and the ability to think independently is far beyond our species' abilities. Honestly I'm tired of religions looking for sympathy after all the pain they cause. Also she left for three weeks including exams but not only for that time.
ColJ2 11 months ago
considering its not just christians who get christmas, off, your point is mute.
hint0122 11 months ago
@hint0122 but why are there breaks for christian holidays but not for holidays of other religions?
armygrunt1992 11 months ago 24
since there are already too many days off. keep in mind it is the government that sets federal holidays.
hint0122 11 months ago
@hint0122 exactly, and it's discriminating to give only one religion days off
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
tough shit.. if it was done your way, there would be way too many holidays to have time off.
hint0122 11 months ago
so what holidays should people get off?
hint0122 10 months ago
@armygrunt1992 was this country founded by muslims? i think not... and thank god not!!
muhammadneverexisted 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 : becoz Christians form the majority.....becoz Christians built & developed this nation...yes we can add the Jews and in a few but significant cases : Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists. Muslims however have NO claim to America's greatness except that Islam is a clear threat and an undesirable anti-western force which thrives like a dreadful parasite planning world domination. If Muslims are so darn sensitive about their darn cultural requirements, they free to return back home.
paxfromindy 11 months ago
@paxfromindy are you serious 'free to return back home' what about american born muslims and those who choose to convert, i guess they just don't count as much. and saying christians built and developed the nation is funny because i didn't know christians believed in building a country on the backs of slaves
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 : Arguing with the likes of you makes as much sense as banging my head against the wall. Please read a decent history book. Btw, we're not talking about blacks or slaves...but Moslems.
paxfromindy 11 months ago
@paxfromindy you brought up history buy talking about how christians 'built and developed' the nation. but thats not even the worst part of your last comment. anyone who is an American citizen has a claim to its greatness. i'm american born muslim convert and i leave for Army BCT next week so do i not have a claim to "America's greatness"?
armygrunt1992 11 months ago
@armygrunt1992 : Well goodluck to you! I agree those who work hard and contribute DO indeed have a claim, irrespective of their race, nationality, sexual orientation, gender, religion etc. Except that this Moslem teacher like many others in the gravy train acted like a freaking nut and hope she gets fored for her stupidity.
paxfromindy 11 months ago
@paxfromindy
Bullshit. Christianity is MUCH more of a threat to our western values than islam is.
blackplatypus 10 months ago