Listen(0:52) how the narrator pronounces "Iraq". I wonder if he would read "Iraqi" people, "Italy" and "Italian" in the same way. One is supposed to read Eraq and Etaly, these being exceptions from the rule. Discovery Channel, please! Some of your employees are too arrogant for what they really know about since and the biblical writings. I am yet to hear a specialist in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek to explain the meaning of some of the words use to refer to the flood.
Rain did cause the flooding, it was the tilting of the earth, waters was displaced from former oceans to early cities and civilization causing tsunamis and flooding. Rain and storm was weather anomaly during the tilting of the earth. The Grand Canyon maybe a barren land but studies shows it was an ocean few years ago.
@DeepSetEyesDance Yes, we all came off a boat 4400 years ago. So did the dinosarus but everyone died because they had nothing to eat, everything was dead and covered with mud.
The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth.-Genesis 7:18-23 proves :38-:46 wrong
why no clues to noahs arc discovered?, there are this ship in the mountain of ararat , also many other things found, some crosses and so on.. look in youtube part 1- 6
You remind me of the early church fathers who claimed that it was the pagans who ripped off Christianity of one doctrine or ritual after another, when they could be found in myths predating it by hundreds or even thousands of years!
The ancient Israelites obviously borrowed the story while captive in Babylon.
This piece of Epos evidence is just a prove that Gilgamesh believed, or at least heard about the BIBLE NOAH STORY, the real ark story!! His version is a false copy!! So simple..
I AM A WOMAN: But how come?, When I marry I loose my name, I loose my religion ( I am Anglican, but he his Catholic, so I MUST CONVERT, not the other way around). He is a MR, but I am defined as a Miss, MS or MRS?. I raise his brats and get no pay?, he calls me names, disrespects me (at any given opportunity in public). I can't further my education, because all of a sudden "THERE IS NO MONEY FOR ME" . He roots around because I'm a harpie? and want to be treated like a human being?.
@roffpoff not clap trap,,, get off your computer and go and actually see what is happening world wide to Females. Are you so ill informed, you actually have no idea?. I suggest you see stats from United Nations and Amnesty International. Knowledge is power.
@starquant well sorry me, if you have a miserable life , it all you to blame , you have chosen the life you are living , if not move o a country where they have womens rights equal to men , there are plenty to choose from, grow up and take some responsibility for your life. have you missed the year 2011?, we have fought trough womens right nearly 100 years.
@roffpoff lol, Blame a Female. I curse you and your family. You don't understand anything else. Your next 5 generations WILL ALL BE FEMALE... LIVE WITH IT.
starquant: please grow up , take a divorse , move to the civilized world, start living the life you really want . It is not about male and females , but what you want.
@roffpoff correct spelling is D I V O R C E. I'm going to resort to Ad Hominem with you, because your a tosser. FUCK OFF AND GO AND SMELL THE DAISES YOU USELESS WANKER.
WOW....their findings are awesome. Disproving the other's story but not giving any proof for their own. When they say the archaeologists said this or that......based on what evidence?
@roffpoff Depending on alot of factors, the wood usually becomes petrified by absorbing minerals from it's surroundings. There's wood millions of years old. Check out the Gray Fossil Site in east Tennessee on the web.
Look at all those dislikes. Some are just creatards, but I wonder whether some are people who make their living by conning "tithe" money from the rubes.
in those days they were all men of color!!! not a white man tryna look like an indian!!! tell the whole truth!!! the garden of eden was round ethiopia, so where did all this other stuff come from? the so called writters of the bible!! hmmmmm or the translators? the "mother land" true pyramids were built for their kings and queens!!! after yall took them and made them build half ass pyramids for yall, no wonder you still tryna figure out how/why!!! you forced love!!
@RcWorld7 Yeah, that's what I think. People came along and only named "parts" of the world. Like,"These are the Great Smokey 'Mountains'" But later on each "mountain" got it's own name in the Smokey Mountains. makes sense that the Bible would say "Mountains" of Ararat.
@SnowBunnieSqueakyToy There are no ''Mountains'' of Ararat. Mount Ararat, a snow-capped, dormant volcanic cone, it is not part of a mountain range. ONE mountain.
@gregrutz You're right. But the point is if I'm in New York and have never been to Colorado, I'll say something like,"you know, the mountain's of Denver." That's doesn't mean I'm talking about a mountain range, I'm just talking about a specific area. Ararat and Judi and about 10 miles apart. The guy who wrote Genesis was from Egypt and said "the mountains of Ararat" he knew the boat was in that area but he didn't say which mountain.
@SnowBunnieSqueakyToy I am from Washington. We have a volcano named Mt Rainier. It is one mountain. It makes no sense to say the ''Mountains of Rainier'' Ararat is a volcano too, there are not mountains of Ararat, there in only one volcano.
And the point is there is no evidence for a global flood anyway.
4) The Bible says the ark rested in the "mountains of Ararat." The ark was found 15 miles from Mount Ararat on Mount Judi. Even the Quran says it rested upon Mount Judi. See for yourself: youtube.com/watch?v=QVCvzGr7h1g
5) The Sumerians lived way after the time of the flood
6) The dead sea scroll are older and they have an accurate account.
1) If it wasn't a worldwide flood, why would Noah need to build a boat then?
2) If the flood story isn't true then how come almost every nation has their own version of the story; The Chinese, Aztecs, Arabs, Babylonians, Hebrews, Hawaiians, ect?
3) If the animals were babies you would have more room and most carnivores don't eat meat when they're little. Also there probably wouldn't have been as many types.
@fernieboy100 WRONG AGAIN! We do know that this is an evaporite deposit - pollen and bromine counts, remember? You can read, right? Tell you what, I'll let you leave gracefully if you will just admit that you don't understand what's being discussed here. You are quite ignorant, and happily so it appears. That's OK. Canada needs burger flippers too. Either that or you are a POE
@NorthForkFisher I am not taking the bait - i don't need to resort to insults - I already have the truth not a false hypothesis. I don't want to be proud and cocky about all this. - i wont throw stones or act superior. Not my thing. We know how often science has changed its tune and how many times mistakes have been made over the years so its definitely not a solid rock by any means. For 2000 years they taught that heavy objects fall faster than light objects lol - evolution is a religion
Shame on discovery channel for doubting Gods word and replacing it with this ridiculous documentary. I am glad I saw this so that now I know what team discovery channel plays for. I will be sure to let everyone know and I think its great that so many people did not like this documentary - that is a good sign that people are not falling for cleverly written documentaries that come from those pushing propaganda and trying to bring doubt to Gods word - nice try discovery channel but you get a FAIL.
@smarthandsomeguy homeschooled ? me ? no I went to public school - when you compare Gods word to the teachings of men all kinds of false things are exposed by the bible its awesome.
@fernieboy100 Really? How awesome is it? Can it explain about 9 trillion cu meters of salt? Maybe if you had paid attention in those classes you might have actually learned something. Critical thinking perhaps? Hell, I'd settle learning some chemistry and math, but it's too much to ask apparently. Canada used to have a decent school system, but now it's much like the LCD schools of the States.
@fernieboy100 You mean that you're simply not articulate enough to string together a concise narrative that based in any way upon reality so you'll now retreate in to some fantasy world where you're privy to some special knowledge? Yeah, that's called delusional or magical thinking. Usually found among those with a schizotypal disorder. Very common among YECers. Put up or shut up.This is about what you have evidence for.
@NorthForkFisherm There is all kinds of evidence for a flood but if your blind you won't see the massive canyons that exist on every continent - the massive ancient river deltas that are now prime farmland - the petrified trees and petrified forests that became that way because water flooded the earth - sea fossils on the tops of mountains. You act smart but you actually dont have a clue what your even talking about - explain to me the petrified trees that run through all layers of strata then
Thats right you can't explain it because everyone knows trees dont stand for millions of years - now its your turn to back up your big mouth and tell us your evidence - please say glaciers caused it - make this easy for me lol - you need to do your homework before coming in here acting like Mr. know it all
@fernieboy100 Aw. what's a matter? Getting your feelings hurt? Posting but not replying. Gee, that seems rather cowardly. I've done the homework, and it's mostly math, and it says Genesis is not literal. Too bad for those who would read it otherwise. So can you explain 9 trillion cu meters of NaCl, or not?
@NorthForkFisherman Where on earth are you getting your math from ? My feelings are not hurt lol - i have heard guys like you hundreds of times - you all have the same pompous attitude with nothing to back it up. You claim you have evidence but you don't thats why you guys are always failing at finding a common ancestor - with a series of proven frauds to show what your camp is all about. no transitional evidence - just claims that fossils from complete animals are transitional when they AREN'T
@fernieboy100 It's seems you're missing the point: I'm talking geology (inorganic processes), you're talking biology (organic processes). Perhaps if I used smaller words? Hmmm. Does YT have a big red crayon option? You do know the difference, right? Or am I going to have to school you on that too?
@fernieboy100 Well you are able to make some progress then. Nice suprise. Now, about those 9 trillion cu meters of salt? Exactly what chapter and verse provides sufficent information to explain that without having an alternate explanation using natural causes that is simpler? Thus far, I've not been impressed, so now's your chance to shine.
@fernieboy100 Well f-boy, you've had 48 hrs to go run to AiG to cut and paste something in response. And.....nothing. Which is good, because like I responded on that video of yours, the flood myth is falsified by the examination of that one formation: the Opeche Shale. And it's not even the biggest one of it's type. Evaporites, caliches, and anhydrites all show the dessication required for them to form. The amount of heat required couldn't happen during the flood of Genesis. More YEC Fail.
@NorthForkFisherman Get off your high horse dude - you reak of foolish pride - acting like you know everything - thats pretty funny because the smarter a person gets the more they realize they don't know as much as they thought - but in your case you think you know it all and have all the answers - your giving yourself away that you actually don't know jack. There is evidence all over the world of the flood - glaciers could not have done those things but your too blind to see or understand.
@fernieboy100 No, what you sense is knowledge. Something all you YECers/IDiots truely fear. Because you can't control someone who knows that you're bullshitting them. I notice that you've not tried to debunk, much less adress the basis of my argument. Which is wise, since you've neither the evidence to support your claims, or the mental armament to use it. So I'll ask you one last time....can you explain 9 trillion cu meters of evaporite salt in the Opeche Shale? C'mon, at least try.
@North I don't know the explanation for all that salt at this point - but I know that sometimes chemical reactions take place when elements are mixed together in a solution - and in a flood situation it would be no different than mixing different elements together in a beaker in a laboratory. We know that many of the elements are in the soil and earth - and that the earth has certain places where one substance is in higher concentrations than in other areas -i.e coal seams - uranium
So maybe certain chemical reactions took place in one area that did not take place in another - I know I don't have all the answers but I think if someone thinks they do have all the answers that they are only fooling themself - it's good to look at all the evidence and not to rush to a conclusion which ends up in a false hypothesis of what actually took place - with that said I have to say that Gods word never ever fails - so in the end it will be onvious a worldwide flood really did take place
@fernieboy100 So maybe this and maybe that? And then more of your empty opinion? That's really pathetic - you're guessing. No, I can't even call it guessing - you're making shit up and hoping no one notices how ignorant you are. Too bad. We did notice and will not abide fools. Organized reglion was invented the day the first rogue met the first fool.
@NorthForkFisher How do you know that the salt did not react with something in the earth in those areas ? You are guessing too - you don't know for a fact what happenned there either so stop pretending that the case is closed. It is possible that the salt reacted and joined to some mineral or element in the earth and then when the earths topograpthy changed and the water went elsewhere - the salt stayed behind - psalms 104 tells us the earths topograpthy changed - and the water went elsewhere
@ Northforkfisher So if what the bible says is true - then the water moved out of those areas because of massive techtonic plate shifting - not evaporation - it would be like pouring out a glass of water as compared to waiting for the glass of water to evaporate.
@fernieboy100 Nice. Little wonder I haven't seen a response from you - you truncated the response tags so I would NOT be notified and therefore not respond. What a chickenshit move. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just call it an oversight on your behalf and not a intended act. So now I get to go back and review these and respond accordingly.
@fernieboy100 Because of the chmical nature of NaCl and the bromine count was very low (2-70 ppm) indicating on land accumation and evaporation. Additionally, the palyonological data shows that this was surface depostion, not an offshore, or otherwise marine deposit. And any topology change in itself would've released even more heat to an already untentable theortical postion. In otherwords, you're still guessing.
@fernieboy100 Now I've got just one more little gem for you to try to consider - the Michgan Basin. That's all I'll say about that. take some time. read up on what it is composed of and how that might apply in this case. And remember this, there are hundreds of evaporite deposits all over the world that show the flood myth is just that - a myth. The Earth has no agenda.
@NorthForkFisherman alright i will look up the michigan basin - but i want you to look up the petrified forest national park in arizona - it is an ancient river delta full of petrified tress that do not even grow in that area - the hundreds of petrified trees were deposited there from the flood - you should see the pictures of them - they are all over the place in that spot
@fernieboy100 You mean kind of like what we see in the outflow from the Toutle River after Mt. St. Helens? Yeah, wrote a paper on that back in '84 for my High School Earth Sciences course. Got an A+. Big whoop. A river delta. You do know we're talking about things that disprove the flood. Thanks providing further proof even if you can't understand it. Let's stay on the subject of salt and heat, if you can. We'll talk biomass later.
Okay well what more do you want to say about salt and heat ? there is a massive salt deposit lol - its not like it is impossible for a salt deposit to happen after a flood - and you don't know if it evaporated ot not - i said the techtonic plates shifted like the bible says and the water went elsehwere - into the deep lakes and ocean pools and underground springs that filter up to the tops of mountains through capillary action. the salt joined to other minerals and was left behind possibly
@fernieboy100 "I don't know the explanation for all that salt at this point" Well, that's a little bit of truth that finally pours from your lips. There might be hope for you yet. I really doubt it, but it is quite possile you will have some education after all. In fact, let's start that education now: The Opeche Shale is part of a formation that runs from the Dakotas down to Texas. in it's deepest parft (the Williston Basin) is a deposit of Permian evaporite salt (continued)
@fernieboy100 The thickness of this deposit is 91 meters. And the area of deposition is 188,400 sq km. dividing by 2 to get an average we are left with about 9 trillion cu meters of NaCl. Now salt has a known density of 2,160 kg/m^3, so this represents the evaporation of 540,000 cubic kilometers of seawater. And since the amount of heat energy to evaporate water is a known fact, it requires 10^24 joules of heat energy to create this formation. (continued)
@fernieboy100 Now that amount of heat is more than twice what is required to raise the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere to over 100 deg C. Ergo, Noah, had he existed, would've been cooked like a lobster in a pot. And since we're going on what is evidence: Wilgus, Cheryl K. and William T. Holser, 1984. "Marine and Nonmarine Salts of Western Interior, United States," AAPG Bulletin. p. 765-766. Find any college level text on chemistry for the rest. Thus endeth the lesson.
@fernieboy100 They figured that out over 143 years ago. What did you miss the memo? Silly ape decendant. Dawson, J.W., 1868. Acadian Geology. The Geological Structure, Organic Remains, and Mineral Resources of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island, 2nd edition. MacMillan and Co.: London, 694pp.
@fernieboy100 I'll give you a hint, since I'm a bit tired and feeling generaous today. Go do some reading about the Opeche Shale, work the math and chemistry, as well as the physics and then respond. You won't be preparedd otherwise. SPOILER ALERT: Genesis is not literal. Have a nice day.
@NoBS301 how dare those who write the bibile assume their words are the god's words...if what was written in bible doesn't make sense...then it's reasonable to investigate how much of it is even true...
@Gin520 Bible are not word of god. It is people written under inspiration of god. The only thing witch is word of god should be the ten commandments. Off course it helps the a member of a chain of prophets going back to Moses. And the word you write risk being throwing out of priest on church-meetings if it does not fit in with the rest, they already thrown out 7 books, still they call bible word of god.
Listen as they describe him as 'looking like a sumerian...perhaps wearing a kilt'...How do we know what a sumerian looks like? This documentary shows them looking like current day iraqi's giving the impression they must have looked like that years ago - that would mean no racial mixing has occured in 5000 years. Its rubbish. The only logical explanation is it was early white groups from the north. Even our 5 day week is derived from old Norse gods. The reason the pyramimd is on the dollar bill.
@richyrik1 you belive in a great imaginary friend. if u don't belive in science begin on throwing out your cellphone, car, computer, fridgerator, Tv, why? because your imaginary friend is more than science.
your lost...tooo much science on your mind......you should read mooore bible book because you know why???it was jehovah that made these computer and all tthose electric things you said....god made before man
you sure..then who created the earth you live in??who made you live???who give you food and everything that you needed???AND WHO MADE BRAINS TO MAKE GODS TECHNOLOGY???whos the dumb now moron
@richyrik1 You are just filling the gaps of your knowledge with religion, that makes you happy because you don't have to think for yourself. I personally don't care if you think your imaginary friend made the universe, but at least give the goddamn credit of technology to those who made them.
and you are just filling stupid technology on your brains too without thinking who give you life stupid shit...at least i know something who created all things while you just sit around saying IMAGINARY FRIEND....and this imaginary you say is not just imaginary but a creator,AND A HOLY MAN
Quote:"at least i know something who created all things while you just sit around saying IMAGINARY FRIEND"
So in your opinion, "knowing" what created all things, or should I say thinking that you know, makes you right. So by your criteria, every religion is good, because almost all religion "know" who created everything. I don't think you realize, but "knowing" who created the universe is fucking pretentious. What makes you more right than the others?
PRETENCIUOS???wait...why the fuck are you waching this then???and i say about any religion???no.......why are youu sill alive???you should be fuckin dead by now...THATS WHY I CALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU...THE CONFUSE PEOPLE
@richyrik1 I'm sad you can't read a comment properly, I wonder how you can even read the bible. By the lack of cohesion in your arguments I would say that you are the confused one. Don't bother answering if you want to spread your ignorance once again. And by the way, this vulgarity in your language doesn't give you much credibility for a so called "christian".
Once again, yes you are pretentious ( not pretenciuos). You barely know how to read, you don't know who created the world for sure.
and im sad..no wait im not sad im just really sad that your confuse and don't know the word GOD.....and i think your not christian......you need some friends in your lost life dude...LIKE IMAGINARY FRIEND O__O
this is such disInformation B/S i have heard in a long time..they sure spend alot of money trying to disprove God and The Bible lol..They don;t believe but they fight like the Devil to disprove..They leave off with lie's all can be proven and has
@TheJohnFrum There is no such thing as what you call priets, you would think that if the bible was written by the elite that it would support the things the elite want, there is no such thing as priests of people who are closer to god that anyone else.
@darrellmellissa I bet you voted for Bush, $150 oil and 2 wars. dip shit.
And you think we all came off a boat. IDiot.
Which one of Noah's pure noble family members had crabs, herpes, syphilis and Chlamydia since most human diseases including STDs can't survive outside the human body?
@gregrutz When did I say we came off a boat, thou it is possiable there was a boat and that other survived on high ground,,sickness survive and are transmitted many from animals,
lol, hahaha, that man said that it the ancient hebrew language has one word for Earth and land, and that was a local flood; hahaha, lol, what a dumb man, why God said to Noah to build that big ark, tell Noah to MOVE. lol, hahaha, local flood,
wow all of a sudden noahs ark landed in modern day iraq its funny how it doesnt mention nothing like that in the bible and i wanted to add a extra history lesson to u imbecils not only did noahs ark land on mt ararat in Armenia, Armenians themselvs r the first christain race nation country etc...all these documentrys about the bible or christianity that dont mention the Armenian people in general should go fuck them selfs. this is the type of shit that always keeps Armenians a sercet fuck yall.
They say that the word used for land in the Bible meant just for a local flood, not a global one. But if you look at the context of that part in the Bible, you'll clearly know that the word used refers to the whole earth.
The LORD saw how bad the people on earth were and that everything they thought and planned was evil. He was very sorry that he had made them,
(Gen6:5-6) If even they'll say that the word for land used in those verses would mean just the local land, then the 6th verse will
clarify it saying, "He was very sorry He created them."
Also, the script found in Mesopotamia doesn't mean that the Scriptures' story was a made up exaggeration. It could only confirm that there was really a flood. And trying to check on other cultures like the Chinese, you'll find a really interesting stuff. The Chinese character for ship actually is a combination of the characters: boat + eight+ mouth. So unlikely to have such a character! What could that mean? If you'll
continue to read on the book of Genesis, you'll find in chapter 11 that all the people originally spoke just one language but then they start to make something really foolish so God confused their language and there comes the different languages that we have. But surely, the story of how God purified humanity was kept. Though maybe they don't know how to speak to each other, they know what has been passed down for it was not much a generation that passed after the flood. If one
would check out the stuffs of different cultures, you'll find out that they have something to say about a flood. Would that mean that the flood wasn't global? Surely, it gives a clue that it is something that is history on the earth.
Also, trying to change the perspective of the kind of Noah that is in the Sumerian/Mesopotamian texts doesn't just makes sense to me, personally. Like, how would a story of a lucky merchant surviving an unexpected flood ever mean to my life? But in
the Bible story of Noah, I found a lot of fresh insights for my life, it is relevant to life unlike to the story of the Persian merchant. It shows me insights about faith, hope, endurance, and other deeper things that are more important to life than living comfortably with technology or having food to eat, clothe to wear or house to rest on.
And finally, I think this is a really old video. :) There is actually a discovery made by Ron Wyatt that will shut up all those criticals
Uh...sorry to break this to you, but this was made long AFTER Ron Wyatt died. Also the crosses on the stone Ron Wyatt found make no sense given that the cross wasn't seen a holy symbol until after the recorded death of Jesus.
yeah. you're right! :) Ron Wyatt's discovery is old, it's even older than me. And there are people who claims that they found the REAL Noah's ark at mt Ararat itself. I don't need to be confused about their discoveries though. I'm not that much interested to these discoveries now. :) But when it catch my attention, it fascinates me. :)
Personally I take the bible more as a moral reference written be people had no idea a little call the ice age or even how lightening or earth quakes happen, rather than a full blown historical fact. I also think the teaching in the Lost gospels of the bible would probably be more appealing to people of our more modern age than they back in the days they were written. An entire doc is posted here on youtube just search for 'Lost gospels,' check out if you're interested
Ron Wyatt has been exposed as the lying fraud he was. This is also agreed upon by Christians and senior scholars of his own church ("the Seven-day Adventists").
To check this just Google his name together with "tentmaker" and "fraud". Or read "Holy Relics or Revelation" by Russell R. Standish and Colin D. Standish.
So they get rid of the global flood, the size of the ark, the number of animals and even NOAH - So basically get rid of all the facts then - LOLOLOLOL
ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE - if this is science it should be on the Disney channel
If the bible is perfect...why is there so many different versions of the bible not to mention the hundreds of other religeous texts and thousands of religeons. Which religeon is correct...wait let me guess...its your because you believe it. The sumerians invented the modern world but they believed in aliens. If u ask me, and nobody is, religeon is a joke meant to be played on the ignorent.
look up Lake Agassiz and the 8.2 kiloyear event scientific proof of worldwide flooding, not necessarily the whole world covered in water, but severe localized flooding in areas all over the globe
That is not at all true. The icecaps only existed close to the poles! Lake Agasiz was big about 1.5 M km(^2) but that just about 4 times the size of the Caspian Sea and it had a volume of about 15 Lake Supperior or so. This is a big LOCAL event but it does not a worlwide event make.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is not the Word of God. You can't re-write the Bible using other historical documents. The Bible says of itself that it is complete and final, perfect in itself. Which makes sense: the word of a perfect god must itself be perfect.
The Bible was written over 1000 years AFTER the epic of Gilgamesh. The Noah's story is a plagiarised version of the *earlier* Babylonian and Sumerian ones. Secondly the Bible isn't "perfect". It was written by humans, it contains contradictions, it was edited many times and a lot of the original books where removed. This happened both in the New Testament and in the Old Testament.
@Draugh39 If you look at the Bible as being written by humans, then yes, its easy to assume its imperfect. But the Bible is God-breathed, every detail inspired by Him. And as for the 'contradictions', most are simply passages taken out of context. There are some passages, yes, that do seem to blatantly condratict and oppose other Scriptures, but if one was to actually study the framework surrounding such passages, the contradictions would be irraticated.
If you actually studied the history of the Bible and how it was composed then you would know that it is written by men with their own agenda.
The birth of Jesus is given at 2 different points in time (During the reign if Herod and after the same). The two lineages of Jesus given do not agree. The resurrection story does not agree etc. etc. This is NOT perfect and obviously not written inspired by an all-powerful deity.
@Draugh39 No, the lineages of Christ do not line up name for name, and there are very plausible explanations for that. The most common, simplified, easiest-to-understand is that one is Joseph's and the other's Mary's. A more in-depth study reveals that lineages in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, did not necessarily list every single person in the line, which was common in that era. To have painstakenly list every single person in a family was not common in that day and age.
The simplest and most logical one is that at least one or both lists were made up. Mary's father and mother (Joachim and Anne) are given in the apocrypha and do not agree with either list.
But that's beside the point. This clearly shows that the Bible isn't written under the influence of an all-powerful being (who would have had no problem of knowing the lineage of Jesus and to tell that to the author).
@Draugh39 The Apocrypha is not the Bible. The Bible has stood the test of time and still remains a relevant source today. The Apocrypha is the exact opposite: writings that haven't passed this test, and have fallen out of our culture.
Besides, whoever said a perfect Word requires every detail documented. God didn't need to provide us with solid evidence of anything, because then we wouldn't require faith. And no, I am not implying the Bible is untrustworthy. Faith is the root of Christianity.
You really need to learn how the Bible was put together. What was considered to be apocrypha was decided by people during the political infighting amongst the various Christian groups and was partly settled during the First Council of Nicaea. One of the most influential in how it was put together was Eusebius of Caesarea. He is referred to by the Historian Jacob Burckhardt (and others) as "...the first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity".
"Besides, whoever said a perfect Word requires every detail documented."
If you claim that a perfect omnipotent God guided the writing of the Bible, then why do you have contradictions in it?
The logical answer is that it was written and edited by men, for political and religious reasons and that it is no more true than the "Iliad" or the Norse "Edda".
@Draugh39 Thats just it, there are no contradictions. People can take anything and twist it around to make them say something completely differnet, just by changing the context. As for the other ancient writings you listed, theres a very important fact you left out. Historical documents were not just copied and pasted through the generations. They were cross-referenced with other manuscripts to ensure they were being copied correctly.
@MutantWalMartGreeter Now, we have 643 manuscripts of Homer's Iliad, and popular culture has generally accepted it as a legitimate historical document. The Bible has over 25,000 manuscripts discovered, 5,600 of which are in original Greek. So if you think about it, its rather ridiculous to presume the Bible is so untrustworthy when we so quickly trust some Greek poem with over 40 times less evidence of credibility.
If you have to statements in the Bible that are contrary then you have a contradiction. This true by definition. You have two accounts of Jesus lineage, they do not agree, thus a contradiction. The apologetics try to get rid of this contradiction but fails as it has support for this in the Bible. The same is true with Jesus birth, two accounts are given and they do not agree, thus a contradiction.
@Draugh39 The true definition of a contradiciton is not two things that differ, but two things that cannot both be true. Just because Jesus's birth accounts are not word-for-word similar, that does not file them as contradictory. If you think about it, if the synoptic gospels all depicted the exact same events, we would discredit them as plagarized copies of one individual's testimony.
Actually they do contradict one another as *both* of them clearly list Jesus lineage through Joseph. They do not list it through Mary. Mathew 1:16 clearly spells out the the father of Joseph was called "Jacob". Luke 3:23 states just as clearly that Josephs father was called "Heli". That is a contradiction.
What you are trying to do is "apologetics" but your claim has no support in the Bible at all. Also the James states that Marys' parents where Joachim and Anne.
@Draugh39 The same applies to the linage debate. Just because they are dissimilar doesn't mean they are false. Ancient geneaologies were recorded differently then they are now. Since women had low social influence, if a family had no male heir to inherit the family name, a son-in-law could decide to carry it on for them. This could very well be the case of Joseph, whom appears to have two fathers between the geneaologies. In this way, Mary's line is described in Luke, and Joseph's in Matthew.
There are many changes and additions in the Bible the most obvious is in Mark. The oldest version we have of that gospel end at Mark 16:8. Later versions of that gospel include the verses 9-20, not present in the older manuscripts.
The same is true with John 7:53-8:11, it does not appear in the earliest manuscript and it is accepted that this was added later.
This shows clearly that things were not copied correctly (as you claim it was)
@Draugh39 You do raise an interesting point. We have historical evidence supporting both sides of this issue. There are manuscripts for both these texts that include these verses, and there are individuals who quoted these passages as early as the second century. But at the same time, we have manuscripts without the said passages, as well as individuals who have made no reference to their existence. However, by no means does this alone discredit the Bible.
@Draugh39 But think of it outside of just the Bible for a minute. We have two accounts of Hannibal crossing the Alps to attack Rome. They are incompatible with each other, yet every historican accepts and believes that Hannibal really did attack Rome (Yes, there's other evidence outside of these accounts to back them up, but there is also corroborative evidence for the Bible). But still, these incompatibilities are not contradicting. They are simply showing different angles of the story.
"but there is also corroborative evidence for the Bible".
There is no corroborating evidence for Jesus lineage outside of the Bible. There isn't even any contemporary sources that show that he even existed! And please don't bring up the Testimonium Flavianum by Josephus; that is most likely a forgery.
@Draugh39 The Testimonium Flavianum is no forgery; however, it has been tainted by interpolations from the early church. But, if you remove the suspected verses, you are left with an account depicting Jesus as a 'wise man', performing 'wonders', and taught 'truth'. Sounds alot like the Jesus of the Bible. Now, if you are dead set against any account from Josephus, I can move on.
@MutantWalMartGreeter Tacitus: a Roman historian attributed to be one of the best of his time. He records in 64 A.D. of the rapid spread of Christianity. Justin Martyr: provides an account of Pilate's condemnation of Christ, accurate to the Bible's. Julius Africanus: cites the first century historian Thallus (a non-Christian), trying to explain the darkness at the time of Jesus's death (Luke 23:44-45). Africanus also refers to Phlegon, who obseved this, and a severe earthquake (Matt. 27:51).
The passage in Tacitus Annals 15.44, the word "chrestianos" ( i.e. "the good"), has been overwritten as christianos ("the Christians") by a later hand (11 century). That has been shown forensically by Dr. Ida Giovanna Rao, head of the manuscript office at Biblioteca Medicea Laurenziana. So that is a proven forgery.
The earliest mention of Thallus is from late 2nd century. There are no surviving manuscripts from him and the quote contributed to him is a paraphrasing claimed to be made by the Christian writer Julius Africanus, but the actual text is from the 9th century churchman Georgius Syncellus so it is 3rd had at best.
Plegon (2nd century) reports about an earth quake, but that is in Bithynia at the Black Sea (~800 km away from Jerusalem).
I forgot to address you claim about "Justin Martyr":
He was a Christian apologetic that lived 103–165 CE. Pilate is mentioned in his First Apology, Chapter 13 (written about 150-155 CE) and he only refer to the Christian Doctrine he himself was a believer of in regards to this. He is not contemporary and is obviously not independent.
what the heck with the fuckin video? its all pixelated and grainy. I couldn't see important parts
HitmanKillsIslam 4 days ago
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Listen(0:52) how the narrator pronounces "Iraq". I wonder if he would read "Iraqi" people, "Italy" and "Italian" in the same way. One is supposed to read Eraq and Etaly, these being exceptions from the rule. Discovery Channel, please! Some of your employees are too arrogant for what they really know about since and the biblical writings. I am yet to hear a specialist in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek to explain the meaning of some of the words use to refer to the flood.
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Rain did cause the flooding, it was the tilting of the earth, waters was displaced from former oceans to early cities and civilization causing tsunamis and flooding. Rain and storm was weather anomaly during the tilting of the earth. The Grand Canyon maybe a barren land but studies shows it was an ocean few years ago.
gregnibiru 1 month ago
I'm Noah's descendant.
DeepSetEyesDance 1 month ago
@DeepSetEyesDance Yes, we all came off a boat 4400 years ago. So did the dinosarus but everyone died because they had nothing to eat, everything was dead and covered with mud.
gregrutz 1 day ago
The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth.-Genesis 7:18-23 proves :38-:46 wrong
Jdubois93 1 month ago
@Jdubois93 This video isn't trying to prove the Flood myth is true as it stands.
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord Yes, the video is correct, there is no evidence for a silly flood.
gregrutz 1 day ago
very bad quality of the video, lost my time coz cant see anythings
patlab555 2 months ago
why no clues to noahs arc discovered?, there are this ship in the mountain of ararat , also many other things found, some crosses and so on.. look in youtube part 1- 6
k0it123 3 months ago
@TerrenceTriple81
You remind me of the early church fathers who claimed that it was the pagans who ripped off Christianity of one doctrine or ritual after another, when they could be found in myths predating it by hundreds or even thousands of years!
The ancient Israelites obviously borrowed the story while captive in Babylon.
SpaceOdyssey56 3 months ago
This piece of Epos evidence is just a prove that Gilgamesh believed, or at least heard about the BIBLE NOAH STORY, the real ark story!! His version is a false copy!! So simple..
TerenceTriple81 3 months ago
I AM A WOMAN: But how come?, When I marry I loose my name, I loose my religion ( I am Anglican, but he his Catholic, so I MUST CONVERT, not the other way around). He is a MR, but I am defined as a Miss, MS or MRS?. I raise his brats and get no pay?, he calls me names, disrespects me (at any given opportunity in public). I can't further my education, because all of a sudden "THERE IS NO MONEY FOR ME" . He roots around because I'm a harpie? and want to be treated like a human being?.
starquant 3 months ago
@starquant It could be worse. Imagine you had been born in an Islamic fundy place like Iran.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@starquant What kind of bullshit country do you live in , sounds like you are living 200 years back in time.
roffpoff 3 months ago
@roffpoff not clap trap,,, get off your computer and go and actually see what is happening world wide to Females. Are you so ill informed, you actually have no idea?. I suggest you see stats from United Nations and Amnesty International. Knowledge is power.
starquant 3 months ago
@starquant well sorry me, if you have a miserable life , it all you to blame , you have chosen the life you are living , if not move o a country where they have womens rights equal to men , there are plenty to choose from, grow up and take some responsibility for your life. have you missed the year 2011?, we have fought trough womens right nearly 100 years.
roffpoff 3 months ago
@roffpoff lol, Blame a Female. I curse you and your family. You don't understand anything else. Your next 5 generations WILL ALL BE FEMALE... LIVE WITH IT.
starquant 3 months ago
@starquant What about blame yourself , and start taking responsibility , what does this have to do with genders ?
roffpoff 3 months ago
starquant: please grow up , take a divorse , move to the civilized world, start living the life you really want . It is not about male and females , but what you want.
roffpoff 3 months ago
@roffpoff correct spelling is D I V O R C E. I'm going to resort to Ad Hominem with you, because your a tosser. FUCK OFF AND GO AND SMELL THE DAISES YOU USELESS WANKER.
starquant 2 months ago
@starquant ok sir
roffpoff 2 months ago 2
well the ratings suggest there are more creationist than evolutionist.
ORIANA250 4 months ago
@ORIANA250 So?
InternetDarkLord 4 months ago
WOW....their findings are awesome. Disproving the other's story but not giving any proof for their own. When they say the archaeologists said this or that......based on what evidence?
khanTatifur 4 months ago
I thought the Venetians invented accounting, not the Sumerians?
lunarstone101 4 months ago
How to find 6000 year old wood ? should it not be rotten looong time ago?
roffpoff 5 months ago 2
@roffpoff Depending on alot of factors, the wood usually becomes petrified by absorbing minerals from it's surroundings. There's wood millions of years old. Check out the Gray Fossil Site in east Tennessee on the web.
bheadh 5 months ago
@roffpoff u have a point, it is called petrfied wood and it is not a wood, it is like fossile of the wood
haimaref007 3 months ago
bull shit documentary
BUFALAU 5 months ago
Look at all those dislikes. Some are just creatards, but I wonder whether some are people who make their living by conning "tithe" money from the rubes.
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
in those days they were all men of color!!! not a white man tryna look like an indian!!! tell the whole truth!!! the garden of eden was round ethiopia, so where did all this other stuff come from? the so called writters of the bible!! hmmmmm or the translators? the "mother land" true pyramids were built for their kings and queens!!! after yall took them and made them build half ass pyramids for yall, no wonder you still tryna figure out how/why!!! you forced love!!
SuperPhive 6 months ago
@SuperPhive What are you smoking?
It looks like fun!
InternetDarkLord 6 months ago
The history of Sumer and Egypt both begin before the Bible says the flood happened, about 4400 years ago. They somehow survived.
InternetDarkLord 7 months ago
@RcWorld7 Yeah, that's what I think. People came along and only named "parts" of the world. Like,"These are the Great Smokey 'Mountains'" But later on each "mountain" got it's own name in the Smokey Mountains. makes sense that the Bible would say "Mountains" of Ararat.
SnowBunnieSqueakyToy 8 months ago
@SnowBunnieSqueakyToy There are no ''Mountains'' of Ararat. Mount Ararat, a snow-capped, dormant volcanic cone, it is not part of a mountain range. ONE mountain.
gregrutz 6 months ago
@gregrutz You're right. But the point is if I'm in New York and have never been to Colorado, I'll say something like,"you know, the mountain's of Denver." That's doesn't mean I'm talking about a mountain range, I'm just talking about a specific area. Ararat and Judi and about 10 miles apart. The guy who wrote Genesis was from Egypt and said "the mountains of Ararat" he knew the boat was in that area but he didn't say which mountain.
SnowBunnieSqueakyToy 6 months ago
@SnowBunnieSqueakyToy I am from Washington. We have a volcano named Mt Rainier. It is one mountain. It makes no sense to say the ''Mountains of Rainier'' Ararat is a volcano too, there are not mountains of Ararat, there in only one volcano.
And the point is there is no evidence for a global flood anyway.
gregrutz 6 months ago
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4) The Bible says the ark rested in the "mountains of Ararat." The ark was found 15 miles from Mount Ararat on Mount Judi. Even the Quran says it rested upon Mount Judi. See for yourself: youtube.com/watch?v=QVCvzGr7h1g
5) The Sumerians lived way after the time of the flood
6) The dead sea scroll are older and they have an accurate account.
SnowBunnieSqueakyToy 8 months ago
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Why this is wrong:
1) If it wasn't a worldwide flood, why would Noah need to build a boat then?
2) If the flood story isn't true then how come almost every nation has their own version of the story; The Chinese, Aztecs, Arabs, Babylonians, Hebrews, Hawaiians, ect?
3) If the animals were babies you would have more room and most carnivores don't eat meat when they're little. Also there probably wouldn't have been as many types.
SnowBunnieSqueakyToy 8 months ago
@fernieboy100 WRONG AGAIN! We do know that this is an evaporite deposit - pollen and bromine counts, remember? You can read, right? Tell you what, I'll let you leave gracefully if you will just admit that you don't understand what's being discussed here. You are quite ignorant, and happily so it appears. That's OK. Canada needs burger flippers too. Either that or you are a POE
NorthForkFisher
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisher I am not taking the bait - i don't need to resort to insults - I already have the truth not a false hypothesis. I don't want to be proud and cocky about all this. - i wont throw stones or act superior. Not my thing. We know how often science has changed its tune and how many times mistakes have been made over the years so its definitely not a solid rock by any means. For 2000 years they taught that heavy objects fall faster than light objects lol - evolution is a religion
fernieboy100 9 months ago
Shame on discovery channel for doubting Gods word and replacing it with this ridiculous documentary. I am glad I saw this so that now I know what team discovery channel plays for. I will be sure to let everyone know and I think its great that so many people did not like this documentary - that is a good sign that people are not falling for cleverly written documentaries that come from those pushing propaganda and trying to bring doubt to Gods word - nice try discovery channel but you get a FAIL.
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 >"Shame on discovery channel for doubting Gods word"
Homeschooled?
smarthandsomeguy 9 months ago
@smarthandsomeguy homeschooled ? me ? no I went to public school - when you compare Gods word to the teachings of men all kinds of false things are exposed by the bible its awesome.
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 Really? How awesome is it? Can it explain about 9 trillion cu meters of salt? Maybe if you had paid attention in those classes you might have actually learned something. Critical thinking perhaps? Hell, I'd settle learning some chemistry and math, but it's too much to ask apparently. Canada used to have a decent school system, but now it's much like the LCD schools of the States.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman You wouldn't understand - because pride gets in the way of learning - so your basicaly stuck with the teachings of men. Enjoy
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 You mean that you're simply not articulate enough to string together a concise narrative that based in any way upon reality so you'll now retreate in to some fantasy world where you're privy to some special knowledge? Yeah, that's called delusional or magical thinking. Usually found among those with a schizotypal disorder. Very common among YECers. Put up or shut up.This is about what you have evidence for.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherm There is all kinds of evidence for a flood but if your blind you won't see the massive canyons that exist on every continent - the massive ancient river deltas that are now prime farmland - the petrified trees and petrified forests that became that way because water flooded the earth - sea fossils on the tops of mountains. You act smart but you actually dont have a clue what your even talking about - explain to me the petrified trees that run through all layers of strata then
fernieboy100 9 months ago
Thats right you can't explain it because everyone knows trees dont stand for millions of years - now its your turn to back up your big mouth and tell us your evidence - please say glaciers caused it - make this easy for me lol - you need to do your homework before coming in here acting like Mr. know it all
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 Aw. what's a matter? Getting your feelings hurt? Posting but not replying. Gee, that seems rather cowardly. I've done the homework, and it's mostly math, and it says Genesis is not literal. Too bad for those who would read it otherwise. So can you explain 9 trillion cu meters of NaCl, or not?
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Where on earth are you getting your math from ? My feelings are not hurt lol - i have heard guys like you hundreds of times - you all have the same pompous attitude with nothing to back it up. You claim you have evidence but you don't thats why you guys are always failing at finding a common ancestor - with a series of proven frauds to show what your camp is all about. no transitional evidence - just claims that fossils from complete animals are transitional when they AREN'T
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 It's seems you're missing the point: I'm talking geology (inorganic processes), you're talking biology (organic processes). Perhaps if I used smaller words? Hmmm. Does YT have a big red crayon option? You do know the difference, right? Or am I going to have to school you on that too?
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Ofcourse geology and biology are different - are you kidding me ? you think you're on to something ? ha ha
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 Well you are able to make some progress then. Nice suprise. Now, about those 9 trillion cu meters of salt? Exactly what chapter and verse provides sufficent information to explain that without having an alternate explanation using natural causes that is simpler? Thus far, I've not been impressed, so now's your chance to shine.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 Well f-boy, you've had 48 hrs to go run to AiG to cut and paste something in response. And.....nothing. Which is good, because like I responded on that video of yours, the flood myth is falsified by the examination of that one formation: the Opeche Shale. And it's not even the biggest one of it's type. Evaporites, caliches, and anhydrites all show the dessication required for them to form. The amount of heat required couldn't happen during the flood of Genesis. More YEC Fail.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Get off your high horse dude - you reak of foolish pride - acting like you know everything - thats pretty funny because the smarter a person gets the more they realize they don't know as much as they thought - but in your case you think you know it all and have all the answers - your giving yourself away that you actually don't know jack. There is evidence all over the world of the flood - glaciers could not have done those things but your too blind to see or understand.
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 No, what you sense is knowledge. Something all you YECers/IDiots truely fear. Because you can't control someone who knows that you're bullshitting them. I notice that you've not tried to debunk, much less adress the basis of my argument. Which is wise, since you've neither the evidence to support your claims, or the mental armament to use it. So I'll ask you one last time....can you explain 9 trillion cu meters of evaporite salt in the Opeche Shale? C'mon, at least try.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@North I don't know the explanation for all that salt at this point - but I know that sometimes chemical reactions take place when elements are mixed together in a solution - and in a flood situation it would be no different than mixing different elements together in a beaker in a laboratory. We know that many of the elements are in the soil and earth - and that the earth has certain places where one substance is in higher concentrations than in other areas -i.e coal seams - uranium
fernieboy100 9 months ago
So maybe certain chemical reactions took place in one area that did not take place in another - I know I don't have all the answers but I think if someone thinks they do have all the answers that they are only fooling themself - it's good to look at all the evidence and not to rush to a conclusion which ends up in a false hypothesis of what actually took place - with that said I have to say that Gods word never ever fails - so in the end it will be onvious a worldwide flood really did take place
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 So maybe this and maybe that? And then more of your empty opinion? That's really pathetic - you're guessing. No, I can't even call it guessing - you're making shit up and hoping no one notices how ignorant you are. Too bad. We did notice and will not abide fools. Organized reglion was invented the day the first rogue met the first fool.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisher How do you know that the salt did not react with something in the earth in those areas ? You are guessing too - you don't know for a fact what happenned there either so stop pretending that the case is closed. It is possible that the salt reacted and joined to some mineral or element in the earth and then when the earths topograpthy changed and the water went elsewhere - the salt stayed behind - psalms 104 tells us the earths topograpthy changed - and the water went elsewhere
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@ Northforkfisher So if what the bible says is true - then the water moved out of those areas because of massive techtonic plate shifting - not evaporation - it would be like pouring out a glass of water as compared to waiting for the glass of water to evaporate.
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 Nice. Little wonder I haven't seen a response from you - you truncated the response tags so I would NOT be notified and therefore not respond. What a chickenshit move. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just call it an oversight on your behalf and not a intended act. So now I get to go back and review these and respond accordingly.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 Because of the chmical nature of NaCl and the bromine count was very low (2-70 ppm) indicating on land accumation and evaporation. Additionally, the palyonological data shows that this was surface depostion, not an offshore, or otherwise marine deposit. And any topology change in itself would've released even more heat to an already untentable theortical postion. In otherwords, you're still guessing.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 Now I've got just one more little gem for you to try to consider - the Michgan Basin. That's all I'll say about that. take some time. read up on what it is composed of and how that might apply in this case. And remember this, there are hundreds of evaporite deposits all over the world that show the flood myth is just that - a myth. The Earth has no agenda.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman alright i will look up the michigan basin - but i want you to look up the petrified forest national park in arizona - it is an ancient river delta full of petrified tress that do not even grow in that area - the hundreds of petrified trees were deposited there from the flood - you should see the pictures of them - they are all over the place in that spot
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 You mean kind of like what we see in the outflow from the Toutle River after Mt. St. Helens? Yeah, wrote a paper on that back in '84 for my High School Earth Sciences course. Got an A+. Big whoop. A river delta. You do know we're talking about things that disprove the flood. Thanks providing further proof even if you can't understand it. Let's stay on the subject of salt and heat, if you can. We'll talk biomass later.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
Okay well what more do you want to say about salt and heat ? there is a massive salt deposit lol - its not like it is impossible for a salt deposit to happen after a flood - and you don't know if it evaporated ot not - i said the techtonic plates shifted like the bible says and the water went elsehwere - into the deep lakes and ocean pools and underground springs that filter up to the tops of mountains through capillary action. the salt joined to other minerals and was left behind possibly
fernieboy100 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 "I don't know the explanation for all that salt at this point" Well, that's a little bit of truth that finally pours from your lips. There might be hope for you yet. I really doubt it, but it is quite possile you will have some education after all. In fact, let's start that education now: The Opeche Shale is part of a formation that runs from the Dakotas down to Texas. in it's deepest parft (the Williston Basin) is a deposit of Permian evaporite salt (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 The thickness of this deposit is 91 meters. And the area of deposition is 188,400 sq km. dividing by 2 to get an average we are left with about 9 trillion cu meters of NaCl. Now salt has a known density of 2,160 kg/m^3, so this represents the evaporation of 540,000 cubic kilometers of seawater. And since the amount of heat energy to evaporate water is a known fact, it requires 10^24 joules of heat energy to create this formation. (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 Now that amount of heat is more than twice what is required to raise the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere to over 100 deg C. Ergo, Noah, had he existed, would've been cooked like a lobster in a pot. And since we're going on what is evidence: Wilgus, Cheryl K. and William T. Holser, 1984. "Marine and Nonmarine Salts of Western Interior, United States," AAPG Bulletin. p. 765-766. Find any college level text on chemistry for the rest. Thus endeth the lesson.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 They figured that out over 143 years ago. What did you miss the memo? Silly ape decendant. Dawson, J.W., 1868. Acadian Geology. The Geological Structure, Organic Remains, and Mineral Resources of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island, 2nd edition. MacMillan and Co.: London, 694pp.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
@fernieboy100 I'll give you a hint, since I'm a bit tired and feeling generaous today. Go do some reading about the Opeche Shale, work the math and chemistry, as well as the physics and then respond. You won't be preparedd otherwise. SPOILER ALERT: Genesis is not literal. Have a nice day.
NorthForkFisherman 9 months ago
it would not be the first time the Bible has been re-written
jamesHoughton1978 9 months ago
This video is trying to rewrite the bible. Noah was a humble man.
SuperPluto10 9 months ago
HOW DARE THEY TRY TO QUESTION THE BIBLE AND GODS WAY
NoBS301 10 months ago
@NoBS301 how dare those who write the bibile assume their words are the god's words...if what was written in bible doesn't make sense...then it's reasonable to investigate how much of it is even true...
Gin520 9 months ago
@Gin520 Bible are not word of god. It is people written under inspiration of god. The only thing witch is word of god should be the ten commandments. Off course it helps the a member of a chain of prophets going back to Moses. And the word you write risk being throwing out of priest on church-meetings if it does not fit in with the rest, they already thrown out 7 books, still they call bible word of god.
roffpoff 5 months ago
Listen as they describe him as 'looking like a sumerian...perhaps wearing a kilt'...How do we know what a sumerian looks like? This documentary shows them looking like current day iraqi's giving the impression they must have looked like that years ago - that would mean no racial mixing has occured in 5000 years. Its rubbish. The only logical explanation is it was early white groups from the north. Even our 5 day week is derived from old Norse gods. The reason the pyramimd is on the dollar bill.
paulscape72 11 months ago
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- If you work on a Sabbath, you should be killed [Exodus 31:15]
- If your son disobeys you, murder him [Deut 21:18 -21]
- Sell your daughter into slavery to pay the bills [Exodus 21:7]
- If your children curse you, kill them [Lev. 20:9]
- Women are subservient, they must remain silent [1 Tim 2:11-12]
- Slaves must perform any act you wish [Titus 2:9]
Santiagofigueroa2010 1 year ago
i don't believe in science...but i BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE AND JEHOVAHS WORDS IN THE BIBLE
richyrik1 1 year ago
@richyrik1 you belive in a great imaginary friend. if u don't belive in science begin on throwing out your cellphone, car, computer, fridgerator, Tv, why? because your imaginary friend is more than science.
Santiagofigueroa2010 1 year ago
@Santiagofigueroa2010
your lost...tooo much science on your mind......you should read mooore bible book because you know why???it was jehovah that made these computer and all tthose electric things you said....god made before man
richyrik1 1 year ago
@richyrik1 I don't think that god made computer, or telephone you moron...
Davidbasque15 1 year ago
@Davidbasque15
you sure..then who created the earth you live in??who made you live???who give you food and everything that you needed???AND WHO MADE BRAINS TO MAKE GODS TECHNOLOGY???whos the dumb now moron
richyrik1 1 year ago
@richyrik1 You are just filling the gaps of your knowledge with religion, that makes you happy because you don't have to think for yourself. I personally don't care if you think your imaginary friend made the universe, but at least give the goddamn credit of technology to those who made them.
Davidbasque15 1 year ago
@Davidbasque15
and you are just filling stupid technology on your brains too without thinking who give you life stupid shit...at least i know something who created all things while you just sit around saying IMAGINARY FRIEND....and this imaginary you say is not just imaginary but a creator,AND A HOLY MAN
richyrik1 1 year ago
@richyrik1 You don't have any arguments.
Quote:"at least i know something who created all things while you just sit around saying IMAGINARY FRIEND"
So in your opinion, "knowing" what created all things, or should I say thinking that you know, makes you right. So by your criteria, every religion is good, because almost all religion "know" who created everything. I don't think you realize, but "knowing" who created the universe is fucking pretentious. What makes you more right than the others?
Davidbasque15 1 year ago
@Davidbasque15
PRETENCIUOS???wait...why the fuck are you waching this then???and i say about any religion???no.......why are youu sill alive???you should be fuckin dead by now...THATS WHY I CALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU...THE CONFUSE PEOPLE
richyrik1 1 year ago
@richyrik1 I'm sad you can't read a comment properly, I wonder how you can even read the bible. By the lack of cohesion in your arguments I would say that you are the confused one. Don't bother answering if you want to spread your ignorance once again. And by the way, this vulgarity in your language doesn't give you much credibility for a so called "christian".
Once again, yes you are pretentious ( not pretenciuos). You barely know how to read, you don't know who created the world for sure.
Davidbasque15 1 year ago
@Davidbasque15
and im sad..no wait im not sad im just really sad that your confuse and don't know the word GOD.....and i think your not christian......you need some friends in your lost life dude...LIKE IMAGINARY FRIEND O__O
richyrik1 11 months ago
Blasphemy is irreverence toward holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, and beliefs.
truth182 1 year ago
It's Story Time, children.
YourGodsAreImaginary 1 year ago
this is such disInformation B/S i have heard in a long time..they sure spend alot of money trying to disprove God and The Bible lol..They don;t believe but they fight like the Devil to disprove..They leave off with lie's all can be proven and has
BudPeters44 1 year ago
the magnetic poles mark the axis of the spin,, So far the change is speeding up,, last I was told it was over 49 miles a day.
darrellmellissa 1 year ago
@TheJohnFrum Listen carefully as the poles move so does the eguator move and the buldge of water also moves, understand now.?
darrellmellissa 1 year ago 2
@TheJohnFrum What on earth has a magnet in a glass of water,got to do with centrificul force?
darrellmellissa 1 year ago 2
The Noah's flood was a local river flood. The whole round world was not flooded. Only the flat world of the Mesopotamians.
freedomfighterone 1 year ago
@TheJohnFrum For most phenomena like... ?
1120110 1 year ago
@TheJohnFrum Whatever, you'll see one day that I was right ;)
1120110 1 year ago
thats why they found noahs arc in turky this video is false
pimpeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 1 year ago
@pimp The point is there is no evicence for a global flood. No mud layer with all the dead bodies in it.
Floods don't make what we find, distinct layers of different kinds of rock in random order.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@TheJohnFrum You are right to be wrong!
1120110 1 year ago
@TheJohnFrum There is no such thing as what you call priets, you would think that if the bible was written by the elite that it would support the things the elite want, there is no such thing as priests of people who are closer to god that anyone else.
Xendrius 1 year ago
They are completly ignoring the flood that a pole reversal woud create.
darrellmellissa 1 year ago
@darrellmellissa Why would a pole reversal cause a flood? Gravity would not change only the magnetic field.
Are you suggesting that water would jump out the ocean due to field reversal or what?
yeudh 1 year ago
@yeudh The earth spins, centrificul force makes the earth a ovel If the poles change, the 1000 feet of water in the bulge relocates.
darrellmellissa 1 year ago
@darrellmellissa No, the earth did not change the poles. The oceans have been the same for millions of years.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz You better wake up and smell the roses,, That is pure ignorance,, I would not put it past you that you voted for Obama.
darrellmellissa 1 year ago 2
@darrellmellissa I bet you voted for Bush, $150 oil and 2 wars. dip shit.
And you think we all came off a boat. IDiot.
Which one of Noah's pure noble family members had crabs, herpes, syphilis and Chlamydia since most human diseases including STDs can't survive outside the human body?
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz When did I say we came off a boat, thou it is possiable there was a boat and that other survived on high ground,,sickness survive and are transmitted many from animals,
darrellmellissa 1 year ago 2
@darrellmellissa Obama...Noah's ark...is there something in common?
julqw2 11 months ago
@julqw2 what are you talking about ass:}
myaangeline 10 months ago
lol, hahaha, that man said that it the ancient hebrew language has one word for Earth and land, and that was a local flood; hahaha, lol, what a dumb man, why God said to Noah to build that big ark, tell Noah to MOVE. lol, hahaha, local flood,
1120110 1 year ago
@1120110
god lol ! there is no sky fairy.
assym2006 1 year ago
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1120110 1 year ago
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@assym2006 you are right to be wrong!
1120110 1 year ago
wow all of a sudden noahs ark landed in modern day iraq its funny how it doesnt mention nothing like that in the bible and i wanted to add a extra history lesson to u imbecils not only did noahs ark land on mt ararat in Armenia, Armenians themselvs r the first christain race nation country etc...all these documentrys about the bible or christianity that dont mention the Armenian people in general should go fuck them selfs. this is the type of shit that always keeps Armenians a sercet fuck yall.
FucKUrLiFeX3 1 year ago
There is no proof, all the time... this guy suggests...maybe.... this is ********
esartur 1 year ago
They say that the word used for land in the Bible meant just for a local flood, not a global one. But if you look at the context of that part in the Bible, you'll clearly know that the word used refers to the whole earth.
The LORD saw how bad the people on earth were and that everything they thought and planned was evil. He was very sorry that he had made them,
(Gen6:5-6) If even they'll say that the word for land used in those verses would mean just the local land, then the 6th verse will
animaticToshiue 1 year ago
@animaticToshiue
clarify it saying, "He was very sorry He created them."
Also, the script found in Mesopotamia doesn't mean that the Scriptures' story was a made up exaggeration. It could only confirm that there was really a flood. And trying to check on other cultures like the Chinese, you'll find a really interesting stuff. The Chinese character for ship actually is a combination of the characters: boat + eight+ mouth. So unlikely to have such a character! What could that mean? If you'll
animaticToshiue 1 year ago
@animaticToshiue
continue to read on the book of Genesis, you'll find in chapter 11 that all the people originally spoke just one language but then they start to make something really foolish so God confused their language and there comes the different languages that we have. But surely, the story of how God purified humanity was kept. Though maybe they don't know how to speak to each other, they know what has been passed down for it was not much a generation that passed after the flood. If one
animaticToshiue 1 year ago
@animaticToshiue
would check out the stuffs of different cultures, you'll find out that they have something to say about a flood. Would that mean that the flood wasn't global? Surely, it gives a clue that it is something that is history on the earth.
Also, trying to change the perspective of the kind of Noah that is in the Sumerian/Mesopotamian texts doesn't just makes sense to me, personally. Like, how would a story of a lucky merchant surviving an unexpected flood ever mean to my life? But in
animaticToshiue 1 year ago
@animaticToshiue
the Bible story of Noah, I found a lot of fresh insights for my life, it is relevant to life unlike to the story of the Persian merchant. It shows me insights about faith, hope, endurance, and other deeper things that are more important to life than living comfortably with technology or having food to eat, clothe to wear or house to rest on.
And finally, I think this is a really old video. :) There is actually a discovery made by Ron Wyatt that will shut up all those criticals
animaticToshiue 1 year ago
@animaticToshiue
Uh...sorry to break this to you, but this was made long AFTER Ron Wyatt died. Also the crosses on the stone Ron Wyatt found make no sense given that the cross wasn't seen a holy symbol until after the recorded death of Jesus.
WiseStrategist 1 year ago
@WiseStrategist
yeah. you're right! :) Ron Wyatt's discovery is old, it's even older than me. And there are people who claims that they found the REAL Noah's ark at mt Ararat itself. I don't need to be confused about their discoveries though. I'm not that much interested to these discoveries now. :) But when it catch my attention, it fascinates me. :)
animaticToshiue 1 year ago
@animaticToshiue
Personally I take the bible more as a moral reference written be people had no idea a little call the ice age or even how lightening or earth quakes happen, rather than a full blown historical fact. I also think the teaching in the Lost gospels of the bible would probably be more appealing to people of our more modern age than they back in the days they were written. An entire doc is posted here on youtube just search for 'Lost gospels,' check out if you're interested
WiseStrategist 1 year ago
@animaticToshiue
Ron Wyatt has been exposed as the lying fraud he was. This is also agreed upon by Christians and senior scholars of his own church ("the Seven-day Adventists").
To check this just Google his name together with "tentmaker" and "fraud". Or read "Holy Relics or Revelation" by Russell R. Standish and Colin D. Standish.
Draugh39 1 year ago
Hog wash! They were just as capable of building this as we are today. Maybe even more.
youtube.com/watch?v=3RX4rdhHrIc
zionram 1 year ago
@zionram uhh, no they were not, and i think scientists know more about that than you do,
elcondepatula 1 year ago
So they get rid of the global flood, the size of the ark, the number of animals and even NOAH - So basically get rid of all the facts then - LOLOLOLOL
ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE - if this is science it should be on the Disney channel
AllBellsPalsyInfo 1 year ago
@AllBellsPalsyInfo so science is okay as long as it does not oppose your dumb biblical bullshit fantasies?
elcondepatula 1 year ago
@AllBellsPalsyInfo They aren't 'facts' if you have to get rid of them in order to make sense of things.
sanechipmunks 1 year ago
If the bible is perfect...why is there so many different versions of the bible not to mention the hundreds of other religeous texts and thousands of religeons. Which religeon is correct...wait let me guess...its your because you believe it. The sumerians invented the modern world but they believed in aliens. If u ask me, and nobody is, religeon is a joke meant to be played on the ignorent.
bakkerrich1979 1 year ago
look up Lake Agassiz and the 8.2 kiloyear event scientific proof of worldwide flooding, not necessarily the whole world covered in water, but severe localized flooding in areas all over the globe
blsny213 1 year ago
@blsny213
That is not at all true. The icecaps only existed close to the poles! Lake Agasiz was big about 1.5 M km(^2) but that just about 4 times the size of the Caspian Sea and it had a volume of about 15 Lake Supperior or so. This is a big LOCAL event but it does not a worlwide event make.
Draugh39 1 year ago
The Epic of Gilgamesh is not the Word of God. You can't re-write the Bible using other historical documents. The Bible says of itself that it is complete and final, perfect in itself. Which makes sense: the word of a perfect god must itself be perfect.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
The Bible was written over 1000 years AFTER the epic of Gilgamesh. The Noah's story is a plagiarised version of the *earlier* Babylonian and Sumerian ones. Secondly the Bible isn't "perfect". It was written by humans, it contains contradictions, it was edited many times and a lot of the original books where removed. This happened both in the New Testament and in the Old Testament.
It is easy to check for yourself
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 If you look at the Bible as being written by humans, then yes, its easy to assume its imperfect. But the Bible is God-breathed, every detail inspired by Him. And as for the 'contradictions', most are simply passages taken out of context. There are some passages, yes, that do seem to blatantly condratict and oppose other Scriptures, but if one was to actually study the framework surrounding such passages, the contradictions would be irraticated.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
If you actually studied the history of the Bible and how it was composed then you would know that it is written by men with their own agenda.
The birth of Jesus is given at 2 different points in time (During the reign if Herod and after the same). The two lineages of Jesus given do not agree. The resurrection story does not agree etc. etc. This is NOT perfect and obviously not written inspired by an all-powerful deity.
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 No, the lineages of Christ do not line up name for name, and there are very plausible explanations for that. The most common, simplified, easiest-to-understand is that one is Joseph's and the other's Mary's. A more in-depth study reveals that lineages in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, did not necessarily list every single person in the line, which was common in that era. To have painstakenly list every single person in a family was not common in that day and age.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
Nope.
The simplest and most logical one is that at least one or both lists were made up. Mary's father and mother (Joachim and Anne) are given in the apocrypha and do not agree with either list.
But that's beside the point. This clearly shows that the Bible isn't written under the influence of an all-powerful being (who would have had no problem of knowing the lineage of Jesus and to tell that to the author).
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 The Apocrypha is not the Bible. The Bible has stood the test of time and still remains a relevant source today. The Apocrypha is the exact opposite: writings that haven't passed this test, and have fallen out of our culture.
Besides, whoever said a perfect Word requires every detail documented. God didn't need to provide us with solid evidence of anything, because then we wouldn't require faith. And no, I am not implying the Bible is untrustworthy. Faith is the root of Christianity.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
You really need to learn how the Bible was put together. What was considered to be apocrypha was decided by people during the political infighting amongst the various Christian groups and was partly settled during the First Council of Nicaea. One of the most influential in how it was put together was Eusebius of Caesarea. He is referred to by the Historian Jacob Burckhardt (and others) as "...the first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity".
Draugh39 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
"Besides, whoever said a perfect Word requires every detail documented."
If you claim that a perfect omnipotent God guided the writing of the Bible, then why do you have contradictions in it?
The logical answer is that it was written and edited by men, for political and religious reasons and that it is no more true than the "Iliad" or the Norse "Edda".
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 Thats just it, there are no contradictions. People can take anything and twist it around to make them say something completely differnet, just by changing the context. As for the other ancient writings you listed, theres a very important fact you left out. Historical documents were not just copied and pasted through the generations. They were cross-referenced with other manuscripts to ensure they were being copied correctly.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter Now, we have 643 manuscripts of Homer's Iliad, and popular culture has generally accepted it as a legitimate historical document. The Bible has over 25,000 manuscripts discovered, 5,600 of which are in original Greek. So if you think about it, its rather ridiculous to presume the Bible is so untrustworthy when we so quickly trust some Greek poem with over 40 times less evidence of credibility.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
If you have to statements in the Bible that are contrary then you have a contradiction. This true by definition. You have two accounts of Jesus lineage, they do not agree, thus a contradiction. The apologetics try to get rid of this contradiction but fails as it has support for this in the Bible. The same is true with Jesus birth, two accounts are given and they do not agree, thus a contradiction.
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 The true definition of a contradiciton is not two things that differ, but two things that cannot both be true. Just because Jesus's birth accounts are not word-for-word similar, that does not file them as contradictory. If you think about it, if the synoptic gospels all depicted the exact same events, we would discredit them as plagarized copies of one individual's testimony.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
Actually they do contradict one another as *both* of them clearly list Jesus lineage through Joseph. They do not list it through Mary. Mathew 1:16 clearly spells out the the father of Joseph was called "Jacob". Luke 3:23 states just as clearly that Josephs father was called "Heli". That is a contradiction.
What you are trying to do is "apologetics" but your claim has no support in the Bible at all. Also the James states that Marys' parents where Joachim and Anne.
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 The same applies to the linage debate. Just because they are dissimilar doesn't mean they are false. Ancient geneaologies were recorded differently then they are now. Since women had low social influence, if a family had no male heir to inherit the family name, a son-in-law could decide to carry it on for them. This could very well be the case of Joseph, whom appears to have two fathers between the geneaologies. In this way, Mary's line is described in Luke, and Joseph's in Matthew.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
"in this way, Mary's line is described in Luke, and Joseph's in Matthew."
No way. That was proposed by Annius of Viterbo (c. 1490 CE) but it is utterly clear from the Bible that both lineages are through Joseph.
"He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli ..." (Luke 3:23)
" Matthan the father of Jacob and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."Mathew 1:15-16)
Draugh39 1 year ago
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MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
There are many changes and additions in the Bible the most obvious is in Mark. The oldest version we have of that gospel end at Mark 16:8. Later versions of that gospel include the verses 9-20, not present in the older manuscripts.
The same is true with John 7:53-8:11, it does not appear in the earliest manuscript and it is accepted that this was added later.
This shows clearly that things were not copied correctly (as you claim it was)
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 You do raise an interesting point. We have historical evidence supporting both sides of this issue. There are manuscripts for both these texts that include these verses, and there are individuals who quoted these passages as early as the second century. But at the same time, we have manuscripts without the said passages, as well as individuals who have made no reference to their existence. However, by no means does this alone discredit the Bible.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@Draugh39 But think of it outside of just the Bible for a minute. We have two accounts of Hannibal crossing the Alps to attack Rome. They are incompatible with each other, yet every historican accepts and believes that Hannibal really did attack Rome (Yes, there's other evidence outside of these accounts to back them up, but there is also corroborative evidence for the Bible). But still, these incompatibilities are not contradicting. They are simply showing different angles of the story.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
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@MutantWalMartGreeter
"but there is also corroborative evidence for the Bible".
There is no corroborating evidence for Jesus lineage outside of the Bible. There isn't even any contemporary sources that show that he even existed! And please don't bring up the Testimonium Flavianum by Josephus; that is most likely a forgery.
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 The Testimonium Flavianum is no forgery; however, it has been tainted by interpolations from the early church. But, if you remove the suspected verses, you are left with an account depicting Jesus as a 'wise man', performing 'wonders', and taught 'truth'. Sounds alot like the Jesus of the Bible. Now, if you are dead set against any account from Josephus, I can move on.
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter Tacitus: a Roman historian attributed to be one of the best of his time. He records in 64 A.D. of the rapid spread of Christianity. Justin Martyr: provides an account of Pilate's condemnation of Christ, accurate to the Bible's. Julius Africanus: cites the first century historian Thallus (a non-Christian), trying to explain the darkness at the time of Jesus's death (Luke 23:44-45). Africanus also refers to Phlegon, who obseved this, and a severe earthquake (Matt. 27:51).
MutantWalMartGreeter 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
The passage in Tacitus Annals 15.44, the word "chrestianos" ( i.e. "the good"), has been overwritten as christianos ("the Christians") by a later hand (11 century). That has been shown forensically by Dr. Ida Giovanna Rao, head of the manuscript office at Biblioteca Medicea Laurenziana. So that is a proven forgery.
Draugh39 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
The earliest mention of Thallus is from late 2nd century. There are no surviving manuscripts from him and the quote contributed to him is a paraphrasing claimed to be made by the Christian writer Julius Africanus, but the actual text is from the 9th century churchman Georgius Syncellus so it is 3rd had at best.
Plegon (2nd century) reports about an earth quake, but that is in Bithynia at the Black Sea (~800 km away from Jerusalem).
Draugh39 1 year ago
@MutantWalMartGreeter
I forgot to address you claim about "Justin Martyr":
He was a Christian apologetic that lived 103–165 CE. Pilate is mentioned in his First Apology, Chapter 13 (written about 150-155 CE) and he only refer to the Christian Doctrine he himself was a believer of in regards to this. He is not contemporary and is obviously not independent.
Draugh39 1 year ago
@Draugh39 attempted to read your bull shit beliefs and views has given me a headache.
forbesfoofighters 1 year ago
@forbesfoofighters That was rude...... . .
Domodeath 1 year ago
@Domodeath i dont care he is clearly living in a fantasy world.
forbesfoofighters 1 year ago
@forbesfoofighters Will see whos living in a fantasy world....
Domodeath 1 year ago