Morality can never be objective. Morality is INTER-SUBJECTIVE. It takes a CONSENSUS people's opinions of what is good and what is evil to enact morals.
You know, regardless of who's correct in this whole argument, why is it that I'd rather spend time with VFX than you? The things that you were saying would scare me even if I did agree with you. There has to be something to the fact that when VFX is debating someone he does it with respect, and you can't go 5 seconds without using a swear word. If we truly are here just to enjoy life and have fun, then VFX is doing a much better job than you are
If you are making assumptions about how I live my life based on a 10 minute video, then you clearly don't care about the truth.
And no, VFX does not debate with respect. He is consistently condescending, his arguments are ripped to pieces easily, yet he never admits when he states known falsehoods are straight-up lies. He is a liar, a thief, and has no shred of honesty or integrity. If you think that you can be respectful in a debate without honesty or integrity, you're wrong.
By the way, I don't believe in profanity, it's an ancient concept with no merit. If you don't like the words I chose to use, then that's your problem. The people who are still ridiculous enough to believe in profanity can be offended when I say things, it just tips me off who the irrational people are.
By the way, He's an admitted thief who probably still lives with his parents, who by his own admission couldn't hold down a job without harassing people. You like him more? Why, because he shares your religious views?
@FearsEdge I see you're making several attacks against his character, but what's the point of that if there's no objective morality? (Which I would assume you believe as an atheist)
What's the point in pointing out that he's a liar and a thief? Because I have empathy. Do you? Do you know what it's like to be lied to or stolen from? Can you then empathize with the people who were stolen from and lied to? How does the lack of objective morality have any bearing on this? Also, I don't appreciate you attempting to change the subject. I asked you why you would rather hang out with him, seeing as his character has been publicly exposed.
@FearsEdge Your character has been publicly exposed as well. In my judgment, you're much more cold-hearted and condescending than VFX is. But that's just me after watching a couple of your videos and a couple of his, I've never personally met either of you. I would say though that it's easier to trust someone who is being held accountable to an almighty God than someone who chooses to do "good" just because they know how it feels to have "evil" done against them.
But no one is being held accountable to a god, you must know that I hold this position. So basically, you are saying you like him better because he begs forgiveness for his sins from the same imaginary sky daddy that you do. When I do something wrong, I apologize to the people I actually wronged, not my imaginary friend. You think that pretending that your invisible friend is holding you accountable is better than actually being accountable to the people who exist?
@papasazz By the way, I would like an explanation as to why you would say that my character was publicly exposed as well. The implication there is that me not giving reverence to bullshit, and treating people's religious ideas the same as I do any other idea I find to be ridiculous, is somehow in the same league as defrauding a childrens' hospital, and making false accusations about people being pedophiles (among other things), is rather ridiculous.
OWned this video rocks TJ pwned the shit outta him. You can see it in his responses that he is beaten. He attemps through his actions to discredit T.J. and tries to make his answers sound stupid through a very narrow and selective view of them rather than refute the actual argument. A typical response to somone backed into a corner.
OH come now, how on earth can anyone of sound mind (or claiming to be), defend that foolish, spoiled younk kid, venomfangx?
Just go and look at the tone of the simpering, sycophantic comments.
Talk about independent views, and critical thinking.
Stop listening to all these ridiculous fairy stories, and go check out the validity of them, if you really do this you will find very little evidence. I'm afraid, "I feel like God is talking to me" doesn't cut it as a proof.
almost as sharp as your logic. pretty narrow but with the ability for progress with absolutes that change...its just not a way of life but a FAD as well
One could say the samething with their religion..and a continuation of a scientific dogma...I follow both science and religion and IF you know enough of each you might be able to make at least a better argument LOL. Like the way you use the word consenus going off what OTHERS believe based on simularities and a theory...just like EVERYTHING else...so now you are saying people sould believe what they want to or should they base this on polls and concensus? Neither of which would be fact.
AHHH so the theory of the world being flat was human, the theory that the earth was in the center of the universe was a human theory, dinosours dying totally off is a theory while other scientists believe they became birds.... pick and choose either case has many falsehoods past, present or future...Do you believe in absolutes? Evidently so and for that it makes you seem like an absolute idiot.
Why shouldn't killing/murder be considered a form of natural selection? Moral compass, responsibility? How about human intelligence? How often do theories change based on limited information?
Is the bible totally false? Is there any KNOWN history in the bible? You almost sound like a global warming baffoon who's own models of past climates were a map to lead to Lincoln Nebraska but somehow ended up in Bombay India.
Evolution is not a philosophy or something. My moral compass is the same as everyone else, it's my own. You pick and choose the things from your religion you want to follow and ignore everything else. That's human nature. Theories change when we get better data. The bible has enough falsehoods in it that everything that you get from the bible should be qualified as being from a questionable source.
this is an argument? Did you hijack slayer's song? Kids are funny, you bitch about religion yet you do the same stupid shit you say they do to get people to follow limited intelligence (finite = limited infinite = unlimited)
basically your whole freaking video LOL GET A GRIP and if you are going to argue do so with at least a grain of respect. You sound like some kind of lactose intolerant ice cream man...you can dish out plenty but you just can't take it.
So when I ask for specifics, you just say "your whole video" like I didn't know what you were referring to, and sling some more vacuous insults. If you think VFX deserved any of my respect, than you don't know how he deals with other people.
I'm just explaining in short terms why I have a lack of respect for him. If you want more details. Watch my "why it is okay to hate you venomfangx" series.
Just because you are an idiot FearsEdge and can't understand that you can't have an infinite amount of finite things doesn't make him wrong and you disprove him by insulting him. You are a complete moron lol.
I understand he is being inconsistent when he says there are no infinites, well, except god. That's special pleading. He makes an argument that infinites are impossible then says god is infinite. Did you even watch me video? I explained this already.
God exists outside of our universe and exists without matter, time or space. He cannot be defined by things in our universe. Things in our universe cannot be infinite. Get it?
So you believe that everything came from nothing and that time + dirt = humans? Wow, you gotta have a lotta faith to believe that religion. And you think the existence of God is far fetched, lol?
The remark at the end is ofcourse, in analogy programmer computerprogram vs god and humans.
If a programme doesn't work properly, the boss will not blame the given variables in the system of the programme. He will go to the designer of the programme.
This is even more true for an omnipotent programmer, who knows every outcome of the programme. So god is responsible for the creation of evil and for designing us in a lousy way.
well evolution isnt concerned about truth - only survival. Maybe thats why it selected for people who believe in God, since they tend to be happier and have larger families. Isnt it interesting how atheism, like the human tailbone and the pandas thumb, somehow survived as an evolutionary leftover of our primitive past?
Evolution is not "concerned" with anything. Evolution is a concept.
there are many possible reasons why a lot of us are religious. Some component of it is genetic, mostly in the way our brains process information and the way that we seek patterns.
If an idiot makes a video response to another idiot, the end result is going to be idiotic.
This video is an idiot's response to an idiot's response to an idiot. It's a vicious cycle I don't think any of you theists or atheists can find a way out of.
Thousands of years ago, humans invented god in order to have some comprehension of nature and the cosmos. It's not valid or invalid to believe in god. It (religion) is a part of evolution which is becoming redundant. Without education and adequate resources, humans are much more prone to creationist fantasy. It's a necessary substitute for cognitive reasoning and critical thought( where it's missing), the very attributes that define our species (generally}
*golf clap* I think you're missing that TheAmazingAtheist's video that this is a response to a response to was.....horribly uneducated itself.
It's ten different kinds of useless to argue about god/no god; every "prophet" has argued the same thing: Be kind to one another and yourself. That's the only thing we have to know about life.
I think you are missing that no one asked you or gives a shit what you think. If you do not want to hear any arguments about god/no god than you are clicking on the wrong fucking videos.
An infinate amount of finite things isn't a contridiction it's stating one thing oer again sort of like "open entry" you see what I mean? But it's true, you can't use subtraction to get to infinity thus time had a begining, and you can't add to get infinity therefore infinacy doesn't exist. Next, hostility the swearing and anger, is due to threat or impaticence.That's the only reason we as humans get angry and swear with is synonomus with anger. So yes atheists are threatened by the new movement
"But it's true, you can't use subtraction to get to infinity thus time had a begining, and you can't add to get infinity therefore infinacy doesn't exist."
Time is relative, time is a spectrum, if I was to concede Sean's point about actual infinite being defined as an infinite amount of finite things, and god is exempt from this because he is one infinite thing, this is also potentially applicable to time(we have no real way of knowing).
Isn't that a concience? Do you have something in you're mind that tells you right from wrong when you're about to do it? Let's not talk atheism for a minute, Do you belive that ALL humans have something inside their minds that tell them right and wrong? Also yes, as humans we don't usually understand time it's true. But before the creation of the world (in the creationist view of course)there was no time.A weird idea yes and complicated.But God isn't infinite because before there was no infinacy
"Do you have something in you're mind that tells you right from wrong when you're about to do it?"
Some of those instances would be due to culture, and some of them would be due to genetics. Just saying "god" not only is a piss poor answer, but it's boring too.
Boring? Moving on, you JUST saaid that if evil arose it would have to out of God's design. And you said that you hated VFX for telling people what they belive. You do the same thing, thus your a hypocrite, and you hate HIM for being a hypocrite. Wow. So the blaimg of the fat person (Mankind) and the genetics are (Free will). Thus you still have to conclude that if my God is ture then he didn't create evil.
"And you said that you hated VFX for telling people what they belive. You do the same thing, thus your a hypocrite, and you hate HIM for being a hypocrite. "
I am not telling you what you believe I am telling you what is in the scripture. There is definetly a difference.
"Thus you still have to conclude that if my God is ture then he didn't create evil."
Wrong, if that god does exist, than all the variables are still ultimately his design and his fault.
There's not difference, and humans are born without a sense of good. If you never give any input besides food and water to your child how do you think he'll grew up? Angry, bitter, and hostile. No input means evil. Only through input into a person can any sort of good form. It's the truth it's almost inarguable as far as I can see. Our view of God is that humans brough evil in the world. Even if God created it, he held the key to it, and humans used it. It was all a test and we failed. Easy.
Yes. I was using my anaolgy to back that up. But with no input humans are angry, bitter, and hostile. If you give a human social interactions then depending on the person. Parents, friends, family all give humans distint version of right and wrong. If you live in a Christian home, you're going to have Christian values such as love and forgiveness. If you live in a Neo-Nazi hom you're names Adolf, and you hate Jews. Experience shapes our life.
Yes, I already said as much that at least to some degree we are a product of our environment, and our genetics. The old nature vs nurture argument that is so fascinating that creationists just throw away.
So our life experiences do shape our lives? But to say the nature and nurture arguement is a bit off. I can't really put it into words myself. Here's a link to a video I watched in which an ex-atheist gives a good example of what I mean plus a few other points. Only watch the first ex-atheist, from about 2:40 to 7:00 to see my point plus a few others.
Another great argument. "You're soo stupid Shaaaawn." And who doesnt have a Big TV, PS3 and a laptop these days is that something that someone can flaunt? "I hate you Shaaawn, flaunting, all your food, water and shelter, stuuupid..." lol
The profound ignorance of assuming everyone has those things is sickening. COmparing luxeries and conspicuous wealth to necessities is very foolish as well. Not to mention we are talking about someone who begged a nice camara off someone else.
The quote is devoid of context, the very next thing I said was "or you are very dishonest, you pick."
Here we go, do you really think that I assume everyone has one of these things? Could I have been making a point that these "luxereis" are very common and that you pointing them out is elementary? You are devoid of valid arguments because you lack common sense. But good use of the word "stuupiiid." I'm not a big fan of that VFX guy either but he does make better arguments than you.
1.How are you wrong?Are you fucking serious? I already explained your severe error of equating luxeries that people in first world nations who have disposable income may have and necessities.
2.You just say I am devoid of valid arguments. This is just a statement by you that you do not back with with specific examples.
3.You really think his statements and arguments are valid, when mine are not, even though I shred his arguments on a regular basis? It's not like it is difficult, either.
It would take a lot of comments to argue with all of this video but it's mostly semantics and is very stupid. Also there was something behind the whole time, you should have edited this video to take that guy out. Maybe tis' your thing idk. It's just semantics, you take things out of contexts, and this video really confuses me how this arguement is viable.
If you are truly THAT confsued I don't think I can explain it to you, you should just tighten the straps on your helmet, and go find something to watch that doesn't question anyone's house of cards world view.
No I mean, all you do is insult Venom the entire way. You barely adress directly his arguements. You used vulgarity throughout the way and I don't see how anyone can take THIS perticular arguement seriously. I'm not saying argueing with VFX is bad it's good that means everyone can learn from it. I'm saying that swearing and attacks on his character only makes you look bad. Just a tip. Why is it that when atheists argue they swear and spit but Christians are clam and nice. Why is that?
"No I mean, all you do is insult Venom the entire way. You barely adress directly his arguements."
Bullshit. Watch it again. I definitely address his points. The point of my video was not to go line by line of everything he said and refute it, the point was to demonstrate Is evasive and dishonest tactics, and explain why it makes me and other people angry when watching it.
"You used vulgarity throughout the way and I don't see how anyone can take THIS perticular arguement seriously.""
Once again, being vulgar has zero to do with the veracity and accuracy of my statements.
"I'm saying that swearing and attacks on his character only makes you look bad."
I mix swearing and attacks in with my refutations. That is my style. If someone does not take me seriously because I swear, than that is a reflection of THEIR character, not mine.
Also your main arguement is that an infinant ammount of finite things is incorrect. How is it contradictory. If something has a set number it can't be infinant. This is not difficult. THe idea that God gave man a choice. It's sort of like if you know somethings going to happen, but you don't know what choice the person is going to make if you gave them that choice. But if you get angry that a sign of a threat. It highens your power so you'll be ready to defend yourself. That's what angry is.
That was not my main argument, I merely pointed out that he is just stating the obvious. "You cannot have an infinite amount of finite things." No shit. If they are finite, they are not infinite. "an infinite amount of finite things" is a contradiction of terms, that is all I was pointing out.
"Why is it that when atheists argue they swear and spit but Christians are clam and nice. Why is that? "
Gross generalization. There are plenty of people on either side who act om varying ways.
On this specific example, VFX is a smarmy, condescending, lying little prick. He talks all nice, but look at the meaning, not the way he chooses to convey it. This is a guy who said that jews deserve the holocaust and amputees don't deserve their limbs. I don't care what words he used, that's fucked up.
Yeah if someone doesn't think swearing is a good way to get a point across, then their clearly a serious debater like myself and your "style" lacks style just to say. I've never seen on Christian videos where someone used any word worse than hell. He never said that Jews deserved the Holocaust if you can find the video where he says that be my guest and the bible says that amputees don't deserve their limbs. We don't deserve anything. You misread his points.
"Yeah if someone doesn't think swearing is a good way to get a point across, then their clearly a serious debater like myself and your "style" lacks style just to say."
Let me explain something to you. I was not debating VFX, it is not a debate whatsoever. If I was to debate someone, I am perfectly capable of using whatever words are appropriate for the venue.
"I've never seen on Christian videos where someone used any word worse than hell."
WOW!!! I guess it's true what Philos71 said: "As a Youtube Christian you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will misquoted and used against you." Jesusfreak was quoting Amazingatheist. Wow. I mean I've never seen Christians use vulgarity at least no the extent atheists use it. Why is that? Not hypothetical I'm looking for the answer. But if your not debating VFX then your just whining about him which is childish and either way makes your arguement look bad.
You take it out of context what I said. No Christian video I've seen has used such vulgarity in a direct way. THis is not a difficult concept to understand of what I'm talking about. But would you ever swear n front of a stranger? Can you swear and yell all the time? No you can't something tells you it's wrong. Your concience. This is not dogma. We know that insults aren't arguements. I'm simply talking common right from wrong. Atheism takes the moral compus and teaches you can do what you wilt.
Just because you don't see it does not mean it doesn't happen.
Even if you are right, it's an easy answer. Atheists are typically much less inhibited by tradition and dogma. There is an idea that some words are inherently worse than others, this idea has no evidence or reason to support it. The ideas you convey are much more important that the words you choose.
Never mind, let's not get into atheism V.S theism this isn't what I wanted to argue about. But I just want to know why Christian videos are usually well-presented, only contains arguements and ideas and almost no insults at least not direct insults and if they are used it's usually in a kidding manner while atheists swear at any opprotunity, insult everything including character and never FULLY address the point they're trying to make. As you said the strawman arguement.
Look at my last couple videos where I deal wth my old nemesis, Mackquigley. His videos are 90% insults. So what if I use profanity and he does not? I keep trying to explain to you that that the idea of profanity is bullshit, and you have no argument against it. I fully address plenty of points. these vague, broad, generalizations you are making are helpful to no one, since you yourself are avoiding the argument by just restating over and over what you have aready said.
Very well then, not all Christians are good which is the truth and I'm sure that there are many good atheists. But the most popular, amazingatheist thunderfoot etc usually use some form of insult or vulgarity in their videos. Something in our minds tells us that swearing is wrong and saying certain things is wrong. It's our minds not tradition that makes it wrong. But yes lets get back to the arguement which is, you reused aa's arguements and the amounts aren't contridictions.
One thing at the end of your video: VFX isn't a pro-US Christian, he never makes any referances to the US being a theocracy, and frankly it's my personal belief that religions SHOULD have almost nothing to do with politics and theocracy is a bad idea because it conflicts with the powers of the soverign (I am a German monarchist read my channel for more details). But if you think that it's God fault for evil in the world it's not. Hope you don't mind if I explain this further.
God gave man collectively a choice. He didn't know what choice we were going to make because he gave us free will. THink of it as a spot where God willing gave up control for just a minute to see what would humans do if I wasn't there to stop them and hold their hands. He knew what the outcomes would be, he just wanted to see what choice we would make. Have you never sinned. Of course you've sinned, we all have. This proves that we're sinful and fallen by nature and why God needs to forgive us.
That is such a copout. Original sin is bullshit, predistination and free will are incompatable, and sin is a made up concept that only has any meaning if your unproven fairy tail is true.
Actually predistination is only a view of the Calvinists which are Protestants. I'm a Catholic. Sin is actually bad thing. Laws of man, and laws of God is often the same. Killing, lieing, stealing, cheating, etc are all sins. The original sin isn't really a sin at it in this world. In fact the original sin isn't really the begining of evil it's the begining of concequence, death and sickness. Humans created all the evils in the world. Before there was only death and sickness.
And it's this kind of attitude that makes me dislike your religion. This condemnation of humanity as evil and we only avoid eternal torture by a loophole that Jesus made for us, and by surrendering our rationality.
Also why is it such a big deal to say that you don't belive in God because if he does exist he allowed evil in the world, and when I tell you the real way Christians look at it you said: "I don't belive in God." Isn't that denial? Quick question: Are there evil humans in the world? Yes. Are humans capible of doing evil things at any age? Yes, the 5 year old who fed animals to a gator for example. Humans are born evil, no way around it. Jesus ask to give him our love, not rationality.
after saying that there are some evil people, you conclude that people are born evil. That does not follow. There are good and bad people, despite what your bronze-age book might tell you.
So the atheist view that God created evil, is wrong. Humans created evil. Sin was indeed present in the world, but it can only be used if humans take it and use it. Humans saw the difference between good and evil and much of them decided to do evil. It's not God's fault for evil, however he is partly to blame. But this would be like blaming food for fat people, blaming God for evil.He didn't put sin to use, we did. And sin is forgivable through Jesus which is why this arguement doesn't hold much
Good response. I was especially annoyed with Shawn's assertion that he's "one of the only people on youtube that is able to help you". Anyone making such a remark assumes a natural superior position to the person they're addressing. It's elitist & childish.
VFX twists what the bible says, which he claims to follow, to make it fit his own delusional beliefs. He doesn't even represent his own religion properly, how can he argue against somebody else's beliefs?
Like he said amputees don't deserve their limbs. He SHOULD have said that God tests people in various ways, and blah blah blah...but he takes the words out of the context of the bible to make it look like he is right all the time.
If you look up his quotes from the bible and look at them in the context of what they are, a lot of it doesn't have anything to do with the point he's trying to make. If he doesn't respect his god and his god's words, then of course he won't respect anybody elses'.
I also don't like how he goes on and on about disproving infinity but there really isn't anything in atheism that is contingent on its existence...
I don't know why I expected him to make sense though...wishful thinking.
It's just a way to "prove" one of the only two points these fucks ever really have. Either their argument boils down to faith, or they try to argue for the "first cause" being god.
You don't understand the "you can't have an infinite amount of finite things?" Well, you can't have an infinite amount of fuckin dinner rolls. Or keychains. It's impossible to have an infite amount of something that is concrete.
wow i just noticed something. most atheists are ugly and fat. they aren't fat because they are atheist. they are atheist because they are fat. they don't want to believe that god could create something so ugly and fat. you are also way too angry.
I am an atheist, and I am very skinny, generally a happy person, and have been commented on my looks by quite a few people. (sorry for the lack of modesty)
Don't believe me? I'll hopefully be putting up a video that is a slideshow of a school musical we did. Maybe in a few days, maybe in a week, I dunno. I'll point out which one I am.
You know, you're kind of a bastard.
No, we believe there is no God because there is no evidence of Him.
why do you people have to argue and fight by videos over youtube? why cant you just believe what you believe and just let other people believe what they believe,like seriously other peoples religons have nothing to do with any of you people
Their religions DO have an effect on me, I live in a country where I can't even run for public office because I am a "godless unbeliever". Churches are tax-exempt, shit-crazy people in the religious right do their damnedest to erode the separation of church and state. These are important issues. Also, I primarily argue with people who use faulty reasoning and/or outright falsehoods and lies to prove their point.
F*#k you, Fearsedge. And F*#k you Amazingatheist. And F*#k all of you stupid douche bag atheists.
So, is there something wrong that I am saying here??? Don't you think that there is something wrong with saying F*#k you, even if i'm not actually being serious???
that swearing IS WRONG as you atheists love to do it over and over again. then you guys justify your swearing by asking what is so wrong with it. they're just words, right? it is a form of hate imo. when you guys swear like that, it just shows how hateful you guys are.
Atheists don't give a shit about cursing... And if there was some ALMIGHTY BEING do you HONESTLY think he'll waste his time thinking about trivial bullshit like that?
Do you worry about the nanoparasite in your stomach?
Give everyone a break, religious people honestly think there's a creator of a universe that ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT THEM on a personal level.
Get over yourselves, isn't family enough? (Don't answer that loony)
i know they don't care. and neither do i. for all i care, they can go fuck themselves. i may be loony to you, but to me, you're a narcissistic, materialistic asshole. id rather be loony than to be a prick.
oh, and before you go calling me a hypocrite, i'm just letting you know that i was just communicating to you in a format that you can understand in which you see nothing wrong with. caprice?
Funny that you would jump to the conclusion that they are materialistic and narcissistic. What possible grounds do you have for that assessment?
"oh, and before you go calling me a hypocrite, i'm just letting you know that i was just communicating to you in a format that you can understand in which you see nothing wrong with. caprice?"
So what you are saying, is that you don't feel the need to follow your own rules about morality. You want to have it both ways.
Really? Narcissistic & materialistic? Interesting to call me that since you don't even know my name, where I live, how old I am, or what I do for a living...
And "caprice"? I think that's a car... What about it?
Morality can never be objective. Morality is INTER-SUBJECTIVE. It takes a CONSENSUS people's opinions of what is good and what is evil to enact morals.
UnmaskedTuxedo 6 months ago
You know, regardless of who's correct in this whole argument, why is it that I'd rather spend time with VFX than you? The things that you were saying would scare me even if I did agree with you. There has to be something to the fact that when VFX is debating someone he does it with respect, and you can't go 5 seconds without using a swear word. If we truly are here just to enjoy life and have fun, then VFX is doing a much better job than you are
papasazz 8 months ago
@papasazz
If you are making assumptions about how I live my life based on a 10 minute video, then you clearly don't care about the truth.
And no, VFX does not debate with respect. He is consistently condescending, his arguments are ripped to pieces easily, yet he never admits when he states known falsehoods are straight-up lies. He is a liar, a thief, and has no shred of honesty or integrity. If you think that you can be respectful in a debate without honesty or integrity, you're wrong.
FearsEdge 8 months ago
@papasazz
By the way, I don't believe in profanity, it's an ancient concept with no merit. If you don't like the words I chose to use, then that's your problem. The people who are still ridiculous enough to believe in profanity can be offended when I say things, it just tips me off who the irrational people are.
FearsEdge 8 months ago
@papasazz
By the way, He's an admitted thief who probably still lives with his parents, who by his own admission couldn't hold down a job without harassing people. You like him more? Why, because he shares your religious views?
FearsEdge 8 months ago
@FearsEdge I see you're making several attacks against his character, but what's the point of that if there's no objective morality? (Which I would assume you believe as an atheist)
papasazz 8 months ago
@papasazz
What's the point in pointing out that he's a liar and a thief? Because I have empathy. Do you? Do you know what it's like to be lied to or stolen from? Can you then empathize with the people who were stolen from and lied to? How does the lack of objective morality have any bearing on this? Also, I don't appreciate you attempting to change the subject. I asked you why you would rather hang out with him, seeing as his character has been publicly exposed.
FearsEdge 8 months ago
@FearsEdge Your character has been publicly exposed as well. In my judgment, you're much more cold-hearted and condescending than VFX is. But that's just me after watching a couple of your videos and a couple of his, I've never personally met either of you. I would say though that it's easier to trust someone who is being held accountable to an almighty God than someone who chooses to do "good" just because they know how it feels to have "evil" done against them.
papasazz 8 months ago
@papasazz
But no one is being held accountable to a god, you must know that I hold this position. So basically, you are saying you like him better because he begs forgiveness for his sins from the same imaginary sky daddy that you do. When I do something wrong, I apologize to the people I actually wronged, not my imaginary friend. You think that pretending that your invisible friend is holding you accountable is better than actually being accountable to the people who exist?
FearsEdge 8 months ago
@papasazz By the way, I would like an explanation as to why you would say that my character was publicly exposed as well. The implication there is that me not giving reverence to bullshit, and treating people's religious ideas the same as I do any other idea I find to be ridiculous, is somehow in the same league as defrauding a childrens' hospital, and making false accusations about people being pedophiles (among other things), is rather ridiculous.
FearsEdge 8 months ago
@papasazz
I'd also like specifics on what it is that I said that scare you.
FearsEdge 8 months ago
Man, VFX pisses me off so much that I almost thumbed down your video while listening to him. Haha.
theshredator 1 year ago
Hey, is that another head sticking out of your shoulder @6:00? :-P
But seriously, good video, as usual. Just got around to watch it now. Trying to catch up with your old good material :-)
Akatam0t0ma 2 years ago
Dude, you just owned the living crap out of VFX!
Great vid, 5 stars.
ErlendoWH 2 years ago
OWNED
EldarWrath 2 years ago
OWned this video rocks TJ pwned the shit outta him. You can see it in his responses that he is beaten. He attemps through his actions to discredit T.J. and tries to make his answers sound stupid through a very narrow and selective view of them rather than refute the actual argument. A typical response to somone backed into a corner.
Asalent 2 years ago
Wow, I was lmao the whole time this guy was speaking. "uh uh uh..."
thegreyy23 2 years ago
It appears I found another VenomSockX.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
OH come now, how on earth can anyone of sound mind (or claiming to be), defend that foolish, spoiled younk kid, venomfangx?
Just go and look at the tone of the simpering, sycophantic comments.
Talk about independent views, and critical thinking.
Stop listening to all these ridiculous fairy stories, and go check out the validity of them, if you really do this you will find very little evidence. I'm afraid, "I feel like God is talking to me" doesn't cut it as a proof.
Open minds all round???
martiangrundy 2 years ago
haha!!!!!
look at the back!!!
04:01
MissLucy0002 2 years ago
WELL SAID SIR
samcoe89 2 years ago
or the fact you are too busy listening to cool music like slayer and using that cool chin beard as a brillo pad
tubaboy71 2 years ago
This has sunk to pathetic levels. Bugger off, troll.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
I agree you are uncouth
tubaboy71 2 years ago
i know it must be too complex 4 u
tubaboy71 2 years ago
That must be it. It's not your inability to clearly convey ideas.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
almost as sharp as your logic. pretty narrow but with the ability for progress with absolutes that change...its just not a way of life but a FAD as well
tubaboy71 2 years ago
You are not making sense.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
LOL ok knower of all the unknown....there is a lot more to your dinosour
"con-census"..you are not correcting anything,
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Real sharp retort there. You might as well kick sand at me and say "nuh-uh!".
FearsEdge 2 years ago
One could say the samething with their religion..and a continuation of a scientific dogma...I follow both science and religion and IF you know enough of each you might be able to make at least a better argument LOL. Like the way you use the word consenus going off what OTHERS believe based on simularities and a theory...just like EVERYTHING else...so now you are saying people sould believe what they want to or should they base this on polls and concensus? Neither of which would be fact.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No, I was merely correcting you on your assertions about birds and dinosaurs and theories.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
AHHH so the theory of the world being flat was human, the theory that the earth was in the center of the universe was a human theory, dinosours dying totally off is a theory while other scientists believe they became birds.... pick and choose either case has many falsehoods past, present or future...Do you believe in absolutes? Evidently so and for that it makes you seem like an absolute idiot.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
No, the scientific consensus is that dinosaurs were mostly killed of, and the smaller ones evolved into birds.
You can site old data and say that's an error, but science is a self correcting process. Religious dogma on the other hand...
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Why shouldn't killing/murder be considered a form of natural selection? Moral compass, responsibility? How about human intelligence? How often do theories change based on limited information?
Is the bible totally false? Is there any KNOWN history in the bible? You almost sound like a global warming baffoon who's own models of past climates were a map to lead to Lincoln Nebraska but somehow ended up in Bombay India.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Evolution is not a philosophy or something. My moral compass is the same as everyone else, it's my own. You pick and choose the things from your religion you want to follow and ignore everything else. That's human nature. Theories change when we get better data. The bible has enough falsehoods in it that everything that you get from the bible should be qualified as being from a questionable source.
Any more rapid fire questions?
FearsEdge 2 years ago
this is an argument? Did you hijack slayer's song? Kids are funny, you bitch about religion yet you do the same stupid shit you say they do to get people to follow limited intelligence (finite = limited infinite = unlimited)
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Yes, I know what infinite is. An example of "stupid shit" would actually make it so you were not just spewing vacuous insults.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
basically your whole freaking video LOL GET A GRIP and if you are going to argue do so with at least a grain of respect. You sound like some kind of lactose intolerant ice cream man...you can dish out plenty but you just can't take it.
tubaboy71 2 years ago
So when I ask for specifics, you just say "your whole video" like I didn't know what you were referring to, and sling some more vacuous insults. If you think VFX deserved any of my respect, than you don't know how he deals with other people.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Gee you are even less specific than I LOL
tubaboy71 2 years ago
I'm just explaining in short terms why I have a lack of respect for him. If you want more details. Watch my "why it is okay to hate you venomfangx" series.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Just because you are an idiot FearsEdge and can't understand that you can't have an infinite amount of finite things doesn't make him wrong and you disprove him by insulting him. You are a complete moron lol.
christian7750 2 years ago
I actually agreed you can't have an infinite amount of finite things because it is a complete contradiction of terms. Who is the moron?
FearsEdge 2 years ago
I quote you "which still doesn't make any sense" dumbass
christian7750 2 years ago
I just told you less than five minutes ago that it DOESN'T make any sense because it is a contradiction of terms.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Then you are saying the sentence doesn't make sense but you still don't understand what he is saying because you are a moron?
christian7750 2 years ago
I understand he is being inconsistent when he says there are no infinites, well, except god. That's special pleading. He makes an argument that infinites are impossible then says god is infinite. Did you even watch me video? I explained this already.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
God exists outside of our universe and exists without matter, time or space. He cannot be defined by things in our universe. Things in our universe cannot be infinite. Get it?
christian7750 2 years ago
Yea, I get that you have a special set of rules that apply to god and cannot possibly support this claim with anything other than bald assertions.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Seeming as how there is no evidence that god exists, much less what his qualities are.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
So you believe that everything came from nothing and that time + dirt = humans? Wow, you gotta have a lotta faith to believe that religion. And you think the existence of God is far fetched, lol?
christian7750 2 years ago
Look up "straw-man" under "logical fallacies".
FearsEdge 2 years ago
LOL at the guy in the back :)
axeman235 2 years ago
I love your rant. Good job.
The remark at the end is ofcourse, in analogy programmer computerprogram vs god and humans.
If a programme doesn't work properly, the boss will not blame the given variables in the system of the programme. He will go to the designer of the programme.
This is even more true for an omnipotent programmer, who knows every outcome of the programme. So god is responsible for the creation of evil and for designing us in a lousy way.
Peace man.
ContinuumXT 2 years ago
awesome your totally right for dissing him Ive already got venomfangx in a corner he wont even answer my questions
blades518 2 years ago
i know eh??? VFX is such a douche! preach it man preach it!
tmizzac 2 years ago
Hehe! Nice.
I also posted video responses to the original, but he's so arrogant that he only approves comments and video responses that support him. *facepalm*
See my channel for my own responses!
High five.
bumeyes1000 2 years ago
pwnage. Excellent Vid 5/5
RobR64 2 years ago
i have to say that having an imaginary friend when your five is ok but when you get into your 20's its just sad and creapy. imaginary friend=god
1CHMAGTORT3 2 years ago
yer so angry...and depressing...
mattea19841984 2 years ago
Sorry, reality can be depressing some times.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
well evolution isnt concerned about truth - only survival. Maybe thats why it selected for people who believe in God, since they tend to be happier and have larger families. Isnt it interesting how atheism, like the human tailbone and the pandas thumb, somehow survived as an evolutionary leftover of our primitive past?
mattea19841984 2 years ago
Evolution is not "concerned" with anything. Evolution is a concept.
there are many possible reasons why a lot of us are religious. Some component of it is genetic, mostly in the way our brains process information and the way that we seek patterns.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Intresting that Atheism is consitered the primative belief when religion is what rose from the primortal goo.
psychosoda235 2 years ago
Nice post FearsEdge, that venomx video was disgusting and insulting. Shame on him.
eraser101YT 2 years ago
Who was flaming you for believing in god? who was trying to change your religion? What are you talking about?
FearsEdge 2 years ago
I love this one. thx.
TheOldestProfession 2 years ago
nice, thx for owning VFX
Xiphion 2 years ago
If an idiot makes a video response to another idiot, the end result is going to be idiotic.
This video is an idiot's response to an idiot's response to an idiot. It's a vicious cycle I don't think any of you theists or atheists can find a way out of.
o.O
Danale111vids 2 years ago
Thousands of years ago, humans invented god in order to have some comprehension of nature and the cosmos. It's not valid or invalid to believe in god. It (religion) is a part of evolution which is becoming redundant. Without education and adequate resources, humans are much more prone to creationist fantasy. It's a necessary substitute for cognitive reasoning and critical thought( where it's missing), the very attributes that define our species (generally}
muzlinkage 2 years ago
*golf clap* I think you're missing that TheAmazingAtheist's video that this is a response to a response to was.....horribly uneducated itself.
It's ten different kinds of useless to argue about god/no god; every "prophet" has argued the same thing: Be kind to one another and yourself. That's the only thing we have to know about life.
Danale111vids 2 years ago
I think you are missing that no one asked you or gives a shit what you think. If you do not want to hear any arguments about god/no god than you are clicking on the wrong fucking videos.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Hi, welcome to the Internet.
Danale111vids 2 years ago
Is that supposed to be funny?
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Even if your are right about everything else, now you are the idiot leaving a comment on the idiots response to the idiot.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
you're*
Danale111vids 2 years ago
metatheism?
psychosoda235 2 years ago
typical of atheist to use aggressive behaviour and LOTS of curse words against others. -_-
mrmocko 2 years ago
Oh no curse words and agression! Those horrible atheists!
FearsEdge 2 years ago
An infinate amount of finite things isn't a contridiction it's stating one thing oer again sort of like "open entry" you see what I mean? But it's true, you can't use subtraction to get to infinity thus time had a begining, and you can't add to get infinity therefore infinacy doesn't exist. Next, hostility the swearing and anger, is due to threat or impaticence.That's the only reason we as humans get angry and swear with is synonomus with anger. So yes atheists are threatened by the new movement
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
"But it's true, you can't use subtraction to get to infinity thus time had a begining, and you can't add to get infinity therefore infinacy doesn't exist."
Time is relative, time is a spectrum, if I was to concede Sean's point about actual infinite being defined as an infinite amount of finite things, and god is exempt from this because he is one infinite thing, this is also potentially applicable to time(we have no real way of knowing).
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Isn't that a concience? Do you have something in you're mind that tells you right from wrong when you're about to do it? Let's not talk atheism for a minute, Do you belive that ALL humans have something inside their minds that tell them right and wrong? Also yes, as humans we don't usually understand time it's true. But before the creation of the world (in the creationist view of course)there was no time.A weird idea yes and complicated.But God isn't infinite because before there was no infinacy
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
"Do you have something in you're mind that tells you right from wrong when you're about to do it?"
Some of those instances would be due to culture, and some of them would be due to genetics. Just saying "god" not only is a piss poor answer, but it's boring too.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Boring? Moving on, you JUST saaid that if evil arose it would have to out of God's design. And you said that you hated VFX for telling people what they belive. You do the same thing, thus your a hypocrite, and you hate HIM for being a hypocrite. Wow. So the blaimg of the fat person (Mankind) and the genetics are (Free will). Thus you still have to conclude that if my God is ture then he didn't create evil.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
"And you said that you hated VFX for telling people what they belive. You do the same thing, thus your a hypocrite, and you hate HIM for being a hypocrite. "
I am not telling you what you believe I am telling you what is in the scripture. There is definetly a difference.
"Thus you still have to conclude that if my God is ture then he didn't create evil."
Wrong, if that god does exist, than all the variables are still ultimately his design and his fault.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
There's not difference, and humans are born without a sense of good. If you never give any input besides food and water to your child how do you think he'll grew up? Angry, bitter, and hostile. No input means evil. Only through input into a person can any sort of good form. It's the truth it's almost inarguable as far as I can see. Our view of God is that humans brough evil in the world. Even if God created it, he held the key to it, and humans used it. It was all a test and we failed. Easy.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
"There's not difference, and humans are born without a sense of good."
That's a pretty bold statement. Care to back that up?
"If you never give any input besides food and water to your child how do you think he'll grew up? Angry, bitter, and hostile."
Well even if that is true, it would be due to not learning how to be social. Humans are social animals.
Why do you keep saying this "we"? Our supposed ancestors did it. Well, all they did is eat from a tree that god put right there for him.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Yes. I was using my anaolgy to back that up. But with no input humans are angry, bitter, and hostile. If you give a human social interactions then depending on the person. Parents, friends, family all give humans distint version of right and wrong. If you live in a Christian home, you're going to have Christian values such as love and forgiveness. If you live in a Neo-Nazi hom you're names Adolf, and you hate Jews. Experience shapes our life.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
And I told you why your analogy is bullshit.
Yes, I already said as much that at least to some degree we are a product of our environment, and our genetics. The old nature vs nurture argument that is so fascinating that creationists just throw away.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
So our life experiences do shape our lives? But to say the nature and nurture arguement is a bit off. I can't really put it into words myself. Here's a link to a video I watched in which an ex-atheist gives a good example of what I mean plus a few other points. Only watch the first ex-atheist, from about 2:40 to 7:00 to see my point plus a few others.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
/watch?v=tY2WNMdJkh8&feature=channel_page
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
Another great argument. "You're soo stupid Shaaaawn." And who doesnt have a Big TV, PS3 and a laptop these days is that something that someone can flaunt? "I hate you Shaaawn, flaunting, all your food, water and shelter, stuuupid..." lol
LeperKing 2 years ago
The profound ignorance of assuming everyone has those things is sickening. COmparing luxeries and conspicuous wealth to necessities is very foolish as well. Not to mention we are talking about someone who begged a nice camara off someone else.
The quote is devoid of context, the very next thing I said was "or you are very dishonest, you pick."
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Here we go, do you really think that I assume everyone has one of these things? Could I have been making a point that these "luxereis" are very common and that you pointing them out is elementary? You are devoid of valid arguments because you lack common sense. But good use of the word "stuupiiid." I'm not a big fan of that VFX guy either but he does make better arguments than you.
LeperKing 2 years ago
"Could I have been making a point that these "luxereis" are very common and that you pointing them out is elementary?"
You could have been, but you are still wrong.
"You are devoid of valid arguments because you lack common sense."
Nothing like a baseless assertion to prove your point.
"But good use of the word "stuupiiid." I'm not a big fan of that VFX guy either but he does make better arguments than you. "
On what basis could you possibly form such an opinion?
FearsEdge 2 years ago
1. How am I wrong?
2. Baseless? I'm basing it on your arguments in your video that you are broadcasting.
3. He has actual statements to support his conclusions.
LeperKing 2 years ago
1.How are you wrong?Are you fucking serious? I already explained your severe error of equating luxeries that people in first world nations who have disposable income may have and necessities.
2.You just say I am devoid of valid arguments. This is just a statement by you that you do not back with with specific examples.
3.You really think his statements and arguments are valid, when mine are not, even though I shred his arguments on a regular basis? It's not like it is difficult, either.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
It would take a lot of comments to argue with all of this video but it's mostly semantics and is very stupid. Also there was something behind the whole time, you should have edited this video to take that guy out. Maybe tis' your thing idk. It's just semantics, you take things out of contexts, and this video really confuses me how this arguement is viable.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
If you are truly THAT confsued I don't think I can explain it to you, you should just tighten the straps on your helmet, and go find something to watch that doesn't question anyone's house of cards world view.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
No I mean, all you do is insult Venom the entire way. You barely adress directly his arguements. You used vulgarity throughout the way and I don't see how anyone can take THIS perticular arguement seriously. I'm not saying argueing with VFX is bad it's good that means everyone can learn from it. I'm saying that swearing and attacks on his character only makes you look bad. Just a tip. Why is it that when atheists argue they swear and spit but Christians are clam and nice. Why is that?
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
"No I mean, all you do is insult Venom the entire way. You barely adress directly his arguements."
Bullshit. Watch it again. I definitely address his points. The point of my video was not to go line by line of everything he said and refute it, the point was to demonstrate Is evasive and dishonest tactics, and explain why it makes me and other people angry when watching it.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
"You used vulgarity throughout the way and I don't see how anyone can take THIS perticular arguement seriously.""
Once again, being vulgar has zero to do with the veracity and accuracy of my statements.
"I'm saying that swearing and attacks on his character only makes you look bad."
I mix swearing and attacks in with my refutations. That is my style. If someone does not take me seriously because I swear, than that is a reflection of THEIR character, not mine.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Also your main arguement is that an infinant ammount of finite things is incorrect. How is it contradictory. If something has a set number it can't be infinant. This is not difficult. THe idea that God gave man a choice. It's sort of like if you know somethings going to happen, but you don't know what choice the person is going to make if you gave them that choice. But if you get angry that a sign of a threat. It highens your power so you'll be ready to defend yourself. That's what angry is.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
That was not my main argument, I merely pointed out that he is just stating the obvious. "You cannot have an infinite amount of finite things." No shit. If they are finite, they are not infinite. "an infinite amount of finite things" is a contradiction of terms, that is all I was pointing out.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
"Why is it that when atheists argue they swear and spit but Christians are clam and nice. Why is that? "
Gross generalization. There are plenty of people on either side who act om varying ways.
On this specific example, VFX is a smarmy, condescending, lying little prick. He talks all nice, but look at the meaning, not the way he chooses to convey it. This is a guy who said that jews deserve the holocaust and amputees don't deserve their limbs. I don't care what words he used, that's fucked up.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Yeah if someone doesn't think swearing is a good way to get a point across, then their clearly a serious debater like myself and your "style" lacks style just to say. I've never seen on Christian videos where someone used any word worse than hell. He never said that Jews deserved the Holocaust if you can find the video where he says that be my guest and the bible says that amputees don't deserve their limbs. We don't deserve anything. You misread his points.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
watch?v=Rs8uPqiqO2o
2:07
FearsEdge 2 years ago
"Yeah if someone doesn't think swearing is a good way to get a point across, then their clearly a serious debater like myself and your "style" lacks style just to say."
Let me explain something to you. I was not debating VFX, it is not a debate whatsoever. If I was to debate someone, I am perfectly capable of using whatever words are appropriate for the venue.
"I've never seen on Christian videos where someone used any word worse than hell."
And that means it NEVER happens, right?
FearsEdge 2 years ago
"I've never seen on Christian videos where someone used any word worse than hell."
watch?v=ho6exhxAtac
at about 2:30
FearsEdge 2 years ago
WOW!!! I guess it's true what Philos71 said: "As a Youtube Christian you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will misquoted and used against you." Jesusfreak was quoting Amazingatheist. Wow. I mean I've never seen Christians use vulgarity at least no the extent atheists use it. Why is that? Not hypothetical I'm looking for the answer. But if your not debating VFX then your just whining about him which is childish and either way makes your arguement look bad.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
He still said it. You said you have never heard a christian use a word worse than hell. Now you have.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
You take it out of context what I said. No Christian video I've seen has used such vulgarity in a direct way. THis is not a difficult concept to understand of what I'm talking about. But would you ever swear n front of a stranger? Can you swear and yell all the time? No you can't something tells you it's wrong. Your concience. This is not dogma. We know that insults aren't arguements. I'm simply talking common right from wrong. Atheism takes the moral compus and teaches you can do what you wilt.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
You sure are making a lot of assumptions.
I know insults are not arguments. That is why I made arguments as well.
"Atheism takes the moral compus and teaches you can do what you wilt. "
Wrong. Atheism is lack of a belief in god.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Just because you don't see it does not mean it doesn't happen.
Even if you are right, it's an easy answer. Atheists are typically much less inhibited by tradition and dogma. There is an idea that some words are inherently worse than others, this idea has no evidence or reason to support it. The ideas you convey are much more important that the words you choose.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Never mind, let's not get into atheism V.S theism this isn't what I wanted to argue about. But I just want to know why Christian videos are usually well-presented, only contains arguements and ideas and almost no insults at least not direct insults and if they are used it's usually in a kidding manner while atheists swear at any opprotunity, insult everything including character and never FULLY address the point they're trying to make. As you said the strawman arguement.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
Look at my last couple videos where I deal wth my old nemesis, Mackquigley. His videos are 90% insults. So what if I use profanity and he does not? I keep trying to explain to you that that the idea of profanity is bullshit, and you have no argument against it. I fully address plenty of points. these vague, broad, generalizations you are making are helpful to no one, since you yourself are avoiding the argument by just restating over and over what you have aready said.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Very well then, not all Christians are good which is the truth and I'm sure that there are many good atheists. But the most popular, amazingatheist thunderfoot etc usually use some form of insult or vulgarity in their videos. Something in our minds tells us that swearing is wrong and saying certain things is wrong. It's our minds not tradition that makes it wrong. But yes lets get back to the arguement which is, you reused aa's arguements and the amounts aren't contridictions.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
"Something in our minds tells us that swearing is wrong and saying certain things is wrong."
Yea, it's called indoctrination.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
One thing at the end of your video: VFX isn't a pro-US Christian, he never makes any referances to the US being a theocracy, and frankly it's my personal belief that religions SHOULD have almost nothing to do with politics and theocracy is a bad idea because it conflicts with the powers of the soverign (I am a German monarchist read my channel for more details). But if you think that it's God fault for evil in the world it's not. Hope you don't mind if I explain this further.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
God gave man collectively a choice. He didn't know what choice we were going to make because he gave us free will. THink of it as a spot where God willing gave up control for just a minute to see what would humans do if I wasn't there to stop them and hold their hands. He knew what the outcomes would be, he just wanted to see what choice we would make. Have you never sinned. Of course you've sinned, we all have. This proves that we're sinful and fallen by nature and why God needs to forgive us.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
That is such a copout. Original sin is bullshit, predistination and free will are incompatable, and sin is a made up concept that only has any meaning if your unproven fairy tail is true.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Actually predistination is only a view of the Calvinists which are Protestants. I'm a Catholic. Sin is actually bad thing. Laws of man, and laws of God is often the same. Killing, lieing, stealing, cheating, etc are all sins. The original sin isn't really a sin at it in this world. In fact the original sin isn't really the begining of evil it's the begining of concequence, death and sickness. Humans created all the evils in the world. Before there was only death and sickness.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
God knowing everything presupposes determinism.
"Humans created all the evils in the world."
And it's this kind of attitude that makes me dislike your religion. This condemnation of humanity as evil and we only avoid eternal torture by a loophole that Jesus made for us, and by surrendering our rationality.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Also why is it such a big deal to say that you don't belive in God because if he does exist he allowed evil in the world, and when I tell you the real way Christians look at it you said: "I don't belive in God." Isn't that denial? Quick question: Are there evil humans in the world? Yes. Are humans capible of doing evil things at any age? Yes, the 5 year old who fed animals to a gator for example. Humans are born evil, no way around it. Jesus ask to give him our love, not rationality.
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
"and when I tell you the real way Christians look at it you said: "I don't belive in God."
I was letting you know the characterizing of that as "the atheist view" is erroneous.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
"Humans are born evil, no way around it."
after saying that there are some evil people, you conclude that people are born evil. That does not follow. There are good and bad people, despite what your bronze-age book might tell you.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
"One thing at the end of your video: VFX isn't a pro-US Christian"
You DO knw he is from Canada, right?
Also, the bible itself says god created evil in a number of places. Look it up.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
So the atheist view that God created evil, is wrong. Humans created evil. Sin was indeed present in the world, but it can only be used if humans take it and use it. Humans saw the difference between good and evil and much of them decided to do evil. It's not God's fault for evil, however he is partly to blame. But this would be like blaming food for fat people, blaming God for evil.He didn't put sin to use, we did. And sin is forgivable through Jesus which is why this arguement doesn't hold much
GermanConquistador08 2 years ago
"So the atheist view that God created evil"
How could that be an atheist view when we don't believe in god. The scripture says he created evil. Look it up.
Also, that is not an "atheist view". There is only one atheist view.We don't believe in god or gods.
"It's not God's fault for evil, however he is partly to blame. But this would be like blaming food for fat people, blaming God for evil."
Part of the blame would be on the fat person, and part would be on their genetics.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
Good response. I was especially annoyed with Shawn's assertion that he's "one of the only people on youtube that is able to help you". Anyone making such a remark assumes a natural superior position to the person they're addressing. It's elitist & childish.
drumrnva 2 years ago
awesome video man. Shawn is a smarmy snake. good to see him trampled underfoot, venom, fangs, & all. and was that Grim Reaper you closed with?
HenryCovert 2 years ago
Yes, indeed it was.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
High five man.
Great fucking job.
NovemberBegin 3 years ago
VFX twists what the bible says, which he claims to follow, to make it fit his own delusional beliefs. He doesn't even represent his own religion properly, how can he argue against somebody else's beliefs?
Like he said amputees don't deserve their limbs. He SHOULD have said that God tests people in various ways, and blah blah blah...but he takes the words out of the context of the bible to make it look like he is right all the time.
demond21 3 years ago
No arguments here. If I was someone who actually believed in the bible, that would probably piss me off.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
If you look up his quotes from the bible and look at them in the context of what they are, a lot of it doesn't have anything to do with the point he's trying to make. If he doesn't respect his god and his god's words, then of course he won't respect anybody elses'.
I also don't like how he goes on and on about disproving infinity but there really isn't anything in atheism that is contingent on its existence...
I don't know why I expected him to make sense though...wishful thinking.
demond21 3 years ago
It's just a way to "prove" one of the only two points these fucks ever really have. Either their argument boils down to faith, or they try to argue for the "first cause" being god.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
And a question for you FearsEdge.
Are you aware that you are still playing his game,
by his rules?
When you make assertions from biblical reference,
that's it,
he wins,
game over.
You're smart enough,
leave the game book of the psychopath behind you.
Become a true practitioner of metacognition.
DonQuixotedeKaw 3 years ago
if I am playing his game by his rules, I am still kicking his ass at it.
If I can show that someone is wrong even on their own terms, I find it most satisfying.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
Questions for FVX; Have you ever asked yourself who is benefiting from the rational you represent?
Who really?
Who was it that tortured you to the point where you are a cleary a victim of Stockholm syndrome, or some other PTSD?
You are not a free moral agent. You are a representitive of the distorted cults of Mithra, and you believe that you have made a pact with death.
What about your life is so bad that you would willfully sucumb to such a mind parasite? And then to become one yourself?
DonQuixotedeKaw 3 years ago
You don't understand the "you can't have an infinite amount of finite things?" Well, you can't have an infinite amount of fuckin dinner rolls. Or keychains. It's impossible to have an infite amount of something that is concrete.
poofer89 3 years ago
No, really?
Shawn does not seem to understand that infinity is not a number, it is a concept. Just like zero.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
Well, zero is both a number and a concept, but that's a different story.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
wow i just noticed something. most atheists are ugly and fat. they aren't fat because they are atheist. they are atheist because they are fat. they don't want to believe that god could create something so ugly and fat. you are also way too angry.
mrchuckles110 3 years ago
I am an atheist, and I am very skinny, generally a happy person, and have been commented on my looks by quite a few people. (sorry for the lack of modesty)
Don't believe me? I'll hopefully be putting up a video that is a slideshow of a school musical we did. Maybe in a few days, maybe in a week, I dunno. I'll point out which one I am.
You know, you're kind of a bastard.
No, we believe there is no God because there is no evidence of Him.
breadmold5 3 years ago
Did you think this comment was so clever that you just HAD to post it twice?
Seriously, go fuck yourself.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
"they don't want to believe that god could create something so ugly and fat". Atheism is the non-belief of a God so that is completely contradictory.
c0ldsurg3 3 years ago
why do you people have to argue and fight by videos over youtube? why cant you just believe what you believe and just let other people believe what they believe,like seriously other peoples religons have nothing to do with any of you people
CheckItOut0809 3 years ago
why do you have to argue about us arguing? Why don't you just let us argue? I'm sure most of us are arguing for the same reason you are.
randallsnowb 3 years ago
Their religions DO have an effect on me, I live in a country where I can't even run for public office because I am a "godless unbeliever". Churches are tax-exempt, shit-crazy people in the religious right do their damnedest to erode the separation of church and state. These are important issues. Also, I primarily argue with people who use faulty reasoning and/or outright falsehoods and lies to prove their point.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
Most sensical comment ever!
poofer89 3 years ago
F*#k you, Fearsedge. And F*#k you Amazingatheist. And F*#k all of you stupid douche bag atheists.
So, is there something wrong that I am saying here??? Don't you think that there is something wrong with saying F*#k you, even if i'm not actually being serious???
randallsnowb 3 years ago
randallsnowb. And the point you are making is ....???
pilgrimpater 3 years ago
that swearing IS WRONG as you atheists love to do it over and over again. then you guys justify your swearing by asking what is so wrong with it. they're just words, right? it is a form of hate imo. when you guys swear like that, it just shows how hateful you guys are.
randallsnowb 3 years ago
Atheists don't give a shit about cursing... And if there was some ALMIGHTY BEING do you HONESTLY think he'll waste his time thinking about trivial bullshit like that?
Do you worry about the nanoparasite in your stomach?
Give everyone a break, religious people honestly think there's a creator of a universe that ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT THEM on a personal level.
Get over yourselves, isn't family enough? (Don't answer that loony)
globalcapitalist 3 years ago
i know they don't care. and neither do i. for all i care, they can go fuck themselves. i may be loony to you, but to me, you're a narcissistic, materialistic asshole. id rather be loony than to be a prick.
oh, and before you go calling me a hypocrite, i'm just letting you know that i was just communicating to you in a format that you can understand in which you see nothing wrong with. caprice?
randallsnowb 3 years ago
Funny that you would jump to the conclusion that they are materialistic and narcissistic. What possible grounds do you have for that assessment?
"oh, and before you go calling me a hypocrite, i'm just letting you know that i was just communicating to you in a format that you can understand in which you see nothing wrong with. caprice?"
So what you are saying, is that you don't feel the need to follow your own rules about morality. You want to have it both ways.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
i wasn't being serious, i was just making a point. but your'e right, fighting fire with fire just doesn't work, does it?
randallsnowb 3 years ago
"Of course you should fight fire with fire, you should fight everything with fire!"
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
FearsEdge 3 years ago
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
So if i needed to put out a fire, I should use fire to put it out? Really now? Hmm...
randallsnowb 3 years ago
So you can curse when you are joking? I fail to see your point.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
Notice how I, defending free speech in the form of cursing, did not curse, while you, attacking cursing and free speech, cursed.
FearsEdge 3 years ago
Really? Narcissistic & materialistic? Interesting to call me that since you don't even know my name, where I live, how old I am, or what I do for a living...
And "caprice"? I think that's a car... What about it?
globalcapitalist 3 years ago
i meant your that your atheistic views are narcisistic and materialistic. but you guys do the same thing about me.
oh my bad about caprice, i meant capiche. which obviously you don't
randallsnowb 3 years ago
Don't know what that is either... Don't use Italiano if you can barely command the English language.
What you don't capice is the natural world and all of its splendor.
It's for more wondrous to live and understand the true beauty of a garden without having to pretend that fairies live in it too...
globalcapitalist 3 years ago