@aquapulsefuel I thought that's what you were meaning. What would be real interesting is if I could modify a regular dc motor to have same results? Thanks for the comments and stay tuned for more. Rawbush
@MAllen7424 Thank you. when I first thought about doing this, your set up was all I found. By using a micro controller timing and other events are precision controlled. I will be looking at your set up for the cap dis charge workings. That is the next part of my build. Peace rawbush
@Rawbush I have yet to find anyone else using the arduino or any clones attempting the pulse motors, someone had to be first to post it to get people on their way to perfect it. I guess I had to be the one. Good thing I am good in web development to bring it in the public with ease. Any questions just ask. I have written many test scripts using pots for adjusting variables and other configurations, the possibilities are endless using the code. Variables are easily manipulated.
@ttiracing I think iT is right about bemf and radiant spikes being different. The bemf spikes will fill a cap but not as fast as an energizer will. I will still try to charge dis charge a cap in the system, just need to get every thing else in fine tune. Peace Rawbush
Radiant energy spikes and back EMF are not the same, according to Mr Bedini And Bedini also says that all magnets should be facing the coils with one pole only. I used to believe that Bedini uses the back EMF only for his timing on the wheel design, but other then that I think that the back EMF is not necessary when the arduino is doing the timing. Do you have less cogging now the back EMF is gone? Peace, iT
How many poles do you have on the motor ? there are 1,000 microseconds in a millisecond and 1,000,000 microseconds in a second... You can do alot better, Maybe ?
Gary P.S. get some square wave going on, maybe the PWM connections on Arduino ? Then cram it full of if statements and hook it up to the menu for auto speed selection controll and output regulation ? Don't know just guessing...lol
@llewgnal The rotor is 6 magnets n-s-n-s-n-s facing out. I will be changing my code to use micros instead of millis, right now my fire time is 1ms. I have just finished tuning the second side and have gained about 300rpm and amps are under .1 . More to come soon. Rawbush
@Rawbush Nice, it was confuseing to me at first, now you can probably make a startup sequence ? Like , if rpm =0 then pluse one pole,wait, pulse other , then delay == delay -1 or what ever,,,? I'm beginning to have some fun now, imaging programs :) .
@llewgnal There is actually 6 sets of wire in that coil. Starts with 2 22ga and 2 28 ga, 300' each. Then there are 2 more 22ga 300'. I have played around with putting them in series and parallel, each does something different. Whats your take on what is happening here?
@Rawbush Still early for the power side of the situation for me being very new to the digital and the Arduino, the logic comes pretty easy to me, I know you need a plan of exactly what you want to do, the open source is very nice, was looking at the SDI library stuff today How to talk to a Digi pot today or how to address the the AD5206 they show isn't available... but I've got draws full of mcp4141 individual digi pots, so if I can write the SDI for them that would be nice.
@Rawbush also , just guessing again, Might drop two of the magnets, go to one pulse, time till next pluse = 1 rmp, If Rpm == 0 then startup sequence,,, Dia. of wheel * 3.14159 = circumference / 3 = 120 degrees, / 6 = 60 . Three or six pulses, getting longer and longer or shorter and shorter ?
Speed up or down by setting speed on menu, or load you want ? It all can be done allmost automatically by the schetch. Can't wait to see your next setup...
@llewgnal The problem I see with using an rpm input for setting the firing sequence is for one I think I would need to use two halls(or one like your 4 pin) so that 2 samples are taken per rev, this should provide a clean rpm reading. The other issue might be the arduino spending to much time reading halls to fire motor. But I will find out if I need adjustments based on rpm. Thanks for your interest.
Beef was meant to be bemf. Sorry
aquapulsefuel 1 year ago
@aquapulsefuel I thought that's what you were meaning. What would be real interesting is if I could modify a regular dc motor to have same results? Thanks for the comments and stay tuned for more. Rawbush
Rawbush 1 year ago
Seems to me that if the motor speeds up then beef is just inefficiency . Intact beef may drag resistance through your primary.
aquapulsefuel 1 year ago
Nice to see someone else using the arduino in their experiments with pukse motors ...have fun programming your ideas!
MAllen7424 1 year ago
@MAllen7424 Thank you. when I first thought about doing this, your set up was all I found. By using a micro controller timing and other events are precision controlled. I will be looking at your set up for the cap dis charge workings. That is the next part of my build. Peace rawbush
Rawbush 1 year ago
@Rawbush I have yet to find anyone else using the arduino or any clones attempting the pulse motors, someone had to be first to post it to get people on their way to perfect it. I guess I had to be the one. Good thing I am good in web development to bring it in the public with ease. Any questions just ask. I have written many test scripts using pots for adjusting variables and other configurations, the possibilities are endless using the code. Variables are easily manipulated.
MAllen7424 1 year ago
it is the spyke that you need to put in to a battery
ttiracing 1 year ago
@ttiracing I think iT is right about bemf and radiant spikes being different. The bemf spikes will fill a cap but not as fast as an energizer will. I will still try to charge dis charge a cap in the system, just need to get every thing else in fine tune. Peace Rawbush
Rawbush 1 year ago
Radiant energy spikes and back EMF are not the same, according to Mr Bedini And Bedini also says that all magnets should be facing the coils with one pole only. I used to believe that Bedini uses the back EMF only for his timing on the wheel design, but other then that I think that the back EMF is not necessary when the arduino is doing the timing. Do you have less cogging now the back EMF is gone? Peace, iT
insAneTunA 1 year ago
@insAneTunA Yes it gained rpm and dropped amp draw. :)
Rawbush 1 year ago
@insAneTunA Also I think your right about the magnets and back emf and the radiant being different. I need to put the old energizer on there.
Rawbush 1 year ago
How many poles do you have on the motor ? there are 1,000 microseconds in a millisecond and 1,000,000 microseconds in a second... You can do alot better, Maybe ?
Gary P.S. get some square wave going on, maybe the PWM connections on Arduino ? Then cram it full of if statements and hook it up to the menu for auto speed selection controll and output regulation ? Don't know just guessing...lol
llewgnal 1 year ago
@llewgnal The rotor is 6 magnets n-s-n-s-n-s facing out. I will be changing my code to use micros instead of millis, right now my fire time is 1ms. I have just finished tuning the second side and have gained about 300rpm and amps are under .1 . More to come soon. Rawbush
Rawbush 1 year ago
@Rawbush Nice, it was confuseing to me at first, now you can probably make a startup sequence ? Like , if rpm =0 then pluse one pole,wait, pulse other , then delay == delay -1 or what ever,,,? I'm beginning to have some fun now, imaging programs :) .
Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
@Rawbush Bifiller coils ? Bifiller coils can be switched electricaly like the little fan motor circut does that I have.
llewgnal 1 year ago
@llewgnal There is actually 6 sets of wire in that coil. Starts with 2 22ga and 2 28 ga, 300' each. Then there are 2 more 22ga 300'. I have played around with putting them in series and parallel, each does something different. Whats your take on what is happening here?
Rawbush 1 year ago
@Rawbush Still early for the power side of the situation for me being very new to the digital and the Arduino, the logic comes pretty easy to me, I know you need a plan of exactly what you want to do, the open source is very nice, was looking at the SDI library stuff today How to talk to a Digi pot today or how to address the the AD5206 they show isn't available... but I've got draws full of mcp4141 individual digi pots, so if I can write the SDI for them that would be nice.
Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
@Rawbush also , just guessing again, Might drop two of the magnets, go to one pulse, time till next pluse = 1 rmp, If Rpm == 0 then startup sequence,,, Dia. of wheel * 3.14159 = circumference / 3 = 120 degrees, / 6 = 60 . Three or six pulses, getting longer and longer or shorter and shorter ?
Speed up or down by setting speed on menu, or load you want ? It all can be done allmost automatically by the schetch. Can't wait to see your next setup...
Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
@llewgnal The problem I see with using an rpm input for setting the firing sequence is for one I think I would need to use two halls(or one like your 4 pin) so that 2 samples are taken per rev, this should provide a clean rpm reading. The other issue might be the arduino spending to much time reading halls to fire motor. But I will find out if I need adjustments based on rpm. Thanks for your interest.
Rawbush 1 year ago