I agree this is one of the most important scenes in this season of the Wire. Carcetti, dubious otherwise, tells his audience that it's forgiveable that Colvin tried and failed; however, in face of defeat it's unforgiveable playing blame games and politics instead of each individual stepping up to drive change. This is a moral statement in line with "when good men do nothing" as well as a development in Carcetti's character portrayed by his self-contradiction and mute delivery of the speech.
@PsyberP It was meant to be a kind of opening statement for his campaign. He probably memorized it and was just waiting for an opportunity to give it. If it wasn't this issue, it would have been something else.
Carcetti's a great character because he's not evil. Just blinded by ambition. He can do good as a councilman, but convinces himself he can be more effective as mayor. And he could do good as mayor, but couldn't he do so much more as governor? It's this little trade-offs that politicians make for their ambition that chip away at their idealism till they become corrupt husks. What makes this series great is that it stops before he ends up fully corrupt, but you know exactly where he's going.
f*cking hate Carcetti, worst character of season 3. dude acts like hes the shit, but he actually has no idea what going on in the streets, nor does he actually give a rats ass. this speech was so forced and out of the blue, like STFU no one cares what u have to say bro. oh lets not forget about him cheating on his wife. what an asshole, i hope he dies next season.
That self-serving, grandstanding, piece of shit makes me want to vomit. Carcetti, McNulty, and Scott (the lying journalist), were the most irritating, pathetic characters by the end of the series. Maurice Levy (lawyer of the kingpins) and Clay Davis were much more corrupt and immoral , but at least they were entertaining.
The whole concept of Nuance, subtlety, and hidden messages is lost on a lot of Americans, even though we engage in nuance through our own ethnically, culturally, religiously segragted lives. I guess it's a casualty of most people refusing to engage in challenging their own minds through literary works after grade school.
I love this scene. Maybe one of my favorites (but then again I say that about just about every scene) but this one is special for the exact reasons Burns addresses. It's beautifully written and passionately delivered but if you're not paying attention it goes against everything the show previously depicted. Knowing this even the best of us follow Carcetti off the cliff. What do you think it says about those who've never seen the show nor understand its message?
"What do you think it says about those who've never seen the show nor understand its message?"
Probably that most Americans don't understand the futility in fighting the drug war as it currently stands. We don't understand that human nature is human nature...that there will always be those who will succumb to their innate weaknesses & partake of the ganja & snort a little crack.
You would've thought the lesson was learned from the Prohibition days, but I guess not.
I would wager because most Americans are still caught up in that Hollywood/story book fairytale of the White Knight coming to slay an evil dragon or the John Wayne cowboy riding into town to run out the bandits...
It never fails. We get burned by the last politico & then a new fresh face, handsome & young steps in claiming to have all the answers. Of course most of us should know better, but deep down many of us are just naive kids looking for a Pied Piper to lead us.
Because the TV audience, just like the real-life audience who watch The Wire, are far too invested in the wasteful effort known as the "war on drugs"...
We tried outlawying Alcohol back in the day, and it didn't work.
Never put too much hope in your politicians, ladies and gentlemen. They'll just wind up disappointing you in the long run. On a sidenote, "amoral, incompetent, and unfit for command?" Fuck you, Rawls.
I love it such a brilliant scene. Frank and Carcetti the tragic figures of the show.
Tris10 3 days ago
Teresa D'Agostino is gorgeous
orourkeda 3 weeks ago
Lmao Burrell and Rawls using the major crimes unit as one of the excuses, as if they never stood in its way and always supported it
holdemehha 4 weeks ago
I'm not gonna lie, I loved this speech and Carcetti and that moment. Thought he was gonna start something despite himself.
VastedCouth 1 month ago
look at the black woman at 2:25 next to carcetti, rolling her eyes. I think that was what the true sentiment of the writers of the show.
4ndreGusmao 1 month ago
America wanted to turn Afghanistan into America. But it's the other way.
ravenouscolonelhart 1 month ago
Maybe Carcetti should have listened to that speech before he decided...
SPOILER
to sell-out Baltimore and run for governor.
alec1115 1 month ago
i think we already lost the city. it's sad that most people don't realize this but it's true.
hojoleon 1 month ago
I agree this is one of the most important scenes in this season of the Wire. Carcetti, dubious otherwise, tells his audience that it's forgiveable that Colvin tried and failed; however, in face of defeat it's unforgiveable playing blame games and politics instead of each individual stepping up to drive change. This is a moral statement in line with "when good men do nothing" as well as a development in Carcetti's character portrayed by his self-contradiction and mute delivery of the speech.
matiku01 2 months ago
i'm not sure if the writers wanted him to appear like he just memorized an essay, or maybe it was his terrible acting.
PsyberP 2 months ago
@PsyberP It was meant to be a kind of opening statement for his campaign. He probably memorized it and was just waiting for an opportunity to give it. If it wasn't this issue, it would have been something else.
323guiltyspark 1 month ago
Carcetti's a great character because he's not evil. Just blinded by ambition. He can do good as a councilman, but convinces himself he can be more effective as mayor. And he could do good as mayor, but couldn't he do so much more as governor? It's this little trade-offs that politicians make for their ambition that chip away at their idealism till they become corrupt husks. What makes this series great is that it stops before he ends up fully corrupt, but you know exactly where he's going.
whoostino 2 months ago 2
@whoostino I couldn't of said it better myself
Mattraction513 2 months ago
f*cking hate Carcetti, worst character of season 3. dude acts like hes the shit, but he actually has no idea what going on in the streets, nor does he actually give a rats ass. this speech was so forced and out of the blue, like STFU no one cares what u have to say bro. oh lets not forget about him cheating on his wife. what an asshole, i hope he dies next season.
PsyberP 2 months ago
Carcetti = Evil
roryphelan 3 months ago
I'm sorry but this is perfect...
LethalAnesthetics 3 months ago
I always hated Carcetti...
KleWdSide 3 months ago 2
That self-serving, grandstanding, piece of shit makes me want to vomit. Carcetti, McNulty, and Scott (the lying journalist), were the most irritating, pathetic characters by the end of the series. Maurice Levy (lawyer of the kingpins) and Clay Davis were much more corrupt and immoral , but at least they were entertaining.
steelbreeze55 4 months ago
Great scene, really great.
FuhrerKaiser 5 months ago
The whole concept of Nuance, subtlety, and hidden messages is lost on a lot of Americans, even though we engage in nuance through our own ethnically, culturally, religiously segragted lives. I guess it's a casualty of most people refusing to engage in challenging their own minds through literary works after grade school.
willia3r 5 months ago
I love this scene. Maybe one of my favorites (but then again I say that about just about every scene) but this one is special for the exact reasons Burns addresses. It's beautifully written and passionately delivered but if you're not paying attention it goes against everything the show previously depicted. Knowing this even the best of us follow Carcetti off the cliff. What do you think it says about those who've never seen the show nor understand its message?
super5tar1111 7 months ago
@super5tar1111
"What do you think it says about those who've never seen the show nor understand its message?"
Probably that most Americans don't understand the futility in fighting the drug war as it currently stands. We don't understand that human nature is human nature...that there will always be those who will succumb to their innate weaknesses & partake of the ganja & snort a little crack.
You would've thought the lesson was learned from the Prohibition days, but I guess not.
willia3r 5 months ago
how disgusting is this? that politicians are a bunch of lying scumbags out there for power and patronage. fuck them all!!!
halflifeproductionz 7 months ago 2
He didn't say anything substantially, why are they applauding?
thestranger4812 8 months ago
@thestranger4812
I would wager because most Americans are still caught up in that Hollywood/story book fairytale of the White Knight coming to slay an evil dragon or the John Wayne cowboy riding into town to run out the bandits...
It never fails. We get burned by the last politico & then a new fresh face, handsome & young steps in claiming to have all the answers. Of course most of us should know better, but deep down many of us are just naive kids looking for a Pied Piper to lead us.
willia3r 5 months ago
@thestranger4812
Because the TV audience, just like the real-life audience who watch The Wire, are far too invested in the wasteful effort known as the "war on drugs"...
We tried outlawying Alcohol back in the day, and it didn't work.
willia3r 4 months ago
sometimes you can hear the irish accent
CarvalhoFans 8 months ago
I actually thought Tommy was going to change things... shame on me I guess...
drktigger 9 months ago 2
@drktigger Yeah, well you weren't the only one fooled. O'Malley got elected for a reason.
effeweewetoob 8 months ago
Nice upload. Thank you.
allmightantdawgs 9 months ago
Nice upload.
allmightantdawgs 9 months ago
It's funny how he didn't actually say anything if you look beyond the sentiment.
Paralyt1c 10 months ago 22
I just want to slap the smile off that chick's face
23845u2093485 10 months ago
Never put too much hope in your politicians, ladies and gentlemen. They'll just wind up disappointing you in the long run. On a sidenote, "amoral, incompetent, and unfit for command?" Fuck you, Rawls.
gdhuertas07 11 months ago 22
@gdhuertas07 Bill Rawls was probably the bastard in the show. A great character but a complete bastard
orourkeda 3 weeks ago