I tried this myself using my own scans of documents as a test and it happens every single time you optimize the file as a pdf. These layers are automatically created, there is no conspiracy here,. Try it yourself, you're video is wrong.
It looks like some sort of digital separation to me too because the background green under the characters could not be scanned leaving white holes. However the darker area on the left would have been part of the green background. I saw another video where that could be moved, so it looks like it was doctored to some degree or another.
DIGITAL DENIER explanations do not work since whatever software, scanner, OCR, hardware, software, does not handle the same simple number sets differently for example one 1961 at one place on the page, and another 1961 on the same line 4 inches away..
I'm not an OCR expert, but I have used it before WHEN I had a document that needed to be edited or modified. So, one MUST ask, why use OCR unless you had to edit or modify the document? Why do this to the birth certificate of the POTUS Barack Obama at a time when so many people are questioning his citizenship? This whole thing just seems really, really strange. I'm not what you'd call a "Birther", but any thinking human being should be seriously questioning these things right now.
ANOTHER VERY GOOD POINT - A TEENAGER WITH 10 MINUTES OF THOUGHT on this issue, would realize what would need to be released to the public would be an official COLOR PHOTO-COPIED PAGE, then scanned to pdf then posted online..
If someone is going to manipulate your provided copy, let them do so and show the signs of some manipulation, but instead it's already done, and then made available in that state..
Why a digital file instead of a flat file copy - AMAZING AND BIZZARRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very Simple but now:
EVEN IF EVERY SINGLE FIELD ON THIS PAGE WAS %100 TRUE AND ACCURATE - ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE RELEASE OF THIS DOCUMENT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH FRAUD, MANIPULATION, DISHONESTY, AND DEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF PERPETUTING SOME TYPE OF POLITICAL SCAM AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL
- THE CHARACTER IMPLICATIONS OF DOING SO ALONE WILL LOSE THE ELECTION
Let's say, for arguments sake, that the layering is caused by OCR. Why did they scan the document like this in the first place? Whenever I scan documents, I use Photoshop and then create a JPEG or BMP out of it. Why use OCR and make a PDF document when it wasn't necessary and then leave all the layers open? It doesn't even make sense to do that. For argument's sake, if this really is legit, then whoever scanned the document is going to catch hell for this. Made the issue even worse!
@shizzle -- when you scanned your cert, you probably had choices about the way in which it scanned (image, image + text, etc.)... Like I said, I scan something maybe once a year and it's a picture, so this is 10 year old memories I'm bringing up... but you might need to try a couple varieties of how it scans, centering around OCR I think is the best way to exercise or disprove my suspicion.
@kfpok Yes, to make a long story short, it goes like this. When I scanned the image into my computer using illustrator, it defaults as one image. Now, if I USE the OCR, it will recognize the text, and at that point, allow me to edit it and do exactly what i've done in the video above... I guess the ultimate question is... Why? Why would they scan it and then use the OCR tool if not to edit the text in the document? Or the signatures? Is it guaranteed that they did this? No, but still strange.
OCR doesn't change it's mind half way through the scan - HIGH END SCANNER AND OCR APPS?????
RIGHT this High End Stuff cannot figure out that the 2nd #1 in the date 1961 is the same character as the first #1 in the date - OR - that the second instance of the same date 1961 on the same line is the identical character set..
It's more like extremely poor OCR Scanner sw, that changes it's mind in various areas around the entire document!
@kfpok ALSO! The raised seal did NOT show when I scanned my cert, HOWEVER, the seal of the state of PA WAS on the cert... why is there no seal of the state of Hawaii on his? If you look at the originals they released a year or two ago, you'll see a seal.. on this one, no seal... what the heck is going on?
@kfpok Sorry, one last thing. If you notice how the background on his (the green security paper) is able to be removed on his leaving just the text.. on my birth cert... this does not happen.. only the text.. I'm messing with it now to see if I can isolate the background image.
@ShizzleMcBizzle Yeah, I just got off the phone with my most right-wing-nuttiest friend (he's like a brother)... and we talked about this for quite some time... my general opinion at this time is that I think there is a good chance there is something "fishy" with this cert, but I would not commit to saying it at this point, as it could be a combination of software behavior on semi-ocr-able content.
@ShizzleMcBizzle The date does not dissappear - only part of it, apparently their OCR that should actually only create editable fields where it is able to, apparrently cannot undserday what the number 1 is in the date 1961 or see that it's the same group of characters as the Other 1961 on the same line..
Those were just my thoughts... I'm NOT an OCR expert, nor a scanning expert, nor an expert on birth certificates for that matter. I'm just a very analytical type who tends to want to research things thoroughly before I take a position so I'm just asking, maybe for an expert on OCR/Scanning to chime in on whether what I said holds water. I also tend to think that no matter what we think about our government or president, he wouldn't expose himself like that. But I could be wrong.
Could you try to scan your cert and see if the raised seal comes out in the scan? I would do it but I'm nowhere near a scanner, nor my birth certificate.
I DO believe an OCRd image would create "chunks" of text. Layers MIGHT be the result in software but a birth cert is NOT like a page from a novel, which has uniform text. The text appears in diff. regions, shapes, fonts, sizes, boundaries, handwritten, typed... OCR would HAVE to chunk that out, it couldn't possibly read it left to right
I'm not saying that there is ANYTHING incorrect about what you're saying, but maybe you or somebody can explain whether or not it is possible that the layers are created dynamically, by some scanning/OCR software that they might have scanned the document with. My best guess is that if they scanned it as an IMAGE it would NOT create layers, but if they scanned it as an Image with text and it was processed with OCR, those layers could very well be an artifact of the OCR process. Thoughts on it?
@kfpok I tried to do that with a note I got from a doctors office and SOME of the txt through OCR was recognized, but it didn't do that funky thing with the background, nor did it allow me to straight up take out the txt and easily replace it with something else... this just seems strange. Finally, I'm looking over the document... do you see a raised seal anywhere? I got out my birth cert this morning to look at some things, and mine has a raised seal that is clearly supposed to be there
I tried this myself using my own scans of documents as a test and it happens every single time you optimize the file as a pdf. These layers are automatically created, there is no conspiracy here,. Try it yourself, you're video is wrong.
treekingcrees 9 months ago
It looks like some sort of digital separation to me too because the background green under the characters could not be scanned leaving white holes. However the darker area on the left would have been part of the green background. I saw another video where that could be moved, so it looks like it was doctored to some degree or another.
js7un 10 months ago
Continued..
OK, this means they know what we see, what all can see in a zoomed pdf copy %300 or greater, just moving around..
They release it, looking this bad, so many artifacts that are not consistent..
THERE FAKE, FAKE DOCUMENT, IS SUCH A GOOD LOOKING FAKE, IT PROVIDES REAL EVIDENCE OF SHADY/FRAUDULENT BEHAVIOR..
THIS ID DONE - HOW SMART IS THAT?
UNEXPLAINABLE AT THE MOMENT FOR ME AND THIS IS VERY RARE..
VWState 10 months ago
@VWState Check out my latest video... very telling
ShizzleMcBizzle 10 months ago
CHECK THIS OUT!
LETS SAY THEY ARE SO SMART..
That it was released in this form to discredit "Republicans" and Truthers..
Continued next..
VWState 10 months ago
It's called OCR (optical character recognition).
soundping 10 months ago
@soundping I just posted another video comparing MY certificate to his, and I used OCR when I scanned in mine to the computer... check it out
ShizzleMcBizzle 10 months ago
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@soundpingretard
DIGITAL DENIER explanations do not work since whatever software, scanner, OCR, hardware, software, does not handle the same simple number sets differently for example one 1961 at one place on the page, and another 1961 on the same line 4 inches away..
VWState 10 months ago
@soundping
- It handled the 2nd #1 in the date 1961 differently than the first #1 in 1961
- TWO DIFFENT LAYERS FOR THE DATE FIELD FOR 1961
- MAN WHERE CAN WE GET THIS OCR STUFF.. - None of the factors above can explain this fact only, human manipulation can!
VWState 10 months ago
I'm not an OCR expert, but I have used it before WHEN I had a document that needed to be edited or modified. So, one MUST ask, why use OCR unless you had to edit or modify the document? Why do this to the birth certificate of the POTUS Barack Obama at a time when so many people are questioning his citizenship? This whole thing just seems really, really strange. I'm not what you'd call a "Birther", but any thinking human being should be seriously questioning these things right now.
LedWhisky69 10 months ago
@LedWhisky69
ANOTHER VERY GOOD POINT - A TEENAGER WITH 10 MINUTES OF THOUGHT on this issue, would realize what would need to be released to the public would be an official COLOR PHOTO-COPIED PAGE, then scanned to pdf then posted online..
If someone is going to manipulate your provided copy, let them do so and show the signs of some manipulation, but instead it's already done, and then made available in that state..
VWState 10 months ago
@LedWhisky69
Why a digital file instead of a flat file copy - AMAZING AND BIZZARRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very Simple but now:
EVEN IF EVERY SINGLE FIELD ON THIS PAGE WAS %100 TRUE AND ACCURATE - ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE RELEASE OF THIS DOCUMENT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH FRAUD, MANIPULATION, DISHONESTY, AND DEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF PERPETUTING SOME TYPE OF POLITICAL SCAM AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL
- THE CHARACTER IMPLICATIONS OF DOING SO ALONE WILL LOSE THE ELECTION
VWState 10 months ago
Let's say, for arguments sake, that the layering is caused by OCR. Why did they scan the document like this in the first place? Whenever I scan documents, I use Photoshop and then create a JPEG or BMP out of it. Why use OCR and make a PDF document when it wasn't necessary and then leave all the layers open? It doesn't even make sense to do that. For argument's sake, if this really is legit, then whoever scanned the document is going to catch hell for this. Made the issue even worse!
LedWhisky69 10 months ago
@LedWhisky69 Some of this doc IS related to OCR - BUT there are inconsistencies, artifacts, and manual edits ALSO PEOPLE!
You cannot get OCR or any App to handle some things in one way and the SAME things in another way even on the same lines in cases..
VWState 10 months ago
@shizzle -- when you scanned your cert, you probably had choices about the way in which it scanned (image, image + text, etc.)... Like I said, I scan something maybe once a year and it's a picture, so this is 10 year old memories I'm bringing up... but you might need to try a couple varieties of how it scans, centering around OCR I think is the best way to exercise or disprove my suspicion.
kfpok 10 months ago
@kfpok Yes, to make a long story short, it goes like this. When I scanned the image into my computer using illustrator, it defaults as one image. Now, if I USE the OCR, it will recognize the text, and at that point, allow me to edit it and do exactly what i've done in the video above... I guess the ultimate question is... Why? Why would they scan it and then use the OCR tool if not to edit the text in the document? Or the signatures? Is it guaranteed that they did this? No, but still strange.
ShizzleMcBizzle 10 months ago
@ShizzleMcBizzle
OCR doesn't change it's mind half way through the scan - HIGH END SCANNER AND OCR APPS?????
RIGHT this High End Stuff cannot figure out that the 2nd #1 in the date 1961 is the same character as the first #1 in the date - OR - that the second instance of the same date 1961 on the same line is the identical character set..
It's more like extremely poor OCR Scanner sw, that changes it's mind in various areas around the entire document!
VWState 10 months ago
@kfpok ALSO! The raised seal did NOT show when I scanned my cert, HOWEVER, the seal of the state of PA WAS on the cert... why is there no seal of the state of Hawaii on his? If you look at the originals they released a year or two ago, you'll see a seal.. on this one, no seal... what the heck is going on?
ShizzleMcBizzle 10 months ago
@kfpok Sorry, one last thing. If you notice how the background on his (the green security paper) is able to be removed on his leaving just the text.. on my birth cert... this does not happen.. only the text.. I'm messing with it now to see if I can isolate the background image.
ShizzleMcBizzle 10 months ago
@ShizzleMcBizzle Yeah, I just got off the phone with my most right-wing-nuttiest friend (he's like a brother)... and we talked about this for quite some time... my general opinion at this time is that I think there is a good chance there is something "fishy" with this cert, but I would not commit to saying it at this point, as it could be a combination of software behavior on semi-ocr-able content.
kfpok 10 months ago
@kfpok Ok.. new video uploading right now... I did exactly that LIVE
ShizzleMcBizzle 10 months ago
@ShizzleMcBizzle The date does not dissappear - only part of it, apparently their OCR that should actually only create editable fields where it is able to, apparrently cannot undserday what the number 1 is in the date 1961 or see that it's the same group of characters as the Other 1961 on the same line..
VWState 10 months ago
Those were just my thoughts... I'm NOT an OCR expert, nor a scanning expert, nor an expert on birth certificates for that matter. I'm just a very analytical type who tends to want to research things thoroughly before I take a position so I'm just asking, maybe for an expert on OCR/Scanning to chime in on whether what I said holds water. I also tend to think that no matter what we think about our government or president, he wouldn't expose himself like that. But I could be wrong.
kfpok 10 months ago
@kfpok I just scanned my cert directly into adobe as a PDF, let me mess with this for a minute, and I'll get right back to you
ShizzleMcBizzle 10 months ago
Could you try to scan your cert and see if the raised seal comes out in the scan? I would do it but I'm nowhere near a scanner, nor my birth certificate.
I DO believe an OCRd image would create "chunks" of text. Layers MIGHT be the result in software but a birth cert is NOT like a page from a novel, which has uniform text. The text appears in diff. regions, shapes, fonts, sizes, boundaries, handwritten, typed... OCR would HAVE to chunk that out, it couldn't possibly read it left to right
kfpok 10 months ago
I'm not saying that there is ANYTHING incorrect about what you're saying, but maybe you or somebody can explain whether or not it is possible that the layers are created dynamically, by some scanning/OCR software that they might have scanned the document with. My best guess is that if they scanned it as an IMAGE it would NOT create layers, but if they scanned it as an Image with text and it was processed with OCR, those layers could very well be an artifact of the OCR process. Thoughts on it?
kfpok 10 months ago
@kfpok I tried to do that with a note I got from a doctors office and SOME of the txt through OCR was recognized, but it didn't do that funky thing with the background, nor did it allow me to straight up take out the txt and easily replace it with something else... this just seems strange. Finally, I'm looking over the document... do you see a raised seal anywhere? I got out my birth cert this morning to look at some things, and mine has a raised seal that is clearly supposed to be there
ShizzleMcBizzle 10 months ago
It was probably made by Barack and Michelle late at night. lol
anywayokay 10 months ago
yep, as soon as I get this demo downloaded, I gonna upload too
UnblockedOne2 10 months ago