Lovin' this jam. Despite all the hoopla about the logistics, it all boils down to being able to practice and better oneself with ones instrument using it. I used F sjarp major chord on guitar over the whole thing and I don't know what else, just went by ear and emotion. :D
it is an f minor progression. f minor e flat major d flat major c major. you are playing the relative major, but it is a flat btw. g# major has 8 # in it. put your thinking cap on.
@kidblink11 You should take a page out of your own book. Why did you stop to make that post when you could've been playing? It's fun to argue, obviously you agree or you wouldn't have posted, so quit giving people a hard time for something you're doing yourself.
The mode C phrygrian works but sounds off because the real mode to be used here is F Aeolian(natural minor) just because phrygian is the "flemenco" mode doesnt mean its to be used with all latin music.. and yes i know C phryg and F min are the same notes, relative, w/e but the tonic here is F. dont beleive me then go ahead and try just playing the note F through the whole song and you will never sound wrong, but play C and you get a tension which releases to F. And this track is AWESOME
I don't know about that one. The F sounds a little wonky over the C chord. So no I don't agree that you can play F over the whole progression and not sound wrong, at least not any more than you can play C over the whole progression. Ideally you should be changing modes with the Chrod progression. F Aeolian, Eb Mixolydian, Dd Lydian, and C Phrygian Dominiant.
all those scales you just mentioned are relative.. which means they are all the same notes... so you can use any one of them and focus on the tonic of the whole progression which is......... F.
wow dude youre obviously just some nerd who thinks he knows everything about music. Ima jazz musician and the way we look at it, if it sounds good, it goes. C phrygian doesnt sound good. Eb Mixo doesnt soung good, Dd lydian doesnt sound good either. You know what does sound good? F minor. IDGAF what the chords are, the PROGRESSION is in F minor.
The progression isn't F minor you fucking moron. The progression is clearly F minor, Eb, Db, C. If you can't hear that I'd go back to school because you'll have a hell of a time playing Giant Steps. Oh wait you're probably playing Bb pentatonic over that one right? Haha jazz musician good one.
from what ive see, you are just some asshole who is here talking shit to every single person who posts trying to help other ppl... seriously man gtfo and get a life. play the guitar instead of looking at it or learning about it. people like you are the ones who cause problems in this world.
I realize the chords are in the scale you moron. That's because this song is in the key of F minor. You with me so far? Now that doesn't mean you can play F over everything. For example the last chord is a C chord (C E G). Guess what fuckface? E isn't in your scale. Would you look at that. So now you have to adjust for that chord (F harmonic minor or a C arpeggio), or even a combination of the two. Oh and by the way the correct spelling for that scale is F G Ab Bb C Db and Eb. Have fun learning.
Now before you go all dumbass on me and say "well the first chord is Min7
or whatever, It wont matter. Every single note in every single chord here will fit in one scale,
Fmin. Relative scales would be Ab Major, Eb Mixolydian. The dorian scale you love so much would only fit if used with a root of Bb. Just because you learned about scales doesnt mean you know shit. your ear is obviously off if you think dorian fits. go take an ear training class instead of theory... please...
and i cant beleive that your dumb ass said the progression sint in f minor, and then goes on to list every chord in the Ab major (fmin) scale STARTING WITH F MIN, what a fuckin retard... the whole progression revolves around the F chord. it starts with the F chord and The F chord is the Tension release chord. You can hold down the note F the entire time and it will fit 100% perfectly into the progression because F IS THE TONIC, THE ROOT. Ass.
Furthermore you don't have to be limited to just one scale. There are other options. you can play "outside notes". For example on the V chord (C) you can play Phrygian Dominant, Whole Tone, Locrian b4 (or Db Melodic Minor), and that's just the beginning, but I guess your still at that point where only one scale works over one chord. Let me know when your ears can actually hear something interesting rather than just predictable drivel.
oh yes youre right, so instead of Eb its E natural... so hmmmm what other scale did i say would work that would raise the Eb to an E.. now lets see the Eb in the Fmin scale is the 7th... omg man whats that scale that has the raised 7th??? OH YEAH THE FUKIN HARMONIC MINOR. DUBASS. Its still not dorian like you said. and ive stated in sever comments ive made on here that F minor and harmonic minor work well... thank you for proving my point. Win. You lose to a high school kid.
Here's how it works. Over the F minor chord you can play Dorian, or Aeolian (like you love so much) or Harmonic Minor or Melodic Minor or Blues or even Diminished, and over the C chord you play Phrygian Dominant, Whole Tone, Locrian b4. If you actually knew how to follow a chord progression this would be easy, but I guess counting to four and thinking about the chord is still too much for your tiny little brain. So enjoy your diantonic wankery and let me know when you can follow some chords.
dude what dont you get? every single note in every single one of those chords fit into the F harmonic minor scale. so even if i played straight arppegios to those chords they would still just all fall into the F harmonic minor mode... i hate when ppl make things more complicated thatn it is. Music is complicated but you still manage to make a very simple progression like this, meant to be jammed over by simple players who need more work improvising, into something complicated. learn to chill...
Really? The second chord is Eb you fucking idiot. Eb. Eb is not E, and it is not in the F harmonic minor scale. HAHAHA you're so stupid this is getting funnier by the second. Don't you think at all before you post? HAHAHA jazz player my ass. You'd have trouble improvising over a Nickleback tune.
Ok whats your point? i said the second chord was D# which is Eb... i see youre trying to say that the harmoinc minor wouldnt work there, all you have to do to avoid that is not play the raised 7th and problem solved... once again you make things difficult. these things become subconcious when you actually get an ear to know when certain notes are to be played, before i knew what the chords even were i knew what scale to use and what notes of that scale not to use when a certain chord came around
And actually you said you can play the note F over every chord. Well that would clash pretty hard with the E in the C chord. Why don't you think about what you say. It's obvious you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and even more obvious that you can't play jazz to save your life.
you can play the note F over every chord because thats the tonic of the progression, and it wont "clash" it builds tension. The reason the C chord is at the end of the progression is because it builds tension which is then released when the tonic F minor chord comes back around. The whole point of that C chord is to build tension and give the progression for flavor... you obviously didnt discuss tension in your theory class, and honesty im not that good at jazz. Im a classical and metal player
Yes build tension, and you do that by playing the same scale. If you want tension try a whole tone scale, or a Locrian b4. Playing F over every chord has got to be the lamest way to build tension it's just lazy playing. If you want to get better start by following the chords.
why play a locrian scale when you can just play F? once again making things more complicated than they are.. i understand what youre saying but why would i play a locrian scale when i could just do whatever i want and chromatic it all the way down the scale? i do what sounds good, i know this theory because i need to know it for classical playing, this kind of jam track isnt nearly as complicated as you make it
You play other scales to give it more colour. Why even solo? Why not just play one chord all day, fuck why not one note. When you learn to add different colours and tones you can really give it an original spin. That's where you get your voice. You want to be able to play anything you hear so you are muscially unrestricted. Maybe you like being stuck in the same thing forever, but I want to be able to play anything.
And it's really hard to take you seriously when you constantly contradict youself. All you need to play is F minor. All you need to play is F harmonic minor. All you need to play is a combination of the two. I'm a jazz player. Now I'm a metal player. Just accept the fact that you have a lot of learning to do. You won't get anywhere being close minded.
i admit i was contradicting myself because i completely overlooked the E in the C chord but you also contradicted yourself first off by saying that dorian would be the scale to use when the progression isnt dorian
You can use dorian over the whole thing. Mostly I wouldn't but you could. The point I was making was that there is no one scale to play, but rather many scale options.
There basicaly are two sections in the jam track, one leadinf into the other one. Try the F blues scale to start off, the when the groove slows down do a little thingy with the harmonic minor(im not used to the scale that why I used it here), let it reloop and then finish off with some monster flamenca licks à la Al Dimeola using the NATURAL MINOR SCALE(my personal favourite)...Thats how i tackle this track :) PEACE
@ciano15 Why did Dickens write "it was the best of times, it was the worst of times" when he could have just said "shit been good, shit been bad". Cause he was looking for a different way of saying something.
man do you even like music? do you enjoying it? or do you sit there and analyze it? when someone gives you some music do you sit there and think about it or just start playing? jazz is about improvising, not sitting there and planning everything out. i came upon this jam track and i didnt need to know the chords or anything, i instantly knew it was a minor progression and i found the key in about 20 seconds. did you come here to jam or to analyze every aspect of this track? get a life man..
I do enjoy that's why I constantly work on other ways to improvise. Anyone can sit there and play the same scale over and over. It's hard to follow the chords. So I work on it. I didn't need to analyze this cause it was an easy progression, but yes there is an analytical side to music and if you don't realize that you'll never get any better. Sometimes you have to let yourself go, but sometimes you have to analyze what you're playing. It's the only way to achieve true musical freedom.
Try putting a major third in the C phrygian scale, like if you were playing in F harmonic minor, starting from the fifth.. Really adds some extra exoticness to it
you can use Audacity or any other recording program to record this. just tell the program to record what you are hearing... meaning stereo out or line out or sth :D
Fair enough but I think Sunderland is just disagreeing for the sake of it then wetting himself, wasting time over it, eventually for a 2 year guitarist with 4 months lessons who also knows that F Dorian doesn't go with it to make a comment.
I mean, really doesn't it all boil down to HOW we use the scales we're given? I agree that F Dorian does have a 6 that doesn't fit. but most of the scale does, because the rest of it is just F minor.
so can we just get over out big heads and enjoy it? you both came across as a bit pompous. i'm sorry.
ok i don't know what you two are going on about with musical credentials and such. i'm a two-year guitarist who's only theory experience is four months of lessons, a poorly conducted high school theory course, and what i can figure out in my practice, which is enough to suprise me.
I don't know what LCM or the Royal Conservatory is, and they both sound far beyond my price range for colleges, so i'll ignore your amazing backgrounds.
The determination and delusion behind your words is impressive, its almost as though they superseed the comments of others on your profile from various past exploits telling you how much they like you.
Nothing lasts forever you are pretty boring now and yes, this means that you have won.
You know I can delete those comments on my profile whenever I want. I choose to leave them up so that people can see how stupid they are. "Fuck you Dave Grohl is the best fucking drummer ever" I think is my personal favourite, but it doesn't really matter what people think of me the point is that I can use an F dorian scale over this and make it sound sweet, while you need to go back to the LCM and learn about other scale options.
Always the way with music, it's a performance so a lot of people attracted to it for egotistical reasons for whom being wrong is attached to their ego, you can't win.
A local studio engineer told me that he stopped doing recording and just let the room out for rehersals because that way the engineer didn't have to interact with tosspots.
I could have swore you said you were finished. What happened to that? Do you realize how pathetic you look? Saying you dont' care and you won't post anymore, then you go on to post more than you did in the first place. At any rate, maybe you can't use dorian because you're a shitty player, that's the only explanation for it, but I sure as hell can. Dorian sounds awesome over this groove so does harmonic minor, melodic minor, aeolian, minor pentatonic, blues scale, even diminished and whole tone.
The 2nd position of the harmonised Major with the intervals of 1 2 flat3 4 5 6 and flat7. In the key of F minor B flat Dorian would fit but not F Dorian like you say. The 6th or D from it is out of place and should only be used as part of non-diatonic phrases, this however doesn't mean that F Dorian goes with it.
I guess I should have just said that in the 1st place rather than laughing at you and your extended diminished 7th maturity.
F Dorian doesn't go with it, the 6th (D) should only be used temporary as part of a chromatic link such as Eb D(6th) Db C..........Bb C....Ab.........F....E (7th from F Harmonic minor) F.....G
If you say so, I have a grade 8 in music theory and it sounds out of place to me. I should have put "for example" before "as part of" in my last post. I am interested to hear the other possibilities you have for the 6th.
There is no such thing as a grade 8 in music theory, but even if you have the highest level of conservatory theory it doesn't mean you know how to improvise with a given scale. In regards to the dorian scale you can use it any time the F minor chord shows up, and over the rest if you put that note in the right place, but chord theory tells us that a sixth is always major even if the chord is minor so technically you should be playing dorian over the F minor chord.
If you do a search on google for something like "LCM grade 8 music theory" or for example "ABRSM grade 8 music theory" you will find some information on grade 8 music theory. Excuse me if I haven't bothered to pay any attention to the remainder of your post.
Well your problem is you probably don't pay attention to anything. I don't know what the hell this LCM shit is, but at the Royal Conservatory they don't do grade eight theory. So maybe you're little mail away music school gave you a grade eight theory but most real musicians pay attention to the Royal Conservatory so enjoy your LCM. You know if you had of gone to the conservatory you might understand how to use a dorian scale because the apparantly don't teach that at the LCM.
For someone so highly esteemed and educated I find it hard to imagine why you would want to spend your time arguing with people over the internet where there are lots of pretentious idiots.
Well obviously there is grade eight theory at the LCM. I thought we already went over that one, but yea sarcasm is great. Why didn't you pick up on mine mister grade eight theory? I mean you sound pretty high and mighty yourself "I have grade eight theory and I say you can't use dorian over this progression." Yea if you were really awesome you'd know how to use that scale over this progression, and you probably wouldn't be wasting your time here either. So how do you feel about pretention?
The difference is that you have replied in such a way that implies you have not spotted sarcasm. Whereas even though I can spot where you are attempting sarcasm, I can't write a commentary about your posts for you to point out where I see attempts at sarcasm.
I do however like the tone of your new post, you have toned it down a bit with less swearing because you are starting to realize how much an idiot you look.
Idiot? I'm not the one who can't use dorian and brags about the fact that they have grade eight theory. What a joke. Here's a tip for you. No one cares what credentials you have in music. Either you can play or you can't, and by the sounds of it you must suck pretty hard because dorian is one of the first scales you learn how to use. Let me know when you catch up and we can talk about some more interesting scales.
I'm sorry I shouldn't have mentioned that, someone so bitter and with such low self esteem as yourself is bound to interprit it as bragging, you are obviously a very frustrated person.
I think its a shame what you think about credentials knowing that the Royal Conservatory that you often refer to, offer these.
Some spectators have also turned from laughing at your self inflicted humiliation to a feeling of discomfort at the relentness nature of your vacuous, completely pointless bitterness.
You're funny shit man. At least I'm not dumb enough to think I actualy "know" what someone is about based on comments on YouTube. I just like arguing with people about music, and it's obvious you don't actually have a musical point to make you just want to try to insult me, but remember I'm the kind of guy who likes to argue about music on YouTube, so do you actually think I'm taking any of this seriously? You must be a pretty uptight person to take this stuff so seriously.
You don't need to prove how serious you are anymore. You already did with your six previous posts. Running away now will just make it look like you were defeated.
quote; "You don't need to prove how serious you are anymore".
Don't put yourself down.
My post doesn't talk about "how serious I am", it talks about how serious I am *about you*, which is actually quite a lot, you are superior this is quite clear.
It's the evening, the comedy channel is good but this is interactive plus the Latin backing track makes good accompaniment itself as a light, jolly mood to accompany the atmoshphere as though a sketch.
and I only mentioned the Royal Conservatory once. I only have my grade two theory, and yet I can use a Dorian scale. So now who wasted their money on something they could've got for free at the library? Looks like you loose again, but don't feel too bad once you stop wasting time thinking you know stuff you can still go to the library read some scale chord relationships. Then go hang out with some real players and learn how it works. That's where the real shit is learned not in a conservatory.
As far as the video response, I'll see if I can hook you up with a decent one. I'm playing it for my Spanish class in school, they're planning on recording it so I'll see about getting it and shooting you a copy via YouTube.
if u want the music off this song i suggest using a firefox plugin called download helper, then use cubase or something similar thats edits audio and import the audio from the video file
only latinos can soloing this track, please don't insist, thanks .....
thefuturesouvenirs 1 week ago
Anybody knows where can I get some latin piano jam tracks? I mean without piano, so that I can play to them :) thanks
mitotianiMartin 2 weeks ago
Exellent! I do like to chorus on this track thank you!
papyslapet1 1 month ago
who needs how to learn to speak spanish when you have this to play along to
jcookz407 1 month ago
unreal track dude
LukeMAN5214 4 months ago
This is Garage band LMAO
drumkey23 5 months ago
F-Aeolian harmonic minor (F aeolian highlighting a sharp 7 over the V chord primarily)
relativesoulsnet 6 months ago
This track comes with Garageband for Macs. its a prerecorded track that you can mix or do anything with. Its a really great tune and its in F Minor.
jca3746 7 months ago
F minor
GQube3 7 months ago
this is awesome!!!!!
malevolentmistake 7 months ago
Santana would use f dorian. Just in case anyone's looking for alternatives to f pent.
ithegyspsi 9 months ago
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continentalg5 10 months ago
for me...it works with Fminor
btw...why it stops at 0:57 ???
thelastgummybear 10 months ago
whats the chord progression?
JaxxHusky 10 months ago
in Eb minor Every one :D
JaxxHusky 11 months ago
@JaxxHusky Sorry, I think you meant Fm. Have a good day.
PeterBoktor 11 months ago
best track ever
HereWeGoSteelers 11 months ago
Thanks man! Fun jam.
FortiniIII 11 months ago
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YouOriginal 11 months ago
Lovin' this jam. Despite all the hoopla about the logistics, it all boils down to being able to practice and better oneself with ones instrument using it. I used F sjarp major chord on guitar over the whole thing and I don't know what else, just went by ear and emotion. :D
MsJG23 1 year ago
f harmonic minor ftw!
xUMR 1 year ago
Nice!
XMannySanX 1 year ago
man this is now my favorite jam up.... you... yes...you... make me sound so good...
BEST MAKER OF BAKING TRACKS ON YOUTUBE HANDS DOWN.... wait no THUMBS UP!
YouOriginal 1 year ago
f minor goes with it and C phrygian is also good with it
nikasam777 1 year ago
@nikasam777 can you use a pentatonic scale with it?
saskekun101 1 year ago
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HereWeGoSteelers 1 year ago
@saskekun101 Yeah, minor pentatonic but it sounds a bit bland :P
93fishi 1 year ago
what would be the best scale?
saskekun101 1 year ago
@saskekun101 G Locrian (Minor)
TheCarnun 1 year ago
@TheCarnun You mean Aeolian? Because Aeolian is minor..
THEBAND272 1 year ago
@THEBAND272 Locrian is also a minor mode and it works quite well. I'll try Aeolian though, thanks.
TheCarnun 1 year ago
@TheCarnun G locrian is diminished.
Aeolian is minor.
liamzuid 11 months ago
@saskekun101 u can try f minor
srvjmbbking 1 year ago
por quele sis as e'nte
cutiepie4112 1 year ago
this is fun as shit!! thanks
xXironraiderXx 1 year ago
Great !
kalanapramod 1 year ago
well,i cant dance but i sure can lay some shit down on this. thank you!
green66vw 1 year ago 2
This is a salsa groove. If you can't dance it, you can't play it. Pure latino soul.
richone99 1 year ago 3
great with harmonic minor
bonifaciodachuva 1 year ago
very nice
had been in a funk with my playing
and now the "funk" helped me back
great track
thanks
lookylooky2006 1 year ago 2
does anyone else feel like santana ?
harrymanback4 1 year ago 7
Insanely awesome BTW
lilgangstabro 1 year ago
Funky Groove - G# Major Scale
Slow part - F Minor or F major penatonic, either one is fine but the Major gives a nice ring
lilgangstabro 1 year ago
Fm Pentatonic
CipollaErMeyo 1 year ago
blinding backing track fella,, real fun to play over.
SatansFloater 1 year ago
f minor pentatonic an' jst fill in the gaps for some latino funkiness...smooth lol
...play in e flat it makes it easier...hint hint. :P
Motosuna1982 2 years ago
Try G# major scale. It sounds good. Riff is in G# also.
telecasterdlx 2 years ago
it is an f minor progression. f minor e flat major d flat major c major. you are playing the relative major, but it is a flat btw. g# major has 8 # in it. put your thinking cap on.
brownbigb 2 years ago
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This isn't "Latin"
This is more like Southamerican music, wrong naming it Latin.
Shyuum 2 years ago
oigan a este y jueputa tan bobo
davidiem 2 years ago
@davidiem
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Shyuum 2 years ago
What are your reasons for thinking this?
fletchers4 2 years ago
@Shyuum actually its carribean.. salsa isnt southamerican.. it actually has african roots; afrocuban
Hancy18 1 year ago
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is this song on dexter?
madass88 2 years ago
WAO!!!! que bien!! muchas gracias!!
eloy8624 2 years ago 14
sorry guys i want to know the name of this song or a way to download it in mp3 thank you...
volirade69 2 years ago
@volirade69 Read the description, its from garageband
varxe7 1 year ago
Can we all just get along and play guitar? Come on now you could be playing instead of putting the time to argue with someone on youtube hey?
kidblink11 2 years ago 22
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Likewise. Take some of your own advice. Shut up and play your guitar.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
What dorks.
kensho3 2 years ago
@kidblink11 You should take a page out of your own book. Why did you stop to make that post when you could've been playing? It's fun to argue, obviously you agree or you wouldn't have posted, so quit giving people a hard time for something you're doing yourself.
Sunderlanding 1 year ago
@kidblink11 It took you as much time to type that as it took him to argue. Lol take your own advice before trying to preach to others =P?
IEatHarlots 1 year ago
@kidblink11 Amen! Music is the universal language, not slander! Cool your jets and warm them strings!
buddyhoot 1 year ago
The mode C phrygrian works but sounds off because the real mode to be used here is F Aeolian(natural minor) just because phrygian is the "flemenco" mode doesnt mean its to be used with all latin music.. and yes i know C phryg and F min are the same notes, relative, w/e but the tonic here is F. dont beleive me then go ahead and try just playing the note F through the whole song and you will never sound wrong, but play C and you get a tension which releases to F. And this track is AWESOME
ciano15 2 years ago
and if you know harmonic minor and melodic minor those sound reaaally nice with this
ciano15 2 years ago
I don't know about that one. The F sounds a little wonky over the C chord. So no I don't agree that you can play F over the whole progression and not sound wrong, at least not any more than you can play C over the whole progression. Ideally you should be changing modes with the Chrod progression. F Aeolian, Eb Mixolydian, Dd Lydian, and C Phrygian Dominiant.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
all those scales you just mentioned are relative.. which means they are all the same notes... so you can use any one of them and focus on the tonic of the whole progression which is......... F.
ciano15 2 years ago
That's idiodic. You focus on the chord.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
wow dude youre obviously just some nerd who thinks he knows everything about music. Ima jazz musician and the way we look at it, if it sounds good, it goes. C phrygian doesnt sound good. Eb Mixo doesnt soung good, Dd lydian doesnt sound good either. You know what does sound good? F minor. IDGAF what the chords are, the PROGRESSION is in F minor.
ciano15 2 years ago
The progression isn't F minor you fucking moron. The progression is clearly F minor, Eb, Db, C. If you can't hear that I'd go back to school because you'll have a hell of a time playing Giant Steps. Oh wait you're probably playing Bb pentatonic over that one right? Haha jazz musician good one.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
from what ive see, you are just some asshole who is here talking shit to every single person who posts trying to help other ppl... seriously man gtfo and get a life. play the guitar instead of looking at it or learning about it. people like you are the ones who cause problems in this world.
ciano15 2 years ago
so i guess ill have to break this down for the pro music theory retard real slow...
check it out man try not to lose me. The chords are Fm, D#7, C#, and Cm.
Just like you said they were. Notes in Fminor scale are F, G, G#, A#, C, C#, and D#.
Now right off the back, unless youre a fucking retard, you will see that every single
chord that you listed has the tonic in the Scale... hope you are still with me...
ciano15 2 years ago
Now lets look at major/min properties. In the Fmin scale these are the basic chords
that go with the notes. Fm, Gdim, G#maj, A#m, Cm, C#maj, and D#7(dom). OMG WOW, WOULD
YOU LOOK AT THAT! Those are the exact chords in this progression! So what weve got so far is,
Fminor fits perfectly.Fucking dumbass. Take your ass back to school cuz you just got owned by
a high school student. Pathetic. Your music theory class obviousy didnt teach you shit.
ciano15 2 years ago
I realize the chords are in the scale you moron. That's because this song is in the key of F minor. You with me so far? Now that doesn't mean you can play F over everything. For example the last chord is a C chord (C E G). Guess what fuckface? E isn't in your scale. Would you look at that. So now you have to adjust for that chord (F harmonic minor or a C arpeggio), or even a combination of the two. Oh and by the way the correct spelling for that scale is F G Ab Bb C Db and Eb. Have fun learning.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
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ciano15 2 years ago
Now before you go all dumbass on me and say "well the first chord is Min7
or whatever, It wont matter. Every single note in every single chord here will fit in one scale,
Fmin. Relative scales would be Ab Major, Eb Mixolydian. The dorian scale you love so much would only fit if used with a root of Bb. Just because you learned about scales doesnt mean you know shit. your ear is obviously off if you think dorian fits. go take an ear training class instead of theory... please...
ciano15 2 years ago
and i cant beleive that your dumb ass said the progression sint in f minor, and then goes on to list every chord in the Ab major (fmin) scale STARTING WITH F MIN, what a fuckin retard... the whole progression revolves around the F chord. it starts with the F chord and The F chord is the Tension release chord. You can hold down the note F the entire time and it will fit 100% perfectly into the progression because F IS THE TONIC, THE ROOT. Ass.
ciano15 2 years ago
Furthermore you don't have to be limited to just one scale. There are other options. you can play "outside notes". For example on the V chord (C) you can play Phrygian Dominant, Whole Tone, Locrian b4 (or Db Melodic Minor), and that's just the beginning, but I guess your still at that point where only one scale works over one chord. Let me know when your ears can actually hear something interesting rather than just predictable drivel.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
The last chord is C not C minor. HAHA Jazz musician. That's funny shit.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
It's a C chord. It's a dominant chord. Are you deaf? Not C minor.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
oh yes youre right, so instead of Eb its E natural... so hmmmm what other scale did i say would work that would raise the Eb to an E.. now lets see the Eb in the Fmin scale is the 7th... omg man whats that scale that has the raised 7th??? OH YEAH THE FUKIN HARMONIC MINOR. DUBASS. Its still not dorian like you said. and ive stated in sever comments ive made on here that F minor and harmonic minor work well... thank you for proving my point. Win. You lose to a high school kid.
ciano15 2 years ago
Here's how it works. Over the F minor chord you can play Dorian, or Aeolian (like you love so much) or Harmonic Minor or Melodic Minor or Blues or even Diminished, and over the C chord you play Phrygian Dominant, Whole Tone, Locrian b4. If you actually knew how to follow a chord progression this would be easy, but I guess counting to four and thinking about the chord is still too much for your tiny little brain. So enjoy your diantonic wankery and let me know when you can follow some chords.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
dude what dont you get? every single note in every single one of those chords fit into the F harmonic minor scale. so even if i played straight arppegios to those chords they would still just all fall into the F harmonic minor mode... i hate when ppl make things more complicated thatn it is. Music is complicated but you still manage to make a very simple progression like this, meant to be jammed over by simple players who need more work improvising, into something complicated. learn to chill...
ciano15 2 years ago
Really? The second chord is Eb you fucking idiot. Eb. Eb is not E, and it is not in the F harmonic minor scale. HAHAHA you're so stupid this is getting funnier by the second. Don't you think at all before you post? HAHAHA jazz player my ass. You'd have trouble improvising over a Nickleback tune.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
Ok whats your point? i said the second chord was D# which is Eb... i see youre trying to say that the harmoinc minor wouldnt work there, all you have to do to avoid that is not play the raised 7th and problem solved... once again you make things difficult. these things become subconcious when you actually get an ear to know when certain notes are to be played, before i knew what the chords even were i knew what scale to use and what notes of that scale not to use when a certain chord came around
ciano15 2 years ago
And actually you said you can play the note F over every chord. Well that would clash pretty hard with the E in the C chord. Why don't you think about what you say. It's obvious you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and even more obvious that you can't play jazz to save your life.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
you can play the note F over every chord because thats the tonic of the progression, and it wont "clash" it builds tension. The reason the C chord is at the end of the progression is because it builds tension which is then released when the tonic F minor chord comes back around. The whole point of that C chord is to build tension and give the progression for flavor... you obviously didnt discuss tension in your theory class, and honesty im not that good at jazz. Im a classical and metal player
ciano15 2 years ago
Yes build tension, and you do that by playing the same scale. If you want tension try a whole tone scale, or a Locrian b4. Playing F over every chord has got to be the lamest way to build tension it's just lazy playing. If you want to get better start by following the chords.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
why play a locrian scale when you can just play F? once again making things more complicated than they are.. i understand what youre saying but why would i play a locrian scale when i could just do whatever i want and chromatic it all the way down the scale? i do what sounds good, i know this theory because i need to know it for classical playing, this kind of jam track isnt nearly as complicated as you make it
ciano15 2 years ago
You play other scales to give it more colour. Why even solo? Why not just play one chord all day, fuck why not one note. When you learn to add different colours and tones you can really give it an original spin. That's where you get your voice. You want to be able to play anything you hear so you are muscially unrestricted. Maybe you like being stuck in the same thing forever, but I want to be able to play anything.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
I recommend the fuckrian mode :)
shanebh 2 years ago 2
And it's really hard to take you seriously when you constantly contradict youself. All you need to play is F minor. All you need to play is F harmonic minor. All you need to play is a combination of the two. I'm a jazz player. Now I'm a metal player. Just accept the fact that you have a lot of learning to do. You won't get anywhere being close minded.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
i admit i was contradicting myself because i completely overlooked the E in the C chord but you also contradicted yourself first off by saying that dorian would be the scale to use when the progression isnt dorian
ciano15 2 years ago
You can use dorian over the whole thing. Mostly I wouldn't but you could. The point I was making was that there is no one scale to play, but rather many scale options.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
There basicaly are two sections in the jam track, one leadinf into the other one. Try the F blues scale to start off, the when the groove slows down do a little thingy with the harmonic minor(im not used to the scale that why I used it here), let it reloop and then finish off with some monster flamenca licks à la Al Dimeola using the NATURAL MINOR SCALE(my personal favourite)...Thats how i tackle this track :) PEACE
shanebh 2 years ago 3
@ciano15 Why did Dickens write "it was the best of times, it was the worst of times" when he could have just said "shit been good, shit been bad". Cause he was looking for a different way of saying something.
jchiaruttini2003 9 months ago
man do you even like music? do you enjoying it? or do you sit there and analyze it? when someone gives you some music do you sit there and think about it or just start playing? jazz is about improvising, not sitting there and planning everything out. i came upon this jam track and i didnt need to know the chords or anything, i instantly knew it was a minor progression and i found the key in about 20 seconds. did you come here to jam or to analyze every aspect of this track? get a life man..
ciano15 2 years ago
I do enjoy that's why I constantly work on other ways to improvise. Anyone can sit there and play the same scale over and over. It's hard to follow the chords. So I work on it. I didn't need to analyze this cause it was an easy progression, but yes there is an analytical side to music and if you don't realize that you'll never get any better. Sometimes you have to let yourself go, but sometimes you have to analyze what you're playing. It's the only way to achieve true musical freedom.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
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ciano15 2 years ago
Haha i havent even heard of the Phrygian scale. LOL
Ive only been playing for a year. And been taught how to play blues pretty well from my friends and teachers.
I love the sound of the spanish guitar and the style.
Thanks for reccomending the scale guys.
How should i look for more backing tracks like these?
keeke2190 2 years ago
Try putting a major third in the C phrygian scale, like if you were playing in F harmonic minor, starting from the fifth.. Really adds some extra exoticness to it
tom237 2 years ago
This backing is the best, i cant play a wrong note with effort!
CrazyTalkin 2 years ago
nice thanks for upload!
blackmetal350 2 years ago
audiomosaic can you email me the mp3 for this?
Tmonie1986 2 years ago
you can use Audacity or any other recording program to record this. just tell the program to record what you are hearing... meaning stereo out or line out or sth :D
asphixa 2 years ago
I haven't read the entire flamefest, but C Phrygian work pretty well for me. Love the track.
Sofatso 2 years ago
Thanks for recommending C Phrygian, works well with my playing. Great Track.
mecco07 2 years ago
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Fair enough but I think Sunderland is just disagreeing for the sake of it then wetting himself, wasting time over it, eventually for a 2 year guitarist with 4 months lessons who also knows that F Dorian doesn't go with it to make a comment.
Yimmery 2 years ago
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Yimmery 2 years ago
I mean, really doesn't it all boil down to HOW we use the scales we're given? I agree that F Dorian does have a 6 that doesn't fit. but most of the scale does, because the rest of it is just F minor.
so can we just get over out big heads and enjoy it? you both came across as a bit pompous. i'm sorry.
nukedapanda 2 years ago
You don't have to be sorry you sound pompous as well. So welcome to the club.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
ok i don't know what you two are going on about with musical credentials and such. i'm a two-year guitarist who's only theory experience is four months of lessons, a poorly conducted high school theory course, and what i can figure out in my practice, which is enough to suprise me.
I don't know what LCM or the Royal Conservatory is, and they both sound far beyond my price range for colleges, so i'll ignore your amazing backgrounds.
The thing is, can't we just enjoy the track?
nukedapanda 2 years ago
We are this is how we enjoy the track. Fuck off and let us enjoy it in our own way. If you don't like it don't read our comments.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
The determination and delusion behind your words is impressive, its almost as though they superseed the comments of others on your profile from various past exploits telling you how much they like you.
Nothing lasts forever you are pretty boring now and yes, this means that you have won.
Yimmery 2 years ago
You know I can delete those comments on my profile whenever I want. I choose to leave them up so that people can see how stupid they are. "Fuck you Dave Grohl is the best fucking drummer ever" I think is my personal favourite, but it doesn't really matter what people think of me the point is that I can use an F dorian scale over this and make it sound sweet, while you need to go back to the LCM and learn about other scale options.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
Always the way with music, it's a performance so a lot of people attracted to it for egotistical reasons for whom being wrong is attached to their ego, you can't win.
A local studio engineer told me that he stopped doing recording and just let the room out for rehersals because that way the engineer didn't have to interact with tosspots.
Yimmery 2 years ago
I could have swore you said you were finished. What happened to that? Do you realize how pathetic you look? Saying you dont' care and you won't post anymore, then you go on to post more than you did in the first place. At any rate, maybe you can't use dorian because you're a shitty player, that's the only explanation for it, but I sure as hell can. Dorian sounds awesome over this groove so does harmonic minor, melodic minor, aeolian, minor pentatonic, blues scale, even diminished and whole tone.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
The 2nd position of the harmonised Major with the intervals of 1 2 flat3 4 5 6 and flat7. In the key of F minor B flat Dorian would fit but not F Dorian like you say. The 6th or D from it is out of place and should only be used as part of non-diatonic phrases, this however doesn't mean that F Dorian goes with it.
I guess I should have just said that in the 1st place rather than laughing at you and your extended diminished 7th maturity.
Yimmery 2 years ago
So were where we? Ah yes the Dorian scale.
Yimmery 2 years ago
Sorry
Yimmery 2 years ago
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FearlessSpinner 2 years ago
F Dorian doesn't go with it, the 6th (D) should only be used temporary as part of a chromatic link such as Eb D(6th) Db C..........Bb C....Ab.........F....E (7th from F Harmonic minor) F.....G
Yimmery 2 years ago
You can use dorian. You just have to careful where you put the sixth, but there are more possilities than just a chromatic link.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
If you say so, I have a grade 8 in music theory and it sounds out of place to me. I should have put "for example" before "as part of" in my last post. I am interested to hear the other possibilities you have for the 6th.
Yimmery 2 years ago
There is no such thing as a grade 8 in music theory, but even if you have the highest level of conservatory theory it doesn't mean you know how to improvise with a given scale. In regards to the dorian scale you can use it any time the F minor chord shows up, and over the rest if you put that note in the right place, but chord theory tells us that a sixth is always major even if the chord is minor so technically you should be playing dorian over the F minor chord.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
If you do a search on google for something like "LCM grade 8 music theory" or for example "ABRSM grade 8 music theory" you will find some information on grade 8 music theory. Excuse me if I haven't bothered to pay any attention to the remainder of your post.
Yimmery 2 years ago
Well your problem is you probably don't pay attention to anything. I don't know what the hell this LCM shit is, but at the Royal Conservatory they don't do grade eight theory. So maybe you're little mail away music school gave you a grade eight theory but most real musicians pay attention to the Royal Conservatory so enjoy your LCM. You know if you had of gone to the conservatory you might understand how to use a dorian scale because the apparantly don't teach that at the LCM.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
For someone so highly esteemed and educated I find it hard to imagine why you would want to spend your time arguing with people over the internet where there are lots of pretentious idiots.
Yimmery 2 years ago
It doesn't really take that much time out of my day.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
So if you think there is no such thing as grade 8 music theory.
Where do you stand on sarcasm?
Yimmery 2 years ago
Well obviously there is grade eight theory at the LCM. I thought we already went over that one, but yea sarcasm is great. Why didn't you pick up on mine mister grade eight theory? I mean you sound pretty high and mighty yourself "I have grade eight theory and I say you can't use dorian over this progression." Yea if you were really awesome you'd know how to use that scale over this progression, and you probably wouldn't be wasting your time here either. So how do you feel about pretention?
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
The difference is that you have replied in such a way that implies you have not spotted sarcasm. Whereas even though I can spot where you are attempting sarcasm, I can't write a commentary about your posts for you to point out where I see attempts at sarcasm.
I do however like the tone of your new post, you have toned it down a bit with less swearing because you are starting to realize how much an idiot you look.
Yimmery 2 years ago
Idiot? I'm not the one who can't use dorian and brags about the fact that they have grade eight theory. What a joke. Here's a tip for you. No one cares what credentials you have in music. Either you can play or you can't, and by the sounds of it you must suck pretty hard because dorian is one of the first scales you learn how to use. Let me know when you catch up and we can talk about some more interesting scales.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
I'm sorry I shouldn't have mentioned that, someone so bitter and with such low self esteem as yourself is bound to interprit it as bragging, you are obviously a very frustrated person.
I think its a shame what you think about credentials knowing that the Royal Conservatory that you often refer to, offer these.
Some spectators have also turned from laughing at your self inflicted humiliation to a feeling of discomfort at the relentness nature of your vacuous, completely pointless bitterness.
Yimmery 2 years ago
You're funny shit man. At least I'm not dumb enough to think I actualy "know" what someone is about based on comments on YouTube. I just like arguing with people about music, and it's obvious you don't actually have a musical point to make you just want to try to insult me, but remember I'm the kind of guy who likes to argue about music on YouTube, so do you actually think I'm taking any of this seriously? You must be a pretty uptight person to take this stuff so seriously.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
Quote: "You must be a pretty uptight person to take this stuff so seriously"
The remainder of my posts on this thread will indicate how seriously I take you.
Yimmery 2 years ago
You don't need to prove how serious you are anymore. You already did with your six previous posts. Running away now will just make it look like you were defeated.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
quote; "You don't need to prove how serious you are anymore".
Don't put yourself down.
My post doesn't talk about "how serious I am", it talks about how serious I am *about you*, which is actually quite a lot, you are superior this is quite clear.
Yimmery 2 years ago
I thought you weren't going to post anymore? What happened to that? You're fucking funny shit man, you're just making yourself look pathetic.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
It's the evening, the comedy channel is good but this is interactive plus the Latin backing track makes good accompaniment itself as a light, jolly mood to accompany the atmoshphere as though a sketch.
Yimmery 2 years ago
That's two.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
and I only mentioned the Royal Conservatory once. I only have my grade two theory, and yet I can use a Dorian scale. So now who wasted their money on something they could've got for free at the library? Looks like you loose again, but don't feel too bad once you stop wasting time thinking you know stuff you can still go to the library read some scale chord relationships. Then go hang out with some real players and learn how it works. That's where the real shit is learned not in a conservatory.
Sunderlanding 2 years ago
would the Ab major scale be a good option for this?
MerryChristmas1988 2 years ago
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Hypnotizeman17 2 years ago
its in F minor.
Hypnotizeman17 2 years ago
yeh, but as you said f minor is the relative minor to Ab major, so thats what i was aksing. Thank you
MerryChristmas1988 2 years ago
well done, fun to play over, and long enough to enjoy it!!
wmwastle 2 years ago
No, not long enough :(
killerbiene243 2 years ago
Sent my video response...
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
I'm uploading my video response now. This is a fun one to play to.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
Great f**king track! Luv Afro-Cuban. Thanks!
Antarblue 2 years ago
F Dorian fits awesome in the quiet parts! Try it!
killerbiene243 2 years ago
latin backing tracks on my tube
qlm86ooe 2 years ago
and I should have done it in flats because its F minor, playing just F minor over it works well, then working on from there.
Yimmery 2 years ago
Although a major, not Dom arpeggio goes over the C#7 chord which is the Lydian modal stage of the harmonised F minor.
Yimmery 2 years ago
Chords I think are; Fmin7 D#7 C#7 C7.
F minor key, can improvise based on that as well as use F minor harmonic or parts of. D# arpeggios like Dom11 or Dom13 sound good too.
Yimmery 2 years ago
These are without a doubt the best backing
tracks I've found on YouTube.
Great orchestration and most fun to jam along
to. Many thanks for these postings.
jwo2854 2 years ago
its a good thing that this track is long because i seriously love this sound its created, cant wait to try soloing over this!!!!!!!
spike4379 2 years ago
Nice Track !!!
bigsponge 3 years ago
The song is in the key of F. Use a harmonic minor scale to solo over it, it sounds cool.
fletchers4 3 years ago
Yeah, I was planning on using either minor or harmonic minor.
RTG91 3 years ago
i think it sounds better in minor melodic.. some nice legatos and phrasings.. but, well, it's just tastes..
StaFershka 3 years ago
dudes... use all of them! and some C phryg in there
ciano15 2 years ago
Could you perhaps send me the file itself? I'd like to use this for a small performance I have in a week, but I won't have access to YouTube.
Also, could you tell me the key it's in?
RTG91 3 years ago
As far as the video response, I'll see if I can hook you up with a decent one. I'm playing it for my Spanish class in school, they're planning on recording it so I'll see about getting it and shooting you a copy via YouTube.
RTG91 3 years ago
if u want the music off this song i suggest using a firefox plugin called download helper, then use cubase or something similar thats edits audio and import the audio from the video file
spike4379 2 years ago