You kids came across this by mistake just as I did. I'm sure this person didn't make the video to impress you. It's most likely he is learning the new program (a very expensive one). Give him some time.
@Guardian100... I guess that's why they had to drop the shields to land a shuttle, huh? Quit pretending that you know Trek, and go back to griping about George Lucas changing your his, I mean, YOUR movie!
"I HAVE ALTERED THE FILM. PRAY I DON'T ALTER IT ANY FURTHER..."
Number one, star wars has photon torpedoes also, they also have missiles, ion cannons AND they dont fire lasers, they fire compressed gas that can be mausered as thus, and lastly star trek shields don't block solids as well
Is not an equal to a shuttle. Star wars shields have this major flaw in them that apparently any solids can pass through, like an xwing or, say, a torpedo.
Okay. One, for all you idiots who think the empire would stand a chance, u can't measure a laser in megatons. Federation shields r much more superior. An antimatter explosion( photon torpedo) well exceeds megatons. Starfleet sensors r also superior. A xwing
I guess you don't realize that the Lexington has something called a shield. This prevents star war ship from doing what they just did. And don't tell me their shields were down. The ship would have picked up hostiles light years away.
that was shit and shit, i didn't see star trek "VERSUS" star wars, i only see three star wars ships taking rings around the bridge of the star trek ship
well iam not a starwars fan and not a star treak fan couse both kinda suck but the ships looks cool .. and i think the stardestroyer looks awsome compared with that flying frying pan , but hehe a friend of my is a star treak fan how come he has failed totally all the nerd talks about is about that .. enterprice .... witch also is kinda funny most girls leaves him becouse he is a nerd :P
star trek would win seeing as they have far better technology, star wars ships dont have very good shields and they only have simple lazer technology.
@caron10130 actually Star Wars weapons are only called lasers, they share none of the characteristics with a L.A.S.E.R.
Star Trek Torpedoes (which are stronger than phasers) are only 24 megatons a pieces, meanwhile Imperial medium Turbolasers (don't let the laser in the name fool you) are worth 200 gigatons each, while heavier ones are in the Teratons.
Star Wars ship shields are designed to withstand prolonged bombardment from multiteraton fire, federation shields can't handle sub gigaton
@caron10130 Second that. They do not need that kind of power because phasers are fully adjustable to penetrate(trans-phasically) any form of shielding that the ship's sensors can easily analyze. Starfleet shielding has been dramatically improved since the onset of wars. Rick Sternbach's book is easily dismissed due to the Federation having wars with the Borg and the Dominion. Federation firepower has also dramatically increased. Quantum torpedoes and Trans-Phasic torpedoes are now in the mix.
@KJOSCOT uh, no, first off Quantum Torpedoes are at best 48 megatons or so, so they are still no match against Turbolasers which are well over 4,000 times stronger.
Phasers don't work that way, they are adjustable to penetrate Coherent Wave Form shielding (shielding set to a specific frequency) but Imperial shields use Incoherent Wave forms so they have no specific frequency to match.
Transphasic torpedoes also wouldn't be able to pass through shielding for the same reason.
Also ship sensors cannot "easily analyze" enemy shields to pass through them, name one, just one instance of that EVER happening, the only times they ever even know what the enemy shield frequency is at is when they have a spy or tap on someone who will go to engineering and look at the display for them to read and find out.
@bryruncorn they didn't analyze the shields by scanning them I pointed Star Trek 7 out already when I said "tap on someone who will go to engineering and look at the display for them to read and find out."
I mean they have never scanned a ship with their sensors and found out what frequency it's shields operate on.
wow there was so much happening for the first minute, nothing like just seeing the enterprise just flying extremely slowly through space with no action whatsoever.......
@greatbowlsofgravy - I used to have an ANCIENT copy of "Commanders Log" that listed the whole fleet... its probably moldering away beneath 50 lbs of WH40K stuff...lol
Stop arguing about nothing its just some animation someone put together. WHO CARES WHICH SIDE WOULD WIN. the two creators aren't going to get together and make a battle scene to determine who would win. so shut up and go out side.
funny part is that's actually true, 1 proton torpedo = 6 Photon torpedoes, combined with faster engines and ECM systems making them almost impossible to hit by Federaiton targeting systems and you got yourself a fun time for your X-wing pilot lol
a TIE fighter equiped with Protons (not anywhere near unheard of) would be able to do the trick., and be more than a match for a squadron of Jem'Hadar bugs, Klingon Birds of Prey or Federation Defiants.
Faster engines - ST vessels can fight at FTL velocity - examples in ST:OT,ST: NG and Voyager. SW vessels all fight at sublight; in all episodes, hyperspace used for travel only. So shooting lightspeed weapons at a warpspeed opponent = losing proposition.
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faster engines? um, no, you seem to be taking that whole "lightspeed" thing too literally, Hyperdrive can only be used for travel yes, but a vessel traveling at warp can only fire on other vessels traveling at warp.
and no, Elaan Troyius is NOT an example of warp strafing, since both the Enterprise and the Klingon vessel were clearly at sublight (sulu was counting down the ranges and the intervals between his counting and the number differences were CLEARLY sublight)
You're right. I was thinking of Journey to Babel where the Enterprise is forced to remain at sub-light against the FTL Orion vessel and was getting pounded. Actual demonstration of FTL superiority vs sublight ship,
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even so, it's more likely that the Orion vessel was goint into warp, then coming out, firing, then going back into warp.
similar to the Picard maneuver but without the after images.
even so, Gene Roddenberry later commented before doing TNG that Warp Strafing was impossible due to the inverse square law. (the only reason that they did it in that episode was because of executive meddling )
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It doesn't change that you could do that all day until your warp engines burn out before an ISD even pretends to care.
considering how it would take, 60 BILLION Quantum torpedoes before an ISD's shields gave out, there's no way in hell that any ship or fleet in the federation or it's allies/enemies would stand a chance.
and that's if we take the Gravity well generators and those funky graviton field things that even Jem'Hadar bugships can use to wrench a ship out of warp.
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out of the equation, and not bother using them.
also considering that Imperial jamming alone can create a field around the ship that warps space and time, they might not even need gravity well generators to screw up warp drives and could easily reconfigure them (in true TNG fashion) to create a warp drive for the ISD.
but it's doubtful that any of those things would be necessary, since the ISD could simply hyper into a system, destroy all military structures and stations and just leave.
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actually they would be unless you put special equipment on them, once they left the warp field it would cause issues with them since they would still be affected by the mass lightening and so forth.
but again, it makes no difference if they can Warp Strafe or not
the Empire has more than enough means to counter it, as well as federation ships being completely incapable of harming an Imperial vessel even if it was a corvette.
Torpedoes would not be subject to inverse square law unless you use some very funny physics. And for extra fun, they maintain FTL velocities. No evidence to support your "warp-in wapr-out" hypothesis. In fact, Spock's analysis of the power utilization indicates maximum output at all times; evidence of top speed at all times.
I seem to recall Scotty saying something like "wallow like a garbage scow against a warp driven starship". He would be a position to realize the disadvantage of the sublight vessel.
Comments in other topic are disabled - can find no evidence Death Star contains neutronium in alloy. Given the surface area and presuming 50% neutronium, it would add as at least much mass as a small star to the Death Star. Got many stormtroopers stuck to the outer walls? Better hope the whole thing doesn't implode.
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problem is Neutronium used in star trek for armour is NOT the same as degenerate matter or "element zero" or what makes up Neutron Stars.
they don't get stuck to the outer walls, and it doesn't implode for the same reason why the hull of the Doomsday machine didn't suck the Enterprise or Constellation into itself, or why the machine didn't implode.
or why the door to the Cardassian HQ didn't sink into the planet.
however, Neutronium armour in both Trek and Wars display the same properties.
All SW action seems to be at knife fight distances. ST battles can take place over 10's of thousand of KM. I'm thinking you cant hurt what you cant hit. And any weapon can be scaled up to everwhelm any staic (subluminal) defense.
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all SW action in the films is based off of containment and entrapment tactics, which requires nearly point blank ranges.
however, they do have the ability to target enemy vessels 100s of millions of KM away (Darth Vader's death squadron planned on doing just that at hoth, hence Vader being displeased at them coming in too close)
the X-wings wanted to take out some of the surface turbolasers, not all of them were in turrets or on towers.
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the source for ISDs using Neutronium is from the Cross Section books.
also, the Federation ships do not have the firepower to hurt Imperial vessles, there IS a limit to how much it can be ramped up, and the increase in speed won't increase the momentum of such attacks, due to the inverse square law and mass lightening the ships undergo at high impulse and warp.
in other words, attacks made at a sublight target from warp will actually be WEAKER than attacks from another sublight target.
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and that mass lightening affects the Torpedoes as well, and it won't increase their yield by any noticable margin.
but, it's a non issue anyhow, for reasons I stated before, the Imperials have more than enough countermeasures for that sort of thing if they decided to bother.
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it also doesn't change that by TNG onwards they never ONCE do any Warp Strafing for reasons that it's impossible by that point (Gene's own decision to retcon that sort of thing from TOS)
this video is clearly TMP era, Gene Made the retcon around that time.
also, they don't need to destroy a single ship to defeat the Federation, so they don't even need to use any warp countermeasure or make their own drives. just destroy their shipyards and starbases, Starfleet can't stay at warp forever
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so in any TMP onwards vs it's foolish to cite examples from TOS as proof that they can do something we never see them do again, because they retconed it so that they couldn't. (if you even know what retconing means)
it means Retroactive Continuity, they said one thing in one episode and then later contradicted it, so one has to be false, in the case of a Retcon, it's the newer statement that becomes true, and the old one that goes away and no longer applies.
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both Warp Strafing and "super antimater" were retconed long before TNG.especially since a Photon torpedo uses 1.5 kg of antimatter, which at 74% efficiency, creates a 48 megaton explosion,
by the dominion war this had increased to 50 megatons,
which is like nothing at all to a Star Destroyer's shields, no matter how fast the Ship firing it is going, be it warp 1 or 100 (Cochrane scale which is a better way of measuring Warp velocities than the TNG scale tbh)
Sorry - warp strafing was demonstrated in Journey to Babel. As far as FTL torpedoes, I wasn't worried about the kinetic energies; the payload will work just fine. As far as ramping up...well a cruiser can drag a 100,000 ton asteroid with an equal mix of antimatter contained inside it at say warp 7 and drop it on top of any SW target before it could react. That might affect some shields. Or Cardassians made a warp drive planet killer missile; Feds could do it better.
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sorry, but Journey to Babel was a TOS episode, TOS = The Original Series, which means it has no bearing on TMP (The Motion Picture) and onwards.
hard part is containing and obtaining that much antimatter safely it has just as much of a chance of destroying whatever ship you are trying to tow it with.
100,000 tons of antimatter = 4 terratons at 100% efficiency, and such a jury rigged weapon would be lucky enough to have a 10% efficiency reaction, so only 400 gigatons.
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another flaw with your "plan" is that the Logistical requirements that you have obviously ignored.
the Federation lacks the industrial capacity to create such weapons in such a timeframe, the Empire would completely obliterate their starbases and shipyards in mere hours.
Starfleet has never even CONSIDERED such a feat to begin with, which would add MORE time to it.
the Empire would be running the Federation long before such a plan got past the early conceptual stages.
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also the Empire would see such ships coming on their long range sensors, (sensors which are advanced enough to make hyperjumps WITHOUT starcharts within ranges of 30 lightyears, meaning they can go across an entire sector of space they have never explored before in a matter of minutes, seconds if they have a decent starchart)
it takes Days for warp to do the same even within friendly territory, they can simply outmaneuver the ships.
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and once again, a point you have ignored TWICE, they have countermeasures that I have ALREADY described.
but since you undoubtedly weren't paying attention, I'll list them AGAIN, if you still persist in this idiocy without even acknowledging that you READ these posts, I have nothing more to say to you...
a. Gravity Well generators: they can create a field of gravometric distortion equal to that of an entire planet, wrenching vessels out of Warp and hyperspace alike.
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b. an extremely low powered beam version exists that even Jem'Hadar BUG SHIPS can use.
c. Imperial Jamming equipment is so powerful that it warps the very fabric of space, such a device could be easily reconfigured into a warp drive.
e. the Empire could BUY a warp drive and designs from the Ferengi, and with their superior power generation, make FASTER and more efficient drives WITHOUT nacelles.
so yeah, just accept it, the Federation has no chance against the Empire, no matter what they do.
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oops seems I made a slight error in the calcs, figured it for 100,000 kilograms rather than tons,
funny part is, that adds MORE problems, and while it DOES increase the yield to be a bit more impressive, the logistic implications make it a one shot weapon at best.
not only that, but it causes more reaction problems, decreasing the efficiency down to 1% (this is being extremely generous i might add)
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since this is a jury rigged device involving 100 million kg, where as a photon torpedo, which only has 1.5 kg and is a dedicated device with over 100 years of refinement only has a 74% efficiency)
only increases the yield to a maximum of 4 teratons.
it would take 200 of those things hitting an ISD every Second for 30 minutes straight to bring it's shields down, and the federation would be damn lucky to be able to build one, let alone deliver it.
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the cardassian dreadnought has well under a 400 gigaton blast, it would take hundreds of them to affect a Single Star Destroyer.
I already cited the Neutronium armour reference as being in the Cross Sections books, "Star Wars Complete Cross Sections" if you want to be specific.
so either start paying attention to what I say or I will stop paying attention to you, you've obviously ignored two points I've made (that of TOS references on Warp Strafing being irrelevant, and the CCS)
Let's break it down TOS style. The Doomsday Machine broke up and digested planets. The Enterprise withstood several direct hits from it's antiporoton beam. OTH the entire Empire Fleet couldn't destroy a single planet as effectively as a Death Star (H. Solo). One Star Destroyer would not cause undue concern to any version of Enterprise.
I think you're really overestimating the value of Empire tech. I recall one time where one of their finest legions with armor, modern weapons and mechanized units got its ass kicked by a pre-indusrial, superstitious tribe of furry 3 foot natives. Who knew Imperial armor could be pierced by pointy sticks? Good thing they were never attacked by Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
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the 3 foot part is actually more of an advantage to the ewoks, their small size makes them far more dificult to see in the undergrowth, and since it doesn't seem to hinder their strength at all (they easily managed to tear weapons out of the hands of the humans and even managed to play tug of war with a wookiee!)
most of the Imperial force were elsewhere on the planet, we only saw a platoon worth standing outside the endor bunker along with a few walking jeeps.
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stuff that happends in TNG overrides stuff from TOS, it's a sad fact that Gene didn't think as highly of TOS as his precious TNG.
Riker states in "Pegasus" that it would take most of their torpedoes to destroy an 8km by 5km hollow asteroid.
we SAW Jango fett's Seismic charges accomplishing such feats, with blast radii easily 8km with no sign of the blast being weaker at the edge than at the epicenter, such concentration and consistency would require the same energy of a 20gigaton nuke
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also, we saw a >400 gigawatt blast down the enterprise's shields in "the Survivors"
TIE Fighters are rated at 32,000gw
in order for Slave 1 to have done the kind of damage it did with blasters to the asteroids in AotC, would REQUIRE each shot to have the same energy as a 2 kiloton nuke.
you may go by what you think you see in the movies, but you're neither a professional engineer nor have a PHD in theoretical astrophysics.
which is what the Complete Cross Sections book is for
TOS wasnt meant to be a serious series. Just look at the blue hotel look and fancy uniforms. And the special effects sucked for that time (compare them with 2001: A Space Odessey). But the fans wanted Kirk's crew back, producers decided to make it serious for cinema. TNG is the logical continuation of these movies.
First off, TOS was meant to be taken serious. I've watched many documentaries on behind the scenes of the TV show. NBC and the shows writers, producers, and even cast, took the show as a big deal, and put alot of effort into it. Everything from the uniforms to the music and sound effects, it was next-gen for that time.
Also, the special effects did not suck for their time. The sets were nicer on Odyssey and only because it had a big budget being a movie. Star Trek's budget was tight.
It was so meant to be taken serious. You are just not a fan of TOS and don't get the show. You never watched all the things from behind the scenes and read all of the books on it.
The show had it's silly episodes but there were many good ones as well. And compared to the crap on TV today, what's better? Soap opera type story lines with no action or the original Star Trek that always worked around a well written story line with action involved?
You seriously can not compare a television show's special effects to a high budget film. For television, Star Trek was as nice as they could afford. Compare TOS with Lost in Space and you'll see a major difference. And as far as TOS not meant to be serious, I believe sedativechunk already defeated that point. The "silly" shows most of the time were used as satire when talking about political issues of the day.
Back when TOS was aired is was definately a serious series. It helped Roddenberry express his opinions about the issues of the day. When you compare TOS to modern sci-fi it feels campy only because it is outdated...Tastes change, our interpretation of sci-fi is much darker now then it was in the 50's and the 60's so yes...Looking at it through the lense of a modern sci-fi fan it looks like a joke... I agree with Christina and Chuck, do your homework before jumping to conclusions.
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There we get into the heart ot the matter - how time after time a plucky band of individuals overcomes the overwhelming might of the Empire. Give that plucky band some antimatter weapons, transporter tech and the Empire will be undone before theyre could be any sequels.
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Ummmm...no. What's on screen trumps any after-market book. And I smell the depserate scent of rationlizations....a machine programmed to destroy will use a less than full force attack? That fact came from you, not the script.
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not really since we have no idea how long it takes the doomsday machine to charge up it's main gun, and everything in TNG states that they CANNOT withstand a planet busting shot.
and it IS on screen, not a rationalization thereof, just what was on screen elaborated and put into words to avoid misconceptions like the kinds you have.
antimatter weapons and transporters wouldn't be any improvement over what the rebels had, the Rebels had tech FAR beyond the Federation.
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1.5kg antimatter and 1.5kg of matter = 64 megatons absolute tops,
1.5kg antimatter is the payload on a photon torpedo and they only get 48 megatons out of it.
1 Turbolaser shot = 200,000 megatons minimum, with some capable of 40,000,000 megatons per shot, with 1 shot per second and ships with dozens of these guns
as said before, they can't even withstand much more than a 400 gigawatt burst, do you have any idea how much energy it takes to destroy a planet? obviously not
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face it, the cross sections book is canon since nothing on screen overrides it, hell it was made during filming and based on what was seen on screen, by people who know what they are talking about and did so under the auspices of Industrial Light and Magic at skywalker ranch while they were doing the scenes in the case of the attack of the clones and revenge of the sith portions.
just because you have no idea what it takes to do some of the things on screen doesn't make that book irrelevant.
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or rather, nothing on screen contradicts it,
meanwhile, there are tons of contradictions to your claim that the enterprise can withstand a planet busting shots, evidence in TNG repeatedly shows gigawatt level firepower causing damage to either shields or in the case of the shuttlecrafts, a 900megawatt burst shooting down a runabout and the aformentioned 400 gw bringing down the Enterprise D's shields
it takes 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 times that to destroy a planet with firepower alone.
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and there is no explicit or even implicit evidence that the Doomsday machine fired full powered bursts against the enterprise or decker's ship, since we never even SAW it destroy a planet and they never stated it was firing at full power.
Han is a mere smuggler who was wrong about the empire lacking the ability to destroy a planet, a Rebel General states the Death Star's firepower only exceeds HALF that of the Imperial fleet, the imperial fleet has almost twice the firepower of the Death Star!
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defenes vs Transporters
1. Shields,
2. The neutronium hulls,
3..Reactor Interference (star destroyers have several, one main and like 4 backups, unlike warp cores, Imperial reactors as a rule don't explode when damaged, they just shut down such as the one on the Tantive IV. only the Death Stars and the Star Destroyer test rig using the Death Star's prototype reactor were exceptions)
4.transporter inhibitors can be set up all over the ship
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You guys forget that this is ALL FAKE!! NONE OF IT IS REAL!!! So don't waste ur time on things that DON'T EXIST!!! Just enjoy Star Wars and Star Trek for what they are!!!
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no one but people who have no grasp on real science thinks that Science-fiction is realistic, but hopefully it is internally consistent.
course with a Long running series like Star Trek that consistency won't be likely, but the Star Wars ICS books are designed to be used by ILM and Lucasfilm to promote consistency, IE reference books for future projects.
Actually, Star Trek always had more realism than Star Wars, as Star Trek always had scientists on hand, to make sure things weren't to out there, while they were impossible, they were never to far outside the realm of possibility.
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really, where were the scientists to tell them that a crack in an event horizon is completely nonsensical and impossible, or to put a kibosh on the Episode Threshold, or to tell them that -291 degrees Celsius is 20 degrees BELOW Absolute Zero! as in, all mater slowed down to the point that it stopped moving, then kept slowing down!
at least Star Wars knows the definition of the word "Vapourize" rather than throw it around as if it was interchangeable with "destroy" or "disintegrate"
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in fact, we have NEVER seen a single thing be Vapourized in Star Trek, only magically disintegrate without a trace, in Empire Strikes Back however, we see light Turbolasers vapourize asteroids, no Asteroid has even been Disintegrated on Star Trek, let alone Vapourized.
you wanna know why people aren't Vapourized in Trek? imagine boiling 80kg of water in 1-3 seconds and stand in the same room with it. the steam would scald everyone in the room.
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doing something that is a theoretical impossibility requires changing Reality itself,
going to Warp infinity, finding a crack in an event horizon, or temperatures below absolute zero are all about as likely as an infant making a full court goal in basketball without a net, and that's being optimistic.
They have proved that if you have enough power you can travel fastest enough to traverse time.
I never said Trek was completely realistic, that's what you missed, then you admit that it's likely, they said breaking the sound barrier would never be achieved or happen, and look it happened.
lol, yea, that's why so many of the terms used in the original 1960's Star Trek is used in Star Wars, Gene Roddenberry originally called the beam weapons lasers, but thought it was to primitive a term, so he named them phasers, Star Wars still used lasers.
Star Trek has been around long before the first Star Wars movie my friend.
At least up until the last Trek movie, they followed a timeline, not creating the end first, and the beginning last.
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Hypermatter, completely theoretical, mainly cause Antimatter isn't enough to generate the kind of power needed for Star Wars ships to do what they do.
breaking the sound barrier and doing what was done in Threshold are two completely different things, the Infinite Improbability Drive makes a helluva lot more sense.
Threshold was so bad that Paramount made it non-canon, not just cause of the whole Warp Bitchen thing, but also because of the Evolutionary Predestination BS.
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I am under no illusions that Trek doesn't Predate Star Wars, I know Trek was around in the 60s and Wars was around in the 70s
but just because Terms used in Trek are also used in Wars means nothing, I suggest you watch "Forbidden Planet" since that inspired BOTH Trek and Wars.
Wars Did however inspire Trek to do the movies and TNG, they wouldn't have existed without Star Wars.
2001 Space Odyssey also helped both franchises, as well as Planet of the Apes.
lol, Star Trek would have done just fine on it's own, like it has done, after all it's more successful, 11 movies, 6 series, books, games, influenced much more than audiences, Star Trek inspired an Army base command center to be designed after the original series bridge, flip phones from the original communicator, iPods from the TNG PADD, advancements in many other fields.
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you really are dilusional, Trek's movies and series haven't influenced "much more audiences" just because they have more films and TV series does not equal greater success, only that Paramount wanted to keep milking the franchise, Lucas on the other hand Is only now starting to really spread out into TV because he didn't feel it necessary to do so before.
Communicators have more in common with Walkie Talkies than they do with Cell Phones.
I didn't say it was b/c of their success, most of NASA is a fan of Star Trek, I have seen more famous people on Trek, than Wars.
Most of the franchise is created by Gene Roddenberry, Paramount just brought it to life, Gene Roddenberry wrote TOS, and TNG until he passed away in 1991.
I have seen the History channel show "Trek Tech" and the guy that came up with the design of the flip phone, said he got it from the TOS communicator, thanks.
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good for you and good for him, doesn't surprise me that most of NASA is a fan of trek, being all exploration, but guess what, of people in the Air force, Army or Navy, their favorite Sci-fi is most commonly Star Wars.
I am referring to the function of the Communicator being a direct link device, while the Cell Phone bounces from relay tower to relay tower before reaching another cell phone.
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Sci-fi always inspires real life, Wars inspires more military applications while Trek sometimes inspires Exploration and telecomunications,
hell even Babylon 5's Starfuries have inspired some NASA Designs, to the point where we should be seeing some Starfuries flying around the ISS someday soon (in fact they were supposed to be under development now, but got delayed due to various cost issues.)
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in fact, the Stormtrooper armour design has been used by Scuba Divers to protect them from Humboldt Squid and other dangerous sea creatures, with great effect.
Hypermatter was tachyonic matter that existed in hyperspace. When constrained by realspace, charged tachyons were annihilated as they accelerated to infinite speed within a reactor.
Sounds like the similar reaction between matter and antimatter.
What do Star Wars ships do, that require a bigger reaction than the collision of Antimatter and matter?
Also, Star Wars ships are very unconventional in size, Star Trek ships are more practical in design, as said by many experts on this type of thing.
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actually star trek ships are horribly impractical, they are flimsy, poorly designed vessels who's form create unnecessary structural stress, especially long the neck and nacelle pylons for example.
they also lack turrets, their viewscreens do not overlay on windows, and they have considerable difficulty concentrating the firepower on their vessels.
the turret and viewscreen issue was rectified in the new film, mostly because JJ.Abrams is more a Star Wars fan than a Trek one.
Also, the form of travel in Wars called Hyperspace is sometimes used to enable and explain faster than light, is just another name for Star Trek's warp speed, which when I seen in Star Wars looks more like Star Treks Transwarp, which is completely different than warp speed.
Ironically, my dad is more into Star Wars than Trek, and he even said Trek was more realistic of the two.
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what your dad says is irrelevant, also Hyperdrive has more in common with Slipstream than Transwarp, it's also faster than both of em.
that's one of the reasons why Matter/Antimatter isn't enough to power the ships.
the other is the Ion Drives, Turbolasers and Shields, which are enormously powerful.
the Death Star's main gun as well, requires more energy than if the Entire death star's mass was made of Antimatter and collided with another death Star of matter.
In Trek a 'quantum slipstream drive' is an advanced form of interstellar propulsion that achieved and exceeded what failed Federation attempts using transwarp were meant to do: exceed the warp speed barrier.
Yea, the moon size death star, and the main gun stuck on one side, Star Trek ships could run circles around it.
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Quantum Slipstream Drive has a max speed of 1,000,000c or 1 million times the speed of light.
max Warp can go somewhere around 1,000-2,000c tops
depending on the grade of Hyperdrive you can go anywhere from 10,000,000c -100,000,000c crossing galactic Distances in a matter of hours rather than Months with Slipstream, or Decades at Warp.
also, if a hostile Federation ship tried to fly circles around it, they'd get wasted by the surface Turbolasers.
My god is studio max awful for cinematic CG!
mdurwin 1 month ago
You kids came across this by mistake just as I did. I'm sure this person didn't make the video to impress you. It's most likely he is learning the new program (a very expensive one). Give him some time.
erichkruger 1 month ago
You really need some sound to make it exciting.
cuteblondecrystal 2 months ago
bit of music would be nice :)
jonnydwelshboy 3 months ago
2 word this sucks
SuperLuisfire 4 months ago
The registry number of the Enterprise is NCC-1701, not NCC-1709.
SunshineStudios100 4 months ago
@SunshineStudios100 look closer. its the Lexington. not Enterprise.
cydonianman 4 months ago
@Guardian100... I guess that's why they had to drop the shields to land a shuttle, huh? Quit pretending that you know Trek, and go back to griping about George Lucas changing your his, I mean, YOUR movie!
"I HAVE ALTERED THE FILM. PRAY I DON'T ALTER IT ANY FURTHER..."
Kvic2112 5 months ago
poop!
ryanwilliams100 5 months ago
I'M GOING TO SLEEEEP!!!!
THIS SUCKS
Startrekmad200 5 months ago
Well, needs more action
Axiom1386 5 months ago
you sir suck, that video was a piece of asdfauydfgpoisdpgodfjpgsodfygposhdfpg
shdggsdv 7 months ago
Photons
Guardsmen100 7 months ago
And there's no expensible matter in space for photonsisaiahawsum
Guardsmen100 7 months ago
Number one, star wars has photon torpedoes also, they also have missiles, ion cannons AND they dont fire lasers, they fire compressed gas that can be mausered as thus, and lastly star trek shields don't block solids as well
Guardsmen100 7 months ago
You should remake this video displaying the best comments you earned.
DanielBMS 7 months ago
Is not an equal to a shuttle. Star wars shields have this major flaw in them that apparently any solids can pass through, like an xwing or, say, a torpedo.
isaiahawsum 8 months ago
Okay. One, for all you idiots who think the empire would stand a chance, u can't measure a laser in megatons. Federation shields r much more superior. An antimatter explosion( photon torpedo) well exceeds megatons. Starfleet sensors r also superior. A xwing
isaiahawsum 8 months ago
??
moriluk 9 months ago
You can't compare one film with series. If you like Star Trek, then you like Star Wars.
ExhibitMan 11 months ago
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Victor4815 11 months ago
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTT
Bsoler97 1 year ago
Hey, it's like the prequels! Slow, special effect-ridden, and lame!
ThisbyBooks 1 year ago
Star trek >> Star wars
Deniecu 1 year ago
lllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
UrgedCRUSHER 1 year ago
WOW! What an epic battle! You rule dude. No seriously, this sucks lagoon water.
HortHawg 1 year ago
epic fail no cool stuff
Mybuddhakitty 1 year ago
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FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!!
emodrmmr007 1 year ago
no sound no action what da deal !!!
RICK93IR 1 year ago
I don't get it. Who won?
Why are the TIEs and X-wings flying togather?
Recomended to do list for Rarghi:
Decide that the United Federation of Planets win.
Add more TIE fighters and remove the X-wings. The Empire rules, but not as mush as the UFP.
Add lazers shooting
Make it so the battle is more than a few seconds
franktheflowertoons 1 year ago
I guess you don't realize that the Lexington has something called a shield. This prevents star war ship from doing what they just did. And don't tell me their shields were down. The ship would have picked up hostiles light years away.
thefinalfrontier1701 1 year ago
Realistic because of no sound, and nice models, nice animation, but do more dude.
mechaghostman2 1 year ago 2
People on the Enterprise: "wtf was that?"
dragonridley 1 year ago
more like star wars around star trek
Startrekboy1138 1 year ago 2
that was shit and shit, i didn't see star trek "VERSUS" star wars, i only see three star wars ships taking rings around the bridge of the star trek ship
bryruncorn 1 year ago
well iam not a starwars fan and not a star treak fan couse both kinda suck but the ships looks cool .. and i think the stardestroyer looks awsome compared with that flying frying pan , but hehe a friend of my is a star treak fan how come he has failed totally all the nerd talks about is about that .. enterprice .... witch also is kinda funny most girls leaves him becouse he is a nerd :P
smilgars 1 year ago
@smilgars Most of your favorited videos are Star wars and Warhammer videos. So you're closet fan, and you're a nerd.
You Fail.
Now tits or GTFO.
conscript125 1 year ago
Fans of Star Wars live in their parents basements and play WoW all day. Fans of Star Trek go to college and become engineers and scientists. Sorry.
translucentorb 1 year ago
@translucentorb lmao i'm a trek fan but i'm no engineer or scientist :-p
bryruncorn 1 year ago
A tie fighter wouldn't touch any federation ship with shields
stiehler1117 1 year ago
omg don't you guys have a dungeons & dragons game to go to?
TheEmperorofthevoid 1 year ago 2
star trek would win seeing as they have far better technology, star wars ships dont have very good shields and they only have simple lazer technology.
caron10130 1 year ago
@caron10130 actually Star Wars weapons are only called lasers, they share none of the characteristics with a L.A.S.E.R.
Star Trek Torpedoes (which are stronger than phasers) are only 24 megatons a pieces, meanwhile Imperial medium Turbolasers (don't let the laser in the name fool you) are worth 200 gigatons each, while heavier ones are in the Teratons.
Star Wars ship shields are designed to withstand prolonged bombardment from multiteraton fire, federation shields can't handle sub gigaton
Perion 1 year ago
@caron10130 Second that. They do not need that kind of power because phasers are fully adjustable to penetrate(trans-phasically) any form of shielding that the ship's sensors can easily analyze. Starfleet shielding has been dramatically improved since the onset of wars. Rick Sternbach's book is easily dismissed due to the Federation having wars with the Borg and the Dominion. Federation firepower has also dramatically increased. Quantum torpedoes and Trans-Phasic torpedoes are now in the mix.
KJOSCOT 1 year ago
@KJOSCOT uh, no, first off Quantum Torpedoes are at best 48 megatons or so, so they are still no match against Turbolasers which are well over 4,000 times stronger.
Phasers don't work that way, they are adjustable to penetrate Coherent Wave Form shielding (shielding set to a specific frequency) but Imperial shields use Incoherent Wave forms so they have no specific frequency to match.
Transphasic torpedoes also wouldn't be able to pass through shielding for the same reason.
Perion 1 year ago
Also ship sensors cannot "easily analyze" enemy shields to pass through them, name one, just one instance of that EVER happening, the only times they ever even know what the enemy shield frequency is at is when they have a spy or tap on someone who will go to engineering and look at the display for them to read and find out.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion star trek 7 with the blind man :-)
bryruncorn 1 year ago
@bryruncorn they didn't analyze the shields by scanning them I pointed Star Trek 7 out already when I said "tap on someone who will go to engineering and look at the display for them to read and find out."
I mean they have never scanned a ship with their sensors and found out what frequency it's shields operate on.
Perion 1 year ago
Clone Trooper: Sir! The star ship Enterprise is headed our way!
Darth Vader: Fire the turbo cannons!
Clone Trooper: But sir! they have turbo cannons too!
Hman240 1 year ago
@Hman240 uh, no they don't.
Perion 1 year ago
Nice model.
JVL60 1 year ago
thats stupid
Doctortrek1 1 year ago
1:19 you can clearly see it's the U.S.S. Lexington and I think NCC-1709
StelarCF 1 year ago
you lied
2Dodgeboys 1 year ago
star wars wuld win
1993Conner 1 year ago
crap
shoopdawhooification 1 year ago
well porn is better than this
sonicdahedgog1 1 year ago 13
lame
dale859 1 year ago 9
wow there was so much happening for the first minute, nothing like just seeing the enterprise just flying extremely slowly through space with no action whatsoever.......
willmott2k10 1 year ago 2
@willmott2k10 except that's not even the enterprise
greatbowlsofgravy 1 year ago
that was not star track vs star wars thats 2 tie fighters chasing a x-wing around the enterprize
tylervth 1 year ago
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@tylervth except that's not the enterprise
greatbowlsofgravy 1 year ago
star trek *FIRE THE PHASERS, oh crap hes firing the death star, KNOW IS THE TIME TO GET DRUNK
avenger1002 1 year ago
wtf was that ? it says VS not nere the battle
justin162311 2 years ago 2
thats not startrek vs starwars its the empire ve republix x-wing fighter
rhys12345j 2 years ago
1709 is the USS Lexington I think, pause the video and check during the flybys
stardestroyer001 2 years ago
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Star Trek becomes fucked, royally.
ImperatorDerGalaxis 2 years ago
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What ship is the 1709?
OPE08 2 years ago
@OPE08 USS Lexington
greatbowlsofgravy 1 year ago
@greatbowlsofgravy - I used to have an ANCIENT copy of "Commanders Log" that listed the whole fleet... its probably moldering away beneath 50 lbs of WH40K stuff...lol
OPE08 1 year ago
@OPE08 that's actually kinda cool
greatbowlsofgravy 1 year ago
Stop arguing about nothing its just some animation someone put together. WHO CARES WHICH SIDE WOULD WIN. the two creators aren't going to get together and make a battle scene to determine who would win. so shut up and go out side.
Cyphrik 2 years ago
the enterprise would get its ass kick by 1 rebel blockade runner
hell an x wing could do it
zachdk1 2 years ago
funny part is that's actually true, 1 proton torpedo = 6 Photon torpedoes, combined with faster engines and ECM systems making them almost impossible to hit by Federaiton targeting systems and you got yourself a fun time for your X-wing pilot lol
a TIE fighter equiped with Protons (not anywhere near unheard of) would be able to do the trick., and be more than a match for a squadron of Jem'Hadar bugs, Klingon Birds of Prey or Federation Defiants.
Perion 2 years ago
but ty for agreein with me
LONG LIVE R2-D2
every 1 know star wars rules
but the ships form halo would just rape both star wars and star trek
the mac cannon rapes
halos ships r the closest to reality =]
zachdk1 2 years ago
Faster engines - ST vessels can fight at FTL velocity - examples in ST:OT,ST: NG and Voyager. SW vessels all fight at sublight; in all episodes, hyperspace used for travel only. So shooting lightspeed weapons at a warpspeed opponent = losing proposition.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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faster engines? um, no, you seem to be taking that whole "lightspeed" thing too literally, Hyperdrive can only be used for travel yes, but a vessel traveling at warp can only fire on other vessels traveling at warp.
and no, Elaan Troyius is NOT an example of warp strafing, since both the Enterprise and the Klingon vessel were clearly at sublight (sulu was counting down the ranges and the intervals between his counting and the number differences were CLEARLY sublight)
Perion 2 years ago
You're right. I was thinking of Journey to Babel where the Enterprise is forced to remain at sub-light against the FTL Orion vessel and was getting pounded. Actual demonstration of FTL superiority vs sublight ship,
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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even so, it's more likely that the Orion vessel was goint into warp, then coming out, firing, then going back into warp.
similar to the Picard maneuver but without the after images.
even so, Gene Roddenberry later commented before doing TNG that Warp Strafing was impossible due to the inverse square law. (the only reason that they did it in that episode was because of executive meddling )
Perion 2 years ago
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It doesn't change that you could do that all day until your warp engines burn out before an ISD even pretends to care.
considering how it would take, 60 BILLION Quantum torpedoes before an ISD's shields gave out, there's no way in hell that any ship or fleet in the federation or it's allies/enemies would stand a chance.
and that's if we take the Gravity well generators and those funky graviton field things that even Jem'Hadar bugships can use to wrench a ship out of warp.
Perion 2 years ago
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out of the equation, and not bother using them.
also considering that Imperial jamming alone can create a field around the ship that warps space and time, they might not even need gravity well generators to screw up warp drives and could easily reconfigure them (in true TNG fashion) to create a warp drive for the ISD.
but it's doubtful that any of those things would be necessary, since the ISD could simply hyper into a system, destroy all military structures and stations and just leave.
Perion 2 years ago
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actually they would be unless you put special equipment on them, once they left the warp field it would cause issues with them since they would still be affected by the mass lightening and so forth.
but again, it makes no difference if they can Warp Strafe or not
the Empire has more than enough means to counter it, as well as federation ships being completely incapable of harming an Imperial vessel even if it was a corvette.
Perion 2 years ago
Torpedoes would not be subject to inverse square law unless you use some very funny physics. And for extra fun, they maintain FTL velocities. No evidence to support your "warp-in wapr-out" hypothesis. In fact, Spock's analysis of the power utilization indicates maximum output at all times; evidence of top speed at all times.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
I seem to recall Scotty saying something like "wallow like a garbage scow against a warp driven starship". He would be a position to realize the disadvantage of the sublight vessel.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
Comments in other topic are disabled - can find no evidence Death Star contains neutronium in alloy. Given the surface area and presuming 50% neutronium, it would add as at least much mass as a small star to the Death Star. Got many stormtroopers stuck to the outer walls? Better hope the whole thing doesn't implode.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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problem is Neutronium used in star trek for armour is NOT the same as degenerate matter or "element zero" or what makes up Neutron Stars.
they don't get stuck to the outer walls, and it doesn't implode for the same reason why the hull of the Doomsday machine didn't suck the Enterprise or Constellation into itself, or why the machine didn't implode.
or why the door to the Cardassian HQ didn't sink into the planet.
however, Neutronium armour in both Trek and Wars display the same properties.
Perion 2 years ago
Source for neutronium armor in SW?
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
AND
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
AND if the Death Star was neutronium plated, why were the X-Wings attacking the surface at all? And getting pretty explosions as a result?
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
All SW action seems to be at knife fight distances. ST battles can take place over 10's of thousand of KM. I'm thinking you cant hurt what you cant hit. And any weapon can be scaled up to everwhelm any staic (subluminal) defense.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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all SW action in the films is based off of containment and entrapment tactics, which requires nearly point blank ranges.
however, they do have the ability to target enemy vessels 100s of millions of KM away (Darth Vader's death squadron planned on doing just that at hoth, hence Vader being displeased at them coming in too close)
the X-wings wanted to take out some of the surface turbolasers, not all of them were in turrets or on towers.
Perion 2 years ago
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the source for ISDs using Neutronium is from the Cross Section books.
also, the Federation ships do not have the firepower to hurt Imperial vessles, there IS a limit to how much it can be ramped up, and the increase in speed won't increase the momentum of such attacks, due to the inverse square law and mass lightening the ships undergo at high impulse and warp.
in other words, attacks made at a sublight target from warp will actually be WEAKER than attacks from another sublight target.
Perion 2 years ago
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and that mass lightening affects the Torpedoes as well, and it won't increase their yield by any noticable margin.
but, it's a non issue anyhow, for reasons I stated before, the Imperials have more than enough countermeasures for that sort of thing if they decided to bother.
Perion 2 years ago
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it also doesn't change that by TNG onwards they never ONCE do any Warp Strafing for reasons that it's impossible by that point (Gene's own decision to retcon that sort of thing from TOS)
this video is clearly TMP era, Gene Made the retcon around that time.
also, they don't need to destroy a single ship to defeat the Federation, so they don't even need to use any warp countermeasure or make their own drives. just destroy their shipyards and starbases, Starfleet can't stay at warp forever
Perion 2 years ago
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so in any TMP onwards vs it's foolish to cite examples from TOS as proof that they can do something we never see them do again, because they retconed it so that they couldn't. (if you even know what retconing means)
it means Retroactive Continuity, they said one thing in one episode and then later contradicted it, so one has to be false, in the case of a Retcon, it's the newer statement that becomes true, and the old one that goes away and no longer applies.
Perion 2 years ago
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both Warp Strafing and "super antimater" were retconed long before TNG.especially since a Photon torpedo uses 1.5 kg of antimatter, which at 74% efficiency, creates a 48 megaton explosion,
by the dominion war this had increased to 50 megatons,
which is like nothing at all to a Star Destroyer's shields, no matter how fast the Ship firing it is going, be it warp 1 or 100 (Cochrane scale which is a better way of measuring Warp velocities than the TNG scale tbh)
Perion 2 years ago
Sorry - warp strafing was demonstrated in Journey to Babel. As far as FTL torpedoes, I wasn't worried about the kinetic energies; the payload will work just fine. As far as ramping up...well a cruiser can drag a 100,000 ton asteroid with an equal mix of antimatter contained inside it at say warp 7 and drop it on top of any SW target before it could react. That might affect some shields. Or Cardassians made a warp drive planet killer missile; Feds could do it better.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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sorry, but Journey to Babel was a TOS episode, TOS = The Original Series, which means it has no bearing on TMP (The Motion Picture) and onwards.
hard part is containing and obtaining that much antimatter safely it has just as much of a chance of destroying whatever ship you are trying to tow it with.
100,000 tons of antimatter = 4 terratons at 100% efficiency, and such a jury rigged weapon would be lucky enough to have a 10% efficiency reaction, so only 400 gigatons.
not bad, but not enough.
Perion 2 years ago
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another flaw with your "plan" is that the Logistical requirements that you have obviously ignored.
the Federation lacks the industrial capacity to create such weapons in such a timeframe, the Empire would completely obliterate their starbases and shipyards in mere hours.
Starfleet has never even CONSIDERED such a feat to begin with, which would add MORE time to it.
the Empire would be running the Federation long before such a plan got past the early conceptual stages.
Perion 2 years ago
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also the Empire would see such ships coming on their long range sensors, (sensors which are advanced enough to make hyperjumps WITHOUT starcharts within ranges of 30 lightyears, meaning they can go across an entire sector of space they have never explored before in a matter of minutes, seconds if they have a decent starchart)
it takes Days for warp to do the same even within friendly territory, they can simply outmaneuver the ships.
Perion 2 years ago
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and once again, a point you have ignored TWICE, they have countermeasures that I have ALREADY described.
but since you undoubtedly weren't paying attention, I'll list them AGAIN, if you still persist in this idiocy without even acknowledging that you READ these posts, I have nothing more to say to you...
a. Gravity Well generators: they can create a field of gravometric distortion equal to that of an entire planet, wrenching vessels out of Warp and hyperspace alike.
Perion 2 years ago
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b. an extremely low powered beam version exists that even Jem'Hadar BUG SHIPS can use.
c. Imperial Jamming equipment is so powerful that it warps the very fabric of space, such a device could be easily reconfigured into a warp drive.
e. the Empire could BUY a warp drive and designs from the Ferengi, and with their superior power generation, make FASTER and more efficient drives WITHOUT nacelles.
so yeah, just accept it, the Federation has no chance against the Empire, no matter what they do.
Perion 2 years ago
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oops seems I made a slight error in the calcs, figured it for 100,000 kilograms rather than tons,
funny part is, that adds MORE problems, and while it DOES increase the yield to be a bit more impressive, the logistic implications make it a one shot weapon at best.
not only that, but it causes more reaction problems, decreasing the efficiency down to 1% (this is being extremely generous i might add)
Perion 2 years ago
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since this is a jury rigged device involving 100 million kg, where as a photon torpedo, which only has 1.5 kg and is a dedicated device with over 100 years of refinement only has a 74% efficiency)
only increases the yield to a maximum of 4 teratons.
it would take 200 of those things hitting an ISD every Second for 30 minutes straight to bring it's shields down, and the federation would be damn lucky to be able to build one, let alone deliver it.
again for reasons mentioned before.
Perion 2 years ago
Still waiting on SW neutronium armor reference.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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the cardassian dreadnought has well under a 400 gigaton blast, it would take hundreds of them to affect a Single Star Destroyer.
I already cited the Neutronium armour reference as being in the Cross Sections books, "Star Wars Complete Cross Sections" if you want to be specific.
so either start paying attention to what I say or I will stop paying attention to you, you've obviously ignored two points I've made (that of TOS references on Warp Strafing being irrelevant, and the CCS)
Perion 2 years ago
Let's break it down TOS style. The Doomsday Machine broke up and digested planets. The Enterprise withstood several direct hits from it's antiporoton beam. OTH the entire Empire Fleet couldn't destroy a single planet as effectively as a Death Star (H. Solo). One Star Destroyer would not cause undue concern to any version of Enterprise.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
I think you're really overestimating the value of Empire tech. I recall one time where one of their finest legions with armor, modern weapons and mechanized units got its ass kicked by a pre-indusrial, superstitious tribe of furry 3 foot natives. Who knew Imperial armor could be pierced by pointy sticks? Good thing they were never attacked by Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
Star WArs complete cross sections? I didn't get a copy when I bought my movie ticket....just going by what I see on screen...
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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well you are an idiot so It's best to try out the cross sections book,
The enterprise withstood hits from the doomsday machine because it was firing far lower powered bursts than the kind it used on planets, it's simple.
1 photon torpedo = 48 megatons, lack of shaped charge means only half of that impacts shields with the other half blasting away into space.
the ewoks didn't penetrate the white portion of the armour, they went for the joints, and it's not like pajamas would stop anything.
Perion 2 years ago
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the 3 foot part is actually more of an advantage to the ewoks, their small size makes them far more dificult to see in the undergrowth, and since it doesn't seem to hinder their strength at all (they easily managed to tear weapons out of the hands of the humans and even managed to play tug of war with a wookiee!)
most of the Imperial force were elsewhere on the planet, we only saw a platoon worth standing outside the endor bunker along with a few walking jeeps.
Perion 2 years ago
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stuff that happends in TNG overrides stuff from TOS, it's a sad fact that Gene didn't think as highly of TOS as his precious TNG.
Riker states in "Pegasus" that it would take most of their torpedoes to destroy an 8km by 5km hollow asteroid.
we SAW Jango fett's Seismic charges accomplishing such feats, with blast radii easily 8km with no sign of the blast being weaker at the edge than at the epicenter, such concentration and consistency would require the same energy of a 20gigaton nuke
Perion 2 years ago
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also, we saw a >400 gigawatt blast down the enterprise's shields in "the Survivors"
TIE Fighters are rated at 32,000gw
in order for Slave 1 to have done the kind of damage it did with blasters to the asteroids in AotC, would REQUIRE each shot to have the same energy as a 2 kiloton nuke.
you may go by what you think you see in the movies, but you're neither a professional engineer nor have a PHD in theoretical astrophysics.
which is what the Complete Cross Sections book is for
Perion 2 years ago
TOS wasnt meant to be a serious series. Just look at the blue hotel look and fancy uniforms. And the special effects sucked for that time (compare them with 2001: A Space Odessey). But the fans wanted Kirk's crew back, producers decided to make it serious for cinema. TNG is the logical continuation of these movies.
pat1981lux 2 years ago
First off, TOS was meant to be taken serious. I've watched many documentaries on behind the scenes of the TV show. NBC and the shows writers, producers, and even cast, took the show as a big deal, and put alot of effort into it. Everything from the uniforms to the music and sound effects, it was next-gen for that time.
Also, the special effects did not suck for their time. The sets were nicer on Odyssey and only because it had a big budget being a movie. Star Trek's budget was tight.
sedativechunk 2 years ago
You must be joking? It was never meant to be continued and serious. Many episodes are so ridiculous.
pat1981lux 2 years ago
It was so meant to be taken serious. You are just not a fan of TOS and don't get the show. You never watched all the things from behind the scenes and read all of the books on it.
The show had it's silly episodes but there were many good ones as well. And compared to the crap on TV today, what's better? Soap opera type story lines with no action or the original Star Trek that always worked around a well written story line with action involved?
sedativechunk 2 years ago
You seriously can not compare a television show's special effects to a high budget film. For television, Star Trek was as nice as they could afford. Compare TOS with Lost in Space and you'll see a major difference. And as far as TOS not meant to be serious, I believe sedativechunk already defeated that point. The "silly" shows most of the time were used as satire when talking about political issues of the day.
Christina314 2 years ago
Back when TOS was aired is was definately a serious series. It helped Roddenberry express his opinions about the issues of the day. When you compare TOS to modern sci-fi it feels campy only because it is outdated...Tastes change, our interpretation of sci-fi is much darker now then it was in the 50's and the 60's so yes...Looking at it through the lense of a modern sci-fi fan it looks like a joke... I agree with Christina and Chuck, do your homework before jumping to conclusions.
5anjii 2 years ago 4
Most people of the time thought it was a series for children and Spock was the funny guy
pat1981lux 2 years ago
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There we get into the heart ot the matter - how time after time a plucky band of individuals overcomes the overwhelming might of the Empire. Give that plucky band some antimatter weapons, transporter tech and the Empire will be undone before theyre could be any sequels.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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Ummmm...no. What's on screen trumps any after-market book. And I smell the depserate scent of rationlizations....a machine programmed to destroy will use a less than full force attack? That fact came from you, not the script.
faithofthefoe 2 years ago
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not really since we have no idea how long it takes the doomsday machine to charge up it's main gun, and everything in TNG states that they CANNOT withstand a planet busting shot.
and it IS on screen, not a rationalization thereof, just what was on screen elaborated and put into words to avoid misconceptions like the kinds you have.
antimatter weapons and transporters wouldn't be any improvement over what the rebels had, the Rebels had tech FAR beyond the Federation.
Perion 2 years ago
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1.5kg antimatter and 1.5kg of matter = 64 megatons absolute tops,
1.5kg antimatter is the payload on a photon torpedo and they only get 48 megatons out of it.
1 Turbolaser shot = 200,000 megatons minimum, with some capable of 40,000,000 megatons per shot, with 1 shot per second and ships with dozens of these guns
as said before, they can't even withstand much more than a 400 gigawatt burst, do you have any idea how much energy it takes to destroy a planet? obviously not
Perion 2 years ago
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face it, the cross sections book is canon since nothing on screen overrides it, hell it was made during filming and based on what was seen on screen, by people who know what they are talking about and did so under the auspices of Industrial Light and Magic at skywalker ranch while they were doing the scenes in the case of the attack of the clones and revenge of the sith portions.
just because you have no idea what it takes to do some of the things on screen doesn't make that book irrelevant.
Perion 2 years ago
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or rather, nothing on screen contradicts it,
meanwhile, there are tons of contradictions to your claim that the enterprise can withstand a planet busting shots, evidence in TNG repeatedly shows gigawatt level firepower causing damage to either shields or in the case of the shuttlecrafts, a 900megawatt burst shooting down a runabout and the aformentioned 400 gw bringing down the Enterprise D's shields
it takes 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 times that to destroy a planet with firepower alone.
Perion 2 years ago
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and there is no explicit or even implicit evidence that the Doomsday machine fired full powered bursts against the enterprise or decker's ship, since we never even SAW it destroy a planet and they never stated it was firing at full power.
Han is a mere smuggler who was wrong about the empire lacking the ability to destroy a planet, a Rebel General states the Death Star's firepower only exceeds HALF that of the Imperial fleet, the imperial fleet has almost twice the firepower of the Death Star!
Perion 2 years ago
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defenes vs Transporters
1. Shields,
2. The neutronium hulls,
3..Reactor Interference (star destroyers have several, one main and like 4 backups, unlike warp cores, Imperial reactors as a rule don't explode when damaged, they just shut down such as the one on the Tantive IV. only the Death Stars and the Star Destroyer test rig using the Death Star's prototype reactor were exceptions)
4.transporter inhibitors can be set up all over the ship
5.tractor beams scatter transporter beams.
Perion 2 years ago
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faithofthefoe 2 years ago
@zachdk1 except that it wouldn't...
greatbowlsofgravy 1 year ago
Actually it would, the Tech disparity is just that huge between Star Wars and Star Trek vessels.
That's what happens when you pit a Type 2 Civilization like the Federation against a Type 3 Civilization like the Empire.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion lol, kaku slapped!
aerohurtz 1 year ago
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@aerohurtz If Caron was correct perhaps, but that is not the case.
Perion 1 year ago
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You guys forget that this is ALL FAKE!! NONE OF IT IS REAL!!! So don't waste ur time on things that DON'T EXIST!!! Just enjoy Star Wars and Star Trek for what they are!!!
bakerfrog1 2 years ago
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no one but people who have no grasp on real science thinks that Science-fiction is realistic, but hopefully it is internally consistent.
course with a Long running series like Star Trek that consistency won't be likely, but the Star Wars ICS books are designed to be used by ILM and Lucasfilm to promote consistency, IE reference books for future projects.
Perion 2 years ago
Actually, Star Trek always had more realism than Star Wars, as Star Trek always had scientists on hand, to make sure things weren't to out there, while they were impossible, they were never to far outside the realm of possibility.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
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really, where were the scientists to tell them that a crack in an event horizon is completely nonsensical and impossible, or to put a kibosh on the Episode Threshold, or to tell them that -291 degrees Celsius is 20 degrees BELOW Absolute Zero! as in, all mater slowed down to the point that it stopped moving, then kept slowing down!
at least Star Wars knows the definition of the word "Vapourize" rather than throw it around as if it was interchangeable with "destroy" or "disintegrate"
Perion 2 years ago
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in fact, we have NEVER seen a single thing be Vapourized in Star Trek, only magically disintegrate without a trace, in Empire Strikes Back however, we see light Turbolasers vapourize asteroids, no Asteroid has even been Disintegrated on Star Trek, let alone Vapourized.
you wanna know why people aren't Vapourized in Trek? imagine boiling 80kg of water in 1-3 seconds and stand in the same room with it. the steam would scald everyone in the room.
Perion 2 years ago
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okay, sometimes there is leftover residue on the floor from desintegration, but that's about it
Perion 2 years ago
I can tell I am dealing with someone, what's the fan name for someone who likes Star Wars???
A Warrie?
Airportchris2 2 years ago
First, this is fiction, second, people do vanash when shot by phasers on occasion, you do not see that on SW.
FencingBoomerang 2 years ago
lol, if it wasn't for Star Trek, Star Wars would never have existed, Lucas has said Trek is what inspired him.
Also, I didn't say Trek was 100% realistic, I said it's been more realistic, after all, many of the things we use today are Trek based.
Also, they don't throw around "vaporize' is how it's spelled by the way.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
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I'm Canadian, so it is spelt Vapourize for me,
Trek didn't inspire Wars any more than Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers or any of the other Space Operas at the time.
the only think Trek provided was a recent precedent to draw a fan base from.
and they do throw around the term Vapourize, ALOT.
"a lot of what they said was impossible, is not becoming possible with the advancements in technology"
I'm assuming you meant that they are, but cracks in an event horizon aren't a matter of tech...
Perion 2 years ago
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doing something that is a theoretical impossibility requires changing Reality itself,
going to Warp infinity, finding a crack in an event horizon, or temperatures below absolute zero are all about as likely as an infant making a full court goal in basketball without a net, and that's being optimistic.
Perion 2 years ago
They have proved that if you have enough power you can travel fastest enough to traverse time.
I never said Trek was completely realistic, that's what you missed, then you admit that it's likely, they said breaking the sound barrier would never be achieved or happen, and look it happened.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
lol, yea, that's why so many of the terms used in the original 1960's Star Trek is used in Star Wars, Gene Roddenberry originally called the beam weapons lasers, but thought it was to primitive a term, so he named them phasers, Star Wars still used lasers.
Star Trek has been around long before the first Star Wars movie my friend.
At least up until the last Trek movie, they followed a timeline, not creating the end first, and the beginning last.
What is the power source use to power SWs ships?
Airportchris2 2 years ago
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Hypermatter, completely theoretical, mainly cause Antimatter isn't enough to generate the kind of power needed for Star Wars ships to do what they do.
breaking the sound barrier and doing what was done in Threshold are two completely different things, the Infinite Improbability Drive makes a helluva lot more sense.
Threshold was so bad that Paramount made it non-canon, not just cause of the whole Warp Bitchen thing, but also because of the Evolutionary Predestination BS.
Perion 2 years ago
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I am under no illusions that Trek doesn't Predate Star Wars, I know Trek was around in the 60s and Wars was around in the 70s
but just because Terms used in Trek are also used in Wars means nothing, I suggest you watch "Forbidden Planet" since that inspired BOTH Trek and Wars.
Wars Did however inspire Trek to do the movies and TNG, they wouldn't have existed without Star Wars.
2001 Space Odyssey also helped both franchises, as well as Planet of the Apes.
Perion 2 years ago
lol, Star Trek would have done just fine on it's own, like it has done, after all it's more successful, 11 movies, 6 series, books, games, influenced much more than audiences, Star Trek inspired an Army base command center to be designed after the original series bridge, flip phones from the original communicator, iPods from the TNG PADD, advancements in many other fields.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
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you really are dilusional, Trek's movies and series haven't influenced "much more audiences" just because they have more films and TV series does not equal greater success, only that Paramount wanted to keep milking the franchise, Lucas on the other hand Is only now starting to really spread out into TV because he didn't feel it necessary to do so before.
Communicators have more in common with Walkie Talkies than they do with Cell Phones.
Perion 2 years ago
I didn't say it was b/c of their success, most of NASA is a fan of Star Trek, I have seen more famous people on Trek, than Wars.
Most of the franchise is created by Gene Roddenberry, Paramount just brought it to life, Gene Roddenberry wrote TOS, and TNG until he passed away in 1991.
I have seen the History channel show "Trek Tech" and the guy that came up with the design of the flip phone, said he got it from the TOS communicator, thanks.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
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good for you and good for him, doesn't surprise me that most of NASA is a fan of trek, being all exploration, but guess what, of people in the Air force, Army or Navy, their favorite Sci-fi is most commonly Star Wars.
I am referring to the function of the Communicator being a direct link device, while the Cell Phone bounces from relay tower to relay tower before reaching another cell phone.
why do you think they call it a "network"
Perion 2 years ago
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Sci-fi always inspires real life, Wars inspires more military applications while Trek sometimes inspires Exploration and telecomunications,
hell even Babylon 5's Starfuries have inspired some NASA Designs, to the point where we should be seeing some Starfuries flying around the ISS someday soon (in fact they were supposed to be under development now, but got delayed due to various cost issues.)
Perion 2 years ago
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in fact, the Stormtrooper armour design has been used by Scuba Divers to protect them from Humboldt Squid and other dangerous sea creatures, with great effect.
Perion 2 years ago
oh wow, woopdy doo.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
Yea, b/c the military likes war, which most people don't.
Well, I am talking about the design.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
Hypermatter was tachyonic matter that existed in hyperspace. When constrained by realspace, charged tachyons were annihilated as they accelerated to infinite speed within a reactor.
Sounds like the similar reaction between matter and antimatter.
What do Star Wars ships do, that require a bigger reaction than the collision of Antimatter and matter?
Also, Star Wars ships are very unconventional in size, Star Trek ships are more practical in design, as said by many experts on this type of thing.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
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actually star trek ships are horribly impractical, they are flimsy, poorly designed vessels who's form create unnecessary structural stress, especially long the neck and nacelle pylons for example.
they also lack turrets, their viewscreens do not overlay on windows, and they have considerable difficulty concentrating the firepower on their vessels.
the turret and viewscreen issue was rectified in the new film, mostly because JJ.Abrams is more a Star Wars fan than a Trek one.
Perion 2 years ago
Also, the form of travel in Wars called Hyperspace is sometimes used to enable and explain faster than light, is just another name for Star Trek's warp speed, which when I seen in Star Wars looks more like Star Treks Transwarp, which is completely different than warp speed.
Ironically, my dad is more into Star Wars than Trek, and he even said Trek was more realistic of the two.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
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what your dad says is irrelevant, also Hyperdrive has more in common with Slipstream than Transwarp, it's also faster than both of em.
that's one of the reasons why Matter/Antimatter isn't enough to power the ships.
the other is the Ion Drives, Turbolasers and Shields, which are enormously powerful.
the Death Star's main gun as well, requires more energy than if the Entire death star's mass was made of Antimatter and collided with another death Star of matter.
Perion 2 years ago
lol, w/e.
In Trek a 'quantum slipstream drive' is an advanced form of interstellar propulsion that achieved and exceeded what failed Federation attempts using transwarp were meant to do: exceed the warp speed barrier.
Yea, the moon size death star, and the main gun stuck on one side, Star Trek ships could run circles around it.
Airportchris2 2 years ago
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Quantum Slipstream Drive has a max speed of 1,000,000c or 1 million times the speed of light.
max Warp can go somewhere around 1,000-2,000c tops
depending on the grade of Hyperdrive you can go anywhere from 10,000,000c -100,000,000c crossing galactic Distances in a matter of hours rather than Months with Slipstream, or Decades at Warp.
also, if a hostile Federation ship tried to fly circles around it, they'd get wasted by the surface Turbolasers.
Perion 2 years ago