ma dads english but ma mare is scottish and ma granddad was in the KOSB the little ones out there who dont knw what that means, it is The King’s Own Scottish Borderers he gave his life for both england and scotland so fuck you if you slag the english or thay scots off you dont know what the fuck your on about.
@30098374 It was based on two Scottish prisoners of war in the late 18th century. One was sentenced to death, the other was allowed to go free. The song is from the perspective of the condemned man, saying he'll return to Scotland before his companion, but can never be with his true love again "on the bonnie, bonnie banks o' Loch Lomond".
went to Loch Lomond every summer when I was a kid. My mom was born in Glasgow. Dad is an american. Was such beautiful countryside. Stayed in a Scottish farmers field. Miss the countryside
this was a song about the uprisers awaiting their fate in edinburgh castle - high road ,the gallows -low road prison - or so i was told - great moving song though
@MrStubbley i was told its a love song from an irsh man to his wife, he was beenin hung in scotand and from his cel he could see lock lomond, hense 'me and my true love will never meet again' nd he high road meaning she ose on living and low is his death, might not be true but i like to think it is
Im danish, but 2 years ago I walked the West Highland Way. On the journey I saw Loch Lomond, and it was such a beautiful sight! Scotland is a great country, and I hope to visit it again soon :)
This song isn't about two lovers, its really about two soldiers. One will die and "take the high road" and one will be released and "take the low road" to Scotland.
"I don't believe that an Irishman would be singing about a loch in Scotland"? Not sure what you mean. Just so we're clear, John McDermott isn't an Irishman. He's a Scots-Canadian.
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Either way it is now considered a traditional song to say the least, from my understanding. The lyrics seem to be plausible, though through divergent origins.
Thanks for the info. I was thinking that was the genealogy of this song but could not recall names, and dates. But it actually supports my supposition. If she heard someone else sing this song, where did they get it, write it, perhaps. A few hundred years is a bit long for speculation. I still surmise that the true origins of this song is lost to the ages, and the content makes it truly timeless. There is also smattering here, and there. Songs are, and always have been mixed, and matched.
It also has to be remembered that the issue here isn't a songwriter claiming to have written the song. It is in fact exactly the opposite. Spottiswoode claimed to have heard it from an itinirent street singer in Edinburgh, which she may have done, but many suspect she wrote it herself trying to pass it off as traditional. In truth we don't know for sure. However it wouldn't be the only one she's suspected of passing off as trad and in fact others played that game too at that time. It was common
I'm actually Irish but Scots and Irish use the same kind of music. The song is good if you watch Tom & Jerry Nibbles sings this in the Tom and Jerry episode Robin Hoodwinked
Supposedly it was penned in Carisle prison by a rebel. who was to to be hanged. to his love. The Low road is him going to his death (the Low Road, being a gibbet stane or hole in the ground) and she must ride back (the High Road), Even unto death he'll think of her.
my ancestors cleared to the west banks of Loch Lomond during the clearences ive always wondered what it would have been like if that hadn't happened and we had remained as the royal family
similar but not identical to an earlier song called "A Young Man's Dream" which was first publsihed in an 18thC Scottish manuscript. There was also a song to the same tune circulating in Ireland called "Aisling An Oig-Fhir". The fact that the tune was first published in the Scottish manuscript isn't conclusive proof that it is the original as there are other known Irish tunes in the same MS. Though it at least holds true that it could be the original. We don't know for sure.
@gaconnochie Regardless, it is the message behind the song that is penetrating, and timeless. Many of these melodies, and songs were passed down in oral tradition up until the 17-1800's before written down. Then someone musically literate wrote down the score, and took credit. Whether this melody has anything to do with these lyrics originally is lost to the ages. Most likely someone added, or changed the lyrics at some point. Most "truly" old songs came about that way, then modified etc.
@torro454 much of what you say is true about songs in general. The point remains though that this song can't be dated any earlier than the mid-19thC and the earliest versions of this song we have available which is still the version mostly heard has nothing remotely Jacobite about it. That is not to say that the song definitely dates from the mid-19thC. Just that it can't actually be traced any earlier. There is no mention of the song in the many publications from earlier decades though.
have been an older Scottish tune. Who knows? Of course it may have come from outwith Scotland but there is no actual evidence to suggest it did. Danny Boy is different. The song was written by an Englishman called Frederic Edward Weatherly again in the 19thC. He fitted his words to a tune (ie Londonderry Air) supplied by his Irish sister-in-law which she described as an old Irish tune. and the said air is first published in a volume in 1855 called The Ancient Music Of Ireland. The tune is very
wat I like about this song is that it is about a parting, even at the end of mortal life and a reunion sometime in the future( regardless of ethniciticy)
no mention or hint of Carlisle, Culloden the Jacobites or whatever! About 30 or so years later the poet Andrew Lang, another Scottish Borderer, wrote a lyric based on this song in which it is a Jacobite prisoner awaiting trial at Carlisle. The oft told myth that it was written by a Jacobite prisoner probably derives from Lang's version. It could theoretically be older than the 1840s but there is no record of it being so. If we don't know then we don't know.
@Ahenry696 This song was written about (and ostensibly by) a prisoner taken during the Jacobite Uprising, in 1746. The English hung 50% of the Scottish prisoners, and set the others free to walk back to Scotland and tell the tale. He is going back to Scotland by The Low Road (death) faster than his mate, who is going to have to walk home on The High Road. Has nothing to do with Irishmen, though it's highly disputed that it was actually written by the doomed Jacobite if there even was one.
Correction this song was written by an Irish man who was being taken from his true love and being sent on to Scotland and his love to England never to see each other again but were latter rejoined some years latter still in love and they died in each others arms some 20 years after just an FYI
@BIGBEARabc123 The song was not written by an Irishman. The song can be traced no further back than Alicia Spottiswoode who said she heard it being sung in edinburgh. Many suspect she wrote it herself though no-one knows for sure.
@BIGBEARabc123 Sorry but I'm not mistaken. The song as far as we know is 100% Scottish. It was first published in the 1840s in The Vocal Melodies Of Scotland. The words and tune were supplied by the songwriter from the Scottish Borders called Alicia Spottiswoode (Lady John Scott) who said she'd heard it being sung by a street singer in Edinburgh. Many suspect she may well have written it herself but I suppose we will never know for sure. The words were basically as above. A song of exile with
@gaconnochie once again you are mistaken even with the gender of the writer it was written by a man who was being taken from his true love now im sick of arguing with you so do not reply who gives a flying fuck about it lets just agree to disagree and that its a good song
@BIGBEARabc123 We can agree to disagree on matters of opinion. But this isn't a matter of opinion. It is the known history of the song. I've given you the name of the people involved and even the book title in which it was first published. These details are easily enogh checked on the net. There are various myths about this song though I've never heard of an Irish connection before. Nothing to it though - and there is nothing Irish about the song.
@gaconnochie Your wrong its a Irish melody,that came across the sea.And Danny Boy is a Scottish one,that went across to them that they adopted.I know this as I heard it on a radio Scotland programme with that Cunningham guy.I am not Irish bye the way.I am from Scotland,tunes travel across the sea.He done a show,were the hill billies were playing our melodies in the mountains.With there own words to the ancient music.Its how it works,the music has legs.Were immigrants went so did there songs to.
@legandrydirk The suggestion was that it (ie the song) was about a Scotsman and Englishwoman in Ireland returning home. Sorry that is pure twaddle. Not saying that the original poster invented it just that he has been fed twaddle. As to the tune's origins as I said the earliest it can be dated is the mid-19thC. There are several similar and slightly earlier dated Scottish songs but they are not close enough to be regarded as the same tune. The tune may have been written by Spottiswoode; it may
@legandrydirk There is nothing in the song to link it to Jacobites etc. The lyrics are simply a song of exile. Much like Caledonia. In the late 19thC the poet Andrew Lang wrote a Jacobite version of the lyric (as he did with Auld Lang Syne) in which the narrator is in Carlisle jail. The myth that the original song was actually written by a Jacobite in Carlisle jail comes from that. You are right there is a theory that it is a Jacobite song. It could be but it is just a theory. Normally though
@kaoticlgnd loch lommond aint a lake, it is a loch, if i went to america and called every lake there a loch, some one would be bound to bash my face good an' proper so please, call it a loch if you ever visit scotland
@BIGBEARabc123 you want to get yer facts right cos it was written by a scotsman in scotland, i am scottish and i see that as a insult , you are probably an american idiot who has never even looked at a map of scotland in yer life, do yersel a favor and dont bother coming tae scotland cos you say that to a scotsman, he will bash yer face in good an proper
@skidz1211 i do not fucking care what the fuck you think or know leave me the fuck alone o and by the way Scottish people dont fucking type like that they spell shit out so yoou stfu and leave me the fuck a lone, ps i am irish and i was born in Ireland, and i have plenty of Scottish friend here yes you guessed it america, they all tell me it was written by a Irish man so really what you fucking say doesnt fucking matter to me go away
That doesn't mean that everyone fits in. Of course they don't. I know one family who went back to England and couldn't get out of the country quick enough. The guy couldn't take the banter over sport - and the woman had real problems with accepting some of the things at school - like the kids being asked to read and write poems in Scots. The kids had no problems. So some struggle but most have no problems.
As to shared cultures etc of course much Scottish culture and in particular northern English culture is shared. Basically all the people on these islands probably have more shared than what seperates them. Basically despite the huge numbers there are no english ghettos etc in Scotland. They simply get assimilated and you tend to find that their kids more than not tend to identify themselves as Scots. Likewise in England there are huge numbers of Scots who integrate easily.
sport etc. The English also assimilate into Scottish society better than basically anyone else. Around the time of the devolution debate there were a few instances of the English media trailing the streets of Scotland looking for anti-Englishness and sometimes trying to set it up even. It was largely a fruitless enterprise. So yes it exists but it is greatly exaggerated.
That's interesting, and it doesn't surprise me that the majority of incidents are related to sport. It does surprise me to hear that the English integrate so well. Better than the Welsh or Irish? To my understanding their cultures have more in common, and there would be less resentment from nationalist bitter from "English dominion over Scotland" as they might say.
As far as this side of the wall goes, I've never met someone who dislikes the Scottish on principle.
@Qw3rtypop I don't think there are many Welsh in the country in comparison to the English so it is hard to say. There aren't that many Irish nowadays in comparison either but there has not been ethnic tensions etc over English incomers like there was in the past over Irish incomers. It was in the past a real problem and the legacy lives on in the sectarian divisions in the west of Scotland. Scots and Irish shared a lot of culture but they also had a lot seperating them - in particular religion.
done on the subject was carried out by Dundee University and the results are published in a book called Being English In Scotland. The fact of the matter is there are twice as many English incomers in Scotland than all the other incomers put together. However only 2% of complaints about verbal or physical abuse made by incomers are made by English people. So it happens but it is very rare. Of those who said they'd suffered abuse the vast majority admitted it was low level verbal abuse over
casually throw offensive abuse at the English in general. Some people don't find that acceptable. Bigoted behaviour is bigoted behaviour whoever the target is and whoever the perpretator is.
@casablanca4381 I was born in Scotland, my parents are both English, on one side my parents are German and Indian and then back through the last three hundred years it goes through Egypt, Syria and some other places. But it all goes back to a man from Glasgow. GET IN!!!!
@Battle5tarRJC you have an impressive geneology. I can't say that my geneology traces just to just Glasgow(Scottish onmy dad side)(Danish and German predominately on my mom's)
@casablanca4381 If you research far enough you'll discover that many Scots went out into the world ages ago and as a result many people can trace their family back to a Scotsman. We do like to stote a bit.
@Qw3rtypop Unfortunately every nation has its bigots and we Scots are no different! In the real Scotland of course, outside of the net where people casually throw insults about, English people on the whole get on rather well assimilating into Scottish life. Well done for poitning out it was an individual who was being intolerant and not castigating the whole country as some would do :-)
@Qw3rtypop I've been called a dirty Scottish bastard, a dirty Irish bastard on many occasions. The intolerance is prominent on both sides of the border, trust me. I've been to Newcastle, the Lake District and Manchester... I love the cities but I've gotten some heavy abuse by some.
@Improbable0possible Every nation has its bigots. One of my friends was glassed when we were in Yarmouth just for having a Scottish accent. Someone I know from the south of England was attacked in Scarborough for being southern. It goes on. However the vast majority of people aren't like that and the vast majority of Scots and English people get on rather well with each other despite the ribbing over sport etc. There does seem to be a case in some of these threads though that it is ok to almost
Well naturally in all places there are going to be some intolerant people, but that shouldn't be taken as representative of the whole. His reaction of 'fighting fire with fire' is only perpetuating the aggression.
Though no doubt if I visited Scotland my posh southern English accent would attract a lot of unwelcome attention too from certain people. It's sad really, as I've not been there since I was a child.
@Qw3rtypop "my posh southern English accent would attract a lot of unwelcome attention too from certain people" I think the type of people who would rail at a posh accent (which of course is in itself wrong) would rail because it is posh rather than because it was English. In other words they would just as likely comment on a posh Scottish accent. The facts are that the English are far less likely to suffer from intolerance in Scotland that most other incomers. The only real half serious study
the First Minister gets no place at the European Table. Do you really he would have less influence in Europe as First Minister of an independent Scotland there on equal terms with the other European leaders than he has at the moment? Yes there are people representing Scotland in Europe but at the national level they have no mandate from the Scottish people!
have at the moment as a region of a member state! At the national govt level Scotland is being represented in the EU by a coalition govt who only got about a third of the Scottish vote! Added to that is the fact that the bulk of Scottish Lib Dem voters would probably have opposed a pact with the Tories! The Prime Minister speaks on behalf of Britain as a whole but his party only got about 16% of the Scottish vote. In the elections for the Scottish Parliament the SNP got over 40% of the vote yet
Whether Scotland is independent or not still remains part of EU which might not be any better for Scots than existing union with the English now. If EU membership is any good for UK it could be another question. I think giving more power to Brussels would take more power away from the peoples of British Isles. I'm Czech living in Scotland.
@ratmanofscotland Again though in an independent Scotland we (as in the inhabitants of Scotland) could actually decide for ourselves what our relationship with the EU is. We can't do that at the moment as only a small fraction of MPs in the Commons are Scots and we have no seat at the European table ourselves. I've no quip with people arguing for the retention of the union. It is a valid argument to make. I just don't see how we could possibly have less influence on Europe as a member than we
@ratmanofscotland Wrong we get a vote to see if we want to stay in the EU.We have options and could join Noway,Switzerland and Lichenstein in there wee league.And Norway and Switzerland are super rich.You clearly are not following current events.The SNP have said this is going to happen,about the vote,a few months ago.
"We are the Lassies of Mac Arthur High, of our fame we couldn`t be prouder! We`re loyal and true, to our colors White and Blue and we`ll back the mighty Brahmas what `er they may do..." Greetings from the Alamo City- San Antonio
@kramnodd12 It is a fair point that the SNP's current pro-EU stance goes basically unchallenged but I don't see that going along those lines helps any unionist arguments. We are already in the EU but don't have our own seat at the table. Surely if you are going to be in the EU then it is more independent to represent yourself? If we have common interests with the English etc then we can act with them!
If Scotland is represented in the EU as a nation, then the EU will have a tighter stranglehold over us. We'll be even more powerless as one of the smaller nations. The EU depises the very notion of nation states and its agenda create one big European superstate. Even the current (unelected) EU president has stated that he sees the EU as a "testbed" for world governance.
@kramnodd12 To tell you the truth I don't follow that so we are just going to have to disagree. A block of states acting in unison can have as much influence within the EU as one larger state. The difference being that a Scottish govt could pick and choose what is and what isn't in our interests - which isn't the case at the moment.
travel extensively in England too. I'm very aware of any actual issues there are between our peoples (which are greatly exaggerated on the net) and this song isn't one fo the issues. Why would they (ie the English) take offence at wee birdies singing or meeting your lover in a shady glen etc? It is just a silly suggestion.
about the songs connotations and treat it as a folk song pure and simple. There isn't that sectarian divide in England like there is in Belfast and to a lesser extent Glasgow. Loch Lomond has no such connotations though and I've never heard anyone particularly express dislike of the song. Listen to the lyircs. What on earth is there to take offence to? Generally when English folk here these songs on holiday here they lap them up. Anyone who told you Loch Lomond is disliked and is a thorn in the
Scots if you treat the terms English and British as if they are one and the same thing! It gets more complicated than that as far as identity goes. There is no other term for a citizen of the UK other than British and a majority in that part of Ireland whihc is in the UK will regard themselves as British too - though there is also a large minority who would hate being called that. Very few Scots regard themselves as primarily British. Only about 6 or 7 % which is probably mostly incomers.
@saintmaster22 Thank you, this has always been one of my favorite songs. That was the point I tried to make in short by pointing out this is a Canadian singer. This isn't only a Scottish gem it is a world gem. regards.
so proud to be scottish.... and to all u cunts who are being dicks about my amazing bonnie country its just cuz ur jelous. COME ON SCOTLAND!!xxxxxx <3
as i always say. ye kin take me oot ae Scotland, but ye wulnae take Scotland oot ae me! INDEPENDENCE!
beverage2008 1 day ago
i would give you the world but the worlds not enough
PeacePixieParty 2 days ago
im scotish and bonnie and been to loch lomond
campsieangling7 1 week ago
this is one of many reasons I'm proud to be (part) scottish
DumDum5551 1 week ago
ma dads english but ma mare is scottish and ma granddad was in the KOSB the little ones out there who dont knw what that means, it is The King’s Own Scottish Borderers he gave his life for both england and scotland so fuck you if you slag the english or thay scots off you dont know what the fuck your on about.
casperandtaz 1 week ago
A great song and a great arrangement. See Pfizerpfonics also for a superb performance.
1carrigdhoubh 1 week ago
I love this song, thank you for sharing!
AltheaHekate 1 week ago
Gonna sing this at the leng medal comp. we r doin at school!
vickidog10 2 weeks ago
@30098374 It was based on two Scottish prisoners of war in the late 18th century. One was sentenced to death, the other was allowed to go free. The song is from the perspective of the condemned man, saying he'll return to Scotland before his companion, but can never be with his true love again "on the bonnie, bonnie banks o' Loch Lomond".
VoiceofKane3 2 weeks ago 2
@VoiceofKane3 Whoops, mid-17th century. They were taken prisoner in Carlisle after the failed rising of 1745.
VoiceofKane3 2 weeks ago
@VoiceofKane3 Damn it, wrong again. Mid-18th century. I feel awful for triple-posting.
VoiceofKane3 2 weeks ago
@VoiceofKane3 Thanks for the history. I like knowing music's roots.
Otispuss2 1 week ago
went to Loch Lomond every summer when I was a kid. My mom was born in Glasgow. Dad is an american. Was such beautiful countryside. Stayed in a Scottish farmers field. Miss the countryside
68oldgoat 2 weeks ago
proud to be a W.A.S.P
AGpixar2000 2 weeks ago
this was a song about the uprisers awaiting their fate in edinburgh castle - high road ,the gallows -low road prison - or so i was told - great moving song though
MrStubbley 3 weeks ago
@MrStubbley i was told its a love song from an irsh man to his wife, he was beenin hung in scotand and from his cel he could see lock lomond, hense 'me and my true love will never meet again' nd he high road meaning she ose on living and low is his death, might not be true but i like to think it is
30098374 2 weeks ago
Why can't you Irish be content with your own heritage and not try to appropriate everything Scottish!
You now say Lad instead of Boyo! Lassie instead of Colleen!
Both terms derive from Scotland's age old connection to France.
And you and stealing our pipe music and bands too!
Be proud of your own history-I an Scot am proud of mine!
vanjimbo 1 week ago
Im danish, but 2 years ago I walked the West Highland Way. On the journey I saw Loch Lomond, and it was such a beautiful sight! Scotland is a great country, and I hope to visit it again soon :)
RiffChris 3 weeks ago
Fuck England and their "queen" Scotland will be free from the English soon we need Independence so vote SNP if yer Scottish :D
freshpete2 3 weeks ago
i wish this was irish... cause i am
nakedsnake468 3 weeks ago
If it aint scotish its CRAP........
steve21742 3 weeks ago
@steve21742 how bout aussie?
jeskar0407 2 weeks ago
Proud to be scottish<3
ZxJordann 3 weeks ago
this song pumps me up to kill some english longbow men
thatmarinedude575 3 weeks ago 3
beautiful. listen to emily armys version..
BuLLeT2431 4 weeks ago
Happy New Year from Lennoxtown Scotland
DROOCHITDUG1 1 month ago
Aye laddie, this wee tune brings a wistful tear to the eye from this former Scot now living in the USA. Bonnie Scotland forever.
abcbraveheart 1 month ago
@abcbraveheart You can never be a former Scot, once a Scot always a Scot. No matter how long you have been away from the bonnie country.
Liquidfear15 4 weeks ago 2
This song isn't about two lovers, its really about two soldiers. One will die and "take the high road" and one will be released and "take the low road" to Scotland.
dillinlover293 1 month ago
The original poetry was written by a Scotsman.... But at the end of the day does it really matter? Because at least neither of us are English XD
ILINI85 1 month ago 12
Im doing this for solo and ensemble with my friend
TheTenor12 1 month ago
- We played this in my band class, beautiful song. (:
ItsShaeShaeXD 1 month ago
EMILYS ARMY ROCK!!!!!!!!!!
SaintGracie1015 1 month ago
Im not scottish but i love this song :) its amazing!!
chikisxx93 1 month ago
did you not think to write it in blue for scotland seeing as you consider green to be irish?
OkThen007 1 month ago
i won the laing medal in dundee with this and highland cathedral 2 years in a row
NooBTooBaR 1 month ago
Does anyone know a version of this song with a great female voice?
TrollingYourButt 1 month ago
"I don't believe that an Irishman would be singing about a loch in Scotland"? Not sure what you mean. Just so we're clear, John McDermott isn't an Irishman. He's a Scots-Canadian.
Duncoman 1 month ago
Heard this song at my Northern Tier camp in Northern Minnesota and it had to be one of the most beautiful things i've ever experienced
jgcoleman14 1 month ago
@jgcoleman14 Good on ye... a great song alright to stir the heart. Take a look at Pfizerpfonics great version also on youtube.
1carrigdhoubh 1 month ago 21
you should look up this song but by Emily's Army
Misshardcore768 2 months ago
You can take the person away from Scotland but u cant take Scotland out of the person! Proud to be Scottish :) x
naomi67180 2 months ago
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picpoul77 2 months ago
:')
fecheman17 2 months ago
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Guys. Please, please. All of you who have children or just anyone. Please don't believe voting for the "right guy" will change things. You're being lied to.
I beg you to look at the video by leuren moret here on youtube. it's 1hr54m. It's been a long time since you heard factual news so be prepared to feel a little shocked.
Then begin to take the advice in her video which might help your family. Spread this news to everyone - for your childrens' sake. I beg you.
telemetry9 2 months ago
Either way it is now considered a traditional song to say the least, from my understanding. The lyrics seem to be plausible, though through divergent origins.
torro454 2 months ago
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torro454 2 months ago
Thanks for the info. I was thinking that was the genealogy of this song but could not recall names, and dates. But it actually supports my supposition. If she heard someone else sing this song, where did they get it, write it, perhaps. A few hundred years is a bit long for speculation. I still surmise that the true origins of this song is lost to the ages, and the content makes it truly timeless. There is also smattering here, and there. Songs are, and always have been mixed, and matched.
torro454 2 months ago
It also has to be remembered that the issue here isn't a songwriter claiming to have written the song. It is in fact exactly the opposite. Spottiswoode claimed to have heard it from an itinirent street singer in Edinburgh, which she may have done, but many suspect she wrote it herself trying to pass it off as traditional. In truth we don't know for sure. However it wouldn't be the only one she's suspected of passing off as trad and in fact others played that game too at that time. It was common
gaconnochie 2 months ago
English ≠ German, meaning nouns are not capitalised (with reference to the text in the description)
Gottheit567 2 months ago
Kudos to you darrin42 for making this video
TheUnknownWarrior000 2 months ago
I may be Irish but this i gave a like even though i have NO Scottish ancestry
TheUnknownWarrior000 2 months ago
@TheUnknownWarrior000 Scots and Irishmen are descended from the same people, the Celts, so in a way, you do.
Kakarot21591 1 week ago
I'm actually Irish but Scots and Irish use the same kind of music. The song is good if you watch Tom & Jerry Nibbles sings this in the Tom and Jerry episode Robin Hoodwinked
TheUnknownWarrior000 2 months ago
Scottish and proud
PerfectInstincts 2 months ago
Carroll and Cloud (MacLeod) here..
J.C.
"Red Is The Rose"
375GTB 2 months ago
I am Scottish too!!!! <3
violaboy2890 2 months ago
Jacobite songs tend to have something in the lyric that definitely link it to the conflicts.
gaconnochie 2 months ago
Supposedly it was penned in Carisle prison by a rebel. who was to to be hanged. to his love. The Low road is him going to his death (the Low Road, being a gibbet stane or hole in the ground) and she must ride back (the High Road), Even unto death he'll think of her.
Madhamish1 2 months ago
my ancestors cleared to the west banks of Loch Lomond during the clearences ive always wondered what it would have been like if that hadn't happened and we had remained as the royal family
shooterfulable 2 months ago
<3 Scotland! <3
Rachael2o1o 2 months ago
similar but not identical to an earlier song called "A Young Man's Dream" which was first publsihed in an 18thC Scottish manuscript. There was also a song to the same tune circulating in Ireland called "Aisling An Oig-Fhir". The fact that the tune was first published in the Scottish manuscript isn't conclusive proof that it is the original as there are other known Irish tunes in the same MS. Though it at least holds true that it could be the original. We don't know for sure.
gaconnochie 2 months ago
@gaconnochie Regardless, it is the message behind the song that is penetrating, and timeless. Many of these melodies, and songs were passed down in oral tradition up until the 17-1800's before written down. Then someone musically literate wrote down the score, and took credit. Whether this melody has anything to do with these lyrics originally is lost to the ages. Most likely someone added, or changed the lyrics at some point. Most "truly" old songs came about that way, then modified etc.
torro454 2 months ago
@torro454 much of what you say is true about songs in general. The point remains though that this song can't be dated any earlier than the mid-19thC and the earliest versions of this song we have available which is still the version mostly heard has nothing remotely Jacobite about it. That is not to say that the song definitely dates from the mid-19thC. Just that it can't actually be traced any earlier. There is no mention of the song in the many publications from earlier decades though.
gaconnochie 2 months ago
have been an older Scottish tune. Who knows? Of course it may have come from outwith Scotland but there is no actual evidence to suggest it did. Danny Boy is different. The song was written by an Englishman called Frederic Edward Weatherly again in the 19thC. He fitted his words to a tune (ie Londonderry Air) supplied by his Irish sister-in-law which she described as an old Irish tune. and the said air is first published in a volume in 1855 called The Ancient Music Of Ireland. The tune is very
gaconnochie 2 months ago
best song in the wolrd and the bonnie banks is the land right next to water
1alannala1 2 months ago
What or who is Bonnie Banks?
Bristow414 2 months ago
thumbs up if you're not scottish, not even have scottish ancestry but still loving this song o/
SaintJimmy145 2 months ago
This makes me really homesick, i wish my term at boarding school would end now so i could get back to scotland.
buchananguy 2 months ago
wat I like about this song is that it is about a parting, even at the end of mortal life and a reunion sometime in the future( regardless of ethniciticy)
edward0988 2 months ago
Great song :)
NewG3N3RATiiON 2 months ago
Thumbs up who heard this song being sang in "The Last King Of Scotland"
DjCovenant 2 months ago
who sings this?
maxdoggie628 2 months ago
no mention or hint of Carlisle, Culloden the Jacobites or whatever! About 30 or so years later the poet Andrew Lang, another Scottish Borderer, wrote a lyric based on this song in which it is a Jacobite prisoner awaiting trial at Carlisle. The oft told myth that it was written by a Jacobite prisoner probably derives from Lang's version. It could theoretically be older than the 1840s but there is no record of it being so. If we don't know then we don't know.
gaconnochie 2 months ago
Being half scottish and half english makes me wonder where my allegiance lies :/
25AGrace 2 months ago
Soooooooooooo nice.
RamzeiaRashed 2 months ago
This song has got to be the best Scottish song I havn't heard many but this just makes my eyes water..so emotional,Scotland is the best!.
supertimmybobs 3 months ago in playlist supertimmybobs's favorites
braveheart ftw lol
fishinlogs 3 months ago
xD love where it says in description " I heard it before it is a classic"
Yes how old are you, its only been around a couple centuries.
MrCarrick91 3 months ago
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i love scotland
dylanhend101 3 months ago
i love svotland
dylanhend101 3 months ago
i'm proud to be Scottish (;
ValkyrieCain123 3 months ago 51
@ValkyrieCain123 Here here to that :) xx
PumpkinPantees 2 months ago
@PumpkinPantees ^^ xx
ValkyrieCain123 2 months ago
alba gu brath.
BreakingMyDawn1 3 months ago
how could you dislike this song? how is it possible?
Ahenry696 3 months ago
@Ahenry696 This song was written about (and ostensibly by) a prisoner taken during the Jacobite Uprising, in 1746. The English hung 50% of the Scottish prisoners, and set the others free to walk back to Scotland and tell the tale. He is going back to Scotland by The Low Road (death) faster than his mate, who is going to have to walk home on The High Road. Has nothing to do with Irishmen, though it's highly disputed that it was actually written by the doomed Jacobite if there even was one.
Destiny4511 3 months ago
Correction this song was written by an Irish man who was being taken from his true love and being sent on to Scotland and his love to England never to see each other again but were latter rejoined some years latter still in love and they died in each others arms some 20 years after just an FYI
BIGBEARabc123 3 months ago
@BIGBEARabc123 The song was not written by an Irishman. The song can be traced no further back than Alicia Spottiswoode who said she heard it being sung in edinburgh. Many suspect she wrote it herself though no-one knows for sure.
gaconnochie 3 months ago
@gaconnochie your cool and mistaken
BIGBEARabc123 2 months ago
@BIGBEARabc123 Sorry but I'm not mistaken. The song as far as we know is 100% Scottish. It was first published in the 1840s in The Vocal Melodies Of Scotland. The words and tune were supplied by the songwriter from the Scottish Borders called Alicia Spottiswoode (Lady John Scott) who said she'd heard it being sung by a street singer in Edinburgh. Many suspect she may well have written it herself but I suppose we will never know for sure. The words were basically as above. A song of exile with
gaconnochie 2 months ago
@gaconnochie once again you are mistaken even with the gender of the writer it was written by a man who was being taken from his true love now im sick of arguing with you so do not reply who gives a flying fuck about it lets just agree to disagree and that its a good song
BIGBEARabc123 2 months ago
@BIGBEARabc123 We can agree to disagree on matters of opinion. But this isn't a matter of opinion. It is the known history of the song. I've given you the name of the people involved and even the book title in which it was first published. These details are easily enogh checked on the net. There are various myths about this song though I've never heard of an Irish connection before. Nothing to it though - and there is nothing Irish about the song.
gaconnochie 2 months ago
@gaconnochie WTF did i say i dont give a fuck leave me alone
BIGBEARabc123 2 months ago
@gaconnochie Your wrong its a Irish melody,that came across the sea.And Danny Boy is a Scottish one,that went across to them that they adopted.I know this as I heard it on a radio Scotland programme with that Cunningham guy.I am not Irish bye the way.I am from Scotland,tunes travel across the sea.He done a show,were the hill billies were playing our melodies in the mountains.With there own words to the ancient music.Its how it works,the music has legs.Were immigrants went so did there songs to.
legandrydirk 2 months ago
@legandrydirk The suggestion was that it (ie the song) was about a Scotsman and Englishwoman in Ireland returning home. Sorry that is pure twaddle. Not saying that the original poster invented it just that he has been fed twaddle. As to the tune's origins as I said the earliest it can be dated is the mid-19thC. There are several similar and slightly earlier dated Scottish songs but they are not close enough to be regarded as the same tune. The tune may have been written by Spottiswoode; it may
gaconnochie 2 months ago
@gaconnochie I heard it was about Jacobites,who had escaped imprisonment after the rebelion.One had to die,whilst the other could live and come home.
legandrydirk 2 months ago
@legandrydirk There is nothing in the song to link it to Jacobites etc. The lyrics are simply a song of exile. Much like Caledonia. In the late 19thC the poet Andrew Lang wrote a Jacobite version of the lyric (as he did with Auld Lang Syne) in which the narrator is in Carlisle jail. The myth that the original song was actually written by a Jacobite in Carlisle jail comes from that. You are right there is a theory that it is a Jacobite song. It could be but it is just a theory. Normally though
gaconnochie 2 months ago
@gaconnochie leave me alone and stop fucking commenting and yes there is something about it being irish know got F yourself and stop replying
BIGBEARabc123 2 months ago
@BIGBEARabc123 Are you sure? Why would an Irishman and his love be meeting on the banks of a Scottish lake before they parted?
kaoticlgnd 2 months ago
@kaoticlgnd loch lommond aint a lake, it is a loch, if i went to america and called every lake there a loch, some one would be bound to bash my face good an' proper so please, call it a loch if you ever visit scotland
skidz1211 1 month ago
@skidz1211 I apologize. My point is though, I don't believe that an Irishman would be singing about a loch in Scotland
kaoticlgnd 1 month ago
@BIGBEARabc123 Not true. A Scottish song written by a Scotsman Andrew Lang
Look up wikipedia for "The Bonnie Banks o' Loch Lomond"
Richnz00 1 month ago
@BIGBEARabc123 you want to get yer facts right cos it was written by a scotsman in scotland, i am scottish and i see that as a insult , you are probably an american idiot who has never even looked at a map of scotland in yer life, do yersel a favor and dont bother coming tae scotland cos you say that to a scotsman, he will bash yer face in good an proper
skidz1211 1 month ago
@skidz1211 i do not fucking care what the fuck you think or know leave me the fuck alone o and by the way Scottish people dont fucking type like that they spell shit out so yoou stfu and leave me the fuck a lone, ps i am irish and i was born in Ireland, and i have plenty of Scottish friend here yes you guessed it america, they all tell me it was written by a Irish man so really what you fucking say doesnt fucking matter to me go away
BIGBEARabc123 1 month ago
@BIGBEARabc123 Just ignore him pal, He's trying to get in your head.
roflmao704 1 month ago
Makes me tear up. So proud to be Scottish :') <3
lilangel2407 3 months ago
43 people are not drunk.
johnnyjolijt 3 months ago
Can't everyone just focus on the song not politics
Hawkflame 3 months ago
The fans of 1.FC. Köln sing this song (with alternate lyrics) before every home game.
dbg3006 3 months ago
Sweet!
bimbogiallo 3 months ago
This song was in the movie 'The Three Lives of Thomasina'
Wellch 3 months ago
@Wellch it's also has a small part on one of AC/DC cds
VictorVonFox 3 months ago
That doesn't mean that everyone fits in. Of course they don't. I know one family who went back to England and couldn't get out of the country quick enough. The guy couldn't take the banter over sport - and the woman had real problems with accepting some of the things at school - like the kids being asked to read and write poems in Scots. The kids had no problems. So some struggle but most have no problems.
gaconnochie 3 months ago
As to shared cultures etc of course much Scottish culture and in particular northern English culture is shared. Basically all the people on these islands probably have more shared than what seperates them. Basically despite the huge numbers there are no english ghettos etc in Scotland. They simply get assimilated and you tend to find that their kids more than not tend to identify themselves as Scots. Likewise in England there are huge numbers of Scots who integrate easily.
gaconnochie 3 months ago
sport etc. The English also assimilate into Scottish society better than basically anyone else. Around the time of the devolution debate there were a few instances of the English media trailing the streets of Scotland looking for anti-Englishness and sometimes trying to set it up even. It was largely a fruitless enterprise. So yes it exists but it is greatly exaggerated.
gaconnochie 3 months ago
@gaconnochie
That's interesting, and it doesn't surprise me that the majority of incidents are related to sport. It does surprise me to hear that the English integrate so well. Better than the Welsh or Irish? To my understanding their cultures have more in common, and there would be less resentment from nationalist bitter from "English dominion over Scotland" as they might say.
As far as this side of the wall goes, I've never met someone who dislikes the Scottish on principle.
Qw3rtypop 3 months ago
@Qw3rtypop I don't think there are many Welsh in the country in comparison to the English so it is hard to say. There aren't that many Irish nowadays in comparison either but there has not been ethnic tensions etc over English incomers like there was in the past over Irish incomers. It was in the past a real problem and the legacy lives on in the sectarian divisions in the west of Scotland. Scots and Irish shared a lot of culture but they also had a lot seperating them - in particular religion.
gaconnochie 3 months ago
done on the subject was carried out by Dundee University and the results are published in a book called Being English In Scotland. The fact of the matter is there are twice as many English incomers in Scotland than all the other incomers put together. However only 2% of complaints about verbal or physical abuse made by incomers are made by English people. So it happens but it is very rare. Of those who said they'd suffered abuse the vast majority admitted it was low level verbal abuse over
gaconnochie 3 months ago
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i love this song. it makes me want to cry and smile at the same time because it was my very Scottish grandpa's favorite song. :')
narathestar 3 months ago
i love this song. it makes me want to cry and smile at the same time because it was my very Scottish grandpa's favorite song. :')
narathestar 3 months ago
we have to sing this in choir and im pretty good i just wish i had the badass accent
blackjesuspower 3 months ago
casually throw offensive abuse at the English in general. Some people don't find that acceptable. Bigoted behaviour is bigoted behaviour whoever the target is and whoever the perpretator is.
gaconnochie 3 months ago
Ahhhhhh it's hearing all the great songs we make that makes me proud to Scottish
swoopmott 3 months ago
we r doin dis song for our topic
lionkingproperties 3 months ago
celtic are shite aberdeen all the way STAND FREE
ZoMbIeS123ification 3 months ago
thumbs up if your scottish or have scottish ancestry:)
casablanca4381 3 months ago 84
@casablanca4381 I was born in Scotland, my parents are both English, on one side my parents are German and Indian and then back through the last three hundred years it goes through Egypt, Syria and some other places. But it all goes back to a man from Glasgow. GET IN!!!!
Battle5tarRJC 2 months ago
@Battle5tarRJC you have an impressive geneology. I can't say that my geneology traces just to just Glasgow(Scottish onmy dad side)(Danish and German predominately on my mom's)
casablanca4381 2 months ago
@casablanca4381 If you research far enough you'll discover that many Scots went out into the world ages ago and as a result many people can trace their family back to a Scotsman. We do like to stote a bit.
Battle5tarRJC 2 months ago
I cried.
coffee115 3 months ago
Who in bloody hell disliked this video???
This is the most beautiful version of this song i've ever heard
aguyfromrs 3 months ago
@aguyfromrs only fucking english bastards who hate scotland dislike this
craigr341 3 months ago
@craigr341 couldnt of said it better than myself
loijsan 3 months ago
@craigr341
We English don't hate Scotland. Calling us "fucking english bastards" is just demonstrating that you're the more intolerant one.
Qw3rtypop 3 months ago
@Qw3rtypop Unfortunately every nation has its bigots and we Scots are no different! In the real Scotland of course, outside of the net where people casually throw insults about, English people on the whole get on rather well assimilating into Scottish life. Well done for poitning out it was an individual who was being intolerant and not castigating the whole country as some would do :-)
gaconnochie 3 months ago
@Qw3rtypop I've been called a dirty Scottish bastard, a dirty Irish bastard on many occasions. The intolerance is prominent on both sides of the border, trust me. I've been to Newcastle, the Lake District and Manchester... I love the cities but I've gotten some heavy abuse by some.
Improbable0possible 3 months ago
@Improbable0possible Every nation has its bigots. One of my friends was glassed when we were in Yarmouth just for having a Scottish accent. Someone I know from the south of England was attacked in Scarborough for being southern. It goes on. However the vast majority of people aren't like that and the vast majority of Scots and English people get on rather well with each other despite the ribbing over sport etc. There does seem to be a case in some of these threads though that it is ok to almost
gaconnochie 3 months ago
@Improbable0possible
Well naturally in all places there are going to be some intolerant people, but that shouldn't be taken as representative of the whole. His reaction of 'fighting fire with fire' is only perpetuating the aggression.
Though no doubt if I visited Scotland my posh southern English accent would attract a lot of unwelcome attention too from certain people. It's sad really, as I've not been there since I was a child.
Qw3rtypop 3 months ago
@Qw3rtypop "my posh southern English accent would attract a lot of unwelcome attention too from certain people" I think the type of people who would rail at a posh accent (which of course is in itself wrong) would rail because it is posh rather than because it was English. In other words they would just as likely comment on a posh Scottish accent. The facts are that the English are far less likely to suffer from intolerance in Scotland that most other incomers. The only real half serious study
gaconnochie 3 months ago
Wonderfully sung!
daitinsou 3 months ago
Dumb !
Hannnah55 3 months ago
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hockeyscorer75 3 months ago
@hockeyscorer75 What does tht mean im only 9
Hannnah55 3 months ago
SCOTLAND where the true legends live...
AAAZZZAAA75 3 months ago 2
how bony is this? xD
xAlmostAngels 4 months ago 2
the First Minister gets no place at the European Table. Do you really he would have less influence in Europe as First Minister of an independent Scotland there on equal terms with the other European leaders than he has at the moment? Yes there are people representing Scotland in Europe but at the national level they have no mandate from the Scottish people!
gaconnochie 4 months ago
have at the moment as a region of a member state! At the national govt level Scotland is being represented in the EU by a coalition govt who only got about a third of the Scottish vote! Added to that is the fact that the bulk of Scottish Lib Dem voters would probably have opposed a pact with the Tories! The Prime Minister speaks on behalf of Britain as a whole but his party only got about 16% of the Scottish vote. In the elections for the Scottish Parliament the SNP got over 40% of the vote yet
gaconnochie 4 months ago
Whether Scotland is independent or not still remains part of EU which might not be any better for Scots than existing union with the English now. If EU membership is any good for UK it could be another question. I think giving more power to Brussels would take more power away from the peoples of British Isles. I'm Czech living in Scotland.
ratmanofscotland 4 months ago
@ratmanofscotland Again though in an independent Scotland we (as in the inhabitants of Scotland) could actually decide for ourselves what our relationship with the EU is. We can't do that at the moment as only a small fraction of MPs in the Commons are Scots and we have no seat at the European table ourselves. I've no quip with people arguing for the retention of the union. It is a valid argument to make. I just don't see how we could possibly have less influence on Europe as a member than we
gaconnochie 4 months ago
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@ratmanofscotland Wrong we get a vote to see if we want to stay in the EU.We have options and could join Noway,Switzerland and Lichenstein in there wee league.And Norway and Switzerland are super rich.You clearly are not following current events.The SNP have said this is going to happen,about the vote,a few months ago.
legandrydirk 3 months ago
Manly tears were shed.
1337BleachFan 4 months ago 37
@1337BleachFan I admire your honesty.
WorldClassTimeWaster 4 months ago
"We are the Lassies of Mac Arthur High, of our fame we couldn`t be prouder! We`re loyal and true, to our colors White and Blue and we`ll back the mighty Brahmas what `er they may do..." Greetings from the Alamo City- San Antonio
Kharkovkid 4 months ago
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ratmanofscotland 4 months ago
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ratmanofscotland 4 months ago
I am Irish but have loved this song since I learned it in school more than 40 years ago
ChrisDoylefly 4 months ago
Here in Scotland, we take a strong moral stand against oppression, segregation and the English
Glazipps177 4 months ago
@Glazipps177
The English aren't oppressing us. But under the SNP, we WILL be oppressed by Brussels.
kramnodd12 4 months ago
@kramnodd12 It is a fair point that the SNP's current pro-EU stance goes basically unchallenged but I don't see that going along those lines helps any unionist arguments. We are already in the EU but don't have our own seat at the table. Surely if you are going to be in the EU then it is more independent to represent yourself? If we have common interests with the English etc then we can act with them!
gaconnochie 4 months ago
@gaconnochie
If Scotland is represented in the EU as a nation, then the EU will have a tighter stranglehold over us. We'll be even more powerless as one of the smaller nations. The EU depises the very notion of nation states and its agenda create one big European superstate. Even the current (unelected) EU president has stated that he sees the EU as a "testbed" for world governance.
kramnodd12 4 months ago
@kramnodd12 To tell you the truth I don't follow that so we are just going to have to disagree. A block of states acting in unison can have as much influence within the EU as one larger state. The difference being that a Scottish govt could pick and choose what is and what isn't in our interests - which isn't the case at the moment.
gaconnochie 4 months ago
*is to create
kramnodd12 4 months ago
travel extensively in England too. I'm very aware of any actual issues there are between our peoples (which are greatly exaggerated on the net) and this song isn't one fo the issues. Why would they (ie the English) take offence at wee birdies singing or meeting your lover in a shady glen etc? It is just a silly suggestion.
gaconnochie 4 months ago
side of the English is either mad or pulling your leg. Or possibly both!
gaconnochie 4 months ago
about the songs connotations and treat it as a folk song pure and simple. There isn't that sectarian divide in England like there is in Belfast and to a lesser extent Glasgow. Loch Lomond has no such connotations though and I've never heard anyone particularly express dislike of the song. Listen to the lyircs. What on earth is there to take offence to? Generally when English folk here these songs on holiday here they lap them up. Anyone who told you Loch Lomond is disliked and is a thorn in the
gaconnochie 4 months ago
gets het up about these things.
gaconnochie 4 months ago
Scots if you treat the terms English and British as if they are one and the same thing! It gets more complicated than that as far as identity goes. There is no other term for a citizen of the UK other than British and a majority in that part of Ireland whihc is in the UK will regard themselves as British too - though there is also a large minority who would hate being called that. Very few Scots regard themselves as primarily British. Only about 6 or 7 % which is probably mostly incomers.
gaconnochie 4 months ago
i must say, as an argentinian, i hate those who come from the dark lands of england. but scottish and irish, they have my respect.
this song is a true scottish beauty for the entire world to enjoy, regards
saintmaster22 4 months ago
@saintmaster22 Thank you, this has always been one of my favorite songs. That was the point I tried to make in short by pointing out this is a Canadian singer. This isn't only a Scottish gem it is a world gem. regards.
torro454 4 months ago
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saintmaster22 4 months ago
Incredible song, sung by a Canadian singer.
torro454 4 months ago
im scottish and proud!
MissEzzieBezzie 4 months ago
so proud to be scottish.... and to all u cunts who are being dicks about my amazing bonnie country its just cuz ur jelous. COME ON SCOTLAND!!xxxxxx <3
tailsALS 4 months ago
I love Scotland and the great Scottish people
Best regards from Brazil
Mariocesar 4 months ago 7
@conectmaster I believe you're mixing up Scottish people with Welsh with the 'Sheep Fucker' comment.
runescapeia 4 months ago
I'm not fully Scottish, but this makes me proud to know of my Scottish ties. <3
Cloudystorm101 4 months ago