The initial premise of his argument made me laugh. 'Disprove atheism entirely'? The only requirement someone needs to be classed as an atheist is to have no faith that any God exists, anything else is dependant on the individual. If you were to disprove atheism you would have to prove that God exists.
Leviticus 25:44-46 establishes slavery as part of God's plan for humanity. This was used throughout the colonial era in the Americas to justify it. Also there are numerous genocidal and xenophobic passages in the Bible, such as 1 Samuel 15:3 where the genocide of the Amalekites is ordered and specifically asks for no mercy against children, elderly, pregnant women, even their animals. Hatred of foreigners went completely out of control in the Old Testament.
“...for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a DARK, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us...” - Mormon 5:15
“...and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a WHITE AND DELIGHTSOME PEOPLE.” - 2 Nephi 30:6
from the BOOK OF MORMON “...wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a SKIN OF BLACKNESS to come upon them.” - 2 Nephi 5:21
“And the skins of the Lamanites were DARK, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which WAS A CURSE upon them because of their transgression...” - Alma 3:6
I think it's funny that most of the troll comments on you video say that "Your video wasted their time", or "Watching this is a waste of time", but it's really they're choice in weather or not they watch it. They wasted they're own time.
@ViolentJay100 enjoy wasting your whole life with tht science fiction book tht retards call the bible. Id rather believe Hogwartz exists and base my morals off of the teachings of Harry Potter.
Of course there is no line in bible where it says "you have to rasist". What the hell are you expecting for? However. There are lots and lots of parts where God himself directs people to kill, enslave and he himself kills people just because they are not Jews. It's very very easy to make conclusions from there.
This video is idiotic and *way* too long. I wasted 3 minutes of my life and still you had not made a single valid point. You're just wrong, and have no sensible argument, so you are trying to be funny instead, but you suck at it.
Aheist morality comes from making sure you treat people right and dont make anyone unhappy . Chrstian morality is "if i kill homosexuals i get to go to heaven". Religion is for cavemen bro. This is 2011. You can't disprove atheism. You cant.
according to your opening comment, if I disprove one thing one stupid christian says, then that debunks christianity in it's entirety. I don't need to do a study to see that christians are against other cultures, beliefs, societies, and races. My own family is extremely religious and extremely racist, funny how I'm the only one in the family who is a non-believer and not a racist, and I never even connected those dots until now, thanks! oh, and ur a complete brainwashed moron, peace be with u!
0:20 Whoa there genius! Debunking an argument made by one or more atheists does not mean you are 'debunking atheism in its entirety'. You didn't actually refute the meta-study at all. You just say "Does religion cause racism? No!" You should address it's arguments for causation. 5:44 How can you say the busdriver was racist if he told the the black people to sit in the back of the bus? He still let them on! Treating people as second class citizens (or as dogs) because of their race is racist!
If we're going to link religiosity and racism, I don't need statistics. The bible was used as an excuse to own slaves back in the 1800's using various passages of Jesus telling slaves to obey their masters, ESPECIALLY if they're cruel, the old testament talking about how to buy, sell, and mark slaves by driving stakes through their ears, how much you're allowed to beat slaves...I feel Slavery's immoral, don't you?
@BigLundi the bible didnt approve slavery, dumbasses just used it as an excuse. and most people were servents. servents are paid in some way for their services, and doesnt it make sense that if u work for someone, u do what they say?
@JellayToasT Mmm, these servants were paid in housing and food, much like any other slave. They were allowed to be beaten, so long as they didn't immediately DIE from it, and you could drive a stake in their ears to mark them as property. Sorry, but biblical slavery was slavery, and it was endorsed by the bible. Change the word 'slave' to 'servant' and you still have some HORRID working conditions akin to slavery.
@BigLundi look, i dont find slavery right ok, the times back then were different. that doesnt make an excuse for it to be ok. but u have to also understand something, slaves back in the 1700s 1800s werent all beaten, just a very small number. think about it, slaves were valueble property, u would want to make them happy. sure they had some harsh conditions, but they were too expinsive for most people to just set free. as soon as most people had enough, theyd set them free.
@JellayToasT LOL, seriously? Is your argument, "They weren'T ALL beaten..."
Do you want to make your toaster happy? Do you want to make your car happy? No, you just want them to keep working correctly. Slaves weren';t looked at as people, they were, as you put it, 'property'. Most people were NOT set free, loopholes were always found to keep people for as long as the owner wants, whih would be indefinately, like...giving them a wife and children.
@JellayToasT ugh, that's pathetic dude. Seriously. The fact that you're saying, "But they weren't all beaten" as a rational excuse for what happened is...insane. It's deplorable, it's actually downright immoral. Do yourself a favor, don't try to justify slavery, any slavery, even biblical slavery. It wasn't right then, it's not right now. It's not. Right. To own. People.
Atheist think there to smart to be under any thing. They think there is no God thats fine when they are young but when they are on the death bed,I think every atheist is wondering WHAT IF.? WHAT IF?
Correlation doesn't equal causation, but it is statistically significant (that's how Social Statistics works, tough cookies) and there's an obvious direct relationship that is chartable. Many of the studies controlled for class, education, region, gender, and age. I really hope you're joking, but in that case you're sort of wasting everyone's time, don't you think?
@KatraKara There's a relationship, sure, but it's not the cause. That's what I am refuting, that it is not the cause. Maybe I could have been more clear on that?
Of course you are quite right about correlation not equalling causation but this does not alter probability which is what your opening statement is about. The likelihood of a thing? Also the first second and third rule of satistics [sic] is that it is pronounced sTatistics (my capital). Good luck with the disproving atheism. The thing that confirmed me as an atheist/agnostic was the poverty of theistic arguments so keep up the good work.
@ooglebydoogleby When I started doing this, a lot of atheist arguments "sounded" right, but when I researched the issues at hand I found many arguments to be unfounded, or at the very least, that the truth was in the gray. That is why I still remain a Christian.
@5thWatcher Google when the origin of the species was published and when the trans atlantic slave trade finished. You might find the arguments put forward by christians that evolution equals racism can not be true. What was the justification for the slave trade? Eugenics is not evolution and the singling out, identification and persecution of other groups as racially different is in your bible. The difference between modern genocides and older ones is capacity to kill.
@ooglebydoogleby I don't get what this has to do with anything? I never made any claims about anything like this. Don;t argue with me about points I didn't make.
I stopped the video at 27 seconds because you already made a ridiculous claim. According to you debunking one argument that is made by one atheist destroys the whole notion of atheism. Firstly if this is true then so is the converse. And as clearly this is a flawed idea your beliefs are proven false by your own statement despite the paradox! Cant wait for the next bit. Tee hee hee!
You said you would disprove the claim "the more religious the more chance there is to be racist". You disproof is basically that correlation is not causation. But where exactly in the initial claim do you see anything talking about causation? It's about chance, probability, capish? Which is a completely true claim by the way. You should obey your first rule of statistics and not talk about them, since you can't even make the difference between cause and probability.
@2CSST2 So yeah you are completely wrong. It IS true that the more religious you are the more likely you are to be racist. You DID do a stupid mistake by saying this talks about causation, since it talks about likeliness. You therefore HAVENT disproven the point and HAVENT "disproven a negative (atheism)" which is non-sensical in itself. Dislike, go study statistics, and goodbye
you are right: correlation is not causation. racism isn´t caused by "beeing religious" and vice versa. If there are 2 correlated factors (like the study you are referring to shows) chances are that there is a common factor, which is causing the 2 factors. i would make the case that the underlaying common factor which causes racism and religion is the unwillingness to understand a reality that is more complex than it can be told in one sentence.
I am glad you agree on the first part, but your proposal for the root cause to the two issues is too vage and abstract. It's far more likely an issue that relates to poverty level or education (or lack there of).
I don't mind admitting that because there are plenty of religious people who are also educated... which, on second thought, means it's probably a specific combination of factors that causes rasism.
There's people way more erroneous and come across far more crazy, that are completely serious, venomfangx for example, so it's not even the slightest stretch of the mind to assume, having viewed just one other of your vids first, that it was a serious one.
@gavsmith1980 Apparently I didn't know what "Poe" meant when I wrote that and I am not a "Poe". I do however, frequently delve into sarcasm, which some users have trouble discerning. This video is about half and half. A lot of times there's layers of comedy and 'sarcasm as the 'bread' on each side of the serious 'meat' int he 5thWatcher 'sandwich'.
well as you now know having looked up poes law, it's very hard to spot the difference between idiots, and paridies of idiots, since the two aren't that different.
people are so used to seeing elswhere, what you mean as sarcasm, used as serious arguments.
given which, it's hardly suprising that people don't recognize the satire in your vids, there's no discernible difference between them and other peoples videos posted in all seriousness.
if you dont beleive god exists, is that the same as beleiving that god doesnt exist? If so, then you could disprove atheism. In saying this, i am an athiest, so dont try and disprove it, just beleive in what you want, you have no right or responsibilty to convert others. in my honest opinion of course.
Man, you really are clueless. NO ONE can "debunk" Atheism. Atheism is the REJECTION of all religions. There is nothing to debunk. Atheists are intelligent enough to understand that ALL religions are just mythology. Nothing more.
The fact that you cannot tell the difference between beliefs and facts goes along way into showing how truly ignorant you really are.
@iwsos Is this satirical? Well as an atheist, dare I say, thank God! Actually, I sorta feel embarrassed that I didn't pick up on it on first viewing but now, having watched it again, I can see that it clearly is. Thanks for the heads-up iwsos.
To all the people saying you can't disprove atheism: please. You can't prove/disprove anything with 100% certainty because there is always a chance you're wrong due to faulty evidence or logic. But to say you can't disprove atheism because it's a lack of a belief is like saying you can't disprove creationism because it's a "lack of belief in evolution." Such things are dualistic, the lack of belief in one thing means the belief in its alternative, and yes, sorry, atheism is still a belief.
Assuming it was undisputed fact that religion leads directly to perfect morally and the total absence of racism, that would prove that religion was useful.
But doesn't do squat to prove it's TRUE.
Unfortunately though religion has proven not to be nearly that useful.
talk about correlation, your all over the board man you didn't disprove Athesim you can't its an absence of belief you can't prove something wrong that isn't their, you proved to me your not the sharpest tool in the shed :)
I can't believe there are so many ignorant bastards on here that ignore whatever their opposition says, whatever happened to being open minded? All in all, not one hole can be shot in this guys argument, all I see is a bunch of ignorant jackasses arguing over a misleading title that is PURPOSELY, completely satirical
What do you mean by disproving atheism? You can't disprove a lack of a particular belief. It would be like saying "I have disproved the non-belief in the Easter Bunny".
I like to think that believing in a god isnt the major thing that mankind should be focusing on. I think that if you look at it from a logical standpoint, the things that god says is wisdom. And some things i read from the bible is disapprove of. You dont have to believe in god in order to walk the path that god wants you to take. be a good person towards others, and share a positive impact on others, and grow the urge to smarten your mind.
~As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property.
~You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Perhaps this is not racism per se, But it is definitely a xenophobic double standard. 'Love thy neighbour, Screw everyone else.'
To demand blind faith, then preach that non-believers are Foolish, corrupt, vile, and can do no good, Is amoral. Brainwashing basically.
Your correct. Correlation does NOT mean causation. HOWEVER, nowhere in your video did you present anything that disproves atheism, which I presume was supposed to be the whole point of your argument?
u cant disprove atheism cause its ABSENCE of belief in something (god). There's nothing to disprove. What CAN be refuted is the CLAIM of something, such as god.
@handom85 I'm an atheism myself, but any evidence that there is a god would be a disproof of atheism. Any stance COULD be hypothetically disproven if it takes any assertive stance.
I don't need cause for the findings to be significant. The overwhelming tendency of a correlation between religiosity and a societal ill is profound in itself; plenty to avoid it altogether and be part of the solution to racism etc rather than putting something that can't even be proven (god) above, for example, my kids/family, good for the sake of good, pple, society, nature, etc. & likely have the distorted sense of morality that would allow me to justify the many immoralities of christianity
I was really wishing that your arguments would be worth watching... unfortunately this was not the case. You use a technique from debate known as the “distraction technique” where you act like a fool most of the time and only actually debate the topic 15% of the time. You could also say that you use a lot of “fillers.” Talking about Sarah Palin and singing your song shows that you are trying to distract the audience from your lack of proof and "statistics" (a word wrongly used in your title).
@freethought1990 Oh geez. This is just a silly response that fails to say anything of substance. The filler is for entertainment value. In older videos I didn't do it and I find them outlandishly boring. You should easily be able to pull out the arguments. If ou got a problem with my title then you've got a problem with the article I argue against.
@5thWatcher If you in fact do believe that you make valid arguments that can stand to be presented without all the diversions, perhaps you should sum these up in the description.
Also, the fact that correlation does not necessarily imply causality does not make the correlation insignificant.
You give your views on the causality, which seems to be based more on imagination than on evidence, and the researchers give theirs, which is much more justified than how you present it.
@5thWatcher You are right, correlation does not equal causation. The key point of this aphorism is to make explicate that when coming across a correlation you should not automatically assume a causal relationship. It is not prohibitive, as you imply. Two things may correlate due to a causal relationship. A good argument could be made for this being the case with racism and religion.
The study did not say Jesus was a racist. In its context his message was radically cosmopolitan.
@freethought1990 youve got a point and all but its not like its that hard to tell when he is making his arguments; hes not making big long distractions. He's just trying to make his videos entertaining (sarah palin jokes are usually pretty funny). Whether he is or not is a different subject entirley.
Yes, he is mildly amusing in the first couple of vids, but he goes off message, tries to be "scientific" but just ends up spouting the usual weak arguments of all religions.
Theists have just running out of arguments, all they can do is wrap it differently, and motor-mouth here just runs out of wrapping after a while.
Religion causes racism, because it CAN be used to legitimate whatever they want. And because there are verses in the bible, which can legitimate slavery and racism, they can be used and are used to legitimate slavery and racism.
A verse in the bible, that contradicts another verse isn't a proof, that racism is higher in religious minds. It only is a proof, that both can be legitimated, although in rational minds racism should be totally rejected. But religion disturbs a normal moral compromise.
you know. I don't care about god existence. fuck him anyway. greedy hypocrite liar who extremely cares for his apples and hates his children because they were born with high IQ or just with different sexual orientation. one who gives people unfair tests and sands them to hell if they fail only one thing in it. epicure proved that if god is real, he IS MALEVOLENT SELFISH IDIOT. he is father who is ashamed of himself because his children are better. ISN'T HE AN ASSHOLE?
my father doesn't want me to be better than he is? well, it makes him a big asshole with big dark red hemorrhoids in it and with horrible shitty smell coming out of his giant, "morally deep" crappy abyss. DESTROY ASSLICKER!!! (I mean christians!) hail satan! I don't want to live in heaven with bunch of SCHMUCK DICKSUCKERS! do you?
In the bible, do you beleive every word of it, new and old testement? specificly, the very start, GOD creates adam and eve? two, two humans, a grown man, and a grown woman, not children, adults, with the minds of children, or did God fill their minds with all the knowlege a human wud pick up from baby to adult? Humans, SUM DISITINCT resemblcses to apes, and extinct earlier up right walking apes, why are they extinct? why becaue they are us, thats why, we killed all the others we're smarter!
An invisible man who sits invisible to see if you're good or not? you will get rewards for good behaivour, and punishment for bad!!!! He has a beard!!!!... All he needs now is a red uniform!!!!!
does he sound like any one familar from when you were a kid, santa is the one for kids, GOD is the one for adults!
you shud be a dr, if you can diagnose mental illnessesssess, from one set of posts, that you wrongly read, then comment on your wrongness, cos that's fucking amazing!
@joggylol well isnt that a turn up for the books, I am also the hand of god, I am the right hand, so i guess that makes you the left hand, the feeble, that god used to make, i dunno let's say moths!
1+2: What was god doing, and for how long was he doing it, in the utter-timless-nothing he created our universe from?
3: How the hell did God create everything that is, from the utter-timeless-nothing?
4: why did god make all mammals the same design, with all the same internal organs, the same amount of limbs, to repoduce in the exact same way, when humans are supposed to be gods special ones?
5: Why didnt God just make our 1 solar system, why a possibly infinite universe, impossible to travel?
6: What are our 'Guardian Angels' for, they dont save us from danger, rape, kidnap, mugging, or missing the bus, the train, last orders?
7: If God has a plan for all of us, it's not really free will then is it, or is it? and if it is why does he have some of his beloved children, aborted, murdered, abused etc
8:If it's true that god wanted the tree of knowledge left alone and none of it's fruit eatten, why did god sit ilde as the devil tricked eve? a fence, cctv maybe, couple of angel guards?
8b: In the bible, that was adam and eves first transcrestion, why in the fuck is every human born blessed with original sin, that must be washed away by holy water? if god told me not to eat from that tree, i wudnt, i dont care who or what who says! god punished women more, by making pregnacy horrible, and child birth painful.
9: how did god forget to cut the foreskin off his new toys before playing with them?
10: How can a preist abuse children, when he is supposed to be gods messanger?
its pretty obvious to anyone with a bit of common sense, that religion does not cause racism. if you took a completely non-racist person and taught them religion, they would not become racist.
ya ur right maybe racist people are just religious. I'm sorry but there are a lot of comments on youtube by people who follow god screaming how islam is the religion of the devil. It makes sense why a religious person might be more likely to be racist. Typically religious people are less educated and more norrow-minded.
@5thWatcher Or that he didn't realise that you were only covering a few things like immorality, not something else which he was thinking of at the time of the posting.
Many measures of both religion and racism increase with age which may help to explain their correlation. Many measures of both religion and racism decrease with education which may also explain their correlation. When I was a child in the South the public school teacher told us that the KKK played many funny tricks on blacks. The church said "red, and yellow, black and white they are precious in his sight." The church was the least racist institution I dealt with.
Silly Cristian. God is for kids! Chosen shmosen. This argument is boring, but you are not. I thought the Sarah Palin bit was funny. Also, I do not think that religious people are racist so much as racist people tend to be religious.
You do realize scientific research has already proven that most of The Bible is not only contradictory, but the majority of events that "happened" could not have happened? Take the parting of the Red Sea. A river 125 miles regularly floods every year & according to the area layout & research, around the time the "great flood" happened, that river rose about 22 feet higher than normal. ANY science can destroy The Bible from cover to cover. THAT is fact.
Wow. You could have summed up that 11:00 video into about 10 seconds = correlation doesn't mean causation.
Just because this is argument is true, however, doesn't mean that religion automatically doesn't make a person racist. Just sayin'. As you indicated, there are a lot of environmental factors involved. One environmental factor is religion.
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
As well as Deut. 10:15, Deut. 23:3, Gen. 9:25, Ezra 9:1-2...
@5thWatcher Are you an idiot? Your logic also means that God doesn't exist because ID is debunked. I suggest you stop being so close minded and actually place open minded logic to your "claims". There's no evidence for a creator and there never will be evidence for this because religion is a BELIEF, It does not rely on any evidence. I can not be used to explain anything, We got science for that. If you got some attitude problem with modern science then that's just sad.
@mikkemokke No I am not an idoit, however, you might be. In you last sentence you seem to suggest that statistics is synonymous with science. Yeeeeeah. About that. I have no problem with science, but you do, since you've demonstrated here today you actually don't know what it is.
@5thWatcher What are you, An angry desperate little child? I'm only hostile to your arguement "Debunk one arguement, you disprove atheism" Nothing works on statistics and everyone should know that already.
@5thWatcher Yeah! Because he just was sarcastic. If something is preached from a text then it has an impact on how people become. If in the case of the bible racism i one of the negatives i don´t know at the moment but gonna research.
@highvoltage47 It's not just my opinion, it's an explanation of the significance of the study. I simply explained "correlation" as it pertains to statistics. The significance, as explained, is very small. (Look it up, if you wish.)
Also, there isn't any evidence Hitler had any personal belief that what he was doing was God's will, only that he used God as a persuasion tactic to forward his agenda. If that's how you roll, then what of Stalin, who killed millions who refused to become atheist?
@5thWatcher ok I'm not going to argue against that, but statistics are statistics. you dont deny the statistics. No one has explicitly stated that religious people are more rascist than non-religious people, but the statistics support such a claim. Your only defensive arguement is that these statistics show only a "correlation" making the claim not necessarily true. And such an arguement doesn't really lead you anywhere.
@5thWatcher 1st of all it HAS been proven that hitler was a catholic 2nd stalin killed people who could stage a coup or rise up against him... not just the religious but also his assistants, commanders, and many militant officers in his own army... he was a paranoid bastard
@highvoltage47 Lol you forgot he was also motivated by evolution... He tried to prove that jews were inferior using it, funny huh? I believe in evolution, but I find it funny that atheists try but fail to make my religion look bad.
Stupider isn't a word. The bible was used to justify the slave trade. Us vs. Them is prevalent in racism and religion does provide that.......also the bible is sexist. If your wife cheats on you, you can kill her. I also love all your 5th grade grammar.
"Love God and love you neighbor(neighbor being everyone else)"Are the most important(equally)rules according to Jesus.He said it sums up all laws,so...If one was to follow these laws,how could they be racist or immoral?How could someone commit crimes toward your neighbor while loving both God and said neighbor?
What you have said has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. That is all. You have taken a good argument against some bad studies and some bad statics. So you make a good argument against the wrong people.
so you're saying that god justified the mass murdering tendencies of the roman catholic church during the medieval period? what sort of all powerful being who apparently created us all would allow those who are his representatives on earth to slaughter each other in order to further their own power and political agendas? all you religious zealot hippies are the same. its called darwinism! douches
so you're saying that god justified the mass murdering tendencies of the roman catholic church during the medieval period? what sort of all powerful being who apparently created us all would allow those who are his representatives on earth to slaughter each other in order to further their own power and political agendas? all you religious zealot hippies are the same. its called darwinism! douches
motivated almost only, if not only, by religion. I have heard no reason for the discrimination against homosexuals that is not religiously-motivated. But maybe you can give me an example. I would love to be proven wrong.
Even if religion does not specifically "cause" racism, it is far from innocent. In the name of religion, people commit atrocities. An illustrative example of this is 9/11. Also, even if not divisive in terms of race, religion is undeniably divisive in terms of sexual orientation. There are several passages in the Bible that specifically condemn homosexuality. And, again, people commit atrocities and practice irrational prejudice with this information. The prejudice against gays today is
What I'm saying here, 5th, is that what you've believed, and continue to believe, is not rational. It is a belief that was planted in you as a child, and is not something based on 21st, or even 20th, century 'reason'.
Some are raised to believe that there are no gods. Some are raised to believe that there is, or are, god/s. I'm in neither category. You're in the latter.
If I don't sound respectful, it's because I'm not. I can't be. I respect you. I just do not respect your belief.
@Skindoggiedog You got me all wrong though I don't feel like typing out my life story right now. I feel like we may have had this conversation before though, I and I think you went away satisfied. Would have been well over a year ago though.
@5thWatcher - Your life story? Could there be any other interpretation of that, aside from 'Personal anecdote(s) unsupported by demonstrable evidence'?
All the bullshit people talk about religious beliefs ... it doesn't matter. What matters is truth. If you cannot show the truth of what you believe ... then what's it worth? It's a guess. A wish. A hope. A dream. Nothing more.
Do you hold truth? I don't think you do. You're bluffing, and it shows. If you did, why wouldn't you share it?
@TruthfulChristian stuid?... Well done, Good job! Perhaps you should get a life? Doing things on your OWN for example. Instead of following some lame book.
I reccomend books by Rodney Stark. Hes a sociologist, he started his work as an atheist, I believe hes a Christian now, but his honest research comes out in support of religion.
I think the thing that galls me is that god is fine with slavery. It's moral according to the bible. The 13th goes against something that god is fine with. Is that immoral? Don't forget we aren't talking about the little stuff, this is slavery.
Isn't that the whole point of Christianity? Using the bible as your main moral compass? Christians have been given a list of what is and isn't moral by their god. According to the bible shouldn't the Thirteenth Amendment be immoral? Is it?
@yarabokin Even if we are to say the Bible is the standard for morality, that doesn't mean that everything else ever is completely outside of that morality. Why would the 13th Amendment be immoral? There is nothing in the Bible requiring anyone to keep servants. Even so, not everything in the Bible is meant as moral instruction.
@5thWatcher - Not requiring anyone to keep servants, but instructing on the severity of the punishment that may be inflicted upon them - it is fine to beat your slave, as he is your property, as long as the beating does not kill the slave within a day or two? Oh, it's bad if the slave loses an eye, but brain-damage, other organ damage is fine.
Another verse:
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey .. his father ... then all the men of the city shall stone him to death"
@5thWatcher - The bible .. the standard for morality? This god dictates just how close to death you are allowed to beat your slaves. This god accepts and commands human sacrifice. This god instructs infanticide, genocide.
You believe because you were instructed that it was true by people whom you trusted to inform you about the world before you were able to weigh up the evidence yourself.
There is no evidence to support your belief. The unfalsifiability of your claim is your only escape.
@IrishDudeNamedShamus It sucks and all, but slavery was not racially motivated in that time and place. It was a way to pay off debts, and was closer to servitude. No one raced was forced into it.
The initial premise of his argument made me laugh. 'Disprove atheism entirely'? The only requirement someone needs to be classed as an atheist is to have no faith that any God exists, anything else is dependant on the individual. If you were to disprove atheism you would have to prove that God exists.
You didn't.
Johnny6feet 1 week ago
Leviticus 25:44-46 establishes slavery as part of God's plan for humanity. This was used throughout the colonial era in the Americas to justify it. Also there are numerous genocidal and xenophobic passages in the Bible, such as 1 Samuel 15:3 where the genocide of the Amalekites is ordered and specifically asks for no mercy against children, elderly, pregnant women, even their animals. Hatred of foreigners went completely out of control in the Old Testament.
BoricuaChiTown 1 week ago
“...for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a DARK, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us...” - Mormon 5:15
“...and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a WHITE AND DELIGHTSOME PEOPLE.” - 2 Nephi 30:6
BoricuaChiTown 1 week ago
from the BOOK OF MORMON “...wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a SKIN OF BLACKNESS to come upon them.” - 2 Nephi 5:21
“And the skins of the Lamanites were DARK, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which WAS A CURSE upon them because of their transgression...” - Alma 3:6
BoricuaChiTown 1 week ago
I think it's funny that most of the troll comments on you video say that "Your video wasted their time", or "Watching this is a waste of time", but it's really they're choice in weather or not they watch it. They wasted they're own time.
ViolentJay100 1 month ago
@ViolentJay100 They sure did. Though in all honestly this isn't the best video I've made in terms of revenant religious issues.
5thWatcher 1 month ago
@ViolentJay100 enjoy wasting your whole life with tht science fiction book tht retards call the bible. Id rather believe Hogwartz exists and base my morals off of the teachings of Harry Potter.
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@EnvyNumber3 Right...you go do that then. Sounds a little retarded though.
ViolentJay100 1 month ago
@ViolentJay100 too bad theres no difference from religion and Hogwartz
EnvyNumber3 1 month ago
Of course there is no line in bible where it says "you have to rasist". What the hell are you expecting for? However. There are lots and lots of parts where God himself directs people to kill, enslave and he himself kills people just because they are not Jews. It's very very easy to make conclusions from there.
Erholts 1 month ago
This video is idiotic and *way* too long. I wasted 3 minutes of my life and still you had not made a single valid point. You're just wrong, and have no sensible argument, so you are trying to be funny instead, but you suck at it.
eventhisidistaken 1 month ago
@curtsphobias yeah I know, all that's needed to take something as fact is complete denial of any evidence that contradicts the fact.
Texemosis 1 month ago
@m109r1800 so youre admiting that a belief in god just comes from a fear of death oh no... I'm sure it's the holy spirit... Haha, you're dumb.
schclum 2 months ago
Aheist morality comes from making sure you treat people right and dont make anyone unhappy . Chrstian morality is "if i kill homosexuals i get to go to heaven". Religion is for cavemen bro. This is 2011. You can't disprove atheism. You cant.
schclum 2 months ago
@schclum
and since when can anyone "prove" atheism?
177xxxx 1 month ago
So where's god? Come down and shake my hand god. Stop the holocaust. The kkk is a christian organization. So you are a stupid cunt.
schclum 2 months ago
I'm sorry but I could only stand about 2 mins, and then it became more then a little tedious
malkeyor4 3 months ago
excellent, let me know when you review gets published in a journal.
Texemosis 4 months ago
please disprove the loch ness monster!
ExcaliburClan 5 months ago
I guess your version of religion might not promote racism. Congrats. Most do. Be honest.
alphaenemy 5 months ago
according to your opening comment, if I disprove one thing one stupid christian says, then that debunks christianity in it's entirety. I don't need to do a study to see that christians are against other cultures, beliefs, societies, and races. My own family is extremely religious and extremely racist, funny how I'm the only one in the family who is a non-believer and not a racist, and I never even connected those dots until now, thanks! oh, and ur a complete brainwashed moron, peace be with u!
Breinstein99 5 months ago
0:20 Whoa there genius! Debunking an argument made by one or more atheists does not mean you are 'debunking atheism in its entirety'. You didn't actually refute the meta-study at all. You just say "Does religion cause racism? No!" You should address it's arguments for causation. 5:44 How can you say the busdriver was racist if he told the the black people to sit in the back of the bus? He still let them on! Treating people as second class citizens (or as dogs) because of their race is racist!
Rissoleking 7 months ago
If we're going to link religiosity and racism, I don't need statistics. The bible was used as an excuse to own slaves back in the 1800's using various passages of Jesus telling slaves to obey their masters, ESPECIALLY if they're cruel, the old testament talking about how to buy, sell, and mark slaves by driving stakes through their ears, how much you're allowed to beat slaves...I feel Slavery's immoral, don't you?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@BigLundi the bible didnt approve slavery, dumbasses just used it as an excuse. and most people were servents. servents are paid in some way for their services, and doesnt it make sense that if u work for someone, u do what they say?
JellayToasT 6 months ago
@JellayToasT Mmm, these servants were paid in housing and food, much like any other slave. They were allowed to be beaten, so long as they didn't immediately DIE from it, and you could drive a stake in their ears to mark them as property. Sorry, but biblical slavery was slavery, and it was endorsed by the bible. Change the word 'slave' to 'servant' and you still have some HORRID working conditions akin to slavery.
BigLundi 6 months ago
@BigLundi look, i dont find slavery right ok, the times back then were different. that doesnt make an excuse for it to be ok. but u have to also understand something, slaves back in the 1700s 1800s werent all beaten, just a very small number. think about it, slaves were valueble property, u would want to make them happy. sure they had some harsh conditions, but they were too expinsive for most people to just set free. as soon as most people had enough, theyd set them free.
JellayToasT 6 months ago
@JellayToasT LOL, seriously? Is your argument, "They weren'T ALL beaten..."
Do you want to make your toaster happy? Do you want to make your car happy? No, you just want them to keep working correctly. Slaves weren';t looked at as people, they were, as you put it, 'property'. Most people were NOT set free, loopholes were always found to keep people for as long as the owner wants, whih would be indefinately, like...giving them a wife and children.
BigLundi 6 months ago
@BigLundi no, most of them werent
JellayToasT 6 months ago
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@JellayToasT ugh, that's pathetic dude. Seriously. The fact that you're saying, "But they weren't all beaten" as a rational excuse for what happened is...insane. It's deplorable, it's actually downright immoral. Do yourself a favor, don't try to justify slavery, any slavery, even biblical slavery. It wasn't right then, it's not right now. It's not. Right. To own. People.
BigLundi 6 months ago
Yo do you have heating in your house? Even space heaters? Gotta be pretty cold to have to wear a sweater, gloves and a hat inside. You look cuule.
easytoremember246 8 months ago
@easytoremember246 Actually, I believe this video was recorded during that time between when it gets cold outside and before the heat kicks in.
5thWatcher 8 months ago
Atheist think there to smart to be under any thing. They think there is no God thats fine when they are young but when they are on the death bed,I think every atheist is wondering WHAT IF.? WHAT IF?
m109r1800 8 months ago
@m109r1800 So? I don't care if every atheist in the world and in history converted on their deathbed...it means nothing towards the truth claims : /.
BigLundi 7 months ago
Correlation doesn't equal causation, but it is statistically significant (that's how Social Statistics works, tough cookies) and there's an obvious direct relationship that is chartable. Many of the studies controlled for class, education, region, gender, and age. I really hope you're joking, but in that case you're sort of wasting everyone's time, don't you think?
KatraKara 8 months ago
@KatraKara There's a relationship, sure, but it's not the cause. That's what I am refuting, that it is not the cause. Maybe I could have been more clear on that?
5thWatcher 8 months ago
Of course you are quite right about correlation not equalling causation but this does not alter probability which is what your opening statement is about. The likelihood of a thing? Also the first second and third rule of satistics [sic] is that it is pronounced sTatistics (my capital). Good luck with the disproving atheism. The thing that confirmed me as an atheist/agnostic was the poverty of theistic arguments so keep up the good work.
ooglebydoogleby 10 months ago
@ooglebydoogleby When I started doing this, a lot of atheist arguments "sounded" right, but when I researched the issues at hand I found many arguments to be unfounded, or at the very least, that the truth was in the gray. That is why I still remain a Christian.
5thWatcher 8 months ago
@5thWatcher Google when the origin of the species was published and when the trans atlantic slave trade finished. You might find the arguments put forward by christians that evolution equals racism can not be true. What was the justification for the slave trade? Eugenics is not evolution and the singling out, identification and persecution of other groups as racially different is in your bible. The difference between modern genocides and older ones is capacity to kill.
ooglebydoogleby 8 months ago
@ooglebydoogleby I don't get what this has to do with anything? I never made any claims about anything like this. Don;t argue with me about points I didn't make.
5thWatcher 8 months ago
I stopped the video at 27 seconds because you already made a ridiculous claim. According to you debunking one argument that is made by one atheist destroys the whole notion of atheism. Firstly if this is true then so is the converse. And as clearly this is a flawed idea your beliefs are proven false by your own statement despite the paradox! Cant wait for the next bit. Tee hee hee!
ooglebydoogleby 10 months ago
@ooglebydoogleby LOL you must be the first person to have fallen for that joke.
5thWatcher 8 months ago
@ooglebydoogleby I'm not I'm asking you to investigate the dogma of creationists and giving you a start.
ooglebydoogleby 8 months ago
I have seen all of your video's and I'm still waiting for you to disprove atheism. When you finally disprove atheism, I will buy you a car.
shnibly12 10 months ago
@shnibly12 Awesome, I think I can probably get you to at least buy me a motorcycle if a motorcycle counts as half a car. Stay tuned.
5thWatcher 8 months ago
@5thWatcher not even at a motorcycle yet
shnibly12 8 months ago
@shnibly12 I said stay tuned.
5thWatcher 8 months ago
@5thWatcher i shall good sir
shnibly12 8 months ago
i don't know about racism... but i do know that a LOT of study shows that religiosity has a link with stupidity.
Th0usandMaster 11 months ago
You said you would disprove the claim "the more religious the more chance there is to be racist". You disproof is basically that correlation is not causation. But where exactly in the initial claim do you see anything talking about causation? It's about chance, probability, capish? Which is a completely true claim by the way. You should obey your first rule of statistics and not talk about them, since you can't even make the difference between cause and probability.
2CSST2 11 months ago
@2CSST2 So yeah you are completely wrong. It IS true that the more religious you are the more likely you are to be racist. You DID do a stupid mistake by saying this talks about causation, since it talks about likeliness. You therefore HAVENT disproven the point and HAVENT "disproven a negative (atheism)" which is non-sensical in itself. Dislike, go study statistics, and goodbye
2CSST2 11 months ago
you are right: correlation is not causation. racism isn´t caused by "beeing religious" and vice versa. If there are 2 correlated factors (like the study you are referring to shows) chances are that there is a common factor, which is causing the 2 factors. i would make the case that the underlaying common factor which causes racism and religion is the unwillingness to understand a reality that is more complex than it can be told in one sentence.
efaelka1 11 months ago 2
@efaelka1
I am glad you agree on the first part, but your proposal for the root cause to the two issues is too vage and abstract. It's far more likely an issue that relates to poverty level or education (or lack there of).
I don't mind admitting that because there are plenty of religious people who are also educated... which, on second thought, means it's probably a specific combination of factors that causes rasism.
5thWatcher 11 months ago
@efaelka1 I'd say it's more of a cultural or regional thing than an intentional rejection of any complex realities.
IHaveNoNameRawr 2 months ago
aah!
you're a poe!!
so hard to spot the difference between idiots and parodies of idiots, but at least in this video you made it obvious from the start.
"I'm going to destroy one of atheisms arguments, making atheism false."
you'll forgive me - I'm just so used to people who actually use this sort of "guilty by association" fallacy, that I thought you were one of them.
gavsmith1980 1 year ago
@gavsmith1980
Next time I'll put a sarcasm meter during the appropriate parts.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher
There's people way more erroneous and come across far more crazy, that are completely serious, venomfangx for example, so it's not even the slightest stretch of the mind to assume, having viewed just one other of your vids first, that it was a serious one.
gavsmith1980 1 year ago
@gavsmith1980 Yeah I know, I'm in good company. :-P
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@gavsmith1980 Apparently I didn't know what "Poe" meant when I wrote that and I am not a "Poe". I do however, frequently delve into sarcasm, which some users have trouble discerning. This video is about half and half. A lot of times there's layers of comedy and 'sarcasm as the 'bread' on each side of the serious 'meat' int he 5thWatcher 'sandwich'.
5thWatcher 8 months ago
@5thWatcher
aah...
well as you now know having looked up poes law, it's very hard to spot the difference between idiots, and paridies of idiots, since the two aren't that different.
people are so used to seeing elswhere, what you mean as sarcasm, used as serious arguments.
given which, it's hardly suprising that people don't recognize the satire in your vids, there's no discernible difference between them and other peoples videos posted in all seriousness.
gavsmith1980 8 months ago
@gavsmith1980 Well in this vid the serious stuff boils down to correlation does not equal causation.
The rest is all for the laughs.
5thWatcher 8 months ago
@emptyquarter1 lol
5thWatcher 1 year ago
if you dont beleive god exists, is that the same as beleiving that god doesnt exist? If so, then you could disprove atheism. In saying this, i am an athiest, so dont try and disprove it, just beleive in what you want, you have no right or responsibilty to convert others. in my honest opinion of course.
binakVersailles 1 year ago
Man, you really are clueless. NO ONE can "debunk" Atheism. Atheism is the REJECTION of all religions. There is nothing to debunk. Atheists are intelligent enough to understand that ALL religions are just mythology. Nothing more.
The fact that you cannot tell the difference between beliefs and facts goes along way into showing how truly ignorant you really are.
baphxiii 1 year ago 2
@baphxiii hate to break it to you but the title isn't litteral, it just there to get people like you all riled up.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@iwsos Is this satirical? Well as an atheist, dare I say, thank God! Actually, I sorta feel embarrassed that I didn't pick up on it on first viewing but now, having watched it again, I can see that it clearly is. Thanks for the heads-up iwsos.
MrMonkeyInk 1 year ago
How exactly does proving a study is wrong help to prove that god exists?
After all that is what you have to do to prove atheism is wrong. You have to prove god exists.
You're way of the track here.
dimbulb23 1 year ago
@dimbulb23 its video series. some vids deal with god, others deal with other related issues.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
To all the people saying you can't disprove atheism: please. You can't prove/disprove anything with 100% certainty because there is always a chance you're wrong due to faulty evidence or logic. But to say you can't disprove atheism because it's a lack of a belief is like saying you can't disprove creationism because it's a "lack of belief in evolution." Such things are dualistic, the lack of belief in one thing means the belief in its alternative, and yes, sorry, atheism is still a belief.
ikkuj 1 year ago
Assuming it was undisputed fact that religion leads directly to perfect morally and the total absence of racism, that would prove that religion was useful.
But doesn't do squat to prove it's TRUE.
Unfortunately though religion has proven not to be nearly that useful.
dimbulb23 1 year ago
I love it when the video title informs me as to whether I should watch it.
The answer is no.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
@RPFS2008 I recommend you stay atheist lol ;)
eddiedenied 1 year ago
talk about correlation, your all over the board man you didn't disprove Athesim you can't its an absence of belief you can't prove something wrong that isn't their, you proved to me your not the sharpest tool in the shed :)
simy33simy33 1 year ago
I guess that I'm a theist now. Any recommendations?
RPFS2008 1 year ago
I can't believe there are so many ignorant bastards on here that ignore whatever their opposition says, whatever happened to being open minded? All in all, not one hole can be shot in this guys argument, all I see is a bunch of ignorant jackasses arguing over a misleading title that is PURPOSELY, completely satirical
twelvemonkeys12 1 year ago
an 11 minute video that ultimately says... nothing at all.
Timmy923 1 year ago
What do you mean by disproving atheism? You can't disprove a lack of a particular belief. It would be like saying "I have disproved the non-belief in the Easter Bunny".
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
I like to think that believing in a god isnt the major thing that mankind should be focusing on. I think that if you look at it from a logical standpoint, the things that god says is wisdom. And some things i read from the bible is disapprove of. You dont have to believe in god in order to walk the path that god wants you to take. be a good person towards others, and share a positive impact on others, and grow the urge to smarten your mind.
luuk 1 year ago
"What verse in the Bible says you should probably be racist because of this?"
Exodus 20:17
~Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.
Leviticus 25:44~45
~As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property.
VV
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
VV
Leviticus 25:46
~You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Perhaps this is not racism per se, But it is definitely a xenophobic double standard. 'Love thy neighbour, Screw everyone else.'
To demand blind faith, then preach that non-believers are Foolish, corrupt, vile, and can do no good, Is amoral. Brainwashing basically.
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
Your correct. Correlation does NOT mean causation. HOWEVER, nowhere in your video did you present anything that disproves atheism, which I presume was supposed to be the whole point of your argument?
yikiri7001 1 year ago
u cant disprove atheism cause its ABSENCE of belief in something (god). There's nothing to disprove. What CAN be refuted is the CLAIM of something, such as god.
handom85 1 year ago 15
@handom85 I'm an atheism myself, but any evidence that there is a god would be a disproof of atheism. Any stance COULD be hypothetically disproven if it takes any assertive stance.
IHaveNoNameRawr 2 months ago
@IHaveNoNameRawr would be disproving of atheism* fucking sleepy grammar.
IHaveNoNameRawr 2 months ago
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I don't need cause for the findings to be significant. The overwhelming tendency of a correlation between religiosity and a societal ill is profound in itself; plenty to avoid it altogether and be part of the solution to racism etc rather than putting something that can't even be proven (god) above, for example, my kids/family, good for the sake of good, pple, society, nature, etc. & likely have the distorted sense of morality that would allow me to justify the many immoralities of christianity
handom85 1 year ago
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handom85 1 year ago
You really look and act gay so why don't you just jump out of the closet
I mean since your religion is so tolerant the blind followers would "probably"
accept you.
jipersson 1 year ago
I was really wishing that your arguments would be worth watching... unfortunately this was not the case. You use a technique from debate known as the “distraction technique” where you act like a fool most of the time and only actually debate the topic 15% of the time. You could also say that you use a lot of “fillers.” Talking about Sarah Palin and singing your song shows that you are trying to distract the audience from your lack of proof and "statistics" (a word wrongly used in your title).
freethought1990 1 year ago 23
@freethought1990 Oh geez. This is just a silly response that fails to say anything of substance. The filler is for entertainment value. In older videos I didn't do it and I find them outlandishly boring. You should easily be able to pull out the arguments. If ou got a problem with my title then you've got a problem with the article I argue against.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher If you in fact do believe that you make valid arguments that can stand to be presented without all the diversions, perhaps you should sum these up in the description.
Also, the fact that correlation does not necessarily imply causality does not make the correlation insignificant.
You give your views on the causality, which seems to be based more on imagination than on evidence, and the researchers give theirs, which is much more justified than how you present it.
Fuglebolle 1 year ago
@5thWatcher You are right, correlation does not equal causation. The key point of this aphorism is to make explicate that when coming across a correlation you should not automatically assume a causal relationship. It is not prohibitive, as you imply. Two things may correlate due to a causal relationship. A good argument could be made for this being the case with racism and religion.
The study did not say Jesus was a racist. In its context his message was radically cosmopolitan.
MrMonkeyInk 1 year ago
@freethought1990 youve got a point and all but its not like its that hard to tell when he is making his arguments; hes not making big long distractions. He's just trying to make his videos entertaining (sarah palin jokes are usually pretty funny). Whether he is or not is a different subject entirley.
shredheadted 8 months ago
@freethought1990
Yes, he is mildly amusing in the first couple of vids, but he goes off message, tries to be "scientific" but just ends up spouting the usual weak arguments of all religions.
Theists have just running out of arguments, all they can do is wrap it differently, and motor-mouth here just runs out of wrapping after a while.
Wordavee1 8 months ago
Religion causes racism, because it CAN be used to legitimate whatever they want. And because there are verses in the bible, which can legitimate slavery and racism, they can be used and are used to legitimate slavery and racism.
A verse in the bible, that contradicts another verse isn't a proof, that racism is higher in religious minds. It only is a proof, that both can be legitimated, although in rational minds racism should be totally rejected. But religion disturbs a normal moral compromise.
mardastheEitheist 1 year ago
clearly you are both on drugs...and crazy..... go pray to your god and seek rehab
smackdye 1 year ago
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you know. I don't care about god existence. fuck him anyway. greedy hypocrite liar who extremely cares for his apples and hates his children because they were born with high IQ or just with different sexual orientation. one who gives people unfair tests and sands them to hell if they fail only one thing in it. epicure proved that if god is real, he IS MALEVOLENT SELFISH IDIOT. he is father who is ashamed of himself because his children are better. ISN'T HE AN ASSHOLE?
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
my father doesn't want me to be better than he is? well, it makes him a big asshole with big dark red hemorrhoids in it and with horrible shitty smell coming out of his giant, "morally deep" crappy abyss. DESTROY ASSLICKER!!! (I mean christians!) hail satan! I don't want to live in heaven with bunch of SCHMUCK DICKSUCKERS! do you?
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
In the bible, do you beleive every word of it, new and old testement? specificly, the very start, GOD creates adam and eve? two, two humans, a grown man, and a grown woman, not children, adults, with the minds of children, or did God fill their minds with all the knowlege a human wud pick up from baby to adult? Humans, SUM DISITINCT resemblcses to apes, and extinct earlier up right walking apes, why are they extinct? why becaue they are us, thats why, we killed all the others we're smarter!
TheeBaker 1 year ago
GOD, WHO IS HE? to sum up:
An invisible man who sits invisible to see if you're good or not? you will get rewards for good behaivour, and punishment for bad!!!! He has a beard!!!!... All he needs now is a red uniform!!!!!
does he sound like any one familar from when you were a kid, santa is the one for kids, GOD is the one for adults!
TheeBaker 1 year ago
@TheeBaker it seems your suffering from santa syndrome, i suggest you consult a doctor
joggylol 1 year ago
@joggylol lmao it appears you are suffering from blindness...
If you are trying to to say i bleieve in god, you are terribly mistaken, its not that i dont beleive in god, there isnt one to believe in!
next time i suggest to you read the comments you are trying to be funny at/with...
TheeBaker 1 year ago
@TheeBaker I suggest you still consult a doctor, just incase you might have schizophrenia
joggylol 1 year ago
@joggylol and why wud i have schizophrenia?
you shud be a dr, if you can diagnose mental illnessesssess, from one set of posts, that you wrongly read, then comment on your wrongness, cos that's fucking amazing!
TheeBaker 1 year ago
@TheeBaker I am the hand of god, I can tell who has disease and I can cure it with my magical finger
joggylol 1 year ago
@joggylol well isnt that a turn up for the books, I am also the hand of god, I am the right hand, so i guess that makes you the left hand, the feeble, that god used to make, i dunno let's say moths!
TheeBaker 1 year ago
@TheeBaker BOOGITY BOOGITY BOO
joggylol 1 year ago
@joggylol I suggest you get sum glasses!
my dr said we're both fine!
TheeBaker 1 year ago
1+2: What was god doing, and for how long was he doing it, in the utter-timless-nothing he created our universe from?
3: How the hell did God create everything that is, from the utter-timeless-nothing?
4: why did god make all mammals the same design, with all the same internal organs, the same amount of limbs, to repoduce in the exact same way, when humans are supposed to be gods special ones?
5: Why didnt God just make our 1 solar system, why a possibly infinite universe, impossible to travel?
TheeBaker 1 year ago
6: What are our 'Guardian Angels' for, they dont save us from danger, rape, kidnap, mugging, or missing the bus, the train, last orders?
7: If God has a plan for all of us, it's not really free will then is it, or is it? and if it is why does he have some of his beloved children, aborted, murdered, abused etc
8:If it's true that god wanted the tree of knowledge left alone and none of it's fruit eatten, why did god sit ilde as the devil tricked eve? a fence, cctv maybe, couple of angel guards?
TheeBaker 1 year ago
8b: In the bible, that was adam and eves first transcrestion, why in the fuck is every human born blessed with original sin, that must be washed away by holy water? if god told me not to eat from that tree, i wudnt, i dont care who or what who says! god punished women more, by making pregnacy horrible, and child birth painful.
9: how did god forget to cut the foreskin off his new toys before playing with them?
10: How can a preist abuse children, when he is supposed to be gods messanger?
TheeBaker 1 year ago
its pretty obvious to anyone with a bit of common sense, that religion does not cause racism. if you took a completely non-racist person and taught them religion, they would not become racist.
pyrolite2 1 year ago
Disproving atheism? Haven't even watched the video and can tell you haven't read the bible and it's content of bollocks.
Sploggez 1 year ago
ya ur right maybe racist people are just religious. I'm sorry but there are a lot of comments on youtube by people who follow god screaming how islam is the religion of the devil. It makes sense why a religious person might be more likely to be racist. Typically religious people are less educated and more norrow-minded.
nameofmeAJ 1 year ago
"Disproving Atheism" What kind of series is that??
The only statistic you tried to debunk was racism? There's a lot more out there than that..
MrDriversEd 1 year ago
@MrDriversEd I can only imagine you didn't finish the video.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher Or that he didn't realise that you were only covering a few things like immorality, not something else which he was thinking of at the time of the posting.
meteosurreal 1 year ago
You so realise those studies, well the second one anyway, are just designed to justify Americans invasion of the Middle East right?
mattc1986tube 1 year ago
Many measures of both religion and racism increase with age which may help to explain their correlation. Many measures of both religion and racism decrease with education which may also explain their correlation. When I was a child in the South the public school teacher told us that the KKK played many funny tricks on blacks. The church said "red, and yellow, black and white they are precious in his sight." The church was the least racist institution I dealt with.
richleebruce 1 year ago
Uncool people are like a animals
vfeesz 1 year ago
Silly Cristian. God is for kids! Chosen shmosen. This argument is boring, but you are not. I thought the Sarah Palin bit was funny. Also, I do not think that religious people are racist so much as racist people tend to be religious.
Your loving atheist brother Ben.
ZenCross1 1 year ago
@ZenCross1
You're a moron.
StaleMilk5 1 year ago
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ZenCross1 1 year ago
this video was dumb but thanks for the link. the article was a nice read.
benirwin420 1 year ago
You do realize scientific research has already proven that most of The Bible is not only contradictory, but the majority of events that "happened" could not have happened? Take the parting of the Red Sea. A river 125 miles regularly floods every year & according to the area layout & research, around the time the "great flood" happened, that river rose about 22 feet higher than normal. ANY science can destroy The Bible from cover to cover. THAT is fact.
WCWnWoTV 1 year ago
Wow. You could have summed up that 11:00 video into about 10 seconds = correlation doesn't mean causation.
Just because this is argument is true, however, doesn't mean that religion automatically doesn't make a person racist. Just sayin'. As you indicated, there are a lot of environmental factors involved. One environmental factor is religion.
Nickcloudy 1 year ago
Racism in the bible?
Deuteronomy 27:2-3 (about the Canaanites):
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
As well as Deut. 10:15, Deut. 23:3, Gen. 9:25, Ezra 9:1-2...
Do you know your own bible?
agnat86 1 year ago
Debunk one argument and you debunk them all?
Midnightblue32 1 year ago
@Midnightblue32 Yup.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher Dude you make some awesome videos lol
Midnightblue32 1 year ago
@5thWatcher Are you an idiot? Your logic also means that God doesn't exist because ID is debunked. I suggest you stop being so close minded and actually place open minded logic to your "claims". There's no evidence for a creator and there never will be evidence for this because religion is a BELIEF, It does not rely on any evidence. I can not be used to explain anything, We got science for that. If you got some attitude problem with modern science then that's just sad.
mikkemokke 1 year ago
@mikkemokke No I am not an idoit, however, you might be. In you last sentence you seem to suggest that statistics is synonymous with science. Yeeeeeah. About that. I have no problem with science, but you do, since you've demonstrated here today you actually don't know what it is.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher Yeah, because science doesn't use statistics. Don't insult your intellectual superiors, foolish mortal....MUAHAHAHAH!
trueleroix 1 year ago
@5thWatcher What are you, An angry desperate little child? I'm only hostile to your arguement "Debunk one arguement, you disprove atheism" Nothing works on statistics and everyone should know that already.
mikkemokke 1 year ago 2
@mikkemokke You are unfamiliar in the ways of sarcasm.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher Good thing I"m not.
meteosurreal 1 year ago
@5thWatcher Good thing I'm not.
meteosurreal 1 year ago
@5thWatcher Yeah! Because he just was sarcastic. If something is preached from a text then it has an impact on how people become. If in the case of the bible racism i one of the negatives i don´t know at the moment but gonna research.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 year ago
I don't see how in anyway this "debunked" Atheism.
And all you did in this video is put your own personal opinions against statistical data.
However, you should know that Hitler was motivated to exterminate the Jews because he believed that it was God's will.
highvoltage47 1 year ago
@highvoltage47 It's not just my opinion, it's an explanation of the significance of the study. I simply explained "correlation" as it pertains to statistics. The significance, as explained, is very small. (Look it up, if you wish.)
Also, there isn't any evidence Hitler had any personal belief that what he was doing was God's will, only that he used God as a persuasion tactic to forward his agenda. If that's how you roll, then what of Stalin, who killed millions who refused to become atheist?
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher ok I'm not going to argue against that, but statistics are statistics. you dont deny the statistics. No one has explicitly stated that religious people are more rascist than non-religious people, but the statistics support such a claim. Your only defensive arguement is that these statistics show only a "correlation" making the claim not necessarily true. And such an arguement doesn't really lead you anywhere.
highvoltage47 1 year ago
@5thWatcher 1st of all it HAS been proven that hitler was a catholic 2nd stalin killed people who could stage a coup or rise up against him... not just the religious but also his assistants, commanders, and many militant officers in his own army... he was a paranoid bastard
joshmonster94 1 year ago
@highvoltage47 Lol you forgot he was also motivated by evolution... He tried to prove that jews were inferior using it, funny huh? I believe in evolution, but I find it funny that atheists try but fail to make my religion look bad.
NintendoDSVampire 1 year ago
Stupider isn't a word. The bible was used to justify the slave trade. Us vs. Them is prevalent in racism and religion does provide that.......also the bible is sexist. If your wife cheats on you, you can kill her. I also love all your 5th grade grammar.
lifeissamystery 1 year ago
I'll show you Alec Baldwin!
"Love God and love you neighbor(neighbor being everyone else)"Are the most important(equally)rules according to Jesus.He said it sums up all laws,so...If one was to follow these laws,how could they be racist or immoral?How could someone commit crimes toward your neighbor while loving both God and said neighbor?
Shizzam!
SuperMalario7 1 year ago
this isnt disproving anything
you cant disprove atheism but you should trying to prove your religion
licensedhobo 1 year ago
What you have said has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. That is all. You have taken a good argument against some bad studies and some bad statics. So you make a good argument against the wrong people.
customerjon 1 year ago 2
so you're saying that god justified the mass murdering tendencies of the roman catholic church during the medieval period? what sort of all powerful being who apparently created us all would allow those who are his representatives on earth to slaughter each other in order to further their own power and political agendas? all you religious zealot hippies are the same. its called darwinism! douches
thegianttowel 1 year ago
so you're saying that god justified the mass murdering tendencies of the roman catholic church during the medieval period? what sort of all powerful being who apparently created us all would allow those who are his representatives on earth to slaughter each other in order to further their own power and political agendas? all you religious zealot hippies are the same. its called darwinism! douches
thegianttowel 1 year ago
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777TIZZable 1 year ago
motivated almost only, if not only, by religion. I have heard no reason for the discrimination against homosexuals that is not religiously-motivated. But maybe you can give me an example. I would love to be proven wrong.
bookwormsrcool 1 year ago
Even if religion does not specifically "cause" racism, it is far from innocent. In the name of religion, people commit atrocities. An illustrative example of this is 9/11. Also, even if not divisive in terms of race, religion is undeniably divisive in terms of sexual orientation. There are several passages in the Bible that specifically condemn homosexuality. And, again, people commit atrocities and practice irrational prejudice with this information. The prejudice against gays today is
bookwormsrcool 1 year ago
well of course the link is a bias website, so they WILL paint the study in their favor.
just as some christians claim that atheists are to blame for the worlds problems.
there are however studies that do show a correlation between religiosity and higher crime statistics.
and just a few facts
1 racism was greatest in the bible belt during the civil rights movement.
2 the KKK are a racist christian orginization.
3 christians have the highest divorce rate of any group in america.
PsychoSymantic 1 year ago
What I'm saying here, 5th, is that what you've believed, and continue to believe, is not rational. It is a belief that was planted in you as a child, and is not something based on 21st, or even 20th, century 'reason'.
Some are raised to believe that there are no gods. Some are raised to believe that there is, or are, god/s. I'm in neither category. You're in the latter.
If I don't sound respectful, it's because I'm not. I can't be. I respect you. I just do not respect your belief.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@Skindoggiedog You got me all wrong though I don't feel like typing out my life story right now. I feel like we may have had this conversation before though, I and I think you went away satisfied. Would have been well over a year ago though.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher - Your life story? Could there be any other interpretation of that, aside from 'Personal anecdote(s) unsupported by demonstrable evidence'?
All the bullshit people talk about religious beliefs ... it doesn't matter. What matters is truth. If you cannot show the truth of what you believe ... then what's it worth? It's a guess. A wish. A hope. A dream. Nothing more.
Do you hold truth? I don't think you do. You're bluffing, and it shows. If you did, why wouldn't you share it?
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
atheism is stuid! get a life you godless moron!
TruthfulChristian 1 year ago
@TruthfulChristian stuid?... Well done, Good job! Perhaps you should get a life? Doing things on your OWN for example. Instead of following some lame book.
Swimshroom 1 year ago
I reccomend books by Rodney Stark. Hes a sociologist, he started his work as an atheist, I believe hes a Christian now, but his honest research comes out in support of religion.
God Bless You,
kenny
KennyVaughan 1 year ago
I think the thing that galls me is that god is fine with slavery. It's moral according to the bible. The 13th goes against something that god is fine with. Is that immoral? Don't forget we aren't talking about the little stuff, this is slavery.
yarabokin 1 year ago
Isn't that the whole point of Christianity? Using the bible as your main moral compass? Christians have been given a list of what is and isn't moral by their god. According to the bible shouldn't the Thirteenth Amendment be immoral? Is it?
yarabokin 1 year ago
@yarabokin Even if we are to say the Bible is the standard for morality, that doesn't mean that everything else ever is completely outside of that morality. Why would the 13th Amendment be immoral? There is nothing in the Bible requiring anyone to keep servants. Even so, not everything in the Bible is meant as moral instruction.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher - Not requiring anyone to keep servants, but instructing on the severity of the punishment that may be inflicted upon them - it is fine to beat your slave, as he is your property, as long as the beating does not kill the slave within a day or two? Oh, it's bad if the slave loses an eye, but brain-damage, other organ damage is fine.
Another verse:
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey .. his father ... then all the men of the city shall stone him to death"
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@5thWatcher - The bible .. the standard for morality? This god dictates just how close to death you are allowed to beat your slaves. This god accepts and commands human sacrifice. This god instructs infanticide, genocide.
You believe because you were instructed that it was true by people whom you trusted to inform you about the world before you were able to weigh up the evidence yourself.
There is no evidence to support your belief. The unfalsifiability of your claim is your only escape.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
"Since the author of the study gets to decide what's moral the entire survey is retarded". Hmmm, isn't that the Bible?
yarabokin 1 year ago
@yarabokin Yeah but you don't see me using the bible to look at other sources and say that those things aren't moral.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@IrishDudeNamedShamus It sucks and all, but slavery was not racially motivated in that time and place. It was a way to pay off debts, and was closer to servitude. No one raced was forced into it.
5thWatcher 1 year ago