If more people could figure out why the current people running for government are all puppets and Romney is practicably the second coming of George Bush JR and our government is being ran by Zionist who are currently controlling our government via the media and the Banking cartel. The only man who has stood firm in his convictions is Ron Paul. I can almost guaranty you that if Romney is elect we will be headed to WW3 unless Russia decides to stay side lines and china. Every Empire falls!
They said women will only get 10% Maximum representation in a new new Libyan regime.
The Libyan leadership has al quaeda supporters in it.
Libyan militias have not disarmed, and there is still fighting going on.
Worst of all, they are NOW torturing thousands of detainees AND NATO leaders are so ashamed, they are trying to ignore how they let rebel savages take control.
As for Canadian Conservatives - Canada's answer to warmongering neocons- had its leaders Stephen Harper, Peter Mackay, Christopher Alexander's lie about spreading 'democracy'. in Libya. In fact they are admitting they used Canada's military in a deplorable way - to enforce 'Regime Change' in a private civil war - the intervention was for the sake of NATO leaders gluttony for cheaper oil.
The rebels have committed war crimes and ethnic cleansing - is that democracy ?
This clip talks about crap saying Canadian values were being spread and Libyan civilians not being targeted;
The Canadian Conservative govt. coached the media to put out this BS idea.
NATO leaders gave their pilots directives to attack Libyan areas that had civilians in the area. Civilians WERE killed by NATO air strikes. NATO is covering up these facts.
Look at clips on youtube under search for
'NATO kills Libyan civilians' and 'Libyans killed by NATO'
It is NATO leaders propaganda BS crap. The Canadian Conservative Harper government put the Canadian military in a role like the Neocons BS war in Iraq
This war was fought for OIL ONLY.
The UN mandate was ONLY to protect civilians - READ IT. Instead, the NATO leaders acted as OFFENSIVE air support for Rebel offensives in a civil war against NATO's former regional ALLY, Gaddafi. Gaddafi was helping NATO / UK keeping Islamist extremists out of the area.
A bit of an improvement from the way Canadian Airborne conducted themselves in Somalia back in 1993, whilst supposedly on a ‘humanitarian’ mission, when the regiment had to be totally disbanded for crimes against humanity.
@NigNogPoIice Canadians, at least those of us old enough to remember 1993, are well aware of the "Somalia Affair" also known as "Canada's national shame". The guilty have been imprisoned. Any reason to rub the Canadian nose in that very old dog turd?
@NigNogPoIice They are not called "indians". They are Canada's First Nations people. What holocaust? Are you talking about the awful practice of residential schools? For the most part the First Nations were allied with early settlers. They have fought for Canada in WWI and WWII. They are not dead they are our past and our future.
@NigNogPoIice Smart ass... you did not address anything I said. I know several First Nations people and they wouldn't be impressed with your attitude. Now point out what part of Canadian history you are referring to or shut it.
@MsColdCanada Just ignore @NigNogPolice he is just spewing out things he learns from comments he reads on youtube about how everything is a lie etc. etc. Seems like thats what alot of people on here do..
Canadian PM took the right path against warcrime murder of a Somali kid committed by the members of that regiment. Canadian media called it a 'torture death' - too gutless to call it a savage murder.
But this current Canadian PM Stephen Harper and his party stooges are Elitist panderers, they remind me of the Neocons- spewing out vain-glorious BS about themselves that only they are stupid enough to believe.
The gutless media never learned from Iraq; seeking Truth
ALL the BULLSHIT Spewed Out to Canadians by a BILDERBERGER FLUNKY Peter Mansbridge. That Fucker needs to be in PRISON along with the REST of the CONtemptible CON CULT.
IGNORE the delUsHiousbrownie I think he's One of HARPO's TURDS that ESCAPED the SEWER. CONservatives are all like Karl Rove"TURD BLOSSOMS" that can only ATTRACK Shithouse FLIES.
BERNARD-HENRI LÉVY, 62, a Zionist French philosopher is the man behind the French and American War on Libya, and he admits doing so freely and at leisure.
It was Mr. Lévy, by his own still undisputed account, who brought top members of the Libyan opposition — the Interim Transitional National Council — from Benghazi to Paris to meet President Nicolas Sarkozy on March 10, who suggested the unprecedented French recognition of the council as the legitimate government of Libya
The military defending morals and doing whats right? Rare, but awesome. These guys show us we can still have some pride being from the West. Good on them.
If this is true, about the Canadian pilots, then I applaud them for following their own intelligence & not following the assignment that they deemed wrong/inhumane.
As a Canadian, when I heard that not only were Canadians going to be involved in this NATO action against Libya but that it was a Canadian who accepted the Command of it when no-one else would do it . . . I just felt sick.
I can only hope that he has come to realise that taking Command & the whole NATO action is wrong.
Although Jews do not proselytize, If I want to become Jewish I can go to one of many "gogs" and speak to a rabbi about conversion. There is definately a process for those that want to become Jewish. Division and Elitism are related but are not exactly the same.Using the term "race" re. chosen race suggests biological conitations.I believe the wording is "chosen people". When the Turks give back Constantinpole to Greece, you can expect Israel to give lands to the Arabs...not going to happen
@TheBlindmind99 GO TO HELL YOUR MOM IS A CHAMPION SUCKING DICKS IN HELL. I HOPE MORE IRENES GET YOUR SHIT DEVIL COUNTRY YOU AND YOUR FUCKEN EUROPEANS AND JEWS COUNTRIES.
search for "spanish nato fighter pilots" in google to see how they were urged in the war against yugoslavia to intentionally attack civilian targets - in opposite to official claims,
....we are trying to bring you home peace keepers,
~keep the spirit, law & peace;
=those whom should have prevented this miscarriage of justice shall be held in account dear trained killers, you hired on to defend kanada and keep the peace; very sorry for how you have been illegally deployed; peace be in with you all !
@skatecubed ...know it is kanada, the "meeting place";
~this NATO hessionization of our beloved Peace Keepers using our my tax dollars was the last straw
=I can not be part of the corporate entity we were programmed to love unconditionally as children and not look upon with constructively critical eyes, the entity commonly described in legal terms as CANADA !
-but thanks kindly for the well meant conformity reminder friend !
@docatomics I have to assume you are a little kid, or terribly illiterate, Canada, is the countries name, Kanata, is a word the Iroquois language, meaning village, settlement or land, sometimes erroneously, "meeting place", CANADA is the countries name, Kanata (I assume your illiterate self is referring too) is not the countries name. The military is not a corporate "entity", it is an organization, manned by people who love this country, who serve to protect this country, and it's interests.
~perhaps it is better that 1 should remain ignorant of reality in law & practice until the end effect is no longer ignorance in some rare circumstance ?
=may such apparent episode of cognitive dissonance serve your pre-programmed disillusion well enough; until reality should demands you change convenient beliefs that you come to learn the difference between serving life and neighbor from serving the selfish plague infest this land & people
@docatomics ...And the slaughter of the English language continues, maybe if you could communicate in a cognitive manner, I could understand just exactly what you are trying to spew..er..um, say. I am not suffering from any kind of brainwashing as to what governments can do, and how hey can abuse their power, but I am not an "out there whack job:" either, unlike someone who is commenting in this thread. Learn to spell, and the rules of grammar, and someone might take you seriously.
@sbugiardo More like save houndreds of thousands from being tortured to death, like saddam had done and was doing at the point in which he was in power. The U.S is still paying for gas, believe me if the U.S was taking oil for nothing from Iraq, the price of gas wouldnt have rissen like it has in the past few years. And by the way when saddam set the oil wells on fire, was that not polluting the earth? Also not one test has ever proven that depleated uranium rounds cause birth defects.
If this was americans in the plane the bomb would,ev been dropped regardless of who was on the ground, Because the whole World knows american soldiers are the most evil psychotic murdering bastards on the planet.
It's funny your so anti america that no matter what the U.S does it will never be good enough. Were helping the Libyan people out by helping then take out there asshole DICKtator while other middle eastern countries want us to help. But in your eyes were nothing but a bunch of assholes who only want whats good for ourselves. Yet when in need middle eastern countries call on us, no matter how much humanitarian aid we give, it will never be enough for you anti-amercan douch bags,
@SSshane6d9 so should we say: "Please U卐A, come and bomb our country! Share with us your depleted uranium, for we want to have deforemed children and die of cancer! Flood our media with your fake propaganda! Treat ourselves as Iraqi deteness, beat us also to death! Oh please take our land resources with which we feed our children, so that you can pollute the planet some more and invest in deadly technologies some more! Oh please be our saviours!"
@SSshane6d9;The only reason the americans are sticking there pig noses into Lybia,s affairs is because Lybia is an oil rich Country, You claim you had to interfere because innocent civilians were being killed yet you stood by & watched the zionist bastards from israhell murdering innocent civilians in Gaza,You say you want to help because innocent civilians are being killed yet your own military slaughtered over a million innocent Iraqi,s & not a word was said,You just made excuses & lied..
For one thing, millions of innocent iraqi's did not die by the hands of the U.S, they died by the hand of suddam and his sons. I saw the torture chambers for myself, AGAIN WERE YOU EVER THERE TO SEE THOSE TORTURE CHAMBERS??? NO, and have you ever asked a non biased iraqi what they thought about having Suddam back or the U.S there NO. Now in your typical ways you'll say im a lier, but remember, middle eastern countries asked for our help in the end. YOUR JUST SIMPLY ANTI-AMERICAN
@SSshane6d9 Nevermind iraq and gaza.. There are dozens of examples of attrocities worse than lybia IN JUST THE LAST DECADE, from darfor to turkey to eat timor. Many times worse than iraq and lybia combined.. but.. but.. those places don't have oil.. You will not accept this cause being american is the only thing you have to be proud of. Go watch more sports.
What are you talking about, bush hasnt been in the presidential seat for what 3 years now????? So your whole comment doesnt even make sence to even the most stupid of peope let alone anybody that is informed about the subject. I think you need to become a little bit more informed before you make another comment
@SSshane6d9;No ive never been to Iraq but ive heard plenty of soldiers from the u.s saying they were ordered to murder innocent Iraqi,s,There called hero,s until they dare to tell the truth,Then there called unpatreotic & traitors,If any other Country on the planet invented a pack of lies & sent a bunch of psychopaths to invade an oil rich Country to murder over a million innocent people & steal there resorces the u.s would be the first to condem them & demand they be brought to justice.
Hey smallyballs, You get a fucking job yet? You lazy green nigger. Did you find fucking work? Or have you pissed another 6 months of your miserable pointless life away yapping at the fucking americans on youtube?
You are fucking pathetic. Our mother works the brothels all day getting her anus and snootch pounded by sloppy drunk brits. And as opposed to helping out in the flat, you lock yourself in your room and cry on youtube all day.
@smallyb2009 Israelis would not kill Palestinians if they were not getting random rocket attacks or have been attacked by almost every Muslim country in the region. If you want to talk about hypocrasy where are the Muslim armies helping their brothers to create stability in Syria, Libya, Yeman? Where were the Muslims when Serbs were attacking Bosnia? Hypocrates! Where were they to protect Darfur and Chad from the Libyans and Sudanese? Look at yourselves in the mirror- I am proud of my country
@good2goskee Well considering the only proof Israel has that those lands are its own are a collection of really old books called the Old Testament and the fact that they had previously not inhabited that land for hundreds of years after their initial leaving.
Also the borders Israel was granted in 1967 are not the borders Israel currently is using as they have militarily expanded and claimed land that was never given to them by the UN.
@MrDubDisciple actually besides those "old books"..... there are countless artifacts, architecture, and accounts from other cultures that Jews were in those lands. There is far more tangible evidence vs. what natives claim (oral history lol) which create their claims in Canada and the USA. As far as the UN...perhaps there is an argument; however, perhaps those lands can be considered conquered lands similar to lands conquered in the USA (from Mexico), or Turks took from Greece.
@MrDubDisciple there yo go! ... and Contantinople should go back to the Greeks, Central Asians should take claim to N&South.America, the Chinese should give back Turkostan and the Brits should give back to the Galics and Normans. So, perhaps when the Mexicans can outgunn the Texans we'll see
@good2goskee If you make any headway with that cause let the world know. I won't hold my breath. Israel can maintain to borders it was granted by the UN or suffer the consequences of occupying land that does not belong to you.
@MrDubDisciple I'm being sarcastic to underline the reality. The Chinese will not give back Turkostan, USA will not become a collection of indian states, and Israel may modify its border, but it is NOT giving up significant territory unless a nation takes it from them
@good2goskee Then Israel should come to grips with the fact that it has a displaced people on the edges of its borders in the middle of the Middle East where weapons can be found at the local supermarket and usually cheaper then the food.
@MrDubDisciple they have been doing it for 60 years....the Brits and Irish did for 100s.....as long as EU and USA support Israel.....it is what it is. Nobody seemed to care about Israeli Jews during their many disporia...who compensated them? Where was justice then?
Generally when you deem yourself the "holy race", do not support anyone entering into the religion except by birth you don't really set too much of a needy precedent. The does not mean however because the Jews were harmed so many times they should be the bullied who becomes a bully.
@good2goskee Why can't the core reason be that simple? Do problems have to be multi-faceted or complicated merely because they involve a lot of people? Elitism does not lend itself well to relations with other people.
@MrDubDisciple You used the adjective "holy" which is a religious qualifier. Religion is not an elitous category. All social classes can participate; therefore, it cannot be elite.. Elitism excludes based upon social class: economics/wealth, education, family history.
@good2goskee Israelites do not support conversion into the Jewish faith, they deem themselves the chosen race. That to me promotes division and separate identity.
@good2goskee When Israel is a holy state, when citizenship is automatic for any Jew, when it is founded as a Jewish state, religion most definitely becomes part of any issue regarding it's existence. Zionist Jews see themselves as God's chosen people, over and above any other faith and race, as such, they are a higher social class if not solely because of their Jewishness, so yeah, class does come into it, and "holy" as a qualifier as it pertains to Jews (Zionists) does incite elitism.
@good2goskee What about the totem poles or Indian spearheads and hyroglifics. The natives don't want their own country anyways and your Canadian so stay out of middle east politics I don't see them getting interested in the melting northern ice cap.
@TheDeliciousbrownie ""don't want their own country anyways"" are you crazy? The AFN was absurdly lobbying the UN for full nation status (LOL) The ridiculous language of ""First Nations" proliferates and was started in 1964 by an anglo author....and coined by lawyers getting rich off the native court process. The fact is the UN is involved in 'our' politics and that is why MANY MANY consessions and benefits have been given to natives...including a quasi government status
@TheDeliciousbrownie I am Canadian too, and as far as your "stay out of middle east politics" get over yourself, politics inthe middle east do give as as many concerns as your country, if anyone starts lobbing ICBM's your way, guess where they get intercepted/overfly, yeah, CANADA!, so STFU, and realize the USA is not the only country affected by the US meddling in other countries affairs. The US also has a terrible track record with native rights.
@good2goskee Regardless, If I walk away from my home (ignoring seizure for unpaid taxes) for a few (several) hundred years, my descendants would not be able to walk up to the current occupants, and tell the to GTFO and take back over residence, they would be seen as an illegal tenant.
@smallyb2009 (cont) speaking of Murdering......instead of fingering Canadian/Nato soldiers who have made efforts to reduce collaterol damage, you should look at Ghaddafi who has brought in foreigners and specifcally paid them to kill his own people. The mercenaries are not concerned about collaterol damage.
@good2goskee and what is this all about? it is about 9-11, THE INSIDE JOB! the soldiers should WALK OFF THE "JOB" and let the faggot bankers fend for themselves!!!!!!!!!
@smallyb2009 So, you're saying it is a bad thing to take Oil from radical Countries that will most likley end up Financing Terrorism? Besides, who the fuck are you to say what Is right and wrong in America's actions? What have you contributed to the world that gives you the right to critisize The US's aggresive ways of keeping the world safe? The Problem with those who share your political view is always the same, you havent realized "Iff you want to make an omelette you need to break eggs".
@smallyb2009 Don't point out the rest of the coalition that is also sticking their noses into the conflict...also don't mention that the United States doesn't import any Libyan oil due to the countries' sour relations...also don't point out the fact that most studies estimate that less than 150,000 Iraqis died...also don't point out that it is very unlikely that the Libyan rebels could have claimed victory without the US and the rest of the coalition imposing a no-fly-zone and bombing targets...
@Stumpster09 between Iraq, and Afghanistan, There have been in the range of 1 million casualties (Aug 2010 numbers), mostly in Iraq. Where the hell did you get your disinformation numbers from. What is happening in Iraq amounts to nothing more than a genocide.
@SSshane6d9 That would be the Asshole dictator the US supported in power for a long time. Just like Saddam Hussein, an American (CIA) lackey, that the US lost control of, like so many other dictators the US has put in power and helped, only to lose control of and eventually have to dispose of.
It’s a good thing to know that every other place in the World is such a loving – peaceful place, except for where the Americans are. Wow, to be free from pain, inhumanity, death, torture, tyranny, and not having to follow your orders as a soldier… Wow, where do you live? I’m moving there…
“Freedom is not free, but ignorance is superabundant!”
It’s a good thing to know that every other place in the World is such a loving – peaceful place, except for where the Americans are. Wow, to be free from pain, inhumanity, death, torture, tyranny, and not having to follow your orders as a soldier… Wow, where do you live? I’m moving there…
“Freedom is not free, but ignorance is superabundant!”
@99hockeynhl Actually, the Canadian version of the F/A-18 is the CF-18 (officially designated CF-188), the American F-15 can be one of many versions, including the "Strike Eagle", there are many different "sub-versions" of these aircraft, including the "Super Hornet" version of the hornet, it is actually a different aircraft, it is just using the same design as the standard hornet, on steroids, and slightly larger.
@kledder2 That is not a cowboy hat, or anything like it, it is a form of service cap called a boonie cap, ir is more like a tilly hat, than a cowboy hat, it is soft and flexible, if you have ever seen or worn a cowboy hat, you will know they are not exactly soft and flexible.
@kledder2 No, it just means I don't talk out of my ass if I don't actually have the faintest clue what I am talking about. I also served with military personal as a civilian instructor. BTW, the "hat" as you incorrectly call it, is an issue item, part of the uniform, so much for your "So much for uniformity." comment. Just some advice, take it or leave it, stick to commenting on crap you know something about.
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know you were going to cry about it. Maybe your "serving" took a little to much on you? You know, they have these really good psychologists these days.
ALL pilots had the same trouble finding legit military targets once the Libyan air defenses and obvious weapons were wiped. Not really unique to Canadians
@pebblelake1 the landcaster crews couldnt fight for survival they were sitin duks they had MGs but that didnt do squat, and in landcaster crew interviews most felt bad for the bombing of german civilians but they still went through with their missions even in densley poopulated areas even when it ment usin incendiaries. these pilots were ordered to save civilians, but they were given an order and their @55 belongs to the rcaf and wether or not it goes against mandate they cant refuse an order.
@pebblelake1 its war, we have to get over it people are going to die, we can only lower that #. how do u think the landcaster crews flying over germany felt? they literaly droped millions of tons of bombs likely not even hiting legitiment targets of oppertunity either civilian, or non civilian. they probably killed more civies than bad enemy combatants. besides we now have precision guided munitions to minimize death and they only drop what one or two of them? its not like they are dropin a nuke
@MarineMike97 I'm guessing, but Gaddafi must have slaughtered more than 800,000 civilians to date for the UN to justify the intervention. Such an atrocity unfolded in Africa, between the Hutus & the Tutsis in the Rwandan Genocide of 1994, the Hutu extremists killed an estimated 800,000 Rwandans, mostly Tutsis. Did the UN intervene...NO!!
The United Nations aren't sincerely interested in the welfare of the people in Libya, they are motivated by greedy self interest!! What's that 3 letter word?
@MarineMike97 I realise that the concept of judging a situation and deciding not to fire because it would cause too many civilian casualties, is completely alien to American military forces and the people in charge of them. If you can't grasp that, at least try to remember that we're over there to try to save civilian lives. You're under the misguided impression that this is WW3.
@strakha0 no im not i realize the exact situat and no matter what you do no matter how hard people try, there will always be inocent people dieing, and im not saying its WW3 WW2 or WW1 where its hectact, im saying people will always die.by the way, my name gave it up didnt it?I was in the marines and Ik there will always be people dieing, and i accept that and so i tried to avoid it and it worked pretty damn well.Im sayin these pilots should frankly get over it and do their job or others may die
@MarineMike97 I assumed you are either a marine, or some nutter ;) Glad to see it's the former.
That it is easier to blow up a target on a computer screen is too true. If you walk into a village and kill everyone with a machine gun, you're going to have a major case of PTSD, whereas a thousand feet up with a smart missile... I highly doubt that they just lacked the nerve, because you're right, it doesn't take much. We shouldn't draw conclusions when we don't know the situation.
@strakha0 of course, your right its a hell of a lot easier. all they c through even the monitor is just white blobs moving and a dark green outline.thats why im wondering why they cant do their mission to me thats b.s, i dont like to see people die but ik it will always happen. the problem i think is just the fact they aint redy to kill.the rcaf i dont think is that prepared for war.not to say it applies for the whole cf hel their lite infantry is one of the more well trained it even impreses me
@MarineMike97 In the first Iraq war, Britain had more casualties in friendly fire incidents with America, and most of that was coming from the air. I agree that sometimes in war unintended casualties are inevitable. I'm just saying you got to be more careful in situations such as these, than other types of warfare. For all we know it might have been the correct decision not to fire. Not much point in us being there if we hit the wrong people.
@strakha0 tru but within evry war is a secondary war and that secondary war is a media war.look at us we are arguing about an incident about this war and you even think as well as me that we shouldnt be there if we kill the wrong people if this never happend we wouldn't be talking and wondering if this bombing of libya is important. if they just sucked it up for lack of a better term and shoot at what was intended, the secondary war would be almost be won.it dont mater wether it was rite to not.
@MarineMike97 Well, if we don't tread carefully, we'll lose our support for this with the Arab league. Do you know anything more about the reason why they didn't fire (other than being pussies)? I don't. It makes it kind of hard to judge. Were there school children up on the roof waving flags, or were they worried about hitting some guy 30 miles away?
@strakha0 im pretty sure it was near an urban area, at night time, and they were a couple thousacnd feet above and just decided not to. its too risky to do it in daytime because of anti air and they probably didnt even look through the screen or arm their weapons. so yes i believe they just werent psychologically ready to drop a bomb on likely a legitiment target.
@MarineMike97 There is something I need to clear up: do you accept that after being given the mission and coords, that there are situations where it is not appropriate to fire?
What is needed at the very least to judge this situation is the pilot's reason why he did not fire. Whatever your experiences I find it hard to take seriously the view that fighter jet pilots are "Pussies". In addition, I find the idea that people measure their manhood by their willingness to kill disturbing.
@strakha0 there are certain situations on the ground where we know not to fire because it was too close to civies, as in the same building as them where they may acidently get hit by our giant b1tch slap of fire. when i was in the marines airstrikes would almost never come unless it was absolutly necesary, as in a sniper or a major "problem", as in tanks(which i never encountered) and larger enemy encampments. the reason y grunts are good at their job is because we r trained to kill and not dwel
@MarineMike97 Despite my own personal avoidance of violence (but not inability - ex police and several years of martial arts), I find the subject of war fascinating. I would kill if the choice was me or him, but by joining up this is a situation you find yourself in on a regular basis.
I've heard very few personal accounts of modern warfare; I bet you have some interesting stories to tell. Thanks for sharing, and if you ever feel like saying more feel free to drop me a message :)
meh its the airforce, every airforce is made up of just a buncha pussies. example:"of crap the cables out! this sucks, i gotta fix this fast!" i know they dont want to kill civilians but hell, it will always happen, that is fact of war no one can deny it, but you'd think not even being able to see the damn bombs in person not on a screen would ease the stress. besides they are precision guided munitions ment to kill the bunker but not destroy the hospital beside it, for f%c*s sake its not a nuke
This is pure psychological operarions disinfo on the part of the Canadian military. From 10,000 feet good guys cannot be distinguished from bad guys. Get over it Canada, we are now a war making country. Peace keeping is a thing of the past and this kind of propaganda will not change that. There is no such thing as compassionate bombing.
I lived up there in queerbeck for 18 years, setup lots of industry, created many jobs, but in 77, I setup the head office in montreal, design studios in montreal, ottawa, and orlando, then declared an enemy of the guvernment of quebec, and told to leave the province, I was thinking they had confused me with some one else, fighting them in court for 15 years, seeing the ethnic cleansing of anglos from quebec, because of collusion with russia attempting to breakup canada, has thusfar failed.
As far as I'm concerned, this entire CBC clip is a psychological operation, designed to get you to support the armed forces. How? Look at the comments. So many of you are PROUD now. You feel pride, that somehow Canada and Canadians are better than those warmongering Americans. "We've got the kinder, gentler, machine-gun hand" is how Neil Young put it. Truth is, we shouldn't be in Libya. We shouldn't be buying more war equipment. And it's far worse that we feel good about ourselves while we do.
@ArtificialEntity RIGHT! You have also in CANADA those Steve Harper's ISRAEL and NATO goals backing Conservative fascist assholes. People who have suppressed INDIANS in Canada also,,,,,
@PNACATTACKdotCOM True. Oh Canada! Our stolen native land. True patriot love in few of thy sons command. With glowing hearts we see thee rise the true north strong and free(?) From far and wide Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee(and Libya and Afghanistan and wherever else we get sent by the NWO) God keep our land glorious and free (cuz we sure can't do it) Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee! (Don't believe it? Let's say it again) Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee! (Whew feel better now!)
@BoredomCorner Did I say that having integrity is part of some evil master plan? Hold on a sec lemme just scroll up and take a look. NOPE. Didn't say that. Now let me just take a look at the definition of Integrity on the online dictionary - Wholeness; uprightness; honesty or soundness of moral principle and character. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code; The state of being wholesome..Hey that sounds like me! SO THAT'S WHY I'm against war and murder! I have INTEGRITY! THANKS!
canadian francias should have had a kind way with the 600,000 anglo quebec citizens thay ethnically cleansed from quebec from 1979 until now, ending their businesses, schools, in many cases, the families, and all those incarcereded who opposed their tyranny---la belle province fights a war---eh ? There could well be one on the horizon, I wonder if they will become proislamic then ? eh ?
Again, although we didn’t declare war on Iraq in 2003 and publicly ‘didn’t participate’ we still sent a number of Canadian Forces personnel to serve actively in Iraq, around 150 troops/peacekeepers. “In all, 40 to 50 Canadian military members participated in the conflict.” (Wikipedia).
@rm02px 50 Canadian military “participating” to the conflict? What you really mean is observing. With such a ridiculous small number, I’m not sure that they were enough to even carry theirs own weight, much less having any significant effect on the issue of the war. This is all the better because the supposed weapons of mass destruction own by Iraq were never found. The US did start the war on this claim.
With that said, as admirable and well-hearted your intentions are, I agree with most of your concerns but the problem is your lack of knowledge when it comes to historical fact.The reason for war seems to exploit another country’s resources for the gain of the invader; the imperialistic gain of the crusader themselves. This type of barbarian logic: dropping bombs for peace and taking what's not yours at the expense of impoverishing one’s people for the few to prosper is --- wrong.
@rm02px This IS about controlling resources. Look at the numbers of foreigners that has been pull back. A few hundreds of French and Italians and a few tens of Brits and others country. Nothing compare to the +30000 Chinese. Libya was building her infrastructure in overdrive speed with her abundant petrodollars, mainly with China. US, UK and France came too late, and find themselves with a very small share of the pie. How convenient to overthrow Gadhafi, and replace those Chinese.
No need to convince me, I already know the current reason behind these "imperialistic crusades of war:" The exploitation of natural resources by building 'infrastructure' that only benefits the extraction of these resources into the hands of the imperialists. It is pretty obvious nowadays what's happening.
Does it really matter? The fact is clear: Canada participated in some form or fashion, whether for peacekeeping (observing) or in military tactical situations is conjecture. To deem it as "insignificant," is to undermine the Canadian Forces themselves. And certainly I'd be the last to advocate such unpatriotic rhetoric especially in light of our brilliant tactics and ingenuity used at Vimy Ridge during WWII. Although classic it underscores our efficiency in small numbers.
@IlluminatiSeer As a Canadian I am NOT the slightest bit ashamed our people are there. They FOLLOWED orders To the Letter,as usual. The pilots are ordered to use their own judgement on approach to target. Possible civilian risks -Back with your full load. The U.S. I believe the same -also Brits, French, Danes, Norwegians and so on. I guess we're all or mostly computer type opinions and don't have to make those real life calls. Opinions are like assholes I guess -everyone has one including me ;)
@rm02px Canada hasn’t participated to Vietnam War, or the second Gulf War. Why Canada should pay the economic and military price of the US external politic? Didn’t we have our lesson with Afghanistan? That country has become the biggest opium producer in the world. What about human development for that country? Or criminality associated with heroin?
Gadhafi is the least corrupt leaders of the Africa. Under his watch Libya have reach the highest human development index of the continent.
Let’s get one thing straight here. I’m not advocating war in any shape or form I’m simply stating the facts. Canada seems to follow the US when the US justifies going to war. In Vietnam, Canada “sent a small number of national forces in 1973 to help enforce the Paris Peace Accords.” (Wikipedia). During 90’s in the Gulf War (Desert Storm Operation) Canada was part of US-led joint collation. Canada was one of the first nations to condemn the invasion in the 1991 Iraq invasion.
We are proud and motivated to be part of this wall (war?) ,,, We are here to defend canada's moral value's.. Lybia is a Muslim country in Africa. It doesn't need canadian marals and value's!
I support smashing Gaddafi where it hurts the most, without making him a martyr. I want him in a spider hole wondering what's going to happen right up to the point that we drop one down his chimney. Lockerbie
How dare you send our troops to partake in this clear attack on Libya's sovereignty. This is going to be like the Egypt/Israeli war where the U.N "stepped in" to help, and stole the Suez Canal. Don't let these scumbags get involved.
Another corporate lawyer, who will sell us out to "American" corporations through NAFTA, and send our soldiers to wars that the people don't want them to fight? I know I will not be voting for our 4 main parties when the election comes, they are no better then the "American" two party scam they have there.
I am sorry, but NDP is not a viable solution to our problems.
They are part of the "divide, and conquer" scam that gives the illusion of leaders that will make real change, and just like the Conservatives they will simply sell us out to "American" corporations.
We need to vote for a party that is not part of the big 4, and put the little guy back in power.
Just like in "America" we need an independent party, enough with the old games of left/right.
propaganda they are still there bombing, spending my tax dollars to kill innocent people..i am sick of it...the day is coming canada when your lies will be exposed and we kick the queen the fuck out of our peice of dirt. along with all this political correctness bullshit
great to hear!!! youll get support for military with being mindful to collateral damage
AwfTHENormal 1 month ago
I like how pilots used their own judgement rather than just taking orders.
bourtelli 1 month ago
If more people could figure out why the current people running for government are all puppets and Romney is practicably the second coming of George Bush JR and our government is being ran by Zionist who are currently controlling our government via the media and the Banking cartel. The only man who has stood firm in his convictions is Ron Paul. I can almost guaranty you that if Romney is elect we will be headed to WW3 unless Russia decides to stay side lines and china. Every Empire falls!
TheHampdenRaven 1 month ago
They said women will only get 10% Maximum representation in a new new Libyan regime.
The Libyan leadership has al quaeda supporters in it.
Libyan militias have not disarmed, and there is still fighting going on.
Worst of all, they are NOW torturing thousands of detainees AND NATO leaders are so ashamed, they are trying to ignore how they let rebel savages take control.
Rebel war criminals will not face war crimes
- look for YT clips; Libyan rebel atrocities.
Canadian Media LIES about Libya
slizzler1 1 month ago
As for Canadian Conservatives - Canada's answer to warmongering neocons- had its leaders Stephen Harper, Peter Mackay, Christopher Alexander's lie about spreading 'democracy'. in Libya. In fact they are admitting they used Canada's military in a deplorable way - to enforce 'Regime Change' in a private civil war - the intervention was for the sake of NATO leaders gluttony for cheaper oil.
The rebels have committed war crimes and ethnic cleansing - is that democracy ?
slizzler1 1 month ago
This clip talks about crap saying Canadian values were being spread and Libyan civilians not being targeted;
The Canadian Conservative govt. coached the media to put out this BS idea.
NATO leaders gave their pilots directives to attack Libyan areas that had civilians in the area. Civilians WERE killed by NATO air strikes. NATO is covering up these facts.
Look at clips on youtube under search for
'NATO kills Libyan civilians' and 'Libyans killed by NATO'
slizzler1 1 month ago
Don't be conned by this BS clip.
It is NATO leaders propaganda BS crap. The Canadian Conservative Harper government put the Canadian military in a role like the Neocons BS war in Iraq
This war was fought for OIL ONLY.
The UN mandate was ONLY to protect civilians - READ IT. Instead, the NATO leaders acted as OFFENSIVE air support for Rebel offensives in a civil war against NATO's former regional ALLY, Gaddafi. Gaddafi was helping NATO / UK keeping Islamist extremists out of the area.
slizzler1 1 month ago
vive le canada! vive le quebec!
asrafoo 1 month ago
A bit of an improvement from the way Canadian Airborne conducted themselves in Somalia back in 1993, whilst supposedly on a ‘humanitarian’ mission, when the regiment had to be totally disbanded for crimes against humanity.
NigNogPoIice 2 months ago
@NigNogPoIice Canadians, at least those of us old enough to remember 1993, are well aware of the "Somalia Affair" also known as "Canada's national shame". The guilty have been imprisoned. Any reason to rub the Canadian nose in that very old dog turd?
MsColdCanada 1 month ago
@MsColdCanada
Good. let's hope they remember the holocaust of the Canadian Indian people's too.
NigNogPoIice 1 month ago
@NigNogPoIice They are not called "indians". They are Canada's First Nations people. What holocaust? Are you talking about the awful practice of residential schools? For the most part the First Nations were allied with early settlers. They have fought for Canada in WWI and WWII. They are not dead they are our past and our future.
MsColdCanada 1 month ago
@MsColdCanada
"What holocaust?"
Say no more.
NigNogPoIice 1 month ago
@NigNogPoIice Smart ass... you did not address anything I said. I know several First Nations people and they wouldn't be impressed with your attitude. Now point out what part of Canadian history you are referring to or shut it.
MsColdCanada 1 month ago
@MsColdCanada Just ignore @NigNogPolice he is just spewing out things he learns from comments he reads on youtube about how everything is a lie etc. etc. Seems like thats what alot of people on here do..
Whoexactlyshatonwho 1 month ago
@NigNogPoIice
Exactly.
Canadian PM took the right path against warcrime murder of a Somali kid committed by the members of that regiment. Canadian media called it a 'torture death' - too gutless to call it a savage murder.
But this current Canadian PM Stephen Harper and his party stooges are Elitist panderers, they remind me of the Neocons- spewing out vain-glorious BS about themselves that only they are stupid enough to believe.
The gutless media never learned from Iraq; seeking Truth
slizzler1 1 month ago
Canada say no to illegal wars and occupation stand up !!!!!
hamid954 3 months ago
Good for the pilots. REAL Canadians. Thank you!
crazyforcanada 3 months ago
ALL the BULLSHIT Spewed Out to Canadians by a BILDERBERGER FLUNKY Peter Mansbridge. That Fucker needs to be in PRISON along with the REST of the CONtemptible CON CULT.
suzieq0452 4 months ago
IGNORE the delUsHiousbrownie I think he's One of HARPO's TURDS that ESCAPED the SEWER. CONservatives are all like Karl Rove"TURD BLOSSOMS" that can only ATTRACK Shithouse FLIES.
suzieq0452 4 months ago
They didnt drop and kill bunch murders ? Whats up Canada ?
GalaticSpaceHero 4 months ago
are we going to get fuel discounts ? Of course not ! GO NATO ! WORD WAR 3 ! GET IT OWN! BABY!
GalaticSpaceHero 4 months ago
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BERNARD-HENRI LÉVY, 62, a Zionist French philosopher is the man behind the French and American War on Libya, and he admits doing so freely and at leisure.
It was Mr. Lévy, by his own still undisputed account, who brought top members of the Libyan opposition — the Interim Transitional National Council — from Benghazi to Paris to meet President Nicolas Sarkozy on March 10, who suggested the unprecedented French recognition of the council as the legitimate government of Libya
dumalucky 4 months ago
canadians gotta join india russia and china....usa will bowdown eventually
T3D420 4 months ago
Another reason the Canadian pilots did'nt drop their bombs is simple. We don't kill people for the benifit of exxon fucking mobil!
dsspike51 4 months ago 16
The military defending morals and doing whats right? Rare, but awesome. These guys show us we can still have some pride being from the West. Good on them.
RepsoI 4 months ago
I wish they'd tee-up on some of the arab-run gas stations in my neighborhood.
raynus1 5 months ago
The US president Obama can have american citizens assassinated ? WTF
MrKemskee 5 months ago
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USA is collapsing. It need oil
glup2glup 5 months ago
If this is true, about the Canadian pilots, then I applaud them for following their own intelligence & not following the assignment that they deemed wrong/inhumane.
As a Canadian, when I heard that not only were Canadians going to be involved in this NATO action against Libya but that it was a Canadian who accepted the Command of it when no-one else would do it . . . I just felt sick.
I can only hope that he has come to realise that taking Command & the whole NATO action is wrong.
MaidenPEI 6 months ago
Does anyone know if Canada is acting in a humane way regards this invasion.
landlogger 6 months ago
Although Jews do not proselytize, If I want to become Jewish I can go to one of many "gogs" and speak to a rabbi about conversion. There is definately a process for those that want to become Jewish. Division and Elitism are related but are not exactly the same.Using the term "race" re. chosen race suggests biological conitations.I believe the wording is "chosen people". When the Turks give back Constantinpole to Greece, you can expect Israel to give lands to the Arabs...not going to happen
good2goskee 6 months ago
THANKS CANADIAN PEOPEL
Mauricio7344 6 months ago
No , because you canadian are pussy , and we AMERICAN ARE THE BEST .
TheBlindmind99 6 months ago
@TheBlindmind99 GO TO HELL YOUR MOM IS A CHAMPION SUCKING DICKS IN HELL. I HOPE MORE IRENES GET YOUR SHIT DEVIL COUNTRY YOU AND YOUR FUCKEN EUROPEANS AND JEWS COUNTRIES.
Mauricio7344 6 months ago
@TheBlindmind99 american are colapses soon...pussys
muhasyim 6 months ago
good for you Canada
hoplite46 6 months ago 15
google search " Daily NATO War Crimes in Libya "
I doubt Canadians soldier/airmen are not killing (murdering) civilians.
CBC: kinda good reporting... but NOT. I wonder how much Mansbridge gets to spew this twisted view of Libya ?
JonathanSeagullUtube 7 months ago
google search " Daily NATO War Crimes in Libya "
I doubt Canadians soldier/airmen are not killing (murdering) civilians.
JonathanSeagullUtube 7 months ago
You guys are a bunch of cynical fuckheads.
I'm not an American citizen, but holy Christ, you make them out to be the fkin devil.
GangsterHutterite 7 months ago
Does canada even have nuclear weapons?? like H-bombs just a question
yezidi11 7 months ago
@yezidi11 No.
zortation 7 months ago
@yezidi11 nope
historyisstrange 7 months ago
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List of countries bombed by the US*Japan ( Hiroshima & Nagasaki)*China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53*China 1950-53*Guatemala 1954*Indonesia 1958*Cuba 1959-60*Guatemala 1960*Belgian Congo 1964*Guatemala 1964*Dominican
WhisperEyePD 8 months ago
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Republic 1965-66*Peru 1965*Laos 1964-73*Vietnam 1961-73*Cambodia 1969-70*Guatemala 1967-69*Lebanon 1982-84*Grenada 1983-84*Libya 1986*El Salvador 1981-92*Nicaragua 1981-90*Libya 1986*Iran 1987-88*Libya 1989 Panama 1989-90*Iraq 1991-2002*Kuwait 1991*Somalia 1992-94*Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)*Bosnia 1995*Iran 1998 (airliner)*Sudan 1998*Afghanistan 1998*Yugoslavia 1999*Afghanistan 2001-02*Libya 2011
WhisperEyePD 8 months ago
search for "spanish nato fighter pilots" in google to see how they were urged in the war against yugoslavia to intentionally attack civilian targets - in opposite to official claims,
1sabineMai 8 months ago
to bad more soldiers don't care about the loss of innocent lives. oh well i guest that's just the world we live in today.
mmcclain88 9 months ago
....we are trying to bring you home peace keepers,
~keep the spirit, law & peace;
=those whom should have prevented this miscarriage of justice shall be held in account dear trained killers, you hired on to defend kanada and keep the peace; very sorry for how you have been illegally deployed; peace be in with you all !
docatomics 10 months ago
@docatomics It's Canada, not Kanada, notice it is a "C", and capitalized to boot!
skatecubed 4 months ago
@skatecubed ...know it is kanada, the "meeting place";
~this NATO hessionization of our beloved Peace Keepers using our my tax dollars was the last straw
=I can not be part of the corporate entity we were programmed to love unconditionally as children and not look upon with constructively critical eyes, the entity commonly described in legal terms as CANADA !
-but thanks kindly for the well meant conformity reminder friend !
docatomics 4 months ago
@docatomics I have to assume you are a little kid, or terribly illiterate, Canada, is the countries name, Kanata, is a word the Iroquois language, meaning village, settlement or land, sometimes erroneously, "meeting place", CANADA is the countries name, Kanata (I assume your illiterate self is referring too) is not the countries name. The military is not a corporate "entity", it is an organization, manned by people who love this country, who serve to protect this country, and it's interests.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@skatecubed ...ditto
~perhaps it is better that 1 should remain ignorant of reality in law & practice until the end effect is no longer ignorance in some rare circumstance ?
=may such apparent episode of cognitive dissonance serve your pre-programmed disillusion well enough; until reality should demands you change convenient beliefs that you come to learn the difference between serving life and neighbor from serving the selfish plague infest this land & people
=goodbye for now child !
docatomics 4 months ago
@docatomics ...And the slaughter of the English language continues, maybe if you could communicate in a cognitive manner, I could understand just exactly what you are trying to spew..er..um, say. I am not suffering from any kind of brainwashing as to what governments can do, and how hey can abuse their power, but I am not an "out there whack job:" either, unlike someone who is commenting in this thread. Learn to spell, and the rules of grammar, and someone might take you seriously.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@sbugiardo More like save houndreds of thousands from being tortured to death, like saddam had done and was doing at the point in which he was in power. The U.S is still paying for gas, believe me if the U.S was taking oil for nothing from Iraq, the price of gas wouldnt have rissen like it has in the past few years. And by the way when saddam set the oil wells on fire, was that not polluting the earth? Also not one test has ever proven that depleated uranium rounds cause birth defects.
SSshane6d9 11 months ago
@SSshane6d9 Take the oil , kill the bastards and nuke Iran Case closed
biggerturtle 11 months ago
If this was americans in the plane the bomb would,ev been dropped regardless of who was on the ground, Because the whole World knows american soldiers are the most evil psychotic murdering bastards on the planet.
smallyb2009 11 months ago 37
@smallyb2009
It's funny your so anti america that no matter what the U.S does it will never be good enough. Were helping the Libyan people out by helping then take out there asshole DICKtator while other middle eastern countries want us to help. But in your eyes were nothing but a bunch of assholes who only want whats good for ourselves. Yet when in need middle eastern countries call on us, no matter how much humanitarian aid we give, it will never be enough for you anti-amercan douch bags,
SSshane6d9 11 months ago
@SSshane6d9 so should we say: "Please U卐A, come and bomb our country! Share with us your depleted uranium, for we want to have deforemed children and die of cancer! Flood our media with your fake propaganda! Treat ourselves as Iraqi deteness, beat us also to death! Oh please take our land resources with which we feed our children, so that you can pollute the planet some more and invest in deadly technologies some more! Oh please be our saviours!"
You meant something like that?
sbugiardo 11 months ago
@SSshane6d9;The only reason the americans are sticking there pig noses into Lybia,s affairs is because Lybia is an oil rich Country, You claim you had to interfere because innocent civilians were being killed yet you stood by & watched the zionist bastards from israhell murdering innocent civilians in Gaza,You say you want to help because innocent civilians are being killed yet your own military slaughtered over a million innocent Iraqi,s & not a word was said,You just made excuses & lied..
smallyb2009 11 months ago 17
@smallyb2009
For one thing, millions of innocent iraqi's did not die by the hands of the U.S, they died by the hand of suddam and his sons. I saw the torture chambers for myself, AGAIN WERE YOU EVER THERE TO SEE THOSE TORTURE CHAMBERS??? NO, and have you ever asked a non biased iraqi what they thought about having Suddam back or the U.S there NO. Now in your typical ways you'll say im a lier, but remember, middle eastern countries asked for our help in the end. YOUR JUST SIMPLY ANTI-AMERICAN
SSshane6d9 11 months ago
@SSshane6d9 Nevermind iraq and gaza.. There are dozens of examples of attrocities worse than lybia IN JUST THE LAST DECADE, from darfor to turkey to eat timor. Many times worse than iraq and lybia combined.. but.. but.. those places don't have oil.. You will not accept this cause being american is the only thing you have to be proud of. Go watch more sports.
newexperiment 9 months ago
@SSshane6d9 Bush send his death message to iraqi people that video is on my channel to expose ur devil Bush & his supporters
shadowofears 9 months ago
@shadowofears
What are you talking about, bush hasnt been in the presidential seat for what 3 years now????? So your whole comment doesnt even make sence to even the most stupid of peope let alone anybody that is informed about the subject. I think you need to become a little bit more informed before you make another comment
SSshane6d9 9 months ago
@SSshane6d9;No ive never been to Iraq but ive heard plenty of soldiers from the u.s saying they were ordered to murder innocent Iraqi,s,There called hero,s until they dare to tell the truth,Then there called unpatreotic & traitors,If any other Country on the planet invented a pack of lies & sent a bunch of psychopaths to invade an oil rich Country to murder over a million innocent people & steal there resorces the u.s would be the first to condem them & demand they be brought to justice.
smallyb2009 8 months ago 2
@smallyb2009
Hey smallyballs, You get a fucking job yet? You lazy green nigger. Did you find fucking work? Or have you pissed another 6 months of your miserable pointless life away yapping at the fucking americans on youtube?
You are fucking pathetic. Our mother works the brothels all day getting her anus and snootch pounded by sloppy drunk brits. And as opposed to helping out in the flat, you lock yourself in your room and cry on youtube all day.
Ur just like Pa U lazy green nigger.
Smallynuts2009 10 months ago
@smallyb2009 Israelis would not kill Palestinians if they were not getting random rocket attacks or have been attacked by almost every Muslim country in the region. If you want to talk about hypocrasy where are the Muslim armies helping their brothers to create stability in Syria, Libya, Yeman? Where were the Muslims when Serbs were attacking Bosnia? Hypocrates! Where were they to protect Darfur and Chad from the Libyans and Sudanese? Look at yourselves in the mirror- I am proud of my country
good2goskee 7 months ago
@good2goskee Well considering the only proof Israel has that those lands are its own are a collection of really old books called the Old Testament and the fact that they had previously not inhabited that land for hundreds of years after their initial leaving.
Also the borders Israel was granted in 1967 are not the borders Israel currently is using as they have militarily expanded and claimed land that was never given to them by the UN.
MrDubDisciple 6 months ago
@MrDubDisciple actually besides those "old books"..... there are countless artifacts, architecture, and accounts from other cultures that Jews were in those lands. There is far more tangible evidence vs. what natives claim (oral history lol) which create their claims in Canada and the USA. As far as the UN...perhaps there is an argument; however, perhaps those lands can be considered conquered lands similar to lands conquered in the USA (from Mexico), or Turks took from Greece.
good2goskee 6 months ago
@good2goskee If Israel is entitled to land it was ousted from centuries after the ousting then the State of Texas should be returned to Mexico.
MrDubDisciple 6 months ago
@MrDubDisciple there yo go! ... and Contantinople should go back to the Greeks, Central Asians should take claim to N&South.America, the Chinese should give back Turkostan and the Brits should give back to the Galics and Normans. So, perhaps when the Mexicans can outgunn the Texans we'll see
good2goskee 6 months ago
@good2goskee If you make any headway with that cause let the world know. I won't hold my breath. Israel can maintain to borders it was granted by the UN or suffer the consequences of occupying land that does not belong to you.
MrDubDisciple 6 months ago
@MrDubDisciple I'm being sarcastic to underline the reality. The Chinese will not give back Turkostan, USA will not become a collection of indian states, and Israel may modify its border, but it is NOT giving up significant territory unless a nation takes it from them
good2goskee 6 months ago
@good2goskee Then Israel should come to grips with the fact that it has a displaced people on the edges of its borders in the middle of the Middle East where weapons can be found at the local supermarket and usually cheaper then the food.
MrDubDisciple 6 months ago
@MrDubDisciple they have been doing it for 60 years....the Brits and Irish did for 100s.....as long as EU and USA support Israel.....it is what it is. Nobody seemed to care about Israeli Jews during their many disporia...who compensated them? Where was justice then?
good2goskee 6 months ago
@good2goskee
Generally when you deem yourself the "holy race", do not support anyone entering into the religion except by birth you don't really set too much of a needy precedent. The does not mean however because the Jews were harmed so many times they should be the bullied who becomes a bully.
MrDubDisciple 6 months ago
@MrDubDisciple well to consider this only a holy/religious issue is over-simplifying it.
good2goskee 6 months ago
@good2goskee Why can't the core reason be that simple? Do problems have to be multi-faceted or complicated merely because they involve a lot of people? Elitism does not lend itself well to relations with other people.
MrDubDisciple 6 months ago
@MrDubDisciple You used the adjective "holy" which is a religious qualifier. Religion is not an elitous category. All social classes can participate; therefore, it cannot be elite.. Elitism excludes based upon social class: economics/wealth, education, family history.
good2goskee 6 months ago
@good2goskee Israelites do not support conversion into the Jewish faith, they deem themselves the chosen race. That to me promotes division and separate identity.
MrDubDisciple 6 months ago
@good2goskee When Israel is a holy state, when citizenship is automatic for any Jew, when it is founded as a Jewish state, religion most definitely becomes part of any issue regarding it's existence. Zionist Jews see themselves as God's chosen people, over and above any other faith and race, as such, they are a higher social class if not solely because of their Jewishness, so yeah, class does come into it, and "holy" as a qualifier as it pertains to Jews (Zionists) does incite elitism.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@MrDubDisciple Well said, but see, the Mexico / Texas question is not based on Christian Radicalism / Jewish Zionism.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@good2goskee What about the totem poles or Indian spearheads and hyroglifics. The natives don't want their own country anyways and your Canadian so stay out of middle east politics I don't see them getting interested in the melting northern ice cap.
TheDeliciousbrownie 6 months ago
@TheDeliciousbrownie ""don't want their own country anyways"" are you crazy? The AFN was absurdly lobbying the UN for full nation status (LOL) The ridiculous language of ""First Nations" proliferates and was started in 1964 by an anglo author....and coined by lawyers getting rich off the native court process. The fact is the UN is involved in 'our' politics and that is why MANY MANY consessions and benefits have been given to natives...including a quasi government status
good2goskee 6 months ago
@TheDeliciousbrownie I am Canadian too, and as far as your "stay out of middle east politics" get over yourself, politics inthe middle east do give as as many concerns as your country, if anyone starts lobbing ICBM's your way, guess where they get intercepted/overfly, yeah, CANADA!, so STFU, and realize the USA is not the only country affected by the US meddling in other countries affairs. The US also has a terrible track record with native rights.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@good2goskee Regardless, If I walk away from my home (ignoring seizure for unpaid taxes) for a few (several) hundred years, my descendants would not be able to walk up to the current occupants, and tell the to GTFO and take back over residence, they would be seen as an illegal tenant.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@smallyb2009 (cont) speaking of Murdering......instead of fingering Canadian/Nato soldiers who have made efforts to reduce collaterol damage, you should look at Ghaddafi who has brought in foreigners and specifcally paid them to kill his own people. The mercenaries are not concerned about collaterol damage.
good2goskee 7 months ago
@good2goskee and what is this all about? it is about 9-11, THE INSIDE JOB! the soldiers should WALK OFF THE "JOB" and let the faggot bankers fend for themselves!!!!!!!!!
SprayOClockNews 6 months ago
@smallyb2009 So, you're saying it is a bad thing to take Oil from radical Countries that will most likley end up Financing Terrorism? Besides, who the fuck are you to say what Is right and wrong in America's actions? What have you contributed to the world that gives you the right to critisize The US's aggresive ways of keeping the world safe? The Problem with those who share your political view is always the same, you havent realized "Iff you want to make an omelette you need to break eggs".
hankvonlastname96 6 months ago
@smallyb2009 Don't point out the rest of the coalition that is also sticking their noses into the conflict...also don't mention that the United States doesn't import any Libyan oil due to the countries' sour relations...also don't point out the fact that most studies estimate that less than 150,000 Iraqis died...also don't point out that it is very unlikely that the Libyan rebels could have claimed victory without the US and the rest of the coalition imposing a no-fly-zone and bombing targets...
Stumpster09 5 months ago
@Stumpster09 between Iraq, and Afghanistan, There have been in the range of 1 million casualties (Aug 2010 numbers), mostly in Iraq. Where the hell did you get your disinformation numbers from. What is happening in Iraq amounts to nothing more than a genocide.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@smallyb2009
Now that the war is over. You will see every soldier carrying oil into planes and boats going back to the usa.
kledder2 4 months ago
@SSshane6d9 That would be the Asshole dictator the US supported in power for a long time. Just like Saddam Hussein, an American (CIA) lackey, that the US lost control of, like so many other dictators the US has put in power and helped, only to lose control of and eventually have to dispose of.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@smallyb2009
It’s a good thing to know that every other place in the World is such a loving – peaceful place, except for where the Americans are. Wow, to be free from pain, inhumanity, death, torture, tyranny, and not having to follow your orders as a soldier… Wow, where do you live? I’m moving there…
“Freedom is not free, but ignorance is superabundant!”
fuzzenaval 8 months ago
It’s a good thing to know that every other place in the World is such a loving – peaceful place, except for where the Americans are. Wow, to be free from pain, inhumanity, death, torture, tyranny, and not having to follow your orders as a soldier… Wow, where do you live? I’m moving there…
“Freedom is not free, but ignorance is superabundant!”
fuzzenaval 8 months ago
@smallyb2009 the brits are just as bad....we are both under the same control
angrynhpatriot 6 months ago
@smallyb2009 canadians still have better evrey thing
99hockeynhl 5 months ago
canada=fa18
usa=fa15
99hockeynhl 5 months ago
@99hockeynhl Actually, the Canadian version of the F/A-18 is the CF-18 (officially designated CF-188), the American F-15 can be one of many versions, including the "Strike Eagle", there are many different "sub-versions" of these aircraft, including the "Super Hornet" version of the hornet, it is actually a different aircraft, it is just using the same design as the standard hornet, on steroids, and slightly larger.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@smallyb2009
True. And we have wikileaks among others to prove that.
kledder2 4 months ago
3:28 Hahaha. An army cowboy hat. Never seen that before. So much for uniformity.
kledder2 4 months ago
@kledder2 That is not a cowboy hat, or anything like it, it is a form of service cap called a boonie cap, ir is more like a tilly hat, than a cowboy hat, it is soft and flexible, if you have ever seen or worn a cowboy hat, you will know they are not exactly soft and flexible.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@skatecubed
I see you know your hats. Interesting... I wonder if that makes you a hatman?
kledder2 4 months ago
@kledder2 No, it just means I don't talk out of my ass if I don't actually have the faintest clue what I am talking about. I also served with military personal as a civilian instructor. BTW, the "hat" as you incorrectly call it, is an issue item, part of the uniform, so much for your "So much for uniformity." comment. Just some advice, take it or leave it, stick to commenting on crap you know something about.
skatecubed 4 months ago
@skatecubed
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know you were going to cry about it. Maybe your "serving" took a little to much on you? You know, they have these really good psychologists these days.
kledder2 4 months ago
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@kledder2 oh great, another clown........
skatecubed 4 months ago
ALL pilots had the same trouble finding legit military targets once the Libyan air defenses and obvious weapons were wiped. Not really unique to Canadians
GeorgeW6 11 months ago
@pebblelake1 the landcaster crews couldnt fight for survival they were sitin duks they had MGs but that didnt do squat, and in landcaster crew interviews most felt bad for the bombing of german civilians but they still went through with their missions even in densley poopulated areas even when it ment usin incendiaries. these pilots were ordered to save civilians, but they were given an order and their @55 belongs to the rcaf and wether or not it goes against mandate they cant refuse an order.
MarineMike97 11 months ago
This is really good news.
OsamaBinForgotten2 11 months ago
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AlexanderAdam3 11 months ago
@pebblelake1 its war, we have to get over it people are going to die, we can only lower that #. how do u think the landcaster crews flying over germany felt? they literaly droped millions of tons of bombs likely not even hiting legitiment targets of oppertunity either civilian, or non civilian. they probably killed more civies than bad enemy combatants. besides we now have precision guided munitions to minimize death and they only drop what one or two of them? its not like they are dropin a nuke
MarineMike97 11 months ago
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@MarineMike97 I'm guessing, but Gaddafi must have slaughtered more than 800,000 civilians to date for the UN to justify the intervention. Such an atrocity unfolded in Africa, between the Hutus & the Tutsis in the Rwandan Genocide of 1994, the Hutu extremists killed an estimated 800,000 Rwandans, mostly Tutsis. Did the UN intervene...NO!!
The United Nations aren't sincerely interested in the welfare of the people in Libya, they are motivated by greedy self interest!! What's that 3 letter word?
veganath 11 months ago
@MarineMike97 I realise that the concept of judging a situation and deciding not to fire because it would cause too many civilian casualties, is completely alien to American military forces and the people in charge of them. If you can't grasp that, at least try to remember that we're over there to try to save civilian lives. You're under the misguided impression that this is WW3.
strakha0 11 months ago
@strakha0 no im not i realize the exact situat and no matter what you do no matter how hard people try, there will always be inocent people dieing, and im not saying its WW3 WW2 or WW1 where its hectact, im saying people will always die.by the way, my name gave it up didnt it?I was in the marines and Ik there will always be people dieing, and i accept that and so i tried to avoid it and it worked pretty damn well.Im sayin these pilots should frankly get over it and do their job or others may die
MarineMike97 11 months ago
@MarineMike97 I assumed you are either a marine, or some nutter ;) Glad to see it's the former.
That it is easier to blow up a target on a computer screen is too true. If you walk into a village and kill everyone with a machine gun, you're going to have a major case of PTSD, whereas a thousand feet up with a smart missile... I highly doubt that they just lacked the nerve, because you're right, it doesn't take much. We shouldn't draw conclusions when we don't know the situation.
strakha0 11 months ago
@strakha0 of course, your right its a hell of a lot easier. all they c through even the monitor is just white blobs moving and a dark green outline.thats why im wondering why they cant do their mission to me thats b.s, i dont like to see people die but ik it will always happen. the problem i think is just the fact they aint redy to kill.the rcaf i dont think is that prepared for war.not to say it applies for the whole cf hel their lite infantry is one of the more well trained it even impreses me
MarineMike97 11 months ago
@MarineMike97 In the first Iraq war, Britain had more casualties in friendly fire incidents with America, and most of that was coming from the air. I agree that sometimes in war unintended casualties are inevitable. I'm just saying you got to be more careful in situations such as these, than other types of warfare. For all we know it might have been the correct decision not to fire. Not much point in us being there if we hit the wrong people.
strakha0 11 months ago
@strakha0 tru but within evry war is a secondary war and that secondary war is a media war.look at us we are arguing about an incident about this war and you even think as well as me that we shouldnt be there if we kill the wrong people if this never happend we wouldn't be talking and wondering if this bombing of libya is important. if they just sucked it up for lack of a better term and shoot at what was intended, the secondary war would be almost be won.it dont mater wether it was rite to not.
MarineMike97 11 months ago
@MarineMike97 Well, if we don't tread carefully, we'll lose our support for this with the Arab league. Do you know anything more about the reason why they didn't fire (other than being pussies)? I don't. It makes it kind of hard to judge. Were there school children up on the roof waving flags, or were they worried about hitting some guy 30 miles away?
strakha0 11 months ago
@strakha0 im pretty sure it was near an urban area, at night time, and they were a couple thousacnd feet above and just decided not to. its too risky to do it in daytime because of anti air and they probably didnt even look through the screen or arm their weapons. so yes i believe they just werent psychologically ready to drop a bomb on likely a legitiment target.
MarineMike97 11 months ago
@MarineMike97 There is something I need to clear up: do you accept that after being given the mission and coords, that there are situations where it is not appropriate to fire?
What is needed at the very least to judge this situation is the pilot's reason why he did not fire. Whatever your experiences I find it hard to take seriously the view that fighter jet pilots are "Pussies". In addition, I find the idea that people measure their manhood by their willingness to kill disturbing.
strakha0 11 months ago
@strakha0 there are certain situations on the ground where we know not to fire because it was too close to civies, as in the same building as them where they may acidently get hit by our giant b1tch slap of fire. when i was in the marines airstrikes would almost never come unless it was absolutly necesary, as in a sniper or a major "problem", as in tanks(which i never encountered) and larger enemy encampments. the reason y grunts are good at their job is because we r trained to kill and not dwel
MarineMike97 11 months ago
@MarineMike97 Despite my own personal avoidance of violence (but not inability - ex police and several years of martial arts), I find the subject of war fascinating. I would kill if the choice was me or him, but by joining up this is a situation you find yourself in on a regular basis.
I've heard very few personal accounts of modern warfare; I bet you have some interesting stories to tell. Thanks for sharing, and if you ever feel like saying more feel free to drop me a message :)
strakha0 11 months ago
meh its the airforce, every airforce is made up of just a buncha pussies. example:"of crap the cables out! this sucks, i gotta fix this fast!" i know they dont want to kill civilians but hell, it will always happen, that is fact of war no one can deny it, but you'd think not even being able to see the damn bombs in person not on a screen would ease the stress. besides they are precision guided munitions ment to kill the bunker but not destroy the hospital beside it, for f%c*s sake its not a nuke
MarineMike97 11 months ago
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OH, all the Liberals are saying we are not killing innocent people or children in this WAR!!! Oh, I mean not WAR!!!
crazymike44 11 months ago
This is pure psychological operarions disinfo on the part of the Canadian military. From 10,000 feet good guys cannot be distinguished from bad guys. Get over it Canada, we are now a war making country. Peace keeping is a thing of the past and this kind of propaganda will not change that. There is no such thing as compassionate bombing.
MrDrewlips 11 months ago
I lived up there in queerbeck for 18 years, setup lots of industry, created many jobs, but in 77, I setup the head office in montreal, design studios in montreal, ottawa, and orlando, then declared an enemy of the guvernment of quebec, and told to leave the province, I was thinking they had confused me with some one else, fighting them in court for 15 years, seeing the ethnic cleansing of anglos from quebec, because of collusion with russia attempting to breakup canada, has thusfar failed.
lassiecox 11 months ago
As far as I'm concerned, this entire CBC clip is a psychological operation, designed to get you to support the armed forces. How? Look at the comments. So many of you are PROUD now. You feel pride, that somehow Canada and Canadians are better than those warmongering Americans. "We've got the kinder, gentler, machine-gun hand" is how Neil Young put it. Truth is, we shouldn't be in Libya. We shouldn't be buying more war equipment. And it's far worse that we feel good about ourselves while we do.
ArtificialEntity 11 months ago
@ArtificialEntity RIGHT! You have also in CANADA those Steve Harper's ISRAEL and NATO goals backing Conservative fascist assholes. People who have suppressed INDIANS in Canada also,,,,,
PNACATTACKdotCOM 11 months ago
@PNACATTACKdotCOM True. Oh Canada! Our stolen native land. True patriot love in few of thy sons command. With glowing hearts we see thee rise the true north strong and free(?) From far and wide Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee(and Libya and Afghanistan and wherever else we get sent by the NWO) God keep our land glorious and free (cuz we sure can't do it) Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee! (Don't believe it? Let's say it again) Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee! (Whew feel better now!)
ArtificialEntity 11 months ago
@ArtificialEntity Well I'm sorry that you think having integrity is part of some evil master plan.
BoredomCorner 11 months ago
@BoredomCorner Did I say that having integrity is part of some evil master plan? Hold on a sec lemme just scroll up and take a look. NOPE. Didn't say that. Now let me just take a look at the definition of Integrity on the online dictionary - Wholeness; uprightness; honesty or soundness of moral principle and character. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code; The state of being wholesome..Hey that sounds like me! SO THAT'S WHY I'm against war and murder! I have INTEGRITY! THANKS!
ArtificialEntity 11 months ago
canadian francias should have had a kind way with the 600,000 anglo quebec citizens thay ethnically cleansed from quebec from 1979 until now, ending their businesses, schools, in many cases, the families, and all those incarcereded who opposed their tyranny---la belle province fights a war---eh ? There could well be one on the horizon, I wonder if they will become proislamic then ? eh ?
lassiecox 11 months ago
the military doesn't bomb civilian targets
lassiecox 11 months ago
@lassiecox really? Are you sure of that? Just ask the UN and NATO I'm sure they would love to put a bullet in your head.
IKeepMyLipsZipped 11 months ago
@lassiecox It happens all the time. Ask the people of Palestine.
BoredomCorner 11 months ago
@brickandfanal
Again, although we didn’t declare war on Iraq in 2003 and publicly ‘didn’t participate’ we still sent a number of Canadian Forces personnel to serve actively in Iraq, around 150 troops/peacekeepers. “In all, 40 to 50 Canadian military members participated in the conflict.” (Wikipedia).
rm02px 11 months ago
@rm02px 50 Canadian military “participating” to the conflict? What you really mean is observing. With such a ridiculous small number, I’m not sure that they were enough to even carry theirs own weight, much less having any significant effect on the issue of the war. This is all the better because the supposed weapons of mass destruction own by Iraq were never found. The US did start the war on this claim.
brickandfanal 11 months ago
@brickandfanal
With that said, as admirable and well-hearted your intentions are, I agree with most of your concerns but the problem is your lack of knowledge when it comes to historical fact.The reason for war seems to exploit another country’s resources for the gain of the invader; the imperialistic gain of the crusader themselves. This type of barbarian logic: dropping bombs for peace and taking what's not yours at the expense of impoverishing one’s people for the few to prosper is --- wrong.
rm02px 11 months ago
@rm02px This IS about controlling resources. Look at the numbers of foreigners that has been pull back. A few hundreds of French and Italians and a few tens of Brits and others country. Nothing compare to the +30000 Chinese. Libya was building her infrastructure in overdrive speed with her abundant petrodollars, mainly with China. US, UK and France came too late, and find themselves with a very small share of the pie. How convenient to overthrow Gadhafi, and replace those Chinese.
brickandfanal 11 months ago
@brickandfanal
No need to convince me, I already know the current reason behind these "imperialistic crusades of war:" The exploitation of natural resources by building 'infrastructure' that only benefits the extraction of these resources into the hands of the imperialists. It is pretty obvious nowadays what's happening.
rm02px 11 months ago
@brickandfanal
Does it really matter? The fact is clear: Canada participated in some form or fashion, whether for peacekeeping (observing) or in military tactical situations is conjecture. To deem it as "insignificant," is to undermine the Canadian Forces themselves. And certainly I'd be the last to advocate such unpatriotic rhetoric especially in light of our brilliant tactics and ingenuity used at Vimy Ridge during WWII. Although classic it underscores our efficiency in small numbers.
rm02px 11 months ago
As a Canadian i am ashamed that we are even there in the first place...... though its very good to hear this news that they refused there orders.
IlluminatiSeer 11 months ago 2
@IlluminatiSeer As a Canadian I am NOT the slightest bit ashamed our people are there. They FOLLOWED orders To the Letter,as usual. The pilots are ordered to use their own judgement on approach to target. Possible civilian risks -Back with your full load. The U.S. I believe the same -also Brits, French, Danes, Norwegians and so on. I guess we're all or mostly computer type opinions and don't have to make those real life calls. Opinions are like assholes I guess -everyone has one including me ;)
BSpiritor 11 months ago
we like peace
gerryboy101 11 months ago
3 communities you see in yellow? I see 4...
DrinkSkateSleep 11 months ago
Why Canadians are fighting this war?
1) We have no business with Libya or so little.
2) Under Gadhafi, Libya have reached the highest HDI of the continent (Human development Index)
3) Since when Canada rush in to implement UN resolution? Israel has violated 55 times UN resolution since 1956. What is that double standard?
4) Should we need to wear down our old F18 to justify new super expensive F35 fighters? We have others problems to address $
brickandfanal 11 months ago 2
@brickandfanal
Where ever the US fights, we fight. Simple. No other reason than that.
rm02px 11 months ago
@rm02px Canada hasn’t participated to Vietnam War, or the second Gulf War. Why Canada should pay the economic and military price of the US external politic? Didn’t we have our lesson with Afghanistan? That country has become the biggest opium producer in the world. What about human development for that country? Or criminality associated with heroin?
Gadhafi is the least corrupt leaders of the Africa. Under his watch Libya have reach the highest human development index of the continent.
brickandfanal 11 months ago
@brickandfanal
Let’s get one thing straight here. I’m not advocating war in any shape or form I’m simply stating the facts. Canada seems to follow the US when the US justifies going to war. In Vietnam, Canada “sent a small number of national forces in 1973 to help enforce the Paris Peace Accords.” (Wikipedia). During 90’s in the Gulf War (Desert Storm Operation) Canada was part of US-led joint collation. Canada was one of the first nations to condemn the invasion in the 1991 Iraq invasion.
rm02px 11 months ago
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rm02px 11 months ago
I can't believe the negative remarks some make here. Your attitude contributes to the hell earth has become.
landlogger 11 months ago
We are proud and motivated to be part of this wall (war?) ,,, We are here to defend canada's moral value's.. Lybia is a Muslim country in Africa. It doesn't need canadian marals and value's!
yoon1001 11 months ago
have you seen the Navy Whistleblower? here is the link
phildrice 11 months ago
I support smashing Gaddafi where it hurts the most, without making him a martyr. I want him in a spider hole wondering what's going to happen right up to the point that we drop one down his chimney. Lockerbie
Gyre07 11 months ago
Harper you fucking fool.
How dare you send our troops to partake in this clear attack on Libya's sovereignty. This is going to be like the Egypt/Israeli war where the U.N "stepped in" to help, and stole the Suez Canal. Don't let these scumbags get involved.
NeutralExistence 11 months ago
@NeutralExistence Don't worry harper will be gone soon.
DrinkSkateSleep 11 months ago
@DrinkSkateSleep
Yes, but who will replace him?
Another corporate lawyer, who will sell us out to "American" corporations through NAFTA, and send our soldiers to wars that the people don't want them to fight? I know I will not be voting for our 4 main parties when the election comes, they are no better then the "American" two party scam they have there.
NeutralExistence 11 months ago
@NeutralExistence I have confidence in Jack Layton. I know he won't win, but that's where my vote's gonna go.
DrinkSkateSleep 11 months ago
@DrinkSkateSleep
I am sorry, but NDP is not a viable solution to our problems.
They are part of the "divide, and conquer" scam that gives the illusion of leaders that will make real change, and just like the Conservatives they will simply sell us out to "American" corporations.
We need to vote for a party that is not part of the big 4, and put the little guy back in power.
Just like in "America" we need an independent party, enough with the old games of left/right.
NeutralExistence 11 months ago
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@NeutralExistence Well that will be tough.
DrinkSkateSleep 11 months ago
propaganda they are still there bombing, spending my tax dollars to kill innocent people..i am sick of it...the day is coming canada when your lies will be exposed and we kick the queen the fuck out of our peice of dirt. along with all this political correctness bullshit
yappertrap 11 months ago
propaganda! and this pilot is brainwashed!
vakica018 11 months ago