Wow food is that bad? I've shopped at whole foods. But grass fed beef and free range chicken is soo expensive. Whole foods is great but I only get like 2-3 paper bags full of food for $80.00.
I've heard of trader joes doing organic stuff so I'll see if they have one in my area. So I hope it's not too pricey. Oh yeah, you should totally do a vid on diet and food choices.
Srry, but my iPhone's YouTube app doesn't let me reply to ppl. That said, I see what you mean. I guess anything that elicits that growth response. Would you recommend a paleo diet like many cross fitters do? That's is a low or no carb, high amounts of veggies and fruits, and a bunch of meat??
@tatsumakisempyukaku yes I would advocate a low carb diet for sure. I think unless you go 100% organic on the meat it's not worth buying because the quality of processed meat chicken ect is just terrible, full of water maltodextrin and dextrose. Also cooking any meat will kill 65% of the protein making it useless the body look it up. Dont get me started I could go on all night about this \o/
Was this video demonstrating H.I.T.? I thought the rep cadence was supposed to be slower than what dude in the video was doing. I thought it was a 4-5 sec positive contraction, then a 2-3 sec isometric hold when appropriate, then a 4-5 sec negative contraction??
@tatsumakisempyukaku most ppl use some sort of abbreviation of HIT never 100% the way mentzer laid it out, you get in to a groove, use, inplement what works for you, there is no one HIT routine.
@LanceBeckman --Irrelevant, he will never be a Samir or a Dorian, in a few months he will turn back to HIT and then some other routine after that. But when you think of it, so many high volume lifters are nobodies when your talking of the average lifter, run fast away from anyuthing that is overtraining--regardless of training style.
@LanceBeckman Yeh bro, why is it all these so called HIT guys have videos where there busting out 8,10 reps x multiple sets exactally the opposite what they say to do. I tried HIT a while back, I got a really strong 1 rep max and had no muscle gains or visual results. The it occurred to me, HIT is power lifting, lifting extremely heavy weight for ultra low reps. When HIT doesent work your always doing something wrong, not breathing right or something,GTFO. Friggin get hurt.
@sz42781 saying HIT don’t work is like saying weights don’t work, you mean it didn’t work for you. your not always doing something wrong with HIT if you know what you’re doing, you will not get hurt no more than with another training program, HITs not power lifting at all, just because you got stronger on your 1RM, how's it power lifting when you can use a rep range of anything up to 15? Have you read Mike Mentzer HIT or Stuart MC Robot Beyond Brawn if not read them. or give DC a go.
@LanceBeckman it's not funny at all, its a good thing to change any program, i do it all the time, but i never use conventional training for more that 3 weeks, im loving DC at the min.
@LAKERSORG type in mike mentzer HIT he has a video showing a version of HIT
HIT - is high intensity i just started it and im stunned , i do a 4 day split first 2 volume 2nd end of the week HIT , i probally should switch it but basically your pushing with all you have and super setting it with slow movement focusing on contraction definitely will need a spotter
I'll say one thing for sure - Im Leaner, Much Harder, More Symmetrical, and just as big and strong doing HIT compared to traditional volume training. Its really funny to me actually.
so let me ask you guys this:... do you think that HIT training is as beneficial to an average sized person, versus the average sized bodybuilder?? Dugdale is, what, 5'6" at best?? but an average sized person like myself, who is about 6'1", would be tall in the bodybuilding world...with much 'longer' muscles... I just don't see it working the way some people expect..
Serious Strength Training by Tudor Bompa. Anyone seriously involved in resistance training should get this book. It addresses every important issue with science. The only way to train for me.
hey clik clik, you train very briefly, with as much effort as you can, very 'intensely' because you do this you would not be able to do hi volume sets, with HIT your workout may be only 4 sets, say 2 for back and 2 for chest after a light warmup, you use things like forced reps and negative reps to completely take as far as possible the muscle to failure, in fact your workout may be only in effect 2 sets one set for back one for chest, thats it, but there are variations on this theme
wait a second, he worked out 2 hours a day for 5 days a week and his body recovered without problems. I say bullshit you cant recover that quickly unless you take steroids.
@teliosteroide couldn't agree more: I understand some people can recover better from volume then others (this is based on the "we are all unique and special" Mr. Rodgers sentiment) but come on, two hours for 5 days a week is an extreme - common sense here people. Even the top bodybuilders in the world will suggest beginners (us/those not as huge) not to use the volume they do - we may be able to lift the same weight (prolly not, but maybe) but not the sheer volume - jeezze i wonder why....
well said, i only use the gym 2 days a week and run 1 day a week outside. before when i went 5 days a week i just got injured and felt tired all the time. Less is more
all ok except the mumbo jumbo about keeping the body/muscle guessing!! your muscle cells do not have any consciousness that says oh hes doing bench press again so i dont think i will cooperate and grow!! you can do the same exercises for the rest of your life, but it would be boring!, progressive intensity is the key + decent diet and enough reovery time (as long as one is natural) the rest is surplus mumbo jumbo
@thatwilldonicely to a certain extent, yes - and this current fetish with "muscle confusion" (p90x, for example) is somewhat illogical - but do remember, your body adapts based on the different stresses placed on it - place the same stress on it over and over again, and your only going to get the benefits of that certain stress - common sense is usefull here
jay does not do 2 to 3 sessions of weight train 2 our of three are cardio. Jay does less reps more weight and more sets. Jay is the biggest guy on stage he just won the Olympia. This subject is so fucking stupid how can everyone argue about ways of training. Everyone is different. Honestly volume is the hardest because u have to know what u doing so u dont burn ur self out.
i used to do high intensity volume training, volume was time:45 mins. on one body part top shoulder head, in one month i doubled its size, working from 15 -25 lbs and then it was np, try HIT Volume training instead of just HIT/volume training its the ahrdest thing youl ever try, then youl know what courage is.
@weightlifter210 yeah but Dorian is one of the best to ever live and he does HIT so dont get me wrong i love Cutler but when you have both Mentzer and Dorian claiming/claim that HIT is the way to go, i think i will lean towards it.
@afterthefact15 yeah but volume train is good to use by anyone for a change. actually almost all of the bodybuilders do volume train before a competition. It give you quicker gains and you are doing more sets with lighter weight so its good for people who have joint problems or i use to give my joints a rest. Im 21, at 220 with 10% body fat so something is working.
@afterthefact15 well dorian is good but i wouldnt say hes is one of the best to ever live. he actuall has along line to be in. Arnold, lee haney, coleman are without question the best.
@weightlifter210 dude six olympias come on the guy revolutionized bodybuilding. i mean after Lee Dorian came out of nowhere looking freaking humongous dwarfing the comp. Lee was big but lacked the complete thickness Dorian had even though Lee won more olympias. and for Arnold, the guy lucked out with his timing in bodybuilding he was big but lacked lower abs and his back was not proportionate thickness wise compared to his front upperbody and his legs were thin also. he was cut though.
@afterthefact15 Frank Zane is my personal favorite bodybuilder...Zane openly stated that if he had it to do all over he would train in HIT style! That's the style of lifting he uses now. Plain and simply put, less is more!
@afterthefact15 I train every other day. Once a week wouldn't cut it (for me)! I do a full body workout starting with legs, I give my body a full 24 hour period of rest between sessions in the gym.
@scorpionkings yeah man i dont know how mentzer only trained once a week, i mean i freaking destroy myself in the gym as much as possible going well beyond exhaustion and still find recovery time quicker than a week.
He did but the workout he did on that one day is mind numbing, I'm still a beginner on HIT sessions but I'm a believer I never felt so defeated from lifting weights in my life and the weights were relatively low too Metzer on the other hand when he did weights he nearly used the entire stack,
The thing is he used to train more often when he was younger, but as he got older and bigger and stronger, he had to slow down in order to keep his muscles mass and to keep making gains. Had he kept training like he used to, he would've becomed overtrained. This is not the case for those who have trained fewer years, but only for those who have reached their peak.
@hellspawnds good point - the reason for this is the fact that when you begin, you simply do not tax your recovery system nearly as much (squatting 225 for 8 in your first year compared to 450 for 8 in your fifith year for example) - I mean lord, that over 200 pounds more weight - you can make your muscles grow, but making our nervous/endocorine systems grow at the same pace without chemical assistance is extrememly difficult, it not impossible
@weightlifter210 jay cultler spends 2 3 and 4 sesionns in the gym each day lol for 2-3 hours a session. i reckon he' s wasting his time doing all that unnecessary work.
@wealreadyknow88 Amen brother. I love to tell that to my training partners. Muscles have no "thinking" or white or grey matter. They are there to contract and that is all.
There is ONLY one way to train, as skeletal muscle is stimulated to grow in one direct, efficient way. Extra sets and exercises is total garbage.
most people dont stay on a routine long enough for an adaption to even occur. they change it before the maximize their results. you should stick with someone until it doesnt work then change it. dont change it before your results stop because chances are you can see results a lot longer than you think but magazines and trainers tell you to vary every workout and thats just stupid because you cant gauge progress if you always change your workout
The key? Do what works for you and listen to your body. Try different things to see what works best to make you the strongest (strength and/or endurance) person physically you can be and remain healthy.
@sarahjf2007 - he is not natural, but it is hard to put a ceiling on the natural body. look at Jim Cordova, he is natural and his physique is very impressive.
I train 2-3 hours a day. Yeah it seems like over training but if you see results and can recover properly why not? its only over training if you feel like shit and don't gain.
@moneymakerabc You should be able to stimulate your muscles in 1.5 hours max. Unless your not focused and talking and being a lazy fucker in the gym, train with intensity...2-3 hrs in the gym to me is over training unless your on gear, lol.
@superwowie111 - If you can get the same growth and progress in only a hour doesn't seem more logical to do that. Dorian believed intensity equals growth. He compared it to running, you can only sprint for a short period before you have to jog. I just started HIT training -- I enjoy it, but do try different things and incorporate methods into your training as you see fit.
Yeah. Doesn't really matter how long you train. If you can get the job done in 45mins or 3 hours as long as you're training properly and intensely and not sacrificing rest or anything it doesn't really matter.
i think 1. different people prefer and need different volumes of training, but also 2. different muscle groups for one person can require different volumes.
for instance i can get away with ten total sets of chest and still notice pretty decent progress in a short period of time. However for shoulders I like to do about 20 sets. even though they're a smaller muscle group than chest i still see more progress with higher volume training. idk. maybe i just have odd genetics :)
'anyone searching youtube for training advice is of normal genetics'? That comment is just plain wrong. To determine that you would have to know everyone who ever searched youtube for training advice. i'd bet some of them had above average genetics.
why are their arms so short???? oh yeah... they're the midgets that have taken over what bodybuilding is " supposed to look like" in the last several years.... that's what we all wanted comic book hero's to look like, right? a 5'8" midget..
@revskull You are one of the biggest morons i've ever seen on youtube. So in your ideal world, you put height restrictions on wether people are allowed to bodybuild or not? Your fucking pathetic, it's obviouse you are just some lanky weedy beanpole who is jealous of others who are better built than you. Stop hating and start worrying about your own appearance before mocking others.
That all training methods are equally valid is a myth perpetuated by publishers of magazines. That way they can publish and sell a greater volume of articles of varying training methods.
There are great bodybuilders out there who have built their physiques using volume workouts, but would they have achieved greater muscularity using a low volume HIT approach? Mentzer believed this to be so.
The more time spent in the gym, the more drugs needed for recovery.
if you're looking for muscle size, you either train low volume, high intensity or fail. genetic freaks and steroid users not included. the high volume methods of the 1980s were bull shit and only suited to gear users.
to IDMWEIGHTS: the reason the pros have found success is because they'rel ifting heavy weights to failure, the main tenets of High intensity training. think about it: when you see branch warren or jay cutler do a "pyramid" set, where they start light for one set and work their weight up to their max, what they're doing, until they start descending the pyramid, IS High intensity training.
when they go to failure (IF they do, and many don't, but approach it, surely) they've completed the one set of maximum intensity effort required to stimulate muscle growth. numerous studies have shown that one set is all that is necessary, and anything over that is OVERTRAININ BAYBEH. but of course, when you do steroids, you can train a lot harder than the average, "natural" individual, AND muscle growth is easier to attain. double whammy.
lol volume training is good for sports specific training. low rep high weight is good for bodybuilding. it's quite simple actually. large muscle doesn't necessarily mean strong muscle though
Low sets, or low reps? in either case, non is used in HIT.
only 1 set, and sometimes not even a 'set'
secondly, u are allowed to try different rep ranges... but its not about that... its about finding how u can increase intensity, not reps or sets for that matter.
dorian and mark,the two most famous curent users of hit,their arms are their weakest point.Please learn about bb before you ask questions,not being mean its just ive gotten into arguements with peopl that dont know tthe difference between strong man and bodybuilding
Heavy/Hard training, low frequency, lower-then-normal volume in my opinion is superior to traditional training.
I find it funny that Ronnie was average up until he won Mr. Olympia. The year leading up to his first Mr. Olympia win he gain 40lbs of muscle.......but didn't change his training and eating habits! What does this tell you?......
Most likely Ronnie upped the drug intake...BIG TIME. So it isn't Ronnie's training routine, but his drug intake and genetics that made him successful.
@Ja71178 Yes you are so right, he upped his HGH so much, thats why his gut increased in size not food intake(which is said to be the reason bollocks). i believe these days its drugs drugs drugs, and less importance on training!!
@Ja71178 yeah yeah yeah blame it on drugs, like none of the other body builders forgot to take them or if not drugs then genes. Yeah he out gened them all or out doped them all lol.
@SR4LosersIsMYBITCH Not necessarily, there is plenty of research that shows that 1 set works just as well as multiple sets. And from a logical standpoint, single set to failure makes the most sense - how else will you maximally stimulate the fast-twitch muscle fibers most capable of growth?
@Ja71178 pros nowadays have shit that we regular joes havent even heard of. They have probably started to inject shitloads of follstatin by now and other nice cocktails.
Volume and intensity are both important, if your not intense... well there's no reason for any adaptions to occur. Volume works well for sarcoplasmic size. Intensity doesn't have to be balls out, it can be 1 rep short of failure and aslong as the weights are flying up at a good rep range, you'll pack on size, maybe not though if you eat like a squirrel. If you do forced reps , rest pause etc and it allows fast progression with the weights, go for it if you can recover.
The reality is that different bodybuilders all used different methods and obtained results. Arnold, Ferrigno, Mentzer, Haney, Yates, Coleman, Jackson, etc all used different workouts. To say any one method is best is crap, or else no one would achieve results but those using "the one". The only true thing said by Dugdale here is that the body takes longer to recover as it ages. This low volume method works for him...but find what works for YOU!
Glad there are other people out there that don't go overboard after hearing one guys workout just because he achieved a great physique with it. I need to add that Dugdale was correct about one other point...the body needs things switched up to continue growth.
I never said intensity wasn't important. Intensity is quite important regardless of high or low volume training. That proof lies in the gym everyday when you see the same people working out but not making much progress because they are just going through the motion.
Exactly, but what I was trying to say is that all the different methods you mentioned came down to the highest intensity workouts. And this is the basis of HIT, intensity over volume. The guys that grew on volume just had a great tolerance for it, but they never sacrificed intensity over it.
So, what I was saying is that there is actually "one" aspect that rules success in training, which is high intensity.
Guys like Arnold and Ronnie most likely just took more drugs to help recover from all the volume.
I find it funny that Ronnie was small up until he won Mr. Olympia. The year leading up to his first Mr. Olympia win he gain 40lbs of muscle.......but didn't change his training and eating habits! What does this tell you?......
Most likely Ronnie upped the drug intake...BIG TIME. So it isn't Ronnies training routine, but his drug intake and genetics that made him successful.
yup, ronnie is on the drugs big time... he takes 5 prescription drugs just to keep his kidneys and liver kicking over, not to mention cholesterol and anti-inflammatories + all the steroids, growth hormones, and research drugs like serms, anti-estrogens etc etc list goes on,
i wonder if hes on insulin aswell... who knows... bodybuilding has just become a drug infested shit pile, where its more then just getting in the gym and working and eating hard. its how hard can u pin aswell..
all the examples you used are steroid users with 1-in-a-million genetics, nothing to do with real life training at all. if you're drug free and of normal genetics (any one searching youtube for training advice is) then you need to use low volume. high volume is a farce. once you've stimulated growth, go home and rest. going 20, 30, 40% more than what's needed will just double recovery time.
what makes the muscle grow (hypertrophy) and keep in mind no one anywhere will argue this.
is that you progressively overload the muscle (progressively life heavier weights over time.
keep in mind u dont need to lift heavier weights each and every workout, but if you after, lets say 1 year of lifting, you aren't ANY stronger with the same weight, you AREN"t growing.
@deadman315x i would say that progression every workout is the key to getting bigger and stronger without dout. you need togive your body a reason to change.it may be 2 reps or 4lbs but it must be done.
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Every workout I'm always striving to get stronger than I was on the last workout! I train every other day, I do two exercises each body part, one set per exercise to failure (or as close to failure as possible, since I train alone). When I trained the old way (meaning splitting up my body parts & doing 3 to 5 sets each exercise I was going no where until I discovered a book by Ellington Darden).
@deadman315x What would make you think I didn't already know that little bit of information you just wrote? I think you missed the entire point of my comment.
@deadman315x Of course that is obvious what you say. My point is that there shouldn't be any one method that everybody should stick with all the time and that different people achieve the same results using different methods. If HIT was the only thing that worked, then Dugdale & anyone else who uses HIT would be the only people to be muscular & fit. Well all we have to do is look around us in the gym to see lots of people in shape & no 2 people use the same workout method to become that way.
@deadman315x do you even workout??The amount of weight you use after a year has nothing to do with growing. This is BODYBUILDING not strength training. The measurements of any sort of numbers that show your are growing is the look of the muscle bellies, measurements of each muscle, your own weight on a scale in relation to bodyfat, and then the amount of weight you use (which for most bodybuilders is compound movements) Sure you can't become bigger without becoming stronger but that's not all
@deadman315x It always has to be brought to the level of insults right?! I am quite educated without you. Apparently YOU don't know how the body works. I have a Masters Degree in Physical Therapy as well as 25 years of weight training and conditioning experience. The body is far more resourceful than you give it credit for & everyone responds differently to different weight training techniques. That is why even if you progressively overload in your example everyone will reach a plateau at some~
@deadman315x ~(part 2) point. That is why workouts continually need to be changed up. High volume, low volume, powerlifting, high reps lighter weight, low reps heavy weight, supersets, compound sets, circuit training, etc. All techniques need to be employed to constantly stimulate growth. Some techniques will be more part of a regular workout than others but it still needs to be mixed up. So again i say, find what works for you to produce results. You have been educated now.
I've started HIT and I find it to be a love-hate relationship, progress is quick but the workout although brief is incredibly tough toughest workout I've ever done as a matter of fact. I had to sit down and rest at the end of it for about 2 minutes I was so whipped, and the time before that I was on the floor
@SolidSnake0023 I use HIT from time to time also. It is definitely a great training method & just as tough on the body as any other intense workout, but it is certainly not the only way to achieve results. As I've said in previous posts & replies, if HIT was the only thing that worked then only people who use HIT would be muscular, fit & in shape.
no it isn't it's more of a preference then anything, if your type of guy who is willing to put up with sheer intensity in exchange for quick muscle then this is the workout for you. Matter of fact I've already gained about 2 pounds of muscle already (went from 149.8 lb. to 151.8 lb. within a week and I can tell it's not fat because I'm starting to look leaner and my biceps look bigger then before) and that was from 3 workouts in a row. The key though is the aftermath though.
IMO I think as long as you are getting blood into the muscles, and breaking down the muscle fibers, that you will see results, depending on your goals. being that said, your diet and recovery needs to be on key point for you to maximize your full potential. so HIT, HOSS, German Volume Training, Doggcrap, FST-7, Powerlifting, Bodybuilding, Strongman, etc... I personally will switch up my workouts, 4 weeks of hypertrophy, followed by 1 week rest, then 4 weeks powerlifting. Keep your body guessing!
Cant say that im a fan of HIT. i stick to the basics and the basics work and thats a fact, HIT if anything is under training. Keeping the workout intense is correct but you need to keep it intense for at least for 4 sets, not 1. mentzer was big but he was no priest, arnold or platz. you need to lift heavy, you need to lift for multiple sets, and you need to lift like theres no tomorrow. period
Yes but i also think that overtraining is more difficult than most people assume. I would suggest that humans are creative beings, we can't be doing the same shit day in day out forever. Variety is the spice of life. Otherwise we'd never ever cheat on our girlfriends would we? xD
Cheating on your Gf is not a virtue but a weakness - variety in life has nothing to do with being dishonest to someone else - go have an open relationship if you do then- as far as HIT goes...sure, have variety and go from what works best to what doesn't work so well..since your the cheating kind of guy, that only makes sense in your irrational mind to begin with - LOL - MR
My understanding is that if you don't do the same routine as what you did the week before how would you know that you have got bigger and stronger? You would have nothing to compare it to as accurately as you would have by doing the same work out a week later.
Your understanding is incorrect. Repeating the same movements over and over again will not serve your purpose. The human body is in a constant search for homeostasis, in the gym and out. Every exercise produces a different result and works the muscles differently. The only way to grow is to keep challenging your bodies understanding of how strong it needs to be in order to survive.
well just change the word "guessing" to "adapting"you change you're routin to stop the body adapting to what's happening to it, i dont think he meant guessing literally, its just a saying.
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM By constantly increasing weight on your lifts and reps you do, you ARE forcing your body to adapt. You do not need to change the routine. It doesn't make sense.
@TheGogija agreed for sure. It's a little known fact it seems that changing it up can be very small. Pretty much as small as simply altering a hand position a little.
Furthermore training becomes very boring doing the same exercises over and over again which result (in my case) in less motivation to train intense. Sorry for the long reply ;)
this part i agree with.. when you start putting off your workout days, you know you need to try something new for a while to at least keep your training consistent
Well first of all, in my mind everything could be debatable and certainly creating variety in your training is one of them. Without being a scientist I've experienced that I get better pumps and more pain when I create that variety (in my case not more than 2-3 sets per exercise and not the same one as during the previous workout).
There is no such thing as HIT. Its just volume training without counting the warm up sets. Its a chancers routine. Look at Yates with all his torn bodyparts. Only for the corrupt judges he would never have won so many titles.
maybe theres no such thing as volume??? if it was was your last set you would go all to failure wouldn't you well that is high intensity training only with HIT YOU DO it all in one set....the warm up sets are just to set you up and you only use a warm up set at the very beginning the rest of the work out is one set for every exercise
ive been working out for quite some time now and recently decided to take it more serious .can someone explain to me what HIT training is ? hmmm is that a noob question ,oh f*ck.
It's especially irritating when all you want to do is one set and the guy who is using the equipment you need still has 4 more sets to go!!! damn volume guys do piss me off lol.
muscles only grow one way. you don't get different shaped muscles training one way or the other. They already are set be genetics. They will only look different if they are more developed than before. it's like the "toned vs muscular" argument. it doesn't make sense. I "toned" muscle is just a less developed muscle, it's not like the muscle itself is a different shape.
he looks great but a bodybuilder who deside to get to a lower weight gatagory for being first?for me it's like being the "head of the fox pack insted the tail of the lions" that's why i think Mark Dugdale perhaps doesn't know how to train or eat right if he makes that decision.bodybuilding it's all about progress forword not going to a lower weight gatagory like a pussy.
i respect his achivements so fat but if he can't progress forword he sux and needs to kill himself.
Read what i said properly, more people should work harder meaning that he does in fact work hard for his gains and he doesn't just resort to lots of insulin, hgh and igf1 like alot of people do these days. Just for the record i like mark alot, i think you misunderstood what i said. Isn't silat some sort of martial art?
Wow food is that bad? I've shopped at whole foods. But grass fed beef and free range chicken is soo expensive. Whole foods is great but I only get like 2-3 paper bags full of food for $80.00.
I've heard of trader joes doing organic stuff so I'll see if they have one in my area. So I hope it's not too pricey. Oh yeah, you should totally do a vid on diet and food choices.
tatsumakisempyukaku 2 weeks ago
Srry, but my iPhone's YouTube app doesn't let me reply to ppl. That said, I see what you mean. I guess anything that elicits that growth response. Would you recommend a paleo diet like many cross fitters do? That's is a low or no carb, high amounts of veggies and fruits, and a bunch of meat??
tatsumakisempyukaku 2 weeks ago
@tatsumakisempyukaku yes I would advocate a low carb diet for sure. I think unless you go 100% organic on the meat it's not worth buying because the quality of processed meat chicken ect is just terrible, full of water maltodextrin and dextrose. Also cooking any meat will kill 65% of the protein making it useless the body look it up. Dont get me started I could go on all night about this \o/
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 weeks ago
Was this video demonstrating H.I.T.? I thought the rep cadence was supposed to be slower than what dude in the video was doing. I thought it was a 4-5 sec positive contraction, then a 2-3 sec isometric hold when appropriate, then a 4-5 sec negative contraction??
tatsumakisempyukaku 2 weeks ago
@tatsumakisempyukaku most ppl use some sort of abbreviation of HIT never 100% the way mentzer laid it out, you get in to a groove, use, inplement what works for you, there is no one HIT routine.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 weeks ago
Funny thing is, now Dugdale is back to training high-volume.
LanceBeckman 2 months ago
@LanceBeckman --Irrelevant, he will never be a Samir or a Dorian, in a few months he will turn back to HIT and then some other routine after that. But when you think of it, so many high volume lifters are nobodies when your talking of the average lifter, run fast away from anyuthing that is overtraining--regardless of training style.
Bergred 1 month ago
@LanceBeckman Yeh bro, why is it all these so called HIT guys have videos where there busting out 8,10 reps x multiple sets exactally the opposite what they say to do. I tried HIT a while back, I got a really strong 1 rep max and had no muscle gains or visual results. The it occurred to me, HIT is power lifting, lifting extremely heavy weight for ultra low reps. When HIT doesent work your always doing something wrong, not breathing right or something,GTFO. Friggin get hurt.
sz42781 1 month ago
@sz42781 saying HIT don’t work is like saying weights don’t work, you mean it didn’t work for you. your not always doing something wrong with HIT if you know what you’re doing, you will not get hurt no more than with another training program, HITs not power lifting at all, just because you got stronger on your 1RM, how's it power lifting when you can use a rep range of anything up to 15? Have you read Mike Mentzer HIT or Stuart MC Robot Beyond Brawn if not read them. or give DC a go.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 1 month ago
@LanceBeckman it's not funny at all, its a good thing to change any program, i do it all the time, but i never use conventional training for more that 3 weeks, im loving DC at the min.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 1 month ago
Will someone please give me a clear definition of HIT. And would this method work for a 6'2", 21 year old frame?
LAKERSORG 3 months ago
@LAKERSORG type in mike mentzer HIT he has a video showing a version of HIT
HIT - is high intensity i just started it and im stunned , i do a 4 day split first 2 volume 2nd end of the week HIT , i probally should switch it but basically your pushing with all you have and super setting it with slow movement focusing on contraction definitely will need a spotter
SNaRF66666666 2 months ago
the key to this guy size simply was steroids ! you simply cant get that big without some from of them
ExecutionerThe 3 months ago
I was going to watch this until I saw a smith machine. No Bueno.
armpitpolice 10 months ago
I'll say one thing for sure - Im Leaner, Much Harder, More Symmetrical, and just as big and strong doing HIT compared to traditional volume training. Its really funny to me actually.
99Sorc 10 months ago
Thanks for posting this video
Godsraptor 1 year ago
I'd smash his missis
dannyJmac1980 1 year ago
so let me ask you guys this:... do you think that HIT training is as beneficial to an average sized person, versus the average sized bodybuilder?? Dugdale is, what, 5'6" at best?? but an average sized person like myself, who is about 6'1", would be tall in the bodybuilding world...with much 'longer' muscles... I just don't see it working the way some people expect..
revskull 1 year ago
Serious Strength Training by Tudor Bompa. Anyone seriously involved in resistance training should get this book. It addresses every important issue with science. The only way to train for me.
Kreimehn 1 year ago
hey clik clik, you train very briefly, with as much effort as you can, very 'intensely' because you do this you would not be able to do hi volume sets, with HIT your workout may be only 4 sets, say 2 for back and 2 for chest after a light warmup, you use things like forced reps and negative reps to completely take as far as possible the muscle to failure, in fact your workout may be only in effect 2 sets one set for back one for chest, thats it, but there are variations on this theme
thatwilldonicely 1 year ago
can someone please help me i am a beginner and want to know the most simple definition of h.i.t training
clikclik1 1 year ago
wait a second, he worked out 2 hours a day for 5 days a week and his body recovered without problems. I say bullshit you cant recover that quickly unless you take steroids.
teliosteroide 1 year ago
@teliosteroide couldn't agree more: I understand some people can recover better from volume then others (this is based on the "we are all unique and special" Mr. Rodgers sentiment) but come on, two hours for 5 days a week is an extreme - common sense here people. Even the top bodybuilders in the world will suggest beginners (us/those not as huge) not to use the volume they do - we may be able to lift the same weight (prolly not, but maybe) but not the sheer volume - jeezze i wonder why....
packeralger 1 year ago
well said, i only use the gym 2 days a week and run 1 day a week outside. before when i went 5 days a week i just got injured and felt tired all the time. Less is more
fogoderek 1 year ago
all ok except the mumbo jumbo about keeping the body/muscle guessing!! your muscle cells do not have any consciousness that says oh hes doing bench press again so i dont think i will cooperate and grow!! you can do the same exercises for the rest of your life, but it would be boring!, progressive intensity is the key + decent diet and enough reovery time (as long as one is natural) the rest is surplus mumbo jumbo
thatwilldonicely 1 year ago
@thatwilldonicely to a certain extent, yes - and this current fetish with "muscle confusion" (p90x, for example) is somewhat illogical - but do remember, your body adapts based on the different stresses placed on it - place the same stress on it over and over again, and your only going to get the benefits of that certain stress - common sense is usefull here
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He has an amazing chest. My god he is HOT!!!
endora1164 1 year ago
He as an amazing chest,my god he is hot!
endora1164 1 year ago
Why dont you all SHUT UP n Train !!!!!!!!!!!!
bigtonysbig 1 year ago
jay does not do 2 to 3 sessions of weight train 2 our of three are cardio. Jay does less reps more weight and more sets. Jay is the biggest guy on stage he just won the Olympia. This subject is so fucking stupid how can everyone argue about ways of training. Everyone is different. Honestly volume is the hardest because u have to know what u doing so u dont burn ur self out.
weightlifter210 1 year ago
high reps and circuit training dolokai? lmao are you an endurance athlete? I'll knock your ass out.
deadman315x 1 year ago
i used to do high intensity volume training, volume was time:45 mins. on one body part top shoulder head, in one month i doubled its size, working from 15 -25 lbs and then it was np, try HIT Volume training instead of just HIT/volume training its the ahrdest thing youl ever try, then youl know what courage is.
Polydior369 1 year ago
What I like is he just gets down to generating maximum quality tension and then shut it down, get out of the gym and have a life. Neat.
ttraynor1 1 year ago
jay cutler does volume training and hes alot better of a bodybuilder than you. you being small and talking shit pisses me off lol
weightlifter210 1 year ago
@weightlifter210 yeah but Dorian is one of the best to ever live and he does HIT so dont get me wrong i love Cutler but when you have both Mentzer and Dorian claiming/claim that HIT is the way to go, i think i will lean towards it.
afterthefact15 1 year ago
@afterthefact15 yeah but volume train is good to use by anyone for a change. actually almost all of the bodybuilders do volume train before a competition. It give you quicker gains and you are doing more sets with lighter weight so its good for people who have joint problems or i use to give my joints a rest. Im 21, at 220 with 10% body fat so something is working.
weightlifter210 1 year ago
@afterthefact15 well dorian is good but i wouldnt say hes is one of the best to ever live. he actuall has along line to be in. Arnold, lee haney, coleman are without question the best.
weightlifter210 1 year ago
@weightlifter210 dude six olympias come on the guy revolutionized bodybuilding. i mean after Lee Dorian came out of nowhere looking freaking humongous dwarfing the comp. Lee was big but lacked the complete thickness Dorian had even though Lee won more olympias. and for Arnold, the guy lucked out with his timing in bodybuilding he was big but lacked lower abs and his back was not proportionate thickness wise compared to his front upperbody and his legs were thin also. he was cut though.
afterthefact15 1 year ago
@weightlifter210 coleman never won untill yates retired am i right?
rneoman 1 year ago
@afterthefact15 Frank Zane is my personal favorite bodybuilder...Zane openly stated that if he had it to do all over he would train in HIT style! That's the style of lifting he uses now. Plain and simply put, less is more!
scorpionkings 1 year ago
@scorpionkings i do hit training too but find it difficult to only train once a week.
afterthefact15 1 year ago
@afterthefact15 I train every other day. Once a week wouldn't cut it (for me)! I do a full body workout starting with legs, I give my body a full 24 hour period of rest between sessions in the gym.
scorpionkings 1 year ago
@scorpionkings yeah man i dont know how mentzer only trained once a week, i mean i freaking destroy myself in the gym as much as possible going well beyond exhaustion and still find recovery time quicker than a week.
afterthefact15 1 year ago
@afterthefact15 That's news to me that mentzer only trained once a week?! I find that very hard to believe
scorpionkings 1 year ago
@scorpionkings look it up dude. i researched it pretty heavily. some times he would strongly advocate only working out once every 8 days.
afterthefact15 1 year ago
@scorpionkings
He did but the workout he did on that one day is mind numbing, I'm still a beginner on HIT sessions but I'm a believer I never felt so defeated from lifting weights in my life and the weights were relatively low too Metzer on the other hand when he did weights he nearly used the entire stack,
SolidSnake0023 1 year ago
@scorpionkings
The thing is he used to train more often when he was younger, but as he got older and bigger and stronger, he had to slow down in order to keep his muscles mass and to keep making gains. Had he kept training like he used to, he would've becomed overtrained. This is not the case for those who have trained fewer years, but only for those who have reached their peak.
hellspawnds 1 year ago
@hellspawnds good point - the reason for this is the fact that when you begin, you simply do not tax your recovery system nearly as much (squatting 225 for 8 in your first year compared to 450 for 8 in your fifith year for example) - I mean lord, that over 200 pounds more weight - you can make your muscles grow, but making our nervous/endocorine systems grow at the same pace without chemical assistance is extrememly difficult, it not impossible
packeralger 1 year ago
@weightlifter210 jay cultler spends 2 3 and 4 sesionns in the gym each day lol for 2-3 hours a session. i reckon he' s wasting his time doing all that unnecessary work.
rneoman 1 year ago
For every set you do, its a tax on your Recovery System. The more sets, the more recovery you need. It's that simple.
supermark98 1 year ago
You train for results or you train for fun. They are NOT the same thing unless you are a masochist. PERIOD.
torque122 1 year ago
@wealreadyknow88 Amen brother. I love to tell that to my training partners. Muscles have no "thinking" or white or grey matter. They are there to contract and that is all.
There is ONLY one way to train, as skeletal muscle is stimulated to grow in one direct, efficient way. Extra sets and exercises is total garbage.
torque122 1 year ago
u wanna go slightly past the pump.... which is 3 seperate exersizes for an area
BRICKTHROWA 1 year ago
@ dokokai
I agree.
Maximilian690 1 year ago
most people dont stay on a routine long enough for an adaption to even occur. they change it before the maximize their results. you should stick with someone until it doesnt work then change it. dont change it before your results stop because chances are you can see results a lot longer than you think but magazines and trainers tell you to vary every workout and thats just stupid because you cant gauge progress if you always change your workout
0587dave 1 year ago
The key? Do what works for you and listen to your body. Try different things to see what works best to make you the strongest (strength and/or endurance) person physically you can be and remain healthy.
osu122975 1 year ago
is this natural? the guy in the red tank- is his body really possible from just nature or that requires stroids?
sarahjf2007 1 year ago
@sarahjf2007 - he is not natural, but it is hard to put a ceiling on the natural body. look at Jim Cordova, he is natural and his physique is very impressive.
heybuddy47 1 year ago
progressive overload is key over time.
yasinpatel12345 1 year ago
I train 2-3 hours a day. Yeah it seems like over training but if you see results and can recover properly why not? its only over training if you feel like shit and don't gain.
superwowie111 1 year ago
@superwowie111 I agree as long as you get results and are recovered i see no reason not training 2-3 hours.
moneymakerabc 1 year ago
@moneymakerabc You should be able to stimulate your muscles in 1.5 hours max. Unless your not focused and talking and being a lazy fucker in the gym, train with intensity...2-3 hrs in the gym to me is over training unless your on gear, lol.
sellyintegra 1 year ago
@superwowie111 - If you can get the same growth and progress in only a hour doesn't seem more logical to do that. Dorian believed intensity equals growth. He compared it to running, you can only sprint for a short period before you have to jog. I just started HIT training -- I enjoy it, but do try different things and incorporate methods into your training as you see fit.
heybuddy47 1 year ago
@heybuddy47
Yeah. Doesn't really matter how long you train. If you can get the job done in 45mins or 3 hours as long as you're training properly and intensely and not sacrificing rest or anything it doesn't really matter.
superwowie111 1 year ago
i think 1. different people prefer and need different volumes of training, but also 2. different muscle groups for one person can require different volumes.
for instance i can get away with ten total sets of chest and still notice pretty decent progress in a short period of time. However for shoulders I like to do about 20 sets. even though they're a smaller muscle group than chest i still see more progress with higher volume training. idk. maybe i just have odd genetics :)
Normand7374 1 year ago
'anyone searching youtube for training advice is of normal genetics'? That comment is just plain wrong. To determine that you would have to know everyone who ever searched youtube for training advice. i'd bet some of them had above average genetics.
biscuitmancollin 1 year ago
i dont give a fuck what people say, i like doing lots of sets and train at least 70-90 min every time, works for me
krisduboy 1 year ago
why are their arms so short???? oh yeah... they're the midgets that have taken over what bodybuilding is " supposed to look like" in the last several years.... that's what we all wanted comic book hero's to look like, right? a 5'8" midget..
revskull 1 year ago
@revskull You are one of the biggest morons i've ever seen on youtube. So in your ideal world, you put height restrictions on wether people are allowed to bodybuild or not? Your fucking pathetic, it's obviouse you are just some lanky weedy beanpole who is jealous of others who are better built than you. Stop hating and start worrying about your own appearance before mocking others.
needabloodyname 1 year ago
@wealreadyknow88 No, but the mind has a mind and if it helps to keep one psychological into training, it's worthwhile.
Which proceeds growth? Mind or muscle.
It's mind that drags muscle's ass to the gym, and keeps moving the weight when muscle wants to have a shower.
PencilsAreAwesome 1 year ago
That all training methods are equally valid is a myth perpetuated by publishers of magazines. That way they can publish and sell a greater volume of articles of varying training methods.
There are great bodybuilders out there who have built their physiques using volume workouts, but would they have achieved greater muscularity using a low volume HIT approach? Mentzer believed this to be so.
The more time spent in the gym, the more drugs needed for recovery.
xanthromera 1 year ago
i like how he chuckled after "natural testosterone"
gr8ape 1 year ago
if you're looking for muscle size, you either train low volume, high intensity or fail. genetic freaks and steroid users not included. the high volume methods of the 1980s were bull shit and only suited to gear users.
mrvolax 1 year ago 2
to IDMWEIGHTS: the reason the pros have found success is because they'rel ifting heavy weights to failure, the main tenets of High intensity training. think about it: when you see branch warren or jay cutler do a "pyramid" set, where they start light for one set and work their weight up to their max, what they're doing, until they start descending the pyramid, IS High intensity training.
samugrose 1 year ago
when they go to failure (IF they do, and many don't, but approach it, surely) they've completed the one set of maximum intensity effort required to stimulate muscle growth. numerous studies have shown that one set is all that is necessary, and anything over that is OVERTRAININ BAYBEH. but of course, when you do steroids, you can train a lot harder than the average, "natural" individual, AND muscle growth is easier to attain. double whammy.
samugrose 1 year ago
lol volume training is good for sports specific training. low rep high weight is good for bodybuilding. it's quite simple actually. large muscle doesn't necessarily mean strong muscle though
dalton231 1 year ago
the only thing i see about hit that isnt good is pretty much everyone that uses it has small arms...the arms just cant respond with sich low sets
gmanthebeast1 2 years ago
@gmanthebeast1
Low sets, or low reps? in either case, non is used in HIT.
only 1 set, and sometimes not even a 'set'
secondly, u are allowed to try different rep ranges... but its not about that... its about finding how u can increase intensity, not reps or sets for that matter.
oscarhollywood 1 year ago
@gmanthebeast1 so who do u think have small arms then
scottbarbell 1 year ago
dorian and mark,the two most famous curent users of hit,their arms are their weakest point.Please learn about bb before you ask questions,not being mean its just ive gotten into arguements with peopl that dont know tthe difference between strong man and bodybuilding
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scottbarbell 1 year ago
Heavy/Hard training, low frequency, lower-then-normal volume in my opinion is superior to traditional training.
I find it funny that Ronnie was average up until he won Mr. Olympia. The year leading up to his first Mr. Olympia win he gain 40lbs of muscle.......but didn't change his training and eating habits! What does this tell you?......
Most likely Ronnie upped the drug intake...BIG TIME. So it isn't Ronnie's training routine, but his drug intake and genetics that made him successful.
Ja71178 2 years ago 17
tells me HGH
oldtimmy 2 years ago
your a dumbass ronnie goes balls to wall in his training you could never accomplish what he has
studiobuddy 1 year ago 2
@Ja71178 Yes you are so right, he upped his HGH so much, thats why his gut increased in size not food intake(which is said to be the reason bollocks). i believe these days its drugs drugs drugs, and less importance on training!!
barelylegalbeast 1 year ago
@Ja71178 : He also started working with NUTRITIONIST Chad Nicholls.
torresstr8 1 year ago
@Ja71178 yeah yeah yeah blame it on drugs, like none of the other body builders forgot to take them or if not drugs then genes. Yeah he out gened them all or out doped them all lol.
youngfred116 1 year ago
@Ja71178 Research does show that you need at least 2 working sets, and training to complete failure raises cortisol levels very high.
SR4LosersIsMYBITCH 9 months ago in playlist BODYBUILDING
@SR4LosersIsMYBITCH can you give me a link to the cortisol studies?
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 9 months ago
@SR4LosersIsMYBITCH Not necessarily, there is plenty of research that shows that 1 set works just as well as multiple sets. And from a logical standpoint, single set to failure makes the most sense - how else will you maximally stimulate the fast-twitch muscle fibers most capable of growth?
objectivistathlete 3 months ago
@Ja71178 pros nowadays have shit that we regular joes havent even heard of. They have probably started to inject shitloads of follstatin by now and other nice cocktails.
Dudelookslikeeylady 5 months ago
screw you mark.
desiglas 2 years ago
He should go into WWE as Kurt Angle's Evil Twin....
zizyphus99 2 years ago
Volume and intensity are both important, if your not intense... well there's no reason for any adaptions to occur. Volume works well for sarcoplasmic size. Intensity doesn't have to be balls out, it can be 1 rep short of failure and aslong as the weights are flying up at a good rep range, you'll pack on size, maybe not though if you eat like a squirrel. If you do forced reps , rest pause etc and it allows fast progression with the weights, go for it if you can recover.
Timeformass 2 years ago
Damn, I never knew he did DC training.
Madafucca 2 years ago
well his form got a lot better after spending a week in the dungeon with Dorian
bbtank3000 2 years ago 2
yea, like you knew his form before
hatersfate2 2 years ago
@hatersfate2
watch "A Week in the Dungeon" and you'll know what I'm talking about.
bbtank3000 2 years ago 2
year love that dvd
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM
great dvd, dorian still has IT lol
vxSMOKEYxv 1 year ago
The reality is that different bodybuilders all used different methods and obtained results. Arnold, Ferrigno, Mentzer, Haney, Yates, Coleman, Jackson, etc all used different workouts. To say any one method is best is crap, or else no one would achieve results but those using "the one". The only true thing said by Dugdale here is that the body takes longer to recover as it ages. This low volume method works for him...but find what works for YOU!
dokokai 2 years ago 31
i 100% agree
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago 5
Glad there are other people out there that don't go overboard after hearing one guys workout just because he achieved a great physique with it. I need to add that Dugdale was correct about one other point...the body needs things switched up to continue growth.
dokokai 2 years ago
its called steroids
RealLifeIZ 2 years ago
Yes, but you can also see that the ones with the most success where the ones that trained the hardest = higher intensity.
From this you can see that intensity is more important than volume, then adjust volume on your own recovery ability.
Guys like arnold or ronnie had a great recovery ability which allowed them to tolerate lots of volume.
juanprc9 2 years ago
I never said intensity wasn't important. Intensity is quite important regardless of high or low volume training. That proof lies in the gym everyday when you see the same people working out but not making much progress because they are just going through the motion.
dokokai 2 years ago
Exactly, but what I was trying to say is that all the different methods you mentioned came down to the highest intensity workouts. And this is the basis of HIT, intensity over volume. The guys that grew on volume just had a great tolerance for it, but they never sacrificed intensity over it.
So, what I was saying is that there is actually "one" aspect that rules success in training, which is high intensity.
juanprc9 2 years ago
I couldnt have put it better my self
ludacris333 2 years ago
@juanprc9,
Guys like Arnold and Ronnie most likely just took more drugs to help recover from all the volume.
I find it funny that Ronnie was small up until he won Mr. Olympia. The year leading up to his first Mr. Olympia win he gain 40lbs of muscle.......but didn't change his training and eating habits! What does this tell you?......
Most likely Ronnie upped the drug intake...BIG TIME. So it isn't Ronnies training routine, but his drug intake and genetics that made him successful.
Ja71178 2 years ago
@Ja71178
yup, ronnie is on the drugs big time... he takes 5 prescription drugs just to keep his kidneys and liver kicking over, not to mention cholesterol and anti-inflammatories + all the steroids, growth hormones, and research drugs like serms, anti-estrogens etc etc list goes on,
i wonder if hes on insulin aswell... who knows... bodybuilding has just become a drug infested shit pile, where its more then just getting in the gym and working and eating hard. its how hard can u pin aswell..
oscarhollywood 2 years ago
of course hes on insulin
studiobuddy 1 year ago
@dokokai
all the examples you used are steroid users with 1-in-a-million genetics, nothing to do with real life training at all. if you're drug free and of normal genetics (any one searching youtube for training advice is) then you need to use low volume. high volume is a farce. once you've stimulated growth, go home and rest. going 20, 30, 40% more than what's needed will just double recovery time.
mrvolax 1 year ago
@dokokai HIT is the shit!
klarkratu 1 year ago
@dokokai
no not really.
what makes the muscle grow (hypertrophy) and keep in mind no one anywhere will argue this.
is that you progressively overload the muscle (progressively life heavier weights over time.
keep in mind u dont need to lift heavier weights each and every workout, but if you after, lets say 1 year of lifting, you aren't ANY stronger with the same weight, you AREN"t growing.
deadman315x 1 year ago
@deadman315x i would say that progression every workout is the key to getting bigger and stronger without dout. you need togive your body a reason to change.it may be 2 reps or 4lbs but it must be done.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 1 year ago 8
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Every workout I'm always striving to get stronger than I was on the last workout! I train every other day, I do two exercises each body part, one set per exercise to failure (or as close to failure as possible, since I train alone). When I trained the old way (meaning splitting up my body parts & doing 3 to 5 sets each exercise I was going no where until I discovered a book by Ellington Darden).
scorpionkings 1 year ago
@deadman315x What would make you think I didn't already know that little bit of information you just wrote? I think you missed the entire point of my comment.
dokokai 1 year ago
@deadman315x Of course that is obvious what you say. My point is that there shouldn't be any one method that everybody should stick with all the time and that different people achieve the same results using different methods. If HIT was the only thing that worked, then Dugdale & anyone else who uses HIT would be the only people to be muscular & fit. Well all we have to do is look around us in the gym to see lots of people in shape & no 2 people use the same workout method to become that way.
dokokai 1 year ago
@deadman315x duh
whosnexttt 1 year ago
@deadman315x do you even workout??The amount of weight you use after a year has nothing to do with growing. This is BODYBUILDING not strength training. The measurements of any sort of numbers that show your are growing is the look of the muscle bellies, measurements of each muscle, your own weight on a scale in relation to bodyfat, and then the amount of weight you use (which for most bodybuilders is compound movements) Sure you can't become bigger without becoming stronger but that's not all
catch22fly 1 year ago
@dokokai
find what "works" for you? lol
the body doesn't work that way
thats why i left that comment to educate your dumb, foolish ass
deadman315x 1 year ago
@deadman315x It always has to be brought to the level of insults right?! I am quite educated without you. Apparently YOU don't know how the body works. I have a Masters Degree in Physical Therapy as well as 25 years of weight training and conditioning experience. The body is far more resourceful than you give it credit for & everyone responds differently to different weight training techniques. That is why even if you progressively overload in your example everyone will reach a plateau at some~
dokokai 1 year ago
@deadman315x ~(part 2) point. That is why workouts continually need to be changed up. High volume, low volume, powerlifting, high reps lighter weight, low reps heavy weight, supersets, compound sets, circuit training, etc. All techniques need to be employed to constantly stimulate growth. Some techniques will be more part of a regular workout than others but it still needs to be mixed up. So again i say, find what works for you to produce results. You have been educated now.
dokokai 1 year ago
@dokokai
I've started HIT and I find it to be a love-hate relationship, progress is quick but the workout although brief is incredibly tough toughest workout I've ever done as a matter of fact. I had to sit down and rest at the end of it for about 2 minutes I was so whipped, and the time before that I was on the floor
SolidSnake0023 1 year ago
@SolidSnake0023 I use HIT from time to time also. It is definitely a great training method & just as tough on the body as any other intense workout, but it is certainly not the only way to achieve results. As I've said in previous posts & replies, if HIT was the only thing that worked then only people who use HIT would be muscular, fit & in shape.
dokokai 1 year ago
@dokokai
no it isn't it's more of a preference then anything, if your type of guy who is willing to put up with sheer intensity in exchange for quick muscle then this is the workout for you. Matter of fact I've already gained about 2 pounds of muscle already (went from 149.8 lb. to 151.8 lb. within a week and I can tell it's not fat because I'm starting to look leaner and my biceps look bigger then before) and that was from 3 workouts in a row. The key though is the aftermath though.
SolidSnake0023 1 year ago
IMO I think as long as you are getting blood into the muscles, and breaking down the muscle fibers, that you will see results, depending on your goals. being that said, your diet and recovery needs to be on key point for you to maximize your full potential. so HIT, HOSS, German Volume Training, Doggcrap, FST-7, Powerlifting, Bodybuilding, Strongman, etc... I personally will switch up my workouts, 4 weeks of hypertrophy, followed by 1 week rest, then 4 weeks powerlifting. Keep your body guessing!
roanethehulk 2 years ago
Cant say that im a fan of HIT. i stick to the basics and the basics work and thats a fact, HIT if anything is under training. Keeping the workout intense is correct but you need to keep it intense for at least for 4 sets, not 1. mentzer was big but he was no priest, arnold or platz. you need to lift heavy, you need to lift for multiple sets, and you need to lift like theres no tomorrow. period
NitricPump 2 years ago
well said..i am just afraid that most monkeys out here wont understand your logic - LOL - HIT HARD! - MR
mrhighintensity 2 years ago
dude, the word 'adaptation' has a totally different meaning to 'guessing'.
in fact the definition of 'adaptation' is much closer to 'overcompensation' than you seem to realise
baobaojames123 2 years ago
Yes but i also think that overtraining is more difficult than most people assume. I would suggest that humans are creative beings, we can't be doing the same shit day in day out forever. Variety is the spice of life. Otherwise we'd never ever cheat on our girlfriends would we? xD
baobaojames123 2 years ago
Cheating on your Gf is not a virtue but a weakness - variety in life has nothing to do with being dishonest to someone else - go have an open relationship if you do then- as far as HIT goes...sure, have variety and go from what works best to what doesn't work so well..since your the cheating kind of guy, that only makes sense in your irrational mind to begin with - LOL - MR
mrhighintensity 2 years ago
My understanding is that if you don't do the same routine as what you did the week before how would you know that you have got bigger and stronger? You would have nothing to compare it to as accurately as you would have by doing the same work out a week later.
pct437 2 years ago 3
Your understanding is incorrect. Repeating the same movements over and over again will not serve your purpose. The human body is in a constant search for homeostasis, in the gym and out. Every exercise produces a different result and works the muscles differently. The only way to grow is to keep challenging your bodies understanding of how strong it needs to be in order to survive.
BINGBONGGG 2 years ago
well just change the word "guessing" to "adapting"you change you're routin to stop the body adapting to what's happening to it, i dont think he meant guessing literally, its just a saying.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago 11
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM By constantly increasing weight on your lifts and reps you do, you ARE forcing your body to adapt. You do not need to change the routine. It doesn't make sense.
TheGogija 1 year ago
@TheGogija agreed for sure. It's a little known fact it seems that changing it up can be very small. Pretty much as small as simply altering a hand position a little.
TheTruthHurtsYup 1 year ago
@wealreadyknow88 (2/2)
Furthermore training becomes very boring doing the same exercises over and over again which result (in my case) in less motivation to train intense. Sorry for the long reply ;)
virtualreal 2 years ago
this part i agree with.. when you start putting off your workout days, you know you need to try something new for a while to at least keep your training consistent
baobaojames123 2 years ago
@wealreadyknow88 (1/2)
Well first of all, in my mind everything could be debatable and certainly creating variety in your training is one of them. Without being a scientist I've experienced that I get better pumps and more pain when I create that variety (in my case not more than 2-3 sets per exercise and not the same one as during the previous workout).
virtualreal 2 years ago
There is no such thing as HIT. Its just volume training without counting the warm up sets. Its a chancers routine. Look at Yates with all his torn bodyparts. Only for the corrupt judges he would never have won so many titles.
mucktada 2 years ago
yates torn bodyparts was not down to HIT he said that him self.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago
maybe theres no such thing as volume??? if it was was your last set you would go all to failure wouldn't you well that is high intensity training only with HIT YOU DO it all in one set....the warm up sets are just to set you up and you only use a warm up set at the very beginning the rest of the work out is one set for every exercise
Dackhollywood1983 2 years ago
"you gotta keep your body guessing" Thats very true
virtualreal 2 years ago
Dugdale does german volume training nowadays..
musjeu 2 years ago
yehh, i would to if i was on as much gear as him.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago
ive been working out for quite some time now and recently decided to take it more serious .can someone explain to me what HIT training is ? hmmm is that a noob question ,oh f*ck.
BulletproofMk3 2 years ago
Don't believe you've been working out for quite some time then...
musjeu 2 years ago
Never really understood HIT... But if it works why not use it..
monster4223 2 years ago
It's especially irritating when all you want to do is one set and the guy who is using the equipment you need still has 4 more sets to go!!! damn volume guys do piss me off lol.
Achillesreborn 2 years ago
yehh, and they always say "you should be doing more than 1 or 2 sets to grow buddy" LOL
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago
HIT is dogma IMHO
baobaojames123 2 years ago
Volume training Make you Look Fuller and Muscle have a More Pumped Look.
HIT make you look Stocky and muscle are Hard and dense But Not Full And round pump looking
BigAlexender 2 years ago
How you figure?
MEAT6616 2 years ago
Whats this joker talking about lol
darkknight17 2 years ago 2
muscles only grow one way. you don't get different shaped muscles training one way or the other. They already are set be genetics. They will only look different if they are more developed than before. it's like the "toned vs muscular" argument. it doesn't make sense. I "toned" muscle is just a less developed muscle, it's not like the muscle itself is a different shape.
kingv911 2 years ago 2
great post!!!!!
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago
you steroid users piss me off
Angerfist72 2 years ago
he looks great but a bodybuilder who deside to get to a lower weight gatagory for being first?for me it's like being the "head of the fox pack insted the tail of the lions" that's why i think Mark Dugdale perhaps doesn't know how to train or eat right if he makes that decision.bodybuilding it's all about progress forword not going to a lower weight gatagory like a pussy.
i respect his achivements so fat but if he can't progress forword he sux and needs to kill himself.
DarkISRbody 2 years ago
yeah i use a lot of yates style of traing too when you get in your thirtys you dont heal as qickly as you did when your were in your 20's
drec666 2 years ago
Read what i said properly, more people should work harder meaning that he does in fact work hard for his gains and he doesn't just resort to lots of insulin, hgh and igf1 like alot of people do these days. Just for the record i like mark alot, i think you misunderstood what i said. Isn't silat some sort of martial art?
makio83 2 years ago
High volume is wank, i know that after trying it. Couple of warm ups sets and a heavy as fuck set to failure with a rest pause or two, perfect.
LancashireHotpot27 2 years ago 3
fucking well said my man!!!
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago
wank for you maybe, every one is different you have to find what works for YOU.
makio83 2 years ago
steroids work with any program, albeit ur eating properly, personnaly i think medium volume with medium wghts is best, esp for ur joints
ronyboy40 2 years ago
eating has nothing to do with it , its down to yourself to rip the muscles which you want to grow ,,,,,
if it was down to food , all americans and english would be muscular instead of fat ,
some people are geneticly gifted , others arent ,
some people are on steroids , others arent ,
dominicthebaycolt 2 years ago