Shawn, I watch these analogies and always think the same. Great, and I agree. BUT the problem is when I (we) swing a golf club the club face is always the worry. Whatever I do I always impart a left to right spin. My grip is perfect, my release good (so mizuno say anyway), I do everything the vids and pros say, yet it always fades left to right. And then all the moves my body does are because I know it will fade right. When you do stuff like this there is no clubface, so you dont worry
@cockywatchman1976 Have a look at one of my latest called "golf pro lesson strike it pure" part 1 and 2; and also see "golf pro lesson weak grip or strong grip" as this is an eye opener as well; do not think "should and should not" when it comes to your set up! :)
the club position at 7:26.. is proof the focus is the "swing of the club" as opposed to the "hit of the ball". As golfers we have to focus on "swinging" and let the swing take care of any "hit" that may occur as a result...good swings hold up under pressure.One key is "quiet hands"QUIET HANDS allow the shaft to swing through the all important position described at 4:38 and 7:26..I thought I was the only one who looked at something and the first question is,"Can this help my swing ?" Ha Ha
Another great analogy..Do you ever notice when a golf magazine does an expose' on a players' swing they always omit the all important halfway down area ? They usually go from the start of the downswing straight to impact. I know the reason why..Because if they described that part of the swing as eloquently as Shawn, does at 4:38..where the clubshaft is allowed to fall paralell to the ground halfway down they would put themselves out of bussiness !
Shawn, with my driver the idea of skipping a stone works wonders. For some reason I dont fixate on the ball at all. But when I go to my irons its hard for me not to for some reason. Maybe because of the ball postion? If you have any videos or ideas on how not to think of the ball that might help me out. Thanks! :)
this video totally destroys the idea of having square shoulders at impact. if you stop the video from DTL when you arm gets to where the ball would be, and your chest is almost totally facing the target!!
Wait a second here Jordan; shoulders and chest are different right? Compared to the chest the shoulders have 20 to 30 degrees of mobility so I can still have the chest in front while having the shoulders square (or the perception of). I just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here. You know by now that manipulating the body into positions during the swing is not my thing but there is no harm is looking at a few positions for comparison and perception adjustments...:)
the shoulders must be open at impact. fact. if you pause any good player their shoulders are around 35* open at impact. its silly really to think that you can have your shoulders square at impact. look on this video at 2.06 and you can see that your shoulders are pointing to the top left corner of the screen!!
I am not disagreeing with you Jordan; you can look at it and describe a fact like you or a feel; to me, I am trying to get to the feel of when I whip this way, it goes where I want it to...I would have to do research and a video with the K-vest to get you real numbers and still, what the heck would that accomplish as far as a feel to a target...:) I will give you props about square shoulders to target being a myth though! I wish we could talk more and not have to formulate short versions!
the only real problem is with people thinking that the shoulders should be square at impact, is the try to make people have square shoulders and they end up swinging way too far inside out
Also, do you feel the swing a lot in your butt? I'm trying to squat a bit more to get what I'm thinking is the catapult feel, it's almost to the point where it feels like the swing is half (or more) powered by my butt...is that even possible?? haha :) ...I hope this question isn't as silly as it sounds!
hi Shawn, great video! I think I'm getting a better feel for simply throwing the momentum to the target...with the release, I'm finding it helps to just not do anything, so that the release is more something that happens as opposed to something you do...and the arms merely guide the momentum in the direction you desire. Is that a good thing?
I think you have the gist of what is and what should be happening in the swing; as long as the arms and club are being tracked by centrifugal force and gravity and not manipulation...Shawn
When swinging the club, be aware of the strongest feel you experience when you are swinging well; mine is a catapult effect of the arms and club being pulled towards the target as my butt is turning out of the way while being bolted through my left side...then when you go to the ball and have your eyes on the back of the ball, look for that feel to the target...always link the feel to your target and forget everything else;if you don't have a specific focus, you will default to the ball...:)
This is a great video! Ive used this and it help me maintained my focus on the target...and using the bottom of the clubhead as a disc to throw it at the target...awesome!
Hey Shawn, great analogy! I am a hunter myself and have been shooting clay pigeons many times. Anyway, never related it to golf. It really helps to move the focus away from the ball and to the target. Cheers, Patrick.
Yes, so important and critical for the development of the proper swing to focus on allowing gravity to release the club through the ball to the target...to focus on the ball would be like trying to hit the back of the percussion cap with the firing pin instead of the clay pigeon! Shawn
Shawn, at what point in your down-swing (approx) is the face square to the arc it is traveling on? Is the goal to square up the face at the last instant or much sooner?
Nice question! The goal is to allow the club face to square on it's own through the top of the arc; the face would be slightly open at impact, then as the ball compresses against the face, the club continues to move towards the target and the face continues to square until the ball comes off the face and separates...this is where you want the face of the club to be square which would be slightly more towards the target than top of the arc; again, you are letting gravity do the work...Shawn
The face of the club could not be the same as the flat part of the clay pidgeon or the clubface would be wide open at impact and your right hand palm would be up.
Not the face, the sole, or bottom of the club; this is why I was using a fairway wood to emphasize the wide round sole of the club deflecting across the ground and out to the target which in this case was the white stake of the 150 yard marker down the middle of the fairway...Shawn
i really like this idea.. it really help my game as far as not focus on the ball instaed of target.. however.. i realised that i wasn't able to focus on the target entirely.. any tips on how to stay more focus?
Is it just me or was anybody else expecting Shawn to hit one of those clays in the air with a golf ball?? I'd give 3 to 5 that he could!
Shawn, thanks for the info from your other "new release". I started playing around in the yard with my 6 iron after I received your comment(I swear my neighbors think I'm crazy! Wait till they see how I practice in the snow! :)!!!) I think I am crashing into my chest with my arms! Could that cause my iron shots to fade for often than not? Thanks.
Hi Bryan; it is possible; where i would like you to look at is on the "Golf Pro Lesson Be a Solid Ball Striker" where I show you how to use the arc of the swing to your advantage to hit the high draw to the target; you will see or confirm that you need to play the ball slightly back of center with a clubface slightly closed to the ARC LINE to hit the high draw...if you play the ball too far forward, you are in more of a position to hit the fade...Shawn
Is anybody else out there finding it almost impossible to view this video? I can't get more than 3 or 4 seconds at a time before it hangs for 10 or 15 seconds to buffer in another 3 seconds worth. Strange how the other video posted last night has no problems.
golf must be so much fun when your as good at it as you are, but you dont have to worry bout the travel worries and so forth that the tour players do.
@tyga00 Thanks for the post! And yes, I already have one; they work great! I will have to make a video on that one too...:) Shawn
clemshaw 1 year ago
Love the old guys showing up - but don't worry, I think I got the point of the video. Thanks!
jpindahaus 1 year ago
Shawn, I watch these analogies and always think the same. Great, and I agree. BUT the problem is when I (we) swing a golf club the club face is always the worry. Whatever I do I always impart a left to right spin. My grip is perfect, my release good (so mizuno say anyway), I do everything the vids and pros say, yet it always fades left to right. And then all the moves my body does are because I know it will fade right. When you do stuff like this there is no clubface, so you dont worry
cockywatchman1976 1 year ago
@cockywatchman1976 Have a look at one of my latest called "golf pro lesson strike it pure" part 1 and 2; and also see "golf pro lesson weak grip or strong grip" as this is an eye opener as well; do not think "should and should not" when it comes to your set up! :)
clemshaw 1 year ago
so in your mind imagine the ball is stuck to the clubface and your trying to sling it off ?
pokerlife123 1 year ago
@pokerlife123 This is actually what happens! Collect and release like in Hockey and Tennis!
If you place impact tape on the face, you will see a flat spot bigger than a quarter; Shawn
clemshaw 1 year ago
get out of the way sonny, we want to play golf.....we aint got all day, its near 7AM, the day is a wasting....
ProfessorCockrum 1 year ago
the club position at 7:26.. is proof the focus is the "swing of the club" as opposed to the "hit of the ball". As golfers we have to focus on "swinging" and let the swing take care of any "hit" that may occur as a result...good swings hold up under pressure.One key is "quiet hands"QUIET HANDS allow the shaft to swing through the all important position described at 4:38 and 7:26..I thought I was the only one who looked at something and the first question is,"Can this help my swing ?" Ha Ha
golfdaddie69 1 year ago
Great comments golfdaddie69! Thanks!
Shawn
clemshaw 1 year ago
Another great analogy..Do you ever notice when a golf magazine does an expose' on a players' swing they always omit the all important halfway down area ? They usually go from the start of the downswing straight to impact. I know the reason why..Because if they described that part of the swing as eloquently as Shawn, does at 4:38..where the clubshaft is allowed to fall paralell to the ground halfway down they would put themselves out of bussiness !
golfdaddie69 1 year ago
wtf ? golf or clay pidgeon shooting ?
dawson546 2 years ago
Next I will have a guy doing the clay pigeon launching and I will fire golf balls at it! :) Would be a great contest for Big Break!
clemshaw 2 years ago
lmao those dudes are like... hey can we tee off or you gonna sit there all day talking to that camera.
ugottrolled 2 years ago 5
I know; how dare they walk in on my video!! LOL!
Shawn
clemshaw 2 years ago
Shawn, with my driver the idea of skipping a stone works wonders. For some reason I dont fixate on the ball at all. But when I go to my irons its hard for me not to for some reason. Maybe because of the ball postion? If you have any videos or ideas on how not to think of the ball that might help me out. Thanks! :)
jdotson 2 years ago
Yes; now I do! :) See "golf pro lesson how to repeat your practice swing"! Shawn
clemshaw 2 years ago
this video totally destroys the idea of having square shoulders at impact. if you stop the video from DTL when you arm gets to where the ball would be, and your chest is almost totally facing the target!!
pecky1234 3 years ago
Wait a second here Jordan; shoulders and chest are different right? Compared to the chest the shoulders have 20 to 30 degrees of mobility so I can still have the chest in front while having the shoulders square (or the perception of). I just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here. You know by now that manipulating the body into positions during the swing is not my thing but there is no harm is looking at a few positions for comparison and perception adjustments...:)
clemshaw 3 years ago
the shoulders must be open at impact. fact. if you pause any good player their shoulders are around 35* open at impact. its silly really to think that you can have your shoulders square at impact. look on this video at 2.06 and you can see that your shoulders are pointing to the top left corner of the screen!!
pecky1234 3 years ago
I am not disagreeing with you Jordan; you can look at it and describe a fact like you or a feel; to me, I am trying to get to the feel of when I whip this way, it goes where I want it to...I would have to do research and a video with the K-vest to get you real numbers and still, what the heck would that accomplish as far as a feel to a target...:) I will give you props about square shoulders to target being a myth though! I wish we could talk more and not have to formulate short versions!
clemshaw 3 years ago
the only real problem is with people thinking that the shoulders should be square at impact, is the try to make people have square shoulders and they end up swinging way too far inside out
pecky1234 3 years ago
look at Adam Scot his shoulders are square at impact is there any thing wrong with his swing ?
666mcnally 2 years ago
Also, do you feel the swing a lot in your butt? I'm trying to squat a bit more to get what I'm thinking is the catapult feel, it's almost to the point where it feels like the swing is half (or more) powered by my butt...is that even possible?? haha :) ...I hope this question isn't as silly as it sounds!
WaydeJohnson 3 years ago
Not silly at all! Check the response I gave Golfrules08 just below...It is my favorite feel in the swing! Shawn
clemshaw 3 years ago
hi Shawn, great video! I think I'm getting a better feel for simply throwing the momentum to the target...with the release, I'm finding it helps to just not do anything, so that the release is more something that happens as opposed to something you do...and the arms merely guide the momentum in the direction you desire. Is that a good thing?
WaydeJohnson 3 years ago
I think you have the gist of what is and what should be happening in the swing; as long as the arms and club are being tracked by centrifugal force and gravity and not manipulation...Shawn
clemshaw 3 years ago
when im practice swinging my swing is going really well then when i go to take the shot my mind goes blank and his useless what must i do??
golfrules08 3 years ago
When swinging the club, be aware of the strongest feel you experience when you are swinging well; mine is a catapult effect of the arms and club being pulled towards the target as my butt is turning out of the way while being bolted through my left side...then when you go to the ball and have your eyes on the back of the ball, look for that feel to the target...always link the feel to your target and forget everything else;if you don't have a specific focus, you will default to the ball...:)
clemshaw 3 years ago
This is a great video! Ive used this and it help me maintained my focus on the target...and using the bottom of the clubhead as a disc to throw it at the target...awesome!
msantasiere 3 years ago
Nice way to highlight the video!
Thanks very much for your comment!
Shawn
clemshaw 3 years ago
Hey Shawn, great analogy! I am a hunter myself and have been shooting clay pigeons many times. Anyway, never related it to golf. It really helps to move the focus away from the ball and to the target. Cheers, Patrick.
ESADE08 3 years ago
Hey Patrick, Thanks for the comment!
Yes, so important and critical for the development of the proper swing to focus on allowing gravity to release the club through the ball to the target...to focus on the ball would be like trying to hit the back of the percussion cap with the firing pin instead of the clay pigeon! Shawn
clemshaw 3 years ago
Shawn, at what point in your down-swing (approx) is the face square to the arc it is traveling on? Is the goal to square up the face at the last instant or much sooner?
duffygolfstuff 3 years ago
Nice question! The goal is to allow the club face to square on it's own through the top of the arc; the face would be slightly open at impact, then as the ball compresses against the face, the club continues to move towards the target and the face continues to square until the ball comes off the face and separates...this is where you want the face of the club to be square which would be slightly more towards the target than top of the arc; again, you are letting gravity do the work...Shawn
clemshaw 3 years ago
I am a bit confused..
The face of the club could not be the same as the flat part of the clay pidgeon or the clubface would be wide open at impact and your right hand palm would be up.
Please elaborate..
thanks,
Pete
pp12000 3 years ago
Hi Pete;
Not the face, the sole, or bottom of the club; this is why I was using a fairway wood to emphasize the wide round sole of the club deflecting across the ground and out to the target which in this case was the white stake of the 150 yard marker down the middle of the fairway...Shawn
clemshaw 3 years ago
I'll try the next time I practice, and I will imagine that when I try to skip the stone, that I visualize skipping the sole of my 5 wood.
Thanks for replying. I ordered your DVDs but they are taking forever to get here.
pp12000 3 years ago
this video helped me A LOT. thanks, shawn. you are an awesome teacher.
duffygolfstuff 3 years ago
Hi shawn..
i really like this idea.. it really help my game as far as not focus on the ball instaed of target.. however.. i realised that i wasn't able to focus on the target entirely.. any tips on how to stay more focus?
thanks.. Elvis
YangLYY 3 years ago
Is it just me or was anybody else expecting Shawn to hit one of those clays in the air with a golf ball?? I'd give 3 to 5 that he could!
Shawn, thanks for the info from your other "new release". I started playing around in the yard with my 6 iron after I received your comment(I swear my neighbors think I'm crazy! Wait till they see how I practice in the snow! :)!!!) I think I am crashing into my chest with my arms! Could that cause my iron shots to fade for often than not? Thanks.
-Bryan
gohox81 3 years ago
Hi Bryan; it is possible; where i would like you to look at is on the "Golf Pro Lesson Be a Solid Ball Striker" where I show you how to use the arc of the swing to your advantage to hit the high draw to the target; you will see or confirm that you need to play the ball slightly back of center with a clubface slightly closed to the ARC LINE to hit the high draw...if you play the ball too far forward, you are in more of a position to hit the fade...Shawn
clemshaw 3 years ago
Is anybody else out there finding it almost impossible to view this video? I can't get more than 3 or 4 seconds at a time before it hangs for 10 or 15 seconds to buffer in another 3 seconds worth. Strange how the other video posted last night has no problems.
honketyhank 3 years ago
Hey Honketyhank!
It is playing in full right now as we speak; I think you tube has just done some updating that is wrecking havoc with a few users...Shawn
clemshaw 3 years ago
i hate you sometimes shawn.
golf must be so much fun when your as good at it as you are, but you dont have to worry bout the travel worries and so forth that the tour players do.
wish i had that
pecky1234 3 years ago
love the way your right heek is pulled up when you right arm gets to where a ball would be ;)
pecky1234 3 years ago