Wayne Shorter - Footprints part2

[Dangorgan007]

Masters like Wayne refuse to be put in a box. The moment you are put in a box you are already dead. Love it.

[LodoGrdzak]

That's definitely Footprints. And about a half-dozen other melodies I recognize. At one point he steals a phrase off Palladium. And another time he went into--something else. I forget. Hot clip. Like when Wayne plays tenor.

[triofdoom]

nice version

[amendez92]

6:00 is SEXY

[Saxoskop]

@drwinkle101 This IS Footprints. Footprints was a 6/8 blues in c minor long time ago, but for many years Wayne has been using it as a vehicle for free musical exploration - each live version is different. Listen for the theme from 5:31 on...

[DYNODRUM]

I think we Lost The Footprints in the Sand -Let's just call it Hidden Trraxx...

[molinmusic]

Love to know all the other musicians besides Wayne and Terri.

[ramiller100]

@molinmusic

Tracy Wormworth, bass

Jim Beard, keyboard

Lenny Castro, perc

Terri Lynne Carrington, dr

Wayne

[molinmusic]

Guess it's a medley or a jam!

[MikeNichols50]

Dr.Winkle:

Guess What??? It IS "Footprints'.

It is basically a blues in Cminor; the melody is stated @ around 5:30, for those of you who are paying attention...

Next, for more on the 'turnaround' used at the end of this clip, you may see the lead sheet reprinted in the Wayne Shorter biography....

Also...although it sounds 'free' or 'out', it is not...the structural architecture of the tune is clearly indicated, i.e. Cminor [I chord],

followed by the IVminor chord [Fminor], etc...

[agocaligiuri]

mmm..

ok:

a REAL MINOR (dorian) blues

take a C Dorian and a relative Fmyxolydian...

instead the tune takes a modulation of dorian mode by fourth..!!!!!!!!

[csilva85]

I do not know why your comments are not clear...maybe there is a language barrier

[is English your main language???]...

Anyway...you should be aware that this is

a "modal" minor blues...that's why the IV chord is not "mixolydian"...and...

The standard minor blues would be a

I minor - IV minor - V7 progression...with the V7 chord having a flat 9th in many cases...

[agocaligiuri]

the song is a blues in minor ,but not aeolian ,is DORIAN ..

bebop specify itself by short ,very quick,and fragmented phrases.

and many chromatic passing.

get it?

free jazz has all of that features too!

but free break every remaining rules...

its a borderline..

[drwinkle101]

Thanks Mike, yes I can hear the head from around 5:30. Also at @ 3:00 bars the melody at bars 9 and 10 are heard from keyboard. So it IS Footprints, though somewhat freely elaborated.

[csilva85]

Yes, it IS 'freely elaborated'....you can't expect Herbie & Wayne to play this tune in the same way they did back in the '60s.

They have the musical ability to reharmonize this tune, as well as many others...that was the whole point of

Miles' "Second Great Quintet"...Miles wanted them [his band] to keep those jazz standards 'fresh'...and those of us who listen will understand the lessons

they [Herbie, Wayne, etal] had learned...

[drwinkle101]

Yes I must listen more closely. I am limited by expectation and resistance.

[csilva85]

A suggestion: If you have a copy of the Miles Davis 'album' "Sorcerer" on CD

[the reissued version], listen to the original released take [the one recorded with Ron Carter on bass] of "Limbo"...then compare it to the alternate take of "Limbo" [the one recorded in Hollywood with Buster Williams on bass].

The 2 versions are different in interpretation [and by the way, if you have the new liner notes by Todd Coolman, just ignore what he says about "Limbo"...].

Learn Miles' solo on the.....

[csilva85]

Learn Miles' solo on the Hollywood version of "Limbo" [I assume you're a musician], to get a feel for the tune [the chord changes & the 3/4 time signature]....

Go back & forth between the 2 versions, analyzing the differences in interpretation.This should help your ear.

[csilva85]

Also check out the following on youtube:

"Wayne Shorter Herbie Hancock Duo - Japan 1998" - this is also a performance

of Footprints...it's just Herbie & Wayne with yet another interpretation of the same

tune....

Hope you like it....

[drwinkle101]

Look, it's either Footprints or it's not. It isn't Footprints because the bass seems vaguely to follow the form. A dog isn't a cat because it's got four legs. If I can't hear the familiar melody then it ISN'T Footprints.

[agocaligiuri]

the song is linked to a chord progression ...in jazz..mister winkle..

the melody spread itself in the intro and outro..

but the solos spread away..!!

just like all the jazz solos in the world!

what we talkin about....

[MikeNichols50]

You better hope Wayne Shorter doesn't read what you wrote...because you may not be invited to play in the band....

[agocaligiuri]

wanna say:

the song is "bebopish" really fragmented..

not so catchy..

AND theres a lot of chromatic passing lines around the standard chords!!!

it aint true?????

[csilva85]

Sorry, Mr. Agocaligiuri:

This [Footprints] is not a ''bebop" song...see my other comments above for more information...

[agocaligiuri]

and yes..

mr. S. HOLMES...

im fuckin italian!

but not eat pizza and not hear pavarotti..

as well as the 90% of the REAL italian people..!!!!!!!!!!!!

not tony soprano...

..hear you soon mr silva !

[drwinkle101]

Ha ha ha!!

Wayne has better things to do than read my dumb comments!!

[MikeNichols50]

Let me "ditto" the comments of Jazzjocke:

Yes, it IS "Footprints"...If you listen to the version on "Miles Smiles" [from 1966]it starts in 3/4 [or in 6/8, actually] but during Miles' solo Tony Williams switches to 4/4.

Today they call that "metric modulation"...

back then, Miles & the band used to do things like that to keep the music "fresh".

Just because it's not in 3/4, or, has a "backbeat" doesn't mean it's not

Footprints....

[agocaligiuri]

allright for the metric modulation..

but.. what kinda of odd voicings uses  the piano for the solos?

..

the chords and the lines -at least in some bars-

it seems completely out of tonality!

or not?

the phrasing is so fragmented and fast that make hard bop.. quite similar to free..

[agocaligiuri]

in fact..

the bass line seems follow to the original chords progression,

but the lines are too chromatic and out of the scale for recognize the main theme mood..

maybe not?

thanks alot..

[MikeNichols50]

You may need to listen to this clip repeatedly to 'get it', but it is not as 'out' as you seem to think...

Listen...open your ears! Stop judging!...

because you will never unlock the secrets

by staying within the 'comfort zone' of your

preconceived ideas.

Learn to listen...listen to learn!

[jazzjocke]

It's footprints allright. After three minutes you here the melodi and changes.

[Geepereet]

Hey Dr Winkle, do you have the correct title for me as being that much expert, please?

[amendez92]

@Geepereet watch part 1 noob

[drwinkle101]

How can this be Footprints? I can't recognise any of the tune in this funk workout, , and the tune anyway is in 3/4

[Geepereet]

Don't ask me but Wayne but from the start is the scheme still recognisable so I do not know why you say such. Ok, a bit free interpretated by Wayne itself but it is called Footprints, its live and you know how some tunes changes during the live performance over some years.............

[drwinkle101]

I don't know what you are hearing but I don't hear a minor blues in 3/4 called Footprints!

[Geepereet]

Well, so as part1 starts and part2 ends in the end, ain't that the tune Footprints at all or am I, (and the director of this broadcast, responsable for the onscreen info, totally wrong?

[drwinkle101]

Yes you and the director are wrong. This is definitely not Footprints. Check out Footprints and you will see,

[Geepereet]

Not that much a big surprise, happened before with a similar show from broadcast, all wrong titles. Have to admit I'm being publishing such without being that much informed (;

[ImproviseNow]

@Geepereet no, this IS footprints.

[agocaligiuri]

if you hear... the version of footprints with the miles quintet in 1967  on the tube..youll hear a really even more indistinguisible "free" version ..

holy crap!!

[agocaligiuri]

in fact they plays free jazz ..without naming that!!!