Dr. Massimo Pigliucci vs Robert Allen Part II

[guitarbyous]

How can you possible know empirically, that a squid has blind spots or not?

[11aaabc]

When the self worshiping smart guys say things like "ALL the biologist, and geologist accept this, or that." That lets me know they are not as smart as they think they are. 3000 years ago Pigliucci would have said ALL us smart guys accept the earth is flat. You deny ALL science if you say its not flat. Now stone this fool for his denial of Science!

[SkepticalAaron]

@11aaabc Science as a rigorous study of different field is only a couple hundred years old,so there were no "scientists" 3000 or even 1000yrs ago. Intuition and philosophical discussion was where we got "the world is flat",because by anyone just standing someplace the world is indeed flat. Rigorous investigation that resembles that we now call the scientific method is what determined the earth was not flat,which was considered a blasphemy against the church and God.So your example fails

[EvilEuropean]

Its like watching a boxer beating up a 2 year old!

[Z00WeeMama]

Robert Allen is actually brilliant, he has successfully trolled all of you.

[BigLundi]

Lol, so much fail Robert, just going and going and going despite not being on the air, and being told such many times.

[HOLYdpsBATMAN]

At 7:00 I feel like he is the Christian Apologetics version of Miss South Carolina.

[HOLYdpsBATMAN]

4:00.... jesus....

[EvelcyclopS]

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[motorcitycobra2009]

Moron, moron, moron, moron, moron, moron. Dr Pigliucci, please, please, please, please, please, just find him, wrap your fingers around his throat and squeeze as hard as you can to make the stupid stop...

[JOEFRO2]

A repugnant amount of stupidity is displayed at 14:40.

[JOEFRO2]

An repugnant amount of stupidity is displayed at 14:40.

[motorcitycobra2009]

What a fucking moron, what the fuck has a Platypus got to do with Homonid evolution? Stupid prick...

[johnnyp76]

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH­HH! HOW DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE WHAT ALLEN BELIEVES!!! I AM SO ANNOYED I AM CAPITALISING! WHAT A TOTAL EEJIT! IGNORANCE IGNORANCE IGNORANCE.

[raskolnikov1873]

I'm embarrassed for Robert Allen. He's in over his head. He should have headed down to the local pre-school to try his ideas out on the toddlers. I'll bet they would have thought he was a smart guy.

[joeypolanski]

Did God create Robert Allen for comic relief?

[purg4t0r1]

Allen is a true scientician!

[saintpine]

"If humans has been around for 200.000 years why did civilization did not evolve before ?"

For a society to culturally to evolve we need a way to conserve and pass on information, so things get better with better language, writing and conservation of documents, structured society and schooling, increasing the basic knowledge the new generation has a higher level to start from, 99% of all our know how has developed in the last 100 years.

[saintpine]

Pigliucci: "How about the blind spot that humans have, is this an engineering mistake ?"

Allen: "If I knew everything about site and everything that the engineer had to take into consideration, all engineers deal with stresses and they have to make compromises between those stresses."

Mr Allen, you are talking about God, he doesn't deal with stress, he doesn't compromise, he could even change the laws of nature to obtain whatever he wants.

Se why do we have an eye "designed" by an asshole ?

[rowenagoldfarb]

This Massimo guy is terrific because he really pins down the opposition and forces him to try, in vain, to explain his points. He remains calm too, which is quite something since I want to run screaming to the streets and I have very little knowledge of evolution. Thanks for these very informative videos. They are great for the "beginner" like me, and for people with advance knowledge as well.

[rev2214]

I think Massimo should quit while he is behind as the case is completley hopeless.

Up until just over a hundred years ago man went about by horse and cart. Since then knowledge has exploded from horse to jet propulsion. If we were here for million of years why has it taken so long?

Evolution is Complete nonsense!!

[adam3251]

@rev2214 You don't understand sociology, archeology, physics and biology, therefore a magic man in the sky created everything? Apparently we haven't come that far from the stone age.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

Since you understand it why don't you explain why the population is only 6 billion consistent with a 6000 yrs history? If we have been here million of years why is there not 200 billion plus. You don't believe God created the world but you think father time did it!! Why don't you get real and reason sensibly instead of just imagining and making thing up?

[adam3251]

@rev2214 Its easy, medicine and commercial farming. Even if that doesn't explain deep time. Is the earth's population all you have? There is mountains of evidence for deep time, and NO direct evidence of a 6000 year old universe. If all of the stars that have been observed, ie we can see their light, were <6000 light years away from the earth then we would be vaporized in a second.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

"medicine and commercial farming?"

So the population is only 6bn after 700K years because of what?

"Is the earth's population all you have?"

Well, no! But that is all you need to conclusively prove that the evolution theory is completely illogical and false!!

[adam3251]

@rev2214 Your logic is wrong at best and silly at worst. The population of the world has increased 1bn since 1999. Does that make the earth 60 years old. It has increased from 1 to 7 bn since 1800. Does that make the earth 200 yrs old? Plagues in the 500s and 1300s reduced the world population by nearly half each time. Modern medicine and the development of agriculture have slowed these terrors, (not prayer, by the way). FYI there were only 60-70 million under the Romans. It took 4000yrs? HA

[rev2214]

@adam3251

On the contrary. Citing the population increase in recent times proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that if the earth was any older then 6,000 yrs, we would have been completely and utterly overpopulated.

[adam3251]

@rev2214 So you are saying that technology had no part in the population boom. How do you explain light? If all the observed stars were less than 6000 light years from us we would be destroyed in a second, and before you posit that light changes speed. It doesn't. Ever. Never has.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

Whether it did or not is irrelevant. Nothing can explain how the population is only 6bn after 700k years at the growth rate even pre technology. The current population is perfectly consistent with a growth rate of 6k yrs.That is the only thing that makes any sense!!

[adam3251]

@rev2214 So the only evidence you have is a wild assertion about the population of the earth, based on your credulity. You are a prime example of why religion and the bible specifically poisons minds.

[eaglesbow]

@adam3251

Religion could be made to mean whatever you wish but truth cannot.

Evolution is also a modern for of religion requiring it's adherents to subscribe to and idea the evidence for which can only be found in the imagination!!

[adam3251]

@eaglesbow Evolution as a Theory is not an ethos. It doesn't "require" anything. It doesn't require any belief from anyone. It is simply and explanation, and answer to a question. Religion has no epistimology. Religion can give no answers, it can only assert. On the question of the descent of the species, evolution gives us an explaination, while religions and the bible, specifically don't. The answer religions give us is, "Magicman did it". I am sorry but that isn't good enough.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

Your theory would be far better off with 700k as 4.5B only compound the problem. You cannot put the absurd in front of the ridiculous and hope to come up with science this is just fiction on a grand scale.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

So how is that? You tell me the earth is some 700k years old and I showed you that it is totally impossible mainly because life on the planet would have become insupportable due to the overwhelming population.

So is reason, logic and evidence poison for no other reason than it disproves you fancies?

[adam3251]

@rev2214 @rev2214 I can't do your homework for you. Read about the Arguement from Ignorance , this is a logical fallacy and it is the form of your logic, also check out inductive logic versus a reductive form. The earth is 4.5 billion years old not 700k. There are multiple lines of evidence for this dating. It stands regardless of your credulity.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

Your theory would be far better off with 700k as 4.5b only compound the problem. This is just fable on a grand scale. You cannot place the absurd in front of the ridiculous and hope to come up with science all you will end up with is stupidity!!

[adam3251]

@rev2214 Its not my Theory. There are over 40 different radiometric dating techniques that confirm the age of the earth at 4.54 billion years. The weight of evidence is not in your favor here. That is 40 different types of tests performed on varied samples by independent researchers spread out all over the globe, they are tested and recreated and confirmed, and all you have is incredulity. Where are the tests? Where is the evidence? Or do you have more dusty old myths?

[rev2214]

@adam3251

4.5B years is just a number plucked out from someones fevered imagination. This is the kind of thing that makes it so dangerous when we allow others to do our thinking for us. They trawl for men with fiction and the gullible swallow it line hook and sinker. They are telling you it is science but it is all lies. If you wish to know the truth compare both sides of the science. One is science and the other is science fiction!!

[adam3251]

@rev2214 Again that is 40 independent different types of test administered by several 100s of people spread out over the entire globe. These people have no knowledge of each other and sometimes adverse religions and ideologies. Yet they all agree. What do you have. Wild assertions from a worthless bible. Lie and immorality presented as the inerrant word of an evil non-existent god. You have yet to present evidence beyond wild credulous assertions.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

So it seem you have done some research and found out something on the subject.

What you have observed is indeed remarkable that people across so many centuries could write on the most controversial subject known to man and yet achieve perfect harmony across their writings!! Truly amazing!!

[adam3251]

@rev2214 I am not sure what you if you are referring to the body of research that has found the age of the earth but deep time has only been developing for about 200 years. Also, of not when it comes to the age of the earth. There are test that have been confirmed across multiple disciplines, geology, archeology, palentology, cosmology, chemistry, etc. This isn't a cabal of people conspiring to prove the religious fairy-tale books wrong. They are scientists searching for the answers.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

Scientists can usually be trusted when they stick with science and I all for that. What I strongly object to is when they come up with such garbage like the big bang and then say it is science when it is nothing but the figment of someone's fevered imagination. Worse thing is people who don't have a clue as to the difference between science and science fiction are being destroyed indiscriminately.

[adam3251]

@rev2214 Again, the Big Bang stands reguardless of your credulity. Multiple lines of evidence from multiple sources seem to confirm the Big Bang hypothesis. General Relitivity predicts it, and there are multiple lines of evidence for that. Red-shift, cosmic microwave back-ground radiation, stellar evolution, this is just the evidence that is directly visible. There are also the equations which predict the event. Multiple people in multiple places, over multiple disciplines confirm this.

[eaglesbow]

@adam3251

The big bang originated in the imagination and has only ever existed in the mind. Having a strong faith in anything does not make it a science.

Since you claim there is no proof for evolution why is anyone still having this discussion. From the time evolurionists admitted it could not be proved it was game over. So this being the case we can now move on to talking about and exploring the purpose of why GOD created the world and the effect SIN has has had on the planet, can't we?

[adam3251]

@eaglesbow There is multiple lines of evidence from many different fields of study for evolution. The Bibile isn't one of them. The god of the bible is a fictional creation just like Darth Vader and Hanibal Lector. Doesn't exist, never has.

[adparker314]

@eaglesbow

No and here's why:

The idea of gods originated in the imagination and has only ever existed in the mind. Having a strong faith in anything does not make it a science.

Since you claim there is no proof for gods why is anyone still having this discussion. From the time faith-heads admitted it could not be proved it was game over.

Not being able to prove something absolutely (the remit of mathematics and formal logic alone) does in no way mean "game over.'

[eaglesbow]

@adparker314

You have your wires crossed!

Faith has never claimed to be a science and therefore not subject to the scrutiny of science since science is incapable of explaining the supernatural or the paranormal. Evolution, on the other hand, claims to be science and is therefore subject to empirical evidence. Since evolution has failed every single scientific test it just proves beyond any doubt that is is just a new age religion based upon wishful thinking and nothing more!!!

[adparker314]

@eaglesbow

Um what?!

The theory of evolution has PASSED every single scientific test - that's why it IS a current theory. Where have you been getting your (mis)information?

And are you saying that religious claims should be given a free pass, just because they are magical?!

Have you never considered that the reason why science (specialised form of reasoning) is unable to find "the supernatural" might be that there is none? And that this might be a good reason not to believe any of it?

[adam3251]

@eaglesbow It can be proved to a reasonable degree. I never claimed there was no proof for evolution. Re-read it. There are MULTIPLE lines of EVIDENCE. Literally thousands of pieces of evidence. Crack a science book, instead of old dusty myths.

[rev2214]

@adam3251

according to your theory the stone age was between 650,000 and 700, 000 ago.

So I am still asking why is the population only 6billion.? Maths don't lie. Just do the numbers!!

[joeypolanski]

Someone should measure Robert Allen's cranium ...

... Show him a transitional form UP CLOSE.

[motorcitycobra2009]

The squid eye debate; painful, slow agony. He has the debating ability of a spoilt 4 year old. Fucking turd is making me want to punch church-goers. ARSEHOLE...

[motorcitycobra2009]

Robert Allen is the biggest fucking idiot I have ever had the distinct pleasure of listening to. A prize cunt of the highest fucking order. Whoever awarded him his qualifications should be shot in public. That it took him the best part of 36 minutes to drop the 'Bible' bombshell. 'Er? Er? Er?' This should be the death-knell for creationism, the bumbling fucking moron...

[mastersausagemaker]

If scientists were even inclined to use the technical language associated with their field of study these morons debating them would not even be able to understand the most trivial of arguments as it appears they have close to no understanding of even the elementary basics.

[mastersausagemaker]

It appears to be very easy to obtain a university degree in Mississippi.

[dontbedifficult1]

What a little child.

[RebelGuy95]

Where in the fuck did Allen get a legitimate Masters? Kent Hovind sounds like a genius compared to this loser!

[RNHTNV]

Please 'O Please lets at least have a 'reasonably intelligent' ID/Creationist to debate Massimo... if that is possible! ;)

[mannster23]

Allen is about as compotent as a 2nd grader. Fuck he's really pathetic. He's a total loss and I think he knows it. Ohh, There he goes saying he gets his beliefs from the bible, nothing more needs to be said! This guy is a real clown. Dumb, really dumb and Massimo and the host are more than generous to him.

[saintpine]

Shit my brother in law is a perfect intermediate between apes and man.

Apes think he's an ape, men think he's an ape, but shit he speaks, sings and farts like humans.

[KeoghsGuides]

I feel sorry for Robert, he got owned so bad :(

[irishmauddib]

6:07 "No.... no.... well yes". Does the guy think at ALL before speaking?

[Nades129]

damn! massimo.

aggressive much. Id be aggressive too, but the guys a total loon

[spleenblender]

Every "scientist" on Allen's side can defend their position just as well as Allen. Deluded fools...

[lamase24]

Going from nothing or moving very slow does matter when there was no destination in mind.

[ChemEBeaver]

It must be hard for creationist to become scientists. They have to cover their eyes when they see something that goes against their beliefs, and thats a lot.

[CDTOE]

Robert Allen is very stupid , Massimo Pigliucci kicked Allen's ass in this debate !

[thedayitriedtodie]

@CDTOE

lol, have u seen him against hovind?

[irishmauddib]

6:10 LOL "No.... no..... I mean yes...."

[yourfriendanneighbor]

how in the hell did this Allen jackass get his Master's? In the last video, when pressed for a definition of science, he started spewing forth random words he remembers having read in his high school textbook.

IG & MASS: What is science?

ALL: Energy and mass. Potential and kinetic, the so-called ability to do work.

WTF? He sounds like a 10 year old trying to impress the teacher.

[neoarcadezr]

@yourfriendanneighbor he got it from a religious school

[Tdotjace1]

Robert Allen is actually a moron... He must be high on something....

[PISTOLcm]

Summary:

Ahhh...UMMMMM...well, gee...Im not going to tell you because you'll shut down the discussion.

[kalsolarUK]

damn I'm worn out just listening! lol.

[Domzdream]

Robert Alan is a jacknife!

Also, is it just me or does it seem like anybody with that texan southern sort of accent are pretty undeucated? Statistics show, the further one is from a city, the more superstitious one is, hence uneducated and religious.

[PISTOLcm]

He sounds like that Pigglet from Winnie the Pooh.

[Domzdream]

Oh, d-d-d-d-dear. (piglet used to do that. I loved winnie the pooh).

[EnigmaHood]

You know, Robert was wrong when he said Massimo dodged the question asked of him at around 19:30. The caller did not ask where DNA came from, he asked how it EVOLVED. Then Robert claimed that Massimo dodged the question of where DNA came from when that's not what the caller asked at all.

[bierdopjeee]

Indeed.

[okapitheif]

Maybe the caller was speaking hick code for origin rather than evolution of DA...

[EnigmaHood]

Yeah probably.

[dilmo22]

The question why is Massimo wasting his time with this dumb ass!

[a012345]

To educate the public so we would have less dumbasses like Allen, Hovind and christianbrecht and to stop their already debunked lies.

[PoJonez]

Robert Allen is a fraud.

[Rhine0Cowboy]

I was rolling on the floor when Robert goes al indignant when he finds out science doesn't deal with the supernatural.

[Person009]

I love Regy with all "huhs?"

[philhellenes]

"What's a platypus got to do with it?" Hysterical!

Scientist: "Would you call a hominid fossil with form, gait, cranial capacity halfway between ape and man transitional?"

Creationist: "No"

I nearly shat myself! Divine comedy.

[IdleGod]

This is the funniest debate I have ever seen. Robert Allen keeps painting himself into the corner.

[grelnixar]

04:00 --> Yeah. Exactly. -- Man I laughed my ass off.

[rowsdowersavesus]

me too!

[freedom0f5peech]

This is better than stand up comedy!!!!

I LOVE IT!!!!!!

[kurtilein3]

really much better than the debate with kent hovind.

here pigliucci really takes it to the topic, and doesnt try to stay away from religion. and suddenly the creationist really gets exposed.

this is exactly what needs to be done each and every time scientists debate creationism :)

[a012345]

Kent Hovind is a spin artist and he make so many strawmen it's hard to defend. He goes for sound bits and things that makes sense unless if you think about it a bit. He mades you explain his question for 30 mins and just disregard it with another question. It's not even a debate but just Kent rapid firing questions to attack evolution without any bases. The thing that pisses me off is he and Robert have almost no concept of what science or evolution even is.

[Katalyzt]

robert allen in definitely an idiot...

Katalyzt

[j3rdog]

That was me that was the first caller there. I had actually forgotten about this show . that was a surprise to me to hear myself like that. But anyways his "response" to my question did not interact with the challenge. I know that the muscles on the skin react to the cold. But what use is that if there is no hair hooked to them to puff up an add a layer of warmth protection? gesh! Thats like having an electric starter on a motor with no spark plugs.

[SirVictory]

I laughed a few times, it was enjoyable.