We accept different forms of religion, and we accept monogamy because of our culture, let people choose their relationships if this is what they want. Majority of people in monogamist relationships end up cheating or leaving their partner anyways. Don't hate because you don't understand, figure shit out before you you think this is crazy. I just want the choice to be in whatever relationship I choose to be in without someone else telling me I can or cannot be in simply because its different.
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That is because you don't study the Scripture friend. Remember, discussion and stories are different from endorse. God is perfectly "happy killing innocent people?" Let me quote you a Bible verse to counter your ignorance, ""Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live." Eze. 18:23 If God is not please to see wicked people die how much more the innocent? Hello!!! Study your Bible please.
@ByJustified "Remember, discussion and stories are different from endorse."
I recognize the difference. With full context, god is still endorsing polygamy.
"God is perfectly "happy killing innocent people?" Let me quote you a Bible verse to counter your ignorance,"
Quoting a line which says god doesn't like killing wicked people doesn't mean there aren't other lines which demonstrate god's willingness to kill innocent people. The bible contradicts itself frequently this way.
@BailiffQuimby At face value, this seems to suggest that God gave David multiple wives, and then stood ready to add to his harem with divine sanction. Of course, that’s precisely the problem with pressing Scripture into a wooden literal labyrinth, because—in truth—if Nathan’s words are anything at all, they are ironic. David had just murdered a man in order to have another woman appended to his harem.
@BailiffQuimby Despite the generosity of the very God who had made him sovereign ruler of the land, the king had stolen the wife of a servant and that to satisfy his carnal lust. Thus, in language that dripped with irony, Nathan the prophet pronounces judgment against Israel’s king. As such, 2 Samuel 12 hardly constitutes divine approval for the practice of polygamy.
@ByJustified NOTHING you have said changes the fact that God blessed his favored with multiple wives. You can call it ironic as much as you want. But it is clear from the text that God gave David multiple wives as a blessing and only god pissed off when he took another man's wife. Your personal interpretation and sad attempt to change the obvious meaning of the bible would be an obvious case of blasphemy, if I believed anything in the bible had any merit whatsoever.
@BailiffQuimby And this is not a singular case. As with David, Solomon, David’s son, had extravagances in multiplying not only horses, but multiplying wives, and that was a significant factor in the unraveling of a kingdom. Who can forget the explicit admonition of Moses in Deuteronomy 17:17: Do not multiply wives or your heart will be led astray! (Adapted from the article, "Does 2 Samuel 12 approve of Polygamy?" by Hank Hanegraaff)
@ByJustified Also, "studying it together" doesn't mean finding an apologist whose personal interpretation agrees with your perspective and quoting him. I can find many people who have read that verse and interpreted it the same way I have. Is your god so piss-poor at communicating that he could be against polygamy and still write about what a great thing it is in his book?
@BailiffQuimby Then why not quote them and let see who has more weightier evidence. Bring it on because we can still show you that the Scripture is against polygamy, polyandry, polyamory, fornication, and adultery. People who does these things are just wallowing in sins. I'm sure they are enjoying these temporal lustful sins for now while they are young. But I am very much sure that when they reach old age they will surely regret (verbally or secretly) the sins they did in the past.
Because, as I was just saying, arguments from authority are fallacious. You got arguments & evidence, present it. No quotes necessary. My argument is that people should be free to love as they wish without your prior approval. And until there is evidence that your god exists, his opinion isn't all that important.
"Bring it on because we can still show you that the Scripture is against polygamy"
You can't, and even if you could, it wouldn't matter, because "Scripture" is just an old book and has no moral authority over anyone or anything (phew)
"People who does these things are just wallowing in sins"
That shit is really freaky (and not in a good way). I don't want my woman sharing me and I ain't sharing my woman with anyone else when it comes down to sex. That's not biblical. God created love/sex/relationships for one man and one woman, Not for all this multiple realtionship bullshit....
@BailiffQuimby God did not endorse what King David did, nor does it endorse polygamy. Furthermore, If these men and women want multiple lovers (as seen here), then they really don't see their significant other as nothing but a play toy like the others. As far as I'm concerned, a real man or a real woman doesn't share who is of value to him or her with NO ONE, neither man nor woman.
@groundhog713 "God did not endorse what King David did, nor does it endorse polygamy"
Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. God GAVE king David his multiple wives. GAVE them to him. He didn't just sit back and watch and quietly disapprove. He HANDED THESE WOMEN TO HIM for him to marry. How is that not an endorsement?
"If these men and women want multiple lovers (as seen here), then they really don't see their significant other as nothing but a play toy"
It is horribly arrogant and presumptuous of you to think you know what's going on in someone else's head. I'm dismissing this statement as naive, rude, and completely baseless.
Freedom of choice: that's what life should be about. Freedom with the only boundary set by the territory of others. I don't see why anybody should have the right to dictate the way a group of people SHOULD relate to each other. Our society falls into discriminatory behavior when the choices of others aren't respected. Lack of respect is shown when life style becomes an issue at work place or in the tax laws.
A couple things that bother me about the description on this video. First of all, I don't believe that polyamory is the future. Is it some people's future? Absolutely. But it's not for everyone.
And I'm sorry but just because having more than one partner is allowed, does not mean there is not jealousy at times.
And third: I don't care whether or not this is a "justifiable alternative" to monogamy, because as far as I'm concerned: I don't have to justify my life to anyone except my lovers.
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wa wa wa wa wait.... so they get married, and then, no matter wat gender, the middle person gets a bf or gf????? tht makes the other one HOMO and the other one cheating on someone with someone else, while both those someones were also going out...???? wow everyones cheating on everyone :P wEiRd o.O
My name is Mike and my girlfriend and I have been open to polyamory for months now. We dated one girl together so far, not in the form of two people love one person, but everyone loves everyone. This was my girlfriend's idea, and believe me, our hearts really are wired for this! Our love wasn't divided, it was compounded! There was no jealousy either, because we knew we weren't going anywhere. I'm firm in the belief that love knows no bounds, and this is no exception.
I would totally go for this polyamory thing if my wife and my lover agreed, but unfortunately neither of them can stand the idea of it...so I'm kind of stuck with both of them wanting to strangle me.
BAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! All I see is people with issues. Gay guy so in the closet that he has 3 girlfriends? Sad. Come out, already! 2 men with such low self-esteem that they choose a slug in a mumu? Just really really pathetic.
@cinnamonclaw Actually, I know the "guy with three girlfriends" -- as do many in the poly community. One of those "girlfriends" you mention is his his wife. He's definitely NOT in the closet. If he were gay, he would have the integrity to say so, and be respected for it. Hmmm. While everyone has issues, I wonder why you need to project your own nonsense onto others?
i don`t think that everybody understood what i wanted to say somebody called me intolerant because i can`t sympathize that much with the idea to have a partner who got another partner(i don`t want to offend people in polygamy relationships i just can`t imagine it for myself)by the way he/she didn`t even has the guts to tell me what he/she thinks about me but to tell it the rest of the world luckily i`m not dumb enough to conclude a bad charakter from that ...maybe
Nothing wrong with monogamy, I LOVE being POLY myself. However, no one can say "That's that's the way it should be". Among consenting adults, what ever works for you works. The thing is, you don't own people. Your man can never truly be yours, unless you lock him in the basement, and vice versa. Some folks mistake possesiveness for love. This is my penis, that's my vagina. Please, the only one you can ever posses is yourself.
@JustASceneToHate Love isn't selfish-- love is about how much you care about the OTHER person, and want them to grow and be happy, not about trying to 'possess' them so you feel more secure. It's normal to be afraid that if they love someone else, they love you less, but think about parents-- parents can love more than one child at a time. Likewise, adults can love more than one adult at a time. I can't see why it would be better to love less people instead of more.
@bKiwiD I do get where you're coming from.. but I agree with JustASceneToHate because I love my fiance in a full sense. A way that no one else does.. and he loves in the same. It doesn't mean that I don't love other people! I make a point to tell many people that I love them.. but at the end of the day I just like knowing that there is one man in my life and there is one woman in his... does that make sense? lol sorry if it doesn't!
@bKiwiD unless you're God, you cannot suggest that there is one type of love. there are many types of love: love to human beings in general, love to your friends,your family, your friends family, your sexual partner,your children. and the valency of each type of love differs at case. what is biologically and psychologically normal is that you should love your children most of all,because they cary your genes, among other reasons. so the parent -child example does not really make a point.
@bKiwiD the sexual love you're talking about is a way too complicated subject for you to call it "love". you should be careful of what you say and think about it carefully. people are very connected to their sexual partners in such a way like they will never be with anyone else. those feelings evolved after some time,they help the connection be stronger so that they can build a so called healthy relationship. it takes one man and one woman to make a child, and a relationship.
@bKiwiD the sexual love you're talking about is a way too complicated subject for you to call it "love". you should be careful of what you say and think about it carefully. people are very connected to their sexual partners in such a way like they will never be with anyone else. those feelings evolved after some time,they help the connection be stronger so that they can build a so called healthy relationship. it takes one man and one woman to make a child, and a relationship.
@JustASceneToHate Hav u any evidence to back this normative statement up? It would appear that a monogamous relationship - the conventional standard - clearly does not suit everybody. Look at increasing divorce rates. Look at the significant rates of infidelity within monogamous relationships. I'm not saying that a polyamoric relationship is for everybody, but the same is obviously true of the reverse. You're mistaking ur own subjectivist views with objective fact. Just thought 2 point that out.
btu see that works for you.. and its a psuedo christian-catholic way to view things... but what happens if you find two men who are different. but both fill the "void" in your life.. theyre the perfect guy for you but you cant differentiate between the two of them.. your views would dictate you to choose one of them.. possibly the right one.. with the way society is you never know. just keep in mind.. your opinions are your own.. i find polyamourism to be beautiful.. <3<3<3<3
@JustASceneToHate no it should be as you want and feal it to be right. who says and where dose it say that its not righ tto haev many loves and DONT throw the bible in to this
What a shame there is so much judgmental ignorance showing itself here. Sushi387, despite what you assume about "normal" women, the polyamory movement is being led primarily by strong women who know what they want and live their lives on their own terms. The last thing they are is victims. Neither is the black gentleman in question, who is a long-time member of that lovely family.
I find it beautiful and inspiring! Monogamy, polyamory- whatever works for the people involved.
How can love- true feelings of connection and concern and a desire to share your life with people in mutually respectful relationships- ever be wrong, or ugly?
Not everyone can handle polyamory. It is built into your genes.You have it or you do not have it. It is very natural for someone to be able to love multiple partners and also to have enough trust in their partners to let them free. The question "who you love more" has no meaning with polyamoric people. We have frubble, we enjoy that our partner loves someone else and share this wonderfull feeling in an empathic way.
Polyamoric relationships are complex, so we are forced to learn more about relationships dynamics in order to handle it. Unlike monogamic relationships, there is no competition between the partners because nothing is hidden and people are open and honest to each partner. There is no scare of losing, and that turns in less jealousy.
Polyamory has nothing to do with sex! But it is possible that you could have sex with both of your partners but is not required.
What does normal look like? Even if someone tells you that they love you more than anyone in the entire universe. You know, the fantasy folks grow up hearing from day one. Do you really think you are the only one they find attractive, think about, or would like to be with. On a planet of 6 BILLION People, you really believe their love for you pales in comparison for anyone else. But I guess that totally unrealistic view point is NORMAL right?
@Jhoods2800 Are you trying to change my opinion on polyamory? If so, you better step up your game, cuz that was weak.
YOU may promise YOUR 1st partner you'll be with 'em at all costs, but the way YOU choose to live your romantic/sexual life isn't universal. Plus, what you described isn't just monoamorous- many poly folks promise to be with their 1st love at all costs. Then they make the same promise to another who comes into their lives. And boom- you've got a triad/V living happily ever after.
People call it "polyamory," "polyandry" or "polygamy." They try their best to sugarcoat sin by using terms to deviate many people from seeing these as adultery, fornication, homosexuality, and lesbianism. The real fact is that these people are hurt deep inside and they are not really proud of what they do. They can only face the camera smiling but left to their own they are dying inside. They cannot tamper with God's original design which is monogamy. This is still the right way to do marriage.
@ByJustified I am an atheist, so I judge the acceptability and goodness of a relationship arrangement on three factors- enthusiastic, informed, of-age consent, emotional and psychological health, and happiness. If it has all three, it gets my seal of approval. The only difference between you and I seems to be that I LISTEN to what others report instead of telling them what I think they should be feeling. Well, that, and I'm happy for others when they're happy, instead of angry and/or bitter.
@cand86 Since the time monogamy was introduced by the Lord in the Garden of Eden many people have tried tampering and distorting this divine institution as if they could create a healthy society with this kind of practice. People who practiced adultery and fornication will of course tolerate this polygamous practice because to condemn such will mean to condemn them also. Yes, I know there is a time to listen but there is also a time to expose such wickedness. Go back to Jesus Christ friend.
@ByJustified Again, I am an atheist, so if you want to try to engage with me on any level, you are going to need to convince me that polyamory makes people suffer IN THIS LIFE- not in the next. The existence of happy, psychologically healthy polyamorous people is proof that, when not taking religion into account, polyamory in principle is a fine, moral institution- same as monogamy. I'm not interested in saving souls- I'm interested in the health and well-being of people here and now.
@ByJustified what kinda shit is that you have no proof the garden of eden ,adam eve or any of that shit was there all you know is one day you werent here and the next day you were and was fed all this shit about heaven hell and so on you base your life on a book written by men to govern men and if this is wrong in the eyes of god why were they so many ppl who practiced this in the bible for god sakes there were even incestual relationships in the bible what does that tell you
@BailiffQuimby... That is how far an atheist person with so-called "moral" will argue. I really believe you need Jesus Christ in your heart. You are really hurting emotionally. Jesus can truly transform you. By the way, I will pray for you and your family. May God bless you even more.
@BailiffQuimby Wow! That means you do believe in the existence of God. Thanks for asking me to pray for you a new car. At least that's a good start. The Lord is already working in your heart. Praise God!
@BailiffQuimby That's not mocking friend but the response of a heart filled with conscience. You cannot escape that. God is truly working in your heart. I will not be surprise if one day you will become a staunch follower of Jesus Christ.
@ByJustified "That's not mocking friend but the response of a heart filled with conscience."
Somehow in your twisted version of morality, requesting that you ask your god, who I don't believe in, to give me a new car means that I have a heart filled with conscience? Do you have any clue how twisted and backwards that is? I do have a conscience and morality, but my teasing you about your imaginary friend is hardly the best evidence of it.
@ByJustified My conscience is comprised of both inborn instincts to get along with other people and learned behaviors which facilitate such relationships. I construct my own morality based on practical implications of my behaviors, and careful weighing of consequences for both myself and others. Some such behaviors I knew instinctively. Some I learned through trial and error, and some were taught to me by friends, family, and other role models. Same as you.
@BailiffQuimby What? Construct your own morality? Where did you get the idea of "morality" in the first place? If you are not the originator of morality then that simply means you are just tampering the original. Please do not do that.
@ByJustified "Where did you get the idea of "morality" in the first place?"
Before I knew the world, I was constructing behavior patterns which would help me get along with people around me, just because it's common sense that getting along with people around me will be beneficial for me as well as them. You don't need to be taught that.
@ByJustified "then that simply means you are just tampering the original."
If there were a reason to think there was an "original" that I was tampering with, you STILL wouldn't have a good point, because your god's morality is deplorably amoral. He is in favor of rape, murder, slavery and genocide. If he WERE real, I still would follow my own superior morality.
@ByJustified What, for god being in favor of rape, murder, slavery and genocide? The bible i littered with them. There are lists of rules for how to buy, sell and beat slaves. There are long chapters in which God orders his chosen people to slaughter entire cities, and to keep the virginal women for themselves. If you've ever read the bible, then you will know this already. But if you have not read the bible, then let me know and I'll dig up some verses for you.
@BailiffQuimby The fact that you without any cultural, time, biblical or even any knowledge at all chooses to judge the biblical content with your own dismoralised eyes makes me angry. You do not know anything about the time nor do you know anything about the way people lived and were in those days. The fact that God did set up some rules of war made is organised and saved thousands of people from being raped and molested, it made the jews have something no other country had: Moral.
@Jayslollipop "The fact that you without any cultural, time, biblical or even any knowledge at all..."
...is a false fact, and you're grasping at ad-hominem attacks.
"chooses to judge the biblical content with your own dismoralised eyes"
My morality is a great deal superior to biblical morality, as aforementioned. If you disagree, then you'll have to justify all the instances of god-condoned genocide, rape, and slavery in the bible.
@Jayslollipop "it made the jews have something no other country had: Moral."
As I said before, you've got your work cut out for you if you plan on explaining how, in any context, god ordering his people to commit genocide, rape, own slaves, etc, makes his followers "moral". Hope to hear back from you soon, friend.
@ByJustified I don't want to get accused of taking things out of context. Learn about god's opinion of genocide in Exodus, Deuteronomy, and 2 Kings among others. Slavery is discussed in Exodus, Ephesians, etc. The stories of Lot and Job further detail God's immoral behavior. God is perfectly happy killing innocent people or ordering the slaughter of innocent people if it works well for his master plan. It's vile.
I think they basically are like a huge family with BENEFITS
iheartBESTIES 1 week ago
WOW alot of code words were thrown around in this vid...love it!
nastyblock 2 weeks ago
We accept different forms of religion, and we accept monogamy because of our culture, let people choose their relationships if this is what they want. Majority of people in monogamist relationships end up cheating or leaving their partner anyways. Don't hate because you don't understand, figure shit out before you you think this is crazy. I just want the choice to be in whatever relationship I choose to be in without someone else telling me I can or cannot be in simply because its different.
GrabYourKankles 1 month ago
Bunch of freaks!!!
sajm4315 1 month ago
WTF!
heeheeheeheeheehee 1 month ago
Does this make anyone else think Fred/Hermione/George?
danaandersen97 1 month ago
Threesome anyone?
bamazudi 1 month ago
lol wth
RocketSmurf85 1 month ago
no wonder we have so many people who cheat....
Glessen78 1 month ago
whatthehell
Charlyislief 2 months ago
it takes a different mind set thats for sure, not for the weak minded.
zz4r 2 months ago
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RandiGodshaw 4 months ago
@RandiGodshaw Can you PM me when you know when this episode will air (and on what station, etc)?
BailiffQuimby 4 months ago
That is because you don't study the Scripture friend. Remember, discussion and stories are different from endorse. God is perfectly "happy killing innocent people?" Let me quote you a Bible verse to counter your ignorance, ""Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live." Eze. 18:23 If God is not please to see wicked people die how much more the innocent? Hello!!! Study your Bible please.
ByJustified 4 months ago
@ByJustified "Remember, discussion and stories are different from endorse."
I recognize the difference. With full context, god is still endorsing polygamy.
"God is perfectly "happy killing innocent people?" Let me quote you a Bible verse to counter your ignorance,"
Quoting a line which says god doesn't like killing wicked people doesn't mean there aren't other lines which demonstrate god's willingness to kill innocent people. The bible contradicts itself frequently this way.
BailiffQuimby 4 months ago
@BailiffQuimby... Quote a specific passage please to defend your point. Let's see and study it together.
ByJustified 4 months ago
@ByJustified Which point? God promoting polygamy? Sure - 2 Samuel 12:8.
BailiffQuimby 4 months ago
@BailiffQuimby At face value, this seems to suggest that God gave David multiple wives, and then stood ready to add to his harem with divine sanction. Of course, that’s precisely the problem with pressing Scripture into a wooden literal labyrinth, because—in truth—if Nathan’s words are anything at all, they are ironic. David had just murdered a man in order to have another woman appended to his harem.
ByJustified 3 months ago
@BailiffQuimby Despite the generosity of the very God who had made him sovereign ruler of the land, the king had stolen the wife of a servant and that to satisfy his carnal lust. Thus, in language that dripped with irony, Nathan the prophet pronounces judgment against Israel’s king. As such, 2 Samuel 12 hardly constitutes divine approval for the practice of polygamy.
ByJustified 3 months ago
@ByJustified NOTHING you have said changes the fact that God blessed his favored with multiple wives. You can call it ironic as much as you want. But it is clear from the text that God gave David multiple wives as a blessing and only god pissed off when he took another man's wife. Your personal interpretation and sad attempt to change the obvious meaning of the bible would be an obvious case of blasphemy, if I believed anything in the bible had any merit whatsoever.
BailiffQuimby 3 months ago
@BailiffQuimby And this is not a singular case. As with David, Solomon, David’s son, had extravagances in multiplying not only horses, but multiplying wives, and that was a significant factor in the unraveling of a kingdom. Who can forget the explicit admonition of Moses in Deuteronomy 17:17: Do not multiply wives or your heart will be led astray! (Adapted from the article, "Does 2 Samuel 12 approve of Polygamy?" by Hank Hanegraaff)
ByJustified 3 months ago
@ByJustified Also, "studying it together" doesn't mean finding an apologist whose personal interpretation agrees with your perspective and quoting him. I can find many people who have read that verse and interpreted it the same way I have. Is your god so piss-poor at communicating that he could be against polygamy and still write about what a great thing it is in his book?
BailiffQuimby 3 months ago
@BailiffQuimby Then why not quote them and let see who has more weightier evidence. Bring it on because we can still show you that the Scripture is against polygamy, polyandry, polyamory, fornication, and adultery. People who does these things are just wallowing in sins. I'm sure they are enjoying these temporal lustful sins for now while they are young. But I am very much sure that when they reach old age they will surely regret (verbally or secretly) the sins they did in the past.
ByJustified 3 months ago
@ByJustified "Then why not quote them"
Because, as I was just saying, arguments from authority are fallacious. You got arguments & evidence, present it. No quotes necessary. My argument is that people should be free to love as they wish without your prior approval. And until there is evidence that your god exists, his opinion isn't all that important.
BailiffQuimby 3 months ago
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@ByJustified
"Bring it on because we can still show you that the Scripture is against polygamy"
You can't, and even if you could, it wouldn't matter, because "Scripture" is just an old book and has no moral authority over anyone or anything (phew)
"People who does these things are just wallowing in sins"
...in your personal and uninteresting opinion.
BailiffQuimby 3 months ago
@ByJustified
"But I am very much sure that when they reach old age they will surely regret (verbally or secretly) the sins they did in the past."
Why are you sure of this? There are many elderly polyamorous people without regrets over who they are.
BailiffQuimby 3 months ago
That shit is really freaky (and not in a good way). I don't want my woman sharing me and I ain't sharing my woman with anyone else when it comes down to sex. That's not biblical. God created love/sex/relationships for one man and one woman, Not for all this multiple realtionship bullshit....
groundhog713 4 months ago
@groundhog713 "I don't want my woman sharing me"
Nobody is making you. But it isn't your business if other people want this type of relationship.
"That's not biblical"
The bible promotes polygamy.
"God created love/sex/relationships for one man and one woman"
Then explain why he gave King David multiple wives.
BailiffQuimby 4 months ago
@BailiffQuimby God did not endorse what King David did, nor does it endorse polygamy. Furthermore, If these men and women want multiple lovers (as seen here), then they really don't see their significant other as nothing but a play toy like the others. As far as I'm concerned, a real man or a real woman doesn't share who is of value to him or her with NO ONE, neither man nor woman.
groundhog713 4 months ago
@groundhog713 "God did not endorse what King David did, nor does it endorse polygamy"
Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. God GAVE king David his multiple wives. GAVE them to him. He didn't just sit back and watch and quietly disapprove. He HANDED THESE WOMEN TO HIM for him to marry. How is that not an endorsement?
BailiffQuimby 4 months ago
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@groundhog713
"If these men and women want multiple lovers (as seen here), then they really don't see their significant other as nothing but a play toy"
It is horribly arrogant and presumptuous of you to think you know what's going on in someone else's head. I'm dismissing this statement as naive, rude, and completely baseless.
BailiffQuimby 4 months ago
@groundhog713
"a real man or a real woman doesn't share who is of value to him or her with NO ONE,"
Does that go for children too? Should I not have a second child? Should I not share parenting with my wife?
BailiffQuimby 4 months ago
Freedom of choice: that's what life should be about. Freedom with the only boundary set by the territory of others. I don't see why anybody should have the right to dictate the way a group of people SHOULD relate to each other. Our society falls into discriminatory behavior when the choices of others aren't respected. Lack of respect is shown when life style becomes an issue at work place or in the tax laws.
frafor 5 months ago
You guys need a parade.
Lordofthenipplerings 6 months ago
A couple things that bother me about the description on this video. First of all, I don't believe that polyamory is the future. Is it some people's future? Absolutely. But it's not for everyone.
And I'm sorry but just because having more than one partner is allowed, does not mean there is not jealousy at times.
And third: I don't care whether or not this is a "justifiable alternative" to monogamy, because as far as I'm concerned: I don't have to justify my life to anyone except my lovers.
Elithrae 7 months ago
shed had the ''chance''(?) of having two bfs and neither of them looks handsome, haha '-'
brisakiedis 7 months ago
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lagoonablueluver 7 months ago
You go girl!
shelbycan 7 months ago
0:41 Orgy?
XCutePupa 8 months ago
I couldn't do it, I'm a one and only kinda guy.
sexyfuller32 8 months ago 15
Meh, not really my thing but hey,
not everyone gets to fall in love and live the dream,
so if this is how you guys feel, then go for it. =P
Personally, I would get way too jealous.
Also, being referred to as someone's "Secondary Partner"
would insult the hell out of me. xD
CJConvery 9 months ago 29
wa wa wa wa wait.... so they get married, and then, no matter wat gender, the middle person gets a bf or gf????? tht makes the other one HOMO and the other one cheating on someone with someone else, while both those someones were also going out...???? wow everyones cheating on everyone :P wEiRd o.O
iluvCallanMcAuliffe 9 months ago
ewww..
Esquenitatheoriginal 9 months ago
My name is Mike and my girlfriend and I have been open to polyamory for months now. We dated one girl together so far, not in the form of two people love one person, but everyone loves everyone. This was my girlfriend's idea, and believe me, our hearts really are wired for this! Our love wasn't divided, it was compounded! There was no jealousy either, because we knew we weren't going anywhere. I'm firm in the belief that love knows no bounds, and this is no exception.
DoneRightProductions 10 months ago 2
i see nothing wrong with it but for me it looses something in the relationship... but thats just me
Ellis01234567890 11 months ago
Some people are monogamus others are not, big deal.
Charmedlassie18 11 months ago
I would totally go for this polyamory thing if my wife and my lover agreed, but unfortunately neither of them can stand the idea of it...so I'm kind of stuck with both of them wanting to strangle me.
sooper2dooper3 11 months ago
polyamous is a great way to be open honest and ethical so true how can one cheat if you know about every thing its wonderful
kymberleea 1 year ago
Is it cooncidence that many of these people seem to be, uh, conventionally unnattractive?
MrVincent111 1 year ago 2
theese folk are confused wierdos
blackthomas50 1 year ago 2
i respect it, but i think that the true love you can only feel for one person, for two its.. difficult?
ensilenciotequerre 1 year ago
BAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! All I see is people with issues. Gay guy so in the closet that he has 3 girlfriends? Sad. Come out, already! 2 men with such low self-esteem that they choose a slug in a mumu? Just really really pathetic.
cinnamonclaw 1 year ago
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joeswick3 1 year ago
@cinnamonclaw Actually, I know the "guy with three girlfriends" -- as do many in the poly community. One of those "girlfriends" you mention is his his wife. He's definitely NOT in the closet. If he were gay, he would have the integrity to say so, and be respected for it. Hmmm. While everyone has issues, I wonder why you need to project your own nonsense onto others?
joeswick3 1 year ago
ew
kjnilsd 1 year ago
eewww
EjPwned 1 year ago
aghsluts wait what were we talking about?
tacotuesday233 1 year ago
The cunts are just desperate to get moot so they stick around with another cock.
0o0sean0o0SPC 1 year ago
Fucking Sluts LOOOL
MichaelGarryes20 1 year ago
I love the "ta-daa" moment. That's HALF of their group?? ^^
StalkingAlucard 1 year ago
this way anyone can be a pimp =D
MrLuke4me 1 year ago
if america is truelly free then we should have this choice 4 our selfs 2..
calibon1 1 year ago
I find this an open beautiful loving way to move though the small amount of time we have to give and experience love.
slee46 1 year ago
thats just wrong x\
evaWilson222 1 year ago
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Sushi387 1 year ago
i don`t think that everybody understood what i wanted to say somebody called me intolerant because i can`t sympathize that much with the idea to have a partner who got another partner(i don`t want to offend people in polygamy relationships i just can`t imagine it for myself)by the way he/she didn`t even has the guts to tell me what he/she thinks about me but to tell it the rest of the world luckily i`m not dumb enough to conclude a bad charakter from that ...maybe
Sushi387 1 year ago 2
I want my man to be mine, no one elses, and i want to belong to him. His heart and my heart. Thats the way it should be.
JustASceneToHate 1 year ago 51
@JustASceneToHate
Nothing wrong with monogamy, I LOVE being POLY myself. However, no one can say "That's that's the way it should be". Among consenting adults, what ever works for you works. The thing is, you don't own people. Your man can never truly be yours, unless you lock him in the basement, and vice versa. Some folks mistake possesiveness for love. This is my penis, that's my vagina. Please, the only one you can ever posses is yourself.
MaconWall 1 year ago 3
@JustASceneToHate Love isn't selfish-- love is about how much you care about the OTHER person, and want them to grow and be happy, not about trying to 'possess' them so you feel more secure. It's normal to be afraid that if they love someone else, they love you less, but think about parents-- parents can love more than one child at a time. Likewise, adults can love more than one adult at a time. I can't see why it would be better to love less people instead of more.
bKiwiD 1 year ago 5
@bKiwiD I do get where you're coming from.. but I agree with JustASceneToHate because I love my fiance in a full sense. A way that no one else does.. and he loves in the same. It doesn't mean that I don't love other people! I make a point to tell many people that I love them.. but at the end of the day I just like knowing that there is one man in my life and there is one woman in his... does that make sense? lol sorry if it doesn't!
atticusleyvaie 1 year ago
@bKiwiD unless you're God, you cannot suggest that there is one type of love. there are many types of love: love to human beings in general, love to your friends,your family, your friends family, your sexual partner,your children. and the valency of each type of love differs at case. what is biologically and psychologically normal is that you should love your children most of all,because they cary your genes, among other reasons. so the parent -child example does not really make a point.
Vivienne178 1 year ago
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Vivienne178 1 year ago
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@bKiwiD the sexual love you're talking about is a way too complicated subject for you to call it "love". you should be careful of what you say and think about it carefully. people are very connected to their sexual partners in such a way like they will never be with anyone else. those feelings evolved after some time,they help the connection be stronger so that they can build a so called healthy relationship. it takes one man and one woman to make a child, and a relationship.
Vivienne178 1 year ago
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@bKiwiD the sexual love you're talking about is a way too complicated subject for you to call it "love". you should be careful of what you say and think about it carefully. people are very connected to their sexual partners in such a way like they will never be with anyone else. those feelings evolved after some time,they help the connection be stronger so that they can build a so called healthy relationship. it takes one man and one woman to make a child, and a relationship.
Vivienne178 1 year ago
@JustASceneToHate u got that right.....
maryan832 1 year ago
@JustASceneToHate i want a woman to be my xD
i want to meet you kkk
maxzburatorul 10 months ago
@JustASceneToHate Hav u any evidence to back this normative statement up? It would appear that a monogamous relationship - the conventional standard - clearly does not suit everybody. Look at increasing divorce rates. Look at the significant rates of infidelity within monogamous relationships. I'm not saying that a polyamoric relationship is for everybody, but the same is obviously true of the reverse. You're mistaking ur own subjectivist views with objective fact. Just thought 2 point that out.
magicdarragh 9 months ago
@JustASceneToHate
btu see that works for you.. and its a psuedo christian-catholic way to view things... but what happens if you find two men who are different. but both fill the "void" in your life.. theyre the perfect guy for you but you cant differentiate between the two of them.. your views would dictate you to choose one of them.. possibly the right one.. with the way society is you never know. just keep in mind.. your opinions are your own.. i find polyamourism to be beautiful.. <3<3<3<3
l4nc0r 8 months ago
@JustASceneToHate This is monogamy. And this is how humans are designed to be.
ByJustified 7 months ago
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@ByJustified "And this is how humans are designed to be."
You might have a valid point if there were any evidence that humans were designed at all. But there isn't, and you don't.
BailiffQuimby 7 months ago
@JustASceneToHate no it should be as you want and feal it to be right. who says and where dose it say that its not righ tto haev many loves and DONT throw the bible in to this
mello27 7 months ago
@JustASceneToHate You dont know what should and shouldn't be for anyone except yourself.
jeewizzzz 4 months ago
Awww!
zenmart 1 year ago
What a shame there is so much judgmental ignorance showing itself here. Sushi387, despite what you assume about "normal" women, the polyamory movement is being led primarily by strong women who know what they want and live their lives on their own terms. The last thing they are is victims. Neither is the black gentleman in question, who is a long-time member of that lovely family.
imapolygirl 1 year ago 2
YUCK!
mightyhand 1 year ago 2
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Sushi387 2 years ago 5
I find it beautiful and inspiring! Monogamy, polyamory- whatever works for the people involved.
How can love- true feelings of connection and concern and a desire to share your life with people in mutually respectful relationships- ever be wrong, or ugly?
cand86 2 years ago 50
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Sushi387 2 years ago
@Sushi387
Not everyone can handle polyamory. It is built into your genes.You have it or you do not have it. It is very natural for someone to be able to love multiple partners and also to have enough trust in their partners to let them free. The question "who you love more" has no meaning with polyamoric people. We have frubble, we enjoy that our partner loves someone else and share this wonderfull feeling in an empathic way.
obaeyens 1 year ago
@Sushi387
Polyamoric relationships are complex, so we are forced to learn more about relationships dynamics in order to handle it. Unlike monogamic relationships, there is no competition between the partners because nothing is hidden and people are open and honest to each partner. There is no scare of losing, and that turns in less jealousy.
Polyamory has nothing to do with sex! But it is possible that you could have sex with both of your partners but is not required.
obaeyens 1 year ago
@Sushi38
What does normal look like? Even if someone tells you that they love you more than anyone in the entire universe. You know, the fantasy folks grow up hearing from day one. Do you really think you are the only one they find attractive, think about, or would like to be with. On a planet of 6 BILLION People, you really believe their love for you pales in comparison for anyone else. But I guess that totally unrealistic view point is NORMAL right?
MaconWall 1 year ago
@cand86
You are so wrong.
Polyamory isn't actual love.
You promise your first girlfriend/boyfriend you will be with her/him at all costs.
Polyamory contradicts.
Jhoods2800 1 year ago
@Jhoods2800 Are you trying to change my opinion on polyamory? If so, you better step up your game, cuz that was weak.
YOU may promise YOUR 1st partner you'll be with 'em at all costs, but the way YOU choose to live your romantic/sexual life isn't universal. Plus, what you described isn't just monoamorous- many poly folks promise to be with their 1st love at all costs. Then they make the same promise to another who comes into their lives. And boom- you've got a triad/V living happily ever after.
cand86 1 year ago
@cand86
that was a good comment
Jhoods2800 1 year ago
@Jhoods2800 Thanks. It's often hard to work with the character limit, but I try.
cand86 1 year ago
People call it "polyamory," "polyandry" or "polygamy." They try their best to sugarcoat sin by using terms to deviate many people from seeing these as adultery, fornication, homosexuality, and lesbianism. The real fact is that these people are hurt deep inside and they are not really proud of what they do. They can only face the camera smiling but left to their own they are dying inside. They cannot tamper with God's original design which is monogamy. This is still the right way to do marriage.
ByJustified 1 year ago
@ByJustified I am an atheist, so I judge the acceptability and goodness of a relationship arrangement on three factors- enthusiastic, informed, of-age consent, emotional and psychological health, and happiness. If it has all three, it gets my seal of approval. The only difference between you and I seems to be that I LISTEN to what others report instead of telling them what I think they should be feeling. Well, that, and I'm happy for others when they're happy, instead of angry and/or bitter.
cand86 1 year ago 2
@cand86 Since the time monogamy was introduced by the Lord in the Garden of Eden many people have tried tampering and distorting this divine institution as if they could create a healthy society with this kind of practice. People who practiced adultery and fornication will of course tolerate this polygamous practice because to condemn such will mean to condemn them also. Yes, I know there is a time to listen but there is also a time to expose such wickedness. Go back to Jesus Christ friend.
ByJustified 1 year ago
@ByJustified Again, I am an atheist, so if you want to try to engage with me on any level, you are going to need to convince me that polyamory makes people suffer IN THIS LIFE- not in the next. The existence of happy, psychologically healthy polyamorous people is proof that, when not taking religion into account, polyamory in principle is a fine, moral institution- same as monogamy. I'm not interested in saving souls- I'm interested in the health and well-being of people here and now.
cand86 1 year ago
@ByJustified what kinda shit is that you have no proof the garden of eden ,adam eve or any of that shit was there all you know is one day you werent here and the next day you were and was fed all this shit about heaven hell and so on you base your life on a book written by men to govern men and if this is wrong in the eyes of god why were they so many ppl who practiced this in the bible for god sakes there were even incestual relationships in the bible what does that tell you
mccclarren 10 months ago
@ByJustified "but there is also a time to expose such wickedness."
You know what? You're right. Hey everybody, ByJustified blows goats. Sorry, BJ, but I had to expose your wickedness...
BailiffQuimby 7 months ago
@BailiffQuimby... That is how far an atheist person with so-called "moral" will argue. I really believe you need Jesus Christ in your heart. You are really hurting emotionally. Jesus can truly transform you. By the way, I will pray for you and your family. May God bless you even more.
ByJustified 7 months ago
@ByJustified "That is how far an atheist person with so-called "moral" will argue."
So you're not denying the goat-blowing thing. Good to know.
"I really believe you need Jesus Christ in your heart"
I believe you need rationality and tolerance in your life.
"You are really hurting emotionally"
Nope.
"Jesus can truly transform you"
I don't need transforming, but thanks.
"I will pray for you and your family"
Thanks, pray me a new car while you're at it?
BailiffQuimby 7 months ago
@BailiffQuimby Wow! That means you do believe in the existence of God. Thanks for asking me to pray for you a new car. At least that's a good start. The Lord is already working in your heart. Praise God!
ByJustified 7 months ago
@ByJustified "Wow! That means you do believe in the existence of God"
No, it means I'm mocking you. But take it as you will.
"Thanks for asking me to pray for you a new car. At least that's a good start."
Greed is a sign of a good Christian? Interesting.
"The Lord is already working in your heart. Praise God! "
You're so naive, it would be cute if you weren't a rude intolerant jerk.
BailiffQuimby 7 months ago
@BailiffQuimby That's not mocking friend but the response of a heart filled with conscience. You cannot escape that. God is truly working in your heart. I will not be surprise if one day you will become a staunch follower of Jesus Christ.
ByJustified 7 months ago
@ByJustified "That's not mocking friend but the response of a heart filled with conscience."
Somehow in your twisted version of morality, requesting that you ask your god, who I don't believe in, to give me a new car means that I have a heart filled with conscience? Do you have any clue how twisted and backwards that is? I do have a conscience and morality, but my teasing you about your imaginary friend is hardly the best evidence of it.
BailiffQuimby 7 months ago
@BailiffQuimby ... So what comprises your conscience? Where did you learn your morality? Don't tell me from the animals. :)
ByJustified 7 months ago
@ByJustified My conscience is comprised of both inborn instincts to get along with other people and learned behaviors which facilitate such relationships. I construct my own morality based on practical implications of my behaviors, and careful weighing of consequences for both myself and others. Some such behaviors I knew instinctively. Some I learned through trial and error, and some were taught to me by friends, family, and other role models. Same as you.
BailiffQuimby 7 months ago
@BailiffQuimby What? Construct your own morality? Where did you get the idea of "morality" in the first place? If you are not the originator of morality then that simply means you are just tampering the original. Please do not do that.
ByJustified 6 months ago
@ByJustified "Where did you get the idea of "morality" in the first place?"
Before I knew the world, I was constructing behavior patterns which would help me get along with people around me, just because it's common sense that getting along with people around me will be beneficial for me as well as them. You don't need to be taught that.
"If you are not the originator of morality"
But I am. You are too. We all are.
BailiffQuimby 6 months ago
@ByJustified "then that simply means you are just tampering the original."
If there were a reason to think there was an "original" that I was tampering with, you STILL wouldn't have a good point, because your god's morality is deplorably amoral. He is in favor of rape, murder, slavery and genocide. If he WERE real, I still would follow my own superior morality.
BailiffQuimby 6 months ago
@BailiffQuimby What passages in the Bible are you referring?
ByJustified 6 months ago
@ByJustified What, for god being in favor of rape, murder, slavery and genocide? The bible i littered with them. There are lists of rules for how to buy, sell and beat slaves. There are long chapters in which God orders his chosen people to slaughter entire cities, and to keep the virginal women for themselves. If you've ever read the bible, then you will know this already. But if you have not read the bible, then let me know and I'll dig up some verses for you.
BailiffQuimby 6 months ago
@BailiffQuimby The fact that you without any cultural, time, biblical or even any knowledge at all chooses to judge the biblical content with your own dismoralised eyes makes me angry. You do not know anything about the time nor do you know anything about the way people lived and were in those days. The fact that God did set up some rules of war made is organised and saved thousands of people from being raped and molested, it made the jews have something no other country had: Moral.
Jayslollipop 5 months ago
@Jayslollipop "The fact that you without any cultural, time, biblical or even any knowledge at all..."
...is a false fact, and you're grasping at ad-hominem attacks.
"chooses to judge the biblical content with your own dismoralised eyes"
My morality is a great deal superior to biblical morality, as aforementioned. If you disagree, then you'll have to justify all the instances of god-condoned genocide, rape, and slavery in the bible.
BailiffQuimby 5 months ago
@Jayslollipop "makes me angry."
I'm sorry that you're upset about your god having no morals.
"You do not know anything about the time nor do you know anything about the way people lived and were in those days"
I know a lot about it actually. But no argument along these lines justify your god's support of their behavior.
"saved thousands of people from being raped and molested"
God ordering his people to rape and pillage saved people from getting raped? Explain that one...
BailiffQuimby 5 months ago
@Jayslollipop "it made the jews have something no other country had: Moral."
As I said before, you've got your work cut out for you if you plan on explaining how, in any context, god ordering his people to commit genocide, rape, own slaves, etc, makes his followers "moral". Hope to hear back from you soon, friend.
BailiffQuimby 5 months ago
@BailiffQuimby Uhmm... What Bible passages are you referring?
ByJustified 5 months ago
@ByJustified I don't want to get accused of taking things out of context. Learn about god's opinion of genocide in Exodus, Deuteronomy, and 2 Kings among others. Slavery is discussed in Exodus, Ephesians, etc. The stories of Lot and Job further detail God's immoral behavior. God is perfectly happy killing innocent people or ordering the slaughter of innocent people if it works well for his master plan. It's vile.
BailiffQuimby 5 months ago
fuck u
diana1665 2 years ago
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why is this kind of stuff always propagated by white people?
princessmeow123 2 years ago
Yeah... there was a black man in the last group. sooooooooooooo Fail.
oOPantiniOo 2 years ago
....he is being lead and influenced by white people...
Yes a saw him in the video ...I meant what is said
princessmeow123 2 years ago
Polygamy has long been practiced in Africa. The President of South Africa is even a Polygamist, with five wives.
sestsa 2 years ago
they seemed happy
joisfantastic 2 years ago
:D hot girls my friends
JasonBittner777 2 years ago
i agree with drummer, which agrees which arle0127, but i dont find thats a bad thing :P
tiogreenday 2 years ago
monogomist hippie? no bomb, all the world need is love.
ceetboy 2 years ago 2
what the fuck.
arle0127 2 years ago