Prisoners of Gravity: Jack Kirby (Part 1/3)

[flyJayTM]

if any actor does a movie acting for jack kirby it has to be al pacino

[anvilofcrom]

Jew boy Jack did not create Thor...that honour goes to the Scandanavians.

[eldospinks]

@anvilofcrom He created the comic look of Thor, not the character.

[ibanez2010]

The guys from that era are true class acts. I don't think you'd ever so much as hear one of them say "damn" in an interview. These are guys you actually look up to and *respect*. Modern era guys need to take a look at these fellas and learn how to be modest and well mannered. Doesn't matter how good your work is, you need to be a nice guy to get genuine respect...

[robertquentincobb]

Jack King Kirby, is an Old school Gentleman. It's great to see this video. He's Gone but HIS Work will NEVER DIE. Long live the KING of the Comic Art.

[josswhedon692]

His response at 4:55 sufficiently blows my mind.

[loadvid]

"We act realistically, but we dream beyond that reality"

- Jack Kirby

This guy is a legend. He's work inspired lots of people. I can't believe he passed away a year after this :(

[koestenbraumstar]

Kamandi.......yes yes!!

[HeatLegs]

I like how philosophical Kirby was.

[Actionguy1]

 A true legend, Jack Kirby was one of my earliest inspirations as an artist. Thank you for posting this.

[SHEMAMAN]

This man was the true genius of popular illustrative storytelling of the 20th Century.

R.I.P. Jack.

shalom

x

[VinnyMonster1]

The man is a Legend, he is sorely missed.

[astrocitizen]

2:42 -- "... and I'm doing my damndest to shit all over it."

[bloodrunsclear]

'Jack Kirby is not a household name.'

Wow...THAT was awhile ago XD

[brabon1]

@bloodrunsclear he still isnt a household name....everyone knows who disney is

lots and lots of people know who stan lee is

at the next marvel movie...stand outside of the theater and ask the people who created the characters they just saw on the screen...do it at thor...i lay odds the vast majority will say stan lee...very few will mention the king....and it makes me sad.

[bloodrunsclear]

@brabon1

True. We need a New Gods movie!

[brabon1]

@bloodrunsclear prob with that is...they will say alot of it is a ripoff of star wars...even though the opposite is true

[bloodrunsclear]

@brabon1

They already released Eragon XD

They don't care about rip-offs as long as they seem like they'll sell.

[brabon1]

@bloodrunsclear if dc/warners did it correctly...it would be epic....larger in scale than even lotr

who gets to play darkseid?

[bloodrunsclear]

@brabon1

Micheal Clarke Duncan? :)

[Elric33239]

@brabon1 My thoughts exactly! Darkseid=Darth Vader, Orion=Luke Skywalker, High Father=Obiwan Kenobi or Yoda. Of course, the father vs. son story goes back to ancient Greek mythology (Chronos vs. Zeus) and later in the ballad of "Sorab and Rustum." I would definitely enjoy seeing it, especially after seeing the great job the crew behind "The Justice League" cartoon series did with it!

[Elric33239]

@brabon1 In all fairness, Stan did come up with the idea of using Thor as a superhero, but it was his younger brother Larry Lieber who wrote the first Thor comic (Journey Into Mystery #83) and Jack was the original Thor artist. Also, Jack once suggested to Stan that Asgard should be destroyed and replaced with a world that later became New Genesis and Stan turned him down. Of course Jack held on to the idea when he came to DC comics and decided to create a Fourth World.

[atombat]

Jack has some really inspiring words to say.

[atombat]

The opening credits/style seem like they were created by the same people who Did "Triumph of the Nerds" documentary about the guys who created the first home computers. Either that or it's just the style that was popular at the time. Pretty cool documentary.

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[tomatotv321]

I love this show it was one of the first Candain shows that I did an episode guide in the 80's for when I started Brit TV Entertainment. Capt. Rick Rules[LOL]

[binjahmin]

its a fanboy rip off of mystery science theater 3000

[Teddog3000]

Bwhahahahahhahahahahahahahha..­..

Wait, you're being serious?

[mickmac59]

Thanks for writing your own epitaph.

[Teddog3000]

HA! Hopefully that was replying to some of those comments below. If it was, I have a bucket of popcorn to share.

[mickmac59]

It was - looking forward to the popcorn!

[richmond436]

Thank God this piece of shit is dead

[toonozandy]

If you are referring to Jack Kirby, then you are the piece of shit !!!!

[iDraw3G]

What gave Jack Kirby the right to live in the first place?

[toonozandy]

What the fuck are you on about ??????

[iDraw3G]

read that question back to yourself

[toonozandy]

My question to you is what have you got against Kirby!

[iDraw3G]

I have nothing against him, but my question is perfectly valid: What gave him the right to live?

[toonozandy]

If you don't think Kirby had a right to live on this planet, then that implies you do have something against him as a person?

[iDraw3G]

he slept with my wife

[harveydents]

the host of this show is a ROYAL DOUCHE!

[harveydents]

This host is an asshole i cant even get through this video, even though i love jack i can twatch anymore the host is just a dick

[harveydents]

sad this is a year before he died of cancer, he looks sick in this video, man i miss jack LONG LIVE THE KING!

[Nikophobia]

God bless "The King"-A true slave to his art.

[Silveragematt]

It's really a shame there aren't more video and audio interviews of Jack. It's wonderful to hear him speak. I wish I could have met him.

[Elric33239]

I was very impressed with this installment of POG, but I must point out that when Commander Rick mentioned that Stan Lee indulged in "self-promotion," I cringed. If anything, Stan promoted Marvel Comics and the artists that he felt priviledged working with, including Jack "King" Kirby! While the mainstream remains ignorant of Jack's legacy of genius, comic book fans have never forgotten him!

[Cotygeek]

I couldn't agree more. Granted, Stan does get a little bit more credit than he deserves, but the recent backlash against him isn't really justified. Stan always talks about the great artists he got to work with and gives them due credit.

[Elric33239]

And I'm sure that Stan is embarrassed about most of it considering he initially worked behind the scenes when he got into the business. It wasn't until The Marvel Age when writers, artists, inkers & letterers received written credit for their work. If it weren't for Fantastic Four #1, we comics fans probably wouldn't have HEARD of Jack Kirby let alone be able to honor him! You should read Will Eisner's "The Dreamer" to see HIS account of "Jack King."

[Cotygeek]

I'll be sure to look that up!

[Elric33239]

I just realized that 8 months ago I commented on that graphic novel! Will Eisner gives POG a rundown in Part 2 of "The Jack Kirby Story."

[locusmortis]

thats complete bullshit, Kirby was working in comics for 20+ years before Fantastic four #1. He co-created Captain America for gods sake...

If Kirby hadn't worked for Marvel he would have worked for another comics company.

[Elric33239]

Read what I wrote again! I said "probably" and if you looked at those original Captain America comics, it usually said "Simon & Kirby" in a lower margin on the front page! It was Stan Lee who came up with the idea of posting credits on the inner front page of the comics during the Marvel Age! DC did it afterwards! And you're right that Jack was working before and after the Marvel Age and DC welcomed him after he left Marvel. They also didn't give him a reason to stay so he went back to Marvel!

[almanacofsleep]

I don't know, I don't think Stan is took selfless, he did say in an interveiw once that he'd take any credit that wasn't nailed down.

[Elric33239]

I guess the idea that Stan might have been JOKING never occurred to you! If you've read "Origins of Marvel Comics" and the sequels that came after it, as well as the Kevin Smith interview on DVD, you'd know that he's never stopped praising ALL of the artists that worked with him and he conceded to give co-creator credit to Steve Ditko for Spider-Man despite the fact that Ditko was chosen to illustrate the character after Stan saw Jack Kirby's "too heroic" artwork!

[almanacofsleep]

I think most of the constrovesy came when Steve Ditko took umbridge with what he felt was Stan takeing sole credit for the creation of Spiderman, there was a big public cat fight and Stan claimed that he came up with the idea of a superhero who had spider powers so it was him who should take credit, but Steve, who created his look, wrote and drew his original storys felt he deserved to be reconised. To Stans credit when the Spiderman movies were released the credits did read co created by Ditko

[Elric33239]

As I stated, Jack Kirby would have been the first artist on the comic if Stan didn't feel that the character looked "too heroic" for his liking. Jack DID draw the COVER of Amazing Fantasy #15 as well as drew the XMen comic where Spidey appeared as a guest star so it was possible that Ditko didn't come up with the original art! Stan was playing Peacemaker while still stating that the original idea was HIS and even THAT IDEA was inspirated from the pulp magazine hero The Spider - Master of Men!

[almanacofsleep]

No Steve did come up with the original art concept of Spiderman, its well documented. And I'm sure Stan is a nice guy and said his quip in a jokeing manner, it still wouldn't suprise me that he would like to take all the credit for Spiderman, I mean its quite obvious that Stan "The Man" Lee has quite a big ego, google "in search of steve ditko" a BBC doc about him, theres a very awkward interveiw with Stan were he seams very defencive over the issue, seeming to both claim that without Ditko...

[Elric33239]

Read "Origins of Marvel Comics" for Stan's version of what happened. Jack was first offered the job of illustrating the book but Stan thought that HIS take on it was "too heroic." I have no doubt that Steve Ditko remembered it differently but, the last time I checked, it was Stan's job as MARVEL'S STORY EDITOR to determined who illustrated what book, not the individual artists! If you choose to believe otherwise and re-write history, that's YOUR DECISION!

[almanacofsleep]

...Spiderman wouldn't have worked but seems to be reclutent to give him credit forhis creation, Steve did a peice for a fanzine attacking Stan for not giving him credit in interveiws etra, Stan wrote a letter saying that if he wants credit he can have, Steve still wasn't happy as he felt that it was condersending and wanted Stan to properly acknowlage him for what he did. Go watch the doc its will explain things futher.

[Elric33239]

Ditko's temper tandrum is well-documented and ignores the fact that Marvel Comics' Martin Goodman hired Stan Lee as Editor in Chief and it was HIS responsibility to choose who illustrated which book! Also, Stan HIMSELF said that Spider-Man was inspired by the pulp hero The Spider - Master of Men! So even Stan is humble enough to say that the idea didn't originate with HIM! Can Steve Ditko say THAT? What do YOU think?

[almanacofsleep]

Carm your self down, its only a comic lol. But yeah if you ask me they both were very childish but I do think even Stan knew that Steve played a lot in the succses to the way Ditko drew spiderman and designed him, as Alan Moore said as soon as Ditko stoped writting Spiderman he stoped reading them because they lost the unique feel to them.

[Elric33239]

I don't think that Stan was acting childish at all! It's Ditko who was playing the role of "Bitter Old Man who felt shafted and ignored by The Public," not Stan. Stan was and is a COMPANY MAN and a WRITER who "came up with the ideas" and Steve Ditko was a freelance ARTIST, not WRITER, who signed a contract without reading the fine print! And as for it being "only a comic," tell that to freelance artists like Ditko and Kirby who feel cheated out of profits that they're not LEGALLY entitled to!

[almanacofsleep]

Do you not think that in Comics which is a visual medium that the art is as important, in some instences more important the the writting, Spiderman aint a novel, you have to be breif, a lot of time the early stories weren't that good, most people remember the art from 60s comics like marvel. Stan was fun and all but if you read interveiws from people in the industy that read that period of comics and its clear that it was the art, not the writing that made them want to have a carer in comics.

[Elric33239]

I didn't say that the writing was more important than the "visuals." For the record, I believe that they're EQUALLY important. Unfortunately, the AVERAGE comic book fan places more importance on the VISUALS than the STORY for the same reason that the AVERAGE moviegoer places more importance on the ACTORS and the SPECIAL EFFECTS than the PLOT and the DIALOG of the film! Just because ILLITERATES spend more money in the theatre & the comic book stores, I'm not interested in joining their ranks!

[almanacofsleep]

If your going to make comparisons to films people who like cieamography to tell the story rather than clunky diaolge as exposition, a more artistic aproach that respects the intellegence rather than to explain everything to the reader as if they were dumb. Anyway the point you seemed to be to be making is that Kirby and Ditko would be no wear without Stan, well Kirby was already succesful and aclaimed,Ditko was also doing well for himself before Marvel, what was Stan doing before Marvel?

[Elric33239]

I didn't say that Kirby & Ditko would be nowhere without Stan! I said that Kirby & Ditko were freelance artist BY CHOICE and Stan was a COMPANY MAN who worked as an editor & art director when he wasn't writing virtually every title that Marvel put out! I don't deny that both Kirby & Ditko are legends in their own rights! I'm just pissed that Stan had to be villainized as a result of this! MARVEL shafted them and treated them like disposable trash, NOT STAN!!!!

[almanacofsleep]

Plus Steve Ditko is a writer, not only did he contribute alot alot of the early Spiderman and Doctor Strange, but after leaving DC he wrote, conceived a lot intereting new characters for Chalseton comics like the Question, Mr A and Hawk and Dove. Again I can't belive you don't think that the VISUALS matter a VISUAL median, with out artists like Ditko and Kirdy marvel would be nowear, Stan owes them a great deal remember that.

[Elric33239]

As the first PUBLISHED artist of Spider-man & Dr. Strange, he might have been the CO-PLOTTER of the stories but he didn't write the scripts nor the dialogue! Yes, he DID write & illustrate The Question, Hawk & Dove, Blue Beetle, and Captain Atom for Charlton Comics, a company that went out of business and whose characters were acquired by DC Comics and written and drawn by OTHERS! And I don't think that VISUALS are LESS important than the WRITING. I think they're EQUALLY important!

[Elric33239]

As for what Stan was doing, he was an assistant editor, then chief editor, for Timely/Atlas/Marvel comics since he was 16 YEARS OLD! What did YOU do when YOU were 16?

[VinnyMonster1]

@Elric33239 Agree with everything you say, mate.

[Elric33239]

@VinnyMonster1 Thank you! At least somebody read all of the words that I typed instead of misread part of it like...never mind.

[sjmerm]

one of the best videos on youtube

[bradchodges]

Whoo! I just noticed that you'd begun to put these up again. Thanks, as POG is one of my favorite shows, and Kirby is my favorite creator.