Concrete proof that MI6 was behind the Dunblane massacre must watch

[eoinroe47]

Evidence my arse. You say you're not scared - post your address then? You're full of hot air. You coming across as an arab gunslinger. What is going on in your brain?

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@eoinroe47 yawn, cant you do any better than with your comment? as you special needs teacher said to your parents" must try harder"

[eoinroe47]

@TheGhostOfPainsey

I didn't understand your comment.

You make me feel physically sick. Your topics of interests are disgusting. You do not go outside? Why?

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@eoinroe47 yawn

[eoinroe47]

Do you realise how mad you are coming across? Perhaps if you put across your basic points more compassionately some people might pay more respect to you? Do you honestly think 1 person in Scotland or Ireland is going to respect you and take any point of yours in good faith if you're so confrontational?

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@eoinroe47 and how am i being confrontational ? im just passing out the truth, and yes i have many emails per day supporting my views that an armed society is a safer society, i have studied firearm ownership and firearm crime for 25 years and i think i know the facts, may i suggest you read the book dunblane unburied the government tried to ban the book by the way, that gives evidence on the dunblane massacre cover up.

[eoinroe47]

@TheGhostOfPainsey

"and how am i being confrontational ? im just passing out the truth.." seriously? You've studied private gun ownership and you know the facts... fine - but then you go on to advise on readership about the Dunblane coverup... I do feel that you believe that you're coming from somewhere with this but you seem quite cold in that you're not considering how the area of the tragedy might feel in regards yours comments

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@eoinroe47 i have never disrespected any of the children that dies on that day, all im doing is telling the facts, if you dont want to see facts then fine. The problem is people dont want to face facts

[andypandy1992]

"The evidence is there for you". Sorry, what evidence??

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@andypandy1992 Its in the book the government wanted to ban under the obscene publications act, the book is called Dunblane unburied.

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey how have i not done any research? you're the one who watched a youtube video and read a terrible and misinformative book....

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekendi what actual research have you carried out? maybe you should watch my documentary i have created on my other youtube channel (the painsey channel) giving evidence about what gun control does to a society but that will probably hurt your delusions, i require evidence from you in your reply to this message in either links or a video with FACTS and i shall upload a video with facts about firearm ownership. I wonder if your up to the challenge ? probably not

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey you are an idiot.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend well at least this idiot will research before commenting

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey let me get this straight, you expect me to go home, look around my house for a book that I didn't even like, and look for a certain number on a certain page?

You're not childish at all.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend well if you dont like the book then why the fuck do you have a copy, you fail

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey the book is badly written, with no evidence for any of the accusations. It's worse than just watching a video of youtube.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend oh ok so you have the book then, so what does the 15th word on page 37 say ?

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey He wasn't a suspected pedophile, he was a pedophile. Where did I get the info that it was a revenge attack? I LIVE IN THE FUCKING TOWN. He wrote a letter to Queen Elizabeth II about it.

Can you please actually research this instead of watching one video on youtube?

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend he did not have a conviction for it, and have you seen the letter with your own eyes? actually no i havnt got the info from youtube i had the info from the author of the book

[eoinroe47]

You are a fucking coward cunt.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@eoinroe47 well thats kida strange you should say that, after all im the one thats showing my face on youtube and all you retards are hiding behind your keyboards, come on cam up on blogtv if you aint a coward, come on come onto the painsey blogtv channel im there now, come on i will be waiting

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey He did do it. There are eye witnesses that I know personally. You have no proof that Thomas Hamilton didn't do it. You're making ridiculous allegations without any evidence. You're a nutjob.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend oh really? their names please

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey he wanted to teach the children about guns in one of the clubs, that and his pedophilia accusations are what got him fired, and made him kill the children. Research before you make accusations, you twat.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend i know he was a suspected paedophile, were did you get the info that it was a revenge attack? after all he was dead wasnt he ? so how could anyone have found that out? as the old saying goes dead men tell no tails.

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey Did you even know what his motived behind it were? That doesn't make sense. He wanted to hurt CHILDREN, not members of the public.

Well, I wasn't talking about members of the public. And even with out education, a goat is more intelligent than you.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend i honestly really give up on fucking idiots like you, it doesnt fucking matter if guns are banned people will always find a way to murder, so what your saying is he couldnt have murdered the kids in any other way then? but lets not forget he didnt do it

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey and no, I don't mean no other weapon has the capability of killing someone, I mean that guns made it easy for him to go on a killing spree.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend you did mean it and now your backing away with what you said, the easiet thing to kill people with is a vehicle, i have 4 cousins in the police force and they all say the easiest thing to kill someone with is a vehicle and yes they are pro gun before you ask

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey now, we both know i didn't mean that. lets not go twisting my words. :)

I don't think Thomas Hamilton would have killed the children with a vehicle, no. It would be pretty difficult to drive a car through the gymnasium. There's not even a road leading directly to that part of the school. In fact, there's no road leading straight up to the school. The only weapon that could have caused that tragic event was a gun.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend im talking about members of the public in general you idiot, he could have killed dozens of people in the street if he wanted to (thats if he did Dunblane but he didnt) talking to you idiots is like trying to educate a goat.

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey I do think that, yes. And I understand what you're saying. Too bad it's a load of shit.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend are you fucking shitting me? you actually believe you cant use a vehicle to kill people? for fuck sake you really are fucking retarded, just fuck off you stupid cunt

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey I'm fairly certain Dunblane was a perfectly good example of it?

I'm not blaming the gun at all, I'm saying our society doesn't need anymore weapons.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend your using emotions instead of looking at facts, lets just say he did do it for arguments sake, now even if he didnt have a firearm do you really think he wouldnt have used whatever means he had to kill people e.g. use a van to mow down pedestrians, just because a gun is banned it doesn't mean you cant kill someone with some thing else, or am i confusing you to much for your small brain, and if you still dont understand what i have just said then you truly are a retard.

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey What. I haven't deleted any comments.

I don't think guns should be used as a form of defence. There are other ways to defend yourself and guns are often misused by people. Allowing guns in our society would just lead to an increase in murders.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend your evidence for that? oh yes blame the gun okaaaaaaaaaaay

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey The snowdrop appeal was the least the mothers of the children deserved. Yes, I don't think it's justified to use firearms, and I'm fairly proud to say that. Heck, I'd be proud to say I was a tree hugger. I think if you want gun laws changed, that's your view. I highly doubt it's going to happen, though, especially if it's nutters like you who want it.

Also, what's your reasoning? Must be pretty off considering I'm a teenage girl.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend ok i shall go easy on you as your a kid, when you are born you have a birth given right to defend your life by whatever means be it a handgun, rifle or even a machine gun, no government has the right to stop you defending your life by what ever means

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey You spelt pwned wrong.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend So what ?

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey I'm getting really tired of this, so to settle; Dunblane was no conspiracy, you've given no solid evidence to me to prove your theory. All you've done is voiced your hate for the media, and shown that you know nothing about this subject.

Oh, and also, I wasn't wondering. I couldn't give two flying fucks about your obsession with the effects of worldwide gun control, and how you've wasted the best part of 25 years 'researching' them.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend no research of history is a waste, i have given plenty of evidence, fuck i could talk about the facts for 1 hour at least, its idiots like you who cause the high levels of crime here in the UK people like you do not even think its justified to use firearms in self defence, thats just how gun fearing tree hugging uaf idiots like you think your as retarded as that bint lucy cope who i expertly powned the fuck out of here on youtube who said a firearm is as destructive as nukes

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend but i have reasond to believe you are lucy cope of the retarded mothers against guns who were behing that fucking stupid snowdrop campaign to get the uk ppl even more disarmed, fine just go back to your fairy tale castle in the land of marshmallow clouds with the fairies and elves

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend well fuck off then

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend oh and now your deleting comments, oh well

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey What authority do you have to make these accusations? You've found out all this out on the internet, a place where anyone can post content. That includes the mentally deranged and obsessive people without sufficient knowledge on the subject.

It's a weak argument, making a comparison between Bloody Sunday and the Dunblane Massacre; they're two completely separate incidents.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend doesnt matter, the government controlled media lied for years that the bloody Sunday protesters were armed when in fact they were not, its the same thing about Dunblane, the media is lying, the internet is more reliable than the biased press on and btw if your wondering how many years i have researched the effects of worldwide gun control its 25 years i started research when i was 14 years old so i think i know what im talking about.

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey also, not one of the parents i know have asked for a new enquiry. as i said before, they just want to forget. don't run your mouth about something you know nothing about.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend sure you have, oh i think i know enough about the entire cluster fuck of a cover up

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@TheGhostOfPainsey yes, actually, because it's the media is more trustworthy than the internet. it's a lot less idiotic to trust the media than the internet, that's just common sense.

also you completely disregarded the rest of my comment, and only talked about my belief in the media. that seems a bit like you're avoiding the subject to me.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend i have not disregarded anything, you believe a media that had lied to the public for fucking years over bloody Sunday, telling us that the protesters were armed when they were not, did you know that the government pays the media outlets aka newspapers for putting a story in a newspaper or taking out a newspaper story ? i think you need to wake up about UK gun laws

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

@Painsey I read Dunblane Unburied, and I found it appalling. Thomas Hamilton was known in our community, and the biggest tragedy was that the fact that he was a danger to young children and that this was not addressed sooner.

Also, not only are the allegations addressed in the book far fetched, but their is a severe lack of evidence to justify.

Not every tragedy in the world is because of the government; stop believing everything you see on the internet, its not exactly the most reliable source.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend i would rather believe the internet than the media, the media and government once told us that the bloody Sunday victims were armed and now we know they were not armed and you want to believe the mainstream press and the government, really?

[arightoldkneesup]

This is immensely disrespectful to the families of the 16 children killed in this tragedy. Live in the community for the past 15 years as I have and see if you can make such ridiculous claims to the parents of those murdered. I suggest you take this video down, out of respect to these children. Also, considering your facts are based on a video you watched on youtube-the wikipedia of audio visual format-Please don´t spread ludicrous slander when you know next to nothing about the situation.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@arightoldkneesup so can you tell me why the victims parents want a new enquiry from the government? and no i will not take the video down im not living in Soviet Russia..........yet.Your calling me disrespectful? its not me who disrespected the victims by using their deaths for more bullshit gun laws that are only thought up to disarm the population.

[arightoldkneesup]

@TheGhostOfPainsey That is utter rubbish about the victims parents wanting a new enquiry from the government, where are you getting your facts from? youtube, tumblr? Twitter? only the most reliable sources I assume. I know many of the parents, I wouldn´t dare bring up this disgusting video as it would surely upset them but I can assure you that none have them have voiced concerns about a MI16 government conspiracy.

[arightoldkneesup]

@TheGhostOfPainsey so toddle off and satisfy the obvious thrill you get from ridiculous conspiracy theories by obsessing over the moon landing or new world order, and as for painting yourself as a modern day middle class proletarian- the soviet Russia analogy? Please, you´re so predictable it´s laughable.

[arightoldkneesup]

@TheGhostOfPainsey Almost as laughable as your definition for "concrete proof".

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@arightoldkneesup why do you think i believe in NWO crap an the moon landing being faked? i leave that bullshit up to nutjobs like vonhelton, and yes the UK is turning into the next Soviet Russia, over 3000 new laws thought up in the last 10 years and all designed just to watch us, but sheeple like you are more interested in some crap reality shows on tv than what really matters in society

[arightoldkneesup]

@TheGhostOfPainsey Again, drawing conclusions based on little or no evidence-I do not, as it goes, watch reality tv as it is mind-numbingly stupid but of course because I take offence at you slandering the name of my community all for hyping up some half baked idea of a conspiracy theory for your own entertainment. And, for the record, you are a nutjob, hence the comparison.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@arightoldkneesup thyere is plenty of evidence to support the facts, such as why did the media say Hamilton was a loner when certain days of the week there were men in suits visiting him on a regular basis, and why was there a media blackout, that is just 2 facts that will not go away, and if you dont like the facts then i suggest you go away and go back to sleep and how exactly and i slandering your community i have not said anything about your community or lied about your community.

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@arightoldkneesup really? so explain the 100 yr gagging order, whern a government body is behind something then there is a 100 year gagging order behind it, can you explain why the government wanted the book Dunblane unburied banned under the obscene publications act, that had not been used against book for at least the last 75 years, im getting facts from Sandra Tully who wrote the book and also when she was writing the book her computer was hacked and all the info she had was erased

[arightoldkneesup]

@TheGhostOfPainsey If you´re solely getting facts from the author who wrote the book, then your argument is clearly biased. The reason why this book was banned is for the same reason why I´m posting these comments to you, because it is amoral to defile the memory of 16 five year-old murdered children. Do you not feel any empathy for that?

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@arightoldkneesup its biased? oh you mean its something you dont agree with, okaaaaay, the government are the ones defiling the children who dies by using their deaths for bullshit gun control laws which is fucking disgusting to use the death of children for political means

[krugerfuchs]

what if it's true estonia was an inside job as was pearl harbour, the british government had lusitania sunk it's not beyond them 9/11 is also clearly suspect i grew up in one of the abusive children's homes in ireland so i know better then most of you what governments are capeable of he has respect for the dead this should be looked at

[ItsNotMyWeekend]

you're a disrespectful bastard. they died because a man didn't get his way. the people of Dunblane have only wanted to forget about the event, but people like you always find ways to bring it up. your idea is stupid, and not concrete. just leave it alone, enough people were hurt by it without you bringing it up.

[painsey]

@ItsNotMyWeekend the government are even more disrespectful for using the deaths for bullshit gun laws, tell me one thing asshole, can you tell me why the gov wanted the book dunblane unburied banned under obscenity laws that hasnt been used to ban books for the last 73 years?

[eoinroe47]

You come across as really stupid. You have no respect for the dead you sick bastard

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@eoinroe47 and the government have even less respect for the dead for bringing in bullshit gun control laws

[iMertin]

honestly mate you need to get a life they died coz a sicko done it no anyone else thats the evidence right there you twat

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@iMertin your believing the evidence from a government that lied for fucking years about the bloody sunday massacre ? okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[iMertin]

twat

[TheGhostOfPainsey]

@iMertin well maybe im a twat, but i aint a retard like you

[iMertin]

honestly mate get a grip leave them to rest in peace! it was proof a sick man called thomas hamilton done it

[newworldodour]

@4246theone Correction he was a Freemason too, sick bastards!!

Google "Dunblane unburied" mostly made at the time when more information was still in the public domain

An interesting related site

[newworldodour]

@4246theone Yes he wasn't MI6 or Freemason, what was weird was the cover up that Hamilton was a known sex offender The police also knew that he had firearms & had recently questioned his suitability to work with children & own guns. I'm not 100% sure but think he also had a pending court appearance on the day, so the inquest was hurried and turned out to be a whitewash because of the probable involvement of the local police in the same paedophile ring & the affair censored for 100yrs

[SaintDavie]

Hi again, in response to your email, let me just say i just find it all a little far fetched and it didnt seem like "concrete" proof to me. One thing you could do is interview Andy Murray and see what he thinks cos he was there and knew thomas hamillton in person from being in his boys clubs ? or put your theorys to Eileen Harrild as she was shot first ? If you dig or read into things deep enough you can find conspiracy in anything.

[SaintDavie]

I tell you what, post a video on here of you interviewing a top mi6 agent on a lie dectetor and get him to admit mi6 commited this horrid act then maybe your theorys might hold some water. Also i'd love to see you put your theorys to some of the parents who lost there children and see what they think but for now i think you may just have seen too many movies.

[painsey]

@SaintDavie they woudnt be interviewed in first place, also the parents want a new enquiry and no i dont watch many movies

[wedgeff7]

The 100-year secrecy order has apparently been lifted. The only documents still restricted are post-mortem reports and crime-scene photographs, on behalf of relatives.

I do agree with you on the 100 year order being a strange choice in the first place, however. Something was 'off' about this whole case.

[painsey]

@wedgeff7 i shall upload a video in a little while as my response to you can not be fitted in text as we can only type 300 characters stay tuned

[painsey]

@wedgeff7 video uploaded

[magnusalexa]

@wedgeff7police knew he was gonna do it &had him under surveillance when he did,but ignored advise 2put men with guns on him &only put normal under cover on him.police checked on his legally owned handguns 3 wks b4 the attack &the officer reported he was gloatin.hamilton was a 3mason who had his membership revoked months before the attack,&had been stopped from teachin kids in dunblane.leaked papers proved undercover police were at the school when it began but they said it was a coincedence

[magnusalexa]

@wedgeff7 the undercover police at school saved themselves and no one else

[flyabs]

@4246Check out youtube Sandra Uttley esp part 2 for some background on Thomas Hamilton. Hamilton may have been a weirdo but he was also well connected and a supplier of pornography to some very wealthy people. There's every reason they might have wanted to get rid of him, if he knew too much

[painsey]

@4246theone what the teacher did see was a male with glasses on and a bobble hat, that teacher never saw hammilton before that date so how could see have positively identified him, she was dragged into believing it was him by police officers telling her it was him, get the book Dunblane unburied it tells the truth

[painsey]

@4246theone i never said he was a freemason, the facts are still being kept secret as the highly questionable files that are now available to the public have had all the names of the witnesses erased from the files, so in other words anything could have been inserted into the files that we have access to as we dont know wo has said what in the witness reports in the files i will not rest until we have the raw witness statements that were written in ink, Hamilton was a perv but not a killer.

[NagginDiggyD]

to anyone who dont know annie machon, she may be a money making whistleblower nowdays but she speaks the truth still.

[NagginDiggyD]

good video mate.



[painsey]

@NagginDiggyD cheers

[Godswrathishere]

Hello Painsey. I am glad to see you are still doing videos. Very nice.

[urcky]

Your concept of proof is obsiously very different to that of the accepted standard of the Scottish legal system (or English).

[painsey]

@urcky oh i see well im sorry i pissed in your soup, for fuck sake listen to what she is saying, i will ask you again why is there a 100 yr clause in the thousands of files relating to the massacre?

[blackswordshinobi]

bro this kissrdbc becauea MI6 NOTHING BE MESS with thay that will acleaner the cleaner job is to clearn bad press as news and people what do people is to kill people becareful......

[Donatellangelo]

I would think the people who still buy into it are in support of gun control because of the principle of it. Then again, this crap shows exactly why you ought to question authority to begin with.

[Godswrathishere]

@Donatellangelo Do you believe people should not have guns or do you believe that guns should not be allowed for people?

[Donatellangelo]

@Godswrathishere What? I'm against authority period, if you want a gun, go get one. Just don't get caught!

[Godswrathishere]

@Donatellangelo I don' t mean to upset anyone. I am in America, and can and do have them. I just was curious about what way it is there all the time. Painsey told me that you all can't have guns there. I find that strange, I guess.

[Donatellangelo]

@Godswrathishere Felons cannot legally own firearms (and in some instances other weapons too).

[Godswrathishere]

@Donatellangelo Oh! That's right! I forgot about that. Sorry. I guess I am just in my own little world on things sometimes. I have never gone to jail in my life, so it never even crossed my mind. Oh well, now I know.

[Donatellangelo]

@Godswrathishere Me neither, cuz I am faster than the constabulary! ;D