The comment below concerning Mrs. Kennedy is correct..no way a shot came anywhere but from LHO in the TSBD. Another movie taken looking towards the knoll shows the spray of blood shooting towards the front when the head shot hit. Digitial movies confirm no shooter anywhere behind the fence/knoll area. Also, three shots heard, 2 witnesses directly below LHO confirmed he fired all three shots, heard three shell casings hit the floor above them.
I am not sure how JFK could have been shot from the knoll area and Mrs. Kennedy not touched by the bullet. She was right in the line of fire. Please explain that to a layman.
Hilarious to think that CIA interns would be working here under fake names at YouTube. Be that as it may, JFK was shot from BOTH upper behind and upper front angles (ie the famous back and to the left quote). The gunless "bums" hanging around the grassy knoll, bridge and tracks were merely those in the know who were given a front row seat to the "big event."
Did you know the 9 forensic pathologists for the HSCA said in their report there was no evidence of the president being shot from the front or side and both shots that struck him came from above and behind him?
@LoneNutter1 Parkland Hospital Dr.Malcolm Perry--one of the ER doctors who first worked on JFK--performed the tracheotomy and he has consistently said that there was a tiny entrance wound just below JFK's Adam's Apple. Since JFK never had his face toward the Book Depository after the car turned onto Elm Street and since none of the shots came before the car turned onto Elm, this shot had to come from the front and that eliminates Oswald as a lone gunman.
@bigjohnmac Dr Perry never said the hole in JFK's throat was and entrance wound. He said it had the appearance of being an entrance wound. The Dr. and nurses in the ER did not perform a physical examination of the president. They were trying to save his life and amidst the difficulty of the moment these are not the people who are going to determine what something was and was not. That's not their job. That's the job of the forensic pathologists. They are the ones who identify entrance/exit
@LoneNutter1 Dr. Perry originally said the throat wound was an entrance wound and then later qualified that statement possibly under pressure by the FBI. The problem is that the JFK autopsy was not performed by qualified, experienced pathologists. Standard procedures such as sectioning the brain.to determine angles of entry were not performed. The autopsy was being controlled by admirals and generals who made sure the "facts" lined up with the FBI's predetermined conclusion.
@bigjohnmac Dr.Humes was board certified and senior pathologist at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Dr. Finke was chief of the Wound Ballistics Pathology Branch of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology. The idea the autopsy was controlled by generals and admirals is totally incorrect. This misinformation has been spread by the conspiracy obsessed when they took partial answers from Dr. Finke's testimony at the Shaw trial and taking comments out of context.
@bigjohnmac wounds, cause and time of death and other information to assist in the investigation of the assassination.
The physical evidence says the throat wound was a point of exit. The fibers in the shirt collar and tie where the bullet penetrated were moving away from the body. The back wound was the entry point because the jacket and shirt fibers were moving toward the body. All of the investigations into the assassination state JFK was struck by two bullets fired from behind and above.
Altgens WC testimony - I was looking back up here at the triple overpass and I remarked to the sergeant, I said, "Look at all those people up there on the triple overpass." I would estimate about a dozen were up there.
Mr. LIEBELER - On the railroad tracks immediately over Elm--immediately over the triple underpass?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir; and I said, "I wonder what the heck all those people are doing up there when they wouldn't let me up there to make pictures?"
@LoneNutter1 The point is it's just a coincidence that a professional photographer was removed from the triple overpass by uniformed policeman and the JFK camera car was placed behind the Presidential limousine where they could not film JFK or the assassination. And also, why was no effort made to find the uniformed policeman who ordered the AP photographer off the overpass just prior to the assassination?
Altgens I arrived on the triple overpass there was no one up there but two uniformed policemen and one of the uniformed policemen came over to me and asked me if I was a railroad employee ....I showed him my press tag and told him I had a Department of Public Safety ID card showing I was connected with the AP--Associated Press he said "Well, I'm sorry, but this is private property. It belongs to the railroad and only railroad employees are permitted on this property."
If you freeze this film at frame 31 or 32, according to the late Bill Cooper, the man standing in the doorway in the background is Lee Harvey Oswald. Cooper relates in another video found on you tube that he conducted analysis that satisfied him, that it was Oswald. If that is true, and I'm not convinced it's Oswald in the doorway looking to his right, but if true, he can't be in the upper floor firing shoots.
@MrRidingman That's not Oswald in the photo regardless of what Cooper says. He wasn't in Dealey Plaza But Wesley Frazier was and he worked with Oswald and the man in the photo Billy Lovelady. Frazier identified Lovelady at the Oswald trial in London and remembers standing behind him on the upper steps to the entrance of the TSBD.
A former combat photog then working for the AP, should know better and more about gunshot wounds. He CLAIMS in a later book that he "froze" and couldnt take the pic. He's most likely LYING and supporting the bullshit in the Warren "commission" BECAUSE EVERY WITNESS AROUND HIM IS "COMMITTING SUICIDE" if they speak against the Oswald theory.
@LoneNutter1 Sheriff Roger Craig, after losing his job for speaking out disputing the lone assasin theory apparently died of self inflicted gun shot wound after earlier attempts on his life.
@LoneNutter1 Other cops thought people were being murdered if they spoke out. For instance in the early 70's Seymour Weitzman the cop who claimed that he had found a Mauser on the sixth floor of the TSBD "He mentioned that exactly other people that are somehow witnesses of the situation, or part of the investigation, died mysteriously... His hands tremor; it is obviously very upsetting for him." Dr. Laburda told the HSCA.
@TrueNovice Seymour can claim finding a Mauser on the 6th floor all he wants. But it was Eugene Boone who found the Mannlicher and mistakenly identified it as a Mauser based on the bolt action on the rifle.
Are you getting the names of the people who "died mysteriously" from one of Jim Marrs books? If so, throw it away or get your money back. Marrs is an opportunist who embellishes a story and makes it "conspiratorial". The conspiracy theme is in nearly everything Marrs writes. He's a hack.
@LoneNutter1 Weizman was one of 3 cops who identified it as a Mauser in there written statements that day, but yeah, what did he know, he was just a witness and they got it corrected. And Marie Muchmore filmed the assassination, sold the film, and then was so scared about what she saw, she told the FBI in December 1963 that she never filmed it. Oswald was dead by then convicted in the media as lone killer. Why was she so worried? Most of the documents are on the Mary Ferrell web site
@LoneNutter1 Also check out the Ruby Alibi witness, her first statement. She's the stripper, Ruby wired the money to her to manufacture the fake mental illness diminished capacity defense, while the crooked Dallas cops delayed the Oz transfer. She told the Federal Agent she feared for her life, and he does not ask her why she feared for her life. Kind of funny strange don't you think?
What factually happened? The Ruby alibi witness told the Secret Service she was in fear. Thel authorities don't ask her why. The woman who filmed JFK's murder is so afraid she won't even admit to filming the murder a month after Oswald's death. I agree - why would either woman be afraid if they were certain it was Oswald acting alone killed JFK or that Ruby just happened to be a the police station because he was just coming from wiring money at the nearby Western Union?
@TrueNovice The truth of the matter is you don't know what happened factually but you've laced your post with loads of innuendo.
You've asked lots of questions and the wording is assumptive that something underhanded or nefarious had occurred.
Your message is typical of the pro-conspiracy ilk who have cleverly woven veiled accusations within their messages. It's a real art to be able to do that but I can spot it immediately due to my career in advertising. I can identify balderdash easily.
@LoneNutter1 I am responsible for what the witnesses said? And how they acted? I am responsible when the investigators don't ask any followup questions?
You should discuss this with the pathologists who did the autopsy on Ruby. The poor guy had so much damage done to his brain that stemmed back to his youth. He suffered scores of mini-strokes that damaged his brain and caused him to have the explosive reactions to seemingly minor things. Before he died he tried to kill himself by slamming his head into the concrete walls. He babbled incoherently at times.
And you say he faked a mental illness? That's absurd!
@LoneNutter1 The Jury did not buy Ruby's diminished capacity defense either and convicted him of premeditated murder of Oswald. But yes poor Jack Ruby, sitting in a cell over looking Dealey Plaza where JFK was murdered. Ruby was never allowed to testify outside of Texas like he asked. Coughing and spitting up blood, the prison authorities said he had a cold. . I wonder what he would have said if he had been alllowed to testify in DC as he asked
Altgens was in SURVIVAL mode like so many other witnesses who ACTUALLY saw this.The MD's at Parkland saw a ENTRANCE wound in JFK's neck--in fact they stated that for the traceotomy they didn't have to make an incision!! The head wound was described by them as ENTRANCE HOLE ABOVE AND FORWARD OF RIGHT EAR IN TEMPLE--EXIT WOUND WAS APPROXIMATELY THREE AND ONE HALF INCHES--BLOWING OUT REAR OF SKULL. IF BULLETT HAD ENTERED HEAD FROM REAR HOLE WOULD BE SMALL AND FRONT BLOWN OUT. RESEARCH IT YOURSELF.
the photo Altgens did NOT take that he says he doesn't know why he didn't, was the photo that would have showed the entire knoll in a sharp photo from close up - the only other photo like that is Moorman's which was polaroid film, hence all is a blurr. But Altgen's photo would have been a sharp image of knoll.
Liar. Too many bullet holes. Two in the limo. One through the windshield from the front. The zapruder film was doctored by the FBI, as were other filmstrips. Shill FAIL.
The Zapruder film shows JFK';s head being thrown backward violently not forward or sideways. From Altgens angle he may not have been able to see this but it is clear from all the films, and medical testimony from the Parkland Hospital personnel that JFK was hit from two different directions.
@bigjohnmac You're wrong. Frames 312 to 314 show his head moving forward, or down towards his chest at the time of impact. Only after his head explodes is he thrown back literally in the opposite direction of the energy being released from the right side of his head. The MD's at parkland hospital were applying life saving measures, not doing an autopsy or investigation. They tried to keep him breathing, then pronounced him dead.
@bigjohnmac In 1991 MD's at parkland hospital that stated they saw a large exit wound in the rear, changed their tune once they were shown autopsy photos at the national archives the public hasn't seen. They were mistaken, they were seeing brain material matted into his hair that appeared to be hanging out of the back of his head. They never even saw the small entry wound in the back of his head, or the wound in his upper back near his spine.
....I'm only taking the man (an actual witness) at his word!! No, all the people were not "RIGHT THERE", they were all in different locations. James Altgens was standing in the street, relatively in harms way when the shots were fired (in his direction to make it easy for you.... ) Just because people ran up the hill means what?? Maybe they were trying to see the Limo as it headed up Stemmons Freeway....
Mr. Altgens sounds like one of conspirators when he says "It is so obvious that it came from behind" He had the worst position to make that assumption. His photo defined with no crack after the neck shot, again to make the assumption that the neck shot also came from behind. Go to " Limo to Detroit 1& 2" people were positive about a hole. HIs famous photo probably was tampered like others items.The position of bullet hole at windshield is exactly
@uranorexic I'm curious who said the Dictabelt recording of the "shots" was valid?
You should Google the following "C-span HBMcLain". It's a video interview of HB McLain that part of the "6th Floor Museum" collection.It's a 42 minute interview that's very interesting and enlightening. There is one person who linked Ruby and Oswald and that's Beverly Oliver (the same woman who says she's Babushka lady) She also said she saw Oswald, Ruby and the assassin of MLK Jr. "Raoul". She's not credible.
For people reading this in 2011 - two new sources: Due to the release of tens of thousands of documents under the auspices of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) as authorized by JFK Records Collection Act of 1992 - we have a lot more info now. The best over all books to examine this new info is: "JFK and Unspeakable - Why He Died and Why It Matters" by James W. Douglas (pub 2008) and for much more detail, "Inside the ARRB" by Douglas P. Horne (pub 2010) Both at amazon.com.
@uranorexic: You are a troll, or worse a disinformation agent who practices the black art of disinformation - "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth." "The bigger the lie the more they'll believe it." - Joseph Goebbels (Hitler's Propaganda and disinformation Minister). I don't owe you a thing. It is up to you to prove the magic bullet theory - something no one has ever done successfully. Don't expect any further responses from me. I don't believe in feeding the trolls.
@uranorexic What subsequent studies demonstrated the acoustic evidence was not bogus? Who conducted the studies? When were they done?
The HSCA report made a superficial link of Oswald to the Mob via LHO's uncle and his affiliation with Carlos Marcello. That can hardly be called an extensive link. A number of people in the upper echelon of the Mob have become informants and to this day nobody has ever "spilled the beans" about a connection with the assassination.
It's so obvious that this man has been coached. Body language gives him away. Fucking liar. This man is now burning in a hell of his own making. A hell for traitors.
Altgens was ideally placed to take more photos as the car passed him -after the second and third shots. If so, he could have captured something important as he would have been looking right into the car. He blew it. He only took photos as the car approached and only after the third shot-as Hill climbed on.
"it caused him to bolt fowards" its plain for all to see from the video his body went backwards, 1:25 reasurance rub of the neck coz he's lying through his teeth, police ran up the knoll because that is where the final shot came from, the police probably did corner the gunman and when they found out he was of higher power had no power to do anything even the cameraman said the shot came from behind him,
So...he's flabbergasted that 100 people went running up the grassy knoll, to the fence? If 100 people went running up to the fence, then why is he SO SURE that the all the shots came from behind? Did he see the gunman? No. But yet, he's POSITIVE that it was one gunman, from behind...Yeah, okay, this guy is clearly terrified to speak out of line. He doesn't want to be a victim of the old single car wreck, or 24 hour cancer, if you get my drift.
@mkii1964 - All the people who went running up to the fence were standing RIGHT THERE, as well. So...in your convoluted brain, Altgens is the one that is correct, and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong? Haha, yeah...you're a disinfo troll.
@LongLiveOx His own photo refutes what he is saying. It shows JFK grabbing his throat way before the Z film shows it, proving the Z film is a fraud. The Dallas doctors all said throat wound was an entry wound.
Google Altgens photo and compare what you see to the Z film.
@LoneNutter1 The throat wound was was not determined at the autopsy to be a bullet wound. No good scientific reason to believe the throat would was caused by a bullet or bullet fragment. It's possible that when the skull fragmented, a small piece broke through caused the injury.
@LongLiveOx None of the people who ran to the fence saw someone with a gun. Nobody in Dealey Plaza saw anyone with a gun on the knoll, nor was anyone seen leaving the knoll with a rifle, nor was a weapon found anywhere near the knoll, nor was there evidence shots were fired from there. But there are witnesses who saw a man on the 6th floor of the TSBD holding a rifle and firing it at the motorcade. Most reasonable people would not run towards someone with a rifle who had just been shooting.
After the unidentified security people ordered him off the overpass. Altgen testified I was looking back up here at the triple overpass and I remarked to the sergeant, I said, "Look at all those people up there on the triple overpass." I would estimate about a dozen were up there." I wonder why they don't ask him about this in this documentary?
ALTGENS. ,I arrived on the triple overpass there was no one up there but two uniformed policemen and one of the uniformed policemen came over to me and asked me if I was a railroad employee and I told him, "No," and I showed him my press tag and told him I had a Department of Public Safety ID card showing I was connected with the AP. He said, "Well, I'm sorry, but this is private property. It belongs to the railroad and only railroad employees are permitted on this property."
@26marbay First, it's Zapruder, not Zabruder. All 9 forensic pathologists for the HSCA said there is no medical evidence JFK was shot form the front or side. All shots that struck him came from above and behind. He was struck twice; once in the back and once to the back of the head. If you have a problem with their findings, tell them, not me. Contact Dr. Michael Baden who lead the team of pathologists for the HSCA and tell him the report is wrong. I'm sure he'll be glad to hear form you.
@autoad Actually, the forensic panel in 1978 discussed exhuming President Kennedy's body because the discrepancy between the exigant photos and the autopsy report were so severe. As for Dr. Baden is he at OJ Simpson address still, if you want to contact him, be sure and be able to pay his hefty fee, and then he will say anything you want him to.
@TrueNovice Your posting is a wonderful example of how the believers of conspiracy treat people who don't say the things you'd like them to say. You accuse Baden of being a mouthpiece for anyone as long as they have the money. I don't know Dr. Baden personally. But his reputation for being fair and impartial are well known. I think it's safe to say that you don't know him either which makes your diminishing comments of him even more disturbing. This is one of the many reasons the CT'ers have
@LoneNutter1 There is a FOUR INCH DISCREPANCY between the entrance wound on JFK's head as depicted in the alleged autopsy photo and as it is described in the 1963 autopsy report. The new and improved version places it at the top of the head while the autopsy report places it 4 inches lower. Here the autopsy Dr. Hume is arguing w them that there wound of entrance is actually a clot of blood, but since the trajectory is wrong, the wound will have to be moved up to make the "facts" fit.
Your posting of the transcript and the "specific" discussion was misleading, distorted and insinuates something nefarious was under way.
The specific discussion that caused Dr. Loquvan to not have the discussion entered into the record was regarding Dr. Humes having not seen the enlarged photos prior to the session. There was a great deal of theorizing going on amongst the other physicians. This hearing was not the time or place for the "theorizing".
@TrueNovice Why am I not surprised that you would intentionally distort the discussion among the physicians in order to "prove" your point?
Your "conspiratorial" behavior is irresponsible and demonstrates the necessity for us not to trust the CT'ers because you people have a long standing history of pulling stunts like this.
@LoneNutter1 If you read the transcript and don't get that the argument is about a FOUR INCH DISCREPANCY between the entrance wound on JFK's head as depicted in the alleged autopsy photo and as it is described in the 1963 autopsy report, you must be completely illiterate, or you have some kind of agenda. They even mentioned in the report that controversy actually forced them to consider exhuming Kennedy's body in 1978. If this discrepancy occurred at Oswald's trial, they would have had to.
@TrueNovice You misrepresented the specifics of the exchange in the transcript. You made it appear the overall discussion on the wound discrepancy was going to be excluded from the record. It wasn't. It was on a different matter entirely.
This is a favorite trick of the conspiracy cultists who misrepresent images, statements and quotes by leaving out essential information. Mark Lane is famous for pulling stunts like this. It's designed to gin up negative sentiments among the uninformed.
@LoneNutter1 I gave an accurate account of what they are talking about,but there are probably too few who will actually read the full transcript. We have numerous allegations that you are the same guy using different screen names, you have not responded to that. Is it true. I am not part of any conspiracy cabal playing tricks on the public, that seems to be your role.
@LoneNutter1 I quoted the transcript verbatim and explained exactly what was being discussed. Baloney probably not the worst thing you put in your mouth.
@TrueNovice There you go again in typical conspiracy cultist fashion. Personal insults and vile language emerge when one of them is exposed for the fraud they perpetuate.
@LoneNutter1 I think you imagine things. There is no planned "conspiracy cultist" working against you. The only reason you seem paranoid is because everyone is against you.
@TrueNovice No conjured theories here. I just call 'em as I see 'em. And when someone tries to pull a fast one the way you tried, I'm going to speak up.
I really don't care if I'm all alone in exposing frauds and snake-oil hucksters.
@LoneNutter1 Tell it to your imaginary friends, you exposed nothing. You are a fraud yourself, How do you account for the 4 INCH DISCREPANCY of the wound location on JFK's head as described in the autopsy report and now supposedly shown in the alleged autopsy photos. The new and improved location that the autopsy doctors disputed in their private testimony, which was never supposed to be made public?
@TrueNovice I don't have to tell anybody anything. Your fraudulent posting speaks volumes and your continued protestations, even after being caught telling a big lie, further reveals yourself as a merchant of misinformation.
@LoneNutter1 I didn't post anything fraudulent. I quoted the transcript verbatim and properly explained it's context. You tried to mislead that they were talking about photo blowups, The blowups were shown to Dr. Hume in the hope that he would change his testimony. But it did not work. You are the fraudster who claims s/he was once a a conspiracy believer and then you read a book, American Grotesque, published in 1970 and this changed your mind.
@TrueNovice Your posting was 100% misleading. Go back and look at it.
What was the intent of posting an excerpt of the testimony other than to create an impression the HSAC was going to engage in something underhanded by not having information read into the record?
This is typical of the CT'ers for the past 50 years! You got caught and you're not accustomed to it!
@LoneNutter1 That's not the impression I created, it's what actually happened. The HSCA brushed over the massive 4 inch discrepancy, concealed the transcript of this tape and actually destroyed the tape on which it was based. You didn't understand that?
@LoneNutter1 In fact the doctors transcript was not released until well after the official HSCA report and the tape recording of the conversations from which it was transcribed was destroyed. So very little attention was payed to the 4 inch discrepancy on the wound location on JFK's head. Certainly none of the pseudo documentaries by Jennings and the cable channels never mention it.
@TrueNovice Your credibility is shot and you did it to yourself. Clear thinking people will dismiss your comments and for the reason you deceived them with your half-truth posting and deceptions.
You Conspiracy cultists have become accustomed to not hearing a dissenting voice that exposes your fabrications and deceit.
@TrueNovice lonenutter1 is the asshole, Thomas Lowery. His favorite screen name is cccdraftsman, and he has many others. Lowery will always lie & defend the conspirators. This shithead is in almost all of the Kennedy youtube rooms; 24-7.
@jacobji5 He's the same guy. He uses different names because he wants people to think there are more people who think like him? He is kind of like Oswald with the fair Play for Cuba Committee, he used talk about we and and us when referring to what seems to be a one man operation.
@TrueNovice You got it. Lowery is talking shit like the CIA assholes want. Same as Oswald was told to do for them. Too bad Oswald didn't get that he was the set-up patsy by his own organization of criminals until it was too late.
@jacobji5 Here you go again spreading more misinformation. I go by one name"Lonenutter1" I am not cccdreftsman or Thomas Lowery or anybody else.
You're making the attacks personal now because I'm wasn't going to succumb to your antics. You got caught in the CT'ers favorite technique; misinformation, misdirection and deception.
@TrueNovice a poor reputation for being objective. You consistently refuse to evaluate facts and evidence impartially. When someone says something you don't agree with, you accuse them of accepting bribes, taking payoffs. You marginalize them along with their opinion.
This is one of the many reasons people don't take you seriously.
@LoneNutter1 I merely pointed out that Dr. Baden was OJ's trial defense doctor. That he advertises his skills to the highest bidder in attorney publications. As pertinent to the JFK case, he instructed Ida Dox the medical illustrator to alter the drawings of the photographs to show the entry wound 4 inches higher than depicted in the autopsy report. In the actual photo, it does look like a clot of blood as Dr. Hume, 1 of the autopsy docs described it in his testimony.
@LoneNutter1 Dr. Baden testified for OJ. I guess you missed it? The exchange on the Ida Dox drawing of the back of Kennedys head was released in the 1990's under the assassination review board. The HSCA medical panel discussion on the discrepancy (4 inches) in the location of the head wound, was transcribed in the HSCA hearings and exhibits.
@autoad Actually, the forensic panel in 1978 discussed exhuming President Kennedy's body because the discrepancy between the exigant photos and the autopsy report were so severe. As for Dr. Baden is he at OJ Simpson address still, if you want to contact him, be sure and be able to pay his hefty fee, and then he will say anything you want him to.
I was speaking about the medical evidence and the report issued by the team of pathologists. I was not addressing the final report of the HSCA.
The HSCA was using the acoustic evidence when they made their conclusion about the probability of a conspiracy. Since then, the acoustic evidence was reviewed by the National Academy of Sciences and they said there were no recordings of any shots on the Dallas police dictabelt. They said the recording, made by a
@AsDeadAsDillinger "stuck on open" microphone on a police motorcycle, was actually recorded a few miles away from Dealey Plaza and 90 seconds after the shooting. The HSCA scientists said the recording was made from HB McClain's motorcycle. They said the acoustic "fingerprint" was a match if McClain's motorcycle was turning off Houston St onto Elm at the time of the shooting. By matching up the film shot in Dealey Plaza it has been shown with 100% certainty McClain was turning off Main St.
@AsDeadAsDillinger onto Elm, 170 feet away from where he was assumed to be. The acoustic evidence is therefore invalid.
I would suggest you read the messages of other carefully before you reply. It will likely cause less embarrassment for yourself.
The HSCA did not overturn the finding of the Warren Commission. In fact, they supported their conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the bullets that killed the president.
I'm surprised you didn't know about the problems with the acoustics.
As a 'Conspiracy Sceptic' maybe you can help me out. Does the Warren Commission executive session on January 27, 1964 say that LHO was informant 'S179' for the FBI or not ?
I'd like a definitive answer from the 'LHO was not an FBI asset ' side of the argument.
And who does CIA agent payroll number 110669 refer to ? (see the HSCA testimony of CIA accounant Wilcot and Preyer for a clue)
Do you think that those facts alone would support a conclusion ?
But let's roll thie dice and see.
So let's assume that LHO 'was' working for the FBI & CIA when he 'apparently' assassinated the President , So that would be an example of a working democracy in action for you is it ?
2 Govt agencies conspiring in the assassination of their Chief Executive?
I hope that wasn';t the case,
but with a faggot like Hoover, in charge (and a paranoid like Angleton) who can tell ?
@AsDeadAsDillinger autoad is a CIA shill boy. same as cdddraftsman, kooktartsbigfarts, littlevinnycock, jgarfbihoover. The real name behind most of these screen names is Thomas Lowery. Autoad is probably another screen name from this asshole.
@jacobji5 Do you sit around all day trying to figure out if people are assuming different identities?
I think the only person who would do that is someone assuming different identities.
Sorry to disappoint you but I have one identity.
Besides..why are you so concerned? After all the conspiracy theorists have a wealth of evidence to support their twenty/twenty five different theories. Well..that's what you've been claiming for nearly 50 years. We sure do hope you decide soon to share it soon.
@jacobji5 Well it should make someone think about people who post harassing comments to people with honest questions and what sort of axe they have to grind.
I'm amazed how lopsided the debate on the assassination is. By the looks of it those that believe Oswald did it are fools, idiots, stupid, shills, deceivers, liars, jerks, lame-brained, cover-up artists and schemers. And those that believe in one of the dozen or so different conspiracy theories are intelligent, brave, noble, wise, champions of truth, honest and made of the finest moral fabric.
But the theorists have no evidence, no proof, no nothing after nearly 50 years.
you can tell he's lying because his lips are moving.The only reason JFK might have leaned forwards was when Greer SLAMMED ON THE BRAKES IN THE KILLING ZONE!!!
we know this is a lie...JFK's head goes back NOT forward!!!
he said the ONE thing that seemed a little strange is that they run up to the grass? did you know EYE WITNESSES point to the grass area!!! and years later we see the film showing his head going back.....this is meant to make you believe he was shot from behind....did you know two secret service agents are suppost to stand on the bumper of jfks car...but they werent there to protect his back that day...why were they called off?
this man's description of the fatal shot contradicts what the Zapruder film shows: JFK lurched BACKWARD not forward. He can't even say it with a straight face.
He turned into a CIA shill boy. At no time did he describe what we saw on a video. JFK's head & body went backwards. Altgens never said that. He saw whatever the CIA threatened him to see.
Complete Idiot....he is responsible for a "great" photograph and believes everything that the WC/FBI gives him. People who don't believe in a conspiracy in the JFK case are just sheep being lead to the slaughter. 99.5% of all people cannot believe with all the evidence 40+ years later that this was LHO at all.
@ahidel Yes, near 50 yrs.!! Just shows you, when it comes from the top, a thousand & 50 yrs. will not be enough.
The only way to get the truth, is to have a revolution, hang the oppressors, as they did Saddam, & open up the books!
Not only would we know who killed JFK, RFK, MLK, & many, many more, but we could also start a REAL DEMOCRACY, & see to it that ALL humans are important & not just the Billionaires & Trillionaires, that enslave us, & lead us to believe we are FREE. a GIANT TASK!!!
@hanksnow2 ok, you start it.. or would you prefer others do the dirty work? and who would you hang first? your anti-fascist suggestion comes across as well.. a tad odious
By implication you mean that Altgens, the interviewer and technicians behind the camera in the studio, the researcher who produced this television program and the executives and other people responsible for the program going on air were all part of a conspiracy? Do you mean Altgens was threatened? By whom? Why didn't the guys employed to threaten Altgens never come out with the story? This is a conspiracy too vast to be credible.
@VoiceOfTheMan - Everyone got on board with the coverup story because they were ordered to or threatened with either loss of their employment or their lives. In addition, they were told they were doing a patriotic duty to humankind and their nation in order to prevent a Soviet/Cuba conspiracy from being discovered and leading to US retaliation and resultant escalation to WWIII which would have killed 50 millian Americans & 100 millian Soviets - initially. Nuclear winter would finish the rest.
@reefergladness OVER the windshield ?? from where? the only place that could do that would would be from the top of the underpass - and there were bystanders on there so that's impossible. The neck shot entered the top of JFKs back and came out of his neck. Search 'Bob Harris' on here. He proved that because of the angle the shot had to come from the Daltex building
No assasin would attempt a shot through a windshield. It's ludicrous. The effect on the bullet is unpredictable - especialy through a sloping windshield. The perfect opportunity is where the car is simply moving away and there is little or no lateral movement (along Elm street from the Daltex and probably with a silencer so that attention is not diverted from the book depository)
The bullet that struck Kennedy in the back of the neck, exited his throat and wounded Connally in the back, chest, arm and leg was matched to Oswald's rifle. The fragments of a bullet found inside the limousine which most likely responsible for the fatal head wound were also matched to Oswald's rifle.
There were no other bullets, spent shells or rifles found and all the wounds to JFK and Connally could be accounted for by two out of three shots that were fired.
@VoiceOfTheMan - You sure are the voice of the man. Than man was LBJ. We and J Edgar Hoover developed the whole cover story, then demand that the Warren Commission parrot them. Arlen Spector tried, unsuccessfully to save the story with is inane "magic bullet" theory when proof of a bullet miss (hitting a curb and injuring a witness) desturbed the three (and three only shots) story. So suddenly they had to explain three sets of wounds with two bullets. Pathetic that some still believe it.
@funkmasterjee probably from the southern-most pylon of said underpass.. true, it's not ideal to fire thru a windshield - but this was plan b after no head shots were registered in first volley of shots (throat, back, miss) - .. hence the kill zone efforts.. if kennedy suffered a bullet from behind that exited directly at his adam's apple - he would've been instantly paralyzed from the entrance wound (thru spinal column)
@funkmasterjee - Not according to all of the Parkland hospital doctors, nurses and other witnesses who described the throat wound as an entrance wound and no matter how many times you say differently, you can't change what they saw - so give it up!
you really cant say oswald was the lone shooter, but however if you look up James Files on youtube he claims he was the one who shot the president , but personally I dont think oswald shot no one !!!!!!!!!
Common sense would tell you people ran up the knoll to look over the fence to see what happened to the limo, did it stop or drive on....
johnamac123 3 days ago
The comment below concerning Mrs. Kennedy is correct..no way a shot came anywhere but from LHO in the TSBD. Another movie taken looking towards the knoll shows the spray of blood shooting towards the front when the head shot hit. Digitial movies confirm no shooter anywhere behind the fence/knoll area. Also, three shots heard, 2 witnesses directly below LHO confirmed he fired all three shots, heard three shell casings hit the floor above them.
johnamac123 3 days ago
I am not sure how JFK could have been shot from the knoll area and Mrs. Kennedy not touched by the bullet. She was right in the line of fire. Please explain that to a layman.
41057al 4 days ago
Hilarious to think that CIA interns would be working here under fake names at YouTube. Be that as it may, JFK was shot from BOTH upper behind and upper front angles (ie the famous back and to the left quote). The gunless "bums" hanging around the grassy knoll, bridge and tracks were merely those in the know who were given a front row seat to the "big event."
themredweirdoshow 2 weeks ago
AP reporters work for the CIA.
rog944 1 month ago
....who was the nearest witness to JFK when he was shot?
aamzing how Jacky wasnt called as a witness
Alchaeon1 1 month ago
This twat is lying.
andreasegde 1 month ago
Did you listen to James Altgens in this video?
Did you know the 9 forensic pathologists for the HSCA said in their report there was no evidence of the president being shot from the front or side and both shots that struck him came from above and behind him?
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Parkland Hospital Dr.Malcolm Perry--one of the ER doctors who first worked on JFK--performed the tracheotomy and he has consistently said that there was a tiny entrance wound just below JFK's Adam's Apple. Since JFK never had his face toward the Book Depository after the car turned onto Elm Street and since none of the shots came before the car turned onto Elm, this shot had to come from the front and that eliminates Oswald as a lone gunman.
bigjohnmac 1 month ago
@bigjohnmac Dr Perry never said the hole in JFK's throat was and entrance wound. He said it had the appearance of being an entrance wound. The Dr. and nurses in the ER did not perform a physical examination of the president. They were trying to save his life and amidst the difficulty of the moment these are not the people who are going to determine what something was and was not. That's not their job. That's the job of the forensic pathologists. They are the ones who identify entrance/exit
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Dr. Perry originally said the throat wound was an entrance wound and then later qualified that statement possibly under pressure by the FBI. The problem is that the JFK autopsy was not performed by qualified, experienced pathologists. Standard procedures such as sectioning the brain.to determine angles of entry were not performed. The autopsy was being controlled by admirals and generals who made sure the "facts" lined up with the FBI's predetermined conclusion.
bigjohnmac 1 month ago
@bigjohnmac Dr.Humes was board certified and senior pathologist at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Dr. Finke was chief of the Wound Ballistics Pathology Branch of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology. The idea the autopsy was controlled by generals and admirals is totally incorrect. This misinformation has been spread by the conspiracy obsessed when they took partial answers from Dr. Finke's testimony at the Shaw trial and taking comments out of context.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@bigjohnmac wounds, cause and time of death and other information to assist in the investigation of the assassination.
The physical evidence says the throat wound was a point of exit. The fibers in the shirt collar and tie where the bullet penetrated were moving away from the body. The back wound was the entry point because the jacket and shirt fibers were moving toward the body. All of the investigations into the assassination state JFK was struck by two bullets fired from behind and above.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@bigjohnmac There is overwhelming evidence against LHO as the shooter. Not only is he guilty of being a double murderer...he's guilty as sin.
Case Closed.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
Altgens WC testimony - I was looking back up here at the triple overpass and I remarked to the sergeant, I said, "Look at all those people up there on the triple overpass." I would estimate about a dozen were up there.
Mr. LIEBELER - On the railroad tracks immediately over Elm--immediately over the triple underpass?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir; and I said, "I wonder what the heck all those people are doing up there when they wouldn't let me up there to make pictures?"
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@TrueNovice And your point being.....?
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 The point is it's just a coincidence that a professional photographer was removed from the triple overpass by uniformed policeman and the JFK camera car was placed behind the Presidential limousine where they could not film JFK or the assassination. And also, why was no effort made to find the uniformed policeman who ordered the AP photographer off the overpass just prior to the assassination?
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Most objective people reading the testimony would ask themselves.
TrueNovice 1 month ago
Altgens I arrived on the triple overpass there was no one up there but two uniformed policemen and one of the uniformed policemen came over to me and asked me if I was a railroad employee ....I showed him my press tag and told him I had a Department of Public Safety ID card showing I was connected with the AP--Associated Press he said "Well, I'm sorry, but this is private property. It belongs to the railroad and only railroad employees are permitted on this property."
TrueNovice 1 month ago
If you freeze this film at frame 31 or 32, according to the late Bill Cooper, the man standing in the doorway in the background is Lee Harvey Oswald. Cooper relates in another video found on you tube that he conducted analysis that satisfied him, that it was Oswald. If that is true, and I'm not convinced it's Oswald in the doorway looking to his right, but if true, he can't be in the upper floor firing shoots.
MrRidingman 1 month ago
@MrRidingman That's not Oswald in the photo regardless of what Cooper says. He wasn't in Dealey Plaza But Wesley Frazier was and he worked with Oswald and the man in the photo Billy Lovelady. Frazier identified Lovelady at the Oswald trial in London and remembers standing behind him on the upper steps to the entrance of the TSBD.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
Boy, the conspiracy nuts are all over this one....
irish89055 1 month ago
this guy is part of the cover-up...it's the way he's telling the story...liars' indicating signs...
hairyscotman 2 months ago
@hairyscotman You don't like what he saying so you call him a liar.
That's typical for someone who has no evidence to refute Altgens.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
A former combat photog then working for the AP, should know better and more about gunshot wounds. He CLAIMS in a later book that he "froze" and couldnt take the pic. He's most likely LYING and supporting the bullshit in the Warren "commission" BECAUSE EVERY WITNESS AROUND HIM IS "COMMITTING SUICIDE" if they speak against the Oswald theory.
culturecrusherblog 2 months ago
@culturecrusherblog What specific witnesses 'committed suicide" or "mysteriously died" as a result of speaking against the Oswald theory?
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Sheriff Roger Craig, after losing his job for speaking out disputing the lone assasin theory apparently died of self inflicted gun shot wound after earlier attempts on his life.
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Other cops thought people were being murdered if they spoke out. For instance in the early 70's Seymour Weitzman the cop who claimed that he had found a Mauser on the sixth floor of the TSBD "He mentioned that exactly other people that are somehow witnesses of the situation, or part of the investigation, died mysteriously... His hands tremor; it is obviously very upsetting for him." Dr. Laburda told the HSCA.
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@TrueNovice Seymour can claim finding a Mauser on the 6th floor all he wants. But it was Eugene Boone who found the Mannlicher and mistakenly identified it as a Mauser based on the bolt action on the rifle.
Are you getting the names of the people who "died mysteriously" from one of Jim Marrs books? If so, throw it away or get your money back. Marrs is an opportunist who embellishes a story and makes it "conspiratorial". The conspiracy theme is in nearly everything Marrs writes. He's a hack.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Weizman was one of 3 cops who identified it as a Mauser in there written statements that day, but yeah, what did he know, he was just a witness and they got it corrected. And Marie Muchmore filmed the assassination, sold the film, and then was so scared about what she saw, she told the FBI in December 1963 that she never filmed it. Oswald was dead by then convicted in the media as lone killer. Why was she so worried? Most of the documents are on the Mary Ferrell web site
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@TrueNovice What was she worried about?
I'm not looking for an opinion but for a fact; Do you know factually what she was afraid of?
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Very good question. They should have asked her don't you think? I would note that Muchmore was facing the knoll while she filmed.
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Also check out the Ruby Alibi witness, her first statement. She's the stripper, Ruby wired the money to her to manufacture the fake mental illness diminished capacity defense, while the crooked Dallas cops delayed the Oz transfer. She told the Federal Agent she feared for her life, and he does not ask her why she feared for her life. Kind of funny strange don't you think?
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@TrueNovice All these people fearing for their lives yet you've not answered why they were in fear.
This is typical conspiracy theory innuendo. You suggest something, but fall short on explaining factually what really happened.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
What factually happened? The Ruby alibi witness told the Secret Service she was in fear. Thel authorities don't ask her why. The woman who filmed JFK's murder is so afraid she won't even admit to filming the murder a month after Oswald's death. I agree - why would either woman be afraid if they were certain it was Oswald acting alone killed JFK or that Ruby just happened to be a the police station because he was just coming from wiring money at the nearby Western Union?
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@TrueNovice The truth of the matter is you don't know what happened factually but you've laced your post with loads of innuendo.
You've asked lots of questions and the wording is assumptive that something underhanded or nefarious had occurred.
Your message is typical of the pro-conspiracy ilk who have cleverly woven veiled accusations within their messages. It's a real art to be able to do that but I can spot it immediately due to my career in advertising. I can identify balderdash easily.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 Yes it's called reasonable doubt.
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@TrueNovice That's not even close to being called reasonable doubt.
It's unreasonable because it's based on unsubstantiated accusations and slimy supposition.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 I am responsible for what the witnesses said? And how they acted? I am responsible when the investigators don't ask any followup questions?
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@TrueNovice Faked mental illness?
You should discuss this with the pathologists who did the autopsy on Ruby. The poor guy had so much damage done to his brain that stemmed back to his youth. He suffered scores of mini-strokes that damaged his brain and caused him to have the explosive reactions to seemingly minor things. Before he died he tried to kill himself by slamming his head into the concrete walls. He babbled incoherently at times.
And you say he faked a mental illness? That's absurd!
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 The Jury did not buy Ruby's diminished capacity defense either and convicted him of premeditated murder of Oswald. But yes poor Jack Ruby, sitting in a cell over looking Dealey Plaza where JFK was murdered. Ruby was never allowed to testify outside of Texas like he asked. Coughing and spitting up blood, the prison authorities said he had a cold. . I wonder what he would have said if he had been alllowed to testify in DC as he asked
TrueNovice 1 month ago
Altgens was in SURVIVAL mode like so many other witnesses who ACTUALLY saw this.The MD's at Parkland saw a ENTRANCE wound in JFK's neck--in fact they stated that for the traceotomy they didn't have to make an incision!! The head wound was described by them as ENTRANCE HOLE ABOVE AND FORWARD OF RIGHT EAR IN TEMPLE--EXIT WOUND WAS APPROXIMATELY THREE AND ONE HALF INCHES--BLOWING OUT REAR OF SKULL. IF BULLETT HAD ENTERED HEAD FROM REAR HOLE WOULD BE SMALL AND FRONT BLOWN OUT. RESEARCH IT YOURSELF.
joedsavage 2 months ago
What a lyin sack o shit Altgens is.
The Zapruder film clearly and explictly show kennedys head going backward.
tom6612 2 months ago
the photo Altgens did NOT take that he says he doesn't know why he didn't, was the photo that would have showed the entire knoll in a sharp photo from close up - the only other photo like that is Moorman's which was polaroid film, hence all is a blurr. But Altgen's photo would have been a sharp image of knoll.
DCUPtoejuice 2 months ago
the FIRST shot Altgens heard hit the president. That should tell you something since the Warren Report claims it was the second shot.
DCUPtoejuice 2 months ago
Liar. Too many bullet holes. Two in the limo. One through the windshield from the front. The zapruder film was doctored by the FBI, as were other filmstrips. Shill FAIL.
howardtlewisiiiify 3 months ago
The Zapruder film shows JFK';s head being thrown backward violently not forward or sideways. From Altgens angle he may not have been able to see this but it is clear from all the films, and medical testimony from the Parkland Hospital personnel that JFK was hit from two different directions.
bigjohnmac 4 months ago
@bigjohnmac You're wrong. Frames 312 to 314 show his head moving forward, or down towards his chest at the time of impact. Only after his head explodes is he thrown back literally in the opposite direction of the energy being released from the right side of his head. The MD's at parkland hospital were applying life saving measures, not doing an autopsy or investigation. They tried to keep him breathing, then pronounced him dead.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin explain to me the shot that struck the curb causing it to shatter and hit james tague in the face over 200 feet down elm......
migo53333 2 months ago
@bigjohnmac In 1991 MD's at parkland hospital that stated they saw a large exit wound in the rear, changed their tune once they were shown autopsy photos at the national archives the public hasn't seen. They were mistaken, they were seeing brain material matted into his hair that appeared to be hanging out of the back of his head. They never even saw the small entry wound in the back of his head, or the wound in his upper back near his spine.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
....I'm only taking the man (an actual witness) at his word!! No, all the people were not "RIGHT THERE", they were all in different locations. James Altgens was standing in the street, relatively in harms way when the shots were fired (in his direction to make it easy for you.... ) Just because people ran up the hill means what?? Maybe they were trying to see the Limo as it headed up Stemmons Freeway....
mkii1964 5 months ago
Mr. Altgens sounds like one of conspirators when he says "It is so obvious that it came from behind" He had the worst position to make that assumption. His photo defined with no crack after the neck shot, again to make the assumption that the neck shot also came from behind. Go to " Limo to Detroit 1& 2" people were positive about a hole. HIs famous photo probably was tampered like others items.The position of bullet hole at windshield is exactly
at JFK neck and not a fragment of head shot
Verdelufe 5 months ago in playlist JFK
@uranorexic I'm curious who said the Dictabelt recording of the "shots" was valid?
You should Google the following "C-span HBMcLain". It's a video interview of HB McLain that part of the "6th Floor Museum" collection.It's a 42 minute interview that's very interesting and enlightening. There is one person who linked Ruby and Oswald and that's Beverly Oliver (the same woman who says she's Babushka lady) She also said she saw Oswald, Ruby and the assassin of MLK Jr. "Raoul". She's not credible.
autoad 6 months ago
For people reading this in 2011 - two new sources: Due to the release of tens of thousands of documents under the auspices of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) as authorized by JFK Records Collection Act of 1992 - we have a lot more info now. The best over all books to examine this new info is: "JFK and Unspeakable - Why He Died and Why It Matters" by James W. Douglas (pub 2008) and for much more detail, "Inside the ARRB" by Douglas P. Horne (pub 2010) Both at amazon.com.
symboy 6 months ago
@uranorexic: You are a troll, or worse a disinformation agent who practices the black art of disinformation - "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth." "The bigger the lie the more they'll believe it." - Joseph Goebbels (Hitler's Propaganda and disinformation Minister). I don't owe you a thing. It is up to you to prove the magic bullet theory - something no one has ever done successfully. Don't expect any further responses from me. I don't believe in feeding the trolls.
symboy 6 months ago
YOU CAN SEE THE BULLET HOLE IN THE WINDSHIELD. THERE WERE SEVERAL WITNESSES WHO SAW IT.
EVERYONE GOOGLE "FAMILIAR FACES IN DEALEY PLAZA" AND SEE CIA AGENTS AND BAY OF PIGS VETERENS STANDING IN DEALEY PLAZA AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING.
themeaningoflife38 6 months ago
@uranorexic Same goes for you, just because you post LIES on every JFK video on the internet doesnt make them true.
themeaningoflife38 6 months ago
@uranorexic What subsequent studies demonstrated the acoustic evidence was not bogus? Who conducted the studies? When were they done?
The HSCA report made a superficial link of Oswald to the Mob via LHO's uncle and his affiliation with Carlos Marcello. That can hardly be called an extensive link. A number of people in the upper echelon of the Mob have become informants and to this day nobody has ever "spilled the beans" about a connection with the assassination.
autoad 6 months ago
@uranorexic NOBODY BELIEVES A DAMN WORD YOU SAY! LIAR
themeaningoflife38 6 months ago
@uranorexic from behind the fence MORON. Nobody gives a fuck what you think anyway MORON!!!!
themeaningoflife38 6 months ago
It's so obvious that this man has been coached. Body language gives him away. Fucking liar. This man is now burning in a hell of his own making. A hell for traitors.
Daddyo930 6 months ago
Bull Shit!!
dougal90a 7 months ago
Altgens was ideally placed to take more photos as the car passed him -after the second and third shots. If so, he could have captured something important as he would have been looking right into the car. He blew it. He only took photos as the car approached and only after the third shot-as Hill climbed on.
MALCBAGGIE 7 months ago
aitgengs photographs are fake
SuperBandstand 8 months ago
"it caused him to bolt fowards" its plain for all to see from the video his body went backwards, 1:25 reasurance rub of the neck coz he's lying through his teeth, police ran up the knoll because that is where the final shot came from, the police probably did corner the gunman and when they found out he was of higher power had no power to do anything even the cameraman said the shot came from behind him,
chors2341 9 months ago
So...he's flabbergasted that 100 people went running up the grassy knoll, to the fence? If 100 people went running up to the fence, then why is he SO SURE that the all the shots came from behind? Did he see the gunman? No. But yet, he's POSITIVE that it was one gunman, from behind...Yeah, okay, this guy is clearly terrified to speak out of line. He doesn't want to be a victim of the old single car wreck, or 24 hour cancer, if you get my drift.
LongLiveOx 9 months ago 11
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mkii1964 5 months ago
@LongLiveOx
....were you there, NO!!!! ....maybe he's SO SURE is because he was standing RIGHT THERE?? Yes, I work for the CIA too....
mkii1964 5 months ago
@mkii1964 - All the people who went running up to the fence were standing RIGHT THERE, as well. So...in your convoluted brain, Altgens is the one that is correct, and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong? Haha, yeah...you're a disinfo troll.
LongLiveOx 5 months ago 6
@LongLiveOx His own photo refutes what he is saying. It shows JFK grabbing his throat way before the Z film shows it, proving the Z film is a fraud. The Dallas doctors all said throat wound was an entry wound.
Google Altgens photo and compare what you see to the Z film.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 No it doesn't!
If the wound in the throat is the point of entry how could the fibers of his shirt and tie be protruding away from his body?
Where specifically was the gunman firing from?
What was the weapon used?
What was the caliber of bullet fired?
Where did the bullet exit?
What happened to the exiting bullet?
Do you have any physical, medical, forensic or ballistic evidence to support the neck wound as the entry point?
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
@LoneNutter1 The throat wound was was not determined at the autopsy to be a bullet wound. No good scientific reason to believe the throat would was caused by a bullet or bullet fragment. It's possible that when the skull fragmented, a small piece broke through caused the injury.
TrueNovice 1 month ago
@LongLiveOx None of the people who ran to the fence saw someone with a gun. Nobody in Dealey Plaza saw anyone with a gun on the knoll, nor was anyone seen leaving the knoll with a rifle, nor was a weapon found anywhere near the knoll, nor was there evidence shots were fired from there. But there are witnesses who saw a man on the 6th floor of the TSBD holding a rifle and firing it at the motorcade. Most reasonable people would not run towards someone with a rifle who had just been shooting.
LoneNutter1 1 month ago
this guy is full of shit!
kreno11234 10 months ago 2
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Dr. LOQUVAM. I don't think this belongs in the damn record.
Dr. HUMES. Well, it probably doesn't.
Dr. LOQUVAM. You guys are nuts. You guys are nuts writing this stuff. It
doesn't belong in that damn record.
Dr. BADEN. I think the only purpose of its being in the record is to explain to
Dr. Humes what --
Dr. LOQUVAM. Why not turn off the record and explain to him and then go back
and talk again.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
After the unidentified security people ordered him off the overpass. Altgen testified I was looking back up here at the triple overpass and I remarked to the sergeant, I said, "Look at all those people up there on the triple overpass." I would estimate about a dozen were up there." I wonder why they don't ask him about this in this documentary?
TrueNovice 11 months ago
ALTGENS. ,I arrived on the triple overpass there was no one up there but two uniformed policemen and one of the uniformed policemen came over to me and asked me if I was a railroad employee and I told him, "No," and I showed him my press tag and told him I had a Department of Public Safety ID card showing I was connected with the AP. He said, "Well, I'm sorry, but this is private property. It belongs to the railroad and only railroad employees are permitted on this property."
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@26marbay First, it's Zapruder, not Zabruder. All 9 forensic pathologists for the HSCA said there is no medical evidence JFK was shot form the front or side. All shots that struck him came from above and behind. He was struck twice; once in the back and once to the back of the head. If you have a problem with their findings, tell them, not me. Contact Dr. Michael Baden who lead the team of pathologists for the HSCA and tell him the report is wrong. I'm sure he'll be glad to hear form you.
autoad 11 months ago
@autoad Actually, the forensic panel in 1978 discussed exhuming President Kennedy's body because the discrepancy between the exigant photos and the autopsy report were so severe. As for Dr. Baden is he at OJ Simpson address still, if you want to contact him, be sure and be able to pay his hefty fee, and then he will say anything you want him to.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice Your posting is a wonderful example of how the believers of conspiracy treat people who don't say the things you'd like them to say. You accuse Baden of being a mouthpiece for anyone as long as they have the money. I don't know Dr. Baden personally. But his reputation for being fair and impartial are well known. I think it's safe to say that you don't know him either which makes your diminishing comments of him even more disturbing. This is one of the many reasons the CT'ers have
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1
September 16, 1977 HSCA's Forensic Pathology Panel private meeting
Mr. LOQUVAM. Gentlemen, may I say something?
Dr. DAVIS. Yes.
Dr. LOQUVAM. I don't think this discussion belongs in this record.
Dr. PETTY. All right.
Dr. HUMES. I agree.
Dr. LOQUVAM. We have no business recording this. This is for us to decide
between ourselves; I don't think this belongs in this record.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice
What were they discussing specifically that caused them to say it shouldn't be in the record?
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 There is a FOUR INCH DISCREPANCY between the entrance wound on JFK's head as depicted in the alleged autopsy photo and as it is described in the 1963 autopsy report. The new and improved version places it at the top of the head while the autopsy report places it 4 inches lower. Here the autopsy Dr. Hume is arguing w them that there wound of entrance is actually a clot of blood, but since the trajectory is wrong, the wound will have to be moved up to make the "facts" fit.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice
I checked the transcript.
Your posting of the transcript and the "specific" discussion was misleading, distorted and insinuates something nefarious was under way.
The specific discussion that caused Dr. Loquvan to not have the discussion entered into the record was regarding Dr. Humes having not seen the enlarged photos prior to the session. There was a great deal of theorizing going on amongst the other physicians. This hearing was not the time or place for the "theorizing".
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@TrueNovice Why am I not surprised that you would intentionally distort the discussion among the physicians in order to "prove" your point?
Your "conspiratorial" behavior is irresponsible and demonstrates the necessity for us not to trust the CT'ers because you people have a long standing history of pulling stunts like this.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 If you read the transcript and don't get that the argument is about a FOUR INCH DISCREPANCY between the entrance wound on JFK's head as depicted in the alleged autopsy photo and as it is described in the 1963 autopsy report, you must be completely illiterate, or you have some kind of agenda. They even mentioned in the report that controversy actually forced them to consider exhuming Kennedy's body in 1978. If this discrepancy occurred at Oswald's trial, they would have had to.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice You misrepresented the specifics of the exchange in the transcript. You made it appear the overall discussion on the wound discrepancy was going to be excluded from the record. It wasn't. It was on a different matter entirely.
This is a favorite trick of the conspiracy cultists who misrepresent images, statements and quotes by leaving out essential information. Mark Lane is famous for pulling stunts like this. It's designed to gin up negative sentiments among the uninformed.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I gave an accurate account of what they are talking about,but there are probably too few who will actually read the full transcript. We have numerous allegations that you are the same guy using different screen names, you have not responded to that. Is it true. I am not part of any conspiracy cabal playing tricks on the public, that seems to be your role.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice You tried to feed me baloney and you got caught.
Be a man and take your lumps.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I quoted the transcript verbatim and explained exactly what was being discussed. Baloney probably not the worst thing you put in your mouth.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice There you go again in typical conspiracy cultist fashion. Personal insults and vile language emerge when one of them is exposed for the fraud they perpetuate.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I think you imagine things. There is no planned "conspiracy cultist" working against you. The only reason you seem paranoid is because everyone is against you.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice No conjured theories here. I just call 'em as I see 'em. And when someone tries to pull a fast one the way you tried, I'm going to speak up.
I really don't care if I'm all alone in exposing frauds and snake-oil hucksters.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Tell it to your imaginary friends, you exposed nothing. You are a fraud yourself, How do you account for the 4 INCH DISCREPANCY of the wound location on JFK's head as described in the autopsy report and now supposedly shown in the alleged autopsy photos. The new and improved location that the autopsy doctors disputed in their private testimony, which was never supposed to be made public?
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice I don't have to tell anybody anything. Your fraudulent posting speaks volumes and your continued protestations, even after being caught telling a big lie, further reveals yourself as a merchant of misinformation.
Some things speak for themselves.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I didn't post anything fraudulent. I quoted the transcript verbatim and properly explained it's context. You tried to mislead that they were talking about photo blowups, The blowups were shown to Dr. Hume in the hope that he would change his testimony. But it did not work. You are the fraudster who claims s/he was once a a conspiracy believer and then you read a book, American Grotesque, published in 1970 and this changed your mind.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice Your posting was 100% misleading. Go back and look at it.
What was the intent of posting an excerpt of the testimony other than to create an impression the HSAC was going to engage in something underhanded by not having information read into the record?
This is typical of the CT'ers for the past 50 years! You got caught and you're not accustomed to it!
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 That's not the impression I created, it's what actually happened. The HSCA brushed over the massive 4 inch discrepancy, concealed the transcript of this tape and actually destroyed the tape on which it was based. You didn't understand that?
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice What I understand is that I have to read the transcript for myself. Your misleading posting eroded your credibility.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1
Dr. LOQUVAM. I don't think this belongs in the damn record.
Dr. HUMES. Well, it probably doesn't.
Dr. LOQUVAM. You guys are nuts. You guys are nuts writing this stuff. It
doesn't belong in that damn record.
Dr. BADEN. I think the only purpose of its being in the record is to explain to
Dr. Humes what --
Dr. LOQUVAM. Why not turn off the record and explain to him and then go back
and talk again.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice
I'll read the transcript for myself thank you.
I don't need your assistance.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I thought you already read it. It's not being posted for you.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice Well, you sent it to me!
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 On a public forum
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice No. You sent another selected excerpt to me in the form of a reply.
If you want to send a message to the forum you don't need to address it to a specific person.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 In fact the doctors transcript was not released until well after the official HSCA report and the tape recording of the conversations from which it was transcribed was destroyed. So very little attention was payed to the 4 inch discrepancy on the wound location on JFK's head. Certainly none of the pseudo documentaries by Jennings and the cable channels never mention it.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice Your credibility is shot and you did it to yourself. Clear thinking people will dismiss your comments and for the reason you deceived them with your half-truth posting and deceptions.
You Conspiracy cultists have become accustomed to not hearing a dissenting voice that exposes your fabrications and deceit.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@TrueNovice lonenutter1 is the asshole, Thomas Lowery. His favorite screen name is cccdraftsman, and he has many others. Lowery will always lie & defend the conspirators. This shithead is in almost all of the Kennedy youtube rooms; 24-7.
jacobji5 11 months ago
@jacobji5 He's the same guy. He uses different names because he wants people to think there are more people who think like him? He is kind of like Oswald with the fair Play for Cuba Committee, he used talk about we and and us when referring to what seems to be a one man operation.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice You got it. Lowery is talking shit like the CIA assholes want. Same as Oswald was told to do for them. Too bad Oswald didn't get that he was the set-up patsy by his own organization of criminals until it was too late.
jacobji5 11 months ago
@jacobji5 Here you go again spreading more misinformation. I go by one name"Lonenutter1" I am not cccdreftsman or Thomas Lowery or anybody else.
You're making the attacks personal now because I'm wasn't going to succumb to your antics. You got caught in the CT'ers favorite technique; misinformation, misdirection and deception.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I never said you were Cd and it's understandable why you would not want people to think you were him.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice a poor reputation for being objective. You consistently refuse to evaluate facts and evidence impartially. When someone says something you don't agree with, you accuse them of accepting bribes, taking payoffs. You marginalize them along with their opinion.
This is one of the many reasons people don't take you seriously.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I merely pointed out that Dr. Baden was OJ's trial defense doctor. That he advertises his skills to the highest bidder in attorney publications. As pertinent to the JFK case, he instructed Ida Dox the medical illustrator to alter the drawings of the photographs to show the entry wound 4 inches higher than depicted in the autopsy report. In the actual photo, it does look like a clot of blood as Dr. Hume, 1 of the autopsy docs described it in his testimony.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@TrueNovice Where did you get this information from?
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Dr. Baden testified for OJ. I guess you missed it? The exchange on the Ida Dox drawing of the back of Kennedys head was released in the 1990's under the assassination review board. The HSCA medical panel discussion on the discrepancy (4 inches) in the location of the head wound, was transcribed in the HSCA hearings and exhibits.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
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@autoad Actually, the forensic panel in 1978 discussed exhuming President Kennedy's body because the discrepancy between the exigant photos and the autopsy report were so severe. As for Dr. Baden is he at OJ Simpson address still, if you want to contact him, be sure and be able to pay his hefty fee, and then he will say anything you want him to.
TrueNovice 11 months ago
@autoad
You're WRONG ! HSCA said there was a 'high probability that at least two gunmen fired at President Kennedy'
and that JFK was' probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy' !
It looks like when you ACTUALLY READ the results of the HSCA, it turns out that THEY are Conspiracy Theorists' too !
Please stop trying to use the HSCA's conclusions to support the Warren Commission,
(it only makes you look ill informed)
AsDeadAsDillinger 9 months ago
@AsDeadAsDillinger No. You're wrong.
I was speaking about the medical evidence and the report issued by the team of pathologists. I was not addressing the final report of the HSCA.
The HSCA was using the acoustic evidence when they made their conclusion about the probability of a conspiracy. Since then, the acoustic evidence was reviewed by the National Academy of Sciences and they said there were no recordings of any shots on the Dallas police dictabelt. They said the recording, made by a
autoad 9 months ago
@AsDeadAsDillinger "stuck on open" microphone on a police motorcycle, was actually recorded a few miles away from Dealey Plaza and 90 seconds after the shooting. The HSCA scientists said the recording was made from HB McClain's motorcycle. They said the acoustic "fingerprint" was a match if McClain's motorcycle was turning off Houston St onto Elm at the time of the shooting. By matching up the film shot in Dealey Plaza it has been shown with 100% certainty McClain was turning off Main St.
autoad 9 months ago
@AsDeadAsDillinger onto Elm, 170 feet away from where he was assumed to be. The acoustic evidence is therefore invalid.
I would suggest you read the messages of other carefully before you reply. It will likely cause less embarrassment for yourself.
The HSCA did not overturn the finding of the Warren Commission. In fact, they supported their conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the bullets that killed the president.
I'm surprised you didn't know about the problems with the acoustics.
autoad 9 months ago
@autoad
Yeah, I know the 'acoustic evidence' has been pretty much shredded.
But the fact that they both agreed that LHO was involved was about the only thing they COULD concur on.
The number of shots, the number of shooters, conspiracy or not, are just a few of the things that they couldn't agree on.
I find myself agrreing with CIA agents Wilcott, and Preyer.in the
HSCA EXECUTIVE SESSION for WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978.
Do you concur with their beliefs ?
AsDeadAsDillinger 9 months ago
@autoad
As a 'Conspiracy Sceptic' maybe you can help me out. Does the Warren Commission executive session on January 27, 1964 say that LHO was informant 'S179' for the FBI or not ?
I'd like a definitive answer from the 'LHO was not an FBI asset ' side of the argument.
And who does CIA agent payroll number 110669 refer to ? (see the HSCA testimony of CIA accounant Wilcot and Preyer for a clue)
Inquiring minds want to know !
AsDeadAsDillinger 9 months ago
@AsDeadAsDillinger Wow! You changed the topic quickly!
Again, you assume incorrectly. When did I state LHO wasn't an FBI asset?
But just for fun let's assume for the sake of argument that LHO was an informant for the FBI and the CIA.
What is it evidence of?
What does it prove?
What conclusion can one make from this information?
autoad 9 months ago
@autoad
Do you think that those facts alone would support a conclusion ?
But let's roll thie dice and see.
So let's assume that LHO 'was' working for the FBI & CIA when he 'apparently' assassinated the President , So that would be an example of a working democracy in action for you is it ?
2 Govt agencies conspiring in the assassination of their Chief Executive?
I hope that wasn';t the case,
but with a faggot like Hoover, in charge (and a paranoid like Angleton) who can tell ?
AsDeadAsDillinger 9 months ago
@AsDeadAsDillinger autoad is a CIA shill boy. same as cdddraftsman, kooktartsbigfarts, littlevinnycock, jgarfbihoover. The real name behind most of these screen names is Thomas Lowery. Autoad is probably another screen name from this asshole.
jacobji5 9 months ago 3
@jacobji5 Do you sit around all day trying to figure out if people are assuming different identities?
I think the only person who would do that is someone assuming different identities.
Sorry to disappoint you but I have one identity.
Besides..why are you so concerned? After all the conspiracy theorists have a wealth of evidence to support their twenty/twenty five different theories. Well..that's what you've been claiming for nearly 50 years. We sure do hope you decide soon to share it soon.
autoad 9 months ago
@jacobji5 Well it should make someone think about people who post harassing comments to people with honest questions and what sort of axe they have to grind.
wunderdoggy 6 days ago
I'm amazed how lopsided the debate on the assassination is. By the looks of it those that believe Oswald did it are fools, idiots, stupid, shills, deceivers, liars, jerks, lame-brained, cover-up artists and schemers. And those that believe in one of the dozen or so different conspiracy theories are intelligent, brave, noble, wise, champions of truth, honest and made of the finest moral fabric.
But the theorists have no evidence, no proof, no nothing after nearly 50 years.
...and we wait...
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
When asked about another assassin, he starts to grin, he is lying...
shahrdar 11 months ago
you can tell he's lying because his lips are moving.The only reason JFK might have leaned forwards was when Greer SLAMMED ON THE BRAKES IN THE KILLING ZONE!!!
nicenonya3 1 year ago
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nicenonya3 1 year ago
what was this guy smoking? He must be in on the BIG LIE!!
nicenonya3 1 year ago
a classic disinfo agent.
quarkmuffin37 1 year ago
we know this is a lie...JFK's head goes back NOT forward!!!
he said the ONE thing that seemed a little strange is that they run up to the grass? did you know EYE WITNESSES point to the grass area!!! and years later we see the film showing his head going back.....this is meant to make you believe he was shot from behind....did you know two secret service agents are suppost to stand on the bumper of jfks car...but they werent there to protect his back that day...why were they called off?
HiddenPr0phet 1 year ago
This guy gets to live, in return for this.
hanksnow2 1 year ago 2
this man's description of the fatal shot contradicts what the Zapruder film shows: JFK lurched BACKWARD not forward. He can't even say it with a straight face.
U2bvUR2 1 year ago
He turned into a CIA shill boy. At no time did he describe what we saw on a video. JFK's head & body went backwards. Altgens never said that. He saw whatever the CIA threatened him to see.
jacobji5 1 year ago 19
@jacobji5 What a silly comment. Do you have any evidence of the CIA pressuring Altgens into making a false statement?
No, you don't.
Only in the land of conspiracy can you accuse someone of malfeasance without any supporting evidence.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@jacobji5
The CIA threatened Altgens?
Are you guessing this is what happened or do you have any evidence he was threatened?
autoad 9 months ago
you can see the bullet hole in the windshield in his photo.JFK was hit in the FRONT of his throat and the right temple from the FRONT.
themeaningoflife38 1 year ago 11
@themeaningoflife38 where is exactly the bullet hole in JFK limo windscreen
optionsupdate 1 year ago
@optionsupdate just below the mirror.You can see it more clearly in the photo,it's not as clear in the video.
themeaningoflife38 1 year ago
Complete Idiot....he is responsible for a "great" photograph and believes everything that the WC/FBI gives him. People who don't believe in a conspiracy in the JFK case are just sheep being lead to the slaughter. 99.5% of all people cannot believe with all the evidence 40+ years later that this was LHO at all.
jfknutt 1 year ago
@jfknutt Uhm, you have had almost 50 years to PROVE a conspiracy, yet you got nothing!
ahidel 1 year ago
@ahidel ithink frames 313 and 314 says it all.
/watch?v=tUMnHArdY_4
too see Jackie O. getting in on the action.
vengencefrom1979 1 year ago
@ahidel Yes, near 50 yrs.!! Just shows you, when it comes from the top, a thousand & 50 yrs. will not be enough.
The only way to get the truth, is to have a revolution, hang the oppressors, as they did Saddam, & open up the books!
Not only would we know who killed JFK, RFK, MLK, & many, many more, but we could also start a REAL DEMOCRACY, & see to it that ALL humans are important & not just the Billionaires & Trillionaires, that enslave us, & lead us to believe we are FREE. a GIANT TASK!!!
hanksnow2 1 year ago 5
@hanksnow2 ok, you start it.. or would you prefer others do the dirty work? and who would you hang first? your anti-fascist suggestion comes across as well.. a tad odious
reefergladness 1 year ago
This is the truth. This man knows the truth.
ahidel 1 year ago
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kennedy147 1 year ago
Professional liar. He's such a shill in the way he talks and what he says.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago
not hard to tell what he is saying is scripted
filmdude2009 1 year ago
@filmdude2009
By implication you mean that Altgens, the interviewer and technicians behind the camera in the studio, the researcher who produced this television program and the executives and other people responsible for the program going on air were all part of a conspiracy? Do you mean Altgens was threatened? By whom? Why didn't the guys employed to threaten Altgens never come out with the story? This is a conspiracy too vast to be credible.
You are a paranoid loon.
VoiceOfTheMan 1 year ago 2
@VoiceOfTheMan - Everyone got on board with the coverup story because they were ordered to or threatened with either loss of their employment or their lives. In addition, they were told they were doing a patriotic duty to humankind and their nation in order to prevent a Soviet/Cuba conspiracy from being discovered and leading to US retaliation and resultant escalation to WWIII which would have killed 50 millian Americans & 100 millian Soviets - initially. Nuclear winter would finish the rest.
dbmyers2 1 year ago
the throat shot came over the windshield.. two seconds later, connoly's armpit wound came thru the windshield (obviously intended for JFK)
reefergladness 1 year ago
@reefergladness OVER the windshield ?? from where? the only place that could do that would would be from the top of the underpass - and there were bystanders on there so that's impossible. The neck shot entered the top of JFKs back and came out of his neck. Search 'Bob Harris' on here. He proved that because of the angle the shot had to come from the Daltex building
funkmasterjee 1 year ago
No assasin would attempt a shot through a windshield. It's ludicrous. The effect on the bullet is unpredictable - especialy through a sloping windshield. The perfect opportunity is where the car is simply moving away and there is little or no lateral movement (along Elm street from the Daltex and probably with a silencer so that attention is not diverted from the book depository)
funkmasterjee 1 year ago
@funkmasterjee
The bullet that struck Kennedy in the back of the neck, exited his throat and wounded Connally in the back, chest, arm and leg was matched to Oswald's rifle. The fragments of a bullet found inside the limousine which most likely responsible for the fatal head wound were also matched to Oswald's rifle.
There were no other bullets, spent shells or rifles found and all the wounds to JFK and Connally could be accounted for by two out of three shots that were fired.
VoiceOfTheMan 1 year ago
@VoiceOfTheMan - You sure are the voice of the man. Than man was LBJ. We and J Edgar Hoover developed the whole cover story, then demand that the Warren Commission parrot them. Arlen Spector tried, unsuccessfully to save the story with is inane "magic bullet" theory when proof of a bullet miss (hitting a curb and injuring a witness) desturbed the three (and three only shots) story. So suddenly they had to explain three sets of wounds with two bullets. Pathetic that some still believe it.
dbmyers2 1 year ago 5
@funkmasterjee probably from the southern-most pylon of said underpass.. true, it's not ideal to fire thru a windshield - but this was plan b after no head shots were registered in first volley of shots (throat, back, miss) - .. hence the kill zone efforts.. if kennedy suffered a bullet from behind that exited directly at his adam's apple - he would've been instantly paralyzed from the entrance wound (thru spinal column)
reefergladness 1 year ago
@funkmasterjee - Not according to all of the Parkland hospital doctors, nurses and other witnesses who described the throat wound as an entrance wound and no matter how many times you say differently, you can't change what they saw - so give it up!
dbmyers2 1 year ago 2
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you really cant say oswald was the lone shooter, but however if you look up James Files on youtube he claims he was the one who shot the president , but personally I dont think oswald shot no one !!!!!!!!!
mikewbatman 1 year ago