China's Most Honourable City (Ancient Xi'an) - part 3-5

[tokyomilmil]

I see how it pleases some narrow-minded people to blame Manchus for every faults that have been done to China, so they can continue to live in the illusions of being a victim to escape the pain of tragic past.

I think if one really cares about the development of China, he should stop obsessing with irrelevant blame-assigning of the past, but focus more about how to make the future of China brighter.

[stephentsang2000]

The museum is so ugly. Modern architects in nowadays China are either copycats or retards.

[tokyomilmil]

@stephentsang2000

Comma~~It's still under construction, of course it wouldn't be beautiful. You shouldn't comment in such course language until you see the final result!

[JZSNtelpy]

明朝后面的十几个皇帝全都是亡国之君，只不过仗着前面打基础好。

明朝延续了所有封建最落后的制度来方便皇帝一人独裁，罢黜了丞相­，6部所有事情都要过问皇帝

满洲人入关为了让汉族知识分子承认他们，继承了基本所有汉族的文­化及前明的落后制度，包括：闭关锁国，四书

五经的洗脑教育。

明朝本可以先进汉文化，却抹杀所有资本主义，科学萌芽，灭元朝后­复兴2000年的落后制度，让汉文化永远被甩在

西方世界后面。清朝建立，一个少数民族是不可能改变汉族根深蒂固­的落后政策。

只有下面这位傲慢 IwantaYBaccount ，无知的垃圾才会颠倒黑白，把自己的愚蠢加注到别人身上。

[IwantaYBaccount]

就你掩耳盗铃样也学人辩论。除了叫几句口号，你倒是正面的反驳我­举的例子啊？别像个女孩子给我耍赖皮，说我不对。但我不对在哪了­？我中学时空闲的时候读的都是明史，特别是明朝期间的县志，大学­空闲时读的是荷兰传教士在明国传教时的传记。明朝纵然不完美，纵­然腐败，但在那时欧洲人眼里好歹还是个富足，干净的文明社会。看­看你所谓康乾红薯盛世时英国人对中国社会及广泛贫困百姓乞丐般肮­脏的描写。你能告诉我天杀的为什么不到100年的时间里中国里毁­灭成那样？有点历史常识再来说明朝抹杀资本主义。明朝是公认的商­业税是最低朝代，手工业最发达的时代。还有等你看完阳明心学了，­在和我辩论明朝人的思想开放程度。阳明心学的启蒙思潮比欧洲人早­了百来年。阳明心学的泰州学派的进步性放今天的共产党控制下的中­国都是先进的。你们满洲人搞文字狱，编个破书，能删除千本古书。­别跟我说什么闭关锁国了，你们满洲人都把自己给骗傻了，这是你们­满洲人的专利。战争结束，万历年开始，皇帝就已经开海禁为了能通­过收商船税来补足财政支出。沿海地区海商早就自行出海了，郑芝龙­一次和日本贸易都能运回20万两白银。

[IwantaYBaccount]

是谁在颠倒黑白？是汉人的谁都知道这里谁是无耻的白痴。看看你们­自己那些可耻的满洲酋长的窝囊废某样吧。看看他们亲手给这国家做­出的恶事吧。保大清，不保中国。量中华之物力，结与国之欢心。读­读你那末代皇帝的个人传记吧。你有什么脸批评这些充其量不过贪玩­，恶作剧，不犯大错的明朝皇帝？本想跟你好好说话的，可己所不欲­，勿施于人的道理你们这些满洲人这400年学到哪了？你可以站在­你民族的立场睁眼说瞎话，就别怪我站在我的国家民族的立场反驳，­语言粗糙蹂躏你了。宋末为国殉难，我的先人于明初为明朝皇帝追封­为神，明没，为遗臣，举族避居马来西亚。我的先人又不是清国奴，­我又没心理负担。汉人的气节骄傲我的有的是。光复会我们家族出钱­出人该干的我们都干了。国仇报了，700年的承诺我们也做到了。­本来恩怨一切都可以一笔勾消的，可你们这些聪明反被聪明误的，纯­粹找抽的人没事学日本人的抵赖狡辩。这种情绪反弹，不是你们可以­扛的住的。好好想想吧。

[OnePeopleOneChina]

0:45 That's Dàmínggōng (大明宫)

[Shipuh]

Tang Dynasty has always fascinated me. -- This is a wonderful documentary!!

[adrianna5282]

Comparied with other dynasties , Qing dynasty really is the worst dynasty of China. It makes china a very backward country, The Manchu...

[JZSNtelpy]

@adrianna5282 actually this is really quite a superficial view of Qing Dynasty. The worst Dynasty which started the dramatic decline of China was Ming Dynasty. Closing all its trade ports, obsolete education system. 13 of 16 emperors were corrupt. If Ming Dynasty had switched places with Qing Dynasty, it certainly would have crumbled sooner and won't require a woman like Ci Xi to finish it off.

The Manchu didn't know anything, so they simply followed the backward Han culture created by Ming.

[papertiger7]

@JZSNtelpy "backward Han culture"? Han culture has been around since the start of Chinese civilization. The Ming Dynasty did not "create" Han culture.

[JZSNtelpy]

@papertiger7 The downfall of Han to Europe began and led by Ming Dynasty after Yongle emperor. Ming "created" the brainwashing educational system forcing the intellectuals to become blind subjects to the emperor while ignoring science and technology. Ming also quickly killed the early stages of capitalism in the South not mentioning 200 years of isolationism. This is the backward Han culture Qing Dynasty inherited from Ming Dynasty.

[IwantaYBaccount]

intellectuals can criticize the emperor, even calling emperor in bad names. it;s fashion. they were the free thought brains.with responsible cabnet ministers, constitutional monarchy was almost there. first science encyclopedia was published in Ming , but banned during manchu period. the officer during ming time officers start translating west geometry and other science textbooks.first world map published in China was from Ming, but manchus don't even know where was england during opium war.

[IwantaYBaccount]

manchu like to pour dirty water to ming. e.g. ming did ban sea trade only during war periods. but manchu can argue, ming start this sea trade ban. manchu barbarians' chief published an order, to force han civilian lived near coast region to move in 30km inward within 3days, or killed any one remain on those region. millions got killed, and towns, wealthy cities of coast all ruined by those stupid barbarians. i know you are manchu, stop pretending you are han! sick.

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount you are deadly wrong on intellectuals can criticize emperor. Ming dynasty created the world's first extensive spy agencies the Dong and Si Chang. Murdering and killing any suspicious officials and intellectuals. It was never close to constitutional monarch as such agencies existed and during Ming the Eunuchs reached the height of their power corrupting all branches of government. All emperors after Yongle were extremely conservative and weak. Thus they ban sea trade.

[IwantaYBaccount]

ever heard of Hai Rui? A muslim low rank civil servant, even that guy can criticize and call out bad name of emperor. some good hit of ass? just no punishment. Ming dynasty was bad compare to Song, still it was thousand year civilized than qing. nasty Manchu killed Han for writting history textbook, or writting poems. During Ming, civilian had the right to send letter to emperor to speak out social issues, but for manchus, even to 1900, the winner of imperial exam wouldn't this right.

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount And no matter how you spin the arguement, Qing Dynasty continued to practice all the old tradition of Ming in order to appease Han intellectuals and be accepted, only except clothing. By the time Manchu came to China. Capitalism was already killed off. Sea trade banned for centuries. The little pathetic glories you spoke of were nothing but memories thx to a bunch of worst emperors of all time during Ming dynasty.

[IwantaYBaccount]

@JZSNtelpy just shut up. Manchu fake everything. manchu didn't follow Ming tradition. Manchu don't even allow those imperial exam elites to speak out about social issues. manchu castrate classical confucianism, ban didacticism like neo-confucianism- Yang Ming XIN XUE. Manchu turn all intellecutals into cynicist. There was only slaves, but no humans during Qing period. it is aboriginal tribe slavery system, not even a feudalist society. so just shut up. sick manchus

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount lol little kid who can't ague intelligently is angry. Chinese Han culture completely absorbed Manchu and turned them into Chinese in no more 2 generations and Manchu later practiced Han culture mostly following Ming style. That's the truth. If it was Ming dynasty that was the last dynasty it would collapsed instantly instead of holding on for 80 more years. Eunuchs in power, Dong/Xi Chang, shitty emperors, isolationism, Ming set the disaster for China forever in stone.

[IwantaYBaccount]

just enough with your gay crappy like manchu emperor lies. you ppl made your manchu chefs look like the smartest ass in this planet. was it real?when you ppl even lies about those guys' height, and facial appearance, don;t even say other things. You might think kangxi or qiang log as tall handsome guy, but the reality is that both them were as tall as elfs. 148cm, 164cm.kangxi, that guy;s face was covered by smallpox scars.

[IwantaYBaccount]

lazy Ming emperors got prime ministers. the cabnet were running the country. Ming emperor never kneel down and begging for peace. Ming emperor chose to commit suicide. let's see your "smart ass"manchu emperors..the greatest smallpox scarface kangxi, cut huge landmass to russia, smart ass xiangfeng escaped the capital left palace to anglos to burn down, chixi moron decalre war to the whole western world,puyi surrendered to Japan, and had his wife fucked and pregnated by japanese soldier.

[IwantaYBaccount]

how many surrender treaties you nasty manchus chefs had signed? How large land mass had manchus cut and transfered to russia, japan, england? how many war compensation have you paid the west?still dare to criticize the Ming dynasty? just stop those gay pigtail drama fantacy, and learn some real history. Fine with you ppl, as long as you don;t get my nerve. if Han want to kill you, your forefathers would be dead corpse even in my great grandpa;s era,

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount rofl emo kid living self-denial rofl.

More false and lie from you. First emperor of Ming dynasty Zhu Yuanzhang was the first ever to abolish the post of prime minister to consolidate more supreme power to himself, care to explain??

Last time i check the smart faced KangXi took Entire mongolia as China and took back taiwan which the Ming didn't even bother.

And all the tragedy of China for the past 100 years is inherited and started off by Ming dynasty, by morons like you.

[IwantaYBaccount]

do some research about Ming empire's cabnet ministers system with votes?How many Han human resources had that scar face wasted? Ming empire had very low tax rate. They were not allowed to waste tax payers' money. if they ever dare, letters from officers around the country would scold the ass out of him.Ming emperor's right was totally constrained by nobles and ministers.ps: mogolia means nothing to Han, though Zhu yuan zhang era, Ming already conqured it. ps: Taiwan was seized by Ming general

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount low tax rates?? stop kid urself and others, year by year the last 10 emperors are preoccupied with farmers rebellions everywhere due to high tax. Yeah keep up the lies.

[IwantaYBaccount]

ming tax rate is 1 out of 30. Ming emperor during that time raised the tax because manchu animals massacred millions of Han civilians in Liao Dong . The tax raise was for national defense. it is not like manchu barbarian's chef who use the tax, the military buget to build park for self luxuary spending. Ps: just stop your stupid cheeky. the tax raise was only focus on southern of Ming empire. the peason rebels was in northwest of Ming empire which suffered from little ice age caused droughts.

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount

东南亚华人大多都是明朝南方后裔，就是为了躲避明朝腐败以及强行­禁海闭关锁国的统治。西方殖民占着台湾一个世纪，你堂堂明朝消极­到就是放着不管直到最后郑成功自发的代表一个名存实亡明朝来收复­台湾。

满族人建立清朝为了巩固统治当然故不上其他反面的发展，继续沿用­明朝的落后统治方法，所有你说的好东西都已

被人遗忘并经葬送在明朝手里了，你能怪清朝么？汉族文化一直支配­着外来统治着，满族入关前，大汗还是选出来的，学了汉族文化就成­了绝对世袭立长制，中国之所以落后，封建被推翻，其实罪魁祸首就­是皇帝本身，但明朝错过并断送了汉人自己的前程。

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount 你继续吹捧明朝那点个人成就，明朝人的思想开放？？？，明朝知识­分子继承宋朝朱熹的程朱理学，而且变相歪曲程朱理学的真正含义以­方便皇帝的绝对集权，基本葬送了中国封建社会后期明清两代的文化­发展。

你说的什么思想开放，手工业发达都是山高皇帝远的个人和地方发展­，而且商人照样在明朝统治着和知识份子眼里

没有任何地位，几代人之后得不到政府和社会的支持反而遭到打压，­资本主义萌芽生也死在明朝，

而且明朝自从永乐以后，短短一两个皇帝就把贞观之治都耗尽，之后­葬送在几百年不断的农民起义镇压中，明朝最

可耻的就是明明可以让中国仍然成为世界最发达的国家，却成为众所­周知的中国封建的衰败起点。

[5000yrcivilization]

@IwantaYBaccount

I have to agree with the other guy. One thing separates the Mongolian Yuan dynasty from Manchu Qing Dynasty from is the later focused on adapting Han culture and run on Han system to rule for 300 years. And Ming dynasty left a terrible model for Manchus to copy from. Chances for Enlightenment and Capitalism all emerged in Ming dynasty yet did not flourish. These were opportunities you won't get again in a closed society as China was once they were gone.

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount Patiently waiting for more lies and the old blame game from the lowest of the low like you.

[JZSNtelpy]

@JZSNtelpy ROFL and Ming emperors who wanted to be a carpenter, emperor who think himself as a businessman, emperor who wanted to be a meat carver LOL, A dozen emperors who had to brutally suppress his own Han people of rebellions, Emperors who instantly reverse all the good things down by Yongle. Your Ming emperors are just like you idiots and morons.

[IwantaYBaccount]

@JZSNtelpy lies? lol why can't you google my words around? I got those facts from your manchu selected to delete, survived text records.just blame your forefathers who not burn all the books. waste of time to talk with a manchu. just watch your pigtail gay dramma then. as long as you don't twist, glorify your stupid manchu chefs.ps: even Ming emperors were bad, they were still much better than manchu chefs. You should worship and read your manchu chef;s PUYI's autography. lol

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount Han culture was in charge of their own destiny all along. You should be ashamed of urself.

[IwantaYBaccount]

it;s my people who have the purest Han blood line, who still speak Han language, who still play Han and tang palace music, practice traditional Han values. It is my people who fought against the Mogols, the manchus to the last. It is my ppl who fleed to south asia fought back and won the independence of China from manchus. I feel proud of my Han culture. I am offended because you were trying replaceyour nasty mandrin culture as Han culture. mandarin is mandarin, Han is Han

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount I doubt all 13 emperors after Yongle know where England was either. Sure science and capitalism sparked in China during Ming but that's why it makes Ming the worst dynasty of all was because Ming killed it all off. The Mongols during Yuan dynasty eliminated Imperial examination and as soong as Ming was established, Ming brought back the same outdated education system that was in place for thousand of years no change whatsoever. Learn some real history kiddo.

[IwantaYBaccount]

don't even want to debate with an manchu. you can argue, even you uncousciously know you are wrong. world map of Great Ming's大明混一图 published in 1342 draw out the shape of europe and africa.world map of Great Ming's 大明坤宇全图published in 1632 drawed out the North america, fine details of european countries was already there. Ps: Ming imperial exam only ask ppl to follow the style of writting essay, to avoid hitting the bush, differ from manchu's stupid dogmatism, with full paper of empty words

[IwantaYBaccount]

@JZSNtelpy ps: essay writting is the best way of examing ppl. that is why countries of modern world still use it to select civil servants.read some more books, manchu guy.

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount And you bring up the pointless topic of war devastation that has happened during every formation of a new Dynasty. From Three Kingdoms to South North Dynasty to Five Dynasty and 10 Kingdoms millions and millions died fighting between Han themselves and economies ruined so what.

[IwantaYBaccount]

@JZSNtelpy just shut up. the manchu already conquer the whole country. ppl already was forced to wear ugly manchu pig tail and clothes. when the freakles covered manchu chief can't dealt remaining Ming army in taiwan islands, he burned his own navy ships, burn towns and killed subjects of his own just want to starve the resistance forces over sea. ps: when my great grand pa's fellows came back from malasia and win the independence of our provicne, I didn't see they massacre manchus. sick manchus

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount No you shut up. You only done good job pointing out the little accomplishments done by certain individuals during Ming Dynasty and nothing as a whole by the Ming government or its emperors after Yongle. After Ming dynasty was gone, peasants dragged out Wan Li emperor's body and beat it to dirt, the Dynasty itself was overthrown by Han uprising not by Manchus, care to explain?? You are a idiot for blaming the fate of China on a 1% minority while clearly 99% was at fault.

[IwantaYBaccount]

@JZSNtelpy why it is so hard for you stupid manchu to face the truth? as if ppl were all deaf stupid,illiterate as you ppl tiny population Mongols ruined the most advanced Song civilizations. Tiny flu virus can kill millions. you manchu lived like parasites. you ppl consumed Han's resources, sucking Han's blood. to colonize, rather than developing China. In order to maintain your colonization, your fucking Chixi dare say prefer to grant Han's resource to west than back to Han. so SHUT UP

[IwantaYBaccount]

Ming's downfall was due to the little ice age occured from 1580-to 1644. Little Ice Age led to dramatic drop of temperature. After 7 years of trying, droughts and Crop failures, cause the widespread peasant rebel.manchu's so called kangqian blossom period was merely due to sweet potatoes,also the recover of agriclture coz of global temperature rise. ps: wangli's body was destroyed by communists in 70s. But manchu chefs' body was beat and toast like craps til only have pigtails remain by han

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount And stop being a racist toward Chinese minorities cause you disgust me. Learn some real history you garbage, booi and slavery are completely different system and Manchus didn't use that on Han people. Had Ming promoted capitalism and continued ocean exploration. Qing dynasty would have no problem following their footsteps as they learned everything else from Han culture. Qing not only had better overall emperors but also produced China's biggest border and largest population.

[IwantaYBaccount]

so let me believe in those fucking pig tail dramma broacast by communist TV? are you fucking out of your mind?? perfect prince, docile han servants, Cinderella sort of complex? inter-marriage between Han and Manchu was not even allowed till the end of Qing. get some common sense! if manchu were that kind of nice, you ppl wouldn;t be hated by mongols, Hans, muslims, koreans. fine with you ppl, as long as you ppl didn;t lie and argue like a moron. History belongs to everyone, everyone knows.

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount Revolutionaries hated the imperial system and used Manchu as the perfect excuse, yet the new Chinese republic quickly acknowledged Manchu also as Chinese. People who truly understood Chinese history knows Ming dynasty represended the downfall of China, both dynasties are equally to be blamed, especially Ming set the start, killed off everything and kept everything the old way for Manchus to follow. Only an arrogant fool like you who only ever knows how to BLAME THE OTHER GUY.

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount No where in this conservation i said Qing was nice, a hater like you is sure quick to jump the gun. Manchu adopted everything there was on how to run a country from Han Chinese the good and the bad. The bad being continuation of isolationism, the brainwashing imperial exam all of which put in place by the Ming Dynasty and Manchu being the 1% minority practiced these in order to be accepted by Han intellectuals. If Qing didn't exist, Ming would fare no better against the west.

[JZSNtelpy]

@IwantaYBaccount Creation of isolationism,purge of capitalism, closing trading ports to only Guanzhou, ignoring science, brainwashing education still focused on 2000 years old books, labeling merchants as second class to farmers, focusing only on agriculture, 300 years of Dong Xi Chang killing millions of own Han Chinese, A dynasty with most number of Han uprising of all time, Emperors who refuse to work for 20-30 years. Allowing Eunuchs to rule the country. Ignoring Taiwan until the very end,

[JZSNtelpy]

@papertiger7 And as a minority group, Qing emperors followed this backward Han society in order to gain their acceptance, thus making China even more backward compared to the West.

All am saying is, it's easy to always blame the last guy, but here Qing Dynasty should not shoulder the blame for what happened to China more than Ming Dynasty and what Han people did to themselves prior.

[papertiger7]

@JZSNtelpy Seems like you have something against "Han" culture judging from your comments. Nothing substantial to argue about really. Good day.

[JZSNtelpy]

@papertiger7 Hell yeah, am a full blood han chinese who lived in Beijing for 2 decades and I'm proud of the achievements of my country from Han to Song Dynasty as well as in the 21st century. But if not for Ming's mistakes, which changed the course of this country forever, we would still be a superpower. The previous guy before you blame all this on the QIng dynasty, and that's deadly wrong, which i pointed out. That's all.

[JZSNtelpy]

@papertiger7 Btw judging from ur comments u don't actually know much about China don't you? otherwise you would agree with my opinion.