Blatant Fakery in Most Haunted

[Madman2237]

Most haunted is so shit :L

[steveLIVERPOOL2389]

LOL the table stops moving as the crazy lady adjusts her seating postion! @ 0:20

[capio78]

I can't believe seemingly intelligent people believe in this shit, he should present it as an entertainment show and all is right with the world.

[Loujuju85]

if she pushed it continuously it would have been more convincing,she obviously forgets to do it when shes moving about

[eoinfffp]

fake show

[jigmesam]

lol, keep your fingers light, keep your fingers light.

[darkwingx1]

hahahahah

[jgoemat]

And I like how the table stops moving when she moves her body and forgets to move the table for a second (twice).

[rushedartist]

looks like they're all having sex with the table.

[sam91832]

yvette fielding is really shoving that table, you can tell because the table clothe is bunching near her hand when she pushes. If twats want to believe this is real then i wish them the best of luck.

[rand0mlyrand0m]

Ha ha ha as soon as they stand up it stops rocking then they divert the camera away from the table lmao

[Webbula]

Did you just hear that?

[snudge55]

lol "I saw sombebody standing right there."

[Bensafc93]

lol

[badub]

The only real shows are "Ghost Hunters" & "Paranormal State." Most Haunted should be on Comedy Central or something

[rorymorris1]

I have time for the supernatural and keep an open mind on stories of the paranormal . but this show really pisses me off because they are just a bunch of con artists taking us for fuckin idiots

[rfairbairn]

Strangely, thats why I liked it - at least when Derek was on it. It was humorous in its ridiculousness. Yvette's seriousness cum mad outbursts really made it funny - especially when she was opposite Acorah.

[thatfuckingtank]

I've been on two ghost hunts before in two supposedly haunted locations and didn't see anything whatsoever that convinced me that ghosts exist.

[1971ELLIOTT]

As for being full of anger and hate that's obviously you!!!!!! As I say if you're so against them then leave them alone!!!!!! You say you've no vendetta then why keep on attacking them? Why the hatred? Why the nastyness? You idiot!!!!!

[SupernaturalWorld]

HAHA! Your comment requires nothing other than a referral to your GP for anger management and cognitive behaviour therapy. Good luck with it, you need to chill dude! ;)

[1971ELLIOTT]

Listen to what you've said nothing worth listening to, you STILL HAVE NO SOLID EVIDENCE IF ANY, you don't recognise your own attacks on others, and you've contradicted yourself yet again, now you're not his buddy via knowing his wife and if any one needs to chill it's you!!! you're also still trying to talk down to people also!!! YES YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE EXTREMELY EMPTY!!!

[SupernaturalWorld]

Wow, you really are unhinged! I'm doing you a big favour, I'm putting you on block to prevent you venting further! You are in serious need of relaxation. ;)

I pity you. :)

[1971ELLIOTT]

IDIOT!!!!! I'm not wasting any more time with you because your arguments are empty, you're unable to produce solid evidence if any. Contradiction wise you say you're NOT attacking anyone but you're attacking Yvette and Karl PERSONALLY you've attacked Derek then you make out to be his buddy via his wife.

[SupernaturalWorld]

Buddy via his wife? Again, out of context and not what I said. So try quoting me properly. ;)

My arguments aren't empty, but I strongly suspect your head is. You clearly refuse to listen.

[1971ELLIOTT]

You also keep trying to talk down to people so just grow the hell up loose the attitude and stop attacking people and making aqusations that you simply can not proove and if you hate them so much leave them alone and move on you very sad sad bitter twisted angry individual!!!!!

[1971ELLIOTT]

Squirm squirm squirm YES you are twisted YES you are bitter YES you are angry YES you do have a vendetta YES you do attack people and guess what YOU STILL CAN'T PRODUCE ANY SOLID EVIDENCE OF WHAT YOU'RE CLAIMING!! You keep contradicting yourself repeatadly

[SupernaturalWorld]

Show me one contradiction please. Paste it here. Then read your two latest comments and tell me who is the angry one, LMAO!

[1971ELLIOTT]

And one day you'll find yourself up a creak without a paddle, because you're turning the issues that you have into personal ones,.

[SupernaturalWorld]

Believe me, it will not be me up the proverbial creak. ;)

Most Haunted is fake, Fielding is conning you, Beattie is conning you, the rest do what they are told. Try asking someone else, don't take my word for it. When you grow some common sense we'll talk again. ;)

[1971ELLIOTT]

As I say you're squirming and have still not and can't produce any solid evidance you started out this whole discussion by telling us how fake derek was now you're claiming to be his best buddy. So yes you know in your words shite all and just are a very angry bitter and twisted person that has a personal vendetta against Karl and Yvette

[SupernaturalWorld]

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! You really don't read things properly do you? I said I know his wife, where the heck does it say I know him or indeed I'm friends with him? Paste it in this conversation where I do say that, I won't hold my breath. ;)

Angry...no, bitter...no...twisted? Are you kidding me, lol! As for a vendetta, I enough shite about those two to write a book. Such a shame delluded folk like you hang on their every word.

[1971ELLIOTT]

The fact is you still are unable to provide solid evidence of fakery and you're begining to squirm with your comments your argument is collapsing with each comment you make ever heard the expression give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves, that's what you're doing!

[SupernaturalWorld]

You're actually quite funny, if a little deluded, lol!

In one episode a spoon was thrown, this was seen on camera and came from behind Fielding. The spoon was an antiquity! Three members from the cast at that time have confirmed the spoon was thrown. A medium, a member of the cast and a manager. ;)

When Derek Acorah spoke on a radio interview he blew the lid on the show, and remember, he resigned, he wasn't fired. ;)

When Fielding and Co heard it they threatened anyone who published it

[SupernaturalWorld]

I was one of those who heard from their lawyers! They are bullies and everything Acorah said was FACT, something they hated. Bare in mind many of the old team were fully prepared for their day in court to reveal what Beattie is really like!

Did I mention I've known Derek's wife for some time now, a very nice person who has taught me much!

Like I said before, you'd be amazed how much I know. ;)

[SupernaturalWorld]

Now enough of the "you know shite" comments, I know plenty.

[1971ELLIOTT]

If you've done the research you claim you'll know Stuart actually has been physically attacked! And LOOSE THAT ATTITUDE!!!!!!!!

[SupernaturalWorld]

I didn't say he hadn't, I said no one had been beaten up as you had claimed! As for Stuart, jumping around like an idiot screaming his head off is not proof of an attack. All it proves is how far the idiot will go to dupe the viewers!

[1971ELLIOTT]

Why would people fake being physically beaten up, punched, scratched? It is impossable to fake the physical attacks that Stuart has experianced. EVP's can't be faked on the spot ad I've said before you've yet to experiance paranormal activity first hand. You've really got to stop attacking people loose the attitude, if you're so against the paranormal change your name and DON'T post anything more on the subject.

[SupernaturalWorld]

Nobody on MH has ever been beaten up - period! The attacks on Stuart are theatrics, he has never received any significant injuries apart from the time he pushed Karl in the back. ;)

WTF is paranormal change? You really are a numb nut aren't you?

[1971ELLIOTT]

You stated all Yorkshire people use the word shite. MH ACTUALLY IS a factual investigative program however, they have to put the entertainment thing up as a point of law NOT because they according to you fake paranormal activity, which if you'd have done your homework you'd know,

[SupernaturalWorld]

Here's what I ACTUALLY said ;)

I live in Yorkshire, we say shite, not shit.

NOUN: shite - obscene terms for feces

Now tell me where I say ALL then apologise for miquoting me.

As for MH, IT IN NOT A FACTUAL ANYTHING! It is, and always has been, advertised as entertainment only! When will you people actually take the time to find out a few things before speaking from your asses.

[1971ELLIOTT]

Also supernaturalword you state you don't attack people, well if you don't then why post videos of MH accusing them of fakery, surely that's attacking the MH production team?

[SupernaturalWorld]

You really should go back to school. ;)

My opinion is just that, you seem to struggle with it? Are you Yvette and Karl's love child? Bless you.

[1971ELLIOTT]

Supernaturalworld is an idiot in other posts he attacks other YouTube users and shows them no respect, but expects them to totally respect him. If you're so against MH then put together some SOLID evidence and send it to OFCOM with your complaint that they're fake and get MH taken off air, but you won't and NEVER will!!!!! Also DO NOT generalise as NOT everyone in Yorkshire uses the word shite, the fact you do supernaturalworld just demonstrates your lack of intelligence!!!!!!

[SupernaturalWorld]

Oh dear!

You really don't know much do you? OFCOM have already received numerous claims and released their verdict!

Wanna see it? ;)

[SupernaturalWorld]

The regulator said the high level of "showmanship" and "over-dramatic" responses, the celebrity presenter, studio audience, put it beyond what would comprise a legitimate investigation. It said that viewers would be clear that the intended purpose of the programmes were for entertainment.

THIS IS WHAT OFCOM SAID ABOUT MOST HAUNTED. ;)

[SupernaturalWorld]

Let's get something straight numb nut! I did not say everyone uses the words shite. Point me to where I say ALL. Then apoligise for getting it wrong.

As for Most Haunted, it is intended to entertain, it is not classed as a genuine paranormal investigative program and never will be. Do you not check anything?

[boob72]

Most Haunted is worse than vomit...

[sloth610]

If you look the women is moving it becuase the cloth is starting to fold from her pushing it.

[StapledNote]

You can see the cloth mangling where that woman is pushing the table.

[nerdybteddo]

i love how when yvette moves back it stops then they stand up it stops

what a coincidence.

[ljevo1234]

when they stand up the table stops moving WTF fakr

[scouseladlfc]

I cant believe that people with intelligance actually think this isnt fake, whats the world coming 2!

[MaximusMingus]

Mary loves Dick!

[DJReDeYe2k7]

yvette isnt pushin the table its that fake dude derek, sam? sam? can u here me sam? :/

[bazamah]

Ah, the Buddhist Two Truths :)

Yes, there is a deeper, most wonderful, reality.

As far as Yvette & Co are concerned, I'm not impressed, but I do think that they sometimes come across impressive stuff. Do they fake it? I don't know. But, as I've written before, if they are fakes, they are the most superb actors.

Still, these small clips are NOT proof either way.

[bazamah]

You have no evidence for this statement. There is nothing in this clip which proves fakery. Your position is, therefore, a matter of faith.

I am making no statement as to whether this programme is a con or not. What I can say is, if it is a con the 'team' are tremendous actors and should be presented for Oscars.

Either way, I find it entertaining at times.

[chazcov08]

Obvious fakery. You can see the table cloth bunching up as she moves her hand to move the table. To be so bold as to do this right in front of the camera is the pinnacle of arrogance.

[Brennna]

People see what they want to see. Most Haunted has ruined ghost hunting for everyone.

[mashpotatobrains]

Are you still with us? No, I'm with the Woolich!

[bazamah]

Medical research has suggested that the right temporal lobe connects with the 'paranormal' world. In some this is more developed than in others.

Buddhist philosophy describes a deeper reality, no realised by ordinary senses.

Modern physics allows for alternate dimensions, and the two interpretations of quantum physics mean that there are either an almost infinite number of universes or that an intelligent observer created our universe.

I see no reason to doubt other possible modes of existence.

[Comedian80]

If there really were a spirit world, why do they need tosspots like Derek Acorah and the guy in this clip to "connect" us to them? It's a load of balls and plays on people's stupidity or grief. How these fuckers sleep I don't know.

[doubts]

She is a joke and a liar. A very rich liar!

[Zondas87]

The people that defend this show are funny and sad at the same time. Gives me a good laugh to be honest.

[DraculaJennie]

How dare she call Derek Acorah a fake then she cheats herself, people should smile and be a medium themselves. You shouldn't call a medium until you are a medium yourself.

[wilstarmbel]

dicks

[bobbydylanio]

It is ludicrous to suggest that this is 'Blatant Fakery', wud she realy push the table right in front of the camera? I dont know but I doubt it. And the fact that the cloth creases under her hand simply shows that she is pressing down, this would make the cloth crease under her hand. This video has clearly been posted by a sad little man who has a grudge against Most Haunted. As i say its ridiculous to say this is 'blatant fakery' in any way. BLATANT.. it most certainly is not

[Ravendov]

Fine. Then please explain that ONLY she is pressing against it, and that it also coincidentally happens to be moving not only back in forth in the way that she is facing. Furthermore, why would she clench down tightly on the cloth? She is trying to feel for the spirit, so wouldn't it make more sense to not resist against the table and simply allow it to move? By holding down she adds resistance to the table, so there is no point. Maybe your just looking to find something spiritual to believe in?

[bazamah]

I'm sorry, but that is not proof of fakery.

[bazamah]

I'm sorry, but that is not proof of fakery. If the table is moving AGAINST the resistance of her hand, the effect would be the same.

[FreePlay]

"I'm sorry, but that is not proof of fakery. If the table is moving AGAINST the resistance of her hand, the effect would be the same."

Then why is it not happening to anyone else?

[bazamah]

It depends how much resistance there is to the table's movement or state of rest. This can vary and is multifactorial, so is difficult to assess qualitatively from something so coarse as a film clip.

As I said, not proof of fakery.

I am not a fan of Yvette Fielding, but cannot condone the unsupported, sheep-like buffoonery exhibited in the 'it's all fake' comments.

Jeez, this is simple stuff - just engage your brains, will you?

[FreePlay]

"Jeez, this is simple stuff - just engage your brains, will you?"

Quite right. Occam's razor. Either there is an invisible spiritual world filled with non-corporeal beings that, though they are not manifested in any physical form, can interact with the physical world... or Yvette Fielding is a fraud.

[bazamah]

You cannot apply Occam's razor, here. It is not about choosing the simplest explanation, as the alternative explanation is without ordinary experience. It's like saying 'I've never seen a tiger so they don't exist' - an inherently ludicrous position to take.

Note, we cannot sense the many dimensions necessary for current unification theories, but that does not stop sensible people taking them seriously - of course, if Occam's razor is applied ... no unification theories!

[FreePlay]

'Note, we cannot sense the many dimensions necessary for current unification theories, but that does not stop sensible people taking them seriously - of course, if Occam's razor is applied ... no unification theories!'

That's false. If an equation holds true in all instances but requires us to assume that other dimensions exist, Occam's Razor would tell us not that we must be wrong in each and every use of the equation, but that those dimensions actually DO exist and we HAVEN'T been wrong.

[bazamah]

So you will allow mysterious dimensions in one area but not another?

This does not sound terribly even handed, and suggests that you have already closed your mind to argument.

[FreePlay]

Occam's razor states that whenever an explanation is unknown, if you consider all the potential explanations as equally capable of being correct, the one that introduces the least uncertainty and the least assumptions is most likely correct.

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[FreePlay]

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You are denying the clear evidence of fakery (Yvette kicking cupboards, Yvette moving her finger along a glass and saying that the glass moved, etc). and instead saying it's more logical to assume that nonphysical entities can interact with the physical world without manifesting themselves in any way.

You introduce an untold number of assumptions and accept them as MORE LIKELY TRUE than that Yvette is just a fraud.

History has shown us fraudulent spiritualists. It has not shown us ghosts.

[bazamah]

Oh please just read and try to understand what I have written instead of putting words that suit your position. I have NOT said that it is more logical to assume either conclusion here - all I have said is that these clips are not evidence of fraud, not, if they we fraudulent, are they in any way evidence of the no existence of the paranormal. To state that they are is just sloppy thinking.

[FreePlay]

"I have NOT said that it is more logical to assume either conclusion here - all I have said is that these clips are not evidence of fraud, not, if they we fraudulent, are they in any way evidence of the no existence of the paranormal. To state that they are is just sloppy thinking."

No. It is the default assumption. The sort of things Yvette is doing were done back in the 1800s and EVERY SINGLE ONE was debunked as a fraud. She would have to provide OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary.

[bazamah]

Just stating this does not make it fact. You are actually wrong.

There is significant interest in concordance experiments from the early 1900s and, more recently, in the Schole experiment which provided some exceptionally interesting phenomena.

[FreePlay]

Combine this video with several others available demonstrating Fielding's fraudulent activities, and the most logical conclusion is obvious: Fielding is a fraud.

[bazamah]

I question that your conclusion is the most logical. It is only the most logical if there is significant evidence of fakery, otherwise it is simply speculation (unless, of course, your position is one where the most logical explanation is so termed only if it fits with your own preferred version).

I maintain that none of the clips available show definite evidence of fakery.

[FreePlay]

"I question that your conclusion is the most logical. It is only the most logical if there is significant evidence of fakery, otherwise it is simply speculation (unless, of course, your position is one where the most logical explanation is so termed only if it fits with your own preferred version)."

The default assumption is that it IS fraudulent until evidence is provided to prove otherwise. This is not a matter of opinion - it's the basis of scientific investigation.

There is no evidence.

[bazamah]

There is no evidence that YOU are willing to accept.

These videos are irrelevant - they prove nothing either way. However, there IS evidence, scientifically scrutinised in controlled studies as well as the more usual observational evidence, which suggests that there are questions to be asked and answers to be sought outside our usual view of the world.

[FreePlay]

"There is no evidence that YOU are willing to accept. "

No. There is NO EVIDENCE that has not been debunked.

Your skeptical instinct is noticeably missing.

[bazamah]

Actually, you are seriously wrong, here.

There is copious evidence from current research and from historical observation. Many respected scientists take this evidence seriously.

(I state this as a research scientist.)

I know - you're just going to cherry-pick again.

[FreePlay]

"Actually, you are seriously wrong, here.

There is copious evidence from current research and from historical observation. Many respected scientists take this evidence seriously.

(I state this as a research scientist.)"

Provide ANY that has not been debunked.

[FreePlay]

I don't HAVE a preferred version. If Yvette could show us unquestionable evidence that these phenomena are more than simple fakery (which is what the evidence DOES suggest), I would be inclined to believe her.

[bazamah]

You are never going to get this evidence from simple video records. Everything can be faked.

Remember - some deny the NASA moon landings. Their evidence - the film recordings (which DO look faked).

I accept that NASA have landed on the moon (though I was not there to confirm that there was no fakery). Equally, I am willing to entertain the notion that Yvette Fielding (much as I dislike the woman) could possibly be on to something.

[FreePlay]

"I accept that NASA have landed on the moon (though I was not there to confirm that there was no fakery). Equally, I am willing to entertain the notion that Yvette Fielding (much as I dislike the woman) could possibly be on to something."

We have irrefutable evidence that we went to the moon (several hundred pounds of rock with physical, chemical, and mineral compositions that CANNOT form on Earth).

On the other hand, we have no evidence that Yvette is anything BUT another fraud.

[bazamah]

You just don't see the point, do you. You have NO PERSONAL EVIDENCE that these exist - you trust in what you are told.

[FreePlay]

"You just don't see the point, do you. You have NO PERSONAL EVIDENCE that these exist - you trust in what you are told."

Except that I *COULD* get personal evidence. Spiritualists? Not so much.

[FreePlay]

What's more, you're comparing the raw, uncut moon landing footage to a TELEVISION SHOW, which has been heavily edited for dramatic effect.

You're talking about a show where a person claims to have an Ethiopian spirit guide named Sam who tells him what dead people are saying. Do you SERIOUSLY think this is on equal footing with the moon landing?

[bazamah]

God - it's like talking to setting concrete.

[FreePlay]

"God - it's like talking to setting concrete."

You're right. Talking to people who BELIEVE IN A PHENOMENON UNTIL IT IS DISPROVEN is PRECISELY like talking to setting concrete.

You have NO skeptical instinct. You accept until disproof is offered, despite the history of fraud and the UTTER lack of SUPPORTING proof.

[bazamah]

Your latest offering is infantile. You seem to be utterly unable to determine my position on this matter. May I advise you to read my posts properly? Then, perhaps (a forlorn hope in all likelihood), you might have a better idea before you pick up your crayon.

[bazamah]

Irrelevant. The question is about using published footage as evidence without reservation.

[FreePlay]

"Irrelevant. The question is about using published footage as evidence without reservation. "

On the other hand, YOU are BELIEVING that this TV footage is LEGITIMATE, despite the fact that it was EDITED FOR TELEVISION AND FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT.

Your double-standard is fucking mind-numbing. I have nothing more to say to you.

[bazamah]

How old are you? Do you have difficulty comprehending the written word?

I'll just have to spell it out, won't I?

I do not accept this footage as evidence either way. I have said so several times above.

Anyway, I have a lecture to prepare, so I'll leave you to your join-the-dots puzzle book. And don't you get that crayon stuck up your nose, now.

(It is amusing to note your degeneration into obscenity and misrepresentation. Totally bereft of argument? How delightful!!)

[FreePlay]

This is your argument:

1. Consciousness exists outside the body.

2. Consciousness can exist in non-evident extra dimensions.

3. Consciousness, with no physical form, can interact with the physical world.

4. Centuries of proven fraudulent spiritualists doesn't at all increase the level of proof required from a modern spiritualist.

5. Observing a spiritualist engaging in multiple acts of fraud is not evidence of fraud.

6. Raw, unedited video footage is equally reliable to edited-for-TV footage.

[bazamah]

Where have I written all this??

Are you hallucinating or deluded?

I don't seem to be able to get it through your thick skull that I am not writing in support of any viewpoint. I am only stating that the video footage is not evidence of fraud.

The concept of finding out what the other person is saying is obviously alien to you.

BTW - point 3 is a rough description (in a way) of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory.

[FreePlay]

I have asked you to provide evidence for your claim that there are spiritualists who were NOT debunked, and you refused.

I have pointed out that this video is edited for dramatic effect, and you ignore this point.

You seem to believe that things that happen on TV DRAMAS are equally valid to video of the MOON LANDING.

You ACCEPT the phenomenon BY DEFAULT and claim that this video doesn't DISPROVE it.

The phenomenon HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN. There is nothing to disprove.

[bazamah]

1. Please read earlier in the thread. I refer, of course, to examples such as the Scole experiments and the cross-correspondances.

2. If I have ignored any of your points, it is easily compensated for by your propensity for either assuming my view or deliberately misrepresenting what I have written.

3. I've gone through this point before. You choose to ignore my answer

4. See point 3

5. Ultimately nothing at all, in any field, has been, nor can be, proven. (Cf - Popper)

[FreePlay]

The utterly vapid level of skepticism you have exhibited leads me to believe that you are neither 54 nor a research physicist as your profile would have us think.

You have NO argument to support your position, and all you can do is insult.

FUCKING astonishing.

[bazamah]

WRONG!

[bazamah]

@FreePlay Have you learned to read properly, yet? :)

[FreePlay]

@bazamah Still a dipshit?

[carrionmaggot]

It is people like this that give paranormal research a shitty name.They sould be taken out and beaten until the blood flows with horses penis on live national TV.

[carrionmaggot]

If a person is relaxed while doing this the top of their hands would be flat.If they are moving or trying to move a planchett or table top the hands and will be at a arch.Also the knuckles will be pointing up.

[loulee]

You can even tell by her arm movement that she is pushing it, pathetic to say the least. Only saddos around here and the ones who refuse to believe when the proof is right there in the video.

[Rainagain1975]

Keep it up supernatural world, you are the person whom uis delivering the truth, absolutely brilliant !

[magickat1]

She's such a retard

[SupernaturalWorld]

Bye bye!

[SupernaturalWorld]

I should have said, when she pushes the table the table rocks away from her, proof she is pushing. I couldn't give a rats ass what Fielding says, clearly when she pushes, the table moves away from her! It's all their for you in the video.

[SupernaturalWorld]

Oh dear oh dear! Notice the thumb positioned on the table's edge and the hand physically moving the cloth, quite clearly Fielding is pushing the table even when she stands up.

[AbbieereNspeekinOUT]

oh wot ever if she is pushing it then why does she say its coming to me if she woz oushing it then the table wud be moving away

saddo

[magickat1]

It's called faking and lying