Say what you will about the movie, fantastic scene, especially in the age of three-frame cuts and incomprehensibility which become the norm these days. Who choreographed this?
@KatonRyu i am greek and i have been taught the iliad at school an paris wasn't such a little bitch. however sometimes he was, but nothing like the movie
This movie would've been a masterpiece had they followed the Iliad. I'm sorry Wolfgang Petersen- Homer is a better writer than you and you should know it.
@source1zero Good idea, I mean, how hard could it really have been to accurately represent a conflict which spanned, in the canon, 10 years, with hundreds of characters and events, into a 2 hour film? Get your act together, Petersen!
Wow it was all a coward prince and a whore's fault the greatest warriors in history died? so in the end they could live and enjoy themselves in the ruins and despair that's absolutely ridiculous
@AlexanderBathory17 I know it's not the same, but form a movie's point of view it wouldn't be that great to just have hector running around the walls of Troy like a scared little boy.
ok, but I am not taking into account this scene only.. the whole film is just..... BAD.... sadly bad. Agamemnon DIES! PARIS LIVES! Aiace (I am italian, dunno the equivalent in english) fights with a bloody hammer! (EPIC FACEPALM)
please, check what are you saying. I have been studying Homer for 10 years, and I am still studying him. in ILIADE (War for Troy) there is NO TRACE of the things I have pointed out. if you read that book, you will see. feel fee to ask me question about the book and about weapons, deaths, facts.. described in it. I will show you the film is just...WRONG let me tell you just this: the main weapon in in Iliade is SPEAR, not SWORD
@AlexanderBathory17 Most people know, the movie uses a lot of poetic liscense. I like to think of it this way, if the war for Troy really happened, it probably looked more like this. But I can deffinately see how a historian like you would get angry at this.
I don't think either Hector or Achilles was necessarily a hero or villian in this film. It may not do the best job at retelling other parts of the poem, but I think it did a good job at avoiding any sort of blantant "good vs evil" conflicts, just like what the poem did.
The movie was decent but I wish it would be more like the "Illiad" they left out so many characters like Nestor, Ajax the Lesser and Diomedes who was the most bad ass. He freaking stabbed a god.
2:27 hahahaha it looks like Achilles heal was protected by the leg armour that time! Also I think Achilles was toying with Hector for part of the battle.
Normally, this is how it works. Man comes to gate. Man challenges war for honor. The smart people shoot him full of arrows. Nobody does honor challenges again
This is an amazing sword fight, but during greek times, the sword wasn't considered to be a soldiers main weapon but his secondary, it was the spear. To put distance between your enemy but still kick his ass.
I think Hector is courageous. he knew he was fighting someone beyond the norm. Achilles mother is a goddess. he saw how he threw that spear earlier in the movie, yet he never backed down.
Im crazy about fight scenes and its rare for one to be this good, especially a Hollywood fight scene, if this is Hollywood. Brad is such a cool character i swear LOL. Im always raving for Brad to win. I never got to see the whole movie but i heard its pretty dam good. Kinda boring and slow sometimes, but good overall. This scene alone make it look like a gem.
I think everyone forgets that Achilles is the villian in this movie and that Hector is the "hero" just trying to protect his brother and his land....which is why its such a sad scene.
@SumKindaNice sorry but it s his brother who brought all this mess here not to mention that he wouldn t even fight for the honor of his family nor for his girl(what a pussy) . archilles is the hero but hector is the good guy
@SumKindaNice Which is exactly the reason why its not an accurate representation of the actual Trojan War. Hector was seen as the bad guy in the real Trojan War probably because history is written by the victors and the Greeks won and Hector was a Trojan however based on what we have to go on Achilles should be the good guy and Hector shouldve been the bad guy.
@stefanski48 Their is no bad guys or good guys in war. You could see the Trojans as the good guys because all they were doing is defending their home. You can also see the Greeks as the good guys because they are just trying to take more land for their people. Just look at the war today. America are the bad guys because they invaded Iraq for oil, and killed thousands of innocents, and the Taliban can be seen as the bad guys for their acts of Terror. It's all about perspective.
Respond to this video... I also dont see how Achilles is portrayed as a bad guy in any shape or form of the term. He just wanted revenge on the guy who killed his cousin. Everyone would want revenge against someone killing their family member especially someone you cared about. In Ancient Greece this is how they took revenge.
@stefanski48 The fight itself is not what made him evil, it's the fact that he took Hectors body away and denied him the privilege of a proper funeral. Granted, he did end up giving the body back but it took convincing on the king of troys part.
Movie does not equal book people. I cannot for the life of me understand why some people hate this move. And this swordfight is the best, up there with Princess Bride imho. If it came out before Gladiator, it've won Oscars...But the fickle public was bored with epic sword movies and doomed us all to 10 years of bad CG action remakes instead. No bad actors here... except Diane Kruger, lol. (If you think Brad Pitt's a bad actor, well...)
The key to the movie is, I think, can people who read the book accept Brad Pitt as Achilles (sulky blond demigod, perfect casting!) And can people who didn't read the book accept Orlando Bloom as an irritating cockhound (which is what Paris was in the book, so... good job, no?)
I think that covers the only two real criticisms, other than bitching over who died at what point. Now, if Brad Pitt's wife had played Helen, instead of frau Kruger...
It's like the Obi-Wan VS Darth Maul fight in Star Wars episode 1. the entire movie is mediocre, but I'm ready to sit through the entire movie just to see this damn fight!
Yes he was. He dropped the shield right after. And used Hector's second weapon spear to bring him down immedialetly followed by a quick clean decisive final blow. No useless suffering. 2 great fighters. But Achille was just too strong.
Good fight, the only thing that's really wrong is, that this way of fightting with sword is posible maybe with spanish steel, and definitely not with bronze. But I do understand that it is for the efect...
If you read the illiad, you will see that Hector is the real hero of the trojan war. He fights a demi-god as a mortal human to protect his people. What a man!
Sure - the fight scene by itself is pretty cool, but this movie is bastardization of the story. The words of Paris coming out of Odysseus' mouth in the beginning are enough prove this movie was utter shit.
@mindybco I've read the Iliad multiple times in three separate translations...you're going to tell me that this movie is not a bastardization of the story? If so, you're the fool...one simply can't tell this story well without the imagery and symbolism Homer gave us (Hector wearing Achilles old armor from killing Patroclus, Achilles new armor, Aeneas carrying his father on his back while holding the hand of his child). The point remains - this movie fucked up the story in a bad way.
@xthewhiteponyx Can you not read? Words fall from your mouth like shit from ass. Did I not say that this movie is a combination of the Illiad and the Aeneid? The Aeneid is the Roman version of this story.
the aeneid is the tale of Aeneas, survivor of the siege on troy, and his adventures AFTER the Iliad... his travels and the founding of a comunity that later would see the birth of romulus and remus, written by Virgil (actual latin poet) whilst Iliad and Odyssey are greek poems supposedly written by the "mythical" Homer.
check your facts before you start slagging off people for being ignorant.
@xthewhiteponyx Dude, shut up, seriously. Go to see movies to be entertained, not to make sure they follow every single godamn detail in the godamn fucking epic.
@xthewhiteponyx If you can honestly tell me you'd rather watch hector run around a city like a little bitch and also get killed like a little bitch than watch a pretty good sword fight then I feel sorry for you.
Achilles changed through four or five different fighting stances through this fight. He even held his shield behind his back and was still able to fight off Hector with the sword, even though he was WIDE open. Just goes to show that he was the best fighter of the age.
Somebody should have told Hector that Achilles is a demigod. How should he have won against someone who got bathed in styx and so becomin invulnerable in fight. Just the wish of the gods makes him fall in the end.
(If someone doesn´t understand read Homers Ilias)
As far as I know this scene was the last that got recorded and had to be repeated over 50 times for the movie.
he had alot of staminerm as you can see how he kept his composure throught the whole fight, and werent as worn out and tierd out as hecktor is, stamina+skill total domination, but if it was me, id have to pull out a shot gun onna nigga B)
I really do hate that we have guns now.... I mean it makes things quicker but now they're so much less cool.... and so much less honourable.... (well not really the military gives honours and stuff like that but you know what i mean) and I'm not dissing the army or anything, I heard their training is tough as hell too.... i just seems so much less.... romantic i guess?
@dunmakemekillu You do realize how horrible being chopped in half was you could get your arm cut off or leg and just be laying in a field bleeding out or dying from infection at least when you are shot its fast lol
achilles fights like an assassin. every strike is intended to kill the enemy. Every blow is capable of killing through armor. That reminds me of Altair
To reiterate my last thought, just go to Scaramouche Best Sword Fight Scene Ever Penned to see what I'm talking about. You can see every last thing that happens without the need of fancy camerawork.
@dog1701 just watched the duel at Scaramouche, it is ok considering the fact that it´s from 1952 and is also done by the the actors without stunt doubles (as far as i could see). still i like this fight of Achilles & Hector better, this one is really for life & death and i find it much more dramatic.
the best sword fight i ever saw in a movie is from Rob Roy: the final duel between Rob Roy & Archibald Cunningham, that´s a really impressive, dramatic and (in my opinion) realistic fight.
I'm sorry, no offense, but how does anyone call this a great fight scene? It is filled with endless close-ups, cutaways, etc., etc,. etc. There is not one point in this segment where you see prolonged action of more than a second or two. No, instead it's cutaway to this, cutaway to that, which only indicates either sloppy filmmaking, actors who are totally incompetent for this type of scence, or both. Just compare this side side with any 40's swashbukler.
@dog1701 well Pitt & Bana are actors not stuntmen, but they did this without stunt doubles, which is already remarkable. and then you can easily follow their movements in spite of all the cuts & close-ups, change of camera angle etc. you can reconstruct the complete choreography simply by watching ths.
there are much, much worse fight scenes where you can´t follow the movements of the fighters at all: it´s a confusing mash-up, you don´t know who´s doing what, how & when.
@dog1701 Everythign amkes this scene great. You don't see Pitt and Bana you see Achilles and Hector. The music, the camera angles, it's all amazing. The tense nature makes this such a great scene. And prolonged action? The way they're fighting? That's how they actually fought back then, you can't continually fight, you'l become exhausted and lose. You have to conserve your energy, block shots and then wait for the right moment to strike.
@fullmetalfunk i totally agree. when watching this for the first time (at cinema) i thought, wow that looks both cool & realistic, no fancy Kung Fu crap, but combat methods as described in the "Iliad": first the spears, then swords & shields: attack, parade, counter-attack, simultaneous attack & parade... so long until one manages to inflict a heavy blow on the other.
and yes, you really SEE Achilles & Hector here, which is remarkable considering one of them is actually Brad Pitt...
@harpiyon Exactly! It's really hard for me to watch a n actor like Brad Pitt in a movie and not see Brad Pitt (or more often i see Tyler Durden haha), not because he's not a great actor because he's amazing but just because he's sop well known but in a really good movie I don't see Pitt, I don't see Sean Penn, or whoever. I'm sucked in and I see the character they are portraying and this movie did that for me. I saw two men fighting to the death.
@fullmetalfunk yeah that´s the quality of really good actors, they play many different parts: villains, heroes, smart people, idiots, winners, losers, lovers, lonely people etc. and they make each character look authentic & believable.
Brad Pitt played some remarkable parts, esp. as Tyler Durden & Rusty Ryan, maybe these were the parts of his life. However whenever I watch Troy, I see Achilles not Brad Pitt: he´s becoming 1 with the character, it´s just amazing to watch.
@fullmetalfunk i can´t realy tell who was a better fighter. they were all well-trained & efficient warriors: Ajax, Achilles, Hector, Aeneas, Diomedes, Philoctetes, Odysseus, Menelaus, Idomeneus, Sarpedon, Glaucus, Memnon. they were all good warriors but that happens when people fight for 10 years: after a while, some of them inevitably die. sometimes it´s just luck that one fighter overcomes the other.
it could´ve been possible, too, that Hector killed Achilles, and that Troy beat Greece.
@coolflame18 to be honest, i´m not sure about that. these tales are many thousands of years old; by that time they were sung by bards for the entertainment of the nobility (e.g. at their feasts & banquets)
there are many legends & stories about the Trojan War, the ones by Homer are only a part of it
maybe some incidents were different (esp. the Gods helping people), this was added for the embellishment of the stories
still, i think the Trojan War really took place & most heroes really lived
@lilsm555 yes but still it´s better than nothing, isn´t it.
Heinrich Schliemann knew only the legends. he believed in them, saved a lot of money & started doing archaeological expeditions (from his own finances). and in the end he really found the historic Troy.
he was the first one who proved that it´s not only legend.
the legends might be out of proportion but they´re definitely based on true incidents.
Spears is a long range weapon, its unwealdly in close range. The shields are way to big and heavy to be used in close range combat with swords that small.
Ahaha, this fight it's absolutely ridiculous. They never hits open spots, the target only shields and opponents sword and they do turnarounds!! Try to stand in front of somebody armed with a sword and do a turnaround a see what happens!
I´ve read the original Iliad by Homer and some modern renarrations about the Tojan War and I must admit I liked the movie even if there were some discrepancies to the original story.
but this one scene made up for all of it, I always imagined Achilles and Hector having a great fight. when you watch Pitt & Bana you really understand: these were 2 of the greatest warriors of their time, 2 men in their prime, driven by passion & glory and having nothing to lose.
I agree that this is a superlative sword fight scene, but I would disagree with the logic that a good fight scene makes the film more praiseworthy. Star Wars Episode I had the best lightsaber fight of the franchise (in my opinion), but that alone doesn't compensate for poor writing and pacing.
A high-caliber action scene would probably make a film more worth buying or more worth watching, but I think it's enough to praise the fight scene without necessarily extending it to the entire film.
The fight looks cool, but the movie had better parts. Arguably I believe the best part of this entire fight is the dialogue between Pitt and Bana, because of how well it establishes their character's personalities and actions.
So much death for a simple woman, and and idiot brother who thought his love would be more important than the entire ancient world's politics.....
andrewichigo 3 days ago
achilles had him beat the whole time
jdoyle247 5 days ago
Play with /watch?v=FbimPfaRD1I
Craymen 1 week ago
Achilles is a Demi-god and Invulnerable!!!
but his right ankle is Human...
joshuapogi01 1 week ago
Say what you will about the movie, fantastic scene, especially in the age of three-frame cuts and incomprehensibility which become the norm these days. Who choreographed this?
hanshotfirst1138 1 week ago
love this scene .
jayko23 1 week ago
I really, really hated Paris in this movie. I haven't read the Iliad, but I hope he wasn't such a little bitch in it.
KatonRyu 2 weeks ago
@KatonRyu i am greek and i have been taught the iliad at school an paris wasn't such a little bitch. however sometimes he was, but nothing like the movie
JohnTheRock98 6 days ago
HORRIBLE SCENE
He could have easily slashed his arm at 3:14
JaylenisOnline 2 weeks ago
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JaylenisOnline 2 weeks ago
man! how old was brad pitt in this film? great shape!
lurvecrusader 3 weeks ago
This movie would've been a masterpiece had they followed the Iliad. I'm sorry Wolfgang Petersen- Homer is a better writer than you and you should know it.
source1zero 1 month ago
@source1zero Good idea, I mean, how hard could it really have been to accurately represent a conflict which spanned, in the canon, 10 years, with hundreds of characters and events, into a 2 hour film? Get your act together, Petersen!
thethirdman1018 3 weeks ago
@thethirdman1018 My sentiments exactly ;)
source1zero 3 weeks ago
Amazing fighting scene! Just the movie is totally out of history:)) I wonder why the didn't do it as Homer described the war??
sokin01 1 month ago
Wow it was all a coward prince and a whore's fault the greatest warriors in history died? so in the end they could live and enjoy themselves in the ruins and despair that's absolutely ridiculous
smokeXR17 1 month ago
They should kill the achilles too bad (
srbnesabre 1 month ago
HECTOOOOR!!!
sepptoni 1 month ago
fucking rock
appleglory 1 month ago
ridiculous... been studying Homer for 20 years, and this is f..g ridiculous
AlexanderBathory17 1 month ago
@AlexanderBathory17 I know it's not the same, but form a movie's point of view it wouldn't be that great to just have hector running around the walls of Troy like a scared little boy.
ThePrinceOfPleasure 1 month ago
ok, but I am not taking into account this scene only.. the whole film is just..... BAD.... sadly bad. Agamemnon DIES! PARIS LIVES! Aiace (I am italian, dunno the equivalent in english) fights with a bloody hammer! (EPIC FACEPALM)
AlexanderBathory17 1 month ago
@AlexanderBathory17 The movie is based on a literally ancient book. So you should blame the author who is long dead.
MsThemuh 1 month ago
please, check what are you saying. I have been studying Homer for 10 years, and I am still studying him. in ILIADE (War for Troy) there is NO TRACE of the things I have pointed out. if you read that book, you will see. feel fee to ask me question about the book and about weapons, deaths, facts.. described in it. I will show you the film is just...WRONG let me tell you just this: the main weapon in in Iliade is SPEAR, not SWORD
AlexanderBathory17 1 month ago
@AlexanderBathory17 Most people know, the movie uses a lot of poetic liscense. I like to think of it this way, if the war for Troy really happened, it probably looked more like this. But I can deffinately see how a historian like you would get angry at this.
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CSavageSr 1 month ago
At least they didn't make Hector run like a little bitch like he did in the original story.
psycho2cool 2 months ago
Achilles fights like a Lion!
NStrike91 2 months ago
Troy was one of those movies that completely butchers the source material, but remains a good movie in its own right.
That being said, this fight was awesome, and portrays the scene from The Iliad really well, aside from a few little details.
Jensaarai1 2 months ago 2
I've never watched this film. Is all of the fighting this well don?
DarthPRB 2 months ago
That's like me when I fight my bro well you know we don't try to kill each other
KlixVoltage 2 months ago
At 33sec
Oh snap
KlixVoltage 2 months ago
Damn, look at 3:14
Achilles could have cut hector's arm off.
rockboy365987826 2 months ago
Soo... ya i didn't think this was all that at all.
hahanice3 2 months ago
I really like that the first bit of this fight is done with spears,we dont see enough spear fights in movies.
ajb7876 2 months ago
I don't think either Hector or Achilles was necessarily a hero or villian in this film. It may not do the best job at retelling other parts of the poem, but I think it did a good job at avoiding any sort of blantant "good vs evil" conflicts, just like what the poem did.
But that's just my two cents.
Manas10101 2 months ago
Let's just be clear. The Iliad was not a book, it was an Epic Poem. That being said, this was a really good fight scene :)
NeverwinterJunky 2 months ago
Fuck Honor. ARCHERS!
BlackoutOmega 3 months ago 34
@BlackoutOmega LAWL
MeatHoll 1 week ago
Is the blonde the bad guy?
Flameingsoul9 3 months ago
The choregraphers did a great a job with the swordplay. Not martial arts. Good research and imagination on their part...
einc70 3 months ago
I hate it when Brad Pitt wins at anything.
TheMainalt 3 months ago
Play This " watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZDFFHaz9GsY#! " Song at 1:35, its so fucking intense ! Verdi: Requiem Dies Irae . Its so fucking intense
SOUTHPARKFOREVER240 3 months ago
I have not found a fight better than this one yet.
Mayo20 3 months ago
The movie was decent but I wish it would be more like the "Illiad" they left out so many characters like Nestor, Ajax the Lesser and Diomedes who was the most bad ass. He freaking stabbed a god.
jcparty7 3 months ago
I never watched troy b4. I don't know who is the bad guy, or the actors. But the scene is AWESOMEEEeeEEee!!!
arenwalesa 3 months ago
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2:27 hahahaha it looks like Achilles heal was protected by the leg armour that time! Also I think Achilles was toying with Hector for part of the battle.
supersmash43 3 months ago
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supersmash43 3 months ago
Normally, this is how it works. Man comes to gate. Man challenges war for honor. The smart people shoot him full of arrows. Nobody does honor challenges again
noronhacandrew 3 months ago
Wow. One of the worst films I have ever seen.
ritsfata 3 months ago
This is an amazing sword fight, but during greek times, the sword wasn't considered to be a soldiers main weapon but his secondary, it was the spear. To put distance between your enemy but still kick his ass.
DrewOmega07 3 months ago
Hey idiots!!!The villain is Hector and Achiller is the Hero!!Please read the Greek mythology you idiot!!!!
robococop 3 months ago
I think Hector is courageous. he knew he was fighting someone beyond the norm. Achilles mother is a goddess. he saw how he threw that spear earlier in the movie, yet he never backed down.
lrdrandolf 3 months ago
All the post sound editing is kinda of annoying
klasco1991 4 months ago
this scene is great because it really shows the nuances of how two well trained men can fight with the spear
chouston80 4 months ago
Yeah, the movie sucked but this was a particularly good sword fight scene.
chruhl 4 months ago
4:25 what a noble thrust! But what Achilles did after that was cruel!
youngernet 4 months ago
achillies with the euro step at the begining rofl
Nnetherborn 4 months ago
ANYONE AGREE? HIT ME UP
Theroyalone20 4 months ago
THIS SCENE IS GOOD CAUSE ITS MORE REALISTIC THAN THAT 300 SLOW MO CRAP
Theroyalone20 4 months ago
Im crazy about fight scenes and its rare for one to be this good, especially a Hollywood fight scene, if this is Hollywood. Brad is such a cool character i swear LOL. Im always raving for Brad to win. I never got to see the whole movie but i heard its pretty dam good. Kinda boring and slow sometimes, but good overall. This scene alone make it look like a gem.
fleshtheworld 4 months ago
I think everyone forgets that Achilles is the villian in this movie and that Hector is the "hero" just trying to protect his brother and his land....which is why its such a sad scene.
SumKindaNice 4 months ago 35
@SumKindaNice yeah but if Paris wasent a prick then none of this would have happend and achilles is there because hector killed his cousin
Live4TheFight1 4 months ago
@SumKindaNice sorry but it s his brother who brought all this mess here not to mention that he wouldn t even fight for the honor of his family nor for his girl(what a pussy) . archilles is the hero but hector is the good guy
yoyaya007 3 months ago
@SumKindaNice Which is exactly the reason why its not an accurate representation of the actual Trojan War. Hector was seen as the bad guy in the real Trojan War probably because history is written by the victors and the Greeks won and Hector was a Trojan however based on what we have to go on Achilles should be the good guy and Hector shouldve been the bad guy.
stefanski48 3 months ago
@stefanski48 Their is no bad guys or good guys in war. You could see the Trojans as the good guys because all they were doing is defending their home. You can also see the Greeks as the good guys because they are just trying to take more land for their people. Just look at the war today. America are the bad guys because they invaded Iraq for oil, and killed thousands of innocents, and the Taliban can be seen as the bad guys for their acts of Terror. It's all about perspective.
BlackoutOmega 3 months ago
Respond to this video... I also dont see how Achilles is portrayed as a bad guy in any shape or form of the term. He just wanted revenge on the guy who killed his cousin. Everyone would want revenge against someone killing their family member especially someone you cared about. In Ancient Greece this is how they took revenge.
stefanski48 3 months ago
@stefanski48 The fight itself is not what made him evil, it's the fact that he took Hectors body away and denied him the privilege of a proper funeral. Granted, he did end up giving the body back but it took convincing on the king of troys part.
BlackoutOmega 3 months ago
@SumKindaNice
i knew that and i still rooted for achilles :p
danieldiaco 3 months ago
@SumKindaNice neither are considered a villian. Achilleus is the focal point of the story with both men considered Epic heroes
IRHasDiabetes911 2 months ago
@SumKindaNice there is no good guys or bad guys in war. its just a matter of point of view
theviewerism 2 months ago
@SumKindaNice there's no villian in Troy's history, dude
Alcatrone 2 months ago
@SumKindaNice well hector is the hero of troy and achilles is the hero of the greeks. it's not hero VS villian, it's hero VS hero.
albertjester 2 months ago
@SumKindaNice they're both hero's but hector just so happened to piss achilles off by killing his cousin
Yardnoc3103 1 month ago
awesome fight scene
NStarStudiosLTD 5 months ago
achilles is a true hero and this fight scene is just epic....
agent4754 5 months ago
@agent4754 heh, achilles was the bad guy
GuitarMassacre 4 months ago
@GuitarMassacre yes he was but he fought not for power and wealth but for glory.
agent4754 4 months ago
What I like about this fight is the way I can tell Hector is trying his best to fight the inevitable.
Locke217 5 months ago
Movie does not equal book people. I cannot for the life of me understand why some people hate this move. And this swordfight is the best, up there with Princess Bride imho. If it came out before Gladiator, it've won Oscars...But the fickle public was bored with epic sword movies and doomed us all to 10 years of bad CG action remakes instead. No bad actors here... except Diane Kruger, lol. (If you think Brad Pitt's a bad actor, well...)
ijwi 5 months ago
@ijwi dont forget orlando bloom he cant act for shit
JaspertheRunt 4 months ago
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ijwi 5 months ago
The key to the movie is, I think, can people who read the book accept Brad Pitt as Achilles (sulky blond demigod, perfect casting!) And can people who didn't read the book accept Orlando Bloom as an irritating cockhound (which is what Paris was in the book, so... good job, no?)
I think that covers the only two real criticisms, other than bitching over who died at what point. Now, if Brad Pitt's wife had played Helen, instead of frau Kruger...
ijwi 5 months ago
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ijwi 5 months ago
It's like the Obi-Wan VS Darth Maul fight in Star Wars episode 1. the entire movie is mediocre, but I'm ready to sit through the entire movie just to see this damn fight!
irregularzero 5 months ago
He could of broken the guys arm when he had it locked in his shield.. Guess he was fighting with some honor.
SoldiersSoul 5 months ago
@SoldiersSoul
HE WAS FIGHTING WITH THE HONOR OF HIS SWORD!!!
DangerousDragonite 5 months ago
@SoldiersSoul
Yes he was. He dropped the shield right after. And used Hector's second weapon spear to bring him down immedialetly followed by a quick clean decisive final blow. No useless suffering. 2 great fighters. But Achille was just too strong.
Retubetard 5 months ago
If Helen stayed in the kitchen??? your wrong dude, Paris should have stayed in the kitchen that guy is a possy. Helen should be in bed giggly giggly
Battlefield3Maister 6 months ago
An exciting dance... but behind the flashy moves, there's no fight. This is as much a swordfight as pro wrestling is wrestling.
Timrath 6 months ago
@Timrath wow... are you suggesting that real fights are not nearly this entertaining? because otherwise your statement is in fact totally pointless.
D3struc10 6 months ago
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XxBellagio19xX 6 months ago
There are no pacts between lions and men
RageMysterio 6 months ago
Such technique...
alecrizzle 7 months ago
Imagine if Donnie Yen was in this, will it blend?
Akshole 7 months ago
very nice choreography
AlphaCrosby 7 months ago
@AlphaCrosby YES! :D
Betwazzled 7 months ago
Good fight, utterly average film.
Guigley 7 months ago
You, sir, are an imbecile which I have zero time for. Enjoy your shallow fight scene that lacks the intended emotive charge.
xthewhiteponyx 7 months ago
Good fight, the only thing that's really wrong is, that this way of fightting with sword is posible maybe with spanish steel, and definitely not with bronze. But I do understand that it is for the efect...
Tyrhor 7 months ago
Oh this dude is a demigod ,he's only half so can probably win this
radiostar34 7 months ago
He could have just turned into Hulk and smashed Achilles into the the size of his heel.
mookateer 8 months ago 45
@mookateer or blown his body parts all over a ceiling fan
masterodisastr 7 months ago
@mookateer wasn't that edward norton?
unholyfarter 6 months ago
orlando bloom is so gay on this movie..
sandwichandguitarboy 8 months ago
@sandwichandguitarboy dude, orlando bloom is pretty much gay in any movie
unchartedtombraider 8 months ago
so...who won?
Beckmaster11 8 months ago
Hector is the Man
Timurchin1 8 months ago
far from the best movie sword fight in my humble opinion
baddrivers1 8 months ago
The only fucken rock on the ground and he tripped on it
vampiro6913 8 months ago
Hectors brother was a real bitch in the movie
viefox13 8 months ago
If you read the illiad, you will see that Hector is the real hero of the trojan war. He fights a demi-god as a mortal human to protect his people. What a man!
justvendetta 8 months ago
@justvendetta I mean the iliad... sorry!
justvendetta 8 months ago
Lame fight...watch an old movie with Geen Kelly in Three Musketeers, now thats a sword fight!!!
daraofp 8 months ago
3:06 "Tis but a scratch!"
Macthecamp 8 months ago
What I like about this fight is that we are worried of who's gonna be stabbed by those pointy pointy, deadly swords.
cefanine 8 months ago
Love achilles staying in the pocket at 3:42
Fall3nQc 9 months ago
Seriously, that must have been the only stone for miles
BPMKent 9 months ago
That was some coordination by both. One of the best of all time sword fights.
CarlosMarioMedellin 9 months ago
Sure - the fight scene by itself is pretty cool, but this movie is bastardization of the story. The words of Paris coming out of Odysseus' mouth in the beginning are enough prove this movie was utter shit.
xthewhiteponyx 9 months ago
@xthewhiteponyx Obviously you never realized that this movie is a combination of the Iliad and Aeneid. Fool.
mindybco 8 months ago
@mindybco I've read the Iliad multiple times in three separate translations...you're going to tell me that this movie is not a bastardization of the story? If so, you're the fool...one simply can't tell this story well without the imagery and symbolism Homer gave us (Hector wearing Achilles old armor from killing Patroclus, Achilles new armor, Aeneas carrying his father on his back while holding the hand of his child). The point remains - this movie fucked up the story in a bad way.
xthewhiteponyx 8 months ago
@xthewhiteponyx Can you not read? Words fall from your mouth like shit from ass. Did I not say that this movie is a combination of the Illiad and the Aeneid? The Aeneid is the Roman version of this story.
mindybco 8 months ago
@mindybco Wow, have you even read The Aeneid? Are you truly this woefully ignorant of the details of these stories? /facepalm
xthewhiteponyx 8 months ago
@mindybco ahem..that's a load of bullcrap.
the aeneid is the tale of Aeneas, survivor of the siege on troy, and his adventures AFTER the Iliad... his travels and the founding of a comunity that later would see the birth of romulus and remus, written by Virgil (actual latin poet) whilst Iliad and Odyssey are greek poems supposedly written by the "mythical" Homer.
check your facts before you start slagging off people for being ignorant.
dehro 7 months ago
@xthewhiteponyx Dude, shut up, seriously. Go to see movies to be entertained, not to make sure they follow every single godamn detail in the godamn fucking epic.
Basch152 7 months ago
@xthewhiteponyx If you can honestly tell me you'd rather watch hector run around a city like a little bitch and also get killed like a little bitch than watch a pretty good sword fight then I feel sorry for you.
Basch152 7 months ago
Achilles changed through four or five different fighting stances through this fight. He even held his shield behind his back and was still able to fight off Hector with the sword, even though he was WIDE open. Just goes to show that he was the best fighter of the age.
93wildkid 9 months ago
Somebody should have told Hector that Achilles is a demigod. How should he have won against someone who got bathed in styx and so becomin invulnerable in fight. Just the wish of the gods makes him fall in the end.
(If someone doesn´t understand read Homers Ilias)
As far as I know this scene was the last that got recorded and had to be repeated over 50 times for the movie.
DerSpartaner 9 months ago
he had alot of staminerm as you can see how he kept his composure throught the whole fight, and werent as worn out and tierd out as hecktor is, stamina+skill total domination, but if it was me, id have to pull out a shot gun onna nigga B)
odane9000 9 months ago
Achilles is actually using a lot of basic kung fu moves. And he uses them very well!
arcanemuses 9 months ago
i love achilles use of the shield most of all =) and his sword strikes. his fighting style is so smooth. he's too dam kool.
drseus808 9 months ago
He had Hector off balance the entire fight. Love it!
livion7 9 months ago
finish him!!! achilles wins! fatality!!!!
sirwhoresalot 9 months ago
If Helen stayed in the kitchen all the time, none of this would happen. History is full of interesting facts.
harrison28514 9 months ago 82
@harrison28514 Helen? You mean Paris.
Shob81 6 months ago
@harrison28514 Did they HAVE kitchens back then??? =O
yungmoney922 5 months ago
@yungmoney922 ... yes
lakai39 5 months ago
I really do hate that we have guns now.... I mean it makes things quicker but now they're so much less cool.... and so much less honourable.... (well not really the military gives honours and stuff like that but you know what i mean) and I'm not dissing the army or anything, I heard their training is tough as hell too.... i just seems so much less.... romantic i guess?
dunmakemekillu 10 months ago
@dunmakemekillu You do realize how horrible being chopped in half was you could get your arm cut off or leg and just be laying in a field bleeding out or dying from infection at least when you are shot its fast lol
lilsm555 9 months ago
@lilsm555 Yeah I guess...... but still....... I think it's cooler........ as painful as it may be hahahaha. The price of coolness I guess?
dunmakemekillu 9 months ago
Hector played by Eric Bana = Pure Awesomeness
SuperHeroMania 10 months ago
achilles fights like an assassin. every strike is intended to kill the enemy. Every blow is capable of killing through armor. That reminds me of Altair
Rivannous 10 months ago
Did Achillies break Hector's arm at 3:13? He's definetly holding it differently for the remainder of the fight.
Goatmonger1 10 months ago
That rock is a troll
sh4dowr3d 10 months ago
Look at that spears speed
TommyQ72 10 months ago
To reiterate my last thought, just go to Scaramouche Best Sword Fight Scene Ever Penned to see what I'm talking about. You can see every last thing that happens without the need of fancy camerawork.
dog1701 10 months ago
@dog1701 just watched the duel at Scaramouche, it is ok considering the fact that it´s from 1952 and is also done by the the actors without stunt doubles (as far as i could see). still i like this fight of Achilles & Hector better, this one is really for life & death and i find it much more dramatic.
the best sword fight i ever saw in a movie is from Rob Roy: the final duel between Rob Roy & Archibald Cunningham, that´s a really impressive, dramatic and (in my opinion) realistic fight.
harpiyon 10 months ago
I'm sorry, no offense, but how does anyone call this a great fight scene? It is filled with endless close-ups, cutaways, etc., etc,. etc. There is not one point in this segment where you see prolonged action of more than a second or two. No, instead it's cutaway to this, cutaway to that, which only indicates either sloppy filmmaking, actors who are totally incompetent for this type of scence, or both. Just compare this side side with any 40's swashbukler.
dog1701 10 months ago
@dog1701 well Pitt & Bana are actors not stuntmen, but they did this without stunt doubles, which is already remarkable. and then you can easily follow their movements in spite of all the cuts & close-ups, change of camera angle etc. you can reconstruct the complete choreography simply by watching ths.
there are much, much worse fight scenes where you can´t follow the movements of the fighters at all: it´s a confusing mash-up, you don´t know who´s doing what, how & when.
this one is not so bad.
harpiyon 10 months ago
@dog1701 Everythign amkes this scene great. You don't see Pitt and Bana you see Achilles and Hector. The music, the camera angles, it's all amazing. The tense nature makes this such a great scene. And prolonged action? The way they're fighting? That's how they actually fought back then, you can't continually fight, you'l become exhausted and lose. You have to conserve your energy, block shots and then wait for the right moment to strike.
fullmetalfunk 10 months ago
@fullmetalfunk i totally agree. when watching this for the first time (at cinema) i thought, wow that looks both cool & realistic, no fancy Kung Fu crap, but combat methods as described in the "Iliad": first the spears, then swords & shields: attack, parade, counter-attack, simultaneous attack & parade... so long until one manages to inflict a heavy blow on the other.
and yes, you really SEE Achilles & Hector here, which is remarkable considering one of them is actually Brad Pitt...
harpiyon 10 months ago
@harpiyon Exactly! It's really hard for me to watch a n actor like Brad Pitt in a movie and not see Brad Pitt (or more often i see Tyler Durden haha), not because he's not a great actor because he's amazing but just because he's sop well known but in a really good movie I don't see Pitt, I don't see Sean Penn, or whoever. I'm sucked in and I see the character they are portraying and this movie did that for me. I saw two men fighting to the death.
fullmetalfunk 10 months ago
@fullmetalfunk yeah that´s the quality of really good actors, they play many different parts: villains, heroes, smart people, idiots, winners, losers, lovers, lonely people etc. and they make each character look authentic & believable.
Brad Pitt played some remarkable parts, esp. as Tyler Durden & Rusty Ryan, maybe these were the parts of his life. However whenever I watch Troy, I see Achilles not Brad Pitt: he´s becoming 1 with the character, it´s just amazing to watch.
harpiyon 10 months ago
@harpiyon Couldn't agree more.
fullmetalfunk 10 months ago
@harpiyon Achilles is a better fighter...Hector is a better man.
fullmetalfunk 10 months ago
@fullmetalfunk i can´t realy tell who was a better fighter. they were all well-trained & efficient warriors: Ajax, Achilles, Hector, Aeneas, Diomedes, Philoctetes, Odysseus, Menelaus, Idomeneus, Sarpedon, Glaucus, Memnon. they were all good warriors but that happens when people fight for 10 years: after a while, some of them inevitably die. sometimes it´s just luck that one fighter overcomes the other.
it could´ve been possible, too, that Hector killed Achilles, and that Troy beat Greece.
harpiyon 10 months ago
@harpiyon you do realise that this is all made up dont you?
coolflame18 9 months ago
@coolflame18 to be honest, i´m not sure about that. these tales are many thousands of years old; by that time they were sung by bards for the entertainment of the nobility (e.g. at their feasts & banquets)
there are many legends & stories about the Trojan War, the ones by Homer are only a part of it
maybe some incidents were different (esp. the Gods helping people), this was added for the embellishment of the stories
still, i think the Trojan War really took place & most heroes really lived
harpiyon 9 months ago
@harpiyon could of been true but defiantly blown out of proportion like everything else that was handed down thousands of years.
lilsm555 9 months ago
@lilsm555 yes but still it´s better than nothing, isn´t it.
Heinrich Schliemann knew only the legends. he believed in them, saved a lot of money & started doing archaeological expeditions (from his own finances). and in the end he really found the historic Troy.
he was the first one who proved that it´s not only legend.
the legends might be out of proportion but they´re definitely based on true incidents.
harpiyon 9 months ago
Spears is a long range weapon, its unwealdly in close range. The shields are way to big and heavy to be used in close range combat with swords that small.
madsli 10 months ago
Ahaha, this fight it's absolutely ridiculous. They never hits open spots, the target only shields and opponents sword and they do turnarounds!! Try to stand in front of somebody armed with a sword and do a turnaround a see what happens!
Rimpianto 10 months ago
I´ve read the original Iliad by Homer and some modern renarrations about the Tojan War and I must admit I liked the movie even if there were some discrepancies to the original story.
but this one scene made up for all of it, I always imagined Achilles and Hector having a great fight. when you watch Pitt & Bana you really understand: these were 2 of the greatest warriors of their time, 2 men in their prime, driven by passion & glory and having nothing to lose.
one of the best fight scenes ever.
harpiyon 10 months ago
this srsly is the best fight ive seen in afilm
junkevin 11 months ago
I agree that this is a superlative sword fight scene, but I would disagree with the logic that a good fight scene makes the film more praiseworthy. Star Wars Episode I had the best lightsaber fight of the franchise (in my opinion), but that alone doesn't compensate for poor writing and pacing.
A high-caliber action scene would probably make a film more worth buying or more worth watching, but I think it's enough to praise the fight scene without necessarily extending it to the entire film.
RobinHood3000 11 months ago
@RobinHood3000
I agree.
The fight looks cool, but the movie had better parts. Arguably I believe the best part of this entire fight is the dialogue between Pitt and Bana, because of how well it establishes their character's personalities and actions.
TheBType 10 months ago
@RobinHood3000
On a secondary note, I feel the need to praise your usage of actual logic: it isn't usually found on internet sites like youtube.
I award you with a medal of internet excellence for being a gentleman and an intelligent fellow.
TheBType 10 months ago
there were so many times the blondie could've nailed him before he did
ihateusernamemaking 11 months ago
y the heck do they have shields with the spears? u can easily see it hinders them. spears are two-handed weapons. but they still were amazing
ihateusernamemaking 11 months ago
@ihateusernamemaking Have you never watched 300. That will answer your question why you use sheilds