How exactly can there be more macromolecules of DNA in the universe than there are atoms? Besides, he has the number of atoms wrong; it's about 10^80, which is much, much more than the 10^9 or so than he claims, or the 10^24 macromolecules of DNA there apparently are...
Everyone knows that if I make that claim that there's a magical green dragon in my garage, it'd be up to me to prove it; otherwise it's untrue. It's not up to everyone else to disprove it. Yet, this common sense completely vanishes when religious people talk about their own religion. All of a sudden, it's my job to disprove your god rather than your job to prove that he exist. This suspension of common sense is one of the reasons why religion is dangerous and should be discouraged.
No need to mock the mailer. Why even do this? Instead, try to encourage people to write letters to the show, not discourage them by mocking the grammar of the letter. Perhaps the mailer was a non-american.
I'm not saying you should not correct the mailer, just do it constructively.
Im sure some people have a serious problem with dyslexia, but IMHO, same with ADD, most who say or are "diagnosed" with these problems are just fucking lazy and stupid.
I wonder what this has to do with "promoting positive atheism and the separation of church and state". Nothing I guess, just another "see how smart we are" ego massage.
@sptfgpn - Why isn't it acceptable? It's their television show. The solution to not being made fun of because of their errors is to not make the errors in the first place. Them being made fun of for it will cause them to be more cautious of their errors so they'll be motivated not to make them again.
@sptfgpn Seriously? The big problem is not the atrocious grammar, but the content. Putting exclamation marks everywhere is a clear indicator that the writer has the language skills of a five-year-old. Also I think you are insulting dyslexic people by saying that they tend to write that hideously. They don't.
@sptfgpn - Yes, but it's very unlikely that the person is dyslexic. You have no idea how many people nowadays are just too lazy to add punctuation or correct spelling/grammar. Especially when it comes to e-mails or any other form of communication over the internet.
If this guys email did one thing, it forced into my mind the image of Earth shooting a massive DNA load all over the cosmos. I think that's a rare accomplishment in itself.
So we have two overweight males, sitting and picking apart another person's grammar, whilst both of them fail to account for the fact that the vast majority of the planet believes in a god of some sort. Well...bravo, I guess. you've proven that you can make jokes. Scoff all you want, because as far as your ideology is concerned, you're destined for dirt, and nothing but it!
@kungfujellybean Fail to account for the fact that the vast majority of the world is theist? I've never seen them deny this. In fact, they usually acknowledge it handily, albeit with a soft scowl on their faces. I also got a kick out of you telling them what their ideology is, that was a good joke. It was a joke, right?
@spiderpig85 Well, that was never my plan. I humbly hope that God Almighty will grant me the opportunity to make due in this life. I've been led, to a surplus of work as of late, and I can't be more thankful to my God. Bless you, my brother.
@kungfujellybean I sincerely appreciate your thought behind that 'blessing', but if you truly believe in Christianity, give all your surplus to the homeless and the unfortunate, for that is Christianity. The problem I have with Christians is that none of you live by the ideals that your deity, Jesus Christ, advocated. You are a hypocrite.
@dycarbon1 I disagree. Video games can easily make a great, positive impact of reading and complex thinking skills, at least in learning children. I attribute much of my advancement in school to the things I learned while playing video games. Kids playing video games are reading, solving puzzles, doing math, etc., much more than kids participating in most other hobbies. IMO, so many are illiterate, because our educational system is slacking.
@BeforeTheNoose: Yep! Washington state no less! It was a very very small town. Remember, we're the country that has a very popular "creationist museum".
Wel, I am from a third world country and let me tell you that in his third world country, people is not even near the degree of religious stupidity and blind faith of the USA, your great first world country, ruled by silly christians.
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a self-righteous and non-objective bunch of self -appointed guardian of Truth. scientific theories taught in schools as Principles of Truth have been known to get deleted because of "new discoveries"- these aren't really NEW.
TRUTH has been around forever.
Imagine :On the last day of scientific discovery and athetists finally climb to top of mountain TRUTH. old man keeper of the Truth says " prefer the tough and treacherous journey, guys?"the party's over!
Problem is, many of the claims of religion have been debunked (by science). So clearly, religion *isn't* sitting on the mountaintop with all the answers already.
"a self-righteous and non-objective bunch of self -appointed guardian of Truth.." A perfect description of priests
Scientific theories, Principles of Truth? What are you talking about?
That scientific knowledge is altered by new evidence is what makes it science, not dogma; observation & seeking knowledge
Compare: "I've got this bronze age book... Oh wait, this part has been disproved. And this.. and.. Er, ok, that's metaphor then but the REST of it is literally true!"
If you are going to pretend to be a scientist, LEARN SCIENTIFIC NOTATION. "Trillions to the second power" is a dead giveaway you are a liar, and not an ESL immigrant. Math is a global language.
evolutionist: We know all forces of nature and trace the universe to 10 e-45 seconds after the big bang. We create big bangs in colliders. We saw a god no where.
creationist: But there could be. You dont know everything. Now do everything i tell you or i ll have you killed for heresy.
Pointing out someone is lying is not an ad hominem attack. I don't think they're too concerned about engendering sympathy from theists. They in fact do debunk his claims, even though his writing clearly shows that he is not what he claims he is. They even mention Gb Shaws line, which I love.
I don't disagree that the writer put himself out there to ridicule but they should have acknowledged the fact and left it at that.
They undermine their own arguments (far superior to those of the writer) by relying on ad hominem attacks.
They would have engendered more sympathy for their cause had they simply addressed the idea that someone with such credentials should be able to express his/her ideas more clearly.
They shouldn't have reinforced the stereotype of the know-it-all atheist.
Well, they have the right to make their show entertaining, and if it means making fun of someone confidentially in the process, I don't see the harm. I mean the people who call up could be in wheelchairs.
If their callers are in wheelchairs, they don't ridicule them for it, they just ridicule their arguments. Why should they ridicule this person for anything other than their arguments?
And if they ridiculed the callers FOR being in wheelchairs would that be entertainment as well?
This is just sophistry on both of our parts but I don't find stereotype-advancing pomposity nearly as entertaining as forthright debate that acknowledges and moves past the one sides shortcomings.
No I can't. I used the term ad hominem in a less specific way than you indicate; in that they attacked him more for his grammar and spelling than for his logic. In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have used that term and apologize for any resulting confusion but my point remains the same.
I'm certainly not defending the guy who wrote in. I think he is disingenuous and wrong but these guys had an opportunity to show that the atheist world view rises far above mockery and they blew it.
An ad hominem is attacking someones character instead of making an argument. If you have arguments and on top of that also point out character flaws it's not an ad hominem.
An ad hominem would be saying to someone "You're wrong because you're an idiot" but you can say "You're wrong because of ... And you're also an idiot" and that wouldn't be an ad hominem because the insult doesn't replace an argument.
Yes, that's a good example of what an ad hom is but I think it's equally important for people to know what's not an ad hom.
If the man had said "You're an idiot, that idea won't work because we would crash into the water and get taken by the currents" then it wouldn't be an ad hom since the insult didn't replace the argument for why the woman was wrong.
I'm an English professor and I couldn't agree more. I think they have good things to say but I wouldn't have thrown those mistakes in the writer's face like that.
They really are not throwing it in the writers face (if you are referring to the vid). I say this because they are not calling out the person by name. They are simply picking him apart because he is trying to use his education level to establish credibility in his argument. If one is to use their level of education to establish ones credibility, then they have fully gave permission for that claim to be scrutinized along with the argument. Peace out my Irish bro.
What if he's Spanish and wrote a very eloquent argument but put it through a translation site for the benefit of Matt?
What if he's a brilliant philosopher who was in a terrible car accident and the resulting brain trauma caused damage to his Wernick's Area or gave him Broca's Aphasia?
As free thinkers, we should do better than assuming stupidity no matter how likely.
A learned atheist must admit that they can't prove the absence of God. Why should they judge human's more harshly?
I agree with you. I don't think I've argued against that point and if I did it was inadvertent and I apologize.
My contention is that they could have made less of a big deal about his spelling, punctuation, etc. I listed a few possible, although improbable, reasons for such sloppy wording and I would have respected them even more than I already do had they made that less of an integral part of their counterargument.
@leporidus Actully you atheists do have to prove more than christians do. You have to prove that god did not create everything around us, including us. Actully I don't even why i am bothering to say anything to you atheists because you'll just try to say something back that i have to prove wrong again.
".They are just immature. The dude that wrote this might not have been from an english-speaking country. Have some manners "
So people who can't speak English don't know the basic rules of punctuation, to start sentences with a capital and to use paragraphs? Also that doesn't detract from the content of the letter which in itself is moronic.
"if big bang is correct then god is the impact of two asteroids"
People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs
christ you are missing the whole point. It was not his grammar nor language that really mattered in this discussion since the topic was about atheism not a spelling competition so it was therefore totally irrelevant to bring that up.
"...not a spelling competition so it was therefore totally irrelevant to bring that up."
Its not totally irrelevant though. If someone has the grammatical ability of a 4 year old, and isn't one, then it provides some notion of the sort of intellect you're dealing with. Quite frankly if you write into a TV prog, lie in your letter, and over use the already diluted "!" then what do you expect? Respect isn't a default, it has to be earned and the author certainly hasn't earned any...continued..
..continued...People who go around moaning about others being "rude" is also a personal annoyance. You have the right to feel offended and thats where your rights end. I notice you don't think that the authors' statement...
"atheism is a belief just as satanism is..belief in ones self!"
...is rude. I also noticed you don't seem to be offended that this guy is most certainly lying in order to try and further his point.
Bad grammar and spelling don't make someone an idiot.
What makes this person a PROFOUND idiot is the UNBELIEVABLE DELUSION that he could convincingly claim to be a "scientist."
Conclusion: religion ever waits, with open arms, to welcome the stupid, ignorant, and deluded....
OTOH, if you wish to have a serious interest in science you MUST give up most delusions, you MUST dispel much of your ignorance, and you DO have to shape up your thinking skills....
"...you MUST give up most delusions, you MUST dispel much of your ignorance..."
or at least be willing to admit they could be wrong. you can hold them, as long as you still follow the evidence.
for example, kepler believed certain shapes played a roll in the universe (the perfect polygons, or whatever). he eventually found out that they did not explain what he saw, so he went with the evidence. he still wanted them to apply, and tried to find a way, but he did not let it change his result.
Right, but Kepler's "mistake" as you describe it was not stupidity, ignorance OR delusion....it was simply a wrong hypothesis. ACCEPTING that one starts with hypotheses in science, which aren't much more than guesses, is something positive about science. It's an ADMISSION that we don't KNOW, but that we're starting out, at best, with an "educated" guess about things.
There's NOTHING like that in religion. Statements are simply handed down as absolute, inviolable truth--from the start.
I think using two periods after a sentence basically entails that this guy is either an idiot of the most easily identifiable case of poe's law I know.
I think they did that because the person also claimed to be a scientist. Scientists should be educated enough to write better than that. As well as if you can use a computer well enough to send an email you can use spell check.
Dude, am i doing science atm? Nooooeeez i am not! I was explaining that in order to make sience that is acceptable, you have to use very accurate explainations and observations.....
oh and its spelled: Ok, if we have to BE accurate......
like mirror your lol back RAWFLMAW!
But dear friend, your channel states United Kingdom, they actually speak english there, you should be able to remember you own Grammer? :D
There are so many jackasses here that only believes in christendom because they have never really thought about it being real or not, and the damn church is bringing kids into it AT SCHOOL several times every year.. And the non-christian kids gets looked at like outsiders when their parents are nice enough to let them stay home.
You have to remember that there is no seperation of church and state here, so the school can have all the religious celebration they want.
Did you hear about the atheists handing out earplugs to the children being forced to go to church? The priest commented to the papers; "It doesn't matter, we have really good microphones and speakers."
Playing the sermon loud enough to go through earplugs should be damaging enough to the kids to be ILLEGAL.
I suggest all of you read the link to the actual letter, this person is a comedic genius.*sorry I meant !* I am still laughing. This is a person who believes the big bang states the universe was created by a collision of two asteroids, and then attempts disprove it by saying collision between asteroids happen all the time. Surely this a child. No center of learning could have an ignoramus of this caliber as a product of years of scientific research.
All your logic are belong to us.
morganmichaelp 2 weeks ago in playlist The Atheist Experience
god out of town in a vacation..he ll be back soon..dont question his existance..
joe744 3 weeks ago
god is nothing..we are nothing..there for god exist..
joe744 3 weeks ago
I been had Jesus.
auroraman56 1 month ago
How exactly can there be more macromolecules of DNA in the universe than there are atoms? Besides, he has the number of atoms wrong; it's about 10^80, which is much, much more than the 10^9 or so than he claims, or the 10^24 macromolecules of DNA there apparently are...
ianmathwiz7 1 month ago
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venomfanex 2 months ago
I am a biochemist and I assure everyone that this idiot has never picked up a science text book in his life
ibreathexcellence 2 months ago
I've seen this so many times, and that part about DNA splattered through-out the universe gets funnier every time.
GuacamoleKun 4 months ago
Everyone knows that if I make that claim that there's a magical green dragon in my garage, it'd be up to me to prove it; otherwise it's untrue. It's not up to everyone else to disprove it. Yet, this common sense completely vanishes when religious people talk about their own religion. All of a sudden, it's my job to disprove your god rather than your job to prove that he exist. This suspension of common sense is one of the reasons why religion is dangerous and should be discouraged.
Jayjs20 5 months ago
That person may actually have some kind of psychological diagnosis or brain damage... makes the letter less funny I have to say
faarsight 7 months ago 2
@faarsight yeah he thinks theres a god thats his psychological diagnosis or brain damage.
stevenut88 4 months ago
"Let's just bask in that visual, folks". Haha! Gold.
monster762 7 months ago
I. ARE, SIENTIZT!
Multimorten 7 months ago 3
No need to mock the mailer. Why even do this? Instead, try to encourage people to write letters to the show, not discourage them by mocking the grammar of the letter. Perhaps the mailer was a non-american.
I'm not saying you should not correct the mailer, just do it constructively.
sam91004 7 months ago
Can i read that letter somewhere?
horbergus 7 months ago
Matt Dillahunty... I love you!!.... No homo... Not that there's anything wrong with that... I'm going to stop now... o.O
ah64bobby 8 months ago
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BURN IN HELL FOREVER OR BELIEVE IN JESUS
fuckmania07 8 months ago
"WE worry about your children and their future" hahah, well played, Martin.
woxiedowg 9 months ago
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@everyyone Jesus loves you no matter your oppinon. GODBLESS YOU ALL♥♥♥♥♥
xKoruunx 9 months ago
KISS THE COW!
MrYouremyhero 9 months ago
haha XD "Trillions to the second power of DNA splattered everywhere"
Richy15251 11 months ago
Ha Ha Ha! As soon as he kissed the cow, it keeled over. Matt has the kiss of death.
YesYou123333 11 months ago
"There's the cow again." muah
jebman18 11 months ago
Im sure some people have a serious problem with dyslexia, but IMHO, same with ADD, most who say or are "diagnosed" with these problems are just fucking lazy and stupid.
roont 11 months ago
Hahaha! Funniest show ever!
cinamonrocknroll1 11 months ago
I wonder what this has to do with "promoting positive atheism and the separation of church and state". Nothing I guess, just another "see how smart we are" ego massage.
pompousprick 1 year ago
No, it isn't. Lies can be challenged in a direct manner.
sptfgpn 1 year ago
Sneering at those with literacy problems isn't good.
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn is if they're downright liars.
raverdeath100 1 year ago
@sptfgpn - It's entertaining. It shows how uneducated those people are who are writing them those letters.
Critic863 1 year ago
@Critic863 That isn't a good way to conduct a debate. "Uneducated" people have as much right to an opinion as anyone else.
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn - I never said they didn't. It just makes it much harder to take them seriously where there's countless grammatical and spelling errors.
Critic863 1 year ago
@Critic863 It doesn't necessarily follow that it's acceptable to ridicule someone for the spelling and grammatical errors they've made.
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn - Why isn't it acceptable? It's their television show. The solution to not being made fun of because of their errors is to not make the errors in the first place. Them being made fun of for it will cause them to be more cautious of their errors so they'll be motivated not to make them again.
Critic863 1 year ago
@Critic863 Maybe they can't help it. It's not that easy for some people.
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn - Anyone can help spelling and grammar. It just depends how much they want to help it.
Critic863 1 year ago
@Critic863 I disagree. It's a serious problem that millions of people struggle with to varying degrees.
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn - If he can type out words, then adding punctuation and using spellcheck shouldn't be too much of an addition.
Critic863 1 year ago
@Critic863 It would be interesting to hear from someone with dyslexia to see if that would work for them. I, suspect not..
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn - And what exactly are the odds that this person who wrote to them was dyslexic and not just plain lazy?
Critic863 1 year ago
@Critic863 How is one to know? Why risk offending someone who might be trying their utmost?
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn - Because the odds are in their favor.
Critic863 1 year ago
@Critic863 You seem to be acknowledging that it would be unacceptable to ridicule the letter writer, if he was known to have dyslexia.
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn Seriously? The big problem is not the atrocious grammar, but the content. Putting exclamation marks everywhere is a clear indicator that the writer has the language skills of a five-year-old. Also I think you are insulting dyslexic people by saying that they tend to write that hideously. They don't.
silverstream314 1 year ago
@silverstream314 I would never disrespect or insult anyone because they have dyslexia. There are enough people in the world doing that already.
sptfgpn 1 year ago
@sptfgpn - Yes, but it's very unlikely that the person is dyslexic. You have no idea how many people nowadays are just too lazy to add punctuation or correct spelling/grammar. Especially when it comes to e-mails or any other form of communication over the internet.
Critic863 1 year ago
wow , didn't know splatted was a scientify term , lulz
jmm1233 1 year ago
feel the power of moohamed
Flagmaster4ever 1 year ago
Atheism predates religion?? Epic...
alletiderz 1 year ago
"...facts to back up beliefs..."
Brilliant...just brilliant...an admission of indoctrination if ever there was one...
faithisfiction 1 year ago
Once again, The Atheists win!
alwerks1 1 year ago
wow they gotta make fun of just about everyone!
brittanymaywhite 1 year ago
You can hear the people in the booth laughing throughout. This guy's DNA count is a splattered trillion to the power of OVER 9000!!!!
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago
I've always wondered why do believers tend to use "atheist" as plural. I guess it comes with the mental disability package.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
i ar an sientist!!!
paulmag91 1 year ago 12
What would He-man say if he was a christian?
"I have the second power of DNA!"
Crossbowman 1 year ago 2
That's gotta be a troll e-mail.
KrakkaJax 1 year ago 4
"To the second power of DNA"
O
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superwowie111 1 year ago 4
If this guys email did one thing, it forced into my mind the image of Earth shooting a massive DNA load all over the cosmos. I think that's a rare accomplishment in itself.
F33bs 1 year ago 10
@F33bs ironically that gave me a boner....
YourTypoFriend67 1 year ago
exclamation point!
lulz :)
CrypticMantisTX55 1 year ago
So we have two overweight males, sitting and picking apart another person's grammar, whilst both of them fail to account for the fact that the vast majority of the planet believes in a god of some sort. Well...bravo, I guess. you've proven that you can make jokes. Scoff all you want, because as far as your ideology is concerned, you're destined for dirt, and nothing but it!
kungfujellybean 1 year ago
@kungfujellybean So YOU sent that email? Hilarious! Keep them coming!
XXIstCenturyBoy 1 year ago
@kungfujellybean Fail to account for the fact that the vast majority of the world is theist? I've never seen them deny this. In fact, they usually acknowledge it handily, albeit with a soft scowl on their faces. I also got a kick out of you telling them what their ideology is, that was a good joke. It was a joke, right?
Pinworm4 1 year ago
@kungfujellybean And you are destined for greatness?
spiderpig85 1 year ago
@spiderpig85 Well, that was never my plan. I humbly hope that God Almighty will grant me the opportunity to make due in this life. I've been led, to a surplus of work as of late, and I can't be more thankful to my God. Bless you, my brother.
kungfujellybean 1 year ago
@kungfujellybean I sincerely appreciate your thought behind that 'blessing', but if you truly believe in Christianity, give all your surplus to the homeless and the unfortunate, for that is Christianity. The problem I have with Christians is that none of you live by the ideals that your deity, Jesus Christ, advocated. You are a hypocrite.
spiderpig85 1 year ago
It's obvious that this person does not speak English as a first language or that they used an online translator.
baeritukaez 1 year ago
@baeritukaez
Lol not really. Most Americans (and I'm not generalising) have really poor literacy skills.
That's what you get from playing xbox all day long.
dycarbon1 1 year ago
@dycarbon1, i got literate from playing games online. kinda funny
eldeberry 1 year ago
@dycarbon1 I disagree. Video games can easily make a great, positive impact of reading and complex thinking skills, at least in learning children. I attribute much of my advancement in school to the things I learned while playing video games. Kids playing video games are reading, solving puzzles, doing math, etc., much more than kids participating in most other hobbies. IMO, so many are illiterate, because our educational system is slacking.
SeveredFootLoki 1 year ago 2
I refuse to believe that a human being can be this stupid.
Experiment47 2 years ago 5
Oh believe it, I used to live in a town full of people like this.
calmbluewaters 2 years ago 3
@calmbluewaters Really?! Is that in America?
BeforeTheNoose 1 year ago
@BeforeTheNoose: Yep! Washington state no less! It was a very very small town. Remember, we're the country that has a very popular "creationist museum".
calmbluewaters 1 year ago
@Experiment47
u got a lot to learn, son.
sammygee17 1 year ago
@Experiment47 there creationists, our common ancestor with chimps lol i couldnt resist
patrickledford420 1 year ago
oh wait i read KingofNH's comment below. ya, definately not a scientist.
LuminousTruth 2 years ago
maybe this scientist is from a really messed up third world country?
LuminousTruth 2 years ago
Wel, I am from a third world country and let me tell you that in his third world country, people is not even near the degree of religious stupidity and blind faith of the USA, your great first world country, ruled by silly christians.
davidbrun 2 years ago
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a self-righteous and non-objective bunch of self -appointed guardian of Truth. scientific theories taught in schools as Principles of Truth have been known to get deleted because of "new discoveries"- these aren't really NEW.
TRUTH has been around forever.
Imagine :On the last day of scientific discovery and athetists finally climb to top of mountain TRUTH. old man keeper of the Truth says " prefer the tough and treacherous journey, guys?"the party's over!
sungl0 2 years ago
Problem is, many of the claims of religion have been debunked (by science). So clearly, religion *isn't* sitting on the mountaintop with all the answers already.
It only *thinks* it is.
jursamaj 2 years ago 65
Are you the author of the letter Matt have read ? Just to know...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
@sungl0
"a self-righteous and non-objective bunch of self -appointed guardian of Truth.." A perfect description of priests
Scientific theories, Principles of Truth? What are you talking about?
That scientific knowledge is altered by new evidence is what makes it science, not dogma; observation & seeking knowledge
Compare: "I've got this bronze age book... Oh wait, this part has been disproved. And this.. and.. Er, ok, that's metaphor then but the REST of it is literally true!"
queenastilon 2 years ago 6
This letter had to be a joke. There's no way that the guy who wrote the letter is that stupid.
mlane120 2 years ago 2
Come now, you've been on YT for over 3 years. You *know* people can be that stupid.
jursamaj 2 years ago 4
You give to much credit to idiots and the absolute deepness of their stupidity... ^^
Acrimonator 2 years ago
A helping hand for creationists:
If you are going to pretend to be a scientist, LEARN SCIENTIFIC NOTATION. "Trillions to the second power" is a dead giveaway you are a liar, and not an ESL immigrant. Math is a global language.
KingofNH 2 years ago 8
...ah sed ahza 'sine-tayist' cuz ah myks sines on tay shurts doan atchda feed stoor...
compvm33 2 years ago
...i think a drunken rant by someone who got a c- in hagh skuul bollogee
compvm33 2 years ago 2
creationist: I am god, do what i tell you
evolutionist: We know all forces of nature and trace the universe to 10 e-45 seconds after the big bang. We create big bangs in colliders. We saw a god no where.
creationist: But there could be. You dont know everything. Now do everything i tell you or i ll have you killed for heresy.
NEVER. F4ck 4LL you CREATIONISTS. Shove it!!
omnissient 2 years ago 8
amazingly this guy is probably one of the intellectual heavyweights of the creationist world
mambuduomally 2 years ago 7
what is the email address so i could send my letters too. Because im a big atheist.
ms420man 2 years ago 4
Pointing out someone is lying is not an ad hominem attack. I don't think they're too concerned about engendering sympathy from theists. They in fact do debunk his claims, even though his writing clearly shows that he is not what he claims he is. They even mention Gb Shaws line, which I love.
MFFJM2 2 years ago 2
I don't disagree that the writer put himself out there to ridicule but they should have acknowledged the fact and left it at that.
They undermine their own arguments (far superior to those of the writer) by relying on ad hominem attacks.
They would have engendered more sympathy for their cause had they simply addressed the idea that someone with such credentials should be able to express his/her ideas more clearly.
They shouldn't have reinforced the stereotype of the know-it-all atheist.
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
Well, they have the right to make their show entertaining, and if it means making fun of someone confidentially in the process, I don't see the harm. I mean the people who call up could be in wheelchairs.
controllerbrain 2 years ago
If their callers are in wheelchairs, they don't ridicule them for it, they just ridicule their arguments. Why should they ridicule this person for anything other than their arguments?
And if they ridiculed the callers FOR being in wheelchairs would that be entertainment as well?
This is just sophistry on both of our parts but I don't find stereotype-advancing pomposity nearly as entertaining as forthright debate that acknowledges and moves past the one sides shortcomings.
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
Could you point out any ad hominem arguments they made?
Arkalius80 2 years ago
No I can't. I used the term ad hominem in a less specific way than you indicate; in that they attacked him more for his grammar and spelling than for his logic. In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have used that term and apologize for any resulting confusion but my point remains the same.
I'm certainly not defending the guy who wrote in. I think he is disingenuous and wrong but these guys had an opportunity to show that the atheist world view rises far above mockery and they blew it.
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
An ad hominem is attacking someones character instead of making an argument. If you have arguments and on top of that also point out character flaws it's not an ad hominem.
An ad hominem would be saying to someone "You're wrong because you're an idiot" but you can say "You're wrong because of ... And you're also an idiot" and that wouldn't be an ad hominem because the insult doesn't replace an argument.
ingsve 2 years ago
Did you read my last post?
Do so now.
Yeah.
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
That sounds about right, but the Ad Hominem is better explained with a small story.
Two people are walking next to a river, both of them want to get to the other side of the river but there isn't any obious solution.
These people are a man and a woman, one's a christian and the other is an atheist.
The woman suddenly comes up with an idea. She shares her idea with the man.
He shoots that idea down with "That idea will never work because you're a (Blah/woman)".
Here the person is attacked.
sabertooth1980 2 years ago
Yes, that's a good example of what an ad hom is but I think it's equally important for people to know what's not an ad hom.
If the man had said "You're an idiot, that idea won't work because we would crash into the water and get taken by the currents" then it wouldn't be an ad hom since the insult didn't replace the argument for why the woman was wrong.
ingsve 2 years ago
By adding the reason why it wouldn't work, he's no longer attacking the person who is pushing the idea, but pointing out the flaws in the idea.
Explaining on how to correct logical fallacies is a good idea....
Proper identification and being able to rebuke logical fallacies is very important, we should make a video about it.
sabertooth1980 2 years ago
I don't believe for a second that the writer was a foreign scientist....
What the hell would a scientist from another country, with barely a grasp of English, be doing watching a cable access show from America?
Personally I think its just a religious goofball... the US if filled with them, also there are a lot of folks here that are *quite* illiterate.
Nihm420 2 years ago 3
Yes, Nihm. Illiterate and totally unacquainted with spelling and rudimentary punctuation.
Must be all that "hoem skooling."
Turandot29 2 years ago
I'm an English professor and I couldn't agree more. I think they have good things to say but I wouldn't have thrown those mistakes in the writer's face like that.
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
They really are not throwing it in the writers face (if you are referring to the vid). I say this because they are not calling out the person by name. They are simply picking him apart because he is trying to use his education level to establish credibility in his argument. If one is to use their level of education to establish ones credibility, then they have fully gave permission for that claim to be scrutinized along with the argument. Peace out my Irish bro.
daobagua 2 years ago
Why not? He deserved it.
controllerbrain 2 years ago
What if he's Spanish and wrote a very eloquent argument but put it through a translation site for the benefit of Matt?
What if he's a brilliant philosopher who was in a terrible car accident and the resulting brain trauma caused damage to his Wernick's Area or gave him Broca's Aphasia?
As free thinkers, we should do better than assuming stupidity no matter how likely.
A learned atheist must admit that they can't prove the absence of God. Why should they judge human's more harshly?
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
Thing is: we atheists are not the ones who make positive claims about deities; we therefore don't have the burden of proof.
leporidus 2 years ago 92
I agree with you. I don't think I've argued against that point and if I did it was inadvertent and I apologize.
My contention is that they could have made less of a big deal about his spelling, punctuation, etc. I listed a few possible, although improbable, reasons for such sloppy wording and I would have respected them even more than I already do had they made that less of an integral part of their counterargument.
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
@leporidus yet you need TV shouting down to believers. Insecurity at its greatest
dhide14 1 year ago
@leporidus Actully you atheists do have to prove more than christians do. You have to prove that god did not create everything around us, including us. Actully I don't even why i am bothering to say anything to you atheists because you'll just try to say something back that i have to prove wrong again.
DryHeeves 6 months ago
@DryHeeves So Christians don't have to prove anything? It's up to atheists to prove a negative?
roxyosox122 5 months ago
@DryHeeves BULLSHIT. Don't play Shockofgod here, you'll be destroyed.
NUTCASE71733 3 months ago
@DryHeeves No, YOU have to prove that God DID create everything, and you would have to start by proving that God exists in the first place.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 3 months ago
@Makingnewnamesisdumb Well put. And nice name. :D
Crunchy68 2 months ago
@Crunchy68 Thanks. You have a nice name, too, but you look like you'd be more chewy than crunchy.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 2 months ago
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duhhh matt,,, this was a prank...and you failed...good job e-mailer!
348Frate 2 years ago
I agree. Play the ball guys , not the man
hector3222 2 years ago 2
like a really bad fan fiction
jmm1233 2 years ago 2
Who knew ee cummings was a creationist? :-P
withoutasong 2 years ago 3
lol I'm thinking this has to be a prank letter
tremapar 2 years ago 2
he probably is from another country
but that doesn't change the fact that he says stupid crap
grammar doesn't matter here its what he is trying to say that makes him stupid
yahyahtoopy 2 years ago
Yup, another country.
You're from outside the U.S., right?
TheLastCoolName 2 years ago
maybe a texan creationist
flamethrowerabc 2 years ago 3
this is def a prank
sammygee17 2 years ago
Haha, the writer thinks there are more DNA strands than atoms
tommyk77 2 years ago
zz..They are just immature. The dude that wrote this might not have been from an english-speaking country. Have some manners
fungeh 2 years ago
So therefor he's unable to capitalize and punctate?
O1sen 2 years ago
".They are just immature. The dude that wrote this might not have been from an english-speaking country. Have some manners "
So people who can't speak English don't know the basic rules of punctuation, to start sentences with a capital and to use paragraphs? Also that doesn't detract from the content of the letter which in itself is moronic.
"if big bang is correct then god is the impact of two asteroids"
People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs
BeforeTheNoose 2 years ago 2
christ you are missing the whole point. It was not his grammar nor language that really mattered in this discussion since the topic was about atheism not a spelling competition so it was therefore totally irrelevant to bring that up.
fungeh 2 years ago 3
"...not a spelling competition so it was therefore totally irrelevant to bring that up."
Its not totally irrelevant though. If someone has the grammatical ability of a 4 year old, and isn't one, then it provides some notion of the sort of intellect you're dealing with. Quite frankly if you write into a TV prog, lie in your letter, and over use the already diluted "!" then what do you expect? Respect isn't a default, it has to be earned and the author certainly hasn't earned any...continued..
BeforeTheNoose 2 years ago 2
..continued...People who go around moaning about others being "rude" is also a personal annoyance. You have the right to feel offended and thats where your rights end. I notice you don't think that the authors' statement...
"atheism is a belief just as satanism is..belief in ones self!"
...is rude. I also noticed you don't seem to be offended that this guy is most certainly lying in order to try and further his point.
BeforeTheNoose 2 years ago 2
"Scientist" can refer to so many positions.. It'd be nice to know what sort of scientist that writer is.
pienipaha 2 years ago
Bad grammar and spelling don't make someone an idiot.
What makes this person a PROFOUND idiot is the UNBELIEVABLE DELUSION that he could convincingly claim to be a "scientist."
Conclusion: religion ever waits, with open arms, to welcome the stupid, ignorant, and deluded....
OTOH, if you wish to have a serious interest in science you MUST give up most delusions, you MUST dispel much of your ignorance, and you DO have to shape up your thinking skills....
GetMeThere1 2 years ago 4
"...you MUST give up most delusions, you MUST dispel much of your ignorance..."
or at least be willing to admit they could be wrong. you can hold them, as long as you still follow the evidence.
for example, kepler believed certain shapes played a roll in the universe (the perfect polygons, or whatever). he eventually found out that they did not explain what he saw, so he went with the evidence. he still wanted them to apply, and tried to find a way, but he did not let it change his result.
JackWisps 2 years ago
Right, but Kepler's "mistake" as you describe it was not stupidity, ignorance OR delusion....it was simply a wrong hypothesis. ACCEPTING that one starts with hypotheses in science, which aren't much more than guesses, is something positive about science. It's an ADMISSION that we don't KNOW, but that we're starting out, at best, with an "educated" guess about things.
There's NOTHING like that in religion. Statements are simply handed down as absolute, inviolable truth--from the start.
GetMeThere1 2 years ago
I think using two periods after a sentence basically entails that this guy is either an idiot of the most easily identifiable case of poe's law I know.
thepoo1234 2 years ago
it does if they cant click on the spellcheck button!
........
Pavarotti4eva 2 years ago
No way, that is a fake Email. It is too good/stupid to be true! Like the other with the banana that proofs the existence of god.
I think just in this moment someone sits at home and is laughing his ass off. :-D
BitaminaTek 2 years ago
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God is my lord and savior
Oh help me spead your name jesus
Died on the cross for all our sins
Im alive with the word of god
Save the word with the help of scripture
Fear nothing
All accept jesus into your heart
Keep remembering his death for us
Everybody praise the lord
MrAvenged 2 years ago
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I agree with their science but attacking his grammer and spelling is just annoying
Militant000Marxist 3 years ago
I think they did that because the person also claimed to be a scientist. Scientists should be educated enough to write better than that. As well as if you can use a computer well enough to send an email you can use spell check.
xrw175p6mq4 2 years ago 2
How you present an argument is relevant, and repeated problems with the English language decreases credibility.
rdccdr801 2 years ago
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spiritslain 2 years ago
Dude, in science and argumenting.... YOU HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY ACCURATE!!!!! if not, then you have SHIT!... sorry, Science only accepts the accurate..
C0ldhead 2 years ago
Ok if we have to accurate; correct your grammer. lol
Militant000Marxist 2 years ago
Dude, am i doing science atm? Nooooeeez i am not! I was explaining that in order to make sience that is acceptable, you have to use very accurate explainations and observations.....
oh and its spelled: Ok, if we have to BE accurate......
like mirror your lol back RAWFLMAW!
But dear friend, your channel states United Kingdom, they actually speak english there, you should be able to remember you own Grammer? :D
Sorry m8, you have just failed abit there :D
C0ldhead 2 years ago
Trillion to the 2nd power??? what the f...k is that??? damn, this guy surely is brilliant.
gcuellar82 3 years ago
No body gives a shit what any of you think and if your a christian dont come to an Atheist site.
UGLYROOSTER 3 years ago
thats not a good attitude.
I usually encourage people to read their bibles, quran's, torahs, vedas and sutra's because it shows how childish those stories are.
truemonolith 3 years ago 8
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Atheist piss me off.
feh2 3 years ago
YOUR piss me of.
farerse 3 years ago
cause you suck
SmGard 3 years ago
why they just use words, with a strong faith mere words shouldent matter?
Sandgn0m392 3 years ago
No but science should.
NorthHitman622 3 years ago
why do atheists piss you off feh?
Stonedgamer87 3 years ago
lol texas is the last place I'd expect an atheist show to be
treasurehunter629 3 years ago 19
Yeah.. :p I wish this show was in Norway.
There are so many jackasses here that only believes in christendom because they have never really thought about it being real or not, and the damn church is bringing kids into it AT SCHOOL several times every year.. And the non-christian kids gets looked at like outsiders when their parents are nice enough to let them stay home.
Uuugh! Nitwits.
Ludde365 3 years ago 2
You have to remember that there is no seperation of church and state here, so the school can have all the religious celebration they want.
Did you hear about the atheists handing out earplugs to the children being forced to go to church? The priest commented to the papers; "It doesn't matter, we have really good microphones and speakers."
Playing the sermon loud enough to go through earplugs should be damaging enough to the kids to be ILLEGAL.
Kulgur 3 years ago
I think it's better that it's in Texas. It shows that even in the arsehole of reason there are intelligent, rational people.
eatfirejones 2 years ago 2
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These guys are ass holes lets band them.
UGLYROOSTER 3 years ago
Judging by your spelling, you're the dude who wrote the email aren't you? Makes sense.
AlexKincaid 3 years ago 7
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Why dont you go in the back yard and play hide and go fuck yourself .How is that for spelling you piece of ant shit.
UGLYROOSTER 3 years ago
well, you spelled don't wrong so...not very good to be honest.
AlexKincaid 3 years ago 7
'backyard' is one word.
Adebay0r 3 years ago
Owned.
NorthHitman622 3 years ago 2
first obama now this show, i'm beginning to like you americans
grozny12 3 years ago 13
haha thanks! yea austin is the shit, they would have an atheist show lol :)
LOLNOWAIBISH 3 years ago 2
Lol.
Isnipeyoudie 3 years ago
I suggest all of you read the link to the actual letter, this person is a comedic genius.*sorry I meant !* I am still laughing. This is a person who believes the big bang states the universe was created by a collision of two asteroids, and then attempts disprove it by saying collision between asteroids happen all the time. Surely this a child. No center of learning could have an ignoramus of this caliber as a product of years of scientific research.
MTheoryGuy 3 years ago 2
Maybe he's an economist.
Zekkron 3 years ago 2
lol, this is a letter from the man at the top of the American mortgage distribution center.
MTheoryGuy 3 years ago 2