what is art 1

[pluskvam]

Peculiar Tactics. A painting can or cannot be a work of art. There are many hand made objects with aesthetic value that is not art. Art in the modern sense is a rather new idea.

[jdbohdan]

@pluskvam I would agree with the first part about items holding aesthetic value may not be art.

However, Art is Art. I would say it is only man's recent attempt to define what is art that's the new idea. Great art does escape logic. That's why we have various forms. By its own nature it alludes logic.

History also shows art needs no audience to be art. because an individual (the artist) has intrinsic value. Gold is gold whether it is valued or not.

[pluskvam]

@jdbohdan The idea that art escapes logic is a part of the modern concept of art. Gold is defined as a matter with certain properties. Art is a late social construction. But this social construction makes it possible to make older objects into art. But that doesn't make them art when they were made.

[jdbohdan]

@pluskvam the idea of Art as a late social construction is merely our attempt to define or redefine what were previous activities. Much like science changes our definitions of the world over time and experience. However these activities existed long before even if called or seen as something else. The "something More, something deeper" German Philosophers spoke of is precisely what is unattainable by logic, nor can logic define it.

[pluskvam]

@jdbohdan The problem is to recognize something to be called "Art" before the concept was made. How do you find similarities between the modern concept and what should have existed before? The way we recognize art is based on a concept of transgression and advanced discourse. And without a specific form including the group of Fine Arts which did not exist until around 1800. It is of course not possible to give a definition of an artwork as this is defined as a singularity.

[PeculiarTactics]

They have 50,000 Year old cave paintings in france. Over 100,000 Years old shell arts found in Africa. Art is much older than Emmanual Kent.

[natskiman]

THE small people down under used cross hatching 4 3d effects 9000 years before others, HOW is this over looked by most people. even snoopy had 3 toes ,yet this is not shown in Egyptian drawings

[natskiman]

ART IS the documentation of the inner creative spirit that IS LIFE , no P H D .

[pluskvam]

bennyhilg: Certainly that is art. If it is good or not is another question. Much of that which is admired today was in the beginning called garbage.

[bennyhilg]

visit video of FILIPINO ARTIST MEDEO CRUZ. he bashes catholics church..he put condom and penis in christ picture with face of mickey mouse..is this what we call an art?..he says, its freedom of expression.. i think, its a garbage.. art is passion..

[PkrBarMovie]

to describe art is very easy: audio, visual or audiovisual product or process that incorporates: emotions, truth about life, beauty in life, thoughts or moods/atmosphere. Here you go! That is art!

[pluskvam]

It is a myth that art escapes from logic. An illusion is very logical. You might not like contemporary art but it is a fact that it rules.

[CanalTal]

What matters is not what is art, because art always escapes from logic. What matters is to know what is GOOD art and stop worshipping contemporary CRAP and call it "evolution".

[smutery]

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[pluskvam]

The idea of genius was slowly created through the 18th century. In the cave time people could paint without having there work suddenly turned into art. Now it is difficult to make a painting avoiding art. "Something more, something deeper, something spiritual - art will give you all this" (add for the German Philosophers.

[rahxun]

I think the first artist is either one of Renaissance geniuses or the guy who paint on the cave wall in Altamira. btw, that guy doesn't look like Kant at all.

[zholyrebel]

anything that puts your emotions into a physical form others can see, like a carving, a painting, or even a dance, or a sound they can hear like music. any way you wish to express yourself and whatever form you wish to put it in. but only the artist really knows how to interpret it.

[jdbohdan]

Seems presumptious to think art started with Kant, or others which seems to imply art started only when people discussed it or criticized it. I believe this to be faulty and revealing a bias of a mind already influenced by the western academic philosophy and teaching of art.

It also suggests the more disturbing concept today which is equally faulty in that criticism and judgement by some outside authority to art somehow plays an important role in its definition, also wrong.

[KyleLiggett]

Life is art

[pluskvam]

Plato was long before the modern idea of art. As he is presented he has been made into a part of this modern idea.

[AtomicUprising]

this is laughable what about plato

[Oscar301]

Nowadays the measure is: if it's an absolute piece of shit that no right-thinking person would consider has any remedial value whatsoever, it's invariably "art"

[bahramf]

You skipped Schopenhauer, and all the ancients somehow. You're just completely clueless about art, aren't you?

[bahramf]

@bahramf Oh, you slipped Schopenhauer in there.

You don't define what artist is in the modern sense. There are hundreds of different definition and you've chosen the dumbest one, which by your own admission, does not count davinci as an artist.

[pluskvam]

Dear variable2102. We are all free to speculate about what art can or should be, but to make any sense a speculation must be confirmed by the artworld or at least describe how this world is acting.

[variable2102]

We try understanding each other, so we communicate with each other. Again, we're all individuals, so we have different pereceptions of reality, so we must communicate in order to co-exist, which is why art is the most important part of our lives.

...Though this is all an opinion; I just wanted to try explaining what I think art is, but I wanna know what you all think.

[variable2102]

The above mention ways of articulating (speech, hands motions, ect.) constitute as mediums, like paper or film or music or whatever. For instance, I'll write down what I'm thinking onto a piece of paper, so you can understand what I'm thinking. That paper is what I'm transposing my thoughts onto, thus it's a medium; a medium is ANYTHING I can express my thoughts through.

[variable2102]

We're all individuals, of course, and our individual thoughts are trapped in our heads, so we use art to transpose those thoughts to the minds of others (to say I'm happy to you, a reaction of the mind, I'll simply communicate/articulate to you that I'm happy, so you'll know it; I'll be smiling and my tone will be what you'd expect from somebody who's happy).

[variable2102]

(Part one of many comments)

Think of it like this: Art is the shortened version of articulation, which means communicating. Art is the communicating of ideas. This text your reading is art, if I were speaking to you directly, that'd be art, my body motions are arts, because all of these things convey a meaning/idea. My tone of voice communicates how I'm feeling; so does my way of walking and how I alter my physical appearance. Art is all around us, all of the time. We're all artists.

[cpmc1]

I believe that art is empathy. Art gives an insight into the mind of the artist and is defined by the beholder. Its precise form cannot be defined, but as a whole it is something that is intentional work by someone to show, express, or share an emotion or emotions.

[pluskvam]

@cpmc1 You can believe that art is this or that or emotions. The only thing that we can be sure of is that what the artworld call art is obviously art. If you want to have a more detailed view you can check what the art critics write.

[jdbohdan]

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[pluskvam]

Bahramf. Kant had a very limited interest in art. He just needed it to fulfull his philosophy art/aesthetics for a connection between his two critiques. But the artworld was and is still extremely interested in and depending on Kant.

[bahramf]

@pluskvam That's not true at all. No artist or art-world I know of even knows he wrote the Critique of judgment and they're better off for their ignorance. His idea of a special sphere of human experience from which art is (not enjoyed) but contemplated, whoected fromlly disconnected from anything of any matter to life or the world is a burden aesthetics philosophers have been shaking off since Kant.

Also, he was quite mad when he wrote the Critique of Judgment.

[ingareinar007]

Ofcourse this is amazing, but it is very difficult to read the text when the backround is the same as the text, don`t you think?

[pluskvam]

There were of course "artists" long before Kant but not in our sense. Not until Kant & is followers ART was constructed as a field independant of technique but also forming a group of ART techniques. Reynolds did not write about ART but about painting like Poussin e g. When ART was constructed it was given an identity of a certain (spiritual) aesthetics.

If you are looking for ART before this, how could you recognize it?

[bahramf]

Are you joking? Kant has very little to do with art.

[ObjectivistAesthetic]

This was an interesting video & I loved the hedgehog but I'm not sure about the history. Joshua Reynolds' "Discourses" doesn't talk about art that way & neither did Leonardo. Certainly artists made work past the "Kant Deadline" without having ever heard of Kant--is that deadline their only validation? I think the error here is that you are taking aesthetics (and therefore philosophy and science) as a dictation of reality, rather than as an explanation. What are your thoughts on this?

[ObjectivistAesthetic]

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