now seriously what is wrong with Jordan there is so much room there not heavily populated and the people there come from the same ethnic groups as Palestinians.the Palestinians could even take their own province and make it their own ethnic enclave
@benjacobson1992 How about aid workers, are they allowed to go there, doctors and such? I heard tha cement is on "no-go" list, how do you build a house without cement around there? Just curios...
@benjacobson1992 If you drop a handful of soldiers into a cruise ship, with about 600 people. I would say that confrontation is more than likely, especially if passengers are activists. Activists are always more enthusiastic about their agenda, than ordinary supporters. From activist, part will be radicals, who may resort to violence, when given a chance. Most of the people, were there truly to help palestinians with food, healthcare and building.
@jpenna1976 Everybody on those ships knew they were there to fight the IDF. They were probably all partying in the days preceding, encouraging each other to prepare and be ready to fight. Most ships don't have steel rods , slingshots/marbles etc setting on deck. This was all pre-meditated violence against the IDF.
As posted on the other video, Israel made a big mistake on internacional level, like or not the consequences of the death of civilians of a close ally by ones military has its negative effect. And please there were better ways to stop the flottilla without deaths( Example, disabling the motor engines). I am not anti Israel yet like the world this cannot be unseen without consequences.
@syanovsk Check the video, you can see quite a few of them. That isn't the point, the problem is that the Navy sucks, only the Army and the Air Force can be proud of their work.
Paintball guns... what a laugh. Better to take sticks and stones, at least you can kill and defend yourself with them.
@madfury If you knew anything, anything at all about Shayetet 13 you'd apologize for what you just said.
Not only that, but the entire Navy of Israel (which is so small, it barely even exists) has proven its effectiveness in every of Israel's wars, and counter terror. You clearly know nothing about the IDF.... spic
@dror91 For what I know Shayetet 13 was in it's beggings a terrorist group brought to fight against British colonialism. That is a good start.
If I was an Israeli I would be proud of the Army and the Air Force, but not of the Navy, specially after seing how they got beatten by a group of "pacifists".
@madfury Really? A terrorist group, eh? Can you back that up with some evidence? Second- there was not British colonialism in Israel. Palestine was carved out of the Ottoman Empire and became a Mandate- (British Mandate of Palestine). A Mandate is sooooo far away from a colony. This has proven that you dont know the history of Israel's creation, let alone its armed forces. Go to ur library and start reading to learn the history you dont know. Then u would be able to have an opinion.
@dror91 «It was formed in 1949 based upon the Naval Brigade of the Haganah - the Jewish resistance movement during the British regime in what was then Palestine» Source: isayeret.com
Resistance movement, terrorist group... the difference is... who tells the story
@madfury Here you are wrong again. Any academic knows that Websites that end with ".com" are commercial (.com stands for 'commercial') and not legitimate. Look for .org, .edu, .gov. Back to you- You are thinking of the Palyam- a different command from the Haganah. So would you say that in the minutemen and Continental soldiers of the Revolutionary War, who called themselves a resistance group, where infact terrorists? More to come-
@madfury The second point on which you are wrong is that the Palyam was a 'resistance movement' during the 'British regime'. The Palyam was created many weeks into the Israeli Independence War, which began May 15, 1948. The British Mandate expired May 14th, 1948. The Israeli Navy was not born after the war ended in 1949. Shayetet 13 was created, therefore, past 1949. How can a not yet existing force of a not yet existing Navy fight against the british more than a year after their departure?
@dror91 This shit doesn't let me post links, but go to The Huffington Post and check an article from Sheldon Drobny titled "Another Legacy of British Colonialism: Israel and Palestine". I think you should read it to expand your knowledge.
@madfury I think everyone here should read the article. The article is not only based on opinion, but is full of straight out falsification. Not to mention that "Israelis" or "Jews" are not mentioned even once- rather, the author uses the term "Zionists" and isolates this so called "group". In case u didnt know- the HuffPost is widely known for its anti- Israel, anti- feminist, and anti- republican 'reports'. You gotta produce somethin better than that. boy.
That must mean that you are either a teenager with a big ego, or a failure who never attended college. When I was in college, writing massive research papers and such (being a history major), no .com sites were ever excepted. .com stands for commercial. Any kid can make a .com site. If you want legit information, you need to look up .edu, .gov, .net. And no, wikipedia is NOT a legit site. If u've been getting your info from .com sites, you are a complete fool.
@dror91 Now there you said another silly thing. .gov domains are controlled by the Federal government of the US, wich doesn't mean total objectivity. .edu domains are more of the same thing. The US Government will never say, for example, that they sank the USS Maine to start the war against Spain in Cuba. If you believe anything you read in a book or on the Internet, no matter who published, then you are a fool.
@dror91 The point is that what they now try to call "Palestine" was under the British regime before Israel become what it is nowdays. And as it happen in all the other British colonies, the Brits went away and left a mess behind. I don't know what brainwash you may have suffered, that is a fact, no matter what books they made you read at school.
@madfury School? Try a little higher than that. Try, maybe, a career in history- level- book that no one "made me" read. Let me educate ya again- British colonies were subjected to "Englicizing" the country and exploiting natural resources that a colony would have. The British did not even try to Englicize the Mandate of Palestine, and did not take any natural resources at all (there arent many, believe me). Their very precense in their Mandate was a burden to their Empire. Get an education, Boy
@dror91 Oh no! A Youtube user told me that he has a career from the university of whoevercaresafuck. I don't know how you can say such a thing when it's quite obvious that you have problems to read what other people write. I supose the only books you've read have been writen by yourself.
BTW, the Falklands must have some secret resources the World hasn't heard about. Either that or the Brits felt the need of "Englicizing" the seagulls. Perhaps they felt the same need with Gibaltar's monkeys.
@madfury You seem to be awfully upset of what I do. Sounds like either jealousy or envy. And no, I dont have problems reading what other people write. I read what you write, but as I said before, the things you tend to say are filled with inconsistencies, flaws, and outright mistakes. It also seems that you arent willing to accept that, believing that you have much knwlegde about the subject at hand. The Falklands are totally redundant regarding the Mandate of Palestine in this discussion...
@madfury Furthermore, I believe that the reason you feel that I "have problems reading what other people write" is due to your stubbernness and insistance at being correct at all times. I am quite convinced that this is the reason we've been "chatting" back and forth like this for over a week. But rest asure that I do read all of your comments. How do you think I got to where I am today? By being ignorant?
@madfury You think you know much about this topic, but you really need to understand that you don't. When someone like you, who has no credentials in the field of history, tries to challenge a young historian like myself, you will exhaust yourself. We'll keep this going until that happens, if thats what you want.
Never bring a paintball gun to a real gunfight. Shame on you IDF for subjecting your soldiers to this....You’ll be vilified and attacked mercilessly anyway, might as well let the professional soldiers do their job the right way. Try to remember an old American saying as you send your boys into yet another vipers' nest, " it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.
I heard it somewhere that on the vessel there was a Nobel Peace prizer. Is it accurate? Around four to five minute of the video I was really treated for shock. Absolute thugs!
Looks like the commandos were outmanned, when dropped middle of riot. Maybe if they had better non-lethal options available, loose of life could have been avoided.
I cant help but feel sorry for those brave IDF Naval soldiers. I hope they all get well soon and do not suffer from this incident later on in life. I also hope that none of the soldiers get any punishment whatsoever. I hope that the filthy swine, servile scumbags from the ships are punished so severely that no future incident like this ever occurs again.
God's curse on Israel
morsy111111 1 year ago
israel air force and commando is best !!!!!!!
mrmakemakkara 1 year ago
now seriously what is wrong with Jordan there is so much room there not heavily populated and the people there come from the same ethnic groups as Palestinians.the Palestinians could even take their own province and make it their own ethnic enclave
negkreyol21 1 year ago
@benjacobson1992 I didnt say it as a fact, but "I heard", which was actually "I read". It was in the news. I believe it was Reuters or AP.
jpenna1976 1 year ago
@benjacobson1992 How about aid workers, are they allowed to go there, doctors and such? I heard tha cement is on "no-go" list, how do you build a house without cement around there? Just curios...
jpenna1976 1 year ago
@benjacobson1992 If you drop a handful of soldiers into a cruise ship, with about 600 people. I would say that confrontation is more than likely, especially if passengers are activists. Activists are always more enthusiastic about their agenda, than ordinary supporters. From activist, part will be radicals, who may resort to violence, when given a chance. Most of the people, were there truly to help palestinians with food, healthcare and building.
jpenna1976 1 year ago
@jpenna1976 Everybody on those ships knew they were there to fight the IDF. They were probably all partying in the days preceding, encouraging each other to prepare and be ready to fight. Most ships don't have steel rods , slingshots/marbles etc setting on deck. This was all pre-meditated violence against the IDF.
jedribit 1 year ago
As posted on the other video, Israel made a big mistake on internacional level, like or not the consequences of the death of civilians of a close ally by ones military has its negative effect. And please there were better ways to stop the flottilla without deaths( Example, disabling the motor engines). I am not anti Israel yet like the world this cannot be unseen without consequences.
Espartan251 1 year ago
@Espartan251 do you really think there were any "civilians" there?
syanovsk 1 year ago
@syanovsk Check the video, you can see quite a few of them. That isn't the point, the problem is that the Navy sucks, only the Army and the Air Force can be proud of their work.
Paintball guns... what a laugh. Better to take sticks and stones, at least you can kill and defend yourself with them.
madfury 1 year ago
@madfury yeah you are right, Shayetet 13 is a real joke....
mijnnaamisaaron 1 year ago
@mijnnaamisaaron Really? Would you mind explaning why Shayetet 13 is "a real joke"?
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91 Sarcasm Dror, Achi, Sarcasm..
mijnnaamisaaron 1 year ago
@mijnnaamisaaron Ohhhh yo my bad dude. Sorry about that. I didnt realize you were being sarcastic. My bad
dror91 1 year ago
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mijnnaamisaaron 1 year ago
@madfury If you knew anything, anything at all about Shayetet 13 you'd apologize for what you just said.
Not only that, but the entire Navy of Israel (which is so small, it barely even exists) has proven its effectiveness in every of Israel's wars, and counter terror. You clearly know nothing about the IDF.... spic
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91 For what I know Shayetet 13 was in it's beggings a terrorist group brought to fight against British colonialism. That is a good start.
If I was an Israeli I would be proud of the Army and the Air Force, but not of the Navy, specially after seing how they got beatten by a group of "pacifists".
madfury 1 year ago
@madfury Really? A terrorist group, eh? Can you back that up with some evidence? Second- there was not British colonialism in Israel. Palestine was carved out of the Ottoman Empire and became a Mandate- (British Mandate of Palestine). A Mandate is sooooo far away from a colony. This has proven that you dont know the history of Israel's creation, let alone its armed forces. Go to ur library and start reading to learn the history you dont know. Then u would be able to have an opinion.
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91 Really.
madfury 1 year ago
@dror91 «It was formed in 1949 based upon the Naval Brigade of the Haganah - the Jewish resistance movement during the British regime in what was then Palestine» Source: isayeret.com
Resistance movement, terrorist group... the difference is... who tells the story
madfury 1 year ago
@madfury Here you are wrong again. Any academic knows that Websites that end with ".com" are commercial (.com stands for 'commercial') and not legitimate. Look for .org, .edu, .gov. Back to you- You are thinking of the Palyam- a different command from the Haganah. So would you say that in the minutemen and Continental soldiers of the Revolutionary War, who called themselves a resistance group, where infact terrorists? More to come-
dror91 1 year ago
@madfury The second point on which you are wrong is that the Palyam was a 'resistance movement' during the 'British regime'. The Palyam was created many weeks into the Israeli Independence War, which began May 15, 1948. The British Mandate expired May 14th, 1948. The Israeli Navy was not born after the war ended in 1949. Shayetet 13 was created, therefore, past 1949. How can a not yet existing force of a not yet existing Navy fight against the british more than a year after their departure?
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91 This shit doesn't let me post links, but go to The Huffington Post and check an article from Sheldon Drobny titled "Another Legacy of British Colonialism: Israel and Palestine". I think you should read it to expand your knowledge.
madfury 1 year ago
@madfury I think everyone here should read the article. The article is not only based on opinion, but is full of straight out falsification. Not to mention that "Israelis" or "Jews" are not mentioned even once- rather, the author uses the term "Zionists" and isolates this so called "group". In case u didnt know- the HuffPost is widely known for its anti- Israel, anti- feminist, and anti- republican 'reports'. You gotta produce somethin better than that. boy.
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91 Ok, I'm gonna stop arguing with you because I can see that you haven't read a shit of what I sent.
What you said about the .coms really made me laugh.
madfury 1 year ago
@madfury It made you laugh?
That must mean that you are either a teenager with a big ego, or a failure who never attended college. When I was in college, writing massive research papers and such (being a history major), no .com sites were ever excepted. .com stands for commercial. Any kid can make a .com site. If you want legit information, you need to look up .edu, .gov, .net. And no, wikipedia is NOT a legit site. If u've been getting your info from .com sites, you are a complete fool.
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91 *accepted. They sure were "excepted", never accepted :)
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91 Now there you said another silly thing. .gov domains are controlled by the Federal government of the US, wich doesn't mean total objectivity. .edu domains are more of the same thing. The US Government will never say, for example, that they sank the USS Maine to start the war against Spain in Cuba. If you believe anything you read in a book or on the Internet, no matter who published, then you are a fool.
madfury 1 year ago
@dror91 The point is that what they now try to call "Palestine" was under the British regime before Israel become what it is nowdays. And as it happen in all the other British colonies, the Brits went away and left a mess behind. I don't know what brainwash you may have suffered, that is a fact, no matter what books they made you read at school.
madfury 1 year ago
@madfury School? Try a little higher than that. Try, maybe, a career in history- level- book that no one "made me" read. Let me educate ya again- British colonies were subjected to "Englicizing" the country and exploiting natural resources that a colony would have. The British did not even try to Englicize the Mandate of Palestine, and did not take any natural resources at all (there arent many, believe me). Their very precense in their Mandate was a burden to their Empire. Get an education, Boy
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91 Oh no! A Youtube user told me that he has a career from the university of whoevercaresafuck. I don't know how you can say such a thing when it's quite obvious that you have problems to read what other people write. I supose the only books you've read have been writen by yourself.
BTW, the Falklands must have some secret resources the World hasn't heard about. Either that or the Brits felt the need of "Englicizing" the seagulls. Perhaps they felt the same need with Gibaltar's monkeys.
madfury 1 year ago
@madfury You seem to be awfully upset of what I do. Sounds like either jealousy or envy. And no, I dont have problems reading what other people write. I read what you write, but as I said before, the things you tend to say are filled with inconsistencies, flaws, and outright mistakes. It also seems that you arent willing to accept that, believing that you have much knwlegde about the subject at hand. The Falklands are totally redundant regarding the Mandate of Palestine in this discussion...
dror91 1 year ago
@madfury Furthermore, I believe that the reason you feel that I "have problems reading what other people write" is due to your stubbernness and insistance at being correct at all times. I am quite convinced that this is the reason we've been "chatting" back and forth like this for over a week. But rest asure that I do read all of your comments. How do you think I got to where I am today? By being ignorant?
dror91 1 year ago
@madfury You think you know much about this topic, but you really need to understand that you don't. When someone like you, who has no credentials in the field of history, tries to challenge a young historian like myself, you will exhaust yourself. We'll keep this going until that happens, if thats what you want.
dror91 1 year ago
@syanovsk yes I do believe there were civilians in there
Espartan251 1 year ago
Never bring a paintball gun to a real gunfight. Shame on you IDF for subjecting your soldiers to this....You’ll be vilified and attacked mercilessly anyway, might as well let the professional soldiers do their job the right way. Try to remember an old American saying as you send your boys into yet another vipers' nest, " it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.
syanovsk 1 year ago
I heard it somewhere that on the vessel there was a Nobel Peace prizer. Is it accurate? Around four to five minute of the video I was really treated for shock. Absolute thugs!
milandroidii 1 year ago
leh haim israel !!!!!!!
mrmakemakkara 1 year ago
Sham on you Israel...
anas78tube 1 year ago
Looks like the commandos were outmanned, when dropped middle of riot. Maybe if they had better non-lethal options available, loose of life could have been avoided.
jpenna1976 1 year ago
And these filthy swine are "peaceful".
I cant help but feel sorry for those brave IDF Naval soldiers. I hope they all get well soon and do not suffer from this incident later on in life. I also hope that none of the soldiers get any punishment whatsoever. I hope that the filthy swine, servile scumbags from the ships are punished so severely that no future incident like this ever occurs again.
dror91 1 year ago
@dror91
why should any of the soldiers expect any punishment?they only did their job and the 'peacefull free gaza flotilla' wasn't so peacefull were they?
i'm sure this was already planned.
kol ha'kavot zhahal
drbable1 1 year ago 2
ISRAEL YOU DID THE RIGHT THING!! ROCK ON ISRAEL!!
slayerkendra 1 year ago
Israeli Actions were justified. Good Job IDF
KyrgyzHolmes 1 year ago 2
a job well done by the Israeli navy...!
jamiegirl27 1 year ago 2
i thought that they were law abiding people..
these people sucks...
i support IDF
jcforcearcher 1 year ago 2
That doesn't look much like a "peace" flotilla. I hope Israel gives these scum very long jail sentences.
nighthawk006phoenix 1 year ago
Marom does not seem to have anticipated that HAMAS would act like HAMAS.
adamitshelanu 1 year ago
חייבים כתוביות באנגלית לעדויות הלוחמים!
drive83 1 year ago