Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio on the Radio June 27 09

[tmursch]

So why did they have to take sudden break when you started talking about HR1207? After they came back on air the one host pretended to forget what they were talking about before the break.

[Koba82]

Hmm.. Think I replied to this one. You delete posts? Interesting.

[bawokoroma]

Ah man, wish it wasn't stereo format.

[stefbot]

Sorry, you can listen to the MP3 to the right, it is mono...

[babaluto]

After several minutes into this, I simply cannot appreciate the interviewers vibe at all. Sorry

[nathanjonessr]

stef, you are very good at condescending to a show of considerably lower quality, but in a good way. Like the Harlem Globe Trotters playing ball with some high school kids...

The last comments you made at about 1:18:00 or so are really why I, as a Christian, have found you so intriguing. You have sharpened my ability to analyze and to think, which is a great glory to the Creator of minds and thinking and wisdom. Thank you.

[yellow2856]

This is much better in HQ...lol

[TruthSurge]

wow. The interviewer has no idea of how names are pronounced. wow. Anyone with $100 can buy a mic apparently. :(

[EvolFighter]

It seems rightly frustrating to want to organize against the existence of government. Promoting the deterioration of group activity by grouping up against it, seems oxymoronic.

If people come to believe in anarchy then you could never fight as a group. So the real goal is to disseminate the information of anarchy and its usefulness, not to organize and fight government.

What are your views on tribalism, culture jamming, and Derrick Jensen?

[mikeybrumbrum]

Dear stef, to have anarchy, as a form of govt, would we not have to get the permission of the monarchy and Lords ?

Would they not kill you if you tried to do that ?

Im serious, I really dont know, but I thought we were ruled by a seperate class of dark lords, who chase foxes.

Or are you suggesting that we "request" of them, via the political process, that they allow us to operate as "virtual" anarchies (with theLords staying seperatre, and in overall control).

Or would we have to fight them?

[glopur0]

Wha.. ??? Dark lords chasing foxes? Are you sure you weren't watching Star Wars on shrooms?

[mikeybrumbrum]

It was a fair description - fox murderers !

But thats only because they cant get away with hunting humans, any more. Although, who knows.

The Queen's alright, ive no doubt. But the rest of the fox huters are weirdos, who couldnt run a ....

[tetraedronico]

"anarchy as a form or govt?" have you lost your mind?

[otacon451]

ie voluntary associations, whereas your relationship with your government is not an option and is backed by the threat of physical force (violence) essentially...

[mikeybrumbrum]

No, i thought it was a brand of chocolate bar.

[HealthyAnarchy]

Stef in an earlier vid you spoke about the addictive quality of cookies and i guess that realates to unhealthy food that you yourself might enjoy. If you can use this logic to avoid statism and probably also heroin in your life, then why not also go the whole way and bring it down to healthy food in all aspects of your life.

Are you trying to eliminate all addiction in your life , even cookies or other things, ie all drugs including coffee, alcohol, etc etc

[joshv89]

Jesus that CNN joke sucked

[TheRightDecision]

"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimension". Olive Wendell Holmes

[notfitforsociety]

Black people and women couldn't vote in this so-called mafia yet that was changed. Government can change, it's not always quick and easy or without the price of blood or other sacrifice but it can change and history has shown that.

[DSowns1111]

government doesnt change, people do.

[Ralajer]

notfitforsociety

I think the main point is the moral question "Should a group of individuals called the government have the right to use force to achieve their objectives?" Anarchists would say no and if a gov't changes to the point where it no longer uses force than in what sense is it a gov't.

Since the gov't is somewhat arbitrary with respect to the desires of the people it's impossible to say what form the change will take. You use suffrage as an example but what about the Patriot Act.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

It's not a question of principles vs. pragmatism.

Say that, at some point, an absolute genius, once-in-a-millennium savant of morality comes along, and proves that he can and will use votes to achieve a substantial, lasting reduction in the size of government. At that point, it becomes time to debate principles vs pragmatism. "Should I sell this person my justification to use force, in exchange for greater political freedom?"

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

As it stands today, there's good reason to believe that such an extraordinary ability does not exist, and further that any poorly substantiated claim to the contrary is blatantly fraudulent.

[Ralajer]

Panzer

I think that it's principles and pragmatism.

Someone who is convinced of the principles of a free society may conclude that such a society will not function.

Also, if the goal is anarchism it seems useful to point out both the principled and pragmatic arguments against a governmental system.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

I'm sorry, but I think you and I are misunderstanding one another.

I meant to say that I consider political action less pragmatic than simply abstaining from politics altogether.

If some politician can prove his intent and ability to create significant and lasting freedom, then there's a case to be made for supporting him, even though it would compromise anarchistic principles. But until such time, political action is both principally and pragmatically inferior to regular moral discourse.

[Ralajer]

Thank you for the clarification and my apologies for the misunderstanding.

[RogueSwordThesco]

Looks like he botched your name, lol

[TheJacolyte]

Excellent show. Although I agree with Stef, there's no loss of honor in complying to the threat of overwhelming violence, I do believe that it is critical to support those who were brave enough to resist it. Firstly, publicizing our rebuke of imprisoning dissenters doesn't pose the threat of legal action. Secondly, At some point all the people who do have anarchist values will stand up for those who bravely resist, but, most likely in a manner that doesn't put you at risk of legal action.

[Rokasomee]

~13:30

The thing about the birthrates is something I haven't heard before. Metaphorically it falls into place perfectly, but I'm not sure it lines up in reality. Have you talked about this in a podcast before?

[datalorez]

Great stuff Stef.

Make sure you post everything from Phillie for us West Coasters!

[Jangaboo]

24:00 around there, cheering for arbitrary teams...i like the talk there, it was good

[ForOrAgainstUs]

The audio was fine with me; any audio problems notice seemed to stem from Atlas' side and was taken care of quickly.

As for the content, I'm really pleased, thrilled, and invigorated after having listened to this radio show. I didn't think the hosts, from their demeanor, would pose such awesome questions, but, wow, I was blown away by all of you guys, especially the answers. And even though I've heard the answers before, it really is fantastic to see methodology in action.

[Gorevet]

WOW Stef. That was a great response to the self-defense question. I am definitely reading that book of yours now... however it has to wait in line behind some other books I am afraid :(

[stefbot]

thanks!

[TheStig000]

"If the metaphors don't go wrong, I'm not driving." Lmfao, best phrase I've heard all day.

[TheStig000]

I didn't notice that, but I do have a sound card that levels things out. It's excellent for things like this.

[OpineTime]

The audio isn't panning properly.

I hear the guys from atlasmedia on my right headphone.

I hear Stef on my left headphone.

It might just be something on my end, is anyone else having this problem?

[sucktdeep]

same problem here.

[stefbot]

it's in stereo, you can click on the MP3 link to the right if you prefer...

[jonnieprince]

just listen to the words - jeeez

[Rokasomee]

temporary solution: pull the headphone jack out halfway.

[stefbot]

it's in stereo...