Super Street Fighter 4 Tutorial Chapter 8 Part 4

[Seabass2751]

You gained a Sub man! Love this video. Actually learned stuff! Thanks man

[GuitarGasmProduction]

is there anyway to shortcut a divekick with something like the tiger knee motion? or is that solely dependant on how fast you can go from up to downforward (or down in seth's case)

[jivatma34]

cant do this for the life of me

[MrErakl]

question is kara throws slower then normal throws?

[1shaughness2]

@MrErakl I don't think so. I think there is no downside to kara throwing

[KashgroundTM]

@MrErakl from what ive seen,no.them things surpass dragonpunches

[GuitarGasmProduction]

@KashgroundTM grabs have priority over specials, i've grabbed through so many EX shoryukens, it's not funny lol but then again it really is

[GuitarGasmProduction]

@MrErakl no its the same throw just + added range

[DBZfanboy25]

I did the tiger knee motion for Cammy in trial 22 or 23 and it helped me to complete it.

[aqmatthews]

hey vesper will the tiger knee motion also work with goukens tatsumaki gorasen as soon he jumps off the ground? and if so what will be the input ive tried to do it but the move wont happen..

[KrsnaBhakta]

Dude, I don't know how to thank you? Maybe buy you a beer or something, this is exactly what I needed, oh gosh so helpful. I guess I better get to work.

[SsWargazmSs]

I found a couple of other things out right after the post. After UF just roll the stick to F+punch and it will come out every time. You can also jump and buffer the jump b4 you land then do your desired move which is useful if you're intending a jump in. OK I think that does it. :-)

[SsWargazmSs]

After the TK motion hit an additional UF+punch for Akuma's air fireball. The added input will go in right as you're leaving the ground. After you get the timing remove that extra input and replace with a slight holding of UF b4 hitting punch. Hope that helps someone. Keep playing L8r

[SsWargazmSs]

I checked my inputs and they show a clean motion with the punch or kick coming only on the UF but it still does not come out. I appreciate any help received, TC :-)

[SsWargazmSs]

@vesperarcade I am having trouble with these tiger knee motions as far as getting the low air moves to come out. I'm messing it up even with Akuma the only way I've gotten them out is if I do the fireball motion, then delayed/separated afterwards the UF/UB+P or K. Can someone please lend me some help or advice please' I've only had it come out twice when inputed all in one fluid motion?

[DavidC1593]

so its like plinking with a throw ?

[101Felipe95]

How would I be able to do goukens air tatsu as low as possible? Because if you do a air tatsu after demon flip - grab, it does a cross-up. But I can't get the timing for it.

[U1ozard]

As a pad player I found sliding my thumb from LK to MK the easiest way to do Makoto's Kara-Kara. Just saying.

[NexusARC]

Anyone one know how I do a tiger knee with Dormammu on MVC 3 so I can use meteor shower, I am a newb so explain it to me gently.

[swag11streetfighter]

Evil Ryu's is fierce punch then lp lk

[baylakerfan]

Is there a special motion for doing Zangief's Ultra 2 close to the ground? Or is it all just buffering through his normals and specials?

[dragon4249]

Thanks for the awesome tutorial. Learnt a lot

[Ruger1000fps]

is it wrong that i always let vipers grab me so i can hear her say "fuck me" and do the peter griffin laugh?

[kidwonderr]

alot stuff to learn compared to other fighting games

[MarklarRavencrest]

Question: Can I use Tigen knee motion to thow Ibuki's kunai?

[asiandude619]

ryu kara throw: roundhouse,throw (HK,LPLK)

[OMGLukaXD]

Does Ibuki have any good, useful kara-throws, kara-cancels?

[xOvErLoRd1022x]

@OMGLukaXD i am also curious about that...

[AnsatsukenStyleX]

Honda can kara his down/forward triple kick into his command grab.

[TheSludgeMan]

Vesp do you think you could just upload gameplays of you perfecting people online? i'd watch them all day

[1shaughness2]

how do you tk burning dance?

[SupRStanG]

Ok, So I'm Assuming You Have To Use A TK Tetsumaki in Ken's 24th Trial...Why Isn't It Coming Out As Easy As Akuma's Airborne Gohadoken? Any Advice Or Tips So I Can Finish Ken's Damn Trials Already? lol

[Riskyotter]

Cody has a kara throw, but it's ruhl bad it only moves him like .5 cr.jab and it uses his roundhouse.

[Skz59400]

i've got some problems with the kara tiger shot (sagat) execution :/

I have the same input as you but sagat did kara tiger uppercut...

[TKDwombat]

wait so can we still use the tiger knee motion for instant air moves, or has capcom removed it?

[ChipsHappens]

Just watched all of your tutorials...Fantastic work. It's great that you explain why someting works. There is a lot of helpful stuff and it is presented well. Keep posting videos...looking forward to whats next.

[adrockman2003]

i was tryin adon jaguar kick but didn't work

can u tell me how

thx

[william526]

can you use forward + hard kick then grab? for the kara throw?

[AudioImpression]

not a clear explanation for ken, you have to press them at THE SAME TIME not right after another, thats why you were messing up.

[VesperArcade]

@AudioImpression Incorrect. Unless you work for IGN.

[AudioImpression]

@VesperArcade works 100% of the time if u input them at the exact same time, only difference is you must already be pressing the directional forward input before you press them both at the same time and it will always work.

[SFtheWolf]

@AudioImpression Implying playing Ken requires explanation.

[bishbash61]

have you done a tutorial on plinking or double tapping to help with one frame links yet as you said you were going to .thanks again for the tutorials

[iBxTH3xCR33Dx]

does rose have any karas?

[drcmessiah]

Cody seems bored with the tutorial

[DestructiveVirusX]

Awesome stuff, gotta go practice now lol

[slowmofosho]

wow that explaned everything, nice

[d3f1anc3]

Dude. I fucking love you. This is the most useful piece of information I've found about the game mechanics in SF4/SSF4. I've been trying to throw that move out with Cammy for the longest time and I COULDN'T DO IT. Now I can. <3 you (no homo)

[MrTree2K]

please do next tutorial on super jump canceling need help bad

[HomieFilms]

is he using a joystick for the ps3?

[fadecy]

Makoto can karak her karakusa command throw using

f.lk xx karakusa

[stashthevampede0]

What about Gouken instant air tatsu or Adon's instant as well?

[ieodksnw787]

does this relate to Viper's SJC at all? B/c I have trouble sometimes connecting it after a seismo SJC into a BK.  Also, I have trouble chaining seismos.

I see alot of tiger knee motions for Viper on SRK, not just the instant crossup BK. Thanks in advance!

[ieodksnw787]

One more. Also since you are good w/ Viper execution, how do you nail down the FFF w/ fierce TK negative edge? Is it just a matter of practice and timing? I can get it like 10% of the time. Should I resort to using a PPP button?

So I resort to feinting the jab TK (regular input not negative edge) - way less efficient - but still combos.

Thanks your vid is so helpful.

[Killeykun]

@ieodksnw787 If you are using a stick then its strictly timing and practice. If you are using pad same deal but I recommend macroing a 3P button. I'm actually surprised you can do FFF with a jab TK feint.

@ieodksnw787 TK's do come into play with SJC's. In regards to a SJ BK after a Seismo if you are missing it means you are doing it too slow. During the Seismo animation input the super jump and then do the BK input. Seismo chaining is all about timing. Do the Seismo motion and end in up+P.

[ieodksnw787]

@Killeykun firstly thanks so much.

1. So chaining seismo, by "end in up+P", you mean buffer the down command of the SJ. After up+P I go directly into another seismo command?

2. For BK after Seismo is there any way to buffer the BK into a SJ - like in the video the instant BKs? cuz I find myself mashing SJ alot (up down), I'm surprised I haven't broken my stick yet.

[Killeykun]

@ieodksnw787 1. You already buffer the super jump when doing another seismo bcs its forward, down, down forward+P. The down is already registered as part of the SJ command so when you end in up or up forward a super jump comes out. You just don't press punch until your joystick is in the up or up forward direction.

2. Just buffer the down, up/up forward/up back motion during the animation of Seismo. The games registers that you've inputted the SJ motion already so there's no need to mash it.

[1Ursos2]

How can i get this outfit for akuma ?

[Snoooootch]

1:38, Cody is not impressed. lol,

Great tutorial, Vesper.

[gudguy89]

4:12...i didn't expect it would cause such a great damage

[xRisingForcex]

just a q, does this work for ryu's whip tatsu? i couldn't get it to work in training

[alteredtranquil]

Thanks for the vid. I've been trying to find out easier ways to do instant burn kicks with Viper.

[RagnaDDR]

Cody looks so thug :10

[richmond222]

Dudley - forward fierce is his only kara throw has about as much range as ryu's

[rottentofu]

great video. you guys are coaching me through all the challenges, and now possibly even fighting a real person lol. keep the vids coming!

[konqrr]

This video is great.

I turned on the "Transcribe Audio" option for this video and the words it came up with made me LMAO!

[jonnyhallsworth]

@konqrr haha i just did the same... some funny shit

[Demonmnky]

Cody has a Kara throw. MK > throw

[JOSHUASHUA]

Damn this tutorial helps loads!

Also guys, vega has a Roundhouse Kick Kara Throw ;)

[rainy153]

hey can u do tirge knee motions with path cotrolers?



[xRisingForcex]

nice tips. i like how you say tiger knee "mohtion"

[gfujita]

Sweet video it was really helpful

[inhumanxbeast]

kara fireball with ken or ryu i use it on fireball battles to get closer

[ThePredster]

Ibuki-st.mk~lp+lk.

[Jayybumm]

so the Kara for ken is ls kinda like plinking the throw after you do the kick right?

[DML897]

Kara throwing is so stupid in SFIV, mainly because normal throws already feel like the distance of normal kara throws....stupid wonky hitboxes.

[ONLYPWNmeNOOBS]

Hey i have a question it would be super nice if you would give me an anwser. I got a Hori Arcade Fightstick that came out with Tekken 6 can i play with this SSF4 or is this Stick not good for Street Fighter?

[delchavez]

Great Vid Vesper, keep em coming, man!

[1994silent]

GUY KARA THROW  MP + LP+LK

[malgab]

congratulation, you just allow 10154505404550540 more ken MASHERS to come with a new mashing style on XBL

[Jayybumm]

@malgab Kens legit dude, hes not as overpowered as other characters.

[malgab]

@Jayybumm I was talking about ken players who just mashed out DP into your links

[Jayybumm]

@malgab ohh lol, thats true their alot of those i tend to play with more strategy than to rely on that DP ^ ^

[TheMonkeyFetish]

Great job with this, kinda sucks that I found out all these stuff the day before this video came out... Woulda helped a lot if I knew this when I started playing.

[TheRealJethuty]

Adon, where so much of his game relies on air jaguar kicks, yet he cant do instant TK, because his input is the opposite. D,DB,B and you have to either jump neutral or forward, so you cant do the whole input (D,DB,B,BU)

[Killeykun]

@TheRealJethuty I don't recall Adon being able to do air Jaguar Kicks jumping backwards. Pretty sure he has to do it jumping forwards hence why he has to do the TK motion as 2149+K the same reasons as why Cammy can't do TK normal CS backwards. Correct me if I'm wrong though since I've only briefly played with Adon.

[TheRealJethuty]

@Killeykun yeah thats what i said, He cant use this, because he cant do ITK, because his input is QCB, and he cant do it while jumping back. If they reversed it, his game would be so much better

[Killeykun]

@TheRealJethuty It sounds like you're misunderstanding TK's altogether because it doesn't matter if the motion is QCB. TK's are just buffering in the special motion prior to the jump to get it as low to the ground as possible. Cammy's CS and Viper's BK's are QCB motions and can be TK'd. Cammy just can't TK a normal CS backwards. Adon can TK by ending in up or upforward so he can TK by doing 2148+K or 2149+K.

[BBoyPhreshershist]

Does makoto have a tk tsurugi?

[Druscaelan]

RIP tiger knee cammy

[OlayzeeOne]

Juri's Kara throw is done by standing strong not crouching. ie MP~throw

[OlayzeeOne]

Juri Kara throw: MP~throw

[SonicoBomo]

Goukens kara throw is HK~LK+MK

Great vid! It would however of been worth mentioning that TK specials have diffrent timeing. For instance Ryu, Ken, Akuma and goukens instant air tatsu can be tiger kneed but the timing for the button press is diffrent from Viper or cammy and is alot harder to do.

I cannot do it even close to consistenly, however with cammy it is automatic and dead easy.

Any tips on getting the timing down would be great.

[theWarrenMN]

Is Makoto's instant air axe kick just the tiger knee motion like Cammy's Cannon Spike? Can you only do it with light kick? I practice and practice but have a huge issue getting this to come out reliably. Not sure if i'm doing it wrong or if there's a special property to the move i'm not considering.

[Deeznutzho]

@theWarrenMN It isn't. That's one that you have to do differently.

[brunoj1]

Very nice

[joejones]

Ken:

Kara Uppercut, fireball, and throw using -> RH. It is also easier for pad players

[Killeykun]

Ibuki can also kara throw with standing forward as well.

[jordaoxman]

Hey Ves. Can you show me cody's kara throw please?

[crapzors]

@jordaoxman just test it with all buttons

[Enochrewt]

@jordaoxman @jordaoxman His kara throws are: f+mp~lp+lk, s.hk~lp+lk and s.mk~lp+lk. There's actually a video showing them all if you search for it.

[doubleshadows]

You have NO idea of the service you're doing here! I still use a PS3 controller and don't plan to change, but, I use chargers so not too bad. Thank you.

[Killeykun]

Juri can also extend the distance of her kara throw by cancelling the recovery of her crouching strong.

[TheCape]

So Kara cancelling can theoretically be done with any move if you are fast enough as it is just cancelling a normal with a special or throw before the hitbox becomes active?

[VesperArcade]

@TheCape Unfortunately no, the move must have a certain amount of start up frames. Most command normals are slower than others so they are mainly used.

[VesperArcade]

Thanks for the contributions guys. Keep em coming.

[relix28]

Juri's kara throw is far standing mp~throw. And it's a preety decent one. Doesn't have as much range as Ken's kara, but it's still preety good.

[JyuuinShitau]

I love Ken for his Kara's! These are his easier ones.

Kara Focus :f+mk ~ mk+mp

Kara Air EX-Tatsu: (Airborne) qcb anykick~samekick+anotherkick

ex: qcb+hk~hk+mk

I'm too lazy to type the rest so check out my post on SRK.

shoryuken(.)com/f259/kens-kara­-moves-245776/#post9286283

[ONLYPWNmeNOOBS]

thanks these are very helpfull i need to get used to that fightstick cuz im getting my ass kicked :(

[vertoxz123]

ryu's kara is roundhouse.

[amuro0093]

Makoto can't do the Tiger knee T_T

[massi4h]

In terms of kara cancellable normals (not normal karas, ones that can be cancelled into specials/supers through most of their startup and sometimes of active frames) here's the list I know:

Sagat: forward+lk, forward+hk.

E. Honda: DF+hk (his stomp overhead)

C. Viper: far.hp

Also worth noting that Sagat's forward+lk can be cancelled into an EX focus even on whiff. I don't know any other normals with this ability.

[HELLSHATRED7]

i been tryn do vegas kara throw 4 a min nice vid

[mgrimhammer]

Gouken kara-throw: RH

[Souchan]

@mgrimhammer Whats also fun is Goukens kara focus, which is done the same, just FA instead of throw. Pretty much any character that doesn't have a medium button kara throw can do them(maybe they can too, but I sure can't do it^^)

[Kayuu]

you can also cancel normal makoto's grab trow with F lk+lp

[superfrank84]

Vesper once again a true LEGEND wiv theses tutorial vids..

[devientx]

Great vids*

[MokiSenpai]

Chun Li has the forward medium kick kara throw too. It has a pretty decent range. And Honda can kara cancel his overhead with almost any special.

[Inbred23]

@MokiSenpai Honda can cancel it into any special. The timing on the headbutt cancel is tricky though.

[ayers01]

If I'm correct Rose has a kara throw, DF+MK, LP+LK.

[helgenx]

I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from, that's called a super jump cancel (SJC.)

[EdoTensei]

@helgenx I think he knows its a SJC. He is just explaining the TK motion, which is used to perform the SJC.

[persondoingstuff]

@helgenx That is not a SJC. He is showing viper's instant air burn kick. The reason you have to hold down for a second first is to get rid of accidentally inputting a superjump when you do the tiger knee motion. This enables you to instantly do a burn kick from a normal jump which can be done alot quicker and alot lower to the ground than the superjump burnkick.

[VesperArcade]

@helgenx SJC is a tiger knee motion. I am explaining buffering and TK motion for a build up to help explain how to do the motion for SJC in the final part of this chapter.

[DuudeRJ]

amazing video dude

[EdoTensei]

E. Honda's DF+RH

[PsYcHoCI2usHeI2]

i remember when i first got hit by Saget Tiger upper from like half a screen away. I was in shock for about a week

[Jedda678]

You can also kara cancel the raging demon and demon armageddon for Akuma, fairly simple and they can be useful if they are used in the right situation.

[ertai222]

nice vids man, you must be one bad ass player

[darkmusician]

Juri has a kara throw with her standing strong (medium punch). I think she can also use her roundhouse, but I find that the strong version gives her more distance and it's much more comfortable on the fingers since the hand position is very natural.

[MrNaughtyHands]

Makoto f+lk xx lp+lk

[LilSoulCBH]

Outstanding vid man..

[XxAppleOrangexX]

Hey,why dont you post some online matches?

Im sure it would be very enjoyable to watch you rape other members.

[XxAppleOrangexX]

Players*

[DevanPinoy]

maybe u can do tuts for each character.. that would be nice.