Special Actions Detachment 3 - Break contact and peel rear

[nowthisis2stupid]

This is among the best I've seen. Thanks for posting.

[MrJonagikster]

I would have thought the way to go would be to patrol in a staggered line formation and then to do this. That way, someone is ALWAYS putting fire on the enemy. If this was done to me, I'd just wait for the front guy to dump his mag then stick my head up and light em up. But what do I know?

[Roger1379]

@MrJonagikster There is a 1.5second break in the shooting when the front shooter peels. By the time you realise that the front shooter has stopped shooting and is peeling, the next shooter will already be ready to engage. Not to mention you'd probably shitting yourself when you have lead flying past your head.

[naydizzle1989]

two quick questions out of interest... why do they cut each other off when they bound and why is there only one person firing at a time?

[mecover]

@naydizzle1989 Becuase they are doing they Austrailian Peel. Marines and Navy do 2 man or FT peel, using cover, with the squad breaking contact a little faster

[scnarb]

Another point on that, keeping it at the low ready you have your weapon secured with both hands keeping it high up you have control with one hand which isn't, in my opinion, the best thign to do. That all said, I imagien there are situations where keeping your weapon high might be the thign to do. It's all METTTC

[scnarb]

I disagree you should point your weapon up, it's easy to trip and shoot your buddy i nthe back that way. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot then put one in my buddies back or head. Better yet learn to manipulate the safety properly. Using the safety is, you know, safe and won't necessarily get you killed if you're trained well.

[IMnotSAS]

@scnarb

i shot a buddy in the back, the other turned on me so i shot them all and blamed it on the M4

[scnarb]

@IMnotSAS

Interesting

[IMnotSAS]

@IMnotSAS

then shot at some taliban but i missed and ran out of ammo, but luckily escaped and shot myself in the foot so i could come home.

[VidRanger973]

Like somebody said before-smooth-even with the dropped mag. That's real life and these guys didn't really lose a substantial rate of fire during the peel. Great drill instructor too. Kept it cool, flowing and safe during a live fire.

[thebadestlad]

Fucken sacks

[bigaaroncunny]

It should be called special soldiers detatchment. Your drills are shit.

[John234pwns]

@bigaaroncunny

Don't be hopeful. That wouldn't mean you could join up.

[bigaaroncunny]

fail at 0.34 you killed your squad you fucken retard

[mailforbid1989]

That's why training is needed, retard.

[MedicmanFP]

@bigaaroncunny wtf are u talking about? no he didnt

[kaskito]

What does VMI stands for?

[RickyboyH]

they shouldn't run with their barrels pointing up in the air.. pointing it towards the ground is safer (obviously depending on the surface) .. if you accidentally discharge the weapon into the ground, nothing will happen, whereas if you fire it into the air, the bullet will come down at some point.

[SRTguy06]

When you are doing an immediate action drill when you are moving, and shooting with multiple team members around you, it is the smartest thing to have the barrel in the air. discharging your weapon at the low ready, while running is a good way to shoot a team mate.

[RickyboyH]

No, because a smart guy will keep the weapon straight, and at a 45 degree angle from your legs when you are running, so it wouldn't be a problem, and either way, you do not run or move with your weapon in the "Single", "burst" or "automatic" mode anyways, it should always be safetied, and your index finger rests on the pistolgrip assembly, not the trigger, so its IMPOSSIBLE to discharge the rifle. Hence, its not a problem running with the rifle pointing towards the ground ;-)

[SRTguy06]

If that is your preference that is fine. If you are bounding back and plan to gain fire superiority, you will get on target faster bringing the weapon down, instead of up because gravity is working with you, especially if rushing to the prone position.  It depends on the environment and type of contact drill you are running. Once your mind enters fight or flight during combat, its easy to forget to put your safety on during movement, which is way indexing is the most important.

[RickyboyH]

I guess it just boils down to personal preference. Personally i haven't been in a combat situation so i can't really commment on if i would forget to safety the weapon when im about to run or not, but its just something i do sub-conciously when we have live fire exercises and other type of exercises when we use a combat vest with laser receivers and small speakers (so you know if you get hit or not)..

anyways, all the best!

[John234pwns]

@RickyboyH

On the trigger guard or receiver, you mean. Keeping your finger on the pistol grip is both slow and uncomfortable. At any rate, the idea of pointing the gun in the air makes sense. Even if there is much underbrush to snag, even if you have an accidental discharge, the fact that the gun is pointed upward minimizes the chances of serious damage.

[justsayno2islam]

@RickyboyH I have always been taught to keep the weapon pointing down. Now speaking with some solder friends who have been in A-Stan and Iraq, i asked them about the weapon being saftied. i asked them when they were on patrol did they safty they rifles or where they ready to rock and roll? he said ready to rock and roll. Having your safty on is a good way of getting killed.

[RickyboyH]

@justsayno2islam i Guess its just a matter of preference. I have several friends that i served with that had their weapons on safety at all times, unless they were actually shooting at something (obviously they wouldn't safety their weapon if they were firing at enemies spread out over a large area) ..

What im trying to say is that if they felt like they had the situation "under control" they'd normally safety their weapons while moving etc, but if the shit hits the fan, forget the safety ;P

[RickyboyH]

And also, im not sure how many soldiers who participated in that drill, but obviously if there were more than 4 soldiers, i'd have a "pair" grouped out to the left of the guy who's in front. (That would be guy number 3 and number 4.) whereas the number 2 would move out to the right of the team leader.

4 Guns functioning (or, actually 2 since the other pair is moving backwards) is always better than just one. But i guess that this scenario was about that they only had room to stay in one file..

[TheFNG556]

@SRTguy06 Better to be shot in the foot than in the head. There is no absolute muzzle up or down rule, you must stay fluid with your environment. Would muzzle up be appropriate in a multi-story building if you are on the ground floor?

[SRTguy06]

@TheFNG556 If i was in a multi-story building I sure as hell wouldn't be using a rear peel... as you said you must stay fluid and adapt your tactics according to METT-T. In that situation muzzle up is the safest and most effective way to move. If your using a rifle, the only way your going to shoot a teammate in the head is if your not facing down range or he is 8' tall. Low ready is not safest for this movement, period.

[fonsy85]

to be honest, when we were rehearsing contact drills, our officer used to kick us with his boots if we wouldn't have our rifles showing skywards...

[Toiletmonstr]

That could be the single dumbest thing I have ever herd someone say. Is this guy for real? You are concerned about a round falling down from the sky in what would be a potential engagement? Holy shit. Back to your idea of "terrain." I have a question for you, what does a jungle look like? What does a forest look like, and have you ever carried an 21 inch barreled M16? You have no idea how easy it is to snag that barrel on a tree root, a fern or any other obstruction while running.

[raabgunner]

s*it happends.

[taynefoster]

funny dead man click

[1027rsar]

Well done, pretty smooth. Shame about the dropped mag though.

[Keith4DaChelski]

Yep but everyone makes mistakes and they are learning better on a training field than an actual combatzone.

[tubewombat]

VMI as in Virginia Military Institute? Special Actions Detachment? What happened to Ranger Company?