#19 - Question/Answer: Mid-Range AMD & Intel Gaming Computer

[zionstepper]

Corsair tx650 or coolermaster 700w pro to power my gtx 295?

i like the coolermasters design and quite operation but the corsair's reliability?

[EvilJohnAmante]

hey can u find me a gaming rig.. case Antec 900 or better

BUDGET: $800

[heydude09876]

@EvilJohnAmante

up to or up to 900???

[aliasad0007]

is it good?

intelecore 2 duo e 8400

ati radeon 4870 i gb

ASUS (INTEL) P5Q-E INTEL P45+ICH10R 1600 FSB

[aliasad0007]

Ati Radeon 4870 1gb is better or gtx 260.......... .

[Watchme12311]

its little bit faster

[dj820621]

ehh?

3ghz quad core 1333mhz fsb 12mb cache (q9650)

8gb Gskill 1066mhz gaming ram

sapphire HD 4870 1gb gddr5 graphics card

ASUS p5q PRO turbo motherboard

500gb WD caviar black HDD

850w modular PSU

XP-90 heatsink

MX-2 thermal compund

ehh?

[ellkany2000]

plss,can i install AMD cpu on motherboard support intel????????

[thejmeister88]

no, theres AMD mobos and Intel mobos

to change your cpu maker you need to change your mobo, and possibly your gpu - that is if your new mobo requires sli and you want crossfire or vise versa and thats only if you're going to use more than 1 gpu

[RazerInc1994]

Is this good? Antec Nine Hundred II Samsung SH-S223F 22X DVD±RW DL SATA Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz 1333MHz 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 PC6400 Corsair XMS2 320GB Samsung SpinPoint T HD322HJ PowerColor ATI HD4870 1GB PCIe 550W Corsair CMPSU-550VXEU Arctic Silver 5 Asus P5Q PRO P45, Socket 775 Thermaltake V1 AX, s775/1366 och AM2/AM2+

[joby92]

guys help me out plz?

(EVGA)

260-216 SLI or single 280?

which is better BANGFORBUCKwise, considering possibility to add second 280 at a later time...

[viethluu]

260-216 sli will be better but it also generates a lot of heat, comparing to single 280

[TheSweeJay]

yeah...so get a 260-216 sli and make sure you got a cool case

[Rayevo888]

hi i want to ask all of you experts out there whats the best open 2.0 , sli , pcie 2 video card (　around 100 $）for my system and online gaming ?

e8400

geforce gf300t-a 450mhz core speed only intel g45 has 800mhz

kingston 1gx 4

maxtor 320gb saa 7200 harddrive

old lg dvd rw

westlife 750w powersupply

when i pick a card shold care more about core speed or memory speed like 1gb card or 512 mb card with 500 mhz or with 1000 mhz

thanks i appreciate it 1000 thank you

[Mark241182]

Quite soothing watching and listening about computers from Rodney Renolds

[scumfuccrust]

Why would you recommend an ATI card for an intel build and a Nvidia for an AMD build? Makes no sense..

[religiousMurder]

gamer man is lame....i cant oc worth a fuck

[qwertymac93]

im sorry, but some of your choices are a bit iffee, msi k9a2 is THE BEST 790fx mobo, and msi 4850 quad heatpipe pwns all others, even toxic.i would get ddr2 800mhz ram(dominator anyone?) and oc it like crazy. and q6600 is way better then q9450, com eon man 45nm isnt all that.

[Neoxym]

Indeed, q9450 hardly seems worth it. I'd go as far as saying instead of a Q6600 I'd go for the E8400 or amd 64 X2 6000+ instead tbh. Don't even know a single game that uses quad core yet. Maybe crysis but a core 2 duo or X2 will smash that game anyway so no point there... But yeah if you plan on doing more then gaming or have a 30" monitor I guess it's fine to use quad. Personally I see no point in going above 2 cores at the moment though.

[qwertymac93]

very true, or if your real crazy E8600. intels 45nm cpus aren't much better then their 65nm(quad cores at least) because there old school lithography makes it very hard to make 45nm transistors, that is why shanghai has a much bigger jump in performance over Barcelona, liquid immersion lithography is the future!

[Rayevo888]

yeah right now not much programes support quad core but future my friend future

[KOkun]

if you're going for SLI over crossfire, i'd recommend the evga 750i FTW mobo and save more money with some good quality ddr2 ram. but if you're that bent over getting ddr3 and or crossfire. the mobo rodney recommended is pretty good.

[SpeedDennis]

U rock :)

[rparente]

What motherboard do you recommend for the Intel system? Intel Mid-Range Computer System: - Antec 900 Case - Corsair TX650 PSU - Mushkin XP3-12800 4GB Memory Kit - Western Digital Caviar BLACK SATA 1TB - LG 18x DVD Burner w/Lightscribe - Vista Home Premium Edition 64bit - Intel Q9450 2.66GHz CPU - HIS 4850 512MB I thought maybe the P5Q Deluxe (DDR2 compatible) but not sure if that works with the 4850 graphics card? Or should I just spend a little extra on some DDR3 memory?

[LolChickenPie]

get the Gigabyte X48-DS4, it's slightly more expensive than the p5q, but has 2 PCIe 2.0 x16 slots and good overclocking features.

[viciokas1993]

why would he use amd+nvidia and intel+ati?

id go intel+nvidia

[powerchord41]

i think he's mixed the 2 coz he said "with a budget between 1000-2000$" if you put both intel and nvidia vid card you'll be over the the budget limit... and if you'll put both amd and ati both in you wont be able to maximize the performance... so i think what he did was maximize the performance within the budget...

[viciokas1993]

well, i agree, but i would really pay 100$ more for a lot better combination...

[hentajus]

sveikas!!! nesitikejau cia sutikt koki geek'a is lietuvos ^^

[viciokas1993]

as tau ne geekas :P man tik naujo pc verkiant reikia

[Youngallstar]

i asked the same thing, but for this choice of motherboards/chip mix the boards support either crossfire or sli, you honestly dont want to buy a nvidia card if your motherboard is crossfire compatible, you can use a single nvidia card yes but you would never be able to use sli, of course if your not gaming or anything then this isnt a problem but usually if your buying performance parts such as these you want to future proof yourself and doing that you stick with what your motherboard supports.

[parotdestroyer]

hey this is midrange so your getting average parts

[dmerasure]

For ut3... What Video card?

[quincy965]

Why did he recommend amd cpu with nvidia gpu &

intel cpu with ATI gpu??? that does not make sense to me

[lildarkkill]

because your are an idiot!! Most intel Motherboard are crossfire if you didnt know that. Plus he was talking about P5Q MB from Asus so it only crossfire available not sli.

[quincy965]

If you go sli or crossfire is not midrange anymore

[golem72002]

I have GeIL PC2-8500 EVO ONE 4GB Memory Kit 2gb x 2 they're

I recommend putting some kinda fan on them I got 60mm bolted to them(bolts screw & bolts are from 120 thunder blade case fans). since they aren't under my power supply to get cooled on this AM2+ Motherboard.

[SkiSkate123]

Will the 9800gtx or the 260gtx fit in the antec 900 case ? :o

[TheTurban]

what won't?

[Tecato22]

Oh I almost forgot why do you actually recommend Quad CPU's for a gaming system? I would recommend the AMD Athlon X2 6400+ 3,2 GHz and Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3,0 GHz for gaming systems. :)

[ktonlai]

for now i think it would be best to have dual cores, but thinking ahead a lot of games will start to take advantage of quads.. i like to think ahead also =D

[Tecato22]

Yeah about years you will see full quad support for some games. :(

[Tecato22]

Why PC2-8500? You won't need more than PC2-6400 unless you recommend these system for hardcore overclockers.

[UKWFShooter]

How come you in both this and the budget computer, you are putting ATI grapichs cards with Intel CPU's? Why not NVIDIA with Intel?

[ktonlai]

ditto... again...

[thetwe]

I see you keep recommending asus motherboards, everyone I've known you has got an Asus motherboard as had to send it back for being faulty. Do you find them reliable ?

[Zilbino]

Whoops, didn't see that his question was already answered and marked it as spam.

[ktonlai]

uhhhhhh ... why is amd paired with nvidia and intel paired with ati???? amd sorta owns ati now so... why wouldnt they be in the same system?

[nick4634]

ya i was about to say that

[Tecato22]

I don't think it is a good idea to separate the different brands. ATI also works well with Intel as well as NVIDIA with AMD.

[bravotoosix]

vista 64 bit haha..thats a fail and a half

[jkenworthy]

peripherals are keyboards and mice for example. Basically hardware that is not part of the computer system.

[vikingo89us]

what does he mean by peripherals?

[Zilbino]

Keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc.

[BigManMamasBoy]

moniter, printer, external drives, speakers, stands, fan controllers ect. ect.

[luanswan2002]

Mouse keyboard monitor printers, everything which connects to the ports basically.

[skatetime11]

why would you get a crossfire mobo with an sli video card

[nilzxx]

9800gtx in a midrange? I better go cry in a corner now. I don't think my keyboard is waterproof.. I thought the best piece of my computer is kickass. Well, nice video though, Rod!

[smalltime0]

Why are the AMD systems using Geforce cards, whilst the Intel systems are using ATi cards.

From what I've read the 4850 looks to be alot better of a deal than the 9800GTX, and 4850 in crossfire looks better than a GTX2xx

[corvusatum]

2 hd4850 in crossfire Rocks.

[corvusatum]

Is 4gb memory too much ?

[Kepkaaa]

not at all anymore.

[corvusatum]

For a mid Range Computer ?

[Kepkaaa]

Well if you get vista get that 4, but xp mid range 2 is enought.

[corvusatum]

But with 4gb, only 3 are used on vista 32...

[matwardforst]

3.7 actually. It's fine.

[Skutz0r]

i have a question for you, What do you prefer to use, AMD or Intel?

[sergi5122]

Hey, Rodney.. i am planning to upgrade from my dell dimension e510, and i have 500 dollars. i can use most of the parts from my current pc(such as HD, DVD-RW's, RAM, power, etc) the only 3 things i need are Case(thinking of 'Temptest'), Videocard(Either 2x 4850 in crossfire, or 1 4870) and motherbaord.. i havn't decide which mobo to get since i am not sure about a videocard yet. if i get 2x 4850 thenn ill leed xfire mobo. if single 4870 then ill need single PCIE x16 mobo. my allowance=500$.thanx

[lnVerTeD]

If your poor.

Nice video again, this Q and A thing is quality.

[kreeddem]

I how this answers your question? keep your questions coming!

[KOkun]

lol, it's ironic that you recommend the ATI gpu for the intel mobo and the nvidia gpu with the AMD mobo.

[chevlyatmac]

that's what i was thinking

[KOkun]

lol yea, you'd think and AMD mobo would work better with an ATI gpu since the companies work together..

[Scwarz22]

AMD Bought Ati.

Ati bought Havok (physics) which was something to do with intel I think. They all gonna gangbang on nvidia mwhaha

[KOkun]

lol yea i knew that. but, i still enjoy nvidia's gpu products than ati. the games i play just feel much better when i use nvidia gpus.

[Scwarz22]

Hi Rodney I was wondering I have a 400-watt psu that has 16a on the +12v rail and I want to get a replacement to my pci-e 6600gt and get a used 7800gtx, my question is: Will the power supply be able to power the card (Asus 7800gtx TOP 256mb), thanks.

[Scwarz22]

I read on newegg that the single slot evga one reccomended psu is 450w and 18a. But will it still run with mine?

[651bobby]

Hi have a 2 WD caviers both 160gb both have same serial number except the end digits YS and JS, one is balck in colour and the other silver, is the black on the Black caiver?

thanks

[justin1o0]

thanks man really helping us out here. But don't kill yourself with all these questions.

[worshipme213]

The P5Q3 supports DDR3, not DDR2.

[3DGAMEMAN]

Very true, your on the ball :) I forgot to mention that in the video. Darn unscripted, unedited videos! LOL! I'd recommend the Mushkin XP3-12800 4GB Memory Kit, but they are a little pricey :(

[JackaFord]

I've got an ATI X1950 Pro which requires upto 30A on a 12v rail.

My current PSU is 2 rails at 18A each, which isn't powerful enough, so I've been looking at some new power supplies.

I decided that the Corsair TX range are the best, but was not sure about whether to get the 650W or 750W power supply.

The 650W is more than powerful enough, but I was wondering whether it would be wiser to buy the 750W model to allow for future upgrades.

Thank you, Jack.

[3DGAMEMAN]

Yes, if you have an extra few bucks I would upgrade to the 750W :)

[banido]

Well if you choose the Asus M3A32-MVP in the AMD computer, wouldn't it be better to also choose the HIS 4850 512MB because the motherboard has X4 Crossfire support? You can always add more ATI cards(even different models) in the future. And the HD4850 has a performance that rivals with the 9800GTX, and it's cheaper.

I've seen benchmarks where the ATI 4850 in crossfire beats the GTX280 in many games, and they can be bought by almost half the price of the Nvidia card.

[worshipme213]

I agree.

[Vitrisek]

whats the best cpu cooler.......aircooling

[mroam88]

Great video, and I also enjoy your other videos. BUT I would have to disagree about the intel processor. I would prefer the Q6600 since it's relatively cheap and has great overclocking potential.

[freakEXTREME11]

i agree with mroam88

[Aar0nl9]

but you get more L2 cache its 45nm and it is also very overclock able but starts out with a higher stock clock

[recadra]

Clockspeed isn't telling much at all, Aar0nl9. Look at how a core2duo with 2ghz performs against a pentium 4 with 3ghz for example.

[Aar0nl9]

of course it isn't the only thing to look for but if it isn't very important why do so many people overclock? again i know there are many important things but clockspeed is still important

[whitefoxx52]

what about the psu

[3DGAMEMAN]

Corsair TX650 PSU

[ZSwordProductions]

Here is my question: What would you use for a mid-range gaming computer built in a SFF case?

[3DGAMEMAN]

Yes, many gamers use SFF cases for LAN parties and they are really fast. It really depends on the Video Card used for the most part. You just need to find a SFF case that will fit all your gear. This would make an excellent video "SFF Gaming Computer". hmmm

[Youngallstar]

not to be picky or anything 3dgame man your reviews are the best! but when you mention AMD systems you say to use a "NVIDIA" video card instead of a ati model, and when you mention Intel systems you say to use a "ATI" video card? Are you recommending those just because of the particular motherboards you picked out for the systems or do you not belive in keeping ATI with AMD and INTEL with NVIDIA? obviously i know it has to do with the motherboard if it allows cross fire or sli just wanted to ask

[3DGAMEMAN]

Yea, it's because of SLI (NVIDIA) and Crossfire (ATI) compatibility. You can use a single video card in just about any motherboard. It's just that when using multiple video cards you need a motherboard specially built to handle it.

[gencthegreat]

I think you made this video from the specs I sent you. But I forgot to mention the PC Components I listed were all in seperate bundles and it added up to $640, and with all the coolers $704.

[N33con]

Why not buy the antec 1200 case ?

[nightfox1234]

u have 2 b kiddin me.. ill unsubscribe now, u know why ? cause u put vista on a gaming pc . SHAME ON YOU. How much did the mother pay u ?

[sashaalx03]

WISTA has Dx10

that's why it's better for gaming n00b

[sashaalx03]

vista*

[abecker1028]

i hate you nightfox. and your name is gay too!!!!!!!! yay!!!!

[nightfox1234]

go fuck you shithead, as for my name go ask ur mom she knows better

[chiefredbeard]

Yeah! Vista is poop, so is GeIL

[chrismon1001]

WOW, really don't u want to use DX 10 ya vista ftw, now its not even that buggy, and only laggy if your computer is shit.

[Skutz0r]

Its a MID range PC, has 4GB of ram will easily handle VISTA, VISTA is far better with the 4GB than u think, at idle for XP the Physucal memory for is around 300 to 400, Vista is 400 to 800, underload is gets to around 2gb (depending on what your running) so tbh as long as the 4GB memory is in there, as long as you aint stupid Vista will work fine, now i aint a vista fan boy i dont like it, but its good for gaming on mid to high end PC's

[cartmanrulez32]

dude people use vista for gaming now. And prolyl in the near future if you are still using XP every1 using Vista. people will be playing better games in Dx10 and in near future games will be only on vista

[murda1991]

heres a question - How can I get my 8800 GT's in SLI to work on dual monitors? for now I can only use SLI on one monitor at a time.

[3DGAMEMAN]

You're not going to like my answer. You can run two monitors, but not in SLI.

[murda1991]

Yeah.. I knew that =(

[hobo831]

what are some of the best computer mods out there?

[FOOSAG]

Great video! You should do more of these videos along with hardware reviews.

[saudikid]

yay im 1st!! dude ur the best!!

[patchy500]

Another great Q&A when you starting your reviews again?

thanks

Patchy