Dual Survival Cauterization Response

[DianondHTactical]

luv my quick clot

[Aar0nMiami]

you  shoulda cut yourself

[weerobot]

very low sound quality

[sigma3survivalschool]

Dave and Cody both say not to do this method in this video. There are very few reasons for use of this method. I happen to wilderness and herbal medicine expert. If you don't like my opinion, don't watch! One of my instructors was onsite expertise for Dual Survival and is good friends with the producer. I know what goes on behind the scenes! ANother instructor of mine worked for Dave. I know his skill level. Kudos to him but I prefer this method. To each his own!

[GWHcraig1088]

i love dave's vids he's awesome! dont get me wrong im also subscribed to your videos as well!

[jraybu09]

whether you are in combat or not dude if you cut the femoral artery, or any artery for that matter...lacerations are serious...and by the way, both cody and dave practice what they preach

[todell57455]

I think Dave's is more effective for serious life-or-death wounds. These are my reasons:

1. any1 can do it. Morons go into the wild all the time. u're supposed to be telling them how 2 survive in ways that are feasible 4 them 2 do w/o training.

2. ur's takes time. u have 2 gather the materials 4 a fire (more than going to ur comfy home & getting a fire stick) & light a fire 2 melt the sap u've collected in ur abundant free time while bleeding 2 death.

[sigma3survivalschool]

@todell57455 Guess you don't understand what cauterization is for as they didn't really explain it on the show. You cannot light off a heavy wound that you have not stopped the bleeding. You have to stop the bleeding so the blood doesn't soak the powder. If its wet it won't light. So either way you have to take time to treat the wound first. The cauterization is a way to prevent infection in deep wounds and too keep the wound from re-bleeding by burning it.

[todell57455]

@sigma3survivalschool "You cannot light off a heavy wound that u have not stopped the bleeding." I'll have to disagree w/ that, Dave did it fine. Yes, u need dry powder to light, sprinkle some outside the wound, and the heat from that will flash-dry the rest and light it at the same time.

In case u don't know, cauterization was used to STOP bleeding from the Ancient Greeks 2 the Wild West. I guess that disproves ur theory that cauterization is just used 2 prevent infection

[sigma3survivalschool]

@todell57455 This is getting a bit redundant. Dave's wound was minor and he even states in the freaking video that he would not recommend that anyone do this. Cody goes on to further agree with my previous statements that you can't light a wound that is bleeding heavily. And daves wound was barely bleeding and it didn't even work the first time. Check your facts brother! Can't post link but search -Dual Survival Cody Lights Daves Arms on fire- Watch it and then tell me I'm wrong!

[theoriginalwah]

Yep

[sigma3survivalschool]

@1phreshboii1 Everyone knows what a pine tree is and they all have the same properties. And if you don't know what a pine tree is then you should not be in the woods anyway. And you sure as hell shouldn't be lighting your arm on fire if you have no basic understanding of wilderness medicine. But to each his own, I wouldn't light my arm on fire unless it was a combat situation and I was bleeding out and it meant life or death.

[todell57455]

@sigma3survivalschool

"...you don't know what a pine tree is then u shouldn't be in the woods..." That's why you did this Youtube show (r have u forgotten?) TO TEACH PPL W/ NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE WILD HOW 2 SURVIVE!! Go under the impression ppl r idiots.

"...I wouldn't light my arm on fire unless it was a combat situation and i was bleeding out and it meant life or death." That's just stupid. What if you were bleeding out and it meant life or death but you were on a fishing trip?

[sigma3survivalschool]

@todell57455 Maybe you didn't understand what I meant. If I had to deal with a wound on the move because I was in combat. You can't start a fire and your enemy might over run your position. Then I would light off a wound in order to survive short term. But I would not do it for a fishing trip. And I have never met a person in my life that doesn't know what a pine tree is. And if they don't then this video is not for them!

[todell57455]

"But I would not do it for a fishing trip." Fine, go out w/ a fishing rod, bring a machete, chop off ur arm, and then try UR method before out die of blood loss.

"I have never met a person in my life that doesn't know what a pine tree is..." Fine, just so you can feel better, I'll re-word it special 4 u. What if you cant, in the stress of dying and all, identify a pine tree? What if you're in the freaking desert and there's no trees? What if...?

[Grunt922]

@todell57455 anyone who chops off their arm on accident with a tool like a machete probably shouldn't be living in the first place so they dont multiply and spread their stupidity.

[sigma3survivalschool]

@Grunt922 Exactly! Thank you!

[sigma3survivalschool]

@todell57455 If you are bleeding that bad you don't need to light the wound off. You probably need a tourniquet. Now if the wound was so bad that I couldn't stop the bleeding then I would consider applying a tourniquet briefly to stop bleeding and then cauterizing the wound. What is with the what if's. What if you don't have gun powder which most people don't carry. My method doesn't cover all situations. I am just providing an alternative, not selling it as the ultimate method.

[todell57455]

@sigma3survivalschool "What if u dont have gun powder, which most people dont carry."Unlike you, I actually have an answer 4 that question. Gunpowder is only 1 way 2 cauterize a wound, & it is stupid 2 think that Dave & Cody have the time & energy 2 show all the ways. If u have a hot enough fire, a hot metal stove like in wood cabins, alcohol & a match, u can theoretically cauterize a wound. My point is it covers more situations than ur method, which is 2 long & impractical.

[tysy73]

@todell57455 Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean everyone else is. What Dave and Cody did is called "production value" to make the show interesting. Consider it their version of myth busters.

[todell57455]

@tysy73 ...What "myth" were they busting, then? The myth that you seem to want to cling to, that cauterization can't be used to stop major bleeding?

[Sniper11712]

Video would have been allot better if you would have shown us how to powderize the oak bark.

[matthewfischer]

what type of plants can be used to ward off infection of a wound?

I live in the pacific northwest, what type of plants serve the purpose in this region?

[sigma3survivalschool]

@matthewfischer I'm not a Pacific NW expert. But any tree that has tannic acids will work. Take any non poisonous tree bark and put a piece in your mouth and if it drys it out and gives you cottonmouth then it has tannic acids in it. I'm sure you have several pine species also, birch is good one too!

[MrCableguyken]

Ash is a good choice as well....it seals the cleans all in one step.

[sigma3survivalschool]

Bark is more potent and would be my first choice. Acorns typically have a much higher moisture content than acorns and wouldn't work as well.

[JOCAMPO87]

@sigma3survivalschool ACORNS typically have a much higher moisture content thant ACORNS?

[sigma3survivalschool]

@JOCAMPO87 Sorry, Acorns have a higher moisture content than bark and wouldn't work as well

[REFIGUY69]

could one use crushed acorns from an oak- they are full of tannic acid to sprinkle into wound before using the adhesive pine pitch?

or is the bark more potent?

[earthworkzen]

Awesome info.do you know Arthur Haines by chance?I look forward to seeing some others.Thanks for Sharing.

[Nebulax123]

If I may offer an opinion remember that Dave and Cody are presenting things that are possible and not necessarily the best option. Dave and Cody both will tell you there are better ways to handle cuts and I think this was addressed because it is something that was used historically. Both of them said on the show this was not the best way to go but was and is an option. Also cauterizing done properly should sterilize the wound and since it is now closed keep out infection.

[joe2trees]

Excellent advice. I would like to point out the antimicrobial facts by saying million year old insects have been preserved in amber which is dried pine sap !

[rondygal]

As always a very good video describing what to use, alternatives and variations. Just an all around good piece of work. I am thinking hard about making me some tannic powder to keep in my 1st aid kit. Did I hear you correctly that poplar bark can be used? I know I could go look it up..lol Thanks for this. We aren't always as prepared as we would like to admit.

[sigma3survivalschool]

@rondygal Thanks for the compliments! Poplar bark was used but a huge amount of plants and trees out there contain tannic acid including: willow, oak, poplar, birch, and many more! One way you can tell if something has tannic acids in it is if you taste it will give you cotton mouth. Ever try a persimmon before they are ripe, they taste like a bag of chalk and that is the tannic acid in the fruit. Its literally in 1000's of different plants if you know what to look for!

[rondygal]

@sigma3survivalschool All good to know. So what is it in Alder Bark that makes your mouth numb? lol I am just wondering because it is really excellant wood for smoking, but you had best de-bark it while it's green!

[sigma3survivalschool]

@rondygal Alder is in the birch family. And many of the species I mentioned contain Salicin in them including Alder and Salicin is what aspirin is made from. That is why I highly recommend this method because many of these plants have massive amounts of anti-inflammatory compounds. Modern medicine hasn't replaced God's creation we have just lost touch with its capabilities. If you think that makes your mouth goes numb then try Yarrow it is like Oragel but better. It also numbs the skin!

[rondygal]

@sigma3survivalschool You are teaching me so much! I really appreciate the time and thought in your responses. I bought a book on Native American herbal medicine, and it goes into what the different tribes, in different parts of the country used. Very interesting and informative. Again, thank you!!

[Grunt922]

@sigma3survivalschool just curious but what kind of multi tool do you have with you in this vid?

[sigma3survivalschool]

@Grunt922 Some kind of gerber. I hate gerber. But my favorite is leatherman charge TTI

[Grunt922]

@sigma3survivalschool i liked gerber before they moved to china. in all honesty i cant support a company that took jobs away from americans and moved to china. but ive heard only good things about the charge. thanks for the response, keep the vids coming =)

[lone1sniper]

I agree completely with your assement of what Dave did in the show. If you watch Cody, he was extremely hesitant to use the gunpowder. Nice vid.

[Heavyb2u]

I love Dave and his channel. I've learned quite a bit from him. Having said that, it upsets me to see people bashing this guy for simply showing alternatives. It seems immature. As much as I respect what Dave does, I'm not going to be blind to everyone else who has different ideas. Doing so would be ridiculous.

This is the first video I have seen of from sigma3survival, but by judging by this single post, he makes sense. I'm subscribing.

[Heavyb2u]

@mem7048 Holy cow man. I think you missed what this guy is doing. He isn't taking anything away from Dave. He is simply showing alternative methods that may be safer if the means are available. Dave takes other people's ideas and modifies them without people freaking out and acting childish. This guy is doing the same. He is sharing knowledge. Would you be so upset if he came up with a different way to make a spider shelter?

[dcordry]

Very informative video! Keep up the good work. Your methods are quite interesting, I like your approach. This kind of bushcraft is something that everyone can benefit from.

[stone4bread]

excellent videos



[Kmurray9244]

@mem7048 You need to realize television is not reality! Cauterization should never be done, frankly! The risk of further tissue damage, risk of infection, and traumatic shock are greater than any benefit.

The use of BLACK powder as medicine is well documented, but the igniting of the black powder is more myth than fact. I love Dual Survival, but you have to realize Discovery's goal is entertainment, not education. So don't get upset when someone offering education conflicts with your TV

[beast12101]

that yarrow/pitch combo would be great, I think the hard thing would be to address the wound for cleaning the next day, to be redressed. still a valuable tool for the tool box, thanks

[donaldphinney]

The gunpowder method work very well for bigger cuts, but for smaller ones the pitch method is awesome. I would add to this that it is important to heat up the pitch real hot to fry the bug and cooties that tend to be stuck in the pitch and make it a bit more sterile, also the more you heat it up the more it will shrink and dry harder when it cools

[sigma3survivalschool]

@donaldphinney I'd disagree that gunpowder is better for bigger cuts. Because blood loss is the only real issue to worry about when deciding between the two methods. Burning is only going to cause further inflammation. The only time I would use gunpowder is if I had massive bleeding and had to seal the wound instantly. But if given the opportunity I would try the oak bark or some type of powderized plant first if available. Good stuff. Thanks for the commentary!

[donaldphinney]

@sigma3survivalschool Have used both methods, on deeper cuts cauterizing the wound seems to work better, Especially with deep punctures. For the gashes and more surface or open wounds I do like the astringents (I usually carry alum) followed by sealing up the wound . Unfortunately often on the deeper cuts a pocket of infected puss tends to develop unless you either cauterize or can find sterile wicking to drain what will soon be an infected abscess. good vid though have used that method a lot

[sigma3survivalschool]

@donaldphinney I can agree with that. Very deep cuts are a whole different ball game. I would deal with infection of those by continually making a strong tea with tannic acids to pour in the wound. Would then cover it with a special salve I make. Then I would use a more flexible pine pitch bandage or good pressure bandage to cover it. But keep in mind that this was demonstrated for short term solutions for massive wounds. Always different methods available for primitive living treatment! Thanks!

[tekknorat]

Cool intro, the dude in ghillie is badass ;)

[timochio1953]

Well,I want to thank you for the vid.Why do we always have to choose sides in this area?.Same with all the so called patriots.Either you are on my side or you are the enemy.I didnt think it was a bashing of Dave.I just think it was a different view on the same topic..Please keep up the good work.

[sigma3survivalschool]

@mem7048 Not bashing Dave at all. He is a great instructor. Did you hear me make one deragotory statement at all? Just wanted to demonstrate proper methods for treating wounds such as large cuts that don't involve dealing with the dangers of gun powder. This is bar none a more effective method. He did that method for ratings and not for substance. SOrry to hear you don't like the vid.