"Besides it was I who started the rumour about the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest expiring. I did this to get some attention for the plight of the Macedonian people living in Greece, especially from the Macedonians from other parts of Macedonia."
Lol I wonder what are the macedonian politicians smoking to come up with this crap ..Congrats on becoming the laughing stock of the world macedonians ! Their capitol looks like the Asterix park in Paris ,only made worse...You can`t make up stuff and pass it around like it`s actually history ,get it through your thick skulls...
MODERN greeks GEYS! are the descendents of the slavs, albanians and vlachs that immigrated to greece during the 11.to the 14.. centuries AD and all other people that subsequently settled in that region ever since....
The DNA record does not back up your claim troll. You former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians are ANTI-Macedonians. It is a a historical fact Ancient Macedonians loved hellenism. They didn't just substitute word BULGARIAN with Macedonian.
'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.'
(former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth')
"We are not stating by accident that Josip Broz Tito is Jesus Christ for Macedonia, a father and a mother for Macedonia. Because we have, in that time, after NOB, for the first time created a Macedonian alphabet, a Macedonian television, a Macedonian state, a language, a passport, an identity card, a university for the first time, a Macedonian academy for the first time. We, communists, have created the Macedonian Orthodox church." - Slobodan Ugrinovski,
"And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We’re now writing our history. We can’t write that until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians.” - Krste Crvenkovski (President of the Central Committee of the Union of Communists in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) to Todor Zhivkov (First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Bulgaria) – May 19, 1967
"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were from the regions of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia."
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
Why are you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians oppressing your own heritage and pretending to be macedonians? Are you ashamed of Bulgarian roots?
How very sad it is the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslav region of Vardar oppress their own Bulgarian heritage and instead pretend to be Greeks.
Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components—name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association—were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia. - Anthony D. Smith British Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity LSE
You modern Bulgarians in FYROM who pretend to be "Macedonians" are very sad. Why do you oppress your Bulgarian heritage? Are you ashamed of your Bulgarian ancestry?
Greece backrupt has more the twice the GDP/capita and less than half the unemployment of Paeonia (aka FYROM). You losers are so pathetic you even parasitically thieve off our identity and pretend to be Macedonians. Go get your own identity Bulgarian-in-denial
"I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of “Paeonia” as the most suitable for Skopje . [...]"Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Ancient Macedonian historian Nicholas Hammond, “Macedonian Echo” in February, 1999
'We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek - ''Kiro Gligorov first President of FYROM Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)
Why are you evading the statements by your own government officials? Are you that ashamed of your Bulgarian heritage that you need to harass Macedonians for their identity?
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness” - Krste Misirkov
"As long as the blood runs in my veins, my Bulgarian soul will always be for the freedom of Macedonia and her Bulgarian people. For I hope it will not be held against me that I, as a Macedonian, place the interests of my country before all. I am a Macedonian, I have a Macedonian consciousness and so I have my own view of the past, present and future. " - Krste Misirkov
Let us not allow the splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one common disease. If this disease had not been present in our ancestors, from whom we inherited it, they would have never fallen under the sceptre of the Turkish Sultan... " - Gotse Delchev, IMRO leader, Letter to Nikola Malashevski, Jan. 5 1899
Are you as ashamed of your Bulgarian heritage like Delchev was? You Bulgarian ancestors were be deeply disappointed that you've renounced them and instead pretend to be Greeks.
@GemistusPletho oh really? we pretended to be Greeks (Macedonians), yeah sure, we've kept our heritage for thousands of years haggismalaka, dont you worry about that
You former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians are such illiterate morons that you don't realize by claiming to be ancient Macedonians... and ancient Macedonians self-identifying as Greeks... you are effectively, unwittingly, claiming to be Greeks.
Holy shadows of the dead, I'm not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
The spoke Koine GREEK. Koine Greek means "common" Greek you illiterate moron. If you knew how to read or speak GREEK you'd recognize the GREEK writing on all the ancient Macedonian artifacts your ANTI-Macedonian government pawns off as its own.
@GemistusPletho the ancient Macedonians had their own language that wasnt Greek you faggot, Macedonia wasnt even a Greek state back then, something that Ive been trying to get into your bloody head of yours!
What kind of "Macedonian" prefers to speak Bulgarian dialect rather than a Greek dialect? Ancient Macedonians loved Hellenism. You anti-Macedonians hate it and instead substitute with your BULGARIAN culture.
@kosta67reth no, in our language today, there are surviviing words in it, but its not 100% ancient Macedonian. The Kalash's langauge is different to ours that we speak of but Im not sure If their language too is ancient Macedonian as well because I think that over the centuries it has changed, I dont know
our koine language has also changed but we can still read and comprehend it
on the other hand your Greek language changed to Bulgarian
are you listening to yourself majmun?
ancient Macedonians were Greeks and you Slavs who migrated into the Balkans almost a thousand years after Alexander's death have nothing to do with them.
@kosta67reth I dont know what the ancient Macedonian language changed to, all I know is that todays Macedonian langauge has nothing to do with the ancient one and its not Greek of course, with some surviving words in them, thats a fact and truth to it
to exoun xasei entlos oi Boulgaroi, se ligo tha mperdeftoun toso me tis paparies pou tous gemizoun to myalo pou tha mas lene pos aftoi einai oi gnisioi Ellines kia oxi emeis
prosopika exo empeiria me tous seismous kai de masao
ston seismo tis Thessalonikis imoun stin Pella (eixame kai ti diki mas pigi seismon ekei konta sto Paiko pou mas kounage kala) kai ston seismo tis Kalamatas ypiretousa stin Tripoli.
Macedonia has inherited a complex ethnic structure. The largest group, calling themselves Macedonians , are descendants of Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th centuries ad.Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is written in the Cyrillic script.In language, religion, and history, a case could be made for identifying Macedonian Slavs with Bulgarians and to a lesser extent with Serbs.
'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.' - Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth' (one of few men in FYROM who isn't a coward)
"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were from the regions of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia." - James R. Grossman, University of Chicago
So confused with his Modern Greek identity created in the late 18th Century that he has to make video's and try and convince outsiders that they are the real Macedonians. Its to steer people from knowing their real Turkoglou identities...
If it quacks like an 'oglou' , walks sideways like a 'oglou' then it must be a Turkoglou ;-)
You like giving lectures about history but don't even know about your BULGARIAN past?
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World"
Does big fat liar Risto Stefov tell you about his BULGARIAN heritage? Or does he hide it and feed you a steady stream of lies?
'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians? - Krste Misirkov
@ Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece “Some will ask why I speak of breaking away from the Bulgarians when in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians ” - Krste Misirkov
" The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian"- Krste Misirkov
"As long as the blood runs in my veins, my Bulgarian soul will always be for the freedom of Macedonia and her Bulgarian people. For I hope it will not be held against me that I, as a Macedonian, place the interests of my country before all. I am a Macedonian, I have a Macedonian consciousness and so I have my own view of the past, present and future. " - Krste Misirkov
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness” - Krste Misirkov
LOL.... Well Slavs generally all look similar just like the Greeks look like Turks, Lebs, Egyptians etc. Now tell me Lebo, How can Alexander be a Leb looking Greek?
Nope... he was Macedonian, just like me.!!
Greece, a nation of Malaka's BEGGING for a Euro because they cannot self suffice
Nice evasion. You former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians were part of the Ottoman empire even longer than Greeks. If we are "turkish" for being part of the Ottoman empire... you are even more so.
Alexander and ancient Macedonians were SELF-IDENTIFYING Greeks. No amount of "recognition" will every change the Greek writing on ancient Macedonian artifacts into the Bulgarian dialect the communists renamed Macedonian.
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
It was also being reported last night that the German government wants Greece to hand over control of tax and spending decisions to a 'budget commissioner' appointed by the rest of the eurozone, before the country gets its second bail-out.
The Telegraph
YOU are NOT in control.
YOU have NO nation anymore
Leave Macedonia to the Macedonians and go home to Turkey. Your Turkish Yaya misses you.
My dear Turko_Bulgarian friend... the very fact you hypocrtically attempt to deny our identity as Greeks only proves what manipulative racist POS you are. Even you assholes know deep down ancient macedonians were self-identifying Greeks. Go get your own identity troll.
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992
Macedonia is already in Greece troll. Ancient Paeonai (where FYROM is situated) is not part of the original Macedonia. (and you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians have nothing to do with ancient Macedonians who self-identified as GREEKS)
"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument” - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS, 31 March 2008
“We talked a long time about the goal of this organization and at last we fixed it on autonomy of Macedonia with the priority of the Bulgarian element. We couldn’t accept the position for “direct joining to Bulgaria” because we saw that it would meet big difficulties by reason of confrontation of the Great powers ..... It passed through our thoughts that one autonomous Macedonia could easier unite with Bulgaria”
Ο απώτερος σκοπός τους ήταν, φυσικά, η τελική διεκδίκιση των εδαφών αυτών από την Οθωμανική Αυτοκρατορία και την Ελλάδα και η παραχώρησή τους σ' αυτήν από τις Μεγάλες Δυνάμεις, παρουσιάζοντας στην Μακεδονία έναν "αμιγή" δήθεν Βουλγαρικό πληθυσμό!
Οι βουλγαρικές αυτές συμμορίες λήστευαν, έκλεβαν και βίαζαν τον πληθυσμό, ενώ ταυτόχρονα εξόντωναν τους πιστούς στο Οικουμενικό Πατριαρχείο ή όσους θεωρούσαν ότι αποτελούσαν "δεσμό" μεταξύ της Μακεδονίας και της υπόλοιπης Ελλάδας (Αρχιερείς, Ιερείς, προεστούς, δασκάλους, εξέχοντες πολίτες, κλπ).
Οι Βούλγαροι άρχισαν να εγείρουν διεκδικήσεις επί της Μακεδονικής γης από το 1870, αλλά από το 1895 και μετά, ένοπλες βουλγαρικές συμμορίες που ονομάστηκαν "κομιτατζήδες", εκμεταλλευόμενοι την πλήρη αδιαφορία (αλλά και την ανικανότητα) της Οθωμανικής Αυτοκρατορίας και των τοπικών τουρκικών αρχών,
...>υπέβαλλαν σε απερίγραπτα βασανιστήρια τον ελληνικό πληθυσμό της Μακεδονίας ώστε να απαρνηθή την εθνικότητά του και να αποδεχθεί την Βουλγαρική Εξαρχεία σαν θρησκευτική του αρχή αντί του Οικουμενικού Πατριαρχείου Κωνσταντινοπούλεως και να υποκείψει στις Βουλγαρικές αξιώσεις.
Ο Μακεδονικός Αγώνας προκλήθηκε από την "αρπακτικότητα" και την επεκτατική διάθεση των Βουλγάρων, οι οποίοι από την εποχή που ίδρυσαν το νεώτερο κράτος τους, επεδίωξαν να επεκτείνουν και τα γεωγραφικά όρια του κράτους τους ώστε να συμπεριλάβει και την Μακεδονία και να επιτύχουν έτσι διέξοδο στο Αγαίο Πέλαγος και την Μεσόγειο θάλασσα!
Γκότσε Ντέλτσεφ προς τον Νίκολα Mαλέσεφσκι: "Διαχωρισμοί και διασπάσεις δεν πρέπει καθόλου να μας τρομάζουν. Πράγματι είναι λυπηρό, αλλά τι μπορούμε να κάνουμε αφού είμαστε Βούλγαροι και όλοι υποφέρουμε απο την ίδια ασθένεια! Αν αυτή η ασθένεια δεν υπήρχε στους προγόνους μας και μας την κληρονόμησαν δεν θα πέφταμε κάτω απο το άσχημο σκήπτρο των Τούρκων σουλτάνων ... "
Όποιον άκουγαν οι αρχές να μιλάει μακεδόνικα, τον «πότιζαν» , μεταξύ των άλλων, με ρετσινόλαδο και για μια-δυο βδομάδες δεν μπορούσε να συνέλθει από διάρροια και εμετούς. Τα χρόνια περνούσαν και οι συμφορές για τους Μακεδόνες δεν είχαν τελειωμό. Εγώ πιστεύω ότι θα βρεθούν άνθρωποι που θα ξεπεράσουν την τρομοκρατία και το φόβο τους και θα περιγράψουν καλύτερα από μένα το γολγοθά αυτόν.
1913 ήρθε η «απελευθέρωση» από την Ελλάδα και οι πιο δημοκρατικοί, ανθρώπινοι και δίκαιοι Έλληνες, έκαψαν και γκρέμισαν με την σειρά τους αυτά που δεν έκαψαν οι Τούρκοι. Και σχολεία και εκκλησίες. Με νόμο απαγόρεψαν τη μακεδόνικη γλώσσα. Ποιός δεν έχει ακούσει για το ρετσινόλαδο!
όσοι κάτοικοι της Ελλάδος πιστεύουσιν εις Βουλγαρίαν είναι οι γνήσιοι Μακεδόνες κι ας μιλούν Βουλάρικα κι ας ονομάζονται Ζοραν, Μπράνκο και Μπλαγκόγιε
Many of the Greeks living in Greek Macedonia are actually refugees that came to Macedonia during the First World War and especially during the 1920's and 1930' from Turkey, the Middle East, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine and Bulgaria.
Correction. They came BACK to their homeland (like the Jews and Israel). This is unlike the Bulgarian Slavs who moved to Paeonia (FYROM) nearly a thousand years after Alexander.
Where did I exaggerate? Are not the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslav republic trying to steal the identity of Greeks? Since when is identity theft a "human right"?
Why don't you remind everyone what your former First president meant by these words?
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992
Nice comeback ethnic denier. Go fuck yourself you fascist asshole
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - "Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004 page 125
Funny that this Grik Cigan with the numerous accounts has a Turkish family name and has the hide to come on Macedonian channels harassing us Macedonians.
“We talked a long time about the goal of this organization and at last we fixed it on autonomy of Macedonia with the priority of the Bulgarian element. We couldn’t accept the position for “direct joining to Bulgaria” because we saw that it would meet big difficulties by reason of confrontation of the Great powers ..... It passed through our thoughts that one autonomous Macedonia could easier unite with Bulgaria…”
@istoriify Γειά σου ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ ,ΚΟΜΙΤΑΤΖΗ ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΕ , το Ουράνιο τόξο αργοπεθαίνει και θα σβήσει πολύ σύντομα κι εσύ είχες,έχεις και θα συνεχίσεις να έχεις τα παπάρια μας,ΠΑΠΑΡΟΦΑΙ εσείς οι ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ είστε τα μιάσματα της ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗΣ ΓΗΣ ΜΑΣ ,κι όλοι σας θα ξεκουμπιστήτε στα ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑ σας.
@istoriify Αναγνωρίζουμε ότι ζούν στη ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΜΑΣ περίπου 4500 Γυφτοσκοπιανοί κομιτατζήδες Βούλγαροι απόγονοι δολοφόνων Ελλήνων,ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΠΟΣΟΣΤΟ ΠΗΡΕ ΤΟ ΟΥΡΑΝΙΟ ΤΟΞΟ ΣΤΙΣ ΤΕΛΕΥΤΑΙΕΣ ΕΚΛΟΓΕΣ. Πουστροσκοπιανέ μιλάς με έναν ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑ ΝΤΟΠΙΟ ΚΑΙ ΓΝΗΣΙΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΑ ΑΠΟ ΠΑΠΠΟΥ ΠΡΟΣ ΠΑΠΠΟΥ ΜΕ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΟ ΔΕΝΔΡΟ ,που την κωλόγλωσσά σου την έχει ακούσει μόνο εδώ μέσα από το Youtube.Γαμώ την προπαγάνδα σου,χώστην στον τρύπιο τον κώλο σου και ξεκουμπίσου στα Γυφτοσκόπια σου.
@gampcptn . Πώς είναι δυνατόν, αυτοί που εκδιώχθηκαν να μην είναι ’ Έλληνες το γένος’ και οι συγγενείς τους, που παρέμειναν στην Ελλάδα να είναι Έλληνες και μάλιστα οι ελληνικές αρχές να κάνουν το παν για να τους πείσουν; Πώς γίνεται ο ένας αδερφός να χάνει την υπηκοότητά του και να μην του επιτρέπεται να επιστρέψει στη Ελλάδα διότι δεν είναι Έλληνας και ο άλλος αδερφός να πείθεται από το κράτος ότι είναι ‘γνήσιος’ Έλλην, απόγονος του Σωκράτη και του Περικλή; Πώς είναι δυνατόν άραγε;
@istoriify - απόγονε του Ντέλτσεβ και του Σωκράτη...!!!
Να τι εστί Βούλγαροι
Μεταχειρίστηκαν την ψυχολογική βία, το φόνο, τη δολοφονία, ακόμα και την απάτη. Για να παραπλανήσουν τους Έλληνες της Μακεδονίας, τα λεγόμενα Βουλγάρικα κομιτάτα, έριξαν το σύνθημα: " Η Μακεδονία για τους Μακεδόνες " και ζήτησαν τη συνδρομή τους, στον κοινό δήθεν αγώνα, κατά των Τούρκων.
@istoriify <<<<<------- 'Ενας από τις 4500 Γυφτοσκοπιανούς εν Ελλάδι.
Ρε δεν πα ξεφουρνίζει ο τρύπιος ο κώλος θεωρίες και να κάνεις copy paste από τα κωλοαρχεία σου,παρμένεις Βούλγαρος και ξέρεις πολύ καλά ότι το όνομά σας εδώ στη Μακεδονία είναι ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ.Μαλάκα η παγκόσμια ιστορία έχει γραφθεί ήδη,ΕΣΕΙΣ ΟΙ ΓΥΦΤΟΙ ΔΕΝ ΜΠΟΡΕΙΤΕ ΝΑ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΑΝΕΓΓΡΑΨΕΤΕ,με τίποτα.ΟΛΟΣ Ο ΚΟΣΜΟΣ ΞΕΡΕΙ,ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ=ΕΛΛΑΔΑ.
@gampcptn Το 1982, ψηφίστηκε στο ελληνικό κοινοβούλιο νόμος (αρ. πρωτ. 106841/29.12.82 ,Γεννηματά-Σκουλαρίκη), ο οποίος επέτρεπε την επιστροφή όλων των πολιτικών προσφύγων, οι οποίοι ήταν «Έλληνες το γένος». Αποκλείονταν δηλαδή όλοι οι Μακεδόνες από Костур-Καστοριά, Лерин-Φλώρινα, Воден-Έδεσσα, Кукуш-Κιλκίς, Негуш-Νάουσα, Солун-Θεσσαλονίκη, Сер-Σέρρες, Драм-Δράμα. Δηλαδή τα αδέρφια μας, οι γονείς μας, οι παπούδες μας, οι γείτονές μας, οι συγχωριανοί μας.
Από το 1877 έως 1912 το Σαντζάκ ήταν μέρος του Κοσσυφοπεδίου βιλαέτι. Πήρε το όνομά του Köprülü από τον ιδρυτή του Μεχμέτ Κοπρολου, ένα Μεγάλο Βεζύρη της Οθωμανικής Αυτοκρατορίας. Η πόλη μετονομάστηκε απο τους Σέρβους με τη σλαβική λέξη Βέλες.
Μετά το Β 'Παγκόσμιο Πόλεμο, η πόλη ήταν γνωστή ως Titov Veles από τον πρόεδρο της Γιουγοσλαβίας Γιόσιπ Μπροζ Τίτο, αλλά η «Titov» αφαιρέθηκε το 1996.
There is absolutely no expiry date on the Treaty of Bucharest ....Your god Risto the Clown LIED to you losers!
Risto Stefov Admits Brainwashing Blunder
americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...
FYROMSKI 2 hours ago
@FYROMSKI
Stefov (nice Bulgarian name) is an historian (every Fyromian is an historian you ignorant Greek), he knows better
of course there is an expiry date on the Bucharest Treaty, it always expires "next year"
so wait till next year and you will see
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"Besides it was I who started the rumour about the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest expiring. I did this to get some attention for the plight of the Macedonian people living in Greece, especially from the Macedonians from other parts of Macedonia."
FYROMSKI 2 hours ago
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"Even though the title of this book makes reference to the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest expiring, in reality this Treaty has no expiration date."
The Fyromian sheeple are the most gullible, naive, uneducated, and most easily brainwashed clowns on the planet!
FYROMSKI 2 hours ago
Lol I wonder what are the macedonian politicians smoking to come up with this crap ..Congrats on becoming the laughing stock of the world macedonians ! Their capitol looks like the Asterix park in Paris ,only made worse...You can`t make up stuff and pass it around like it`s actually history ,get it through your thick skulls...
kentrillbg1 6 hours ago
@kentrillbg1 bro Macedonia is in Greece ,,,, you mean FYROM ...
yes,,,the world is just jealous because 2 FYROMians can make a MONKEYDONIAN ..
FYROBABOONSKA1 5 hours ago
@FYROBABOONSKA1 get a life bitch
BorisNailedHisNANNY 2 hours ago
fack of mazedonien..
(AKSH) Mazedonien is ALBANIEN.....
shopzw 7 hours ago 3
jesus ...same faces same shit xaxaxaxaxxaxa....
fraerot 9 hours ago
@fraerot why are you talking to your parents like that??
FYROMalwaysBULGARIA 8 hours ago
@fraerot HAIL,me fYROM ALBO , me and you patriots. Long life to fYROM TIMELESS.
gyftosvalkan 7 hours ago
ΤΑ ΑΙΣΘΗΜΑΤΑ ΤΩΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΜΟΛΙΣ ΠΛΗΡΟΦΟΡΗΘΗΚΑΝ ΤΟΝ ΘΑΝΑΤΟ ΤΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ
"Ο Αλέξανδρος νεκρός; Αδύνατον.. Ολόκληρος ο κόσμος θα έπρεπε να έχει βρωμίσει από την μπόχα που αναδύει το πτώμα του "
istoriify 13 hours ago
@istoriify
karagiooooooozoooooooooooooooooooo
minottauruss 13 hours ago
MODERN greeks GEYS! are the descendents of the slavs, albanians and vlachs that immigrated to greece during the 11.to the 14.. centuries AD and all other people that subsequently settled in that region ever since....
istoriify 13 hours ago
@istoriify
The DNA record does not back up your claim troll. You former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians are ANTI-Macedonians. It is a a historical fact Ancient Macedonians loved hellenism. They didn't just substitute word BULGARIAN with Macedonian.
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago
@istoriify
'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.'
(former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth')
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago
@istoriify
"We are not stating by accident that Josip Broz Tito is Jesus Christ for Macedonia, a father and a mother for Macedonia. Because we have, in that time, after NOB, for the first time created a Macedonian alphabet, a Macedonian television, a Macedonian state, a language, a passport, an identity card, a university for the first time, a Macedonian academy for the first time. We, communists, have created the Macedonian Orthodox church." - Slobodan Ugrinovski,
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago
@istoriify
"And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We’re now writing our history. We can’t write that until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians.” - Krste Crvenkovski (President of the Central Committee of the Union of Communists in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) to Todor Zhivkov (First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Bulgaria) – May 19, 1967
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago
@istoriify
"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were from the regions of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia."
- James R. Grossman, University of Chicago
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago
@istoriify
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago
fyromians wake up....
Μακεδονία ἔστι γής ἔλληνικήν
Μακεδονία ἔστι Ελλάς
Μολῶν λαβέ
c0mmando96 15 hours ago
@cunta
Why are you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians oppressing your own heritage and pretending to be macedonians? Are you ashamed of Bulgarian roots?
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
MACEDONIA VS greece 2013
Makedonija389 18 hours ago
@Bulgodonja389
Macedonia is already in Greece. Paeonia (FYROM) is not original Macedonian. You even confuse modern names with ancient places.
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
I AM AN ALBANIAN FROM FYROM,and I am supporting that FYROM is BULGARIA,MAKEDONIA IS GREECE.
gyftosvalkan 20 hours ago
How very sad it is the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslav region of Vardar oppress their own Bulgarian heritage and instead pretend to be Greeks.
GemistusPletho 21 hours ago
I mean you Greeks can even pass as Neanderthals!
How Modern Greek is that?
MacedoniaNEVERGreece 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components—name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association—were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia. - Anthony D. Smith British Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity LSE
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
You modern Bulgarians in FYROM who pretend to be "Macedonians" are very sad. Why do you oppress your Bulgarian heritage? Are you ashamed of your Bulgarian ancestry?
GemistusPletho 21 hours ago
LOL bankrupt loooooosers
wickedvain 22 hours ago
@wickedvain better a bankrupt rich GREEK than a miserable fyromski...
tubeiswhore 19 hours ago 6
@wickedvain
Greece backrupt has more the twice the GDP/capita and less than half the unemployment of Paeonia (aka FYROM). You losers are so pathetic you even parasitically thieve off our identity and pretend to be Macedonians. Go get your own identity Bulgarian-in-denial
GemistusPletho 18 hours ago
@GemistusPletho COME ON WRITE QUICKER I DONT HAVE ALL DAY! LOL
koonta9 18 hours ago
@koonta9
Sure more evasion. What did FYROM's ambassador to US mean by these words a few years ago?
'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.' - Ljubica Acevshka, speech to US representatives, Washington DC, January 22 1999
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@koonta9
"I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of “Paeonia” as the most suitable for Skopje . [...]"Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia and the absence of any local national movement, we can talk of Macedonia only as a geographical entity not as a nation." - Ancient Macedonian historian Nicholas Hammond, “Macedonian Echo” in February, 1999
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@ciuntta9
'We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek - ''Kiro Gligorov first President of FYROM Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@GemistusPlethopoofter, ahhaaahha thats your new nickname
koonta9 17 hours ago
@cunta9
Why are you evading the statements by your own government officials? Are you that ashamed of your Bulgarian heritage that you need to harass Macedonians for their identity?
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness” - Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@cunta9
"As long as the blood runs in my veins, my Bulgarian soul will always be for the freedom of Macedonia and her Bulgarian people. For I hope it will not be held against me that I, as a Macedonian, place the interests of my country before all. I am a Macedonian, I have a Macedonian consciousness and so I have my own view of the past, present and future. " - Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@cunt
We are Bulgarians and we always work and will work for the unification of the Bulgariandom.” -Dame Gruev
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@cunta9
Let us not allow the splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one common disease. If this disease had not been present in our ancestors, from whom we inherited it, they would have never fallen under the sceptre of the Turkish Sultan... " - Gotse Delchev, IMRO leader, Letter to Nikola Malashevski, Jan. 5 1899
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@cunta9
Are you as ashamed of your Bulgarian heritage like Delchev was? You Bulgarian ancestors were be deeply disappointed that you've renounced them and instead pretend to be Greeks.
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@GemistusPletho oh really? we pretended to be Greeks (Macedonians), yeah sure, we've kept our heritage for thousands of years haggismalaka, dont you worry about that
koonta9 17 hours ago
@cunta9
You former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians are such illiterate morons that you don't realize by claiming to be ancient Macedonians... and ancient Macedonians self-identifying as Greeks... you are effectively, unwittingly, claiming to be Greeks.
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@cunta9
Holy shadows of the dead, I'm not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
(Alexander the Great, self-identifying Greek)
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago 5
@GemistusPletho the same language? ancient Greeks spoke koine you douche! we spoke the real ancient Macedonian language
koonta9 16 hours ago
@koonta9
The spoke Koine GREEK. Koine Greek means "common" Greek you illiterate moron. If you knew how to read or speak GREEK you'd recognize the GREEK writing on all the ancient Macedonian artifacts your ANTI-Macedonian government pawns off as its own.
GemistusPletho 16 hours ago
@GemistusPletho the ancient Macedonians had their own language that wasnt Greek you faggot, Macedonia wasnt even a Greek state back then, something that Ive been trying to get into your bloody head of yours!
koonta9 15 hours ago
@Cunta9
What kind of "Macedonian" prefers to speak Bulgarian dialect rather than a Greek dialect? Ancient Macedonians loved Hellenism. You anti-Macedonians hate it and instead substitute with your BULGARIAN culture.
GemistusPletho 16 hours ago
@GemistusPletho by the way you know who invented the koine language? the Macedonians did
koonta9 15 hours ago
@koonta9
are you saying that your ancestors invented the Greek language but they adopted the Bulgarian one later?
it makes perfect sense...
where can I find all these crap you and your braindead compatriots post here?
kosta67reth 12 hours ago 2
@kosta67reth no, in our language today, there are surviviing words in it, but its not 100% ancient Macedonian. The Kalash's langauge is different to ours that we speak of but Im not sure If their language too is ancient Macedonian as well because I think that over the centuries it has changed, I dont know
koonta9 12 hours ago
@kosta67reth it most likely is though, like the Armenian language for example, close to that one
koonta9 12 hours ago
@koonta9
our koine language has also changed but we can still read and comprehend it
on the other hand your Greek language changed to Bulgarian
are you listening to yourself majmun?
ancient Macedonians were Greeks and you Slavs who migrated into the Balkans almost a thousand years after Alexander's death have nothing to do with them.
kosta67reth 12 hours ago
@kosta67reth I dont know what the ancient Macedonian language changed to, all I know is that todays Macedonian langauge has nothing to do with the ancient one and its not Greek of course, with some surviving words in them, thats a fact and truth to it
koonta9 11 hours ago
@koonta9
go get an education u clown
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss
ela re mino! ti nea?
to exoun xasei entlos oi Boulgaroi, se ligo tha mperdeftoun toso me tis paparies pou tous gemizoun to myalo pou tha mas lene pos aftoi einai oi gnisioi Ellines kia oxi emeis
kosta67reth 11 hours ago
@kosta67reth
ola kala!
oso gia tous fyromianous
ti eixes gianni ti eixa panta:)
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@kosta67reth
pws ta pate me touws seismous?
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss
mas kounaei ligo alla den exoume zimies
prosopika exo empeiria me tous seismous kai de masao
ston seismo tis Thessalonikis imoun stin Pella (eixame kai ti diki mas pigi seismon ekei konta sto Paiko pou mas kounage kala) kai ston seismo tis Kalamatas ypiretousa stin Tripoli.
kosta67reth 11 hours ago
@kosta67reth
re edw se mas de lei na xionisei
ti kako einai afto fetos
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss I know that you like your language so much Turko, LOL,
koonta9 11 hours ago
@minottauruss
tha xionisei tis epomenes meres opos lene
ta vouna tis Kritis exoun poly xioni pantos
stis 5 paizoun ta koritsia mas tou polo ston teliko tou evropaikou protathklimatos, einai foveres, tis exeis dei?
kosta67reth 11 hours ago
@kosta67reth
a nai re
kala pou mou to thimises
eida t a dyo proigoumena mats
foveres,hey sto katw katw einai oi pagosmies prwtathlitries!!!!!!!!!!!!!
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss you dont make sense, stop calling us Bulgarian or youll be stupid for life!
koonta9 11 hours ago
@cunta9
It is you who is making yourself stupid for life by pathetically oppressing your own Bulgarian heritage.
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago
@GemistusPletho canadian get a life
BorisNailedHisNANNY 2 hours ago
@BorisNailedHisNANNY
I would recommend you "get a life" and stop ethnically harassing Greeks.
GemistusPletho 1 hour ago
@GemistusPletho asshole where i post something against greeks ? your the racist here which is talking about stuff who had a shit to do with
BorisNailedHisNANNY 1 hour ago
@cunta9
Do you delusionally pretend you can't understand Bulgarian when you visit Bulgaria?
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago
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@GemistusPletho Do you delusionally pretend you can't understand Bulgarian when you visit Bulgaria?
what the fuck are you talking about you shithead? explain in English you prick not hellenic
koonta9 9 hours ago
@minottauruss
είναι θεές
αρχίζει, τα λέμε
kosta67reth 11 hours ago
@kosta67reth
τα λέμε φίλε
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss you there still, or your going to keep speaking in the koine langauge to your fake account all day long? LOL
koonta9 11 hours ago
@Cunta8
Koine is a Greek dialect you evasive fucking moron. You must be a moron because only morons believe ancient Macedonians were slavic.
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Koine_Greek
GemistusPletho 10 hours ago 2
@minottauruss you go and get an education for fuckstick!
koonta9 11 hours ago
@koonta9
i have an education thats why i find it useless to argue with u illiterate clown
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss really? why the slav/Bulgarian name calling then?
koonta9 11 hours ago
@koonta9
thats what u are !
i can call call u german if u like
lol
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss you think Im German?
koonta9 11 hours ago
@koonta9
no i KNOW that you slav / bulgarian but u dont like your roots as it seems
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss I can tell you now that Im not that and I can say the same for you, that you have Turkish/Ethiopian roots
koonta9 11 hours ago
@minottauruss because thats what you Greeks are, gypsies!
koonta9 11 hours ago
@koonta9
Britannica encyclopedia :Macedonia (FYROM)
Macedonia has inherited a complex ethnic structure. The largest group, calling themselves Macedonians , are descendants of Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th centuries ad.Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is written in the Cyrillic script.In language, religion, and history, a case could be made for identifying Macedonian Slavs with Bulgarians and to a lesser extent with Serbs.
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@minottauruss at least I know where I stand, unlike you, you dickhead
koonta9 11 hours ago
@koonta9
well... then maybe you should ask yourself why don't you use the language YOU INVENTED (your words) yourselves? just an idea...
YOU ARE NOT AND NEVER GOING TO BECOME MACEDONIANS
live with that
kosta67reth 11 hours ago
@kosta67reth
u cant teach an idiot especially a fyromian idiot
minottauruss 11 hours ago
@cunta9
You are a nation of frauds that oppress your own BULGARIAN heritage.
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
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@cunta9
David H Levinson, 'The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures']
"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the
Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe
and today's so-called 'macedonians' of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' or FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS."
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@Cunta9
'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.' - Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth' (one of few men in FYROM who isn't a coward)
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
FYROM's dirty little secret....
"Prior to the creation of a Macedonian republic in 1944,most Macedonian immigrants viewed themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and often referred to themselves as Macedonian-Bulgarians or simply Bulgarians.While immigration records failed to list Macedonians as separate category,approximately three-quarters of those listed as Bulgarians were from the regions of Kostur and Bitola in Macedonia." - James R. Grossman, University of Chicago
GemistusPletho 23 hours ago
@GemistusPletho <----- Poor Turkoglou
So confused with his Modern Greek identity created in the late 18th Century that he has to make video's and try and convince outsiders that they are the real Macedonians. Its to steer people from knowing their real Turkoglou identities...
If it quacks like an 'oglou' , walks sideways like a 'oglou' then it must be a Turkoglou ;-)
MacedoniaNEVERGreece 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNVERGreece
You like giving lectures about history but don't even know about your BULGARIAN past?
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World"
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
What did your "macedonian" national hero Krste Misikov mean by these words champ?
"We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
Does big fat liar Risto Stefov tell you about his BULGARIAN heritage? Or does he hide it and feed you a steady stream of lies?
'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians? - Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@ Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece “Some will ask why I speak of breaking away from the Bulgarians when in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians ” - Krste Misirkov
" The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian"- Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece < --- poor Bulgarian pretending to be Greek.
Go get your own identity you anti-Macedonian fascists asshole.
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
"As long as the blood runs in my veins, my Bulgarian soul will always be for the freedom of Macedonia and her Bulgarian people. For I hope it will not be held against me that I, as a Macedonian, place the interests of my country before all. I am a Macedonian, I have a Macedonian consciousness and so I have my own view of the past, present and future. " - Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness” - Krste Misirkov
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
FYROM ultra nationalist logic.
You look like Bulgarians.
You sounds like Bulgarians.
You ancestors were Bulgarians.
Your blood is Bulgarian.
Your customs are Bulgarians.
Ergo... you are "Macedonians".
A nation of idiots ashamed of their own Bulgarian heritage.
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@GemistusPletho
LOL.... Well Slavs generally all look similar just like the Greeks look like Turks, Lebs, Egyptians etc. Now tell me Lebo, How can Alexander be a Leb looking Greek?
Nope... he was Macedonian, just like me.!!
Greece, a nation of Malaka's BEGGING for a Euro because they cannot self suffice
MacedoniaNEVERGreece 22 hours ago
@@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
Nice evasion. You former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians were part of the Ottoman empire even longer than Greeks. If we are "turkish" for being part of the Ottoman empire... you are even more so.
Alexander and ancient Macedonians were SELF-IDENTIFYING Greeks. No amount of "recognition" will every change the Greek writing on ancient Macedonian artifacts into the Bulgarian dialect the communists renamed Macedonian.
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@Bulgo-TurkoNEVERGreece
You will go to your grave tortured by your fake identity. You are a coward that is ashamed of your Bulgarian heritage rather than be proud of it.
GemistusPletho 22 hours ago
@MacedoniaNEVERGreece
bulgarkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
minottauruss 21 hours ago
@MacedoniaALWAYSGreece <<<--------BOULGAROVA
gyftosvalkan 20 hours ago
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
GemistusPletho 23 hours ago
It was also being reported last night that the German government wants Greece to hand over control of tax and spending decisions to a 'budget commissioner' appointed by the rest of the eurozone, before the country gets its second bail-out.
The Telegraph
YOU are NOT in control.
YOU have NO nation anymore
Leave Macedonia to the Macedonians and go home to Turkey. Your Turkish Yaya misses you.
VonLincoln1 1 day ago
@VonLincoln1
My dear Turko_Bulgarian friend... the very fact you hypocrtically attempt to deny our identity as Greeks only proves what manipulative racist POS you are. Even you assholes know deep down ancient macedonians were self-identifying Greeks. Go get your own identity troll.
GemistusPletho 23 hours ago
@VonLincoln1
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992
GemistusPletho 23 hours ago
@VonLincoln1
Macedonia is already in Greece troll. Ancient Paeonai (where FYROM is situated) is not part of the original Macedonia. (and you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians have nothing to do with ancient Macedonians who self-identified as GREEKS)
GemistusPletho 23 hours ago
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@VonLincoln1
"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument” - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS, 31 March 2008
GemistusPletho 23 hours ago
@VonLincoln1
Hey, slumdog
tubeiswhore 18 hours ago
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@istoriify
Hristo Tatarchev – founding member BMARC/IMRO
“We talked a long time about the goal of this organization and at last we fixed it on autonomy of Macedonia with the priority of the Bulgarian element. We couldn’t accept the position for “direct joining to Bulgaria” because we saw that it would meet big difficulties by reason of confrontation of the Great powers ..... It passed through our thoughts that one autonomous Macedonia could easier unite with Bulgaria”
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artemis20001000 1 day ago
Ο απώτερος σκοπός τους ήταν, φυσικά, η τελική διεκδίκιση των εδαφών αυτών από την Οθωμανική Αυτοκρατορία και την Ελλάδα και η παραχώρησή τους σ' αυτήν από τις Μεγάλες Δυνάμεις, παρουσιάζοντας στην Μακεδονία έναν "αμιγή" δήθεν Βουλγαρικό πληθυσμό!
lekos28 1 day ago
Οι βουλγαρικές αυτές συμμορίες λήστευαν, έκλεβαν και βίαζαν τον πληθυσμό, ενώ ταυτόχρονα εξόντωναν τους πιστούς στο Οικουμενικό Πατριαρχείο ή όσους θεωρούσαν ότι αποτελούσαν "δεσμό" μεταξύ της Μακεδονίας και της υπόλοιπης Ελλάδας (Αρχιερείς, Ιερείς, προεστούς, δασκάλους, εξέχοντες πολίτες, κλπ).
lekos28 1 day ago
Οι Βούλγαροι άρχισαν να εγείρουν διεκδικήσεις επί της Μακεδονικής γης από το 1870, αλλά από το 1895 και μετά, ένοπλες βουλγαρικές συμμορίες που ονομάστηκαν "κομιτατζήδες", εκμεταλλευόμενοι την πλήρη αδιαφορία (αλλά και την ανικανότητα) της Οθωμανικής Αυτοκρατορίας και των τοπικών τουρκικών αρχών,
lekos28 1 day ago
...>υπέβαλλαν σε απερίγραπτα βασανιστήρια τον ελληνικό πληθυσμό της Μακεδονίας ώστε να απαρνηθή την εθνικότητά του και να αποδεχθεί την Βουλγαρική Εξαρχεία σαν θρησκευτική του αρχή αντί του Οικουμενικού Πατριαρχείου Κωνσταντινοπούλεως και να υποκείψει στις Βουλγαρικές αξιώσεις.
lekos28 1 day ago
Ο Μακεδονικός Αγώνας προκλήθηκε από την "αρπακτικότητα" και την επεκτατική διάθεση των Βουλγάρων, οι οποίοι από την εποχή που ίδρυσαν το νεώτερο κράτος τους, επεδίωξαν να επεκτείνουν και τα γεωγραφικά όρια του κράτους τους ώστε να συμπεριλάβει και την Μακεδονία και να επιτύχουν έτσι διέξοδο στο Αγαίο Πέλαγος και την Μεσόγειο θάλασσα!
lekos28 1 day ago
Γκότσε Ντέλτσεφ προς τον Νίκολα Mαλέσεφσκι: "Διαχωρισμοί και διασπάσεις δεν πρέπει καθόλου να μας τρομάζουν. Πράγματι είναι λυπηρό, αλλά τι μπορούμε να κάνουμε αφού είμαστε Βούλγαροι και όλοι υποφέρουμε απο την ίδια ασθένεια! Αν αυτή η ασθένεια δεν υπήρχε στους προγόνους μας και μας την κληρονόμησαν δεν θα πέφταμε κάτω απο το άσχημο σκήπτρο των Τούρκων σουλτάνων ... "
lekos28 1 day ago
Η ψυχή για τίποτα δεν προδίδεται
το αίμα με νερό δεν αλλάζει
Ο Θεός μας δώρισε μακρυές ρίζες
αναγνωρίστε πια, δεν είμαστε Έλληνες
αναγνωρίστε πια, είμαστε Μακεδόνες
istoriify 1 day ago
Όποιον άκουγαν οι αρχές να μιλάει μακεδόνικα, τον «πότιζαν» , μεταξύ των άλλων, με ρετσινόλαδο και για μια-δυο βδομάδες δεν μπορούσε να συνέλθει από διάρροια και εμετούς. Τα χρόνια περνούσαν και οι συμφορές για τους Μακεδόνες δεν είχαν τελειωμό. Εγώ πιστεύω ότι θα βρεθούν άνθρωποι που θα ξεπεράσουν την τρομοκρατία και το φόβο τους και θα περιγράψουν καλύτερα από μένα το γολγοθά αυτόν.
istoriify 1 day ago
1913 ήρθε η «απελευθέρωση» από την Ελλάδα και οι πιο δημοκρατικοί, ανθρώπινοι και δίκαιοι Έλληνες, έκαψαν και γκρέμισαν με την σειρά τους αυτά που δεν έκαψαν οι Τούρκοι. Και σχολεία και εκκλησίες. Με νόμο απαγόρεψαν τη μακεδόνικη γλώσσα. Ποιός δεν έχει ακούσει για το ρετσινόλαδο!
istoriify 1 day ago
According to the last census, 1,344,815 Majmundonian citizens declared that speak bulgarian, 507,989 citizens spoke Albanian, 71,757 citizens spoke Turkish, 38,528 citizens spoke Roma, 6,884 citizens spoke Aromanian, 24,773 citizens spoke Serbian, 8.560 citizens spoke Bosnian and 19,241 citizens spoke on other languages.[112]
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=47% minorities in the joke land!!!
drmack70 1 day ago
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(something like)bulgarians/other nations in vardarska-
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13,4/6,7 ratio
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..good enough ...
drmack70 1 day ago
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istoriify 1 day ago
MAcEDONIA _ SLOVENIA 26-24 VAMOS MACEDONIA
!!!!!
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify
(MACEDONIA)GREECE defeat FYROM(WESTBULGARIA) 10 - 6, water Polo
watch?v=v0fO-69g0vI&feature=channel_video_title
lekos28 1 day ago
@istoriify we in fyrom are proud of the fact the the EU labels us as "The world's dumbest f@cks "
FYROBABOONSKA1 1 day ago
@istoriify yes, you are tatarce
FYROMalwaysBULGARIA 1 day ago
Nazi kai Skopiani kanoun DNA mazi! vromofares kai oi duo! fasistomutra!
lekos28 1 day ago
Nazi kai Skopiani kanoun DNA mazi! vromofares kai oi duo!
lekos28 1 day ago
Στην Ελλάδα δεν υπάρχουν Ελληνες!!!
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify
Ellines yparhouns stin Makedonia kai onomazodai MAKEDONES!
lekos28 1 day ago
@istoriify
ΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑ
μια ζωή τις ίδιες μαλακίες ποστάρεις ρε μαλάκα Βούλγαρε
αν δεν υπάρχουν Έλληνες ποιοί σας γάμαγαν κάθε φορά που σηκώνατε το βουλγαρικό σας κεφάλι?
kosta67reth 1 day ago
@kosta67reth . yπάρχει ένα κράμα δεκάδων φυλών, ένα μωσαϊκό εθνοτήτων ένα τσίρκο ανάμικτων λαών!!!!........Όσοι αυτόχθονες κάτοικοι τής Επικρατείας τής Ελλάδος πιστεύουσιν εις Χριστόν, εισίν Έλληνες”.άτους -- χάχάχαχάχάχααααααααα
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify
όσοι κάτοικοι της Ελλάδος πιστεύουσιν εις Βουλγαρίαν είναι οι γνήσιοι Μακεδόνες κι ας μιλούν Βουλάρικα κι ας ονομάζονται Ζοραν, Μπράνκο και Μπλαγκόγιε
Μ Α Λ Α Κ Α
kosta67reth 1 day ago
@istoriify
Osoi oi SlavoSkopianoi pistevoun se istoselides twn NAZI, ginodai mages! ti le reee!!
lekos28 1 day ago
@istoriify
Pigainaine na kaneis kaneis kamia exetasi DNA, oi NAZI kai oi Areioi, oi katharoi sto aima to kanoun ayto!
lekos28 1 day ago
Ολόκληρη η Ελλάδα είναι ένα απέραντο φρενοκομείο!!
istoriify 1 day ago
2013 A.D The end of greece.
istoriify 1 day ago
@istorylie
dream on Bulgarovski
will you ever try something during the current year?
every January the same nonsense for the year to come... aren't you tired of your idiocy yet?
kosta67reth 1 day ago
Many of the Greeks living in Greek Macedonia are actually refugees that came to Macedonia during the First World War and especially during the 1920's and 1930' from Turkey, the Middle East, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine and Bulgaria.
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify
Correction. They came BACK to their homeland (like the Jews and Israel). This is unlike the Bulgarian Slavs who moved to Paeonia (FYROM) nearly a thousand years after Alexander.
GemistusPletho 1 day ago
@GemistusPletho you and your exaggerations!
koonta9 1 day ago
@koonta9
Where did I exaggerate? Are not the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslav republic trying to steal the identity of Greeks? Since when is identity theft a "human right"?
GemistusPletho 23 hours ago
@GemistusPletho go take some viagra pills, youll feel alot better once you do that you boofhead!
koonta9 19 hours ago
@koonta9
Nice comeback bigot.
Why don't you remind everyone what your former First president meant by these words?
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992
GemistusPletho 18 hours ago
@GemistusPletho whatever, you really do believe in that crap so much! and you are just a gay Turk/Ethiopian shit that you are
koonta9 18 hours ago
@koonta9
Nice comeback ethnic denier. Go fuck yourself you fascist asshole
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@koonta9
/watch?v=dlDLmufGHqQ&feature=related
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
@cuntta9
"Ever since 1878 there had been a sizeable Macedonian presence in Bulgaria…Most if not all Macedonians in Bulgaria at this period regarded themselves as ethnically Bulgarian and the refugees were a potential political lobby of considerable size." - "Ideologies and national identities: the case of twentieth-century" by John R. Lampe, Mark Mazower 2004 page 125
GemistusPletho 17 hours ago
SMRT ZA BLGARSKITE CIGANI !
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify са цигански
FYROMalwaysBULGARIA 1 day ago
@FYROMalwaysBULGARIA
Funny that this Grik Cigan with the numerous accounts has a Turkish family name and has the hide to come on Macedonian channels harassing us Macedonians.
What a Turkoglou!
MacedoniaNEVERGreece 1 day ago
@MacedoniaforEVERGreece I don't harass Macedonians, only Bulgarians like you.
What a Bulgarova
FYROMalwaysBULGARIA 1 day ago
mamkata vasa tatarska .............!
istoriify 1 day ago
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@istoriify
Hristo Tatarchev – founding member BMARC/IMRO
“We talked a long time about the goal of this organization and at last we fixed it on autonomy of Macedonia with the priority of the Bulgarian element. We couldn’t accept the position for “direct joining to Bulgaria” because we saw that it would meet big difficulties by reason of confrontation of the Great powers ..... It passed through our thoughts that one autonomous Macedonia could easier unite with Bulgaria…”
lekos28 1 day ago
@istoriify Γειά σου ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΕ ,ΚΟΜΙΤΑΤΖΗ ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΕ , το Ουράνιο τόξο αργοπεθαίνει και θα σβήσει πολύ σύντομα κι εσύ είχες,έχεις και θα συνεχίσεις να έχεις τα παπάρια μας,ΠΑΠΑΡΟΦΑΙ εσείς οι ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ είστε τα μιάσματα της ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗΣ ΓΗΣ ΜΑΣ ,κι όλοι σας θα ξεκουμπιστήτε στα ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑ σας.
gampcptn 1 day ago
@gampcptn Οι παππούδες σας ήταν πρόσφυγες
οι γονείς σας μετανάστες
κι εσείς ρατσιστές
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify
karagiozo
minottauruss 1 day ago
@istoriify
o pappous sou itan Voulgaros kai esy eisai Malakas!
lekos28 1 day ago
@istoriify Αναγνωρίζουμε ότι ζούν στη ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΜΑΣ περίπου 4500 Γυφτοσκοπιανοί κομιτατζήδες Βούλγαροι απόγονοι δολοφόνων Ελλήνων,ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΠΟΣΟΣΤΟ ΠΗΡΕ ΤΟ ΟΥΡΑΝΙΟ ΤΟΞΟ ΣΤΙΣ ΤΕΛΕΥΤΑΙΕΣ ΕΚΛΟΓΕΣ. Πουστροσκοπιανέ μιλάς με έναν ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑ ΝΤΟΠΙΟ ΚΑΙ ΓΝΗΣΙΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΑ ΑΠΟ ΠΑΠΠΟΥ ΠΡΟΣ ΠΑΠΠΟΥ ΜΕ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΟ ΔΕΝΔΡΟ ,που την κωλόγλωσσά σου την έχει ακούσει μόνο εδώ μέσα από το Youtube.Γαμώ την προπαγάνδα σου,χώστην στον τρύπιο τον κώλο σου και ξεκουμπίσου στα Γυφτοσκόπια σου.
gampcptn 1 day ago
@gampcptn . Πώς είναι δυνατόν, αυτοί που εκδιώχθηκαν να μην είναι ’ Έλληνες το γένος’ και οι συγγενείς τους, που παρέμειναν στην Ελλάδα να είναι Έλληνες και μάλιστα οι ελληνικές αρχές να κάνουν το παν για να τους πείσουν; Πώς γίνεται ο ένας αδερφός να χάνει την υπηκοότητά του και να μην του επιτρέπεται να επιστρέψει στη Ελλάδα διότι δεν είναι Έλληνας και ο άλλος αδερφός να πείθεται από το κράτος ότι είναι ‘γνήσιος’ Έλλην, απόγονος του Σωκράτη και του Περικλή; Πώς είναι δυνατόν άραγε;
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify - απόγονε του Ντέλτσεβ και του Σωκράτη...!!!
Να τι εστί Βούλγαροι
Μεταχειρίστηκαν την ψυχολογική βία, το φόνο, τη δολοφονία, ακόμα και την απάτη. Για να παραπλανήσουν τους Έλληνες της Μακεδονίας, τα λεγόμενα Βουλγάρικα κομιτάτα, έριξαν το σύνθημα: " Η Μακεδονία για τους Μακεδόνες " και ζήτησαν τη συνδρομή τους, στον κοινό δήθεν αγώνα, κατά των Τούρκων.
lekos28 1 day ago
@istoriify Να παίρνεις το σωστό νούμερο βαφής και να προσέχεις μην βρέξει και ξεβάψεις.
gampcptn 1 day ago
@gampcptn Η ΚΑΠΟΙΟΙ ΕΓΙΝΑΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΕΝ ΞΕΡΟΥΝ ΤΙ ΗΤΑΝ ΠΡΙΝ;
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify
Μια και γραφεις μαλακιες BULGAR-MAC, πες τι σημαίνει bulgar και τι Mac ?
μήπως σημαίνει Βουλγαρικη Μακεδονία? Εισαι Βουλγαρος και κανεις οτι δεν ηξερες τι ησουν πριν απο αυτο?
lekos28 1 day ago
@istoriify <<<<<------- 'Ενας από τις 4500 Γυφτοσκοπιανούς εν Ελλάδι.
Ρε δεν πα ξεφουρνίζει ο τρύπιος ο κώλος θεωρίες και να κάνεις copy paste από τα κωλοαρχεία σου,παρμένεις Βούλγαρος και ξέρεις πολύ καλά ότι το όνομά σας εδώ στη Μακεδονία είναι ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ.Μαλάκα η παγκόσμια ιστορία έχει γραφθεί ήδη,ΕΣΕΙΣ ΟΙ ΓΥΦΤΟΙ ΔΕΝ ΜΠΟΡΕΙΤΕ ΝΑ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΑΝΕΓΓΡΑΨΕΤΕ,με τίποτα.ΟΛΟΣ Ο ΚΟΣΜΟΣ ΞΕΡΕΙ,ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ=ΕΛΛΑΔΑ.
mkdonas 1 day ago
@gampcptn Το 1982, ψηφίστηκε στο ελληνικό κοινοβούλιο νόμος (αρ. πρωτ. 106841/29.12.82 ,Γεννηματά-Σκουλαρίκη), ο οποίος επέτρεπε την επιστροφή όλων των πολιτικών προσφύγων, οι οποίοι ήταν «Έλληνες το γένος». Αποκλείονταν δηλαδή όλοι οι Μακεδόνες από Костур-Καστοριά, Лерин-Φλώρινα, Воден-Έδεσσα, Кукуш-Κιλκίς, Негуш-Νάουσα, Солун-Θεσσαλονίκη, Сер-Σέρρες, Драм-Δράμα. Δηλαδή τα αδέρφια μας, οι γονείς μας, οι παπούδες μας, οι γείτονές μας, οι συγχωριανοί μας.
istoriify 1 day ago
@istoriify
Βέλες (πόλη) - πρώιν Κοπρολού
Από το 1877 έως 1912 το Σαντζάκ ήταν μέρος του Κοσσυφοπεδίου βιλαέτι. Πήρε το όνομά του Köprülü από τον ιδρυτή του Μεχμέτ Κοπρολου, ένα Μεγάλο Βεζύρη της Οθωμανικής Αυτοκρατορίας. Η πόλη μετονομάστηκε απο τους Σέρβους με τη σλαβική λέξη Βέλες.
lekos28 1 day ago
@istoriify
Βέλες (πόλη) - πρώιν Κοπρολού
Μετά το Β 'Παγκόσμιο Πόλεμο, η πόλη ήταν γνωστή ως Titov Veles από τον πρόεδρο της Γιουγοσλαβίας Γιόσιπ Μπροζ Τίτο, αλλά η «Titov» αφαιρέθηκε το 1996.
lekos28 1 day ago