To Say that this is six 24hour day will make us ignorant of the facts that happened. - Soriano
What a flip flop from Brother Soriano Himself. Brother Soriano naman, mag research kanaman, wag mong pa iralin ang pride mo.
Please we need to pray for Brother Soriano to give up his pride and open up his mind. He is in prison of an evolutionary mind box. Can't see anything outside of the box.
Bro Eli Soriano, we know you just want to serve God, but don't "Shout" something you did not research enough. You just look so stupid in you arguments.
Please RESEARCH Brother Soriano, don't just limit your mind to evolutionist scientist which are funded by the ROTHSCHILDS ever since the darwin. Please research Brother Soriano. The PRIDE OF SORIANO! Wag mag pa bobo brother soriano, You are being lied by satan and your pride is keeping you to stick to the lies.
Luke 11:33-34 NKJV “No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light.The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness.
@Caicen haven'tt he video shown how Bro Eli exposed this two with God's help and that's a win! Mr Howard narrated his genealogy notion out of misreading the context of a verse. Dr Grady's formed argument out of from misreads to Bro Eli's blog prior to this debate. These two preachers leavened their own bread.
1 Cor 5:8 NKJV
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Mr Howard, your STUPID opinion is not necessary when we talk about the TRUTH!!! Every word that coming out from bro Eli's mouth is merely based from the Scriptures!!! Don't show your IGNORANCE on your very BIAS T.V. show...IDIOT!!!!
Mr Howard was confused, and so is Dr Grady. Even Mr Howard rudely interrupts Bro Eli, every now and then, tending to side with Mr Grady's belief. But despite of the limited time and Dr Grady's allegations, Bro. Eli shown the truth about the time of creation of earth, humanity, death, and change of diet of some animals from the start of creation consistent with the prophecy in Isaiah 11:6 and the verses they used including Gen 9:3
Revelation TV has rejected and distanced themselves from godly council and chosen to show heretical money preacher’s for the purposes of financial gain and popularity. As a consequence they have disassociated themselves from sound bible teachers that have spoken up (Jacob Prasch, Bob Mitchell, Brian Gemmell, and Alan Franklin) and embraced teachers that advocate doctrines of demons.( Jesse Duplantis, Kenneth Copeland) Howard Condor needs to be confronted and give an account for his actions.
SOME SCIENTISTS WILL GIVE YOU THEIR REASONS FOR EVERYTHING. BUT ONE THING THEY CANNOT EXPLAIN IS THE ORIGIN OF HUMAN VALUES, INTELLECT PITY, COMPLEX THINKING, LOVE, UNDERSTANDING, MERCY. THESE SETS US APART FROM ANIMALS.
Mr Howard was confused, and so is Dr Grady. Even Mr Howard rudely interrupts Bro Eli, every now and then, tending to side with Mr Grady's belief. But despite of the limited time and Dr Grady's allegations, Bro. Eli shown the truth about the time of creation of earth, humanity, death, and change of diet of some animals from the start of creation consistent with the prophecy in Isaiah 11:6 and the verses they used including Gen 9:3
Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “ That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.”
Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “ That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.”
There is no clash between Science and Religion at all. All of them are past of Natural Processes that are taking place on this planet let alone the entire universe. Nature is what we know exists in our planet. But we dont know what kind of Natures or laws out there in another dimensions. A true scientist would not discredit, the concept of Supernatural, if he is a true Naturalist. There are numerous things that we do not know out there....
Adam and Eve story is not even a prehistory, it is called myth, or legend...may be true or real names, taken out of their culture's oral tradition. Compared to how Rome was built, from its founder, Romulos, or Troy, or Atlantis..The Jews thought of creation as to how they themselves originated from God, like the Egyptians as well, and other Mesopotamian nations which believed they came from gods...mother gods.and father gods.
The Jewish explanation of guilt, sin, nakedness, parental give away in marriage, the reason for agriculture, and labour, and childbirth, pains and sufferings for them is based on the entrance of sin, and sin came from temptation's yielding of the first parents. This is very practical explanation in the Middle East why they did and do these things in their culture, such as coverings of the body, not exposing it, arrange marriages, keeping of sabbath...Which belongs to bronze age period of man.
True scientists would not discount the story of Genesis, Gilgamesh, Enuma Elish, and other source for ancient Theodicy, even Plato and Aristotle..
The explanation for the origin of the Earth by the Jews is based on their religious observance of a weekly Sabbath. 7 days creation is Babylonian week, and the Jews gave reason as to why they observed the Seventh Day..Creation Story was born and crafted by the Editors of Genesis.
You need to categorize the use of Evidence for scientific and even philosophical explanation of the Origins of the Universe. Likewise, Bible cannot be used as textbooks for science per se, you can use it as background for sociology and anthropology how ancients did their science. It is not fair to compare the prophets with modern scientists.
Even the most Ancient records of how the earth began, would have been by the thousands of years compared to geological dating of millions of years. Hence, Epics, and Genesis creation is prescientific accounts.
Dating the earth has nothing to do with Biblical dates...because Biblical dates is subject to Jewish idea of their origins, which is the basis of their Scriptures. The Scriptures are not historical records, they are spiritual writings to explain how Jewish nation, which includes Arabs as well came to existence.
These preachers are all the same, using science to justify their gods or religion. Why dont we just cut to the chase and talk about the magic, superhumans, and mythical creatures in the bible where's science in that.
@zetetikos123 I believe you have no clue on what you are spewing. And I found your comment ignorant to begin with. Can you be more articulate on that comment of yours.
Maybe the New Testament was a conspiracy against the Hebrews, and that Malachi is the last of the Prophets. Plus, even IN the New Testament Christ says that he had NOT come to destroy the law, but to fulfil, and until heaven and Earth pass away the law still stands. Is heaven and Earth still here ?
@elmansays Yeah whatever troll, go ahead eat his bread. I am not trying convince you because it is a bit obvious that you are not here to reason but to troll. But I'm only replying to you mainly to expose you(troll) and Soriano about how he made a fool of himself in this debate. One thing is sure, whether you like it or not the ARGUMENTS he made in these videos shows how much he is ignorant about his position.
@Caicen Bro Eli exposed Mr Howard's own idea of genealogy that stems as a child misreading the context of a verse; even Dr Grady's rebuttal created from his misreading of Bro Eli's blog prior this debate. With God's help, Bro Eli exposed how these two preachers leavened their own bread.
1 Corinthians 5:8 NKJV
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
@Caicen Bro Eli exposed Mr Howard's own idea of genealogy that stems as a child misreading the context of a verse; even Dr Grady's rebuttal created from his misreading of Bro Eli's blog prior this debate. That's a win! With God's help, Bro Eli exposed how these two preachers leavened their own bread.
1 Corinthians 5:8 NKJV
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
This is the 2nd video with 6 parts. As you watch, you'll see how Bro Eli tackles that the earth is ancient and humanity is recent. I would rather watch the whole 12 part videos than read the misreads of @Caicen written all over. If I have questions, I can tweet them to BroEliSoriano. I believe in my preacher's biblical answers because it is God-given.
He who begets a scoffer does so to his sorrow, And the father of a fool has no joy. Proverbs 17:21 NKJV
@elmansays Wow how many that i would repeat that I watched the whole part videos. It is you who has a problem of comprehending the videos, it's because you are deluded to believe that Eli won the debate. Yes humanity is recent, but Eli gave a human fossil that is 100,000 years old, it only implies that Adam and Eve live much older than that date, because why would he gave that example. But no archaeological evidence that biblical events took place in 6,000+ years.
@elmansays Cont. "READ THE MISREADS" How comfrtable for you to say that without giving proof where I did that. See I know you can't give proofs where I misread, beacause you know to well that i have arguments that is hard to bend. So have fun lying "elamansays" you're good at that. And I have a proof that you are fabricating lies here in youtube. And I dare you to prove me otherwise. Remember I have evidence of your LIES!
@Caicen one of the 12-part-video, the above tackles about genealogy as a basis for the creationist computations of humanity's age, but Bro Eli proved that they are wrong to use it. If you think otherwise, tell me your preacher's twitter or wordpress like BroEliSoriano or esoriano wordpress. Unless your preacher failed to stand up for your religious belief in this kind of Q&A.
“ He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself, And he who rebukes a wicked man only harms himself. Pro 9:7 NKJV
@elmansays Why would you always resort to logical fallacies, I can defend my faith by myself. And how did Eli prove biblicaly that the geneaology of Luke was incomplete(according to him)? Can you give me biblical events that is more than 5000 years ago, historically and archaeologically speaking? Is there evidence that the bible events took place more than 6000 years ago? Eli cited modern human fossils existed at 100,000 yrs ago, are you implying Adam and Eve 100,000+ ago? I can refute that.
@elmansays Cont The only one who has failed so far is you troll, you haven't even touch my arguments, instead you hide in irrelevant issues. My arguments stand as of today, and i feel it's not going to be answered anytime soon, you are too afraid to face my arguments, you just dont have the intellectual capability to do so.
@Caicen just try to back track your idle talks and read how you misunderstood Bro Eli's biblical answer from the video above. Bro Eli gave sufficient biblical answers to these idle talkers who based their assumptions on genealogy of Jesus Christ for humanity's age and that of earth. Give me your preacher's name and I will ask him what he taught you.
“ He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself, And he who rebukes a wicked man only harms himself. Proverbs 9:7 NKJV
1. First he uses biblical passage for atheist, directed to me. Failed!
2. He then want to know my religion, which is irrelevant. Failed!
3. He then accuses me of scoffing and twisting Eli's word's, but did not gave proof. Failed!
4. He accuses me that i'm hiding my religious belief for 6 months, and then i showed him my beliefs regarding flood was posted since the day i came here, then he goes silent. Failed.
guys remember mat.10:22? And you will be hated of all men for my names sake:yet he who will endure till the end will be saved. This verse in the bible denotes,that salvation is free,a gift from God yet,we all need to do our part to deal everything that will drag us out of the track,hold firmly to what the teachings of our lord Jesus Christ till the end,so that we will be saved.Pretty tough i guess.
@Caicen Bro Eli faithfully gave his biblical answers, the problem is your comprehension which is also Mr Grady's problem. Instead of biblical answers, he chose to accuse Bro Eli of what he never said. You could have asked him in his twitter account twitter.com/ BroEliSoriano to further elaborate his biblical answers, but you opted to take his place by giving your own twisted opinion.
A scoffer seeks wisdom and does not find it,But knowledge is easy to him who understands. Proverbs 14:6
@elmansays LIAR! Show me where I am wrong at my comprehension? If you cannot show to me specifically then you are spreading lies and misleading people here, your just accusing me of your nonsense allegations that are not in the slightest to be true. You are a dishonest man "elmansays", I don't know if you willfully do it or you are just plain ignorant of your fallacious arguments.
@Caicen ...So what is the big question here ? I listened to one of these videos, where this "Eli soriano",(I have never heard of him before) answered that Noahs flood was a local flood. Well obviously that's very ignorant, as the Bible makes it clear that it was world wide, moreover, Noah's Ark has been found on one of the several mountains of ARARAT, in eastern Turkey, In fact the Tzar of Russia, was killed in 1917, by the "bolshevik Jews" on orders of Rothschild, after the the Tzar in that...
...same year in the early summer had undertaken an expedition to those mountains, and actually found the Ark, and was going to publish these facts. But the "powers that be" who financed Darwin' evolutionary theories, as well as Karl Marx, (aka Moses Levi Mordechai) for producing Clinton Roosevelt"s "Manifesto" word for word, (first written in 1841,only canging the title to "the Comunist manifesto") could not let this happen, as the "proof of Noahs Ark" would be a "monkey wrench" in the works..
...of the Satanic "evolutionary indoctrination", by which man gets to live by his/her "animal passions", without any conscience of a righteous God, and everlasting punishment. But on the question of the age of the earth, it is clear from many passages of scripture, that there was a "social structure" before Adam and Eve. And that Lucifer, had domain over this social system before he sinned, and was thrown out of Heaven. The Idea that the earth is only 6,000 years or so, is not correct !!!
@sorens70601 Even early christianity, believe it was a global one. But you can see the dishonesty of Soriano when asked what kind if flood was that, he said "WHEN I SAY THAT NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE YOU CAN FIND THAT IT IS A GLOBAL FLOOD, I DO NOT WANT TO IMPLY THAT IT IS A LOCAL FLOOD. IT WAS A FLOOD THAT ELIMINATED ALL HUMAN LIFE ON EARTH SAVING EIGHT ACCDG TO THE BIBLE.'
Everybody believes it was a flood that eliminated human life on earth saving eight, so his answer is not an answer at all.
@sorens70601 You can check out his contradiction in his belief, he said he did not believe it was a global flood. But if you look at his wordpress "esoriano-wordpress" look for the title "Learn A Little Mathematics"
At the very first part, he said "Adam and Eve, and eight souls that were left alive after the global flood!"
And now he quotes "global flood". Who would believe this man is the "most sensible preacher of our time" as advertised by his followers. He is simply the opposite.
@Caicen ...Yep, I have to agree with that. I have never heard of the man before, and it seems we have another "cook", (those deceivers Jesus warned us against in Mt.24) parading his deception. The other point I wanted to make is that the earth is far more than 6,000 years, (not billions, but porbably10 to 12 thousand years) as the Bilbe deals with the fact that Lucifer ruled on earth, in the "garden of Eden".
@sorens70601 Yeah i also believe you're stand about the earth about not billion years and far more than 6,000 years, biblically speaking. The biblical events such as the Exodus of Moses and the wars in Jericho are well documented by biblical historians. It will be a colossal dicsrepancy if Adam and Eve existed 150,000 years ago and the events only happen not even 6,000 years ago. So yes it may well be at 10-12 thousand years.
@elmansays Maybe you dont know the difference between a scoff and a "to cirticize"
I did not scoff, but what i did is criticize the unbiblical and contradicting beliefs of Eli in these QandA revelation TV.
And please if I may where did I TWIST ELI's biblical answers? Any Proof? We can discussed it, you don't accuse me of something you cannot even show me "WHERE" specifically i am wrong.
Oh if you cannot show me then definitely you are balatantly LYING.
@Alcazar0227.naniniwala ako sau na dati kng bulag!!!!! pero sa paniniwala mo na nakakita kn hahahaha eto lng ang masasabi ko.hindi k lng nbulag ni bro.elie naging mangmang kp!!tsk,tsk,tsk,wala akong pki alam kung toto mang nangrape sya pro ung magturo sya ng TUNGKOL SA DYOS na hindi nmn totoo.dyan ka naging mangmang.ihuhulog kp nya sa impyerno.ang paniniwala ng ADD marami ang DYOS nakupo.ung binabanggit nga sa MARCOS 16:17-18 hindi pa nya nasusubukan eh dadagdagan p nya ang DYOS.mndarya ng tlata
@Caicen Bro Eli gave sufficient biblical answers to these idle talkers who based their assumptions on genealogy of Jesus Christ for humanity's age and that of earth. Now, if you think Bro Eli is wrong, then what is right? All you did was mention others' beliefs, but what about your own religious belief? Don't you have one to begin with for us to test? Unless that's just the intent of a busybody like you in YouTube, to scoff and to twist Bro Eli's biblical answers. May God bless you.
@elmansays Well what is right is the geneaolgy of Luke is complete with regard to the descendants of Jesus Christ. IT IS ELI who said that it was INCOMPLETE, he needs toprove it biblically that Luke made a mistake reagrding his genealogy. And that I am DEFINITELY sure Eli is WRONG and I AM RIGHT. It's been my stand since I came here, IT WOULD NOT BE MY STAND IF IT WAS NOT MY BELIEF, are you trying to be stupid? Cause it's working.
eliseo soriano can't go back to his country (philippines) because of so many charges filed against him in different courts. he was also accused of raping a young male member of his church.
@Caicen it's ironic that you chose and borrowed the religious belief of others, even from Atheists and name drop instead of proving that your religious belief is the truth. Unless you have nothing to walk about but just preconceived ideas of your ideal individuals than that of the Bible. I read @ditapak has been asking you for your belief for 7 months already.
knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
@elmansays I challenged @ditapak about his allegations to me that my arguments are illogical and he can't even point at a particular argument. He is a troll just like you, when challenge they take a petty cop-out by hiding into fallacies, not knowing how they made a fool out of themselves. But it's fine, I'm used to christians burying their heads in the sand when someone puts forth a logical argument. And you're one of the club of that christian group.
@elmansays And perhaps you should teach you're brethren ditapak, of trying to put forth a comment accordingly well you gave me that advice, he wants to talk about our faiths, eh which part of the 12 part videos of revelation tv is that? See how irrelevant he wants me to be. He wants to divert the topic to getaway from criticism, about Eli's failure in these videos. Oh but you wont do that, right? Doubletalk!
@Caicen if you think otherwise that Bro Eli's answers are biblical, then what religious beliefs do you have that is true? Why ask just now for a debate if the truth is in your religious group. But you chose to scoff around like a busybody.
The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.” They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good. Psalm 53:1 NKJV
And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ Matthew 25:8 NKJV
@elmansays I ask for a debate for the reason that you want to divert the topic at my religion. That's why if you have issues atmy belief I dare you to face me at DebatedotOrg. I don't know how can i get this message to you're thick skull, but it is a fallacious argument or an illogical fallacy to divert the issue(which is revelation Tv between Wli and Grady) to another topic(which is my religion). Irrelevant topics will eventually branch out till the main topic is gone. So it is fallacious.
@Caicen does that mean that all your comments here are not your opinion and neither teachings of your Atheist group? Are you an Atheist? The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.” They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good. Psalm 53:1 NKJV
knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
Before you accused me of something, not all christians believe in a scientific approach in Noah's flood but still they believe by faith. Some believe that bible should not be approached as a scientific book like wwwdotcrivoicedotorg/circledothtml . Even catholics, doesn't look at the bible scientifically inspired book, heck they don't even believe the creation in genesis, and they believe evolution too. But Eli.., he's confused, his stand in his belief put a lot of questions hanging.
@elmansays I knew it you're not well informed of all the christians out there, that';s why you're ignorance for accusing me is monumental. Try searching harder next time. Not all christians believe that the bible is to be interpreted scientificaaly. I gave you a specific website, just as an example. wwwdotcrivoicedotorg/circledothtml Just google before you make any ignorant claims.
@Caicen In fact, you denied your opportunity to prove to the world that your religion is in truth, you even name dropped those who believe in the flood. But what do you really believe in, your religious belief?
Because they did not believe in God, And did not trust in His salvation.
Psalm 78:22 NKJV For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure. John 3:34 NKJV
Bro Eli is a preacher sent by God in this time. His answers are biblical.
He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him. John 7:18 NKJV
For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure. John 3:34 NKJV
Mark 14:57 NKJV Then some rose up and bore false witness against Him, saying, (read TheSynopticGospels' comment)
@elmansays Eli is sent by God? Or he is a self proclaimed messenger. Tell me in what grounds Eli should be called messenger of God? Let me tell you he's doctrines are recycled if not exact copy of other religions, and i dare you to prove me otherwise. Why do you believe Eli is sent by God?
Even his belief that the the flood is not global is just plagiarized to Answers in Genesis, even the belief of ancient earth. Don't tell me he's the first one to teach that, sorry but aint gonna happen.
@Caicen Bro Eli faithfully gave biblical answers in the full video. Watch if you must.
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:26 NKJV
And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 2 Timothy 2:2 NKJV
There is no wisdom or understanding Or counsel against the LORD.
@elmansays I watch the whole video elmansays, but sorry to dissapoint you Eli loses this deabte, he even promises to write or elaborate more on these videos on esoriano wordpress, BUT HE DIDN'T, I guess he knows how he made a fool of himself. This Dr. Grady is just a speck of the big guns in apologetics, you're Eli doesn't have a chance against William Lane Craig or even CS Lewis or even Bart Ehrman, when these "Giant debaters" started to talk i t will be greek to Eli.
@Caicen Are the names you dropping the ones you are involve with or you have none to begin with? Without Bro Eli, you wouldn't know that Mr Howard and Dr Grady have conflicting ideas about the verses in the bible.
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27 NKJV
@elmansays You keep on jumping to new topics, to distract my arguments, sorry troll i know a fallacious arguments, and you definitely learn to that you're self proclaimed messenger Soriano.
Continue in you're path of distraught troll, and let the audience decide. You're here not to have discussion but to troll. Go ahead enjoy bigotry, put you're trust on a delusioned man, like i care.
@elmansays You're comments proves that you are coward to face me in a discussion troll.
Eli doesn't believe in the completeness in genealogy of luke because it will prove a young earth, i think Eli believe in interpreting the bible using science instead of the holy spirit.
Eli have contradicting ideas, he said Abel flock sheeps and some of them are to be consumed by them, which is unbiblical and direct attack to Genesis 1:29-30. It's a preconcieved idea by Eli.
(cont) He said he did not believe the flood was global(borrowing arguments from creationsciencedotorg and answersingenesis) but contradicts himself in his wordpress by saying 8 souls survived in a "global flood"
That is a monumental contradicting statements!
Is Soriano really a sensible preacher of our time and a messenger as advertised by his followers THEN WHY THE HELL did he copied his arguments to other christian denominations? You decide. But bigots will be bigots.
@Caicen your opinions are not even yours, try to look back at your answers and they are not even from your brothers in faith, not even biblica, but rather from people you name dropped. At least speak of what God said in the Bible if you believe in God.
But I say to you that for every IDLE WORD men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
@elmansays What are those specific opinions, you're accusing me of this and that without pointing at a specific topic that you've accusd me of. I speak of what God said in the bible, it is you and Eli who is putting science above the bible. A billion year old earth and let's say a hundred of thousand of years existence of men is not consistent with the bible. Study the biblical events at temple of David, Exodus in Egypt, it did not happen a hundred thousand years ago.
(Cont) Considering the fact that the belief of an "Old earth Creationist" or "Day Age Theory among christians are rather new. Due to modern science these christians try to reconcile biblical truths from science even to the point of looking foolish. And I'm not singling out Eli, because Eli is not the author or did not start this belief, he just PLAGIARIZED and COPIED these beliefs and most if not all of his members are not even aware of it.
Cont. The ignorance of Eli's member led them to believe that Eli was given the knowledge and wisdom by God that he realize that it was a not a "global flood". In his wordpress he used the arguments of "erets" not pertaining to the whole earth, but it was a not his arguments but from creationsciecedotorg and answersingenesis. And what did you're members do? They give credit to Eli that God gave him that wisdom. SIGH.
@Caicen if you don't have any religious opinion of your own, then are you just scoffing around? Have you gone to all the12 part video putting borrowed comments from those you name-dropped just to scoff? So, are you an Atheist Caicen, because you wrote about it, didn't you? Which group are you in?
‘ Behold, you despisers, Marvel and perish! For I work a work in your days, A work which you will by no means believe, Though one were to declare it to you.’” Acts 13:41 NKJV
@elmansays It's either you're not reading my post or you cannot comprehend a single arguments that i have posited. Like I said I have a copy of these 12 part videos, i saved it using realplayer then converted it to avi. Then I ran the video, and almost made a transcript out of it, and what did I come up with , Eli loses the debate.
Scoffing around? Do you even have a single idea what that word means, I came here to discuss and review about the topics in the video, on why did Eli lose the debate, because I have watch the whole 12 part and I have a reason tobelieve that Eli lose. And if you disagree with me, then that is my challenge,let's reason each other out as to why? And what did you do elmansays, NOTHING. Just accused me of something I am not. Have you even searched the website i have posted.
Cont. Like what I have said if you want a debate in "faith" or "doctrines" Private message me. And let's do it in proper place like DEBATE.ORG. Once you done that,i'll give youmy username, then we can start. But in these videos in revelation tv, I will not take the bait of irrelevant issues that are not related to the topic. I simply cannot accept illogical fallacies, like red herring.
How can you identify a false prophet? 1. Self proclaimed Preacher. 2. Has established an exclusive sect w/o recognizing others. 3. No idea of the history of Christianity. 4. The origin of his church came from his own country other than Jerusalem. 5. Has acquired a lot of money. 6. No wife or had many wives. 7. Has a huge property on his name. 8. Registered his church under his name only. 9. Memorized the Bible yet failed in true interpretations. 10. Pretends to be the only Bible interpreter.
Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."
2 Peter 4:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; "
@Caicen They do not know nor understand; For He has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, And their hearts, so that they cannot understand. Isaiah 44:18 NKJV
Eli Soriano is a wanted criminal by the International Police (INTERPOL) for MALE RAPE, MONEY LAUNDERING, LIBEL and several other sexual and criminal activities in the Philippines.
He reads the bible alright but upon closer scrutiny his preaching are misguided, mis-interpreted and deceitful.
Soriano is a very dangerous religious cult leader who uses the name of God and of religion for his business.
for me search for the truth and the truth shall set you free. you will never know until you observe and find for it. dont just believe by what they are saying .. study and research..
The International Police was after Eli Soriano for several years for Male Rape, Libel and Extortion, that's why he could not return to the Philippines.
Do not be deceived.
Soriano uses the bible but if you look into his preaching very closely, a lot of them are interpreted in a very unchristian, deceitful and unbiblical way.
bakit kaya may mga taong nagpapatayan dahil s relihiyon? sana ang mga taong naguumpugan ng opinion dito ay magkaroon ng kapayapaan at respetuhan sa isa't isa. para lahat tayo maligtas
SA MGA MAY MASASAMANG PAG IICIP SA KAPATID NA ELI. GOOD LAK NALNG SA INYO, KC INGGIT LANG KAU INTERNATIONAL NA KAMI, KITA MO NAMN PATI KANO NAPAPAHIYA SA KARUNUNGANG TAGLAY NYA, KAU MERON NYAN????? MAGLAGAY DIN KC KAUNG INGGIT, HINDI NYO KASI MAPALABAS MGA LIDER NYO PARA "MATANONG NG MGA TAO" KC WALANG IBUBUGA ANG MGA MINISTRO NYO SA BIBLIA!!! HAHAHAAHAHAHA
MGA ADD HINAHAMON KO KAYO SA NGALAN NG SATANAS AT BAKLA NYONG SUGO NA ELISEA "BAKLITA" SORIANO NA MAGLABAS KAYO NA MAS LULUMA PA SA "Oxyrhynchus Papyri" NA KOPYA NG REVELATION NA 666 ANG TUNAY NA NUMBER NG BEAST AT HINDI 616. DAHIL AYON MISMO SA CONSENSUS NG MGA SCHOLARS NA ANG TAMANG SALIN AY 616! KAYA KAYONG MGA HINAYUPAK NA ADD AY KAMPON AT TAGAPAGMANA NI SATANAS PATI KURIKONG NI SATANAS INYONG PAG-AARI! MGA GAGO!
@Elisubotitidaniel gago mo di alam ang pinag sasabi gago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tarantado.......... kawawa ka namn, ligaw!!!!!! walang DIOS silay nangapahamak! walang nag gumawa ng mabuti!!!! nako pakiramdaman mo sarili mo baka isa ka sa tinutukoy!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
@o0truthwillprevail0o HEHEHEH HINDI PA SIRA ANG ULO NG MGA SUMUSUBAYBAY D2 PARA PANIWALAAN KA, INGGIT KA LANG D MO MAGAWANG IPILIT SA GAYA PROGRAMA NAMIN NA SI BROD ELI LUMALABAS PARA MATANONG NG MGA TAO. KAU KASI WALANG ALAM SA BIBLIA, KAYA TAKOT MATANONG!!!! HAHAHAH
@o0truthwillprevail0o SORI HEHEH,,,,, OO NGA DAPAT HINDI PINAPANSIN PERO NAKAKA ASAR KC ITONG MGA DEMONYON.... AYOS LANG NAGIGING SIKAT ITONG SITE HAHAHAHAH
uu nakakaasar nga.. pero napansin ko.. un lang nmn ung gawain nila.. ang manginis, manligaw at mang asar.. tsaka pag pinatulan mo.. para ka na ring bumaba sa estado nila...
kaya ngaun naisip ko baka matisod lng ako.. wag ko n lng pansinin, sadyang may mga ganitong tao talga... wag ko n lng pansinin...
@foxnad HINAYUKAP NA TO ANG TIGAS NG TAE MONG PARANG OVALTIN ANG KULAY, SABI NA NGANG HINDI TUTUO YANG MGA PINAGSASABI MO EH........ MALUWAG NA YATA TALGA TURNILYO MO?? PAG KUMPARAHIN MO NGA RELIGION MO SAMIN??? MAG INGAT KA KASI PAG GANYANG KA MATUTUTUNG KA SA IMPIERNO GAGO, MASAMANG MANIRA NG KAPWA!!!!! HINDI MO NAPATUNAYAN MISMO SA SARLI MO
gago mo di alam ang pinag sasabi gago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tarantado.......... kawawa ka namn, ligaw!!!!!! walang DIOS silay nangapahamak! walang nag gumawa ng mabuti!!!! nako pakiramdaman mo sarili mo baka isa ka sa tinutukoy!~
@Elisubotitidaniel TARANTADONG ITO HINAMON ANG MAG TANGANG NG LUCAS 21:15, GAGO KUMAIN MUNA KAU NG ASUKAL NG MAY MAKAIN UTAK NYO, PAGKATAPOS MONG MAG SHABO AT MAG BISYO MAG TRITRP KANANAMN D2 SA HAHAHAHAH, GAGO NALNG MANINIWALA SAU HAHAHAHAHAHA
@Elisubotitidaniel TARANTADONG ITO HINAMON ANG MAY TANGANG NG LUCAS 21:15, GAGO KUMAIN MUNA KAU NG ASUKAL NG MAY MAKAIN UTAK NYO, PAGKATAPOS MONG MAG SHABO AT MAG BISYO MAG TRITRP KANANAMN D2 SA HAHAHAHAH, GAGO NALNG MANINIWALA SAU HAHAHAHAHAHA
@Elisubotitidaniel HEHEHEH BUHAY KA PA RING DEMONYO KA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ANG KULIT KULIT MO PARINM, SARAP SARAP MONG KURUTIN.....KAWAWA KA NAMAN PARA KANG BADING!!!!!!
@Elisubotitidaniel pangalan mo palang demonyong demonyo ka na eh. ikaw ang kay satanas, tukmol. may nalalaman a pang consensus consensus. anlayo ng reasoning mo.napakadefamatory pa ng mga pananalita mo. ikaw talaga ang gago. pasalamat ka ngayon lang kita nasagot. wala na kasi ako masyado time makipagsagutan sa mga gagong kagaya mo!
dapat sa yo matuto ka makipagusap ng maayos. masyado kang halata na demonyong demonyo ka talaga. magtrain kang maige kay taning n
@yhanz1123@baklito! hinayupak nato and2 ka nanaman nagkakalat ng lagim, wag nyo itong paniwalaan malamang lamang itong taong ito tiwalag samin ito sa ADD, kaya wala nang magawang mabuti ito
@Alcazar0227 ewan ko sayo.. basta ang alam ko dati akong bulag ngayon nakakakita na ako.. kahit anu pa sabihin nyo kesyo nangrape sya, kesyo magnanakaw sya, kahit lahat na ng kasamaan ibintang nyo kay bro eli, isa lang ang alam ko, "wala sa masasama na makakaunawa".. AMEN!
@yhanz1123 MGA ADD HINAHAMON KO KAYO SA NGALAN NG SATANAS AT BAKLA NYONG SUGO NA ELISEA "BAKLITA" SORIANO NA MAGLABAS KAYO NA MAS LULUMA PA SA "Oxyrhynchus Papyri" NA KOPYA NG REVELATION NA 666 ANG TUNAY NA NUMBER NG BEAST AT HINDI 616. DAHIL AYON MISMO SA CONSENSUS NG MGA SCHOLARS NA ANG TAMANG SALIN AY 616! KAYA KAYONG MGA HINAYUPAK NA ADD AY KAMPON AT TAGAPAGMANA NI SATANAS PATI KURIKONG NI SATANAS INYONG PAG-AARI! MGA GAGO!
@yhanz1123 MGA ADD HINAHAMON KO KAYO SA NGALAN NG SATANAS AT BAKLA NYONG SUGO NA ELISEA "BAKLITA" SORIANO NA MAGLABAS KAYO NA MAS LULUMA PA SA "Oxyrhynchus Papyri" NA KOPYA NG REVELATION NA 666 ANG TUNAY NA NUMBER NG BEAST AT HINDI 616. DAHIL AYON MISMO SA CONSENSUS NG MGA SCHOLARS NA ANG TAMANG SALIN AY 616! KAYA KAYONG MGA HINAYUPAK NA ADD AY KAMPON AT TAGAPAGMANA NI SATANAS PATI KURIKONG NI SATANAS INYONG PAG-AARI! MGA GAGO!
@yhanz1123 The International Police was after Eli Soriano for several years for Male Rape, Libel and Extortion, that's why he could not return to the Philippines.
Do not be deceived.
Soriano uses the bible but if you look into his preaching very closely, a lot of them are interpreted in a very unchristian, deceitful and unbiblical way.
Eli Soriano is a wanted criminal by the International Police (INTERPOL) for MALE RAPE, MONEY LAUNDERING, LIBEL and several other sexual and criminal activities in the Philippines.
He reads the bible alright but upon closer scrutiny his preaching are misguided, mis-interpreted and deceitful.
Soriano is a very dangerous religious cult leader who uses the name of God and of religion for his business.
Eli Soriano is a wanted criminal by the International Police (INTERPOL) for MALE RAPE, MONEY LAUNDERING, LIBEL and several other sexual and criminal activities in the Philippines.
He reads the bible alright but upon closer scrutiny his preaching are misguided, mis-interpreted and deceitful.
Soriano is a very dangerous religious cult leader who uses the name of God and of religion for his business.
bakit ba tong mga naninira kay bro eli ay nagcocoment pa dito sa youtube? panonoorin ang video ni bro eli pagkatapos maninira.. bakit di nlang sila matulog., lol.
kung maninira lang din kayo wag na ninyo panoorin si bro eli dito sa youtube! siguro kaya nyo sya pinapanood dahil bilib kayo sa knya! kase ung puno nyo hindi magawa ang ginagawa nya! diba?
1 Peter 2:1-3 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby,[a]
if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
Job 21 (New King James Version) 2 “Listen carefully to my speech, And let this be your consolation. 3 Bear with me that I may speak, And after I have spoken, keep mocking.
I watched Mr Howard states his confusion as he sticks to his belief, his thoughts about genealogy in Matt and Luke, even rudely interrupts Bro Eli every now and then, tending to side with Mr Grady's belief. But despite of the limited time and Dr Grady's allegations, Bro. Eli shown the truth about the time of creation of earth, humanity, death, and change of diet of some animals from the start of creation consistent with the prophecy in Isaiah 11:6 and the verses they used including Gen 9:3
@Alcazar0227 tama yung nasa bersikolo, pero yung intindi mo iba ang kahulugan...hindi sa tama ang tinatalakay mo kundi yung mali ang sya mong tinatama, ang hilig lng namin ay mag banalan at mangatwiran...
Me mga tao nagbabasa ng Biblia hindi upang kainin ito kung hindi upang iluwa ito. Hinihimay himay niya ito upang humanap ng baluktot na idea para pagtalunan? Maginagat sa mga ganitong tao.... punahin ang mga sumusunod: Paggamit ng malalaking letra, pangugutya, pagmumura, pagalipusta, pang iinsulto, pag gamit ng mga verses sa Biblia na siya lamang ang nagbigay kahulugan.... iyan ang tatak ng kampon ng kadiliman?
@Alcazar0227 Makatuwiran lang naman maging Choosy ah... Job 34:4... Alin ang pipiliin mo: 1) Huwag gumanti ng masama sa masama o 2) Ang pumatay at mamatay dahil sa sugo ligtas... Choose ka nga, Tol..
o kaya naman, Maniwala sa talagang kapanipaniwala, o Maniwala sa wala, ulol ang iyong kamukha.
"Idol ko kayo eh" tarantado ka nga lang? ano 'to? hindi ba garapal na mas tarantado labas mo dito? Yung inaakala mo na tarantado, eh, iniidolo mo... Edi, talagang tarantado ka nga, ayon din sa salita mo.
The host of the show and Dr Grady is trying to convince the Viewers that all men are vegetarians before Noah's Flood. Abel's job was a shepperd, I dont think he only benefited from sheep skin and milk of its flock but of its meat as well, as Food. In the Bible Abel burn his offerings to God its firstborns and of its fats. Which means to say that the rest of the flock is for them to enjoy, not throw away its meat because they are "Vegetarians"
I cant post comments on TheolgianZ channel.I'm trying to put the sites where people can get info on what kind of person is Dr.Grady McMurtry.I find him so arrogant.It seems that this is a TWO ON ONE debate for Howard is a former Jehovas Witness whom believed that the world is only 6,000yrsofage.I'm glad he invitedBro.Eli to speak in his channel but his intentions were unclear.Looks like they're up to humiliate him becoz evyrtime he tries to answer Grady theres Howard raising diff topic
@alvinbernadette ibig sabihin niloluto na pala ang ulam " Set-up" pala ang nayari,,,nagpapatunay kelangan pala ng sabwatan para kalabanin ang punong tagapangasiwa...,parang nababasa ko dito sa youtube na nadebate ng isang Islam preacher si Dr .Grady at natalo si Dr. Grady...
try to search for Dr.Grady on Gordon's Blog(ecalpemos)In his defence (this section added 27/01/2008)I have been emailed by someone who says:"Dr Mcmurtry actually graduated first in his class at University and is a member of Mensa. DD is a proper doctorate awarded to him."
This all appears to be correct and I am happy to add it to this article for balance, while at the same time pointing out that being generally clever does not make you an expert on geology or evolutionary biology. His doctorate is an honorary one and its in theology, not in a scientific subject. I am not denigrating him as a person, just asking logical questions about his real scientific expertise.
Dr Grady McMurtry - What are his qualifications and scientific expertise? Given his high profile in the UK on Revelation TV recently and his novel ideas on genetics, global warming and plate tectonics I thought I would check out his qualifications and record of scientific research in these areas.
He is usually addressed on his TV appearances as "Dr Grady" and there is great deference to his qualifications: the implication being that he knows better than the viewers. In fact, although he has a general science education it appears to be in agricultural related subjects and his Doctorate is in theology, not science, and is not from a recognised university of any standing.
advocators of the Young Earth forgot the rebellion of Lucifer.when is that happen?? In Gen chapter 3 the serpent was already there.Notice the phrase "and the earth was without form and void" in Gen 1:2.This phrase is used to illustrate destruction and chaos as used in the other books of the Bible.it will contradict Gen 1:1 That says In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.Will God create an Earth in the state of Chaos?What is Gen 1:2 means? pls study history of satan,
For me this was a set up.The arbiter is biased.He deceitfully tried to manipulate the show especially how he control Bro. Eli in his discussion ,Often times he cut him on air even Bro. Eli is expounding on a given point of discussion.I noticed Bro. Eli just slum his back against his chair in great disgust .I wonder what kind of revelation your tv program is up to?
@Caicen In this situation the only thing that we could put under the test of truth is our own beliefs. that is why i keep on insisting to you to bring out what you have and I'll try all my best with our God's help to explain our side. Granting that anybody could put shit on anybody, like what your doing to Bro. Eli, so now tell to me what is righ?, what is not shit?what is clean? what is your belief? Let's have a friendly discussion of our faiths. there's nothing to be afraid of ...
@Caicen that is why i'm asking you to show me your faith and belief. That's the only thing you can use in this discussion. To disagree on my faith show me your faith not this nonsense reasonings on going to other religions. It's already given that muslims could say that the Bible is wrong while Christians could say that other books are wrong. Let's accept that fact. But after that we should prove our statements. We should put it under the test of truth.
@Caicen in a debate before you stand on one thing or use a thing against others you should agree on it first and believe on it first. While you are using others faith to disagree or redicule Bro. Eli's preachings. That's a lot of nonsense indeed. You cannot judge on a thing you agree with and on the other hand you cannot agree with things you judge wrong. Even on mans courts before you show an evidence or witness you should believe on it...
@Caicen i'm not accusing the koran. I know that jihad is a moslem faith base on koran. I'm asking you where in the Bible did God teach killings? You might question why He kills, it's His right. He is the life giver and He can take it back. But for people to kill others and practice terrorism is against the teachings of Lord JesusChrist. I say your reasoning is nonsense and stupid cause your standing on others faith and belief to which i know you don't believe in also. That's stupidity.
@Caicen what an evil heart you have. What wrong has Bro Eli done to you for you to redicule him. If you know what is absurd then you must know what is not. Maybe your belief is not absurd or rediculous but why are you so afraid to put it on test. Your the one who's always diverting the topic. You don't have the right to quote the muslims and other religions just to redicule somebody. not showing what you believe in is cowardness to put it into test. then stop rediculing others.
@Caicen maybe it's better you tell us what you believe in and we'll talk about it. If you're so good!! dont go on muslims, dont go on other christian groups, hindus, buddhists and on contesting their books against the Bible. Let us talk about your faith as against my faith which is in the Bible. Isn't that better. what do you believe in?? flying spaghetti monster?? or are you an atheist? i'm challenging your goodness.
@ditapak You are trying to divert the topic. What would it benefit you if i'd tell you about what I believe in. This is a comment board for revelation tv. I'm here not to discuss what I believe in, I'm here to ridicule the absurd of Eli's so called knowledge in science and bible. Haven't you've seen my arguments, do I argue about my belief? I'm here to show how illogical and unsound you're so called meticulous preacher. Why go beyond that topic. If you want to engage atheist go to their forum.
@Caicen so i see you really ridicule all the commentaries of Bro. Eli on this channel. who are you here a guard that keeps blocking Bro. Eli's Fans? Ooh, how i see how rude you are to the others ehh, well you're bad!!!!!! well then contrary to that i will expose then to others the trash belief of your ☻Cult Religion☻!!!! you're a little bit hard to others ehh, you Fucking idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥L☺ng Live Br☺. Eli♥♥♥♥♥♥!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To Say that this is six 24hour day will make us ignorant of the facts that happened. - Soriano
What a flip flop from Brother Soriano Himself. Brother Soriano naman, mag research kanaman, wag mong pa iralin ang pride mo.
Please we need to pray for Brother Soriano to give up his pride and open up his mind. He is in prison of an evolutionary mind box. Can't see anything outside of the box.
AnotherSlaveOfChrist 1 day ago in playlist Uploaded videos
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Bro Eli Soriano, we know you just want to serve God, but don't "Shout" something you did not research enough. You just look so stupid in you arguments.
Please RESEARCH Brother Soriano, don't just limit your mind to evolutionist scientist which are funded by the ROTHSCHILDS ever since the darwin. Please research Brother Soriano. The PRIDE OF SORIANO! Wag mag pa bobo brother soriano, You are being lied by satan and your pride is keeping you to stick to the lies.
AnotherSlaveOfChrist 1 day ago in playlist Uploaded videos
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Wake up Brother Eli Soriano. You are living in a world that is owned by Satan(Matthew 4:3) especially the Theory of Evolution.
Please Research Brother Soriano, Listen to Pastor Kent Hovind who is currently in prison because of opposing athiest's evolution theory.
Wake up! The Fake New World Order by the international bankers and elite freemasons are almost revealing themselves out in the open.
AnotherSlaveOfChrist 1 day ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Bro. Eli stands the truth, no doubt for me..
hilerapostle 1 week ago
They don't stand a chance against Bro. Eli. Haha. It's obvious that they are afraid to answers Bro. Eli questions, obviously they avoided it. Hahaha,
widereader87 3 weeks ago
Luke 11:33-34 NKJV “No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light.The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness.
elmansays 1 month ago
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@Caicen haven'tt he video shown how Bro Eli exposed this two with God's help and that's a win! Mr Howard narrated his genealogy notion out of misreading the context of a verse. Dr Grady's formed argument out of from misreads to Bro Eli's blog prior to this debate. These two preachers leavened their own bread.
1 Cor 5:8 NKJV
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
elmansays 1 month ago
Mr Howard, your STUPID opinion is not necessary when we talk about the TRUTH!!! Every word that coming out from bro Eli's mouth is merely based from the Scriptures!!! Don't show your IGNORANCE on your very BIAS T.V. show...IDIOT!!!!
barneygurl08 2 months ago
yan ang pinoy the most sensible preacher in our time
ahuhboy 2 months ago
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Mr Howard was confused, and so is Dr Grady. Even Mr Howard rudely interrupts Bro Eli, every now and then, tending to side with Mr Grady's belief. But despite of the limited time and Dr Grady's allegations, Bro. Eli shown the truth about the time of creation of earth, humanity, death, and change of diet of some animals from the start of creation consistent with the prophecy in Isaiah 11:6 and the verses they used including Gen 9:3
elmansays 2 months ago
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Revelation TV has rejected and distanced themselves from godly council and chosen to show heretical money preacher’s for the purposes of financial gain and popularity. As a consequence they have disassociated themselves from sound bible teachers that have spoken up (Jacob Prasch, Bob Mitchell, Brian Gemmell, and Alan Franklin) and embraced teachers that advocate doctrines of demons.( Jesse Duplantis, Kenneth Copeland) Howard Condor needs to be confronted and give an account for his actions.
shoe6464 2 months ago
SOME SCIENTISTS WILL GIVE YOU THEIR REASONS FOR EVERYTHING. BUT ONE THING THEY CANNOT EXPLAIN IS THE ORIGIN OF HUMAN VALUES, INTELLECT PITY, COMPLEX THINKING, LOVE, UNDERSTANDING, MERCY. THESE SETS US APART FROM ANIMALS.
manggerry 3 months ago
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Mr Howard was confused, and so is Dr Grady. Even Mr Howard rudely interrupts Bro Eli, every now and then, tending to side with Mr Grady's belief. But despite of the limited time and Dr Grady's allegations, Bro. Eli shown the truth about the time of creation of earth, humanity, death, and change of diet of some animals from the start of creation consistent with the prophecy in Isaiah 11:6 and the verses they used including Gen 9:3
elmansays 3 months ago
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@Caicen Romans 3:4 NKJV
Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “ That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.”
elmansays 3 months ago
Psalm 104:30 NKJV
You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; And You renew the face of the earth.
Isaiah 41:20 NKJV
That they may see and know, And consider and understand together, That the hand of the LORD has done this, And the Holy One of Israel has created it.
Isaiah 43:7 NJV
Everyone who is called by My name, Whom I have created for My glory; I have formed him, yes, I have made him.”
elmansays 4 months ago
@elmansays The troll of youtube. Always here for no reasons, but to fabricate lies.
Caicen 4 months ago
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@Caicen Romans 3:4 NKJV
Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “ That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.”
elmansays 3 months ago
There is no clash between Science and Religion at all. All of them are past of Natural Processes that are taking place on this planet let alone the entire universe. Nature is what we know exists in our planet. But we dont know what kind of Natures or laws out there in another dimensions. A true scientist would not discredit, the concept of Supernatural, if he is a true Naturalist. There are numerous things that we do not know out there....
xrismdumaran 4 months ago
Adam and Eve story is not even a prehistory, it is called myth, or legend...may be true or real names, taken out of their culture's oral tradition. Compared to how Rome was built, from its founder, Romulos, or Troy, or Atlantis..The Jews thought of creation as to how they themselves originated from God, like the Egyptians as well, and other Mesopotamian nations which believed they came from gods...mother gods.and father gods.
xrismdumaran 4 months ago
The Jewish explanation of guilt, sin, nakedness, parental give away in marriage, the reason for agriculture, and labour, and childbirth, pains and sufferings for them is based on the entrance of sin, and sin came from temptation's yielding of the first parents. This is very practical explanation in the Middle East why they did and do these things in their culture, such as coverings of the body, not exposing it, arrange marriages, keeping of sabbath...Which belongs to bronze age period of man.
xrismdumaran 4 months ago
True scientists would not discount the story of Genesis, Gilgamesh, Enuma Elish, and other source for ancient Theodicy, even Plato and Aristotle..
The explanation for the origin of the Earth by the Jews is based on their religious observance of a weekly Sabbath. 7 days creation is Babylonian week, and the Jews gave reason as to why they observed the Seventh Day..Creation Story was born and crafted by the Editors of Genesis.
xrismdumaran 4 months ago
You need to categorize the use of Evidence for scientific and even philosophical explanation of the Origins of the Universe. Likewise, Bible cannot be used as textbooks for science per se, you can use it as background for sociology and anthropology how ancients did their science. It is not fair to compare the prophets with modern scientists.
xrismdumaran 4 months ago
Even the most Ancient records of how the earth began, would have been by the thousands of years compared to geological dating of millions of years. Hence, Epics, and Genesis creation is prescientific accounts.
xrismdumaran 4 months ago
Dating the earth has nothing to do with Biblical dates...because Biblical dates is subject to Jewish idea of their origins, which is the basis of their Scriptures. The Scriptures are not historical records, they are spiritual writings to explain how Jewish nation, which includes Arabs as well came to existence.
xrismdumaran 4 months ago
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These preachers are all the same, using science to justify their gods or religion. Why dont we just cut to the chase and talk about the magic, superhumans, and mythical creatures in the bible where's science in that.
Alvintheatheist 6 months ago 23
@Alvintheatheist Why dont we just cut to the chase and talk about monkeys, star wars, alien creatures in the universe where's science in that.
zetetikos123 3 months ago in playlist Bro. Eli Soriano on RevelationTV's Q & A show (10.24.2010)
@zetetikos123 I believe you have no clue on what you are spewing. And I found your comment ignorant to begin with. Can you be more articulate on that comment of yours.
Alvintheatheist 2 months ago 3
@Caicen Proverbs 9:13 NKJV
A foolish woman is clamorous; She is simple, and knows nothing.
elmansays 6 months ago
Maybe the New Testament was a conspiracy against the Hebrews, and that Malachi is the last of the Prophets. Plus, even IN the New Testament Christ says that he had NOT come to destroy the law, but to fulfil, and until heaven and Earth pass away the law still stands. Is heaven and Earth still here ?
truthhitmanisback 6 months ago
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truthhitmanisback 6 months ago
Psalm 49:10 NKJV
For he sees wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish, And leave their wealth to others.
elmansays 6 months ago
@elmansays After I destroyed his satan born "arguments", he is now back to trolling.
Caicen 6 months ago 12
@Caicen Might as well get a bread from Bro Eli than dead stones from you scoffer.
Luke 19:47 NKJV
And He was teaching daily in the temple. But the chief priests, the scribes, and the leaders of the people sought to destroy Him,
elmansays 1 month ago
@elmansays Yeah whatever troll, go ahead eat his bread. I am not trying convince you because it is a bit obvious that you are not here to reason but to troll. But I'm only replying to you mainly to expose you(troll) and Soriano about how he made a fool of himself in this debate. One thing is sure, whether you like it or not the ARGUMENTS he made in these videos shows how much he is ignorant about his position.
Caicen 1 month ago
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@Caicen Bro Eli exposed Mr Howard's own idea of genealogy that stems as a child misreading the context of a verse; even Dr Grady's rebuttal created from his misreading of Bro Eli's blog prior this debate. With God's help, Bro Eli exposed how these two preachers leavened their own bread.
1 Corinthians 5:8 NKJV
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
elmansays 1 month ago
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@Caicen Bro Eli exposed Mr Howard's own idea of genealogy that stems as a child misreading the context of a verse; even Dr Grady's rebuttal created from his misreading of Bro Eli's blog prior this debate. That's a win! With God's help, Bro Eli exposed how these two preachers leavened their own bread.
1 Corinthians 5:8 NKJV
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
elmansays 1 month ago
This is the 2nd video with 6 parts. As you watch, you'll see how Bro Eli tackles that the earth is ancient and humanity is recent. I would rather watch the whole 12 part videos than read the misreads of @Caicen written all over. If I have questions, I can tweet them to BroEliSoriano. I believe in my preacher's biblical answers because it is God-given.
He who begets a scoffer does so to his sorrow, And the father of a fool has no joy. Proverbs 17:21 NKJV
elmansays 6 months ago
@elmansays Wow how many that i would repeat that I watched the whole part videos. It is you who has a problem of comprehending the videos, it's because you are deluded to believe that Eli won the debate. Yes humanity is recent, but Eli gave a human fossil that is 100,000 years old, it only implies that Adam and Eve live much older than that date, because why would he gave that example. But no archaeological evidence that biblical events took place in 6,000+ years.
Caicen 6 months ago
@elmansays Cont. "READ THE MISREADS" How comfrtable for you to say that without giving proof where I did that. See I know you can't give proofs where I misread, beacause you know to well that i have arguments that is hard to bend. So have fun lying "elamansays" you're good at that. And I have a proof that you are fabricating lies here in youtube. And I dare you to prove me otherwise. Remember I have evidence of your LIES!
Caicen 6 months ago
@Caicen one of the 12-part-video, the above tackles about genealogy as a basis for the creationist computations of humanity's age, but Bro Eli proved that they are wrong to use it. If you think otherwise, tell me your preacher's twitter or wordpress like BroEliSoriano or esoriano wordpress. Unless your preacher failed to stand up for your religious belief in this kind of Q&A.
“ He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself, And he who rebukes a wicked man only harms himself. Pro 9:7 NKJV
elmansays 6 months ago
@elmansays Why would you always resort to logical fallacies, I can defend my faith by myself. And how did Eli prove biblicaly that the geneaology of Luke was incomplete(according to him)? Can you give me biblical events that is more than 5000 years ago, historically and archaeologically speaking? Is there evidence that the bible events took place more than 6000 years ago? Eli cited modern human fossils existed at 100,000 yrs ago, are you implying Adam and Eve 100,000+ ago? I can refute that.
Caicen 6 months ago
@elmansays Cont The only one who has failed so far is you troll, you haven't even touch my arguments, instead you hide in irrelevant issues. My arguments stand as of today, and i feel it's not going to be answered anytime soon, you are too afraid to face my arguments, you just dont have the intellectual capability to do so.
Caicen 6 months ago
@Caicen just try to back track your idle talks and read how you misunderstood Bro Eli's biblical answer from the video above. Bro Eli gave sufficient biblical answers to these idle talkers who based their assumptions on genealogy of Jesus Christ for humanity's age and that of earth. Give me your preacher's name and I will ask him what he taught you.
“ He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself, And he who rebukes a wicked man only harms himself. Proverbs 9:7 NKJV
elmansays 6 months ago
@elmansays Let's see the trolls progress;
1. First he uses biblical passage for atheist, directed to me. Failed!
2. He then want to know my religion, which is irrelevant. Failed!
3. He then accuses me of scoffing and twisting Eli's word's, but did not gave proof. Failed!
4. He accuses me that i'm hiding my religious belief for 6 months, and then i showed him my beliefs regarding flood was posted since the day i came here, then he goes silent. Failed.
This is a monumental FAIL! Troll!
Caicen 6 months ago
guys remember mat.10:22? And you will be hated of all men for my names sake:yet he who will endure till the end will be saved. This verse in the bible denotes,that salvation is free,a gift from God yet,we all need to do our part to deal everything that will drag us out of the track,hold firmly to what the teachings of our lord Jesus Christ till the end,so that we will be saved.Pretty tough i guess.
reynee100 6 months ago
@Caicen Bro Eli faithfully gave his biblical answers, the problem is your comprehension which is also Mr Grady's problem. Instead of biblical answers, he chose to accuse Bro Eli of what he never said. You could have asked him in his twitter account twitter.com/ BroEliSoriano to further elaborate his biblical answers, but you opted to take his place by giving your own twisted opinion.
A scoffer seeks wisdom and does not find it,But knowledge is easy to him who understands. Proverbs 14:6
elmansays 6 months ago
@elmansays LIAR! Show me where I am wrong at my comprehension? If you cannot show to me specifically then you are spreading lies and misleading people here, your just accusing me of your nonsense allegations that are not in the slightest to be true. You are a dishonest man "elmansays", I don't know if you willfully do it or you are just plain ignorant of your fallacious arguments.
Caicen 6 months ago
@Caicen ...So what is the big question here ? I listened to one of these videos, where this "Eli soriano",(I have never heard of him before) answered that Noahs flood was a local flood. Well obviously that's very ignorant, as the Bible makes it clear that it was world wide, moreover, Noah's Ark has been found on one of the several mountains of ARARAT, in eastern Turkey, In fact the Tzar of Russia, was killed in 1917, by the "bolshevik Jews" on orders of Rothschild, after the the Tzar in that...
sorens70601 6 months ago
...same year in the early summer had undertaken an expedition to those mountains, and actually found the Ark, and was going to publish these facts. But the "powers that be" who financed Darwin' evolutionary theories, as well as Karl Marx, (aka Moses Levi Mordechai) for producing Clinton Roosevelt"s "Manifesto" word for word, (first written in 1841,only canging the title to "the Comunist manifesto") could not let this happen, as the "proof of Noahs Ark" would be a "monkey wrench" in the works..
sorens70601 6 months ago
...of the Satanic "evolutionary indoctrination", by which man gets to live by his/her "animal passions", without any conscience of a righteous God, and everlasting punishment. But on the question of the age of the earth, it is clear from many passages of scripture, that there was a "social structure" before Adam and Eve. And that Lucifer, had domain over this social system before he sinned, and was thrown out of Heaven. The Idea that the earth is only 6,000 years or so, is not correct !!!
sorens70601 6 months ago
@sorens70601 Even early christianity, believe it was a global one. But you can see the dishonesty of Soriano when asked what kind if flood was that, he said "WHEN I SAY THAT NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE YOU CAN FIND THAT IT IS A GLOBAL FLOOD, I DO NOT WANT TO IMPLY THAT IT IS A LOCAL FLOOD. IT WAS A FLOOD THAT ELIMINATED ALL HUMAN LIFE ON EARTH SAVING EIGHT ACCDG TO THE BIBLE.'
Everybody believes it was a flood that eliminated human life on earth saving eight, so his answer is not an answer at all.
Caicen 6 months ago
@sorens70601 You can check out his contradiction in his belief, he said he did not believe it was a global flood. But if you look at his wordpress "esoriano-wordpress" look for the title "Learn A Little Mathematics"
At the very first part, he said "Adam and Eve, and eight souls that were left alive after the global flood!"
And now he quotes "global flood". Who would believe this man is the "most sensible preacher of our time" as advertised by his followers. He is simply the opposite.
Caicen 6 months ago
@Caicen ...Yep, I have to agree with that. I have never heard of the man before, and it seems we have another "cook", (those deceivers Jesus warned us against in Mt.24) parading his deception. The other point I wanted to make is that the earth is far more than 6,000 years, (not billions, but porbably10 to 12 thousand years) as the Bilbe deals with the fact that Lucifer ruled on earth, in the "garden of Eden".
sorens70601 6 months ago
@sorens70601 Yeah i also believe you're stand about the earth about not billion years and far more than 6,000 years, biblically speaking. The biblical events such as the Exodus of Moses and the wars in Jericho are well documented by biblical historians. It will be a colossal dicsrepancy if Adam and Eve existed 150,000 years ago and the events only happen not even 6,000 years ago. So yes it may well be at 10-12 thousand years.
Caicen 6 months ago
@elmansays Maybe you dont know the difference between a scoff and a "to cirticize"
I did not scoff, but what i did is criticize the unbiblical and contradicting beliefs of Eli in these QandA revelation TV.
And please if I may where did I TWIST ELI's biblical answers? Any Proof? We can discussed it, you don't accuse me of something you cannot even show me "WHERE" specifically i am wrong.
Oh if you cannot show me then definitely you are balatantly LYING.
Caicen 6 months ago
@Alcazar0227.naniniwala ako sau na dati kng bulag!!!!! pero sa paniniwala mo na nakakita kn hahahaha eto lng ang masasabi ko.hindi k lng nbulag ni bro.elie naging mangmang kp!!tsk,tsk,tsk,wala akong pki alam kung toto mang nangrape sya pro ung magturo sya ng TUNGKOL SA DYOS na hindi nmn totoo.dyan ka naging mangmang.ihuhulog kp nya sa impyerno.ang paniniwala ng ADD marami ang DYOS nakupo.ung binabanggit nga sa MARCOS 16:17-18 hindi pa nya nasusubukan eh dadagdagan p nya ang DYOS.mndarya ng tlata
potnark 6 months ago
@Caicen Bro Eli gave sufficient biblical answers to these idle talkers who based their assumptions on genealogy of Jesus Christ for humanity's age and that of earth. Now, if you think Bro Eli is wrong, then what is right? All you did was mention others' beliefs, but what about your own religious belief? Don't you have one to begin with for us to test? Unless that's just the intent of a busybody like you in YouTube, to scoff and to twist Bro Eli's biblical answers. May God bless you.
elmansays 6 months ago
@elmansays Well what is right is the geneaolgy of Luke is complete with regard to the descendants of Jesus Christ. IT IS ELI who said that it was INCOMPLETE, he needs toprove it biblically that Luke made a mistake reagrding his genealogy. And that I am DEFINITELY sure Eli is WRONG and I AM RIGHT. It's been my stand since I came here, IT WOULD NOT BE MY STAND IF IT WAS NOT MY BELIEF, are you trying to be stupid? Cause it's working.
Caicen 6 months ago
eliseo soriano can't go back to his country (philippines) because of so many charges filed against him in different courts. he was also accused of raping a young male member of his church.
assailant101 7 months ago
@Caicen it's ironic that you chose and borrowed the religious belief of others, even from Atheists and name drop instead of proving that your religious belief is the truth. Unless you have nothing to walk about but just preconceived ideas of your ideal individuals than that of the Bible. I read @ditapak has been asking you for your belief for 7 months already.
knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
2 Peter 3:3 NKJV
elmansays 7 months ago
@elmansays I challenged @ditapak about his allegations to me that my arguments are illogical and he can't even point at a particular argument. He is a troll just like you, when challenge they take a petty cop-out by hiding into fallacies, not knowing how they made a fool out of themselves. But it's fine, I'm used to christians burying their heads in the sand when someone puts forth a logical argument. And you're one of the club of that christian group.
Caicen 7 months ago
@elmansays And perhaps you should teach you're brethren ditapak, of trying to put forth a comment accordingly well you gave me that advice, he wants to talk about our faiths, eh which part of the 12 part videos of revelation tv is that? See how irrelevant he wants me to be. He wants to divert the topic to getaway from criticism, about Eli's failure in these videos. Oh but you wont do that, right? Doubletalk!
Caicen 7 months ago
@Caicen if you think otherwise that Bro Eli's answers are biblical, then what religious beliefs do you have that is true? Why ask just now for a debate if the truth is in your religious group. But you chose to scoff around like a busybody.
The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.” They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good. Psalm 53:1 NKJV
And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ Matthew 25:8 NKJV
elmansays 7 months ago
@elmansays I ask for a debate for the reason that you want to divert the topic at my religion. That's why if you have issues atmy belief I dare you to face me at DebatedotOrg. I don't know how can i get this message to you're thick skull, but it is a fallacious argument or an illogical fallacy to divert the issue(which is revelation Tv between Wli and Grady) to another topic(which is my religion). Irrelevant topics will eventually branch out till the main topic is gone. So it is fallacious.
Caicen 7 months ago
@Caicen does that mean that all your comments here are not your opinion and neither teachings of your Atheist group? Are you an Atheist? The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.” They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good. Psalm 53:1 NKJV
knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
2 Peter 3:3 NKJV
St Peter also wrote about the flood.
elmansays 7 months ago
Before you accused me of something, not all christians believe in a scientific approach in Noah's flood but still they believe by faith. Some believe that bible should not be approached as a scientific book like wwwdotcrivoicedotorg/circledothtml . Even catholics, doesn't look at the bible scientifically inspired book, heck they don't even believe the creation in genesis, and they believe evolution too. But Eli.., he's confused, his stand in his belief put a lot of questions hanging.
Caicen 7 months ago
@elmansays I knew it you're not well informed of all the christians out there, that';s why you're ignorance for accusing me is monumental. Try searching harder next time. Not all christians believe that the bible is to be interpreted scientificaaly. I gave you a specific website, just as an example. wwwdotcrivoicedotorg/circledothtml Just google before you make any ignorant claims.
Caicen 7 months ago
@Caicen In fact, you denied your opportunity to prove to the world that your religion is in truth, you even name dropped those who believe in the flood. But what do you really believe in, your religious belief?
Because they did not believe in God, And did not trust in His salvation.
Psalm 78:22 NKJV For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure. John 3:34 NKJV
elmansays 7 months ago
Bro Eli is a preacher sent by God in this time. His answers are biblical.
He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him. John 7:18 NKJV
For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure. John 3:34 NKJV
Mark 14:57 NKJV Then some rose up and bore false witness against Him, saying, (read TheSynopticGospels' comment)
elmansays 7 months ago
@elmansays Eli is sent by God? Or he is a self proclaimed messenger. Tell me in what grounds Eli should be called messenger of God? Let me tell you he's doctrines are recycled if not exact copy of other religions, and i dare you to prove me otherwise. Why do you believe Eli is sent by God?
Even his belief that the the flood is not global is just plagiarized to Answers in Genesis, even the belief of ancient earth. Don't tell me he's the first one to teach that, sorry but aint gonna happen.
Caicen 7 months ago
@Caicen Bro Eli faithfully gave biblical answers in the full video. Watch if you must.
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:26 NKJV
And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 2 Timothy 2:2 NKJV
There is no wisdom or understanding Or counsel against the LORD.
Pro 21:30 NKJV
elmansays 7 months ago
@elmansays I watch the whole video elmansays, but sorry to dissapoint you Eli loses this deabte, he even promises to write or elaborate more on these videos on esoriano wordpress, BUT HE DIDN'T, I guess he knows how he made a fool of himself. This Dr. Grady is just a speck of the big guns in apologetics, you're Eli doesn't have a chance against William Lane Craig or even CS Lewis or even Bart Ehrman, when these "Giant debaters" started to talk i t will be greek to Eli.
Caicen 7 months ago
@Caicen Are the names you dropping the ones you are involve with or you have none to begin with? Without Bro Eli, you wouldn't know that Mr Howard and Dr Grady have conflicting ideas about the verses in the bible.
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27 NKJV
elmansays 7 months ago
@elmansays You keep on jumping to new topics, to distract my arguments, sorry troll i know a fallacious arguments, and you definitely learn to that you're self proclaimed messenger Soriano.
Continue in you're path of distraught troll, and let the audience decide. You're here not to have discussion but to troll. Go ahead enjoy bigotry, put you're trust on a delusioned man, like i care.
Caicen 7 months ago
@elmansays You're comments proves that you are coward to face me in a discussion troll.
Eli doesn't believe in the completeness in genealogy of luke because it will prove a young earth, i think Eli believe in interpreting the bible using science instead of the holy spirit.
Eli have contradicting ideas, he said Abel flock sheeps and some of them are to be consumed by them, which is unbiblical and direct attack to Genesis 1:29-30. It's a preconcieved idea by Eli.
Caicen 7 months ago
(cont) He said he did not believe the flood was global(borrowing arguments from creationsciencedotorg and answersingenesis) but contradicts himself in his wordpress by saying 8 souls survived in a "global flood"
That is a monumental contradicting statements!
Is Soriano really a sensible preacher of our time and a messenger as advertised by his followers THEN WHY THE HELL did he copied his arguments to other christian denominations? You decide. But bigots will be bigots.
Caicen 7 months ago
@Caicen your opinions are not even yours, try to look back at your answers and they are not even from your brothers in faith, not even biblica, but rather from people you name dropped. At least speak of what God said in the Bible if you believe in God.
But I say to you that for every IDLE WORD men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
Matthew 12:36 NKJV
The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Acts 1:1 NKJV
elmansays 7 months ago
@elmansays What are those specific opinions, you're accusing me of this and that without pointing at a specific topic that you've accusd me of. I speak of what God said in the bible, it is you and Eli who is putting science above the bible. A billion year old earth and let's say a hundred of thousand of years existence of men is not consistent with the bible. Study the biblical events at temple of David, Exodus in Egypt, it did not happen a hundred thousand years ago.
Caicen 7 months ago
(Cont) Considering the fact that the belief of an "Old earth Creationist" or "Day Age Theory among christians are rather new. Due to modern science these christians try to reconcile biblical truths from science even to the point of looking foolish. And I'm not singling out Eli, because Eli is not the author or did not start this belief, he just PLAGIARIZED and COPIED these beliefs and most if not all of his members are not even aware of it.
Caicen 7 months ago
Cont. The ignorance of Eli's member led them to believe that Eli was given the knowledge and wisdom by God that he realize that it was a not a "global flood". In his wordpress he used the arguments of "erets" not pertaining to the whole earth, but it was a not his arguments but from creationsciecedotorg and answersingenesis. And what did you're members do? They give credit to Eli that God gave him that wisdom. SIGH.
Caicen 7 months ago
@Caicen if you don't have any religious opinion of your own, then are you just scoffing around? Have you gone to all the12 part video putting borrowed comments from those you name-dropped just to scoff? So, are you an Atheist Caicen, because you wrote about it, didn't you? Which group are you in?
‘ Behold, you despisers, Marvel and perish! For I work a work in your days, A work which you will by no means believe, Though one were to declare it to you.’” Acts 13:41 NKJV
elmansays 7 months ago
@elmansays It's either you're not reading my post or you cannot comprehend a single arguments that i have posited. Like I said I have a copy of these 12 part videos, i saved it using realplayer then converted it to avi. Then I ran the video, and almost made a transcript out of it, and what did I come up with , Eli loses the debate.
Caicen 7 months ago
Cont .
Scoffing around? Do you even have a single idea what that word means, I came here to discuss and review about the topics in the video, on why did Eli lose the debate, because I have watch the whole 12 part and I have a reason tobelieve that Eli lose. And if you disagree with me, then that is my challenge,let's reason each other out as to why? And what did you do elmansays, NOTHING. Just accused me of something I am not. Have you even searched the website i have posted.
Caicen 7 months ago
Cont. Like what I have said if you want a debate in "faith" or "doctrines" Private message me. And let's do it in proper place like DEBATE.ORG. Once you done that,i'll give youmy username, then we can start. But in these videos in revelation tv, I will not take the bait of irrelevant issues that are not related to the topic. I simply cannot accept illogical fallacies, like red herring.
Caicen 7 months ago
TheSynopticGospels 7 months ago
Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."
2 Peter 4:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; "
TheSynopticGospels 7 months ago
I tried to look at Interpol website and there is no such thing.
Proverbs 19:22 NKJV
What is desired in a man is kindness, And a poor man is better than a liar.
elmansays 7 months ago
@elmansays Troll.
Caicen 7 months ago
@Caicen They do not know nor understand; For He has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, And their hearts, so that they cannot understand. Isaiah 44:18 NKJV
elmansays 7 months ago
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Eli Soriano is a wanted criminal by the International Police (INTERPOL) for MALE RAPE, MONEY LAUNDERING, LIBEL and several other sexual and criminal activities in the Philippines.
He reads the bible alright but upon closer scrutiny his preaching are misguided, mis-interpreted and deceitful.
Soriano is a very dangerous religious cult leader who uses the name of God and of religion for his business.
DO NOT be deceived by this FALSE PREACHER !!!
EliHomosexualSoriano 8 months ago
for me search for the truth and the truth shall set you free. you will never know until you observe and find for it. dont just believe by what they are saying .. study and research..
jaysonrejoiceo2 8 months ago
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The International Police was after Eli Soriano for several years for Male Rape, Libel and Extortion, that's why he could not return to the Philippines.
Do not be deceived.
Soriano uses the bible but if you look into his preaching very closely, a lot of them are interpreted in a very unchristian, deceitful and unbiblical way.
MissEliSoriano 8 months ago
ayus to.....Maganda ang my ganito para maintindihan di ba?....
mabrokents7 8 months ago
ayus to.....
mabrokents7 8 months ago
bakit kaya may mga taong nagpapatayan dahil s relihiyon? sana ang mga taong naguumpugan ng opinion dito ay magkaroon ng kapayapaan at respetuhan sa isa't isa. para lahat tayo maligtas
faithcabigting 8 months ago
ang galing talaga ni bro. eli mga kapatid wag na yung pansinin cla bsta ang alam ntin ang katotohanan....salamat sa DIOS....
jUrIs0o3 9 months ago
SA MGA MAY MASASAMANG PAG IICIP SA KAPATID NA ELI. GOOD LAK NALNG SA INYO, KC INGGIT LANG KAU INTERNATIONAL NA KAMI, KITA MO NAMN PATI KANO NAPAPAHIYA SA KARUNUNGANG TAGLAY NYA, KAU MERON NYAN????? MAGLAGAY DIN KC KAUNG INGGIT, HINDI NYO KASI MAPALABAS MGA LIDER NYO PARA "MATANONG NG MGA TAO" KC WALANG IBUBUGA ANG MGA MINISTRO NYO SA BIBLIA!!! HAHAHAAHAHAHA
foxnad 9 months ago
Matthew 13:25 NKJV
but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
Mark 14 NKJV
4 But there were some who were indignant among themselves, and said, “Why was this fragrant oil wasted?
5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor.” And they criticized her sharply.
Matthew 26 NKJV
10 But when Jesus was aware of it, He said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a good work for Me.
elmansays 10 months ago
MGA ADD HINAHAMON KO KAYO SA NGALAN NG SATANAS AT BAKLA NYONG SUGO NA ELISEA "BAKLITA" SORIANO NA MAGLABAS KAYO NA MAS LULUMA PA SA "Oxyrhynchus Papyri" NA KOPYA NG REVELATION NA 666 ANG TUNAY NA NUMBER NG BEAST AT HINDI 616. DAHIL AYON MISMO SA CONSENSUS NG MGA SCHOLARS NA ANG TAMANG SALIN AY 616! KAYA KAYONG MGA HINAYUPAK NA ADD AY KAMPON AT TAGAPAGMANA NI SATANAS PATI KURIKONG NI SATANAS INYONG PAG-AARI! MGA GAGO!
Elisubotitidaniel 10 months ago
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foxnad 9 months ago
@foxnad
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o0truthwillprevail0o 9 months ago
@o0truthwillprevail0o HEHEHEH HINDI PA SIRA ANG ULO NG MGA SUMUSUBAYBAY D2 PARA PANIWALAAN KA, INGGIT KA LANG D MO MAGAWANG IPILIT SA GAYA PROGRAMA NAMIN NA SI BROD ELI LUMALABAS PARA MATANONG NG MGA TAO. KAU KASI WALANG ALAM SA BIBLIA, KAYA TAKOT MATANONG!!!! HAHAHAH
foxnad 9 months ago
@foxnad
ngek kinalaban mo ko? nagets mo ba sinabi ko?
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o0truthwillprevail0o 9 months ago
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foxnad 9 months ago
@foxnad
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o0truthwillprevail0o 9 months ago
@foxnad HINAYUKAP NA TO ANG TIGAS NG TAE MONG PARANG OVALTIN ANG KULAY, SABI NA NGANG HINDI TUTUO YANG MGA PINAGSASABI MO EH........ MALUWAG NA YATA TALGA TURNILYO MO?? PAG KUMPARAHIN MO NGA RELIGION MO SAMIN??? MAG INGAT KA KASI PAG GANYANG KA MATUTUTUNG KA SA IMPIERNO GAGO, MASAMANG MANIRA NG KAPWA!!!!! HINDI MO NAPATUNAYAN MISMO SA SARLI MO
foxnad 9 months ago
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gago mo di alam ang pinag sasabi gago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tarantado.......... kawawa ka namn, ligaw!!!!!! walang DIOS silay nangapahamak! walang nag gumawa ng mabuti!!!! nako pakiramdaman mo sarili mo baka isa ka sa tinutukoy!~
foxnad 9 months ago
@Elisubotitidaniel TARANTADONG ITO HINAMON ANG MAG TANGANG NG LUCAS 21:15, GAGO KUMAIN MUNA KAU NG ASUKAL NG MAY MAKAIN UTAK NYO, PAGKATAPOS MONG MAG SHABO AT MAG BISYO MAG TRITRP KANANAMN D2 SA HAHAHAHAH, GAGO NALNG MANINIWALA SAU HAHAHAHAHAHA
foxnad 9 months ago
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foxnad 9 months ago
@Elisubotitidaniel HINDI NMN GAGO MGA TAO PARA MANIWALA SAU HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA ADIK!!!
foxnad 9 months ago
@Elisubotitidaniel HEHEHEH BUHAY KA PA RING DEMONYO KA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ANG KULIT KULIT MO PARINM, SARAP SARAP MONG KURUTIN.....KAWAWA KA NAMAN PARA KANG BADING!!!!!!
foxnad 9 months ago
@Elisubotitidaniel HAMONIN MO MUKHA MO HAHAHAAHHAHA!!!!!!!! NAGMAMAGALING KA PANG KUPAL KA!!!!!!!
foxnad 9 months ago
@Elisubotitidaniel pangalan mo palang demonyong demonyo ka na eh. ikaw ang kay satanas, tukmol. may nalalaman a pang consensus consensus. anlayo ng reasoning mo.napakadefamatory pa ng mga pananalita mo. ikaw talaga ang gago. pasalamat ka ngayon lang kita nasagot. wala na kasi ako masyado time makipagsagutan sa mga gagong kagaya mo!
dapat sa yo matuto ka makipagusap ng maayos. masyado kang halata na demonyong demonyo ka talaga. magtrain kang maige kay taning n
ditapak 3 months ago
@ditapak what would you expect sa mga taong ganyan na BINULAG na ni Satanas!!!
barneygurl08 2 months ago
@eliseabaklito tanga.. san mo nnman nahagilap yan. hahahaha.
yhanz1123 10 months ago
@yhanz1123 @baklito! hinayupak nato and2 ka nanaman nagkakalat ng lagim, wag nyo itong paniwalaan malamang lamang itong taong ito tiwalag samin ito sa ADD, kaya wala nang magawang mabuti ito
foxnad 9 months ago
@Alcazar0227 ewan ko sayo.. basta ang alam ko dati akong bulag ngayon nakakakita na ako.. kahit anu pa sabihin nyo kesyo nangrape sya, kesyo magnanakaw sya, kahit lahat na ng kasamaan ibintang nyo kay bro eli, isa lang ang alam ko, "wala sa masasama na makakaunawa".. AMEN!
yhanz1123 10 months ago
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@yhanz1123 MGA ADD HINAHAMON KO KAYO SA NGALAN NG SATANAS AT BAKLA NYONG SUGO NA ELISEA "BAKLITA" SORIANO NA MAGLABAS KAYO NA MAS LULUMA PA SA "Oxyrhynchus Papyri" NA KOPYA NG REVELATION NA 666 ANG TUNAY NA NUMBER NG BEAST AT HINDI 616. DAHIL AYON MISMO SA CONSENSUS NG MGA SCHOLARS NA ANG TAMANG SALIN AY 616! KAYA KAYONG MGA HINAYUPAK NA ADD AY KAMPON AT TAGAPAGMANA NI SATANAS PATI KURIKONG NI SATANAS INYONG PAG-AARI! MGA GAGO!
Elisubotitidaniel 10 months ago
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@yhanz1123 MGA ADD HINAHAMON KO KAYO SA NGALAN NG SATANAS AT BAKLA NYONG SUGO NA ELISEA "BAKLITA" SORIANO NA MAGLABAS KAYO NA MAS LULUMA PA SA "Oxyrhynchus Papyri" NA KOPYA NG REVELATION NA 666 ANG TUNAY NA NUMBER NG BEAST AT HINDI 616. DAHIL AYON MISMO SA CONSENSUS NG MGA SCHOLARS NA ANG TAMANG SALIN AY 616! KAYA KAYONG MGA HINAYUPAK NA ADD AY KAMPON AT TAGAPAGMANA NI SATANAS PATI KURIKONG NI SATANAS INYONG PAG-AARI! MGA GAGO!
Elisubotitidaniel 10 months ago
@yhanz1123 The International Police was after Eli Soriano for several years for Male Rape, Libel and Extortion, that's why he could not return to the Philippines.
Do not be deceived.
Soriano uses the bible but if you look into his preaching very closely, a lot of them are interpreted in a very unchristian, deceitful and unbiblical way.
MissEliSoriano 8 months ago
Respond to this video... Eli Soriano is a dangerous homosexual cult leader based in the Philippines....BEWARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
MissEliSoriano 8 months ago
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Eli Soriano is a wanted criminal by the International Police (INTERPOL) for MALE RAPE, MONEY LAUNDERING, LIBEL and several other sexual and criminal activities in the Philippines.
He reads the bible alright but upon closer scrutiny his preaching are misguided, mis-interpreted and deceitful.
Soriano is a very dangerous religious cult leader who uses the name of God and of religion for his business.
DO NOT be deceived by this FALSE PREACHER !!!
EliHomosexualSoriano 8 months ago
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Eli Soriano is a wanted criminal by the International Police (INTERPOL) for MALE RAPE, MONEY LAUNDERING, LIBEL and several other sexual and criminal activities in the Philippines.
He reads the bible alright but upon closer scrutiny his preaching are misguided, mis-interpreted and deceitful.
Soriano is a very dangerous religious cult leader who uses the name of God and of religion for his business.
DO NOT be deceived.
MissEliSoriano 7 months ago
@yhanz1123 ewan ko rin sayo basta alam ko bulag sa katotohanan nabulag ka ng isang bulaang propeta...
pintet25 6 months ago
bakit ba tong mga naninira kay bro eli ay nagcocoment pa dito sa youtube? panonoorin ang video ni bro eli pagkatapos maninira.. bakit di nlang sila matulog., lol.
kung maninira lang din kayo wag na ninyo panoorin si bro eli dito sa youtube! siguro kaya nyo sya pinapanood dahil bilib kayo sa knya! kase ung puno nyo hindi magawa ang ginagawa nya! diba?
yhanz1123 10 months ago
1 Peter 2:1-3 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby,[a]
if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
elmansays 10 months ago
Hebrews 5:14 NKJV
But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
2 Timothy 4:2 NKJV
Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
elmansays 10 months ago
Jude 1:10 NKJV
But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.
elmansays 10 months ago
Job 21 (New King James Version) 2 “Listen carefully to my speech, And let this be your consolation. 3 Bear with me that I may speak, And after I have spoken, keep mocking.
elmansays 10 months ago
I watched Mr Howard states his confusion as he sticks to his belief, his thoughts about genealogy in Matt and Luke, even rudely interrupts Bro Eli every now and then, tending to side with Mr Grady's belief. But despite of the limited time and Dr Grady's allegations, Bro. Eli shown the truth about the time of creation of earth, humanity, death, and change of diet of some animals from the start of creation consistent with the prophecy in Isaiah 11:6 and the verses they used including Gen 9:3
elmansays 11 months ago
@Alcazar0227 naiintindihan mo kya yang jonh 3:16 nayan???
yethbo100 11 months ago
ako rin hindi eh
wenskie54321 11 months ago
hindi ko ganong naintindihan tanong iniiyakan ako ng kapatid ko...
utteringdarknes 1 year ago
@Alcazar0227 tama yung nasa bersikolo, pero yung intindi mo iba ang kahulugan...hindi sa tama ang tinatalakay mo kundi yung mali ang sya mong tinatama, ang hilig lng namin ay mag banalan at mangatwiran...
productionLioneDea 1 year ago
Me mga tao nagbabasa ng Biblia hindi upang kainin ito kung hindi upang iluwa ito. Hinihimay himay niya ito upang humanap ng baluktot na idea para pagtalunan? Maginagat sa mga ganitong tao.... punahin ang mga sumusunod: Paggamit ng malalaking letra, pangugutya, pagmumura, pagalipusta, pang iinsulto, pag gamit ng mga verses sa Biblia na siya lamang ang nagbigay kahulugan.... iyan ang tatak ng kampon ng kadiliman?
philip2go 1 year ago
@Alcazar0227 ingatan mo naman ang pag gamit ng mga salita.... daig mo pa kasi ang walang pinagaralan?
Tuloy gustuhin ko man basahin mga sinulat mo hindi ko na tinapos.... masyadong nabastusan ako?
philip2go 1 year ago
@Alcazar0227 Makatuwiran lang naman maging Choosy ah... Job 34:4... Alin ang pipiliin mo: 1) Huwag gumanti ng masama sa masama o 2) Ang pumatay at mamatay dahil sa sugo ligtas... Choose ka nga, Tol..
o kaya naman, Maniwala sa talagang kapanipaniwala, o Maniwala sa wala, ulol ang iyong kamukha.
"Idol ko kayo eh" tarantado ka nga lang? ano 'to? hindi ba garapal na mas tarantado labas mo dito? Yung inaakala mo na tarantado, eh, iniidolo mo... Edi, talagang tarantado ka nga, ayon din sa salita mo.
ian51002 1 year ago
The host of the show and Dr Grady is trying to convince the Viewers that all men are vegetarians before Noah's Flood. Abel's job was a shepperd, I dont think he only benefited from sheep skin and milk of its flock but of its meat as well, as Food. In the Bible Abel burn his offerings to God its firstborns and of its fats. Which means to say that the rest of the flock is for them to enjoy, not throw away its meat because they are "Vegetarians"
jeprox1465 1 year ago
I cant post comments on TheolgianZ channel.I'm trying to put the sites where people can get info on what kind of person is Dr.Grady McMurtry.I find him so arrogant.It seems that this is a TWO ON ONE debate for Howard is a former Jehovas Witness whom believed that the world is only 6,000yrsofage.I'm glad he invitedBro.Eli to speak in his channel but his intentions were unclear.Looks like they're up to humiliate him becoz evyrtime he tries to answer Grady theres Howard raising diff topic
alvinbernadette 1 year ago
@alvinbernadette ibig sabihin niloluto na pala ang ulam " Set-up" pala ang nayari,,,nagpapatunay kelangan pala ng sabwatan para kalabanin ang punong tagapangasiwa...,parang nababasa ko dito sa youtube na nadebate ng isang Islam preacher si Dr .Grady at natalo si Dr. Grady...
productionLioneDea 1 year ago
try to search for Dr.Grady on Gordon's Blog(ecalpemos)In his defence (this section added 27/01/2008)I have been emailed by someone who says:"Dr Mcmurtry actually graduated first in his class at University and is a member of Mensa. DD is a proper doctorate awarded to him."
alvinbernadette 1 year ago
This all appears to be correct and I am happy to add it to this article for balance, while at the same time pointing out that being generally clever does not make you an expert on geology or evolutionary biology. His doctorate is an honorary one and its in theology, not in a scientific subject. I am not denigrating him as a person, just asking logical questions about his real scientific expertise.
alvinbernadette 1 year ago
Dr Grady McMurtry - What are his qualifications and scientific expertise? Given his high profile in the UK on Revelation TV recently and his novel ideas on genetics, global warming and plate tectonics I thought I would check out his qualifications and record of scientific research in these areas.
alvinbernadette 1 year ago
He is usually addressed on his TV appearances as "Dr Grady" and there is great deference to his qualifications: the implication being that he knows better than the viewers. In fact, although he has a general science education it appears to be in agricultural related subjects and his Doctorate is in theology, not science, and is not from a recognised university of any standing.
alvinbernadette 1 year ago
advocators of the Young Earth forgot the rebellion of Lucifer.when is that happen?? In Gen chapter 3 the serpent was already there.Notice the phrase "and the earth was without form and void" in Gen 1:2.This phrase is used to illustrate destruction and chaos as used in the other books of the Bible.it will contradict Gen 1:1 That says In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.Will God create an Earth in the state of Chaos?What is Gen 1:2 means? pls study history of satan,
jeffersonisidro 1 year ago
bro Eli tells the truth!what ever it is!
edmenow 1 year ago
theres something missing on this discussion....as it always happens here in his programs recently...
BADMOUTHING!!!!
egol19 1 year ago
feeling matalino kase....kaya gustong gusto nya ng online debate... pero kahit online debate nayan walaparin syang panalo!
egol19 1 year ago
Biased moderator, fake scientist with voluminous knowledge on fake facts,defective reasoning from the moderator AKA Col. Sanders... and yet...
you got owned. damn. you should change the channel's name to OWNED TV
olracorig 1 year ago
For me this was a set up.The arbiter is biased.He deceitfully tried to manipulate the show especially how he control Bro. Eli in his discussion ,Often times he cut him on air even Bro. Eli is expounding on a given point of discussion.I noticed Bro. Eli just slum his back against his chair in great disgust .I wonder what kind of revelation your tv program is up to?
gabrieljerryelias 1 year ago
@Caicen In this situation the only thing that we could put under the test of truth is our own beliefs. that is why i keep on insisting to you to bring out what you have and I'll try all my best with our God's help to explain our side. Granting that anybody could put shit on anybody, like what your doing to Bro. Eli, so now tell to me what is righ?, what is not shit?what is clean? what is your belief? Let's have a friendly discussion of our faiths. there's nothing to be afraid of ...
ditapak 1 year ago 5
@Caicen that is why i'm asking you to show me your faith and belief. That's the only thing you can use in this discussion. To disagree on my faith show me your faith not this nonsense reasonings on going to other religions. It's already given that muslims could say that the Bible is wrong while Christians could say that other books are wrong. Let's accept that fact. But after that we should prove our statements. We should put it under the test of truth.
ditapak 1 year ago 2
@Caicen in a debate before you stand on one thing or use a thing against others you should agree on it first and believe on it first. While you are using others faith to disagree or redicule Bro. Eli's preachings. That's a lot of nonsense indeed. You cannot judge on a thing you agree with and on the other hand you cannot agree with things you judge wrong. Even on mans courts before you show an evidence or witness you should believe on it...
ditapak 1 year ago 2
@Caicen i'm not accusing the koran. I know that jihad is a moslem faith base on koran. I'm asking you where in the Bible did God teach killings? You might question why He kills, it's His right. He is the life giver and He can take it back. But for people to kill others and practice terrorism is against the teachings of Lord JesusChrist. I say your reasoning is nonsense and stupid cause your standing on others faith and belief to which i know you don't believe in also. That's stupidity.
ditapak 1 year ago
@Caicen what an evil heart you have. What wrong has Bro Eli done to you for you to redicule him. If you know what is absurd then you must know what is not. Maybe your belief is not absurd or rediculous but why are you so afraid to put it on test. Your the one who's always diverting the topic. You don't have the right to quote the muslims and other religions just to redicule somebody. not showing what you believe in is cowardness to put it into test. then stop rediculing others.
ditapak 1 year ago 2
@Caicen maybe it's better you tell us what you believe in and we'll talk about it. If you're so good!! dont go on muslims, dont go on other christian groups, hindus, buddhists and on contesting their books against the Bible. Let us talk about your faith as against my faith which is in the Bible. Isn't that better. what do you believe in?? flying spaghetti monster?? or are you an atheist? i'm challenging your goodness.
ditapak 1 year ago
@ditapak You are trying to divert the topic. What would it benefit you if i'd tell you about what I believe in. This is a comment board for revelation tv. I'm here not to discuss what I believe in, I'm here to ridicule the absurd of Eli's so called knowledge in science and bible. Haven't you've seen my arguments, do I argue about my belief? I'm here to show how illogical and unsound you're so called meticulous preacher. Why go beyond that topic. If you want to engage atheist go to their forum.
Caicen 1 year ago
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@Caicen so i see you really ridicule all the commentaries of Bro. Eli on this channel. who are you here a guard that keeps blocking Bro. Eli's Fans? Ooh, how i see how rude you are to the others ehh, well you're bad!!!!!! well then contrary to that i will expose then to others the trash belief of your ☻Cult Religion☻!!!! you're a little bit hard to others ehh, you Fucking idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥L☺ng Live Br☺. Eli♥♥♥♥♥♥!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
benedict521 1 year ago