Don't visit Bodies: The Exhibition

[LusciousApril]

I went to bodies when it came to my city, I thought it was very good, i stoped smoking when i seen the black lungs, bodies was a great place to go to learn about the human body.

[azneck1]

Uh, do ANY of us really have control of our remains? I have to be honest, who cares what's done with my body after I croak? I'm not gonna be around to care.

[pncohen]

If you find it disgusting don't go! Don't spread your ignorance. These bodies were unclaimed, meaning no one took care of them when they were dying and the Gov't has to do something with them. Would you rather they just cremate them? Or would you rather your "hard earned cash" go towards their ridiculously expensive burial? At least this way they are making other people's lives better. THEY WERE NOT EXECUTED PRISONERS. It is to help educate people on what is going on in their own bodies.

[Lindajo1955]

This guy talking needs to stfu, if he doesnt like it...dont go see it, These people donated their bodies for this...so give it a rest already.

[sirvegeta]

I'm headed out today to see the opening of this exhibit in my town. AWESOME EXHIBIT, AND HATERS WILL HATE! QQ SUM MOAR, HAHAHAHA.

[grettagrids]

my freind brought over the book on it and I had gross nightmares. NO thanks. I would NOT wanna be displayed myself. I want to be cremated and spread out.

[ColorGuardGirl17]

i think its a great thing to donate you body. you can learn form it. AND HOW DO YOU THINK DOCTORS LEARN HOE TO PREFORM SURGERY, ON A LIVING PERSON. THEY USE DEAD PEOPLE.

[ColorGuardGirl17]

My think it is a great way to show us and teach us about our bodies. Our bodies are just empty shell left behind when we die. All they are going to do is rot in the ground or be burned to ashes so why not teach others about how our work with our bodies? The bodies are donated to science to help them with research. you don't know if by donating your body they find a cure for something. HOW DO YOU THINK PEOPLE LEARN TO DO SURGERY? A LIVING PERSON NO THEY USE DEAD PEOPLE!

[taylormadediva2009]

You are an idiot...i have been to that exhibit two times and think it's the MOST fascinating thing i have ever seen...it's very interesting to learn what is inside the human body...these people knew exactly what they were signing up for...if you don't like it, the YOU don't go see it...you are not knowledgeable about what this exhibit is even about...you should learn something before you run your mouth about it.

[MrSuperhomarbros]

so their like hey look! we got like alot of dead people bodies

random guy: OH! GOOD we can make and open an exhibition!!!

and then *bodies* was born T-T

[travisklein11]

Good message Howard. Why does it sound like its raining?

[TheFKnKrew]

yeah but these people donated theyre bodys its not like they just picked them randomly.

[kl464411]

Honestly, grow up and get with the times. Science is truly taking over this world. Religion is a dying breed and science is taking over. The quicker you realise this, the better off you will be. 

[shockerfilms]

close minded fool

[ibanez5501]

you convinced me, I'm going! I didnt know they were real excecuted china men!

[teenmike5]

People want to donate their bodies to science and they have all the rights to do so, either for others to learn more about the human body, or for scientists to study people's bodies.

[mudnerd]

i went. i saw. if they had more bodies, i would go again. if it turned out that the bodies were executed criminals, i could live with that. there is a museum in hollywood where i saw the head of henri landru. man, would i like to have that head. so, if you're morally opposed to the thing, don't go to it. i'm not and i highly recommend the show.

[wintercoolhi]

@Concupiskendia

how do you compare humans to animals.... I love animals... but you just can't compare those two...

[SheWhoSavesThEarth]

man,this is some morbid shit! the purest example of crapitalist exploitation! its the SOYLENT GREENing of the amerikan plantation! this makes that guy who put the finger in the bowl of wendy's chili seem sane!

man u got rabbis selling harvested palestinian organs in new jersey and police murdered citizens whose hearts go missing in highland hospital,oakland calf.

WTF!!?@#@

yet another reason to be against the death penalty!!!

CRAPITALISM produces prophets of death. profits of misery!

[kmcl11]

@SheWhoSavesThEarth agreed..its all about money here...that is why the Us has so much more debt than citizens of other nations.But this vid is about the exhibit. I agree with the exhibit, even though it goes against the rights of the individual who had no choice in this.

[MrBribri11]

I agree.. God surley is looking down on us now thinking what have they done now.

This mush be a all time low in the morality

of mankind...God help us all..

[Creepydorky]

seems that your opinion is based in some religious or "moral" opinions. People have been "morbid" for centuries, so to say society has changed is ridiculous. Look back on history.. The exhibit is educational. I certainly had utmost respect for the specimen in this exhibit. And not one person in this exhibit seemed to lack that same respect. One thing we have in common, is our vitality. It is NOT WRONG to cherish our vitality and bond over learning about the wonder that is the human body.

[MrBribri11]

Creepydorky one can only hope that when you die someone would ,strip you naked ,stick a metal rod up your ass ,and put you on public display........

[JustinTR1990]

If you did something bad enough to get you executed, you don't deserve respect.

[MrBribri11]

creeps reply .....dido for you.

[JustinTR1990]

Its for education. Like I said. If you were put on DEATH ROW for doing something worthy of putting you on DEATH ROWE you don't deserve a say in the matter. There are other bodies displays that host bodies of people that actually give consent. And you know what? I dont care if someone sticks a metal pole in my ass when I die and puts me on display. you know why? ILL BE FUCKING DEAD!

[ForTrueHealth]

The problem is alot of these people dont deserve to be on death row, do some research.

I do agree with being dead and not caring, but that doesnt mean whats happening is right. people doing horrible things to other are turning a profit and anyone going to see this is writing the check. These people also illegally sell diseased organs to american companies which in turn use them for transplants unknowlingly to the reciever, under the guise of a responsable company

[pika23]

wow...I did not know about the exploitation. I thought it was people who chose to leave their bodies to science...wow...I was looking for videos on this exhibit since I planned to attend during a college sponsored field trip.

i noticed that they looked decidedly Asian now that you mention it.

I feel however, if it is a choice by the deceased and the family, then it is fine. But not if these people haven't consented. That's wrong.

[arch12341]

hey dude, we respect your point of view and you respect the others i guess, wheather you want to see or not see the exhibit of human bodies is up to each individiual... what you think?

[cortegosopablo]

"If you want to learn anatomy, get an anatomy text"

Oh, well have you ever wondered why med students have to do human dissection? Books can't explain everything.

And more, apart from students, that's a way to make people know something they normally couldn't.

Go and see in labs with animals: you'd see things you can't even imagine, if you judge this "a shocking exhibition"

[HowardFair]

Calling my arguments "politically correct" makes me disinclined to argue with you, or even to talk about what we have in common. I think calling people names like "Politically correct" puts you over the edge of a new version of Godwin's law. Peace out

[HowardFair]

Gracias, Tonito. Yes, these people get to be immortalized. My point is that this should only happen to them if they want it that way. And yes, BtE is not as bad as war. Do you mean to say that something has to be as bad as war for someone to object to it?

[Hotelrockandroll]

yankis hipocritas ,ahora salen a hablar de moral y respeto con los muertos? hijos de puta no tienen jeta.

[HowardFair]

Yes, the US government has done bad things, Hotel, I do agree with you. You could make the point that I should concentrate on US war crimes, or some other real or perceived action of the USA Even so, it's not hypocritical for me to object to something a corporation is doing outside the US. It would be hypocritical if I were objecting to this and then attending the show!

Are you saying that because I live in the USA I don't have the right to a conscience?

[juanbosco31]

@Hotelrockandroll ....usted es un cobarde.......escribe en español e insulta sin ton ni son....

[missgooden1]

they skin animals why not skin each other

[HowardFair]

Go ahead and read some poetry, Concuposkendia. I don't make time to do that enough myself. As for the crying, you can't fool me--you are a human being and I don't think you want to be a robot or Mr. Spock.

[aczblaze]

This guys a puSSY grow a pair fagot

[HowardFair]

ACZ, it's OK to be mad at me, but the person you've really got a justifiable grudge against is your English teacher.

[10icers]

agreed dude its sick

[StayStupid4Christ]

so You dont know any facts about this whatsoever? you got it into your head that these bodies of people were tortured and indigent? you find it repulsive? who cares? death doesnt. you can make up any back stories you want. I'll make one up right here. Every person on display was told (while they were alive) and consented to it.

just because you get the creeps doesnt mean it isnt dignified. Im sure the greatest thing many of these people ever did,they are doing now by teaching us.

[10icers]

did u not watch...some were not agreeing to it they were unclamed people!!!!!!!!

[HowardFair]

You are just saying my own point but in a different way, StayStupid: One can, indeed, make up any story. The people making money from this exhibit want us to make up one we are comfortable with. My point is that among the stories there is a truth, and it is the responsibility of the exhibitor to provide proof of that reality, namely that the people did consent.

[watcher2253]

@StayStupid4Christ what exactly are you learning from this exhibit?And whats dignifying about playing chess with your brain exposed?Yes ive seen clips of this exhibit and they left me with an off feeling.Its great to study death and learn from it but this exhibition does with it with such an air of disrespect and callousness. were supposedly an intelligent and enlightend species but some animals revere their dead more than this.

[saltfan2]

I dont ee the moral issue here. yes they are dead. but they are willingly all the way. and wen it comes to respect, they are onored to partisipate in knowlegde and sciense. I mean were is the suffering? I thoght maybe you got sume proff that pore people was exploitet ore something, but u dont got shit. Your only argument is that you are afraid of blood. and thats the only message you see.

[HowardFair]

Saltfan, my point is that the burden of proof is on the exhibitor to provide records that the subjects consented to this, not on anyone else to prove that they didn't. To prove that they didn't would be to produce a will that stated that they never wanted something like this to happen. Political prisoners, the indigent and lost don't usually have a lawyer around to concoct such a document. 

I'm not afraid of blood; I'm afraid of people being dehumanized.

[saltfan2]

I'm afraid of people being dehumanized...

Shure me to. but then we are on a diferent page. The museum promots that these people were wilingly to partisipate. The reason that many prisoners were partisiating cold be many. Eks they were yong fit and healthy when they died so derfore they asked in advanse. If it is about peoples rights being manipulated due to inprisonment and powerty, the problem is in a nother page.

[saltfan2]

Then it is about trusting your own system and democrasy wich is a far more serius mater than a controversal sciense musem. My point is that u jugde it based on litle information wich in my oinion is thin and vage.

[PrancingCornmuffins]

Tell me something, whats worse;

Abortion, or someone DONATING their body to science knowing fully well that they could be helping those that are living how to take care of themselves, or hell; could even provide answers to diseases or other things.

[bnhalford]

my apologies...an emotive spur of the moment comment on the video content....no offence meant.

[bnhalford]

it's educational you idiot!...why dont you leave your little brain to research ????

[ddbbrraa]

if you actually read the comment you will see clearly that i fully support this exhibition. I was commenting on the arguments its raising and how fantastic they are.

and for the record I have donated my whole body to science.

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching bnhalford:

1) I do understand that this exhibit could have some educational value, even though I find it personally distasteful. That's not the point I'm talking about though. The problem is that there is no guarantee of consent from subjects.

2) I might just.  As I said in the video I think it's fine for people to do this in the context of medical or scientific professionalism.

[ddbbrraa]

i am facsinated by the questions these exhibits are raising in western cultured people, so many opinions and so little actual fact,death itself and death rituals are among the most complicated and varied subjects in modern thought as well as body sybolism and meaning. Whatever your feelings on the subject, the fresh revolutionary debate is leading to a rethinking of models that were previously enshrined for no other reason that there WAS no reason to think another way because it was all we knew

[HowardFair]

Holy crap, ddbbrraa... I'm gobsmacked. Of all the humble videos I've made this is the one that has caused the most comments and yours is the VERY FIRST ONE that has said something really interesting!

[ddbbrraa]

im honored why thank you!

[blucas6]

Whoa! Look at that hippy! He was smoking ganja in his cramp and dark cave when all the sudden he wanted to share with us his enlightment about how BODIES is immoral. GANJAAAAAAAA.

I worked at bodies for 4 months Mr. Hippy. Sure, most of the deceased didnt give consent. Next time you need a severe medical operation, dont go to a doctor since he trained on real dead bodies. Just smoke some more GANJAAAAA and you'll overcome your problems naturally. And if not, just go die in a cave.

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching blucas. I admit it does look like I'm in a cave, but I'm not anti technology.  As for marijuana, I never developed a taste for it... it's you who seem obsessed with it...

As for training doctors I mentioned that--fine by me if the people donating their bodies are happy with it

Enjoy your next smoke

[blucas6]

You hippies are so stupid. Who made a GANJA smoking hippie the authority on what is moral and immoral. Did you even watch your own video before posting? You think using cadavers to educate medical students is beautiful, yet using cadavers to educate the public is unethical? You say it is not right to have bodies on display, even if the person signs a waiver before he/she dies? Shooting a basketball or throwing a baseball is a normal body position, not an awkward one. Get off the GANJAAAA

[HowardFair]

Sorry to be unclear, Blucas, but I made a couple of different points that are separate. Using cadavers to educate the public is not unethical, but using subjects without consent is. Secondly, I think this is an unseemly spectacle that could numb people to the humanity of the subjects. It's morally repugnant to me, even if it were legal and ethical.

Lastly, I'm not setting myself up as an authority any more than you. You seem to be an authority on hippies and pot. Your parents, perhaps?

[blucas6]

Well, I couldnt understand all your hippie babble in the video, so correct me if Im wrong. You didnt see the exhibition, and I worked there and spoke with hundreds of customer on each day that I worked. You are wrong hippie, and I am right. Go smoke some more GANJA and quit living in your mothers cave.

[Nes232]

I believe that morals are fictional and ethical values to, but I don't believe in people profiting off of some dead Chinese person. Most of the people that visit the exhebition are ignorant, stupid, and just go for the wow factor. What educational purpose does it serve to place a body in an action pose, taking a shit.

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching Lideonzins. I agree--nothing matters to the dead. What matters is that we, as a society, respect of living people. People should have a right to say what happens to their remains. This is a custom of varying importance in different cultures, but has meaning to almost anyone. Even if you don't mind being exhibited, you must know that some people wouldn't want that for them or their loved ones, especially without consent.

There is no proof of consent from the exhibitor.

[Lildemonzins]

This Hippy is a moron! Once you are dead it does not matter. The show is educational.

[Nes232]

Well, donate your body if it doesn't matter. Is not educational. If the person would have consented to donated their body and was put to rot in a fish tank to see the effects for educational purposes I wouldn't care. But we are talking about people who died and didn't prob want to be paraded around after death. And yes when you die you cease to exist. *blank*

[gitfiddle07]

I am going to this exhibit soon. I see this as no different than visiting a history museum. Do you think the owners of the items on display (in a museum) signed a consent form to have their bodies and personal items on display? Ancient Egyption and Native American artifacts and bodies are shown constantly. My view is that once you are gone you no longer have ownership of anything on earth. To be honest, in my opinion, we have no ownership of anything on earth when we are alive either. : )

[conte744]

i respect your point of view, but to have a better understanding of it, I have to visit the exhibition or I can blindly accept your saying? what do you prefer?

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching, Conte744. I don't think the content of this exhibit is the worst problem, although I find it repulsive. I respect other people's right to see it--I believe strongly in freedom of speech. What I don't agree with most strongly is that there is no proof of consent from the subjects, which is why I asked people to joint the boycott of the exhibit.

[MaddamMoi]

I would be honored, if my body could make people learn more about ourselfs!

[HowardFair]

Glad you feel that way MaddamMoi. That's fine by me. The problem is that there is no proof that the people displayed in this spectacle (or their families) felt as you do.

[MaddamMoi]

i learned so much from the exhibit! a book could not get my interrest like the exhibit.

stop wining...

[blucas6]

what is this hippy talking about>

[Nes232]

Donate your body, then I'll like the show.

[GBart]

Theyre dead. They cant possibly care where their no-longer-used physical forms are.

"brief look through the Internet"

First of all, why on earth would the Chinese give them prisoners, for the whole world to see? Their morgues are flooded with unclaimed bodies. What would you do with them?

Secondly, BTE has a medical staff that inspects them for trauma. Most of them are dead from cancer. You can even see their cancers!

Nothing "controversial" can be understood with a brief glance at the web

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching GBart

1 My point is not that the dead care (I agree they don't) but that Chinese people have widely stated that this practice is abhorrent to them.

2 I make no claim to exhaustive knowledge. My point is that there is no proof from the company that the bodies are freely donated

3 and the burden of proof is on the exhibitor

4 This is not a complicated issue to me. Proof from exhibitor that the bodes are freely donated would change my mind. It is not forthcoming.

[enlighteningtheworld]

I disagree with the speaker.. I think it is time humanity faces the reality about ourselves and death, and the amazing body and life that we have been given. Once we end war over religious belief we may next learn the biological clock and live longer lives on earth with our loved ones.. but we have to appreciate life first. To do so this exhibition puts an end to theory of heaven or hell for the human being/personality after death. Death is the price we all pay while we forget this truth.

[enlighteningtheworld]

rather than spend your time inquiring about dead bodies, donate to charity or animals..

[HowardFair]

My point isn't about religion versus atheism, enlighteningtheworld, but that we should have consent from people who's bodies are used in exhibits like this. There is no such proof at this point from "Bodies, the Exhibition."

Thanks for watching.

[Lindajo1955]

@enlighteningtheworld "this exhibition puts an end to theory of heaven or hell for the human being/personality after death". And just how does it to that, what a stupid thing to say.

[watcher2253]

@enlighteningtheworld how is showing a cadaver playing soccer giving us any illumination about death,the human body,or lengthening our lives?

[GingleGangle1]

These exhibitions may have very bad influence on some individs.

[enlighteningtheworld]

and the bible that teaches death is life if you believe in religion is a better influence?

[thepatient08]

Most of the bodies in certain exihibits are executed chinese prisoners.

[doctortwyla]

i agree it's the first thing i thought of when i saw they were real cadavars.

[cakesniffingbum]

it really was the COOLEST thing that i've ever seen. i was in new york city last week, and i saw it. amzaing.

[Juliete83]

I totally think that is the most amazing thing I ever seem and those bodies are donated or nn I think this exposition is very educational I will go again , hey i don't mind to be part of it when I die ..

[ehavenpimp]

oh please shut the fuck up, the exhibition was one of the most fascinating things ice ever seen. who doesnt want to see how theyre body is made up of, so get outta here you asshole.

[HowardFair]

I'm not saying it's not fascinating, pimp. I'm saying that it's immoral to exploit people, even when they're dead.

[JUANREVI]

nobody is exploited here, what are you talking about? you think the earth is a cube or a plane also? what you are saiyng its totaly subjective....you don´t like it, thats all...so? the bodies are donated. I´m learning human anatomy and this exibition its THE WAY FOR LEARNING. you should recognize your error here, you are something else.

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching, Juanrevi.

Yes, social mores are subjective--things that are acceptable in one society are taboo in another.

My point is that using the bodies of people for _anything_ is against the standards of our civilization. It is in China, where the bodies for this exhibit come from. The exhibitors must be able to prove that the bodies come from consenting people. At this point, their stance is that there's no problem because we can't prove the subjects didn't consent.

[flappingscapular]

One indicator of a civilized society is how it treats its dead. It is a shame that the value of life has dropped so low.

[bonkey666]

how bout let's all shut up...dead bodies...that's how advances in medical science have been made...by studying the anatomical makeup of the human body...I can guarantee you that each and every person who has posted some dumb comment on here has been aided by some kind of medical/surgical procedure that came about from studying human bodies...it's an educational exhibit...I saw it 2 years ago in Florida with my sister...it was awesome...watch the 2000 movie ANATOMIE starring Franke Potente

[HowardFair]

Agreed that we all benefit from medical professionals who are trained using cadavers, Bonkey.

I don't agree that this exhibit is about studying the human body to advance medicine or train medical practitioners. I think it's entertainment, not education, and that it comes at too high a price, namely letting go of a respect for people's rights to determine what happens to their remains. Lowering such standards in our society will eventually hurt us all.

[GershonH]

Proof Please Sir !!!! So only medical students should have access to this ????????

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching, GershonH. Both of your points are worthwhile arguments, but I contend both are wrong:

1) The burden of proof that the bodies come from consenting people should be on the exhibitor. The alternative opens the door to crimes against humanity. This exhibitor cannot provide this proof.

2) Medical students, at least in theory, are handling and viewing cadavers within the framework of professional ethics. This is a circus sideshow, and is qualitatively different.

[wettonfan]

It is for learning purposes.

[x0xgabi13x0x]

they donate their bodies!

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching, but that's not proven, gabi13... I think that there should be documentation that a person has willingly donated their body. It's not enough that there be no evidence that they didn't!

[Axelgear2006]

So... How does medical dissection pay homage or respect to someone who's gone?

[HowardFair]

I think that if a person donated their body to help train doctors that's a fine thing. Taking people's bodies without their consent just so the public can gawk at them is a different thing which I think is distasteful.

[XxXjnerxX]

i don't know about it but i went to see it and i though of it as very informative and not as art and most people say. + it helped with my health paper XD

[thrufaithalone]

I very much appreciate your post; these displays are not for the purpose of "science", but "art" - and anyone acquainted with history would see the dangers of allowing this to continue.

[HowardFair]

Thanks for your comment, thrufaith.

[buku1987]

Fuck that! that shit was amazing unlike ur ugly face .....You wish people would pay attention to your fat body, as much as they do to these dead peoples.Face it your fat and they didn't want your fat ass donated huh?

[HowardFair]

Wow, Buku1987! There are people in this world who would pay a lot for psychoanalysis like that. People in my office really loved your comment, especially that it was left later than the  "your GAY!!!" comment as if it were an explanation of that initial outburst.

[buku1987]

your GAY!!!

[HowardFair]

My gay what, Buku1987? Oh... you're using "GAY" as an insult and you mean "you're gay."

[jayl2k1]

Too late, just visited the Manchester Museum of Science and industry to see 'Body Worlds 4'. I found it extremely interesting and educational. I didn't feel degraded, more privileged by the opportunity to observe the human body in such a well preserved state;a chance that rarely comes by.I think it is important not to let thoughts dwell on the sentimental issues, rather embrace the enhancement of knowledge in understanding the human body. Plastination is a magnificent tool for doing so.

[HowardFair]

Thanks for watching, Jay12k1, but I don't agree that I'm being merely "sentimental." I think it is dangerous to allow dehumanising people to become acceptable, and I think that this is what is happening here. Beyond that, it's an issue of people's rights if the bodies of political prisoners or anyone who has not given consent for this are used.

If you learned something useful from the exhibit that's good, but the ends don't justify the means.

[taffyntrixie]

if you donate your body then that is your buisness.

[HowardFair]

I agree that it is your business if you want to donate your body, taffy. One of the things I have a problem with is that there is no evidence that we are looking at people who made that decision, and a lot of information that points to the exact opposite.

[rommelgmbh]

Brian Ross presented no convincing evidence that the bodies used are of executed prisoners. He only speculated that this could be the case.

In addition, the morality of putting bodies on display should not be mixed with the controversy over where the bodies come from. It introduces people's biases and emotions, and that leads to poor reasoning.

[HowardFair]

Thanks for your reply Rommelgmbh. My rant was in response to the exhibition, not the Brian Ross piece. I stick to my point that it is the responsibility of the exhibitor to provide a paper trail of consent for the bodies.

I agree with your second point about conflating arguments. I did try and separate my talk into two parts for this reason. Still, I would feel less bad about this exhibit if the organizers put some effort into proving that these are the bodies of willing participants.

[maglorsregret]

For example: most cadavers are bodies of the elderly, the preservation process leaves the body very grey, and what you are looking at seems almost alien. On the other hand the bodyworlds specimens are mostly the bodies of young people who, sadly, died prematurely. They are displayed in such a way that much more is distinguishable to the untrained eye, and they are much more "human" in appearance.

[maglorsregret]

Every single specimen at "Bodyworlds" is from a person that wanted their body plastinated for the bodyworlds exhibit. Every one!!!!

I want to reiterate what I said before: Looking at a plastinated body is in some respects better than a cadaver that has been preserved in formaldehyde.

[sa09yx]

The stupid thing is that they won't let people take pictures out of respect for the dead...

[maglorsregret]

As a side point, I watched the 20/20 program this week about "Bodies: The Exhibition" and "Bodyworlds," and I can say that the 2 are very different. Not only are all of the "Bodies" specimens Asian, but the quality of the work is far below "Bodyworlds." The men and women that work on the "Bodyworlds" bodies do far superior work to the 'hacks in a garage' that work on the "Bodies" specimens.

[HowardFair]

Thank you for your comments, Maglorsregret. For my part I have no opinion as to the quality of the work one way or another. My issue is with what I see as the exploitation of people. If there is no paper trail regarding consent for a person's body to be in these exhibitions then the exhibit is severely tainted, in my opinion. It's and ends versus means issue--it doesn't matter how beautiful the end product is if there is no consent from the dead people we're looking at.

[maglorsregret]

I have been to a cadaver dissection (held muscles in my hands) and even that cannot compare to the value of a palastinated specimen in terms of understanding the location and function of skeletal muscles.

In reply to the note you make that we should look at an anatomy book if we want to know about anatomy. All I can do is ask if you can see that 3 dimensions are better that 2 when learning about a thing.

[HowardFair]

Point taken regarding the superiority of a 3-D learning tool to text books, Maglorsregret. I did say that I have no problem with the use of cadavers (Properly donated) for medical research and education. In my opinion that is quite different to this spectacle, which degrades the dead subjects and the viewers alike.

[maglorsregret]

I agree with "Part 2" of your video. "Bodies: The Exhibition" is indeed questionable to say the least, because of the source they use to get their bodies. However, I do not agree with the statements at the beginning of your video about all such exhibits in general.

I saw "Bodyworlds," the original show of this type and I plan on seeing it a second time.

I am a massage therapist and I felt that the specimens truly added to my knowledge of the human body and my growth as a therapist.

[HowardFair]

Thanks for your comment, Chunky. I am surprised to find myself in favor of censoring something--I always come down on the side of the artists when I hear of some exhibit being banned, but this goes over the edge for me.

[ChunkyMunky07]

this is no doubt, a great deal of controversy going on right now about where these bodies came from, and it is very disturbing. all the people who support this exhibition, should think for a minute, "what if that was my father? how would i feel about people going to view his corpse sitting there playing chess?!" yes, i am enraged that this is going on and i cannot believe what our society is "accepting".