Tour de France 1986 : Hinault et LeMond à l'Alpe d'Huez

[MrThecamillone800]

Ricordiamoci bene una cosa:i 7 tour di Armstrong non valgono neanche uno dei tour che ha vinto lemond....Greg ha battuto gente del calibro di Hinault e Fignon, Armstrong ha fatto i numeri solo perchè poteva assumere ormoni per il suo male....Riposa in pace Laurent...

[Irlandes1916]

Saudades desse tempo: Bernard Hinault, Sean Kelly, Stephen Roche, Joop Zoetemelk, Francesco Moser, Greg LeMond, Joaquim Agostinho, Phil Anderson, Giuseppe Saronni...

[johntechwriter]

Dan 32113 that book about the 1986 Tour is EXCELLENT. Author Richard Moore painstakingly interviewed all the riders and team owners/managers involved to come up with a stage by stage accounting of one of te most exciting Tours in history. He concludes that LeMond agreed to give this stage to Hinault in exchange for his help over the rest of the tour. Then, in an interview just a few hours after the stage, Hinault reneged, saying that the tour was "not over."

[auckland37]

He gave Hinault one Tour on team orders. Le Mond was stronger that year. That is hardly a secret. Then the gunshot accident. Le Mond belongs in the elite clubof 5 wins.

[dan32113]

I"ve heard the new book on this Tour slaying the badger is very good...

[frankieflipperfoot]

Lemond was nothing but a wheelhugger who had a good time trial, he is not fit to lace the boots of the TDF legends.

[EastCH]

@frankieflipperfoot You are absolutely wrong!!!

[dan32113]

@frankieflipperfoot how do you win 3 tours by being a wheelhugger as you say! maybe very intelligent, yes. If others worked for him, more fool them! Strategy & brains wins!!!

[pecheur01470]

Monsieur Bernard Hinault fais encore le show et emmène tranquillement Lemond a la victoire !!

[dirkbaeke]

Lemond admitt that he had dope!

[EastCH]

@dirkbaeke No he didn't dope as all the others fuckers like lance armstrong, tyler hamilten, floys landis. Lemond is the true cycling hero!

[ggrant999]

Cancer-terrible affliction, and kudos to anyone that overcomes it, Lance included.

People forget that other riders overcome huge accidents and illnesses and go on to win-I mean LeMond got hit by a fucking shotgun and was back on the bike in days!

Lance is truly a gifted rider-but it makes me sad to see the way he's responded to quite legitimate questions about his performances. If he'd nothing to hide, he would be less defensive, and little he's said does anything to disprove allegations.

[pbmazzone]

they all doped at one time and nobody gave floyd the memo saying they quit. times are changing.

[DEXTER941]

Hinault did his best to win this tour but he as far as I remember was supposed to help Lemond win this tour after Lemond helped and sacrificed his own ambitions to win in 1985 but Hinault was a winner and that is hard to switch off. He attacked early in this tour with Delgado and took a lot of time out of Lemond but Lemond did the same to him later and was too good for him but Hinault tried his best, age caught up with him like it does to all the greats, Lemond rode great though.

[arklat]

Yes, beating the kind of cancer LA had is tough. I saw my wife go thru chemo and it's horrible. But don't forget LeMond was shot with a friggin shotgun blast ! And after he didn't die from his wound, he won the TDF! So, don't say LeMond didn't have to go thru anything like Armstrong did! LeMond was a complete racer, like Merckx and Hinault, who all won Classics, Grand tours, and the World Championships. LeMond was great!!

[yngwieisking]

@arklat Armstrong was world champion when he as only 21. Just saying.

[ZAOUWV]

That Tour Lemond was really the best. No sixth for the great Hinault

[devin673]

this was the best tdf. badger and the kid.

[xaviqaz]

Armstrong has not even tried to win one Giro or Vuelta. Hinault, Anquetil, Merckx and Indurain did. Indurain also did a 3rd in Giro 94 and 2nd in Vuelta 91. Armstrong despises those races

[enialis77210]

they are good french and bad french, you opinion is very stupid. hianult was a lot problem because he had bad knee. he was able to win 6 or 7tours. hinault is 5 tdf, 3 giro and 2 vuelta. Armstrong. merckx is the best 5tdf, 5giro 1vuelta.

jonrk123 you don't know cycling like many people.

[jonrk123]

u french faggots r just pissed that your riders suck and cant win for shit. Yes I am an american. No, I will not say lance was the best of all time. But lance is the only one to win 7 tours of france, national titles, and a world championship. the olympics r a joke and he had cancer when he competed in them, give him a break. He is clearly ONE OF the greatest cyclist of all time- and you french retards have nothing that can discredit that claim or take that away from him.

[enialis77210]

the best are Merckx and hinault. lance good champion but not a true legend,

[mpmcd81]

Lance is an even bigger legend than Merckx and Hinault. All of these beat the competition many times at many grand tour events. Lance beat cancer, too.

[chris2002Rocklin]

@mpmcd81 Maybe it is so clear that you sound like a retard "every conversation must be placed in the context of the "he-man hunk I love so much, he the greatest, hottest etc".

Get over it. It can't be known who is stronger across generations The style of racing changed forever once the UCI, Lemond and other factors began to attract more sponsors, riders, medical and technical advances, larger gene pools, and 1987 UCI changes to how races are run. This last is by far the most profound.

[mpmcd81]

@chris2002Rocklin- Look, who knows who would have been better? Does it really matter? Could you be any more of an asshole?

Lance took on cancer head on and won his tours afterward. Neither Merckx nor Hinault overcame that adversity. My comment was in response to enialis. Lance is every bit the legend the others are and he has to be remembered for what he overcame.

[runtmc3]

@mpmcd81 Lance can't even be compared to Merckx. Merckx won all 3 GTs (TdF 5 times,Giro 5 times, Vuelta once), won all Five Monuments of cycling, and he also had to overcome a crash that left him a chronic back pain, and, according to Merckx, he never was the same after that crash. Lance, in his prime, only competed in his best shape at the TdF, and I think that it takes much more than that to be considered at the same level than Merckx or Hinault.

[mpmcd81]

@runtmc3 I don't disagree about the list of accomplishments of either. Lance's is a bit less impressive overall.

BUT

Neither overcame cancer before winning a grand tour. That makes a lot of difference when you remember their legacies.

[runtmc3]

@mpmcd81 Yes, I agree with you. But you consider that Lance was harmed by that cancer. Don't misunderstand me, but I think that Lance benefited from that cancer. Before the cancer, Lance was a classics specialist and a guy who could win stages in a grand tour. After the cancer, Lance became an all-rounder who could beat the best climber in the last 20 years (Pantani), and one of the best time-trialists in the last 20 years (Ullrich). The Armstrong pre-cancer would never have won a GT

[mpmcd81]

@runtmc3 I agree. Before Lance, riders rode in a very different style. They were mashers. Lance won because he lost weight, improved his cardiovascular system, and his pedal technique, cadence, and offloaded the muscular effort to the cardiovascular system. Lance made these changes after cancer and came back a very different rider. Nonetheless, cancer nearly ended his life. He fought for three years to survive, and the fact that he did that inspires millions.

[dredandmrbears]

lemond won 2 tours after being shot in the back with a shotgun? must have been doping

[dredandmrbears]

hinault won 5 tours how is that possible? he must have been doping

[tian33long]

thanks for the video. lemond was a true champion. I think its important to remember (doping aside) lemond won the 1st with a split team and the second with a really weak team. Lemond is the man. watching this tour is the reason i feel in love with the sport.

[88del88]

Yes, Lance has zero positive tests. Ullrich has 0 positve, Basso has 0 positive, Rasmussen has 0 positive, Riis had 0 positive, Peipoli 0 positive. All were dopers though.

[chris2002Rocklin]

@88del88 There is another possibility you idiots overlook. You can not accept that doping is not such a game-changer as you think it is. There are known clean racers who defeated known dopers. IT is not even that important for some racers and their schedules. It allows "time shifting" & appeals more to the guys who don't expect to win, + some IDIOT wannabes of certain age that became convinced by all the hoopla "Oh my, they really are all doped & now I must too" And then they get popped.

[rbonilla18]

@88del88 Ur missing CONTADOR in that list.

[zoltar56]

@88del88 Agree with you man and remember that Festina affair didn't start because of a positive test but because of a custom control in the trunk of the team doctor's car..

Before that Virenque, Brochard and co were never tested positive...

[alan4cm]

Lance Armstrong: the biggest fraud in sport history.

[flugtager]

I hate you french fucks. Lance Armstrong most dominant rider in the history of the tour de france period. Zero positive drug tests period. suck it.

[paulodulac]

you would better learn about history of cycling isntead of telling bulshits, but you are american that explains this...

[Draylla]

Dude, LA has been tested positive to corticoids during '99 Tour, so u can't pretend he had zero positive drug test...

[flugtager]

sensationalism by the foreign press.  Lance used a skin cream for saddle sore. check the history fuckstick.

[giocuate]

Pharmstrong!!!..jajjajajjajaj.­.nice very good.

[zoltar56]

Fignon recently wrote a book where he tell about doping in the 80's. He admit doping and tell it was mainly corticoîds and amphetamins. He talks also of about arrival of EPO in the early 90's. Suddenly average riders became stronger than him (I remember Lemond telling the same story too). The fact is that all records gets broken in these years. Tour average speed jumped from 36/37 km/h to 40!

The bottom line is that EPO provide such an avantage that it's impossible for a clean rider to win.

[chris2002Rocklin]

@zoltar56 That is old news. Riis was Fignon's domestique and both revealed this drug use quite some time ago, in fact the first informal rumors predate the EPO use.

"EPO provide such an avantage that it's impossible for a clean rider to win"

False.

There is huge effect in the head of racers. You only feel your own pain. Someone blows their gut out to drop you, and all you can think it "what is he on?". Part of the mind game. Most doping was by riders started to do it AFTER the Festina affair

[zoltar56]

@chris2002Rocklin Disagree with you mate!! When you're interested in cyclism over the last 35 years you see that the beginning of the 90's was really a turning point. Mind game doesn't explain such evolution. The sudden increase in average speed, the way mountains are climbed, all this as changes around the starts of Indurain era.

Old champions were already very well prepared and mentally bulletproof. Is there a new breed of mens? I don't think so!!

[SWhitneyBrown64]

@zoltar56

you are so right.

[zuzupetals1999]

Lance is a piece of garbage. He admitted to doping while in the hospital for cancer treatment. If you watch the races from the 80's vs. today, there is one BIG difference. Back in the 80's, riders could have a bad day. Remember Lemond getting dropped on Alp D'uez? Riders don't have bad days anymore. They ride like machines. That's the effect of drugs. Pharmstrong can't compare to Lemond. Lemond beat 15 guys that were able to win the tour, who did Lance beat? Another drug user.

[holjr]

It is prety naive to think the riders in the 80's were clean. Many of the top riders then tested positive at some stage in their carreer. Armstrong beat some impressive riders, even if they were doped up.

[Likkivi]

Yep. Doping became popular much earlier than in the '80's, so your argument sucks. The testing and focus on it has just grown, which makes it harder to get away with it today.

[chris2002Rocklin]

@zuzupetals1999 "Lance is a piece of garbage. He admitted to doping while in the hospital for cancer treatment."

LOL Really? No shit, in the friggin hospital and still he has to dope. What a doper loser! You'd think in a hospital, at least he coulda done the chemo clean but there he is doping!!

I for 1 could not face the mirror every morning after such an offense.

Dope in the hospital. What next? They're gonna dope in the afterlife if we don't straighten these guys out!

[JTKarp]

@chris2002Rocklin

He made his admission in the hospital...he didn't DOPE in the hospital....

[ViveLaColoniale]

Hinault+LeMond=Merckx

[holjr]

Merckx tested positive three times in his career. Regardless, he was a magnificent rider.

[rbonilla18]

Lemond is the best alot better than armstrong. they look human in the 80's. they could have dope in the 80's but nothing like epo.

[sky51778]

Come on everyone!! Neither LeMond or Lance have ever produced a positive drug test. Guys like LeMond from the 80's looked like they struggled more because #1 - they were dealing with lesser bikes and #2 - they didn't have the training knowledge and regimens that cyclists nowadays possess. There will be some cyclist one day that will outdo Lance's achievements. It's what sport is all about. Records and achievements are made to be broken.

[yngwieisking]

@rbonilla18 I hate to be the one to break it to you, but EPO was as rife in the 80's as it is now.

[baeckler]

Lance Amstrong is a cheater ! !

Lemon and Hinault are true men!

[callduty1942]

I don't think LA is cheater.

But I like Lemond more.

[johnnyOakland]

Lemond is my hero but Lance is one of the greats. All his competitors doped at that time and he may have too, but he prevailed.

[radiator0]

u stupid arsehole

[dtune29]

Merci pour la video !

[chris14091975]

This is a great video, thanks for posting. Pour nous en Amerique du Nord, on a pas les reportage "en francais". Le bitchage de Madiot est tres drole. c'était le deuxieme Tour de France que je voyais. (voir les clips de socialrider909 pour les version americain (ca dure -10min pour une étape!) Unbelieveably Herrera finished 49th that day!