Internet Censorship Is the Wrong Answer to Online Piracy

[pricture]

Btw every1 this doesnt *directly* talk about things like SOPA but its good to watch: /watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

[Lone432345]

One thing i can say about libertarian. I cant totally agree with them on civil liberties. Other Stuff not so much.

[xSharinganEyez]

This will blow off there is no way they can censor the internet this is a democracy don't they have to vote for it? I don't know much about politics so if this question is stupid lol don't say it

[jonescomplete]

I do not understand why socialists cannot see this... regulation is always used to the advantage of the rich and powerful. wtf?

[48tank]

No more porn ???D:

[Abraham540]

Less than a month ago congress passed a bill enabling the president to imprison US citizens for being accused of terrorism, indefinitely and without a trial. This was signed into law. They could also pass a crazy bill like SOPA, or the other one, sure. And I'm not sure the public outcry would be well heard. I hope it wouldn't survive the supreme court.

[fnnie]

The Mayans were right the world is gonna end and its all cause of the internet is gonna be shut and not free

[CloVeRxShoT]

@fnnie That wont happen...People will FLIP....THE...FUCK....OUT....N­o no no...No fucking EVERYBODY would riot against the government.

[Triangulove]

Contact your local congressman and stop this!

[merakhagen]

2:43, these morons, why is Taiwan in the China map?! Taiwan don't have oppressive regime. Why not add North Korea into the map instead?

[hammond5509]

What will happen to porn!!!!

[ragdoll137]

This is so disheartening. I don't want to live in a commercially controlled state any more than it already is.

[TrapierMichael]

love this. thanks

[dayhomemama]

They are doing it not just because of piracy, they are doing it to control how much we can communicate and stop people from spreading truth.

[pricture]

@dayhomemama Sad, but true. :(

[slappersplatter]

illuminati. theyre controlling what everyone is doing on the internet. believe me this bill is gonna pass. soon theyll control what we do

[Triangulove]

@slappersplatter

This bill will not pass. They are just trying to scare us with it. They know hackers will circumvent everything they try to do and create a free internet again.

[Dragon313035]

I get this strange feeling that it will affect my ability to watch porn. even though porn companies are the best at anti-piracy

[FantasyInnovationsUK]

Lets all come together and put those clowns at GO DADDY who just happen to support the SOPA bill out of business - by simply posting a copy of this comment to all movies viewed by you at YouTube today - just use the copy and paste method - takes 2 seconds. Then, within a few days, millions and millions of YouTube users will become aware that GO DADDY actively supports SOPA, and that they should move their website hosting to another ISP as soon as possible!!!!

[supoaldb]

@FantasyInnovationsUK Wrong Godaddy Opposes the bill

[factor591]

@supoaldb Only after a boycott forced Godaddy to change it's stance on the issue.

[quandrax]

the right answer would be...?

[mattstorm360]

Well... we will know soon... SO VOTE! Say fuck this bill and lets burn it! =D

[matahaari]

This bill is probably more political than anything else. Former Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, Chris Dodd is now freshly anointed CEO of the powerful Motion Picture Association of America, a lobby firm for the film industry that would profit from this legislation. His contributions to the banking monopoly cannot be overlooked and he has exemplary political connections, which trumps the public interest.

[Frubahboi]

This needs to be Close Captioned.

[TakahashiMaikeru]

@virtualchoirboy "Forget two guys in a garage - it'll never happen again" Which is exactly what large, already-established corporations want.

[stoneycartoon]

@NBrown654500 Don't forget about Obama he's pissing all over the constitution too!

[stoneycartoon]

Corporations are the people behind this Act they have given millions to lobby for this crap! FUCK THEM it need to be "STOP!" This isn't China and Iran is it?

[Serratus648]

@stoneycartoon In China or Iran there wouldn't be a debate about this...

[Everett07630]

Commie Obama wants to be like Communist China... no surprise here.

[SupaaDork]

@Everett07630 ... Seriously?

[Everett07630]

@SupaaDork Have you NOT been paying any attention to the garbage he's been pulling using the FCC internet regulations? And the internet kill switch?

[Everett07630]

@SupaaDork And this: NDAA bill, After the NDAA is signed into law by Obama, he will have the authority to wage war against “domestic terrorists,” defined by the Department of Homeland Security as “rightwing extremists” and other anti-government types. As noted above, it will be the DHS that will “direct the work” against enemies of the state. It will work with the Pentagon to militarily neutralize the threat posed by activists and the alternative media.

[Everett07630]

@SupaaDork Bill allows indefinite detention of US citizens without trial...Obama 'demanded law apply to U.S. citizens'...Republicans sellout. "By signing this defense spending bill, President Obama will go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in U.S. law," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. w w w . cbsnews .com /8301-250_162-57343287/wh-oks-­military-detention-of-terroris­m-suspects/

[Everett07630]

@SupaaDork Wake up

w w w . youtube . com /watchfeature=player_embedded&­v=nyX5EKzF1pg#!

w w w . youtube . com/watch?v=AVAOz_SI5JQ

w w w . youtube . com/watch?v=DWApGqE_T-k

[norrisdeathbeard]

@Everett07630 yeah fuck that cotton picking sand nigga

[GeistvonWut]

If this becomes the America I'm to be brought up in, I'll be damned if I bring up my children here.

[IAmAPirate77]

sites.google.com/site/howcanyo­uhatepirates/

[pixargod]

I don't want the bill to pass. That means they will start censoring some of my favourite sites like TGWTG.com and tvtropes.org.

[willyicious]

If this censorship passes into affect, it will provide the perfect groundwork for allowing the ruling elites in this country to inhibit grassroots, groundswell movements like OWS. From my viewpoint, that's what they're after — it's got little to do with copyright protections. I am so sick and g*ddamn tired of the corruption in the U.S.

[Serratus648]

I gotta say - I don't envy you guys in U.S. with some of your "smart" politicians...

[stoneycartoon]

@Serratus648 Smart.. I think you mean sell outs if you really think about it, most politicians around the world including your country are bought off. Money talks not the people.

[Serratus648]

@stoneycartoon I'm getting a feeling that I've offended you, witch - believe me, was NOT my intention. And yes - you got a point there. It's just that there's not a single year where I don't hear about some ridiculous bill passed by one of the states governments or federal law that makes no sense to anyone with even some remote cognitive processes in their brain. I refuse to believe that someone payed to have pizza declared a vegetable for example... call me naive.

[zorbakpants2]

so as i see it, SOPA tries to crush the American constitutions under it's big communist boot, correct?

[jtropeano]

Cato will be the first to go.

[DuaneEH]

"... the only difference between the Unites States and China is what's on the blacklist."

Sobering words.

[RIAAInformant]

@DuaneEH

That will change.

[billcole]

Beyond the philosophical arguments, the specific mechanisms required in the current SOPA/PIPA legislation are a technical attack on the robustness of Internet DNS. The intent of the blocking mechanisms could be worked around by anyone with a minimal level of technical skill, but only at the cost of reducing reliability and security in DNS and killing mechanisms used today to operate content distribution networks. It is no exaggeration to say that these bills would *break the Internet*

[god0fgod]

Comment (c) Copyright Matthew Mitchell 2011. You wouldn't steal a car so you wouldn't steal a comment.

[elricmlbone]

stop the intellectual monopoly laws no more copyrights and patents!!

[tostedcheeseman]

@elricmlbone how about no

that is foolish to eliminate them all together

[kev3d]

@elricmlbone Like the Soviet Union? When IP is not respected there is a net loss of innovation and commerce. Copyrights, patents and trademarks also protect consumers because there is an owner of those things, otherwise I could make fraudulent apple Iphones or sell virus-laden operating systems. The tradeoff is the copyright holder must be proactive in protecting his IP or figure out better ways to offer his product, rather than exercising broad prior restraint by government.

[elricmlbone]

@kev3d I have no problem with trademarks, they are a name and rightfully are permanent property, On the other hand patents and copyrights historically have stifled innovation and created monopoly and stagnation. Did you never hear of corporate secrets? I recommend you read "Against Intellectual Monopoly" by Blodrin and Levine.

It will open your eyes. I find it hilarious that Disney has made its fortune and copyrights on material that was in the public domain and now have a monopoly.

[kev3d]

@elricmlbone That simply isn't true. The nations with relatively strong IP and Patent law have the best track record for innovation. Specifically the US and Japan. There is more technological advancement and entertainment content created today than ever before. Besides, if you can own a name or logo, you can own a story or song. Where do you draw the line? Star Wars is trade marked, so is Mickey Mouse.

[kev3d]

@kev3d cont. Some things are, of course, better if they are collaborations, hence the "open" framework of much software. But not everything is Linux. And speaking of Linux, although Ubuntu is "open", "Thawte Consulting", the company that made all the money to fund later open projects, was protected under copyright. Such as it is, there is so much open architecture out there today, how can one say innovation is stifled?

[elricmlbone]

@kev3d I cited a source, you are saying it's just not true. Please research and read then refute me. I used to believe like you but have since changed my opinion based on fact. You could also read an excellent essay by Jeffery Tucker at mises .org. I am doctor in the health care industry and patents have been the greatest destroyers of innovation of this industry in pharmaceuticals, medical devices and biotech.

[kev3d]

@elricmlbone Well I am a software engineer and copyrights can spur innovation. Apple for instance is criticized for being extremely closed, yet the millions of apps made by independent developers beg to differ. Again, look at the nations with strong IP law and look at their contributions to medical technology; one ought to expect the reverse if patents (which expire much sooner than copyrights) prevented development.

[itcanbecheezcaketime]

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[BuckandRider]

Very good commentary. But you forget one key aspect which is essential to the libertarian tradition. That is the protection of private property. These laws ARE designed to prevent theft of american private property rights in copyright and trademark. The technology that you mention to get around the website take downs are also illegal to use for that purpose. SOPA requires a judicial order before an injunction is issued, and the site can contest that order. Property owners need protection too.

[MrJigssaw1989]

@BuckandRider Well what is called "Intelectual Property" is not property. Patents and Copyrights are goverment granted monopoly rights for certain time. In the matter of piracy goverment is just subsidising bussiness. I think without IP, private industry would figure much better and more efficient way to protect themselves against piracy (for instance look at Onlive.com).

[BuckandRider]

@MrJigssaw1989 You have expressed a common misconception. Patents and Copyrights are not monopoly rights in the legal sense because they do not give an absolute right to practice the invention or perform the art. Rather, they are exclusionary rights. Under the Lockean labor theory of property, the art or science is certainly property. The founding fathers acknowledged this property right in the federal Constitution. Art. I Sec. 8. Cl. 8.

[virtualchoirboy]

@BuckandRider The founding fathers ackowledged the right, but only grudgingly at best and "for a limited time". While you can argue that "lifetime + 70 years" is limited all you want, for all intents and purposes, it might as well be infinite to me. I'm in my mid-40's and anything new created today will remain under copyright until long after I'm dead. That's not limited from my perspective and drives my believe that modern copyright is unconstitutional.

[virtualchoirboy]

@BuckandRider You're correct in that a judicial order is needed for a site to be blocked, but NO judicial order is required to submit a notice to advertisers and payment networks. Those notices can be filed directly by the MPAA/RIAA to the payment or ad networks (i.e. MasterCard/DoubleClick) and they are then REQUIRED to stop dealing with the site in question. Where is your judicial overview now? How long do you think a site like YouTube would stay up if it couldn't place ads?

[BuckandRider]

@virtualchoirboy Youtube would not be considered in SOPA or PROTECT IP because those only pertain to foreign infringing sites. The reason we have these bills is because the the U.S. cannot get personal jx over the foreign websites. For completeness, the bill does provide that the foreign site must be given notice by the companies and the site cannot be shut down if it (1) provides a name, address, telephone num, and email (2) states it is not a pirate and (3) consents to US jurisdiction.

[virtualchoirboy]

@BuckandRider Actually, sites like YouTube, Facebook and Twitter are absolutely affected by SOPA. The payment processor/ad network component applies to any site, foreign or domestic. This will be crippling to the tech industry because every new startup will require a battery of lawyers just to get off the ground. Forget two guys in a garage - it'll never happen again.

[dayhomemama]

@virtualchoirboy That is what they are counting on, the less start-ups, the more money goes to big corps.

[virtualchoirboy]

@BuckandRider Also, in relation to "judicial order", do a quick search for dajaz1.com. They were taken down for an entire year with a judicial order, but never had a proper adversarial hearing.

[BuckandRider]

@virtualchoirboy That is certainly a concern. But preliminary injunctions are not uncommon when the evidence is overwhelming. There is certainly a balance that needs to be struck btw Due Process and the protection of property rights. It is just a very difficult situation when sites are "located" where you cannot get jx, but can steal American citizen's private property and disseminate it in someone's home.

[virtualchoirboy]

@BuckandRider Hate to quibble, but infringement is NOT theft. Theft would be like me stealing cars off the lot and selling them. Infringement is me making perfect copies of the car on the lot and selling those copies from a lot across the street. The way to "beat" me is to offer a better deal. People will absolutely pay for content, but are also paying for intangibles that come with it - the biggest being convenience. If you can provide content in a convenient form, we'll buy.

[RustyIronloins]

Excellent explanation

[rubbersole79]

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