You are very very wrong - it shouldn't need explaining. There are people who are gay and describe themselves as straight acting because of self-loathing, but the rest would watch this video and think WTF?
There is more homophobia from the 'straight-acting' gay community than from some southern baptist churches. Do you really think all gays can be 'straight acting'? Don't you understand that effeminate men have existed for hundreds of years and not be cause they want to act that way.
@phantomsuccour are you fucking kidding me? social behaviour (i.e. fagginess) is NOT innate. sexual behaviour (homosexuality) IS innate; this means that fags acting faggy are not impelled to behave that way. so if, as you write, those fairies do not "want to act that way", then they SHOULD NOT. don't cry 'homophobia' and 'hate crime' when your fairy asses get beaten for being SOCIALLY offensive.
@canadaguy666 You have proved my point EXACTLY!!! That even lgbt (I'm assuming that you are one) can be more homophobic than right wing evangelicals. Do you understand all the factors that determine people's behaviour? What about people that believe they were born into the wrong sex? You may not understand that hormones, genes and one's environment all play a role in determining how they end up behaving.
@canadaguy666 The fact that you believe every gay must be masculine (masculinity is subjective) proves that you are no different from the homophobes that demand that every male like females and every female like males. If you CANNOT get it through your thick skull that people can be different for all sorts of reasons and be accepting, then you are NO different from Rick Santorum and his gang of hateful fundamentalists.
@canadaguy666 Furthermore, given that you seem quite amused by their 'fairy-asses' getting beaten for being 'socially offensive' i.e they do not conform to the norm, I would say that your violent inclinations towards effeminate gays show that some gays are not only homophobic against others, but harbour violent intentions and desires towards them. I would ask you to search within your soul to find out why you are so violent but that would mean you have one.
@phantomsuccour I'm familiar with the bio-psycho-social model, thanks. do you seem to understand that social behaviour (lets just say 'mannerisms') are varied across men, regardless of sexual preference? hetero men can be faggy too, and if they get their asses whooped for being so faggy, it's not a homophobic hate-crime--it's assault! wanna avoid the violence and bullying? stop acting faggy!
@phantomsuccour i don't have a violent disposition, but i lack sorrow for victims of assault who INTENTIONALLY appear feminine. if you get attacked SOLELY for being gay (i.e. by TRUE homophobes, who likely suppress their own latent homosexual inclination), i most certainly will express remorse, even indignation.
@phantomsuccour i'm not sure what you mean when describing masculinity as 'subjective', but i'll agree with you and say that masculinity is conflated with gender, which is subjective, and varies between socities, and within them. does this mean one must conform to gender norms of social behaviour? no, but you would be smart to!
and you're right, i don't have a fucking 'soul', and neither do you! it's gays like YOU who make me ashamed to be a gay man.
@canadaguy666 It's good you have agreed that you ashamed of being gay, I suppose that's what is common among supposedly 'straight-acting' gays that are even more homophobic than Rick Santorum, like yourself. Clearly there is no point in trying to educate an ignorant person with violent inclinations towards effeminate gays who seems particularly proud of his position on this subject. You have gone to prove the point that I made before about some 'straight-acting ' gays.
I am attracted to effeminate men, i love them but i identify with the masculine side. It really pisses me off when society automatically assumes gay = fem. We all have a need for affiliation and want characters in the media like us.
I don't mind the word "straight-acting" and "feminine-acting" I mean, from kids were taught gender identity and honestly some gay guys act a little feminine. It's not self-loathing, I consider myself "straight acting" or "masculine", it's just a word. I have no problem with my sexual orientation and I know a lot who don't either. First off, the LGBT community needs to stop fighting with itself over the most mundane of issues. Seriously, fight for something more important, like marriage.
why is it that so called 'straight acting' gay men preach so much hate towards other gays? isn't it ironic that they may want to be treated as equals by the rest of society but insult other gays? Get over it!! Gays are not and never will be the same!! Stop insulting others and for once show you are actually comfortable with who you are, it's pathetic when you try to give excuses.
@phantomsuccour I've seen more feminine gay guys preaching hate toward masculine ones just because they are not attracted to their type, just learn to make the difference with PREFERENCE and HATE.
@Darkstorma1 I understand the difference between preference and hate, and that's why I criticise 'straight-acting' gays who insult and mock effeminate gays, they are just as homophobic as the evangelical homophobes. Don't you think calling themselves 'straight-acting' proves they are ashamed of being gay? I am NOT criticising masculine gay men that aren't attracted to effeminate gay men.
Thank you for your detailed response Goy. However, I disagree with it. Your posts are overflowing with self loathing and self hatred. Even the fact you call it the Goy movement, instead of the gay movement. A term I've never heard before, that suggests personal discomfort with your identity.
You also seem to have a hatred for gay men who are campy. This is social prejudice, and it is as unacceptable as hating people for having brown skin, or for a wearing a Jewish head cap.
Perhaps you object to the post because you don't understand it.The G0Y[spelled g-zero-y-s]Movement has NOTHING to do with the "GAY Movement".Visit g0ys[dot]org.We are not self-loathing and have NO self-hatred.We love MEN;we celebrate/promote Masculinity.We espouse Brotherhood(not Sisterhood,if you catch my drift).Hatred is a strong word.We simply don't want to be ASSociated with campy men or behaviors we reject.Criticism doesn't equal hate.Too many gays play the victim card.
the exaggerated heterosexuality is simply a part of psychological frame of many gay men - this is visible in so many phenomena- so many homosexual men do not identify themselves as gay or bisexual, or if they do they choose not to tell any one because they like to be perceived as straight, or then, if they do, they say they are straight acting. And then there is the down-low, the "men having sex with men" thing and so on and so forth. So why not accept "straightness" as part of gay identity ?!
I'm a so-called "straight acting" gay man and I personally hate the term, just like I hate the term 'metrosexual'. I think it sets a standard as to how straight people and gay people should act.
It's okay to embrace the identity you know yourself to be, then why isn' t it okay for Gay MEN to embrace their masculinity instead of having an alliance of any sort with effeminate acting Gay males of the cocks in frocks jerry springer freak show? Here is where being a fake wannabee comes into play...a Gay white male acting like a self confident angry black woman "You Go Girl". Fake and phony people "the femish", get off this martyr status now! Under No Rainbow Here with Me!
@Jharen1231 Please learn the difference between gay and transgender....And I'm a straight woman! I'm also biracial/black and never once in my life have I ever said "You go girl". You truly love stereotypes don't you? You are obviously a bigoted, close-minded hater. I will pray for you!
I am here to break all stereo-types from the gay side and the straight side. I am here to get you so quizzed out about what is straight and gay that you will shit rainbow flowers and beer chunks from your lily white ass!
Invented Term: Straight Acting. I disagree with this invented term and get highly defensive against those that call it "internal homophobia" and misrepresent my biologically born gender. Queen-ing out is more of an act and gives the community the jerry springer flavor of a human community freak show and a joke! Would you take someone seriously to say we are normal just like you are as they protest in mass drove of cocks in frocks? Seriously.
@Jharen1231 Bravo! You might fit in quite easily and nicely with the g0ys! Check us out at g0ys[dot]{org} we also have a YT page - g0ytube - as well as many highly active Yahoo discussion groups. You may write me back privately for more info if this interests you!
personally i believe gay guys should act more manly. i could be wrong BUT maybe lots of people dont like and even hate gay guys and lesbian who try to act like the opposite sex. except for the bible thumbers they hate almost everything -.-
well feminine guys are usually the joke from there masculine and straight frineds and maybe 50% embarassed to be seen with them.
We live in a fast world. What's the fastest way to say you wouldn't know I'm gay till I told you?
To say masculine may mean hyper-male... a Schwartzenegger or John Wayne type. I don't have big muscles or spit on the ground or use the f word in every sentence. I'm like an average straight guy in my mannerisms and interests except I'm gay.
Yet I do find "white-acting" to be offensive. To speak unaccented English or do well in school isn't "white" so maybe I'm wrong about straight-acting.
I feel that staight acting is a flawed term that even I have used in the past to describe my masculinity. I think it's really just a matter of masculinity vrs femininity and the in-between.
I agree with the 2nd caller who pointed out that this can apply to race as well, and a person with a typical white American accent or speech pattern is called "white" acting, or a white person who sounds African American would be accused of trying to sound black. Really it's just stereotypes we all have.
The 1st caller has problems with his own gay self. I used to say I like str8-acting men. but i realized its that kinda language that made me hide for 30 years and 1 wife later. ... The point is its ok to have preferences, but think about about using another term. straight-acting aint all that much fun anyway,
the reason i dont really like the "flamer" type feminine gay guys is because they just annoy me. they are loud and overbearing (in my personal experience)
so its more of a personality clash than a self loathing issue.
I kind of disagree with this. I believe that sexuality does not effect perosnality. I'm gay but that doesn't mean I want to pick out shoes for girls, watch sex and the city and bathe in all that is pink. You could say I'm "straight-acting" or "masculine" but if I call myself "straight-acting" that does not mean in the slightest that I am denying my own sexuality (hence my main point at the beginning). :D
I have seen ordinary masculine gays be turned in matters of week into flaming queens. How? Peer pressure by other effeminate men can wreak havoc on masculinity.
@viastesal So true. Try pushing this perspective in a gay crowd or a very 'male' oriented gay site like realjock[dot]{com} and you'll be called homophobic, self-loathing, hateful, hypocritical.You'll be branded a traitor.Until gays themselves realize that it is only they that can change the public perception that afflicts them, they will forever be fighting an uphill battle.G0ys choose to distance themselves from a group that has declared themselves anathema by their very nature. g0ys[dot]{org}
Bravo! It's sad that they will just never understand the true source of the damage done to the gay community...it's not the ones that successfully integrate into society as a whole. It's the ones that present themselves as a circus act or conduct themselves as if life is one big 1980's bathhouse that set back gay progress by leaps and bounds.
There are a lot less looksist and condemning gays than there used to be, lots of them died off. They still try to make hate and judgement of other gay men by looks as the determining factor in human worth - but funny that they don't judge straights that way!!!
A movement of one - nutball. IS this Michael Savage masquerading again? Someone in Sally Kern's office tried that but my web person figured out it was them. You can't go to England Michael but I can...
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I think 'straight-acting gay man' is a great term because it upsetts those who would like to see gay men as a category distinct from men as such. Some people just cannot accept that there can simply be no distinctive feature or style to tell gay from straight. It seems to me that some gay men feel this pressure that they should display or accept their alleged 'gayness' while they would just feel most comfortable being perceived as 'straight'.
There are PLENTY of distinctive features and styles in the gAy lifestyle to tell gay from straight...that is what creates the stereotypes. For your statement to be more accurate, the aberrations would have to be so remote, that stereotypes would fade away and be recognized as a fluke. How come they are not - and increasingly within the gay community as men get 'fed up'? And how come so many guys are dissatisfied with the public perception of the gay community, justified or not? You know why...
I think the "GAY" group is missing the origin of the term "STRAIGHT ACTING". The TERM arose because the "GAY" community decided to make "FEM" the "GAY PERSONNA". Ass as result of the OVERALL GAY MALE COMMUNITY adopting "B1tch-Speak" as their un/official accent, --men who don't identify with that camp use the term "STRAIGHT ACTING" to describe a masculine set of traits that are the antithesis of "5th grade girly mannerisms".
Another group is called "g0y" -spelled w. a zer0. G00GLE 'em (I dare ya)
''The good' died young because they were still living like it was the pre-80's and pretending AIDS didn't exist. Men that are coming to discover g0ys are staying healthy because we don't play in sewer pipes.
You "straightacting" types have some issues. I don't hate you actually, I kiind of feel sorry for you. Its just that so many guys have your attitude and it prevents us from uniting as a community.
But WE, masculine same-gender-attracted men - who are that way naturally, (the term straight-acting - a put-on - is stupid) - men who reject the gAy lifestyle DON'T WANT TO be 'united' with the likes of LaReina (drag queen). Your profile page shows you have some noble ideals, but your public presentation of yourself lends to you not being taken seriously.
You don't have to 'expose' me.I'll do it for you & freely admit it. I support g0ys.We are sick of being ASSociated with the butt pounders,drag queens and other factions that have NOTHING to do with same-gender-affection,male bonding,masculine identity,brotherhood & camaraderie.We're about sexual responsibility,moral & spiritual(not necessarily 'religious')strength.We reject anonymous sexual hook-ups and promote Friendship First.Concepts that are largely lost or overshadowed by crap in gAydom.
So you speak for all gay people? I was finally accused of that and I said I let them make their own mistakes. Patrick you must be a Log Cabiner or think that clothes make a person do crazy things. Its insulting for you to insinuate that only certain gays named by YOU don't have unprotected sex... that only the ones YOU name are nice peole... this is an example of a Log Cabiner people, the reason why we made Stadtlander withdraw from the race for Atlanta City Council.
@LaReinaDelBarrio I think that you people who think that "straight acting guys" are bad have an issue, some people have a different personality and taste, it has nothing to do to unite or not has a communitiy, your type whines that masculine men are judgemental but you always bring up crap like self-loathing. gay men, just like straight ones comes in all type, get over it
Also, straights don't advertise themselves as "gay-acting" to lure women - why should we say that to attract men? Its ridiculous - non one should be putting chains on themselves while the world tries to do it as well.
Because attracting men should have nothing to do with acting like a woman, or "fem". The distinction is made and needs to be made because, clearly, gay men have a reputation for being effeminate.
If by "chains" you mean being responsible for the effects of your own actions then it looks like it's time for you to grow up.
If you're gay and think that I do drag to attract men, you are totally in left field. Gay men are not attracted to drag queens, they tolerate us. We do what we do for ourselves, not the gay community as a whole, because if we did do something that would bring us all our rights, the gays would steal the credit from us!!!
About gay men tolerating drag queens...d.q's at Stonewall don't get the credit. Google (or Wikipedia) Mattachine Society (1950), Society for Human Rights (1924) and Emma Goldman (1923). Those are the roots of the rights movement, not a bunch of rioting drag queens at Stonewall. If you are fighting for your own acceptance, than don't demand to be included in the gay community. This is one homosexual G0Y man who does not 'tolerate' (the behavior of) drag queens and never will.
Sometimes I wish that all gay men were effeminate and could not act macho so that the reverse homophobia that has ruined the LGBT world would disappear. But they would still create a caste system, its just how they are.
The problem is much bigger. The community of same-gender-attracted men comprises much more than just the "gay" community. Only 40% of men identify as totally heterosexual. The outrageous public displays by a minority element is responsible for many men not able to deal with their feelings for fear of being lumped in with the fags, queens & butt-pirates. 48-50% of SGA men in various levels, outside the gay community, are stereotyped, thanks to the extremists. That's the cause of 'homophobia'.
There's no logical connection in your statement and you should know that.
Yeah, some fundamentalists have the Bible all wrong, especially when they ignore the story of David & Jonathan. "A love surpassing even the love of women" Their bond "found favor in God's eyes'. Also, spirituality and religion are vastly different concepts. Because someone has a code by which they live their life does not make them a religious bigot or a zealot.
Don't be ridiculous and try to cloud the discussion. The guys that killed Matthew Shepard were NOT G0y and there's not a G0y on the planet that would condone what they did. This is another offensive factor with you queens. You all are always so melodramatic and off track with your flighty rhetoric. Stick to the topic.
No, they don't need to be bashed. The gay community just needs to stop including every oddball, freak and fetish under the gay umbrella simply because nobody else wants them. Same gender affection is about MEN and masculine respect - not drag queens, not pseudo-women, not irresponsible or offensive sexual behavior. The tragedy is that the gay community is beyond repair...so guys that are fed up should explore that movement I mentioned elsewhere here...
No, g0ys are not speaking to the gay community.We are speaking to those men who are dissatisfied with the direction the gay community has been led by the aberrant fetishists and the pro-anal liars.G0ys also are not a sub-community of gaysWe, as hetero-, bi- and homosexual men far out number the small faction of gAys that feel threatened by our viewpoint of pro-responsibility & masculine respect.If you don't want to feel rejected, change the offensive behaviors that permeate the gAy lifestyle.
i am proud to be a strairt acting gay man not some sissy bitch and all femms and drag qweens and creaps with a twang to their voice shoud die strairt acting gay pride death to femms
But why must your behavior be 'an act', which you imply by straight-acting. Why not just get right to the plain truth. You are a masculine man, not someone who is faking their behavior to be accepted. If your masculine behavior is natural, and not an act, then there is no need to act to 'fit in'. I'm supporting your point, but think you should just abandon anything that implies 'acting'. Do you see what I'm saying?
I do not think gays who identify with straight guys are "gay bashing." The reason being is because many gay guys do not want to affiliate with the gay community because of the feminine characteristics. I am one of those guys who hate the way the gay community has become, particularly blaming their sexuality on a "gay gene." I accept it but I don't have to act like a bitch man!
What is a 'feminine characteristic'? Though I do agree with you on the whole 'gay gene' quandary. I find the whole 'I can't help it' argument problematic, because, though it COULD lead to more tolerance, it could also lead to 'I know you can't. Let's eliminate you or incarcerate you for your own good'.
Whats your problem? I can have an opinion right. Act whichever way you want to. You don't know me so you can't hate me, only what I say. I hate idiots though.
And what also bugs me is how gay men get so up in arms about this preference issue. They don't mind being themselves but when these straight acting or even "masculine" words pop up, then all of the sudden they are ready to defend their "masculinity" or lack thereof. We're sellouts or we're creating homophobia in the community. Shut the F*** up with that nonsense. Another case of diversity not being acceptable unless its their kind of diversity.
This reeks of political correctness. Leave it to most gay people to jump all over "words" incessantly. I'm one of those politically incorrect homos so seeing straight acting is hardly "offensive". And you can easily say I have issues because to be honest, when I found out I was a homo, I was perplexed on the percentage of gay men who act or sound like women. It's like, "What is the point?" I might as well date women again, not some bad carbon copy of them with different body parts.
We go through all the trouble of coming out, so we can be ourselves. Why then does so much of our own community want us to jump into another box? I don't want to be labeled or forced into a "scene". I don't want to act fem or masc. I am me, period. It's one thing to have main stream society label us, they are largely ignorant of our culture, but lets not label ourselves.
G0ys are not 'part' of the gAy community. We are OUTSIDE the gAy community and only speak to those men who don't feel comfortable being represented by all the fetishes and factions under the gAy umbrella that have nothing to to with the straightforward issue of same gender affection. Why must the gAy community be comprised of every stray fetish and freak that almost nobody want to be ASSociated with or represented in every pathetic gay parade by?
It's "faggot", not "FAGET", and "wants", not "want's". I have no problem with being called faggot - it's fun when someone says that, I guess expecting me to curl up and die or be 'put in my place', and, instead, I say 'duh' or 'thank you' or 'how perceptive of you' (not that it happens very often - when I first came out, some twit said I wasn't gay, because I didn't read on his gaydar and his was NEVER wrong. He said: 'Prove it'. I said: 'Not if you were the last man on earth'.)
It's just funny.... I predict that 20-40 years from now once gay relationships become even more accepted, you will probably see a rise in pairing of masculine and fem guys.
Does anyone else feel that way? The reason why guys like to label themselves as, "straight-acting" is because they do not like to be ridiculed from outside society.
I find myself in the very middle, not either, just normal. Even I find it to be uncomfortable around a flaming queen though, haha! I'm working on it!
Guys (like me) who use this term to describe themselves are doing so, not because they have a serious issue with being gay, but more that they cannot identify with the gay stereotype. I prefer guys, but would rather die than listen to pop, wear pink, or let my wrist go limp. In those respects, I can indentify with stright guys, there is no acting going on, I don't have an issue with the fact that I'm gay. Being gay is about having a preferance to the same sex, not about how you act.
Perhaps you would identify with the g0y movement. Reply to me privately and I can give you some links or G00gle the term g0ys - spelled g-zer0-y-s. Visit the ORG site, the main website for the movement.
A g0y is not ONLY bisexual. There are many g0ys who are heterosexual and many that are homosexual as well. G0ys also reject anal sex, regardless of sexual orientation, opting for other, less dangerous, less degrading and less decadent expressions of same-gender-affection. So, you looked at the site, but you've shown you really didn't study it, because otherwise you'd know the details of g0ys. By the way, if you are going to expect an adequate response, why do you restrict private messages?
...and it's not MY site...it's the site of a movement that I am involved with and support, but I'm not the founder. Just one of a growing number who are sick of the failing social experiment called the gAy lifestyle.
I'd say it this way: Being ~homosexual~ is about having a preference to the same gender...being gAy implies having an affinity to the gAy lifestyle, which has become clouded and distorted by many factions that have nothing to do with same gender affection and more to do with a wide range of fetishes and their practitioners who demand society accept their behaviors unconditionally. "Homosexual" and "gAy" are not necessarily synonymous anymore.
If you visit the g0y site and go to the page: G0Y?Eh? and scroll down to the section "Why 'G0Y' -- spelled with a ZER0?" there is a very clear and concise statement about how the name came into being. It wasn't just an arbitrary whim behind the name.I urge you to explore the statements before making flippant comments.Speaking of 'silly', there's nothing more nonsensical than a community using an umbrella term GAY to describe behaviors and fetishes that has zip to do with same gender affections.
I hear what you are trying to say, and there are lots on the g0y site that I can relate to, but it seems that the g0y movement is unhappy with the gay label (as a result of the stereotyping) and as a result wants to create a new trendier label for themselves.
I think the issue is with the fact that people need to label people, and I cant see it helping if those who have a complex about being labelled want to feel better about it by creating another label.
I have a belief that homosexual guys fall into 2 categories though. The majority (say 90%) are genetically homosexual, and the minority (say 10%) are homosexual as a result of environmental influences or psyche. This can never be black or white, and there will always be shades of gray, but I reckon of the 90% you would know they were homo either to look at or listen to.
Even if that were the case, what would be wrong with that? I'm posting for others benefit here - I've enjoyed out PVT's. When the term "GAY" no longer is an accurate label for a large majority males who are attracted to males, what is wrong with providing an alternative - not only name, but entire philosophy with a strong set of foundational core values. Remember, only 40% of men identify as totally heterosexual. That leaves a prime demographic of 50-60% of guys who might more accurately be g0y.
um...i'm naturally a fem. i'm not acting. personally im tired of our own people bashing fems. (were to sterotypical) and some other bul*^$#. be that as it may were still all aprt of the gay family. just different tastes. (besides theres loads of guys who lony like fems...i should know!)
That's because WE are not 'your' people. You imply we have no say in the matter. If there are guys who wish to be around you, love you, and celebrate you, more power to you...just don't claim to represent an entire community. Live your life, out of the limelight, and quit giving the impression that the minority represents the majority. G00gle G0ys.
If you have a soft/feminine personality,that is one thing & acceptable.If you are deliberately campy,present effeminate behavior that is 'an act'-that is different.If a guy engages in butt-sex,is effeminate or hyper-masculine(campy either way)then I will not be part of that same 'gay family' as them.I'm sick of the all-inclusive BS and the unsafe/degrading behavior that has nothing to do with same-gender-affection, male bonding, brotherhood & camaraderie and has put the community in the sewer.
Oh, and one more thing: If anyone's "acting," it's the fem guys, not the naturally masculine men. It has nothing to do with remorse for one's sexuality. But you're right with one point: "straight acting" is an unfortunate term.
Who are you to ask a random caller, who didn't know the first caller -- as you didn't -- if he thinks the first caller had an issue with his orientation? Just as you were in no position to ask that question, the second caller was in no position to give an answer that had any true relevance. Just because you're not straight doesn't mean your line of questioning shouldn't be.
so when u say straight acting u must be implying that gay acting is femine while str8 acting is manly... that idiot is only making it harder to break the gay stereotype
The ones that perpetuate the stereotypes are the ones who act in a stereotypical manner, making it harder to break the stereotypes. If the gay community would stop defending the freaks and those that drag the community into the gutter, all same-gender-attracted men would be better off.
i think if someone wants to drag let them, but to use termology like "straight acting" and "gay acting" is just dumb
and as for those who perpetuate the gay stereotype...that's fine, but to label the gay community as a whole based off that one person's mannerism is just absurd and judgemental...don't blame the queen blame the statistically hater
Nobody's targeting the gay community as a whole...that's what the people that scream homophobia just don't understand. If the comments don't apply to a certain gay, then they need not feel targeted. It's like the old saying 'If the shoe fits, wear it'. If a guy isn't acting like a queen or bringing shame on the community, then he should not feel like he's the subject of labeling. It's very easy to understand.
i have seen homophobia...when homophobes use words like fag and queen the last thing they are thinking of is "...except the straight acting gays they're cool with us'
homophobes hate all gays...and all same sex couplings/desires/lusting/intimacy etc...they don't care if you are STRAIGHT ACTING.
Can you think of any other logical reason why some gays thought there was aneed to coin the term 'straight acting'. Uh yeah, maybe it WAS because of the stereotypical perception that many guys in the gay lifestyle - not the homosexual community - ARE effeminate behaving. Or at least some are so visibly so that it has created a skewed view, even so that masculine gays need to create a new label. The fems ARE reinforcing the stereotype...there's no way around that fact...
No. We don't advocate anything. We aren't speaking to them. We present our views for the benefit of those guys who agree with us, to inform them of the fact that there IS an alternative. Gays can do whatever they want, but if anyone doesn't identify with the stereotypical gAy lifestyle but still are attracted to men, without all the baggage, then we are an alternative worth checking out.
i don't know why gay ppl coined the term straight acting...self hatred maybe
i don't use the term at all and i am what u would consider a masculine gay dude
and just because there are feminine gay guys doesn't mean you just jump ship and find try to make a new LABEL for your sexuality...the fact is there are fem gays and mascul. gays but we're all under the same umberella...u may hate it, but the fact is we ALL are still gay and WE ALL still get discriminated against and must stick 2gether
I think most gay men are just masculine acting. The reason why many effeminate guys find it easier to come out is because in their case they are already sort of half out given that people think fems are gays. A masculine guy has more problems because he doesn't meet the gay stereotype that the easily identified fems have created.
@Patrick93001 I don't know if you're straight acting but you're definitely douchebag acting.
Please don't trot out that hateful term "the gay lifestyle". That term belongs in a rant from Fred Phelps or some televangelist.
Second, most fems are not reinforcing any stereotype. They are individuals pursuing their passions and interests. Mind your own business, and stop criticizing other people for pursuing their dreams.
@charonelli Anyone that doesn't agree with how a large portion of gaydom allows themselves to be perceived is labeled douchebag...well,then according to surveys on sexual orientation that would be at least 50% and possibly up to 63% of males.ONLY 38-40% of males identify as totally heterosexual.ONLY 9-12% of males identify as totally homosexual. BOTH are minorities. (to be continued)
@charonelli (continued #2) The demographic in between, comprised of men with varied levels of same-gender-attraction - 50% and when including those men that may think to their discomfort - the gay community is the only choice available, that potential demographic can go up to 60%+. It is them we speak to, the MAJORITY. (to be continued)
@charonelli (continued #3) Hateful term?Google the term - especially "travel and the gay lifestyle"!The first two results proceed to explain there is not just one gay lifestyle, but many.OK, I'll buy that.But every gay site where I have seen the term used when describing gay culture gives the clear appearance of having been co-opted by the community itself,not applied from outside. Indeed, the term IS used abundantly in the gay community. (to be continued)
@charonelli (continued #4) Re: Fems and stereotypes. I believe the distinction between males with feminine (soft) personality types and blatant campy EFFeminate behavior has been adequately discussed elsewhere in this forum. Your comment is the first time I have seen campy behavior presented as a 'passion' or an 'interest'. Those that make high camp their 'dream' should set their sights a little higher. (to be continued)
@charonelli (continued #5) As a homosexual male who-since age 19-spent 28 years IN the gay community and 6 years following in the g0y movement,I am well qualified to express my opinion of those described as my 'gay' peers.What affects ME/how society views ME-when it is skewed by elements contrary to how I express ~myself~-is very much MY business.Homosexual is NOT synonymous with GAY.The former is orientation,the latter refers to behavior.You're 21,your views will change in 32 years.I hope.
You're correct, bro."Straight-acting" is the polar opposite and equally as phony.Most men-with varied degrees of feelings of same-gender-affection have a serious issue with being perceived as gay because the term has morphed to the level that it encompasses far more than just mere sexual orientation.In the public psyche,"masculine gay man"is often an oxymoron.I'm not saying it's 100% true; I'm saying that some behavior from within the community has colored the public's perception.
I approach this by looking at the people that use the term "straight acting". Most of them have a serious issue with being perceived as "gay". The term implies, that your desire is to hide your sexuality. I find it odd that they will rarely, if ever define themselves as a "masculine gay man".
Your reply shows you did no in-depth study of the g0y movement.If you had, you would know that g0y men are not in the closet.If we were in the closet,we wouldn't be aggressively pushing an alternative for heterosexual,bisexual & homosexual men who are sick of the way certain factions drag same-gender-affection into the gutter.Gay has become synonymous with anal sex, effeminate behavior and other aberrations. Keep drinking the kool-aid as all the wrong factions destroy the gay community.
That's funny - because the g0y movement says that "gAys" are the "joke" (It's because they're not laughing with you -but laughing AT you.)
G00GLE g0ys and once in the main website -click the link labeled "NO APOLOGY". Quite enlightening...
Oh -and the one thing I'm sure about the g0y movement: They don't make an appeal to men who are entrenched in the "gAy" community. G0YS is an invitation to men who don't want to be any part of the 'GAY FREAK SHOW". Quite refreshing -actually.
Right. You just continue to delude yourself. What g0y is is a bunch of self loathing tight assed idiots.
It's a good thing they don't try to appeal to people who have actually accepted who they are. They wouldn't get far.
What I get from MOST g0y enthusiasts is a false sense that they know what every gay man is about,. What they are uncomfortable with is the STEREOTYPE that they perceive ALL gay men to be. Dumb, assumptive & just plain WRONG, but enjoy your rub down. DUH!
Stereotypes become stereotypes by the simple fact that - generally speaking - they are largely based on truth. If there is a misperception in the image the gAy community -generally speaking - puts forth, it is up to the gAy community to change those stereotypes. But don't expect the rest of the world to stop pointing them out, simply because you might be one of the exceptions.
Hmmm. You mean like Ted Bundy & John Gacy "accepted who they are"?
What good is self-acceptance when you're an A55-H0LE?
And people who promote & enable those who spread diseases at a rate +5000% higher than any other social demographic - are the picture-children for the A55-H0LE alumni.
They should consider a reunion -but so few are still alive.
OK GymProv, and who are the "we" you speak of?......are you a gay man? What do you know about the gOy movement? Are you a "fudgepacker" gay man? Sounds like your are........not that there's anything wrong with that!
But I think you need to broaden your horizons and look around you.
But there IS plenty wrong with it. It takes 50 acts of oral sex to equal the potential risk of just one act of anal sex. Condoms fail 5% of the time, consistently. That is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette. But the gAy community tells our youth that there is no risk and that safer sex will keep them alive...and if it doesn't, there are always meds that will give them another 30 years of symptom free life. Broaden horizons? It's hard to see around the back of someone's head...
Define SEX? Are you saying that the only GAY SEX=ANAL SEX? And anything else is not sex? There are plenty of ways to express same gender affection intimately and rewardingly without engaging in the act that is +5000% more risky than other sexual acts. If you define Gay Sex as only Anal Sex that's indeed too bad...playing in a sewer pipe isn't my idea of sex, condom or no condom...it's just stupid behavior in this current world.
sexual relations or a sexual coupling, esp. coitus
intimacy is nice, but it isn't sex...hell i have intimacy with women but i wouldn't fuck them...the fact is GAY MAN SEX is more risky then any other sex...just like HETERO SEX is more risky then LESBIAN SEX...but the fact is sex= penetration...intimacy is nice and i would want it when i finally have sex...only 19 years old you see...but still c'mon how are GAY MEN going to have PHYSICALLY sex
@sexfanatic Well, there's oral sex; mutual masturbation, frottage (what can be hotter than being face to face, crotch to crotch, chest to chest?). That sounds far more erotic than looking at the back of someone's head and counting dandruff flakes. LOL. And, after climax, it's a hell of a lot cleaner!
You can consider a penis or a vagina also a sewer pipe. I agree with your comment about anal sex not being the only dish in the m2m sexual menu. Many people enjoy anal sex in part because it comes with all kinds of social norms and it is especially tabooed between men, and even between members of the opposite sex.
the thing that makes of breaks anal sex is hygene..if a lover doesn't wipe or wash their ass, anal can be pretty nasty- but if nice and clean, it can be fun..One should always shower before anal..
@MrFrankenchrist Sure, because we all know that showering washes away all those nasty viruses and pathogens. Does showering also cure torn tissues? Does it cure incontinence later in life? Does it reverse colon and gastro-intestinal difficulties in old age? Does it cure blood problems from untested lubes making their way through absorptive tissue into the bloodstream? The problems associated with anal sex are not ONLY not being 'clean'...that's the LEAST of the problems, repugnant as it is.
You are very very wrong - it shouldn't need explaining. There are people who are gay and describe themselves as straight acting because of self-loathing, but the rest would watch this video and think WTF?
strakha0 4 days ago
There is more homophobia from the 'straight-acting' gay community than from some southern baptist churches. Do you really think all gays can be 'straight acting'? Don't you understand that effeminate men have existed for hundreds of years and not be cause they want to act that way.
phantomsuccour 1 month ago
@phantomsuccour are you fucking kidding me? social behaviour (i.e. fagginess) is NOT innate. sexual behaviour (homosexuality) IS innate; this means that fags acting faggy are not impelled to behave that way. so if, as you write, those fairies do not "want to act that way", then they SHOULD NOT. don't cry 'homophobia' and 'hate crime' when your fairy asses get beaten for being SOCIALLY offensive.
canadaguy666 3 weeks ago
@canadaguy666 You have proved my point EXACTLY!!! That even lgbt (I'm assuming that you are one) can be more homophobic than right wing evangelicals. Do you understand all the factors that determine people's behaviour? What about people that believe they were born into the wrong sex? You may not understand that hormones, genes and one's environment all play a role in determining how they end up behaving.
phantomsuccour 3 weeks ago 2
@canadaguy666 The fact that you believe every gay must be masculine (masculinity is subjective) proves that you are no different from the homophobes that demand that every male like females and every female like males. If you CANNOT get it through your thick skull that people can be different for all sorts of reasons and be accepting, then you are NO different from Rick Santorum and his gang of hateful fundamentalists.
phantomsuccour 3 weeks ago 2
@canadaguy666 Furthermore, given that you seem quite amused by their 'fairy-asses' getting beaten for being 'socially offensive' i.e they do not conform to the norm, I would say that your violent inclinations towards effeminate gays show that some gays are not only homophobic against others, but harbour violent intentions and desires towards them. I would ask you to search within your soul to find out why you are so violent but that would mean you have one.
phantomsuccour 3 weeks ago 2
@phantomsuccour I'm familiar with the bio-psycho-social model, thanks. do you seem to understand that social behaviour (lets just say 'mannerisms') are varied across men, regardless of sexual preference? hetero men can be faggy too, and if they get their asses whooped for being so faggy, it's not a homophobic hate-crime--it's assault! wanna avoid the violence and bullying? stop acting faggy!
canadaguy666 3 weeks ago
@phantomsuccour i don't have a violent disposition, but i lack sorrow for victims of assault who INTENTIONALLY appear feminine. if you get attacked SOLELY for being gay (i.e. by TRUE homophobes, who likely suppress their own latent homosexual inclination), i most certainly will express remorse, even indignation.
canadaguy666 3 weeks ago
@phantomsuccour i'm not sure what you mean when describing masculinity as 'subjective', but i'll agree with you and say that masculinity is conflated with gender, which is subjective, and varies between socities, and within them. does this mean one must conform to gender norms of social behaviour? no, but you would be smart to!
and you're right, i don't have a fucking 'soul', and neither do you! it's gays like YOU who make me ashamed to be a gay man.
canadaguy666 3 weeks ago
@canadaguy666 It's good you have agreed that you ashamed of being gay, I suppose that's what is common among supposedly 'straight-acting' gays that are even more homophobic than Rick Santorum, like yourself. Clearly there is no point in trying to educate an ignorant person with violent inclinations towards effeminate gays who seems particularly proud of his position on this subject. You have gone to prove the point that I made before about some 'straight-acting ' gays.
phantomsuccour 3 weeks ago
I am attracted to effeminate men, i love them but i identify with the masculine side. It really pisses me off when society automatically assumes gay = fem. We all have a need for affiliation and want characters in the media like us.
Frizzurd 4 months ago
I don't mind the word "straight-acting" and "feminine-acting" I mean, from kids were taught gender identity and honestly some gay guys act a little feminine. It's not self-loathing, I consider myself "straight acting" or "masculine", it's just a word. I have no problem with my sexual orientation and I know a lot who don't either. First off, the LGBT community needs to stop fighting with itself over the most mundane of issues. Seriously, fight for something more important, like marriage.
ERAUPRCWA 5 months ago
ok, to each his own.
but some guys like manly men, and some guys like effeminate men.
its about personal preference, not how one views ones own sexuality.
what about the women who think prince or robert pattenson is hot? are they self-loathing their heterosexuality?
or men who fancy amazon women with short hair?
what about lesbians who prefer femmes, even if they are femme themselves?
this is NOT a political issue.
EVERYVERSER 6 months ago
why is it that so called 'straight acting' gay men preach so much hate towards other gays? isn't it ironic that they may want to be treated as equals by the rest of society but insult other gays? Get over it!! Gays are not and never will be the same!! Stop insulting others and for once show you are actually comfortable with who you are, it's pathetic when you try to give excuses.
phantomsuccour 10 months ago
@phantomsuccour I've seen more feminine gay guys preaching hate toward masculine ones just because they are not attracted to their type, just learn to make the difference with PREFERENCE and HATE.
Darkstorma1 1 month ago
@Darkstorma1 I understand the difference between preference and hate, and that's why I criticise 'straight-acting' gays who insult and mock effeminate gays, they are just as homophobic as the evangelical homophobes. Don't you think calling themselves 'straight-acting' proves they are ashamed of being gay? I am NOT criticising masculine gay men that aren't attracted to effeminate gay men.
phantomsuccour 1 month ago
I DON'T LIKE FEMS CAUSE IM GAY N I LIKE MAN!! LMAO!
edwin90044 1 year ago
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Patrick93001 10 months ago
Thank you for your detailed response Goy. However, I disagree with it. Your posts are overflowing with self loathing and self hatred. Even the fact you call it the Goy movement, instead of the gay movement. A term I've never heard before, that suggests personal discomfort with your identity.
You also seem to have a hatred for gay men who are campy. This is social prejudice, and it is as unacceptable as hating people for having brown skin, or for a wearing a Jewish head cap.
charonelli 1 year ago 2
@charonelli
Perhaps you object to the post because you don't understand it.The G0Y[spelled g-zero-y-s]Movement has NOTHING to do with the "GAY Movement".Visit g0ys[dot]org.We are not self-loathing and have NO self-hatred.We love MEN;we celebrate/promote Masculinity.We espouse Brotherhood(not Sisterhood,if you catch my drift).Hatred is a strong word.We simply don't want to be ASSociated with campy men or behaviors we reject.Criticism doesn't equal hate.Too many gays play the victim card.
Patrick93001 10 months ago
Straight ACTING gays are just as annoying as princess ACTING gays and as everybody that has to resort to ACTING instead of being themselves.
Firewalkerbg 1 year ago 3
the exaggerated heterosexuality is simply a part of psychological frame of many gay men - this is visible in so many phenomena- so many homosexual men do not identify themselves as gay or bisexual, or if they do they choose not to tell any one because they like to be perceived as straight, or then, if they do, they say they are straight acting. And then there is the down-low, the "men having sex with men" thing and so on and so forth. So why not accept "straightness" as part of gay identity ?!
przemo23slotwina 1 year ago
I only like masculine gay men.
The fems are not my thing. In a sense I find it silly.
If im a man who likes men why would i be attracted to men
with feminine characteristics. And I am not homophobic, I am not
embarrassed to hold the hand of a man in public, but id feel embarrass to
hold the one of a fem. Perhaps you can call me homophobic but im just don
dig the stereotypes that society let upon. Im 18 and I think is time for a change.
p.s i hate Madonna.
AlexSmash100 1 year ago
Try saying straight-acting with a dick in your mouth.. lol
Paulsirius1 1 year ago
i totally agree. ive always thought the phrase "straight-acting" sounds homophobic, and implies your "acting" or pretending to be something your not.
mikejr41387 1 year ago
I'm a so-called "straight acting" gay man and I personally hate the term, just like I hate the term 'metrosexual'. I think it sets a standard as to how straight people and gay people should act.
BigBlueLion 1 year ago
It's okay to embrace the identity you know yourself to be, then why isn' t it okay for Gay MEN to embrace their masculinity instead of having an alliance of any sort with effeminate acting Gay males of the cocks in frocks jerry springer freak show? Here is where being a fake wannabee comes into play...a Gay white male acting like a self confident angry black woman "You Go Girl". Fake and phony people "the femish", get off this martyr status now! Under No Rainbow Here with Me!
Jharen1231 1 year ago
@Jharen1231 Please learn the difference between gay and transgender....And I'm a straight woman! I'm also biracial/black and never once in my life have I ever said "You go girl". You truly love stereotypes don't you? You are obviously a bigoted, close-minded hater. I will pray for you!
goodgirlkay 3 months ago
I am here to break all stereo-types from the gay side and the straight side. I am here to get you so quizzed out about what is straight and gay that you will shit rainbow flowers and beer chunks from your lily white ass!
Phoenixkidd 1 year ago
Who cares what you call them? They're all gay.
MyPersonalVendetta 1 year ago
Invented Term: Straight Acting. I disagree with this invented term and get highly defensive against those that call it "internal homophobia" and misrepresent my biologically born gender. Queen-ing out is more of an act and gives the community the jerry springer flavor of a human community freak show and a joke! Would you take someone seriously to say we are normal just like you are as they protest in mass drove of cocks in frocks? Seriously.
Jharen1231 1 year ago
@Jharen1231 Bravo! You might fit in quite easily and nicely with the g0ys! Check us out at g0ys[dot]{org} we also have a YT page - g0ytube - as well as many highly active Yahoo discussion groups. You may write me back privately for more info if this interests you!
Patrick93001 1 year ago
personally i believe gay guys should act more manly. i could be wrong BUT maybe lots of people dont like and even hate gay guys and lesbian who try to act like the opposite sex. except for the bible thumbers they hate almost everything -.-
well feminine guys are usually the joke from there masculine and straight frineds and maybe 50% embarassed to be seen with them.
sunnyhearts 1 year ago
flamers suck ass!
kfag101 1 year ago 8
We live in a fast world. What's the fastest way to say you wouldn't know I'm gay till I told you?
To say masculine may mean hyper-male... a Schwartzenegger or John Wayne type. I don't have big muscles or spit on the ground or use the f word in every sentence. I'm like an average straight guy in my mannerisms and interests except I'm gay.
Yet I do find "white-acting" to be offensive. To speak unaccented English or do well in school isn't "white" so maybe I'm wrong about straight-acting.
303Gregg 2 years ago
"so maybe I'm wrong about straight-acting." you damn right you're wrong
XforeverlongingX 2 years ago
I feel that staight acting is a flawed term that even I have used in the past to describe my masculinity. I think it's really just a matter of masculinity vrs femininity and the in-between.
I agree with the 2nd caller who pointed out that this can apply to race as well, and a person with a typical white American accent or speech pattern is called "white" acting, or a white person who sounds African American would be accused of trying to sound black. Really it's just stereotypes we all have.
Kasak1984 2 years ago
oh snap
turnuon79 2 years ago
The 1st caller has problems with his own gay self. I used to say I like str8-acting men. but i realized its that kinda language that made me hide for 30 years and 1 wife later. ... The point is its ok to have preferences, but think about about using another term. straight-acting aint all that much fun anyway,
louisvillebearcub 2 years ago
im not self loathing
the reason i dont really like the "flamer" type feminine gay guys is because they just annoy me. they are loud and overbearing (in my personal experience)
so its more of a personality clash than a self loathing issue.
i prefer a more masculine person.
oskar092 2 years ago 7
its only an idea in your head. There are cute and funny feminine gays.
itsAndrogyn 2 years ago
I kind of disagree with this. I believe that sexuality does not effect perosnality. I'm gay but that doesn't mean I want to pick out shoes for girls, watch sex and the city and bathe in all that is pink. You could say I'm "straight-acting" or "masculine" but if I call myself "straight-acting" that does not mean in the slightest that I am denying my own sexuality (hence my main point at the beginning). :D
greengreen31 2 years ago
I agree, it's refreshing to see more guys with this viewpoint.
Your perceived sexuality does not and should not define your behaviors.
RyanReborn 2 years ago
I have seen ordinary masculine gays be turned in matters of week into flaming queens. How? Peer pressure by other effeminate men can wreak havoc on masculinity.
viastesal 2 years ago 3
@viastesal So true. Try pushing this perspective in a gay crowd or a very 'male' oriented gay site like realjock[dot]{com} and you'll be called homophobic, self-loathing, hateful, hypocritical.You'll be branded a traitor.Until gays themselves realize that it is only they that can change the public perception that afflicts them, they will forever be fighting an uphill battle.G0ys choose to distance themselves from a group that has declared themselves anathema by their very nature. g0ys[dot]{org}
Patrick93001 1 year ago
I feel the same way only for the dykes. I loathe bulldykes. I like feminine women
kfag101 2 years ago
Bravo! It's sad that they will just never understand the true source of the damage done to the gay community...it's not the ones that successfully integrate into society as a whole. It's the ones that present themselves as a circus act or conduct themselves as if life is one big 1980's bathhouse that set back gay progress by leaps and bounds.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 2
exactly. So many gays and lesbians are stuck in gender roles. For example bull dykes treat women worse than any steretypical wife beater man
kfag101 2 years ago
"or conduct themselves as if life is one big 1980's bathhouse that set back gay progress by leaps and bounds. "
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH FEM GAY MEN?
...nothing
Fem. gay men no this...as long as you aren't self destructive, self counter productive, and endangering ppl around you...you are OKAY IN MY BOOK
sexfanatic 2 years ago
There are a lot less looksist and condemning gays than there used to be, lots of them died off. They still try to make hate and judgement of other gay men by looks as the determining factor in human worth - but funny that they don't judge straights that way!!!
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
Not "looks". BEHAVIOR! And yes, we do judge heterosexuals by the same standards.
g0yTube 2 years ago
Ha ha, g0ys ftw!
Also, Patrick is right. Same sex attraction and affecting psuedo female characteristics are not the same thing.
Cross dressing may be a respectable occupation but that doesn't change the fact that it has nothing to do with sexual orientation. =/
RyanReborn 2 years ago 5
A movement of one - nutball. IS this Michael Savage masquerading again? Someone in Sally Kern's office tried that but my web person figured out it was them. You can't go to England Michael but I can...
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
You've pissed me off Patrick. I am going to do everything I can to make your fears come true baby.
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
Are you going to hit me with your purse?
g0yTube 2 years ago
Wouldn't it be more appropriate for me to grind a high heel into your eye socket?
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
Please address your comments to the board as a whole. If you wish to correspond privately, please remove the email restriction on your profile. Further exchanges more suitable for private conversation and of no interest to the board or relevance to the topic made here in public will be ignored.
Patrick93001 2 years ago
I think 'straight-acting gay man' is a great term because it upsetts those who would like to see gay men as a category distinct from men as such. Some people just cannot accept that there can simply be no distinctive feature or style to tell gay from straight. It seems to me that some gay men feel this pressure that they should display or accept their alleged 'gayness' while they would just feel most comfortable being perceived as 'straight'.
przemo23slotwina 2 years ago
There are PLENTY of distinctive features and styles in the gAy lifestyle to tell gay from straight...that is what creates the stereotypes. For your statement to be more accurate, the aberrations would have to be so remote, that stereotypes would fade away and be recognized as a fluke. How come they are not - and increasingly within the gay community as men get 'fed up'? And how come so many guys are dissatisfied with the public perception of the gay community, justified or not? You know why...
g0yTube 2 years ago
I think the "GAY" group is missing the origin of the term "STRAIGHT ACTING". The TERM arose because the "GAY" community decided to make "FEM" the "GAY PERSONNA". Ass as result of the OVERALL GAY MALE COMMUNITY adopting "B1tch-Speak" as their un/official accent, --men who don't identify with that camp use the term "STRAIGHT ACTING" to describe a masculine set of traits that are the antithesis of "5th grade girly mannerisms".
Another group is called "g0y" -spelled w. a zer0. G00GLE 'em (I dare ya)
g0ysorg 2 years ago 3
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LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
''The good' died young because they were still living like it was the pre-80's and pretending AIDS didn't exist. Men that are coming to discover g0ys are staying healthy because we don't play in sewer pipes.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 4
A turnoff for you sir? Well hip hip hooray for your pathetic and ultracheap climax! I don't recall offering you sex in the first place, cuckold!
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
You "straightacting" types have some issues. I don't hate you actually, I kiind of feel sorry for you. Its just that so many guys have your attitude and it prevents us from uniting as a community.
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
But WE, masculine same-gender-attracted men - who are that way naturally, (the term straight-acting - a put-on - is stupid) - men who reject the gAy lifestyle DON'T WANT TO be 'united' with the likes of LaReina (drag queen). Your profile page shows you have some noble ideals, but your public presentation of yourself lends to you not being taken seriously.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 5
The whole point of being in a dress is to expose gays who think like you do.
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
You don't have to 'expose' me.I'll do it for you & freely admit it. I support g0ys.We are sick of being ASSociated with the butt pounders,drag queens and other factions that have NOTHING to do with same-gender-affection,male bonding,masculine identity,brotherhood & camaraderie.We're about sexual responsibility,moral & spiritual(not necessarily 'religious')strength.We reject anonymous sexual hook-ups and promote Friendship First.Concepts that are largely lost or overshadowed by crap in gAydom.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 5
So you speak for all gay people? I was finally accused of that and I said I let them make their own mistakes. Patrick you must be a Log Cabiner or think that clothes make a person do crazy things. Its insulting for you to insinuate that only certain gays named by YOU don't have unprotected sex... that only the ones YOU name are nice peole... this is an example of a Log Cabiner people, the reason why we made Stadtlander withdraw from the race for Atlanta City Council.
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
"who think like you do"?
I dunno. Most of the guys I've seen wearing dresses have come across as not thinking at all.
They just "feel like doing that".
Join the circus. At least people pay to see the freak show there & expect to see what you showcase. It's all about CONTEXT...
g0ysorg 2 years ago 3
@LaReinaDelBarrio I think that you people who think that "straight acting guys" are bad have an issue, some people have a different personality and taste, it has nothing to do to unite or not has a communitiy, your type whines that masculine men are judgemental but you always bring up crap like self-loathing. gay men, just like straight ones comes in all type, get over it
Darkstorma1 1 month ago
Also, straights don't advertise themselves as "gay-acting" to lure women - why should we say that to attract men? Its ridiculous - non one should be putting chains on themselves while the world tries to do it as well.
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
Because attracting men should have nothing to do with acting like a woman, or "fem". The distinction is made and needs to be made because, clearly, gay men have a reputation for being effeminate.
If by "chains" you mean being responsible for the effects of your own actions then it looks like it's time for you to grow up.
RyanReborn 2 years ago 7
If you're gay and think that I do drag to attract men, you are totally in left field. Gay men are not attracted to drag queens, they tolerate us. We do what we do for ourselves, not the gay community as a whole, because if we did do something that would bring us all our rights, the gays would steal the credit from us!!!
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
About gay men tolerating drag queens...d.q's at Stonewall don't get the credit. Google (or Wikipedia) Mattachine Society (1950), Society for Human Rights (1924) and Emma Goldman (1923). Those are the roots of the rights movement, not a bunch of rioting drag queens at Stonewall. If you are fighting for your own acceptance, than don't demand to be included in the gay community. This is one homosexual G0Y man who does not 'tolerate' (the behavior of) drag queens and never will.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 3
Sometimes I wish that all gay men were effeminate and could not act macho so that the reverse homophobia that has ruined the LGBT world would disappear. But they would still create a caste system, its just how they are.
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
The problem is much bigger. The community of same-gender-attracted men comprises much more than just the "gay" community. Only 40% of men identify as totally heterosexual. The outrageous public displays by a minority element is responsible for many men not able to deal with their feelings for fear of being lumped in with the fags, queens & butt-pirates. 48-50% of SGA men in various levels, outside the gay community, are stereotyped, thanks to the extremists. That's the cause of 'homophobia'.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 5
I would never answer a personal ad where the guy describes himself as "normal" because the only thing THAT is based on is religious hatred...
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
There's no logical connection in your statement and you should know that.
Yeah, some fundamentalists have the Bible all wrong, especially when they ignore the story of David & Jonathan. "A love surpassing even the love of women" Their bond "found favor in God's eyes'. Also, spirituality and religion are vastly different concepts. Because someone has a code by which they live their life does not make them a religious bigot or a zealot.
g0yTube 2 years ago
They don't need a religious code to attack anyone different or to kill Matthew Shepard.
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
Don't be ridiculous and try to cloud the discussion. The guys that killed Matthew Shepard were NOT G0y and there's not a G0y on the planet that would condone what they did. This is another offensive factor with you queens. You all are always so melodramatic and off track with your flighty rhetoric. Stick to the topic.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 6
this creap is why the world hates gays cuz this freak wants to act like a bitch
willnotforgetever 2 years ago
good all femms should be bashed
willnotforgetever 2 years ago
No, they don't need to be bashed. The gay community just needs to stop including every oddball, freak and fetish under the gay umbrella simply because nobody else wants them. Same gender affection is about MEN and masculine respect - not drag queens, not pseudo-women, not irresponsible or offensive sexual behavior. The tragedy is that the gay community is beyond repair...so guys that are fed up should explore that movement I mentioned elsewhere here...
Patrick93001 2 years ago 6
Patrick is begging the gay people of America to be homophobic to each other. What fuckhead.
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
No, g0ys are not speaking to the gay community.We are speaking to those men who are dissatisfied with the direction the gay community has been led by the aberrant fetishists and the pro-anal liars.G0ys also are not a sub-community of gaysWe, as hetero-, bi- and homosexual men far out number the small faction of gAys that feel threatened by our viewpoint of pro-responsibility & masculine respect.If you don't want to feel rejected, change the offensive behaviors that permeate the gAy lifestyle.
g0yTube 2 years ago
i am proud to be a strairt acting gay man not some sissy bitch and all femms and drag qweens and creaps with a twang to their voice shoud die strairt acting gay pride death to femms
willnotforgetever 2 years ago
But why must your behavior be 'an act', which you imply by straight-acting. Why not just get right to the plain truth. You are a masculine man, not someone who is faking their behavior to be accepted. If your masculine behavior is natural, and not an act, then there is no need to act to 'fit in'. I'm supporting your point, but think you should just abandon anything that implies 'acting'. Do you see what I'm saying?
Patrick93001 2 years ago 5
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Kinglsey6605 3 years ago
You can be masculine and gay. It doesn't need to be straight acting. Straight men don't have a patent on masculinity.
secondcrimson 3 years ago 9
Accept my sexuality, not a gay gene. Shut up last caller you lame bastard. Get a fucking life.
jlenaghan 3 years ago
I do not think gays who identify with straight guys are "gay bashing." The reason being is because many gay guys do not want to affiliate with the gay community because of the feminine characteristics. I am one of those guys who hate the way the gay community has become, particularly blaming their sexuality on a "gay gene." I accept it but I don't have to act like a bitch man!
jlenaghan 3 years ago 5
What is a 'feminine characteristic'? Though I do agree with you on the whole 'gay gene' quandary. I find the whole 'I can't help it' argument problematic, because, though it COULD lead to more tolerance, it could also lead to 'I know you can't. Let's eliminate you or incarcerate you for your own good'.
Timmybear 2 years ago
I'm sorry you hate yourself Jienaghan - add me to that list, I hate ya too...
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
Whats your problem? I can have an opinion right. Act whichever way you want to. You don't know me so you can't hate me, only what I say. I hate idiots though.
jlenaghan 2 years ago
You say something Hitler would say then I don't need to know more to hate you, jlenaghan
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
And what also bugs me is how gay men get so up in arms about this preference issue. They don't mind being themselves but when these straight acting or even "masculine" words pop up, then all of the sudden they are ready to defend their "masculinity" or lack thereof. We're sellouts or we're creating homophobia in the community. Shut the F*** up with that nonsense. Another case of diversity not being acceptable unless its their kind of diversity.
AirplaneRadio 3 years ago 4
This reeks of political correctness. Leave it to most gay people to jump all over "words" incessantly. I'm one of those politically incorrect homos so seeing straight acting is hardly "offensive". And you can easily say I have issues because to be honest, when I found out I was a homo, I was perplexed on the percentage of gay men who act or sound like women. It's like, "What is the point?" I might as well date women again, not some bad carbon copy of them with different body parts.
AirplaneRadio 3 years ago 4
We go through all the trouble of coming out, so we can be ourselves. Why then does so much of our own community want us to jump into another box? I don't want to be labeled or forced into a "scene". I don't want to act fem or masc. I am me, period. It's one thing to have main stream society label us, they are largely ignorant of our culture, but lets not label ourselves.
SkinsDeep 3 years ago
G0ys are not 'part' of the gAy community. We are OUTSIDE the gAy community and only speak to those men who don't feel comfortable being represented by all the fetishes and factions under the gAy umbrella that have nothing to to with the straightforward issue of same gender affection. Why must the gAy community be comprised of every stray fetish and freak that almost nobody want to be ASSociated with or represented in every pathetic gay parade by?
g0yTube 2 years ago 3
No One gay or straight want's to be called a FAGET so they use terms like "StraightActing" because to them it sounds easier.
erahs1 3 years ago
It's "faggot", not "FAGET", and "wants", not "want's". I have no problem with being called faggot - it's fun when someone says that, I guess expecting me to curl up and die or be 'put in my place', and, instead, I say 'duh' or 'thank you' or 'how perceptive of you' (not that it happens very often - when I first came out, some twit said I wasn't gay, because I didn't read on his gaydar and his was NEVER wrong. He said: 'Prove it'. I said: 'Not if you were the last man on earth'.)
Timmybear 2 years ago
It's just funny.... I predict that 20-40 years from now once gay relationships become even more accepted, you will probably see a rise in pairing of masculine and fem guys.
Does anyone else feel that way? The reason why guys like to label themselves as, "straight-acting" is because they do not like to be ridiculed from outside society.
I find myself in the very middle, not either, just normal. Even I find it to be uncomfortable around a flaming queen though, haha! I'm working on it!
kuorakuora 3 years ago 2
Guys (like me) who use this term to describe themselves are doing so, not because they have a serious issue with being gay, but more that they cannot identify with the gay stereotype. I prefer guys, but would rather die than listen to pop, wear pink, or let my wrist go limp. In those respects, I can indentify with stright guys, there is no acting going on, I don't have an issue with the fact that I'm gay. Being gay is about having a preferance to the same sex, not about how you act.
Dobbo595 3 years ago 12
dobb... i feel you on thiz one.
sohoodnikka 3 years ago 4
Perhaps you would identify with the g0y movement. Reply to me privately and I can give you some links or G00gle the term g0ys - spelled g-zer0-y-s. Visit the ORG site, the main website for the movement.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 4
I looked at your site, a g0y is a bisexual... and what about gays who are gay but don't like anal sex in either position? Are they less gay?
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
A g0y is not ONLY bisexual. There are many g0ys who are heterosexual and many that are homosexual as well. G0ys also reject anal sex, regardless of sexual orientation, opting for other, less dangerous, less degrading and less decadent expressions of same-gender-affection. So, you looked at the site, but you've shown you really didn't study it, because otherwise you'd know the details of g0ys. By the way, if you are going to expect an adequate response, why do you restrict private messages?
Patrick93001 2 years ago 6
...and it's not MY site...it's the site of a movement that I am involved with and support, but I'm not the founder. Just one of a growing number who are sick of the failing social experiment called the gAy lifestyle.
g0yTube 2 years ago
I'd say it this way: Being ~homosexual~ is about having a preference to the same gender...being gAy implies having an affinity to the gAy lifestyle, which has become clouded and distorted by many factions that have nothing to do with same gender affection and more to do with a wide range of fetishes and their practitioners who demand society accept their behaviors unconditionally. "Homosexual" and "gAy" are not necessarily synonymous anymore.
g0yTube 2 years ago 2
Changing the capitalization or adding numbers in the middle of words is just plain silly
Dobbo595 2 years ago
If you visit the g0y site and go to the page: G0Y?Eh? and scroll down to the section "Why 'G0Y' -- spelled with a ZER0?" there is a very clear and concise statement about how the name came into being. It wasn't just an arbitrary whim behind the name.I urge you to explore the statements before making flippant comments.Speaking of 'silly', there's nothing more nonsensical than a community using an umbrella term GAY to describe behaviors and fetishes that has zip to do with same gender affections.
g0yTube 2 years ago
I hear what you are trying to say, and there are lots on the g0y site that I can relate to, but it seems that the g0y movement is unhappy with the gay label (as a result of the stereotyping) and as a result wants to create a new trendier label for themselves.
Dobbo595 2 years ago
I think the issue is with the fact that people need to label people, and I cant see it helping if those who have a complex about being labelled want to feel better about it by creating another label.
Dobbo595 2 years ago
I have a belief that homosexual guys fall into 2 categories though. The majority (say 90%) are genetically homosexual, and the minority (say 10%) are homosexual as a result of environmental influences or psyche. This can never be black or white, and there will always be shades of gray, but I reckon of the 90% you would know they were homo either to look at or listen to.
Dobbo595 2 years ago
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Dobbo595 2 years ago
Even if that were the case, what would be wrong with that? I'm posting for others benefit here - I've enjoyed out PVT's. When the term "GAY" no longer is an accurate label for a large majority males who are attracted to males, what is wrong with providing an alternative - not only name, but entire philosophy with a strong set of foundational core values. Remember, only 40% of men identify as totally heterosexual. That leaves a prime demographic of 50-60% of guys who might more accurately be g0y.
g0yTube 2 years ago
If you're putting a man's penis in your mouth, I don't think that's "straight-acting".
FreedomUSA1 3 years ago 7
rofl
seanhive 3 years ago 4
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pikespeaklosangeles 2 years ago
um...i'm naturally a fem. i'm not acting. personally im tired of our own people bashing fems. (were to sterotypical) and some other bul*^$#. be that as it may were still all aprt of the gay family. just different tastes. (besides theres loads of guys who lony like fems...i should know!)
pepercat17 3 years ago
That's because WE are not 'your' people. You imply we have no say in the matter. If there are guys who wish to be around you, love you, and celebrate you, more power to you...just don't claim to represent an entire community. Live your life, out of the limelight, and quit giving the impression that the minority represents the majority. G00gle G0ys.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 4
If you have a soft/feminine personality,that is one thing & acceptable.If you are deliberately campy,present effeminate behavior that is 'an act'-that is different.If a guy engages in butt-sex,is effeminate or hyper-masculine(campy either way)then I will not be part of that same 'gay family' as them.I'm sick of the all-inclusive BS and the unsafe/degrading behavior that has nothing to do with same-gender-affection, male bonding, brotherhood & camaraderie and has put the community in the sewer.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 7
Oh, and one more thing: If anyone's "acting," it's the fem guys, not the naturally masculine men. It has nothing to do with remorse for one's sexuality. But you're right with one point: "straight acting" is an unfortunate term.
worldismyashtray 3 years ago 6
The only time femme guys "act" is at work! Or around their family!
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
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pikespeaklosangeles 2 years ago
Who are you to ask a random caller, who didn't know the first caller -- as you didn't -- if he thinks the first caller had an issue with his orientation? Just as you were in no position to ask that question, the second caller was in no position to give an answer that had any true relevance. Just because you're not straight doesn't mean your line of questioning shouldn't be.
worldismyashtray 3 years ago
so when u say straight acting u must be implying that gay acting is femine while str8 acting is manly... that idiot is only making it harder to break the gay stereotype
sexfanatic 3 years ago 4
The ones that perpetuate the stereotypes are the ones who act in a stereotypical manner, making it harder to break the stereotypes. If the gay community would stop defending the freaks and those that drag the community into the gutter, all same-gender-attracted men would be better off.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 7
i think if someone wants to drag let them, but to use termology like "straight acting" and "gay acting" is just dumb
and as for those who perpetuate the gay stereotype...that's fine, but to label the gay community as a whole based off that one person's mannerism is just absurd and judgemental...don't blame the queen blame the statistically hater
sexfanatic 2 years ago
Nobody's targeting the gay community as a whole...that's what the people that scream homophobia just don't understand. If the comments don't apply to a certain gay, then they need not feel targeted. It's like the old saying 'If the shoe fits, wear it'. If a guy isn't acting like a queen or bringing shame on the community, then he should not feel like he's the subject of labeling. It's very easy to understand.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 5
i have seen homophobia...when homophobes use words like fag and queen the last thing they are thinking of is "...except the straight acting gays they're cool with us'
homophobes hate all gays...and all same sex couplings/desires/lusting/intimacy etc...they don't care if you are STRAIGHT ACTING.
sexfanatic 2 years ago
Can you think of any other logical reason why some gays thought there was aneed to coin the term 'straight acting'. Uh yeah, maybe it WAS because of the stereotypical perception that many guys in the gay lifestyle - not the homosexual community - ARE effeminate behaving. Or at least some are so visibly so that it has created a skewed view, even so that masculine gays need to create a new label. The fems ARE reinforcing the stereotype...there's no way around that fact...
Patrick93001 2 years ago 14
This is interesting. I agree on some level, there are people who are walking stereotypes. But some are not--they are just feminine.
So what would you like those fems to do? Change the way they act? Jump off a cliff? What.
pikespeaklosangeles 2 years ago
No. We don't advocate anything. We aren't speaking to them. We present our views for the benefit of those guys who agree with us, to inform them of the fact that there IS an alternative. Gays can do whatever they want, but if anyone doesn't identify with the stereotypical gAy lifestyle but still are attracted to men, without all the baggage, then we are an alternative worth checking out.
g0yTube 2 years ago
I agree. Many straight men are very very effeminate, also many club gays.
Whatever your twist, there is a man out there for you.
viastesal 2 years ago
i don't know why gay ppl coined the term straight acting...self hatred maybe
i don't use the term at all and i am what u would consider a masculine gay dude
and just because there are feminine gay guys doesn't mean you just jump ship and find try to make a new LABEL for your sexuality...the fact is there are fem gays and mascul. gays but we're all under the same umberella...u may hate it, but the fact is we ALL are still gay and WE ALL still get discriminated against and must stick 2gether
sexfanatic 2 years ago
I think most gay men are just masculine acting. The reason why many effeminate guys find it easier to come out is because in their case they are already sort of half out given that people think fems are gays. A masculine guy has more problems because he doesn't meet the gay stereotype that the easily identified fems have created.
viastesal 2 years ago 6
real true ,you should tell thios to masculine gays,becouse they dont know this about themselves!
itsAndrogyn 2 years ago
i agree
BLUECHET 2 years ago
@Patrick93001 I don't know if you're straight acting but you're definitely douchebag acting.
Please don't trot out that hateful term "the gay lifestyle". That term belongs in a rant from Fred Phelps or some televangelist.
Second, most fems are not reinforcing any stereotype. They are individuals pursuing their passions and interests. Mind your own business, and stop criticizing other people for pursuing their dreams.
charonelli 1 year ago
@charonelli Anyone that doesn't agree with how a large portion of gaydom allows themselves to be perceived is labeled douchebag...well,then according to surveys on sexual orientation that would be at least 50% and possibly up to 63% of males.ONLY 38-40% of males identify as totally heterosexual.ONLY 9-12% of males identify as totally homosexual. BOTH are minorities. (to be continued)
g0yTube 1 year ago
@charonelli (continued #2) The demographic in between, comprised of men with varied levels of same-gender-attraction - 50% and when including those men that may think to their discomfort - the gay community is the only choice available, that potential demographic can go up to 60%+. It is them we speak to, the MAJORITY. (to be continued)
g0yTube 1 year ago
@charonelli (continued #3) Hateful term?Google the term - especially "travel and the gay lifestyle"!The first two results proceed to explain there is not just one gay lifestyle, but many.OK, I'll buy that.But every gay site where I have seen the term used when describing gay culture gives the clear appearance of having been co-opted by the community itself,not applied from outside. Indeed, the term IS used abundantly in the gay community. (to be continued)
g0yTube 1 year ago
@charonelli (continued #4) Re: Fems and stereotypes. I believe the distinction between males with feminine (soft) personality types and blatant campy EFFeminate behavior has been adequately discussed elsewhere in this forum. Your comment is the first time I have seen campy behavior presented as a 'passion' or an 'interest'. Those that make high camp their 'dream' should set their sights a little higher. (to be continued)
g0yTube 1 year ago
@charonelli (continued #5) As a homosexual male who-since age 19-spent 28 years IN the gay community and 6 years following in the g0y movement,I am well qualified to express my opinion of those described as my 'gay' peers.What affects ME/how society views ME-when it is skewed by elements contrary to how I express ~myself~-is very much MY business.Homosexual is NOT synonymous with GAY.The former is orientation,the latter refers to behavior.You're 21,your views will change in 32 years.I hope.
g0yTube 1 year ago
@Patrick93001 well
gordonjoe1 10 months ago
@gordonjoe1
You're correct, bro."Straight-acting" is the polar opposite and equally as phony.Most men-with varied degrees of feelings of same-gender-affection have a serious issue with being perceived as gay because the term has morphed to the level that it encompasses far more than just mere sexual orientation.In the public psyche,"masculine gay man"is often an oxymoron.I'm not saying it's 100% true; I'm saying that some behavior from within the community has colored the public's perception.
Patrick93001 10 months ago
I approach this by looking at the people that use the term "straight acting". Most of them have a serious issue with being perceived as "gay". The term implies, that your desire is to hide your sexuality. I find it odd that they will rarely, if ever define themselves as a "masculine gay man".
GymProv 3 years ago 4
How about just defining themselves as 'a man'. Gays are but a small faction of the entire same-gender-attracted male population (G00gle g0ys).
Patrick93001 2 years ago 3
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Yes, Patrick, we call the rest CLOSET CASES. The G0y movement is a joke.
GymProv 2 years ago
Your reply shows you did no in-depth study of the g0y movement.If you had, you would know that g0y men are not in the closet.If we were in the closet,we wouldn't be aggressively pushing an alternative for heterosexual,bisexual & homosexual men who are sick of the way certain factions drag same-gender-affection into the gutter.Gay has become synonymous with anal sex, effeminate behavior and other aberrations. Keep drinking the kool-aid as all the wrong factions destroy the gay community.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 5
That's funny - because the g0y movement says that "gAys" are the "joke" (It's because they're not laughing with you -but laughing AT you.)
G00GLE g0ys and once in the main website -click the link labeled "NO APOLOGY". Quite enlightening...
Oh -and the one thing I'm sure about the g0y movement: They don't make an appeal to men who are entrenched in the "gAy" community. G0YS is an invitation to men who don't want to be any part of the 'GAY FREAK SHOW". Quite refreshing -actually.
g0ysorg 2 years ago 9
Right. You just continue to delude yourself. What g0y is is a bunch of self loathing tight assed idiots.
It's a good thing they don't try to appeal to people who have actually accepted who they are. They wouldn't get far.
What I get from MOST g0y enthusiasts is a false sense that they know what every gay man is about,. What they are uncomfortable with is the STEREOTYPE that they perceive ALL gay men to be. Dumb, assumptive & just plain WRONG, but enjoy your rub down. DUH!
GymProv 2 years ago
Stereotypes become stereotypes by the simple fact that - generally speaking - they are largely based on truth. If there is a misperception in the image the gAy community -generally speaking - puts forth, it is up to the gAy community to change those stereotypes. But don't expect the rest of the world to stop pointing them out, simply because you might be one of the exceptions.
g0yTube 2 years ago 4
"Accepted who they are"?
Hmmm. You mean like Ted Bundy & John Gacy "accepted who they are"?
What good is self-acceptance when you're an A55-H0LE?
And people who promote & enable those who spread diseases at a rate +5000% higher than any other social demographic - are the picture-children for the A55-H0LE alumni.
They should consider a reunion -but so few are still alive.
g0ysorg 2 years ago 6
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You're a fucking moron. I'm done here. Have a nice life.
You do nothing more than PROOF what self loathing idiots your "movement" attracts.
GymProv 2 years ago
OK GymProv, and who are the "we" you speak of?......are you a gay man? What do you know about the gOy movement? Are you a "fudgepacker" gay man? Sounds like your are........not that there's anything wrong with that!
But I think you need to broaden your horizons and look around you.
triode1 2 years ago 4
"fudgepacker"? I rest my case! MORON!
GymProv 2 years ago
Whoa! Someone struck a nerve!? A little sensitive GymProv, are we? You haven't presented a case to rest yet...;-)
g0yTube 2 years ago
But there IS plenty wrong with it. It takes 50 acts of oral sex to equal the potential risk of just one act of anal sex. Condoms fail 5% of the time, consistently. That is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette. But the gAy community tells our youth that there is no risk and that safer sex will keep them alive...and if it doesn't, there are always meds that will give them another 30 years of symptom free life. Broaden horizons? It's hard to see around the back of someone's head...
g0yTube 2 years ago
so what do you suggest gay dudes then...NOT HAVE SEX?
sexfanatic 2 years ago
Define SEX? Are you saying that the only GAY SEX=ANAL SEX? And anything else is not sex? There are plenty of ways to express same gender affection intimately and rewardingly without engaging in the act that is +5000% more risky than other sexual acts. If you define Gay Sex as only Anal Sex that's indeed too bad...playing in a sewer pipe isn't my idea of sex, condom or no condom...it's just stupid behavior in this current world.
Patrick93001 2 years ago 5
dictionary com defines intercourse as:
sexual relations or a sexual coupling, esp. coitus
intimacy is nice, but it isn't sex...hell i have intimacy with women but i wouldn't fuck them...the fact is GAY MAN SEX is more risky then any other sex...just like HETERO SEX is more risky then LESBIAN SEX...but the fact is sex= penetration...intimacy is nice and i would want it when i finally have sex...only 19 years old you see...but still c'mon how are GAY MEN going to have PHYSICALLY sex
sexfanatic 2 years ago
@sexfanatic Well, there's oral sex; mutual masturbation, frottage (what can be hotter than being face to face, crotch to crotch, chest to chest?). That sounds far more erotic than looking at the back of someone's head and counting dandruff flakes. LOL. And, after climax, it's a hell of a lot cleaner!
Patrick93001 1 year ago
You can consider a penis or a vagina also a sewer pipe. I agree with your comment about anal sex not being the only dish in the m2m sexual menu. Many people enjoy anal sex in part because it comes with all kinds of social norms and it is especially tabooed between men, and even between members of the opposite sex.
viastesal 2 years ago
the thing that makes of breaks anal sex is hygene..if a lover doesn't wipe or wash their ass, anal can be pretty nasty- but if nice and clean, it can be fun..One should always shower before anal..
MrFrankenchrist 2 years ago
@MrFrankenchrist Sure, because we all know that showering washes away all those nasty viruses and pathogens. Does showering also cure torn tissues? Does it cure incontinence later in life? Does it reverse colon and gastro-intestinal difficulties in old age? Does it cure blood problems from untested lubes making their way through absorptive tissue into the bloodstream? The problems associated with anal sex are not ONLY not being 'clean'...that's the LEAST of the problems, repugnant as it is.
Patrick93001 10 months ago